lost-ark-discussions

[obtuse oyster]

Thinks there’s more than 6

[flat quest]

Is maint tomorrow?

[obtuse oyster]

Gold/fusion/silver/red and blues/qaulity taps/fused taps/bracelets/shards/leaps

[swift magnet]

i can wait xD

if i dont even use the gold until valk is released then the express isnt the problem xD

[ancient oasis]

well then hopefully its the same

[swift magnet]

just expect floor 30 and all gucci xD cant be disappointed xD

[ancient oasis]

someone said for the 1680 loot table the silver and free honing taps are removed

[slender sky]

i wanna get 5-6 chars to t4 its a pain every day to resist spending gold

[obtuse oyster]

We won’t know till we get it cause they’re basing it off CN datamine

[slender sky]

should be, if you have saved a lot of boxes some t3 ah can further lower the price

[ancient oasis]

yea my plan was actually to buy the north vern powerpass for 1100 RC to save more t3 mats in the 1585-1600 window to do some AH in t3

[slender sky]

yea i think like 40-60 will be like 70% of the time

[swift magnet]

i eman its free stuff. i take it all even if its not the jackpot. seems like everything is useful

or nearly everything

[mossy ether]

https://cdn.7tv.app/emote/666f2cdd68c25ecb40473c05/4x.gif

[obtuse oyster]

Not the silver for you

[lethal reef]

lol

[swift magnet]

true haha

[slender sky]

we can both be happy theres no card xp chest

[swift magnet]

[wise pasture]

I win!

[slender sky]

do you meant north kurzan

[charred void]

people think that they get gold from that garbage

you also have a chance to get a relic engraving book from 1680 guardians

[wise pasture]

very funny

[charred void]

look guys, this has this insane droptable

surely not 0,1% droprate right

[lethal reef]

expected rewards btw

[wise pasture]

which 0,1%?

[swift tree]

I have gotten a book from Skolakia

NOT a good one, mind you

[ancient oasis]

yes

[charred void]

and people think they get the fat loot from this 100 floor meme

[ancient oasis]

sorry brain farty

[swift tree]

temporary embarrassed billionaires syndrome

[charred void]

seen 1 streamer get something good, guys, it exists

[swift tree]

Yeah, like Yearning exists

or like how perfecting LOA on steam exists

[worldly hawk]

aren't there some steam achivements that are unobtainable

[swift tree]

even more if you count grandmaster

there's boss rush / ghost ship / broken cube achievements

secret portal ones

[worldly hawk]

[charred void]

isnt there this "hard" cube achievement

which was never obtainable since our release

[swift tree]

hard elite and hard normal cube

only hard version we got at launch (beta had these ones) was Dimensional Hard

[burnt tree]

they will

but it wont be the Abidos

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1351248381426532445/1380574337362432080/l_EP13_GDRAGON_.gif

[swift tree]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-side-eye-staring-gif-24666090

[slender sky]

ill get the abidos on 6 chars every week

frfr

[burnt tree]

Ure standing atop a collapsed ritual when ur best drop from the 100th floor will be free taps that wont tap

[worldly hawk]

[wind dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/mygsgifs-mygsgif-yoongi-yoongi-solo-suga-solo-gif-24573258

[slender sky]

at least that will give me a short burst of dopamine, you couldve also said im getting the silver or accessories

[swift tree]

When they add the prestige shop, surely we'll get the guaranteed taps from those!

[burnt tree]

all im getting is the bend over pose

gonna go nicely with new swimsuits frfr

[swift tree]

surely we get that roster shop alongside mileage

[burnt tree]

shorely

[obtuse oyster]

Om

You want pose, I want mvp screen

We are not the same

[burnt tree]

i want all of them

but no shot ive dropped enough rc since launch

want

[wind dagger]

Mileage?

We getting that this week?

[swift tree]

nah august

[past ginkgo]

oh true

shit

[wind dagger]

Why August?

Jesucristo

[past ginkgo]

I might have to login now 3 weeks later as well

[past ginkgo]

To check it

[wise pasture]

[burnt tree]

bc they said august

and its retroactive

so we will get 10% mileage of all purchases so far

tho i wish it was 20% ngl

[neon cedar]

100%

Bonus for the launch of the mileage shop

[cinder mango]

return your hell idiot

fool

[charred void]

anyone needs cloth on eu

[cinder mango]

[slender sky]

no we dont want to buy your skins

[burnt tree]

Place thy bets

[slender sky]

card xp: lucky

[burnt tree]

worse

[cinder mango]

https://tenor.com/view/first-time-newbie-first-experience-asking-question-gif-15720046

[short flame]

how is that worse than card xp

[burnt tree]

atleast i can finish this soon

[burnt tree]

cause we get purple selectors from events often nowadays

and i dont need them for cards anymore

[charred void]

that are failed mage leg skins, why would i roll scamjar on mage legs when my highest mage is 1660 bard

[short flame]

you get card xp from way more sources

so it cant be worse

[burnt tree]

true but we get more legendary cards next week so id rather get card exp to upgrade

im not a fan of cube farming

after 4-5 runs im basically done

[short flame]

convert all

[charred void]

convert with current gem prices

[burnt tree]

[cinder mango]

[burnt tree]

i might pop them with Valkyrie

[cinder mango]

valkyrie when

sathona

[quiet flower]

Delayed until September

[cinder mango]

what

[quiet flower]

Game is gonna be broken for release of it, so it'll be Sept 1st you get to play

[slender sky]

https://www.reddit.com/r/lostarkgame/comments/1m5jfar/lost_ark_deleted_my_realmoney_purchases_from/

some people are truly ill

[burnt tree]

20th August

[worldly hawk]

what in the did i just read

[wind dagger]

[cinder mango]

lost ark deleted my real money

[ancient oasis]

Someone who couldnt read spent money on ignite didnt transfer char over and is now mad they didnt get their purchase on a non existent roster cause they never transfered anyways

[worldly hawk]

i know, i just read it. it's their fault for not beeing able to read

it was stated very clearly that purchases made on ignite would only be transfered if you fully transer the roster

if you don't do that, it gets deleted

[burnt tree]

well yes hes an idiot

move on frfr

[worldly hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-wrestling-cat-choking-cats-fighting-cat-meme-gif-4366151393057216025

time to downvote that reddit thread

[swift tree]

https://tenor.com/view/monty-python-holy-grail-repressed-gif-5014118

[cinder mango]

https://tenor.com/view/helicopter-cat-helicopter-cat-heliblo-gif-15685012791631344513

[worldly hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/demon-cat-scary-cat-demon-scary-cat-gif-26356229

[swift tree]

https://tenor.com/view/ill-fucking-do-it-again-ill-do-it-again-again-goofy-gif-21090281

[wind dagger]

[fleet plover]

[worldly hawk]

[charred void]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gif-4902115307038308762

[worldly hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gun-cat-with-gun-wizard-cat-wizard-cat-with-gun-gif-16159015422731305199

[burnt tree]

shaft time

[worldly hawk]

disrespect

or broken bone

[worldly hawk]

30k?

[burnt tree]

https://tenor.com/view/just-a-little-suyin-bingbing-li-the-meg-a-bit-gif-14304712948065370308

[worldly hawk]

[safe lark]

some gold

[burnt tree]

35

[worldly hawk]

small corpa

[burnt tree]

frfr

we take those

[worldly hawk]

[burnt tree]

i also got 10x card exp from the same run

not bad

[worldly hawk]

card xp

[burnt tree]

https://tenor.com/view/karina-karina-stop-aespa-karina-karina-gwenchana-karina-genchana-gif-124244366723608113

atleast it wasnt silver

worth celebrating Kapp

[cinder mango]

https://tenor.com/view/haruka-chan-haruka-punch-korean-girl-gif-14723728887634035827

[burnt tree]

https://tenor.com/view/karina-punch-aespa-kpop-cute-gif-15544688322928230640

[worldly hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-punching-angry-mad-gif-24670332

[slender sky]

oh

[burnt tree]

https://tenor.com/view/hattie-shaw-hattie-hatts-vanessa-kirby-hobbs-and-shaw-gif-26168695

[worldly hawk]

do we get the same as ru?

probably right

[burnt tree]

yeah probably

RU and West are 90% similar

[slender sky]

yea most likely

not as harsh as i wouldve liked it to be

but a good step

[burnt tree]

1640 rats are still fucked tbh

[charred void]

they still exist?

[burnt tree]

yes

but even 1660 rats get hit now

so its decent

tho kinda wish HM Thaemine was hit harder

since they removed the requirments for trans

[worldly hawk]

HM theamine is still more than echi hard

[burnt tree]

echidna has more value due to mats still

but yh

[ancient oasis]

interesting echi normal makes less then echi solo

[burnt tree]

nobody does echi normal lmao

[slender sky]

thaemine should be max 500-1k unbound to let ppl list stuff

[ancient oasis]

tru lol

[worldly hawk]

0 people do echi normal

[burnt tree]

either Solo or HM

[slender sky]

echidna and behe should be like 2k unbound

to let them list stuff

rest bound

imo making more of it bound should be a higher priority than nerfing the total value

[burnt tree]

fr

wonder how character bound gold goes later on

but our patch notes will be better than RUs anyway

they provide no details

how are our patch notes 23500 words

and RUs so smol

[slender sky]

do they have the full ones alrdy? i only looked at the list

didnt open the actual patchnotes

[burnt tree]

yes

RU gets patch notes at Mondays

[turbid oriole]

[slender sky]

did you skim through them?

anything interesting

[burnt tree]

yes

no

[slender sky]

i see

[burnt tree]

oh

[turbid oriole]

https://tenor.com/nvhHzuQOtX.gif

[burnt tree]

solo shop gives them 20 abidos

per week

sad amount but yeah

CN gets 50

but yh idk RU seems to be posting a summary

guess our patch notes will look better

[short flame]

so we get 10 per week big

[burnt tree]

if lucky 50 otherwise 20

we never get less than RU

either similar or more

[slender sky]

how much does a lvl6 cost

in medals

[burnt tree]

uhh 300 i think

[slender sky]

oh damn

[burnt tree]

yeah 300

[slender sky]

ty

[burnt tree]

Abidos are 200 each

[slender sky]

medals are probably not a worry anymore

aegir will net you over 11k a week if you run all of them

[swift tree]

RU isn't the full changelog

those aren't out yet

[remote quiver]

So what's the point of cards now LOS30 is baseline? Just slowly RNG open packs to try get specific damage for some bosses? It's only like 1% and lower increase over los30

They stopped giving selector packs, it's all sselect a pack then random from the pack too

[swift tree]

build out the deck for the passive damage bonus

[remote quiver]

Are they increasing that or it's same?

[charred void]

lost ark players are stupid enough to gatekeep cards for guardians

[swift tree]

7% is 7%

[charred void]

so if there is a 0,1% dmg increase somewhere, glue eaters will gatekeep for it

[remote quiver]

Yeah pretty muchw hat I thought Fayt. It's actually made card gatekeeping worse now

[slender sky]

most of the time its not gatekeep but info that they got that set. i always have los equipped and when i apply they take you anyway

[devout nymph]

its not the cardset % that they gk for, its the associated time you spent playing the game that comes with it

[charred void]

i have my yapping cardset equipped

so i dont care if you have fire/water/dogshit/earth cringe cardsets

[swift tree]

Eepy Earth?

[devout nymph]

they dont gk because you dont have 18fire, they gk because if you dont you likely are a new player/altroster ricefarmer

[charred void]

this damn altroster/ricefarmers in 1700 guardian

[devout nymph]

you would be suprsied how many 1700s are there with less than full 7s

more so with worse hands

[remote quiver]

Will pet details be private? Since they are adding all pet passive to be accountwide.

roster wide rather

[prime briar]

1700 with event gems lol

[slender sky]

has there been a word on a new ark pass?

[swift tree]

now I dont feel so bad tbh

[devout nymph]

if the matchign system wouldnt be so awful and actually useful liek ffxiv ones we wouldnt run into this issue for dailies

cant votekick properly, cant get new people, no supports queues

[prime briar]

Feelsbad doing event guardians on partyfinder but skolakia + without sup feels awfull

So i party finder main 6 and matchmake all the rest

[fleet plover]

10 souls no gold chest

what a great day

[devout nymph]

i mean we all know mm is broken, either you get 0 supports or you get double triple, god send help quad support

[prime briar]

U mean like actual 0?

[fleet plover]

yeah 0 ...

[devout nymph]

i dont do alot of guardian runs...

but i think im fairly luck yon my mainroster

[charred void]

20% droprate is lucky yes

[fleet plover]

I am happy that this event ends, bad designed and easily abused by people with 30 chars in the roster.

[devout nymph]

should put the gold towards lifeskilling

[charred void]

i'm at 14,3% droprate

[devout nymph]

do soemthign stupid like 70k a week to get a goldchest

crash abidos market

[prime briar]

My worst day was like 20 to drop 1 on like one of the last ones

Im 1/7 rn, but i can't withstand this event, i love the gold

But its just too much guardian raid everyday

Ill rest for like 10 days after it goes out

[prime briar]

Next event = abidos chest on chaos dungeon

[devout nymph]

idm chaosdungeon or any solo content ngl

[remote quiver]

I havent had a gold chest drop in 6 days now over all my alts

used to rain boxes too

[devout nymph]

but group content thats annoying

hella no

ptsd from mm sonavel

[fleet plover]

Same for me 20 souls for 1 chest.

[burnt tree]

sadly no

RU usually posts the ark pass stuff on a seperate article

but theres none of that

[fleet plover]

I agree, it is too much already can't wait to get back to the usual my sanity is melting

[charred void]

sanity

[tranquil ravine]

You're playing a kMMO, sanity is banned

[wise pasture]

bad hands=> -80% dmg

[prime briar]

I Fomoed myself

• Mari shop pots

i need to rest

[wind dagger]

Nobody forcing ya

[tranquil ravine]

As a returning player I am mad overwhelmed

[prime briar]

My mind is

[wind dagger]

[prime briar]

It tells i need the gold

For valk and useless adv. hones

[wise pasture]

all gold shall be mine

[devout nymph]

"Nobody is forcing you to play 6 characters"

[wise pasture]

just play 30 instead

[devout nymph]

we are all cooked beyond helping

we cannot be uncooked

[tranquil ravine]

Speaking of daily chores, im glad they changed chaos dungeons to 1 a day

[charred void]

they changed it to 1x and also increased the average time to clear it by like 25%

[tranquil ravine]

Yeah but I'll take that trade

[charred void]

they dont do you a favor, they just give you less shit to eat

[devout nymph]

i didnt midn the old chaos, i minded the old 2x guardians

i do not miss cali twice a day

[wise pasture]

why not?

[nocturne silo]

lol same!

[tranquil ravine]

Are guardians 1x a day now?

[wise pasture]

he is such a wonderfull immortal tree

[devout nymph]

so old people dont remember 2x guardians per character anymore

[prime briar]

Drain ur sanity 6x faster

[safe lark]

two chaoses, two guardians

[nocturne silo]

2x chaos but it was 3 floors each

[tranquil ravine]

I member, I just didnt know it changed too cause I haven't done a guardian since coming back

[prime briar]

Guardians are like hyped because event gold

[wise pasture]

dont remember ever having that

[prime briar]

I like beside that just do gr rested

So like 1x every 2 days

Mats arent even worth it to do everyday

[devout nymph]

istn it 1x every 3 days

[tranquil ravine]

I dont think the ones for tier 3 give the event gold?

Not like I can find a group for them anyways

[ancient oasis]

Sonavel does

so 1580+

[prime briar]

Sonavel +

[prime briar]

Can be

[tranquil ravine]

Ah yeah im nowhere near that rn

[wind dagger]

I can't be bothered

[devout nymph]

hes not cooked yet

[tranquil ravine]

https://tenor.com/view/sadmeow-gif-865986515914460174

[prime briar]

Im reaching my boy sona since argeos + dont want to drop gold

Like look at that

Why tf i want more

[ancient oasis]

can never have enough mats

[prime briar]

If ur going for +25 sure

Rn im lacking abido

[tranquil ravine]

Its useful for alts still, no?

[wise pasture]

6 ye, after questionable

[tranquil ravine]

What, you dont want an alt of every class?

[devout nymph]

not you want 6x of the same clas to cook yourself to the point of no return

[charred void]

?

[tranquil ravine]

Jesus

[wise pasture]

slacking, not even lvl 70

[devout nymph]

sahrds for years

[wise pasture]

is it?

[tranquil ravine]

You have 29 characters at a higher ilvl than my main lmao

[wise pasture]

He is just built different

[pulsar owl]

you not ok

[devout nymph]

is till have those stupid boxes im keeping for collection because i aint running out of mats anytime soon

gold and fusion mats too stupid rn to bother

[storm bronze]

Most casual loa player

[tranquil ravine]

Lost online ark

[devout nymph]

liek im honign when they annoucne strike raid

till then im slacking

[storm bronze]

[devout nymph]

twice a week is nuff of

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1155328947769331745/1381929235865669692/GIFmoroo.gif

[charred void]

there are people with every class at 1640+

[wise pasture]

why not you?

[charred void]

im f2p-

[devout nymph]

that could be you with apradise

[pulsar owl]

at this point just make alt roster

[charred void]

i only waste resources on my page 2+ alts, i dont farm infinite gems on them

[devout nymph]

wait

how much does it cost to expand characterslots to 30 slots?

[dull obsidian]

$5 * 24

[devout nymph]

how can you be f2p then

[charred void]

im not f2p, im f2p-

[wise pasture]

he is more p2w than most p2w are

[charred void]

i waste money/gold/time to hone garbage up

my main is 1700

people with my playtime have 6x 1700+

[wise pasture]

imagine having main

[tranquil ravine]

Honestly the raids in this game look super cool, I've always wanted to try them but ive never actually been in a position to be able to 😅

[devout nymph]

thats 19.2k rc... thats like .... close to 200 bucks for character expansions?!

[charred void]

ok?

other people spend 200 dollar on poses

[pulsar owl]

imagine using poses

[charred void]

[wise pasture]

ye, imagine having poses

[devout nymph]

i feel bad for ppl buying if with bc rpcies at current rate

[wise pasture]

it is what, 2 raids per month?

[tranquil ravine]

Does anyone have a link to the express event details thats supposed to be happening soon?

[wise pasture]

we dont have detailed info yet

[tranquil ravine]

Ah, just know it's happening?

[wise pasture]

tomorrow at like 19:00 we should know

[tranquil ravine]

I assumed since its supposed to be next reset we'd have patch notes or something lol

[charred void]

patch notes always 10 hours before patch

[devout nymph]

prob half a character goldincome at this point, prob a whole a a new player

[tranquil ravine]

I see, I see

[worldly hawk]

patchnotes are always right before, or right after the patch

[clever forge]

usually tuesday afternoon for NAW

[wise pasture]

1 1700 char makes 94k a week from raids alone, 1680 makes about 5k less

[burnt tree]

they are every tuesday

when we get things KR is getting at the same time we get the patch notes the same day they are

[devout nymph]

thats also assumign you dont buy chests for that character

[tranquil ravine]

Right after is mad wild lol

[burnt tree]

we never got them right after

[worldly hawk]

yes we did

[obtuse oyster]

Which patch

[burnt tree]

theres unique cases we get the same time as Korea if we get updates similar to them

[worldly hawk]

i think it was WS patch

iirc

[burnt tree]

like 4 am EU time

[wise pasture]

why would you buy boxes in this economy on most stuff? maybe mordum and brel if you are very slow in finishig karma sure

[devout nymph]

already stupid enough that our karam system is sitll nto enrfed

[burnt tree]

but thats still before maint

we never got patch notes after the update itself

not even WS patch

[worldly hawk]

or it was like 2-3 hours before maint end

[obtuse oyster]

Buying mordumb boxes must be rich

[worldly hawk]

only boxes worth buying are behe

[wise pasture]

Im actually behind honing now

[worldly hawk]

everything else is a waste of gold

[tranquil ravine]

theres so much to this game im so overwhelmed as hell

[wise pasture]

take your time, it isnt a race, it is a marathon

[obtuse oyster]

^

[devout nymph]

tis a race until you have your 6goldchars set up, then its a marathon

[wise pasture]

these 3 didnt finish their adv honing this week, too poor

only aero did a bit

[charred void]

(meanwhile every clown trying to figure out EVERYTHING from other regions patch notes and pull out the calc for most effiecient ways to waste their time in a video game)

[prime briar]

Imagine having 3 act3 hm a week

[short flame]

your numbers are wrong
30, 34, 38

[tranquil ravine]

The problem is figuring out what im supposed to be doing

[prime briar]

Just 1 more day of this boring guardian raids

[obtuse oyster]

Fr

[prime briar]

[obtuse oyster]

Almost there tho

[devout nymph]

61k for 1660, 102 for 1700

[wise pasture]

yes that is correct, still had my input for mixed mode variant ther

[devout nymph]

full roster of 1680 is like 513k, not acocutning tradeables liek gems unas

[wise pasture]

yep, and those give a lot overall

[devout nymph]

about 100k or so, maybe 150k

wouldnt go overboard because those very likely still eat up money from other systems

[prime briar]

1680 is the perfect parking spot for alts

[charred void]

guys calm down, this game is not a race, it's a marathon

[prime briar]

1700 is like if u want too much play a class

[prime briar]

U cant race even if u wanted

Someone will always p2w and be stronger than u

[devout nymph]

its a race till 1680

[dull obsidian]

too real

[devout nymph]

because until 1680 you basically pugging with the worst parties ever

[wise pasture]

even 1680 atm is questionable at best

[dull obsidian]

?

how is 1680 questionable

[wise pasture]

have you seen the average 1680 in pugs?

[swift solstice]

is there any possibility to zoom out?

[dull obsidian]

unlocks 4th line
Aegir hm
brel nm
mordum nm
strike raid nm

[prime briar]

I need 1720 for strike raid

[devout nymph]

the worst raid to pug is brel nm, followed by aegir nm

[dull obsidian]

time to start bussing..

i get 60/60/30 creatures when I pug

[wise pasture]

exactly

[meager hill]

such high uptimes?

[dull obsidian]

high

[meager hill]

I was enjoying 40/50/20 in mordum yesterday

[charred void]

what if i dont want to inflate endgame with subhumans

[devout nymph]

i was enjoying solo 15min brel nm yday

[meager hill]

[dull obsidian]

continue bussing

so you never play with htem

[wise pasture]

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-reaction-information-my-reaction-to-that-information-my-honest-reaction-to-that-information-gif-613275461876515673

[devout nymph]

dead for how long

[dull obsidian]

too long

[wise pasture]

Tomorrow is the day

[devout nymph]

my moahdooms are somewhat okay, but im very picky with my parties

[dull obsidian]

55 gold boxes

slowly buying them..

https://tenor.com/view/uma-musume-gold-ship-mj-gif-16300409534087469760

[devout nymph]

not liek they are amazing

but i have seen worse

[meager hill]

I wanted to buy shards for valk, but from 1 day to another the market emptied and went up 50% in price

[dull obsidian]

this was my uptime yesterday

https://tenor.com/view/uma-musume-gold-ship-mj-gif-16300409534087469760

[prime briar]

A guy s doing lower than 3m on sonavel thats crazy

And he died 2x (not a mokoko)

[dull obsidian]

yeh I just dont do them without a carry

Need to trade that shit

lol

[prime briar]

I dont have no one to trade with

So i just do it myself

[dull obsidian]

thats depressing

[prime briar]

Just 1 day more.

[devout nymph]

as depressing as solo logging

[prime briar]

I can hold it

[dull obsidian]

how are people asking for relic books to be 5-10% of the price they are now

I would buy at 50% of what they are now

[obtuse oyster]

I just mm them

[dull obsidian]

...

so unfun

4-5 minute sonavels

[prime briar]

Can we be lucky ?

only 1 gold drop so far

of 14 grs

[obtuse oyster]

Just turn off brain

[dull obsidian]

I'm currently 1/6

[prime briar]

Exactly

[dull obsidian]

and have 4 shitters that need to be carried

[prime briar]

i was 1/5

U will get here

[charred void]

as if you did any in the first place

[prime briar]

Sometimes its just a unlucky day

It happens

[dull obsidian]

635

I just trade carries on all my sonas

[charred void]

i dont suck at the game and mm them

[dull obsidian]

yeh and who wants to hit a tree for 3-4 minutes

when you can go in and out in 50s

[slender sky]

for the same reason they complain about any sort of new activity coz its "homework" and any other thing that makes an mmo an mmo. ppl who never played an mmo in their life that would prefer a sandbox mode where a npc stands in vern and turns the game into trixion

[dull obsidian]

loading screen and all

[charred void]

its a video game?

[slender sky]

aww then maybe august with valk i guess

[dull obsidian]

and my characters feel like complete shit down there?

and 80% of the time you won't even see a support

both my WD and SH are mana hungry

and when you do get a support its some new player who doesn't even know which skill is their buff skill

[charred void]

?

[dull obsidian]

?

that doesn't save you

I just run illicit spell 2 and call it a day

illicit spell with KBW

its over

I doubt many players would enjoy a 1580 supportless character when they play 1660/1680+ content

[charred void]

the horror when the main character doesn't get his pocket support

[twilit ravine]

hmm character bound gold, guess theres no reason to have alts anymore to funnel mats/gold

[prime briar]

Do u guys have a hone music song or just do it whatever ?

[twilit ravine]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdhGTb67Iu0 best hone music

[worldly hawk]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Puaf2pBm5AY&list=RDPuaf2pBm5AY&start_radio=1 no this is

[slender sky]

huh

[obtuse oyster]

I hone in silence. Let’s the bad vibes from pitying sink in faster

[twilit ravine]

yep

[obtuse oyster]

[safe lark]

https://tenor.com/view/helicopter-cat-helicopter-cat-heliblo-gif-15685012791631344513

[worldly hawk]

do youu watch the cutscene for extra suffering?

or do you rage hone?

[slender sky]

there is gonna be 1 activity in the entire game thats gonna have character bound gold, an activity that didnt even previously existed?

[worldly hawk]

let him be

[obtuse oyster]

I spam hone

Watching my pity slowly happen might put me in the crazy house

[prime briar]

This isnt a song its a playlist

[worldly hawk]

you need a playlist for honing

[prime briar]

Maybe for advh honing

So u get those juicy chisels

[wide stag]

u guys cant be serious.. u telling me u not listening to romantic weapon while you hone?

[cinder stag]

I dont see enough of mira

https://tenor.com/view/kpop-demon-hunters-kpdh-crying-mira-bath-gif-2994531594272139825

[worldly hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/kpop-demon-hunters-kpdh-eye-roll-mira-gif-6917954001519029572

[twilit ravine]

everything start with 1, like the weekly bound gold going to 100% now on a lot of raids

[prime briar]

non roster char should earn char bound gold, change my mind

[twilit ravine]

would not be surprise we will get a lot of solo bound raids

[tranquil ravine]

Honestly I think that's a good idea

[twilit ravine]

like who would expect they do gem character bound

[obtuse oyster]

They can with paradise

[slender sky]

oh okay, so youre dooming on things that dont even exist yet, understood

[burnt tree]

why is he dooming

weirdo

[burnt tree]

ok nothing valid then

[past ginkgo]

Every time I saw you post things

You just go full doomer mode legit

Last time as well

[burnt tree]

shorely he will stop playing a game that makes him so miserable

[past ginkgo]

Like holy fuck dude, if you don't enjoy pull the plug man.

Surely one of these "LAST LOA ON" dudes ffs

[burnt tree]

also Paradise would be BROKEN as fk if the gold wasnt char bound

https://tenor.com/view/noa-pajama-blue-archive-angry-skill-gif-7704635827689755866

[slender sky]

ofc not like 5% of dooming are valid concerns, rest is just ppl disliking the game, disliking the genre or making weird scenarios up in their head what might happen so they can continue to feel miserable

[ancient oasis]

well they could also reduce the gold income by alot to compensate it for being roster bound but then that kinda changes the purpose of it

[burnt tree]

this guardian event perfectly showcased why Paradise gold should be char bound

if u think otherwise ure delusional

[ancient oasis]

the way i see it is if one of my lower alts rolls high char bound gold i can then raise that char without affecting the rest of my roster

[past ginkgo]

I just did this casually for a few days btw and made 250k gold

LOL

[burnt tree]

other ppl got multiple per day others none for days etc etc

and the character diff

the more u have

[past ginkgo]

And I am basically a quitter in this game so yeah... Paradise is fine with char bound gold

[ancient oasis]

i did guardians on 6 chars for two weeks and i got like 50k from this event

[burnt tree]

now imagine that with paradise and the gold not being cbound

[past ginkgo]

I rolled so many 20k's, it was ridiculous

[burnt tree]

all in all theres no valid arguement in Paradise gold being roster bound, even if they reduced the gold to compensate

[past ginkgo]

Spooneri in full force

[burnt tree]

https://tenor.com/view/noa-pajama-blue-archive-angry-skill-gif-7704635827689755866

[ancient oasis]

The thing is everytime ive tried to quit lost ark i always get drawn back cause theres no game with combat that is as fun

[obtuse oyster]

Me fr

[past ginkgo]

I basically stopped playing active

And just chime in for 1-2 weeks now

to look at some new things, then disappear for months

[obtuse oyster]

I take breaks but always find myself coming back to this game

[burnt tree]

theres no other game atm for me that makes me sink enough time and be ok about it

[past ginkgo]

Same reason I gave Kat all my gems, got no usage for them anymore

It's basically new content -> check out -> leave -> check out new content in a few months repeat cycle

Until maybe friends decide to join this game, then I probably play more

[ancient oasis]

yea i took like a couple month break after beating brel v2 10 times came back two weeks ago lol, before that i took a break after thaemine came out then returned during ignite last year, ive taken a couple long breaks but i always come back lol

[past ginkgo]

but yeah that wasn't much of a success for me with convincing

[obtuse oyster]

Same, paradise might keep me a bit longer instead of burning out quickly cause

Actually something else to do besides raids

[past ginkgo]

If I wasn't invested into my old MMO now

Paradise probably would've gotten me back on full active mode

simply because more things to do

And different things on top

[slender sky]

and that was a monthly event, paradise is a permanent integrated system

[meager hill]

I can't imagine working so hard for this damage
https://i.imgur.com/GIgSWCN.png

[ancient oasis]

im really hyped for valk, and the reason for my last break was because it felt like NAW was dead dead and i was struggling to find lobbies, the past two weeks though ive had much less of an issue then i remember plus we getting server merge to in a few months

id spend like hours in party finder lol, this week it wasnt bad at all

[dull obsidian]

of course

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vh5r7UKbHpY&list=RDVh5r7UKbHpY&start_radio=1

[obtuse oyster]

Welcome to NAE in oct

[dull obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/blue-archive-blue-archive-hina-blue-archive-sorasaki-hina-blue-archive-dance-blue-archive-hina-dance-gif-9802819389550746220

[past ginkgo]

And I can agree on that if you look for similar combat

There is nothing on the F2P market

NOTHING

[rigid aurora]

wtf hina vrchat

[past ginkgo]

I mean you could play BDO and play a boring lifeskill simulator

But idk what is fun on that

There is no good pve content LOL

[rigid aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/vrchat-manuka-ear-spin-bunny-gif-3735449442703176520

[ancient oasis]

I have a BDO account and its combat is fun but the game is so boring

[dull obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/blue-archive-hina-gif-11769986956060599900

[ancient oasis]

and i get lost in its UI all the time

[past ginkgo]

So until they release something F2P as Lost Ark's competition, you probably stuck with Lost Ark

And maybe even after, because competition makes all games thrive

(unless you are Genshin... then you just keep doing your bozo stuff)

and decline xd

[sage jolt]

Guys. What are you prevision for how long maintenance will be wednesday ? I heard someone says "the game at all wednesday" !

[meager hill]

is it a wednesday maintenance if it's over 24h?

[cinder stag]

HELP! I need to find out the color scheme of Artemis

[obtuse oyster]

At least 20 hrs

[wide stag]

I just came from the future and the game is gonna be down for 9 hours on wednesday.

[wind dagger]

I came from the past and game is gonna be down for 4 seconds

[sage jolt]

english people would organize bets on this

[past ginkgo]

4 hours tbh

with +5 extension

and +2 hours on NAW for whatever reason

[cinder stag]

Then another +4 extension

[wintry depot]

Im betting server will open at 20-21

[storm bronze]

I came

[obtuse oyster]

Eu extension

[sage jolt]

and one "apologies for too long maintenance" chest at the end? 😄

[past ginkgo]

Vitameow.

[wide stag]

feathers or riot

[cinder stag]

Ik you have it, can you please post the new hair styles?

[sage jolt]

have they already surprised us with a BIG update which took only few hours?

[storm bronze]

Yes

[slender sky]

anything between 12 -24hours

[red girder]

guys NAE region clossed??

[slender sky]

no

[worldly hawk]

8hours

[slender sky]

yea some patches went surprisingly smooth

others went catastrophic

[storm bronze]

We talking about the maintenance

[sage jolt]

no middle situation haha

[worldly hawk]

EUC EUW merge

[storm bronze]

What about the emergency maintenance

[worldly hawk]

how long was it? 30 hours?

[slender sky]

uhh no

something with naw was that long tho

[worldly hawk]

i remember some maint taking longer than 24h

[slender sky]

dont remember what

[storm bronze]

Definitely one time it wasn't up before the next day

[slender sky]

when they start at 9 we got a chance

when they start at 11 again its joever

[sage jolt]

normally, a maintenance is 4h right? from 9am to 13pm (EU hour) ?

[wintry depot]

It was like 20hrs iirc

Naw took more than 30 hours

[cinder stag]

they come with this update or valk?

[wintry depot]

Yea something like that

[wintry depot]

This update

[swift magnet]

i say 16h maintenance +4h extension + emergency takedown cuz sups are broken

[cinder stag]

Wait, idk if i could use it since im making it look like artemis so i need to Moon tattoo

[wintry depot]

Prob

[swift magnet]

found another weird preset xD

[cinder stag]

Yea, a rabbit is pretty weird

[swift magnet]

sir thats a cahni xD

[cinder stag]

Im stupid so idk what that is but

https://tenor.com/view/asta-yuno-kingfadedz-couldnt-be-me-gif-15063474

[storm bronze]

without patches

cahni are cute but this one looks like a perv

[worldly hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/hans-flammenwerfer-get-ze-gif-15834368

[cinder stag]

I would make the joke and replace bear with Cahni but i have a feeling that part of the name is censored

[cinder stag]

https://tenor.com/view/chuckles-legends-of-avantris-war-cry-chuckles-the-clown-dnd-gif-3651165872526298357

[worldly hawk]

i love chuckles

[worldly hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/chuckles-the-clown-dnd-gif-7199959581989019233

[cinder stag]

🥲 Hes a whole ass mood

[worldly hawk]

"geneva conventions, more like geneva suggestions"

[storm bronze]

skins don't change ws transfo right ?

[cinder stag]

If they didnt do the "You see the ghost of the person you last killed" Chuckles would NEVER have been born 😂

[fleet plover]

Gotta love doing cubes on Supports

always 2 minutes+ of waiting for a queue

AND WE ARE 2 SUPPORTS

[storm bronze]

[cinder stag]

Should i do silver or Auburn hair for Artemis?

for my artemis style i mean

[swift magnet]

2 chests from 17 guardians. 4 more to go later

[cinder stag]

i would do my only one but cba

[swift magnet]

i expect no chests tbh. i want the freetap mats

[cinder stag]

I would do that buuuutttttttt no

[swift magnet]

[cinder stag]

Doubt im gonna be able to be carried lol

[dull obsidian]

I WILL BE WANTED IN EVERY COUNTRY

https://tenor.com/view/blue-archive-blue-archive-hina-blue-archive-sorasaki-hina-blue-archive-dance-blue-archive-hina-dance-gif-9802819389550746220

[rich grove]

how bad idea is to powerpass bard support when I never played it? Kinda want try it, because I loved healing in other mmorpg

[storm bronze]

b*rd

[cinder stag]

crazy

[fleet plover]

If you really want to play a support, then sure try it out.
Just a heads up, bard is kinda the hardest support to learn out of all 3 and sadly the support role in Lost Ark isn't about healing, it's just about providing attack buffs for your team.

[cinder stag]

There is a support buff for solo supports

and arent supps getting aa dps buff?

[rich grove]

yeah, I always loved to play some buff roles in games or healers. Just not selecting it as first role, because its mostly bad experience in solo enviroment

[rich grove]

I love look of paladin, but I heard its pretty boring/sleepy if you learn what to do in raids

[cinder stag]

if you want difficulty become a summoner

Or whichever it was thats pretty bad

[fleet plover]

This will change with the next update in 2 days, all supports will get reworked so the gameplay changes especially for Pala and Bard as I heard.

I have all supports in my roster, but after trying all I can say that my personal rating is: Artist > Bard > Pala

[rich grove]

I kinda like something mid, I enjoy complex chars, but if I progress, its not fun to play them, because I screw up rotations (at least happened to me in wow)

[rich grove]

I see, I heard artist is fun, but I cant play little girl character 😦 (sorry guys, I know you dont like this term) 😄

[swift magnet]

pala must press buttons now i've heard. no more facerolling the keyboard when they fall asleep and still provide buffs xD and bard ya lets see. it sounds complicated or confusing to double z buff. easily forgotten to rpess the second buff during 4 seconds

[fleet plover]

Ngl this is the only reason why I hate Artist, because of her body concept.

I would love to just be normal body and have coomer skins.

[cinder stag]

Tbf that "word" is probably censored and would get you a mute lol

[fleet plover]

but it's too late for that, I have 6 artists in my roster.

[swift magnet]

out of the supports i like the artist gameplay. it feels more active with her jumping around and so on

[rich grove]

aye, I hate coomer skins aswell , thats why I wanted to try paladin, his skins reminds me of some OG diablo skins. But created bard and it dont look bad tbh

[cinder stag]

I mean you can do a wholesome NORAML style build.. Doesnt ALWAYS have to be that 😭

[lone rampart]

2 more day and Valkyrie will be there yes !!!1

[cinder stag]

HA!

HAHAH

buddy i have bad news for you

[bleak zinc]

[lone rampart]

wut ?

[cinder stag]

Its august, not july

[rich grove]

here in discord?

[cinder stag]

In this server

[fleet plover]

30 more days*

[dull obsidian]

ALice

[swift magnet]

we get the express in 2 days. but if you want to use it on valk you have to wait 4 more weeks xD

[cinder stag]

I dropped it bc it got too "solo leveling-y"

I loved it.. but its just meh

[dull obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/uma-musume-gold-ship-mj-gif-16300409534087469760

[lone rampart]

no way my victoria secret angel crew is Joever....

😦

[swift magnet]

[cinder stag]

Solo Max-Level Newbie << thats what my pic was from lol

Like i said, too solo leveling-y 😭

[rich grove]

mmm, saw lot of people mention it when talking about aeromancer, dont think its true

[lone rampart]

i guess the annual Angel event in the stronghold will be postponed indefinitely

[cinder stag]

Oh god youre right 😂

[errant fable]

loli

[cinder stag]

https://tenor.com/view/kobayashi-kanna-loli-police-dragon-gif-12823520

[dull obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/blue-archive-blue-archive-hina-blue-archive-sorasaki-hina-blue-archive-dance-blue-archive-hina-dance-gif-9802819389550746220

[errant fable]

https://tenor.com/view/sameko-saba-vtuber-cute-sameko-saba-gif-11333935393578221302

[fleet plover]

Same here, I love Artist gameplay the most it's just sad that after the rework she barely got anything compared to all the rest, she is now placed on the last place out of all 4 supps.

[dull obsidian]

thats if you run the shit build!!

time to go meter build

[dull obsidian]

bard to the moon tho

[rich grove]

so I assume I should wait for clever support people test all changes and come with info about new paladin/bard, until I powerpass one of them

[errant fable]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-dwight-schrute-reference-i-dont-understand-gif-25250966

[fleet plover]

Bard was already the best even before, I don't get why they gave her so much again xD

[errant fable]

https://tenor.com/view/sameko-saba-saba-saba-vtuber-saba-smug-same-gif-13352240171012466685

[slender sky]

[lone rampart]

relic ?

[tranquil ravine]

4 supports?

[lone rampart]

the color is a bit off so hard to tell

[fleet plover]

Yes, talking about Korea Lost Ark. They already have the 4th support released there.

[rich grove]

not sure if he would be posting leggo one

[tranquil ravine]

Ahh, Valkyrie

Im kinda considering pivoting into being a supp main

[lone rampart]

you never know maybe its a limited collection

one day we will have Esther grade engraving

[fleet plover]

lets goo

[tranquil ravine]

I was gonna use the upcoming kurzan PP for paladin but then somebody reminded me valkyrie is coming so

[lone rampart]

I got reminded it will come in August

[wintry depot]

yes

[lone rampart]

https://tenor.com/view/sonic-screaming-crazy-shocked-scared-gif-4336064578491096594

[ancient oasis]

dps and sup valk you can have both builds so you can swap whenever you want

feelin in a dps mood one week play valk dps wanna play supp play valk supp next week ez

[wintry depot]

(except supp valkyrie kinda sucks)

[slender sky]

https://tenor.com/view/special-ed-special-gif-14524557650897979460

[rich grove]

true :d

[wintry depot]

depends if we get the last kr balance patch

hope we do, but i dont expect it

[slender sky]

inb4 kr sucked at crafting a build again and supp valk is actually the goat

[tranquil ravine]

I still find it funny that LA announced Valkyrie and BDO announced Savior around the same time lol

[fleet plover]

don't listen KR people, most of them have no idea what a "good" support means.

They play blind without any meter

[ancient oasis]

Valk seems like its brand and AP buff uptime is pretty good

[wintry depot]

some of them are actually not that bad

even if they dont have meter

[desert plank]

https://tenor.com/view/mouxy-cotorep-aveugle-debile-esquiver-gif-20546128

[wintry depot]

lustboy is one

and he said meter gen isnt that great and u need to sacrifice all utility to have good meter gens like other supps

so no, valk isnt that great

XD

her dps spec is better than sup

[past ginkgo]

Those Ayaya skins would make sense if specialists weren't.... Ayaya size

[uncut dirge]

is there a dps shortage on aegir today

[past ginkgo]

but limited customization, sadly gotta deal with it

[uncut dirge]

4/8 lobby with two supports on aegir took 8 minutes to fill

[wet axle]

But winenlue mentioned on his stream that shes not bad at all as supp

[fleet plover]

Exactly, Benji as well

[past ginkgo]

and skip most summer skins for Ayaya

[wintry depot]

hes kinda clueless xD

[lone rampart]

well maybe he was drunk by wine before streaming

[past ginkgo]

The only korean I kinda listen to at this point

[wintry depot]

is saint

no?

[past ginkgo]

is Memo, because he made good guides

[wintry depot]

oh yeah

memo guides are good

[past ginkgo]

I don't consider Saint korean tbh

[lone rampart]

i listen to no KR streamer

[ancient oasis]

memos playing dps valk i thought tho

[lone rampart]

except raid guide

[fleet plover]

Wine is not clueless at all, idk what are you talking based on.

[past ginkgo]

Saint to me is like.. a western guy

[lone rampart]

otherwise most of time KR as clueless as the West

[past ginkgo]

that knows a lot about asian MMO

[wintry depot]

lot of things

his uptime isnt great at all

hes good at protecting tho

[fleet plover]

Did you play with him?

[cinder stag]

Its like when dudes in new york say theyre italian bc their great grandfather lived in italy before coming to america and meeting him wife

[wintry depot]

i have eyes

[fleet plover]

Oh ok so you can measure uptime with ur eyes

damn

[wet axle]

All the dps playing with wine is more than happy what are you yapping about

[wintry depot]

kinda easy when you dont see a brand on the boss for 10secs

[past ginkgo]

And Saint even lifes in the US for long

Basically

[wintry depot]

or ap buffs not on cd for a long time

[tranquil ravine]

You guys listen to streamers?

[wintry depot]

not talking about him

[cinder stag]

You guys listen?

[tranquil ravine]

You guys read?

[past ginkgo]

Was same with ATK... that guy used to be canadian

before he moved back to korea

[wintry depot]

i was just saying hes playing on kr, not that hes korean

we know hes viet

[lone rampart]

wait ATK was candarian ?

[cinder stag]

https://tenor.com/view/awkward-jared-dont-know-how-to-read-gif-14356898

[past ginkgo]

Yeh he has canadian pass

[wintry depot]

he lived in canada iirc

i dont remember if he was actually born there tho

[safe lark]

https://tenor.com/view/helicopter-cat-helicopter-cat-heliblo-gif-15685012791631344513

[past ginkgo]

Saint just plays KR but he lifes in the US

With stoopz

Atleast for some time now

[lone rampart]

i think Lustyboy left

did Lustyboy quit loa ?

[past ginkgo]

Yeh lustboy was also there

I think

[lone rampart]

yeah lustboy

[wintry depot]

yeah pretty much

he tested valk but thats about it

[past ginkgo]

Yeah lust moved on

So did ATK

[wintry depot]

he moved out and went to another state to work

[lone rampart]

damn

[past ginkgo]

The only people left from back in the day

Are Saint, Stoopz and Memo that's it

who made content for western people atleast

[safe lark]

working for korean mafia on rhode island

[past ginkgo]

Then you have like new people like Johnpal

[uncut dirge]

i've been thinking about it

aegir is a lot more like G1 mordum

than i wanted to believe initially

[desert plank]

Can anyone on NA check lvl 10 gem price rn?

[uncut dirge]

lots of interruptions with cutscenes, damage reductions etc

[wintry depot]

cauttyh is pretty new also? im not sure

[lone rampart]

https://tenor.com/view/spilling-spits-water-gif-5910757

[past ginkgo]

Idk I know everyone else kinda quit

[wintry depot]

yeah

[lone rampart]

roughly 2.7 mill

[wintry depot]

i mena even memo said he didnt want to make raid guides anymore

[tawny lion]

This update actually has been playing the game at least 2 days a week

Lost ark is back

[uncut dirge]

and there's no western guide making

because KR eats it all

[lone rampart]

one the worst gate Mordum G1, camera angle is bad and raid is messy

[uncut dirge]

since it's impossible to compete

[past ginkgo]

Yah just not worth it viewership wise

[wintry depot]

some people told him to just make a gudie about the most important things so its way less big

[past ginkgo]

Also lots of explaining

[tawny lion]

That would be good. His videos too long imo

[wintry depot]

its not even because of that, he was working since weeks on the guide than kr nerfed the raid multiple times and he needed to restart a big part

[lone rampart]

i mean his Mordum G1-3 is like an hour movie

i think Smilegate recent raids design got sloppier

it just lost its magic like back then in valtan

[tawny lion]

They pumping raidslop with silly gates to appease kr

[cosmic flame]

mordum g3 (HM) was a solid 9/10 raid

its fun

[past ginkgo]

I prefer the old raids as well tbh

[wintry depot]

ew

[past ginkgo]

Valtan and Clown being on my favorite spots

[wintry depot]

i hate act 3 in the entirety

[uncut dirge]

mordum feels sloppier because it's a dps check

unlike many previous raids

[wintry depot]

g3 still better than g1-2 ofc

ewwwwwwwwwwww clown ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

[tawny lion]

Pre kazeros Brel g1-2 & valtan g2 peak gaming

[uncut dirge]

dps check means doing all the patterns right is more important

[past ginkgo]

I mean I kept doing mario 3, was basically ZERO gatekeep for me

[lone rampart]

G3 dueling is fun, but G1 is a mess and G2 is a bit better than G1 but still bad

[past ginkgo]

[desert plank]

U can delete G1 from Act 3

[cosmic flame]

g1-2 are pretty bad yeah

just boring

[wintry depot]

oh i wasnt getting gatekept, we were 4 playing together

[tawny lion]

Aegir is boring and long too

[wintry depot]

just hate this fucking raid

[cosmic flame]

g1 is the most useless shit ever

[desert plank]

Camera angle is just cancer tbh

[cosmic flame]

can't wait for strike to replace it

[past ginkgo]

Only raid I pugged because only 4 man, 4 man pug is fine

[tranquil ravine]

I saw somebody using some sick ass fairy wings mount and I need it

[spare lantern]

i never learned clown 😭

[ebon snow]

very easy to get mount

[lone rampart]

my favorite was Vykas typing test

[past ginkgo]

and splitting up static in two teams was annoying

[tawny lion]

Clown on ilvl wasn’t fun

[past ginkgo]

It was hard, I loved that

[tranquil ravine]

Not when your highest character is 1412 lol

[tawny lion]

It wasn’t “hard” it was bs and annoying in addition to being hard. Toxic

[wintry depot]

^

brel was harder and i prefered brel over clown

[past ginkgo]

Brel was first time we had to replace 2 static members

[wintry depot]

i just hate meter gates in general

[past ginkgo]

Because they burned out on 6 gates