#lost-ark-discussions
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He has like 24 char's.
He legit has a bigger roster than I have by a mile 
So like 180$ on character slots in total
all
That’s 24?
mount might sell aswell if you dont want it
21 It seems 
you can have 30 chars right now
I know he maxed out
So it’s more
240$

250 next month
Well if you’re maxed out
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cant wait to finally get updated purple selectors in 2027 so i can get some drexta cards
yes over 3 years
I've not spent 240$ on this game.
meanwhile i put almost 3k into some random mobile game i forgot the name already which i played for about 2 months when i was bored
see, i'm a better person now
you spent 200hours on yearning isle
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My brel lead forgot to side 1 time and Ive never seen such a huge crashout from 1 guy
Man sent a dozen messages filled with slurs in a heartbeat
We didnt even fail a mech or anything, we just broke the shield a little bit slower
hello everyone, which channel does Henry read for suggestions? I created a post in Reddit that might benefit everyone involved here and i would like him to read it to know his opinion:
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sad part is black desert online had this "infinite reskin feature" inside their monthly ingame sub(crystalline aura), that was back in 2016
Someone yelled at leader for forgetting one sid?
Most stable lost ark player 
sadly technology is not there yet in lost ark
The other discord maybe 
Don't think Henry the "Legit Sideral Drop" player is here 
@charred void @neon cedar
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guy should see my creations
I drive around on my butt like a car
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@neon cedar Bro, what is this 
I did 15 and all rested 3 boxes 
i got 25k from 11 guardians gg
definitely on the lucky side I guess
this is broken event
||they should leave it in||
Some times it happens, you ever seen g3h leader fks up and aims the laser 1 bar for the bastion robot? Suck it up and restart, shit happens, if they wanna complain so much, they can do the sidereal instead

Most people don't care much for a wipe from a mistake sid, now, multiple
that's a bit wonky.
They should make it more baseline good for everyone, have it be first 6 souls get's gold and then after that nothing per day
This way weaker and smaller roster can be on the same line of rng-luck as everyone else 
I am actually more curious if there is ever a scenario of players can manually destroy a hammer in response to a laser misfire
You can?
We did today, It's easy.
The hammer is weak.
Everytime I’ve seen the laser misfired, we wiped, coudnt break the last hammer in time
It's just that you waste time and lose dps on boss 

Just gotta nuke it fast when you see the mistake
You prob did it before the sidereal even fired, I am talking about in response to a misfired laser
Its access to the Anime Chat
You should cast sid + follow instant so you have plenty of time after.
I agree make it guaranteed, but it would have to be nerfed into the ground. Or make it character bound like kr
I only got 5 boxes today, shame on me for not having more alts with more rested
Just make it 6 total roster bound gold and you can't do it on multiple server's, just like the Mokoko event.
ah yes this is the way
i got 3 from 25 characters, how many more alts do you need
I saw some people legit getting back to back 0 chests since they aren't an establised big roster, and that's not ok.
However many it takes to hit 6
Lmao wtf
mine was smooth af
although arguably you'd save way more gold actually hitting those free taps on something +21 or higher
my wd
nahhh you getting replaced soon, no chance 

Sure, if you hit something 
to screw over people blocked by EAC after a disconnect
im cold
put sock on
im lazy
But ye, I mean, I have 15 char's so unless I low-roll the entire month I should make a pretty penny on this event, I still think It's extremely unfair to low roster's and new player's 
lola jumped on my desk
maybe you should stop playing dressup on your slayer for valkyrie prep, you would be warmer with some clothes
Stoopz destroyed it
nice prices
Holy what the actual huh???
Bruh, what Is going on in NA
stoopz been life skilling
I guess that's the only place he can't jail people 
someone showed him relic charm, and a good relic tool, and they are bashing farming
Ha, jokes on you, I love Guardians.

Also don't you just get carried fast in your T3 ones?
I’ve never done the sidereal there in g3, I thought people take a few seconds to walk out abit, then they aim the 1bar laser properly
@wintry depot stimmy finally came through
Wtf is that
I thought if you immediately fire, that’s how you misfire
Before the change you did it slow to just do the dps more 
But now It's, hmm, I don't know, I did it today.
And I just cast it, waited a sec, casted it again.

Ahh
Also, Zoolander is a fucking awsome movie 
True 
i have 3 t3, not the rest...
its just fucking annoying to transfer gems all the time
yes
I would feel bad.
But.
what are these noobs doing
There's a but.
doesnt change the fact that transfering gems for a 3mins guardian is annoying
can they buff dps pala already so it doesnt take 3minutes
You save like 1-2 mil on sharing gem's so 🦆 you 
with the longass loading screens
they did buff dps supports... we get that after the event ends
Also, It's a guardian legit you can make the title "No Gatekeep - Sorry no Gem's don't want to move them - Anyone's welcome - LF Dps" and people will insta join you @wintry depot

i wouldnt mind if i wouldnt load for 1min everytime
i hate playing without gems
its annoying af
I join guardians on dps without gems all the time
It's a 3min in and out, you can suffer for 3min.
but ill prob do that
Don't be a dishonest pepega
Why do ppl pf for guardians
THIS IS WHY W CANT HAVE NICE THINGS
Just mm
i dont want to do guardians as 2 supps
its that simple
Oh I've only had that happen like twice as a dps
But I feel super juiced when it does happen
Getting 4 DPS sucks
i guess i should use cube tickets on that char
Mp sufferge
i dont have a lot of blues
or maybe on bard
but idk when tf ill do ah on bard
yeah
main better
ty
Someone donate me 50k red stones plz and ty
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I want my 1700 wep
i guess ill push that char to 1690 one day

i want to do a lot of things, but I don't want to push characters past 16X0 because of possible express ilevel restrictions
Ohh, what's the next express???
so you can go 1660.99
Is there one pre-Paladin?
we dont know
I'm thinking of swapping out one or two of my 1660s for more deathblade with next events
Idk why but this class does so much damage
it always should have been "best used on a character under 1660" never a requirement
I think maybe, hmm.
And I love it
you like my harp? 
@wintry depot @queen grail I bought a 79k high none with 2 rolls cut it into a high/mid

Sheeesh
NICE LUCK
BIG money
i hope u sell it back
BIG Luck
Why i feel like i am getting mixed messages, from ags west vs kr. I thought they were gonna kill the 25th alt roster accounts, that was the agenda, but here 1640 raids unnerfed, now they send out fat guardian event lol
next will be mokoko seed picking, doable on any number of alts but you can only collect 3 luckies per day or some such
guardian event is all bound gold, nobody cares if alt rosters or whoever gets it
some people were saying anti net measures, net and all rice eaters thriving with all these new events lol
A lot of the regulars in chat been having good rng drops or rolls lately
Being here brings luck confirmed?
I wish…
I had bad luck in good luck, lost 200-300k on market crash but still made 600k more than 0k so you know.
Give me back my old rng from over a year ago, they nerfed my luck
I'm about to pity a 1695 wep so yeah, not confirmed yet
Zheng you're banned from luck complain, 5 million sideral's in a time where 5 million Is equal to like 25 mil now

they even make mailing region wide and i have no fucking clue WHY
Wait, huh, what?
They did WHAT?
Just have 1660 alt rosters
See, this is what I'm saying, they don't know their own game.

Now the exploiting pos multi-roster shit's are just hoarding even more and more.
That’s why I said I am getting mixed messages, fyi i actually agree with them delaying the gold nerfs in the west, but that delay is long past, it’s about time they gut the gold, or at least char bound it, but they didn’t?
FFXIV can't even mail to their own alts unless you glitched a disconnect to friend yourself
Just have ur Alts on the same world, make ur own fc and use fc storage
It's literally what I did
most sane bard player
Btw your pride zerker crotch guard preload is getting way too popular now in the style books
Jesus christ 
Sup macros are something else
but im on eu 
They LOVE that shit
It’s being posted in other discords
xd
i would need proof of the player behind the char before that is allowed
The only macro I have across all my chars is my sorc igniting
I have only emote's as macros
fucking elixir flashbacks
Simple, clean, to the point.
Make my rotation the lyrics to I am the storm that is approaching
meanwhile nobody upvoting, i'm sad
I'll upvote the boyfriend later
It's not that bad 
The other one is a crime tho 
One is just, echidna tho.
how do i unrecommend


all i need is echidna
your sorc ugly i still downloaded and upvoted 
My sorc is not ugly!
I used a lot of time to get the colour's right!

even your pet is disappointed
put your titty away
Ayo, rude,
I forget to remove pet.
why is it so pixelated tho
busy jorkin it while takign the pic
Don't think It is that ingame, shouldn't be, used the normal cam.
And I'm playing on high settings I think.

scalps worst nightmare
I THOUGHT IT WAS DYES NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Oh no, It's going to break weeby 
wait... if you break the bald... does that regrow the hair?
yeah prob stylebook fucked the quality
frick you
what the FUCK is this
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the worst trash value garbage ive ever seen
bc price
so i need to spend 21k in bc for like 15k card xp
I think the worst one is still that 3+1 big card package
WHOS IDEA IS THIS
There are people that bought multiples of this
YeaOk
we going to the trillions with the new system coming to kr

travel back to last September, drop everything into 2500g crystals
I see, he's a f2p enjoyer korean
@charred void
ongodforreal
soon ill need to buy aura with bc again sadd
i dont even buy aura anymore
ethical local handfarmed
its way too much in bc
The bc price is spiking because people are cleaning out the energy pots from Mari I think
we can just leave raid and il lrepair
yeah
im not paying 50k to repair in raid
it snot for the repair
or storage
i hate going to storage npc
or any of it
or mail
you need some
i just stand forever parked in elnead on the bridge
I made 4x 40 weapons, self crafted all, just need the raid mats for the 5th 40, leaving bard at 30, out of gold
and if i need to repair i just go to sh and im at the row of npcs
playing lost ark by standing in 2 spots forever meta
meanwhile my main has this
Took me about a month of self crafting abidos, started with 6k, now I got 500 abidos left
every raid this week has been peak efficiency
then i do hm echi on my sorc
buncha fucking idiots
tF 
its cause u didnt bring me
Don’t worry, the karma gold nerf comes in 2027
good good
not feeling really invested into wasting gold on my ex main
whos getting benched in 2 months
and 0 karma is enough for mordum normal
the raid can stay jailed my sorc is cursed af
if you have 0 karma on a 1680 in mordumb nm ima slap tf outta you
You guys have infinite gold, f2p players like me can’t afford to switch mains, bench chars
? 
You don’t accept full event gems, 0 karma, luck elixir no trans for mordum normal? That’s toxic bro, how dare you gatekeep
And 3 ancient acc. 2 relic, just because
they all lose alot of mobility without 98
event gems if all t4 are fine tbh, 0 karma ehhhh let me see ur titles atleast
luck elixer
bro go back to voldis
are t3 gems ok
if you on mordumb with luck elixers, i dont think you should be 1680
my group was too juiced this week
i think im just too good at this class
on g2
control glaivier 
buffed when we get the kr balance patch
that we were supposed to get this week but fk me
🙄
I am just glad for once control is better than pinn for once in a real raid
rat
yea it feels good
fuck pinnacle
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clunky shit
not that clunky anymore
but they replaced the clunkiness with bt
lol
fucking
bt
piece of shit node
i just wanna get 70 leap on my wildsoul
i have 2 stacks of t skill but i still hit low i feel
Can’t believe they nerfed specialist class dmg in the next patch, it’s like a flagship char for cn
Meanwhile let’s buff soul eater dmg by 3%
The balance is revives 
deserved for ws
Smg balancers
This one is abit different, it’s kinda like control glavier, you have to be sweaty, and you need good gem investment
Nerfdb
No
and holy fkin shit
i do SO much damage
but yeah its def a class that rewards good skilled play
if you are ass at uptime then ggs
altho being able to push immune every 3 seconds isnt bad either
I have one too, bare minimum gem investment, 3 lv8 cd, rest 7s, feels kinda weak, if I got all 8s the class is stronk I think
Skill issue
i want atleast 1 lvl 8 cd for my gauge booster
the rest idrc
surge so often cd doesnt matter
Could be yea, I am not so good on the entropy classes
deserved that class is not okay
truege
Poor wildsoul, #buffws
Shorely cn lost ark will buff it
@stark sky did you see what I hit
idk at 1685 where im at, it feels fine compared to other classes
It’s their flagship char
what did u hit
i must just be bad at 3 stacking my z fast
did u hit ishys mom
He cut high mid
which high mid
Status and mana
turned this 89k neck into a high mid
omfg where are the loggers
sleepge
In rimeria now
nobody is logging in rimjob
its probs worth like 800k - 1m if not more
BigLucky 
That's like a million neck.
idk what eu prices are like these days
NAE was down to like 800k for high/mids a week ago
my neck was like that but it was 70 quality [high stats] and market crashed so It sold for only 620 (could maybe have gotten 700k) but I spent a month on market 
Fricking market 
Stuck at g3 on two characters. How people play worst with a free red is beyond me
Some people play riskier and dumber, give it some time.

idk if I wanna sell cause getting the gold doesn't really propel me much. Most of it would be deleted in 1700 honing and I'm already close to finishing up my 8s
i also sold mine for lower than i would have liked
and I would just end up getting it again down the road since I kinda wanna try tfm kaz
i need a high mid
You know what the dumbest feeling is now?getting when +1 dwarf, when your bar is like 90% full
OMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
ommm
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@stark sky this was my original neck, so I get a huge dmg increase for a small price of 89k
3% increase
yeah
i bought this for 15k yesterday
additional 
not bad for 15k
think my friend got her mid/low additonal neck for 10k?
i just needed a not ass rolled neck and came across that
whointhecutedoll
i have 5 more aegirs to do
but man does that raid bore me to tears
more fun than moredum 1-2
especially when g2 fucker decides just to spam aids patterns
and you get the 30 minute long suck animation

swallow me bug mommy
Well, you don't count the combat hp as a line, but the outgoing damage is good!! 
i hope you fall off a cliff
i have social anxiety so hmu is like 2035
thats why people have furry suits
would you still kiss me if i cosplayed as my catgirl from ffxiv?
thats why Eepy has a furry suit
I cut that into this


no
nah, most recent was 50k off of a mil


sell 1 day before fpala release
its high quality, high substat roll and a mid high
i can't even find a high-mid neck on the market
or put up just constantly for like 3m

i think 1.5m is fair for a high-mid neck
yeah, but I'm probably just gonna keep
thats high high price
there is also literally none on the market rn
high mid can dip as low at like 650k
it rly depends on the market
whos buying a neck like that
(not a lot of ppl)
i sold mine on nae

high-mids start at 800k on EU
depending on market, ppl undercutting you
Mocha pregnant
with his insane strengh stat it's probably worth alot more
but yes his neck is cracked
i would be surprised if it sold for anything under 900
this is posted for a mil
A milk
it has 2k less main stat
1 milk jug for bis neck pls
and doesnt mean 10 more ppl wont roll a mid high in the next 24 hours post it, all udnercut each other
IT HAPPENS
and if you think it doesnt ur just silly
that's stil money
kat..
just smol corpa
this
20k is 20k
just time it right and big bank
gotta time it when the market is dry

Promotion
With your luck? You'll have tomorrow I guess.
just swipe again
You "f2p" 
Some people have to work for their account's being strong.
Other's are bald and weeb's 
It's just life.
"naturally" making 8,7 millions in 2 months.
I don't think I know a single player who makes 4,4 million per month on top of crafting Fusions non-stop + doing gen stuff on their account's 

Hell, don't think you make that even if you don't do anything.

You don't make 1,1 million per week from raid "naturally".

like i said, raising bus prices
Scalp gets a 15% cut for all busses as a discord moderator, this is ontop of infinite gold status
DID YOU KNOW
that the leemur smears its tail in the most vial smelling thing it can find, just to hold it under others lemurs noses to get a laugh out of it
also have you seen a wet koala bear
they go from drunk tree npcs to crawling demons in 2 seconds flat

kazeros would be proud
i don't think kazeros is gonna have a weakness

jokes on you he was never an archdemon, only by name
isnt kazeros supposed to be the only archdemon?
The style book is the biggest win this patch
i literally have orange archemon damage sitting on my sh
i saw the artist section, i strongly dissagree
monitas
im part of the problem, i can vouch for it
i cant take you seriously
the only good thing that came out of baldbois mouth are his solo guides
everything else.... 
Only 1.5m red stones
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dunno what you mean 
do i stand up and make chicki nuggies
or keep beeing
in my chair
This pack is pretty nifty 
I might buy 
It's over 500k in raw materials + 2,2k RC?

give the money to me, i know something better to do with it 
im not sending you my feet pics for money
i never said i wanted any 
How scam?
You won't get better value for money > RC / BC / Etc.
In materials alone for T3 for FemPaladin It's around half a mil in materials.
Yea, but we aren't like you that don't have to play well to get strong roster.
Some (you) just play 6 of the easiest class in the game and coast on ultra-rng.
Grats
It’s in the f4 store?

Playing the same class 6x times just makes life way to easy 
Yea, but you buy it from steam.
It's on tiny sale now.
Did they go up again ?
Like 20%
Sold em for around 28g 
I can’t access steam store , not available in my region
wth
I drive around on my butt like a car
I was away when they went at 30plus. But hey only for 900k
VPN purchase the game then you can play


What is that
i deleted it

im gonna have to be looking around for that fucking red buff box to check for buff rotations

it looks so ugly
Hmm, nifty.
One day we will get buff filter
You're talking like you didn't make 45 million gold in 2 months and is still big chilling 
fr
nah, I feel that
when 
we all know u make 238721368271 mil a week
I still firmly believe 6x same roster players burnout the fastest, aka tubby 6x paladin player
nah, people are gonna burn out regardless of what they play
there are people who play 6 different classes and get burnout or tired of trying to keep up with it all
Burning out is just weakness.
just a natural thing
you didnt raise me at all dad
people get bored, busy, or tired
I never burn out of lost ark 
you left for milk when i was 7
imma show you weekness when i lock you into my basement with just water and stale bread 
Jokes on you, I like bread.

@sand marsh hindsight a crazy thing cause I realize how hard we could've maximized super early t3 with the shit we could get for the price they were
There's a point where min-maxing just becomes ultra cringe tho.
It's not an investment, It's a game.

imagine playing a game for fun, instead of playing to only press the same 4 buttons every week for 100 hours
and then flex about it
Mono roster , bussing = infinite gold
yeah, but bussing was super lucrative during that time frame and gems were weirdly cheap (cause of bots) so you could've actually gotten full 10s before brel
Fish abuser's and busser's are why our economy is so fucked
Should just ban them all
flexing a busser tag while saying "i need more gold" is crazy work
don't remind ne 
My mate took a break , came back to sell his fish for 12milliom hahha
But he can't buy "Losing virginity" with those 12 mil gold sadly 
noone could've known
something simmelar happend to me in CS2 i bought a skin for if think it was 10€, it's now 130€ 
I said no to profit off bots , i think its unethical else i could had been giga rich
I think people forget that most people didn't just have a TON of extra gold to just hold fish back then.
@sand marsh digging through old post, om
tripods on armor was such terrible game design
actual insanity
But if you bought them early at 3-5G like some KR vets
I play Albion Online too (Much less now tho, half-quit) but a friend there bought a bunch of the earliest skin we got.
and the fact that you needed it to drop on the specific piece was omega cringe
You won't know the currency if you don't play, but he had billions in value, and in that game, 100 mil is comfortable rich for a long time.
ya...he makes me want to drink bleach sometimes but baldy isn't all bad i guess
Pay 2 progress faster you mean , nothing is gated behind money
I still have a few billions in values myself in that game
mostly since I have issues and I hoard
pay 2 progress is still a form of pay 2 win
uhh, yeah idk about that chief
full relic books isn't even feasible for a f2p player
and before you say "but you don't need them"
well maybe over a period of 2 years

that's not the point
I have 1 friend who has it, BUT, he is a stinky market fliper abuser
I think theres a difference between investing into botted gold , than for people to be able to RMT in store , but hey each to their views
3.8m just to complete curse doll books
10/10 SG
This is how we got peon gate and box exploit.
This mentality of "I don't care about the overarching game fuck anyone but me".
People in the comments saying they saw this in their prog lol, I never saw this in my progs https://www.reddit.com/r/lostarkgame/comments/1lkasal/the_true_bomb_deliverer/
3.8m gold with a 4char roster like mine will take ~16 something weeks
if i save EVERYTHING
yeah, unless you get wealth distrubtion from rng drops or somehow dropping 100k-200k gold bars every week, just not happening
No, you play within your gold bracket.
so like 5-6 months of full saving my gold just to buy 1 book to full
yeah i aint doing that
Either you swipe ethically in shop, or, you just play the game.

@worldly hawk i guess im just old AF , but when the term was used Early times was when certain items where locked behind a pay wall, i so get people use of different now adays
unless your name is zheng, baldboi or yagami
smh, people like you, I bet if you could have gotten away with the box abuse from that start-server you would.

baldie doesnt get rng drops, he got lucky once. bozo has been bussing this entire time

Why not? No difference in doing that and bot-fish cost abuse by being rich and investing and re-selling for billions later 
5 1370s is crazy
I guess you didn’t see the screenshots, he cut high/high every other week and cut high/mid every week…
Both stanky.
you mean pay2progress and p2w right?
or am i confusing something
kek
I was 1490 by clown release on my db
this 1729 deathblade might be a terrorist

Yeah thats how i split them up
you're an accomplice shut your mouth
Sir, my rng been nerfed for over a year already 
well technically speaking lost ark isn't pay 2 win, because technically* * * * * nothing is locked behind a paywall
Zheng made 5 million from sid's in a time when 5 mil Is equal to like 15-25mil in our market
and he complains about RNG.
yes, i know
but it takes months or years to reach or grind to something, so paying money is the only way for some peeps
i was stabbing him in the eyes in my mind every time he got a sid drop
Thats what i mean, could call it pay2progress faster but would not call it p2w bcz nothing is technically locked behind a swipe
You still have it, yorgh got insane rng too, but he got burned recently honing weapon
This game would be much better if they just perma banned anyone bussing and multi-server roster funneling 
Imaging burning out 
yeah i agree, but practially if you don't pay something you'll always be behind people that do
Your fully entitled to your own definition
well yes, they are
This game is p2l
Pay to lose sanity 
but i personally still draw a distinct difference between the 2, because of said reasons i said before

bdo players do the same shit. "IT"S NOT PAY WIN. It's pay for convience"
mind you the entire system is built around making the game inconvient as possible
Imagine playing wow when Project Ascension is just a straight up better wow.
yeah i agree, i still go off the technicality of the something theoretically not beeing locked behind paying something and you can in theory at least, grind for it f2p. how long that take is another story

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something like diablo immortal is the best example of p2w
literally everything you can do in that game you can only get to a certain point f2p until you are forced to pay money to even be able to play the game at all
In my mind, p2w is p2w because It offer's completely unobtainable power's + somewhere to use that power to get even more power so you have a compounding growth on your account, at least that's how I view p2w.
Like I used to play Naruto Online, the difference between spending & not spending was Night & Day and there was Event's in that game where your Power was pretty much your Placement and also then your Reward pool and that pool was pretty big at High-Rank's so you kept getting ahead further and further on the growth curve.
That's what I'd call real p2w.
i agree with this
plus everything that has a mainly focused theme of pvp where you can gain power with money is p2w in my eyes, and i will forever stay away from those game with a 10ft pole
I put lost ark in the "P2P" tag, you pay to progress at an accelerated speed, but you don't actually "Win" anything, sure you can "win mvp" but even money wont' automatically do that for you.
hands > money
That moment when you outdamage someone that used the wallet

The amount of full or half-full Lv.10 T4 gem dps I saw that didn't clear first week or second week Mordum is a bit telling 
money can't buy you skill
real
if you have the best gear possible, but die to the first mechanic in the raid and floor for the rest
you will bottom dps

the winning is progressing your character
imagine spending 100$ just to pity a weapon hone
Not sure I'd call that winning, at least not with my view on how I see "winning" when it comes to spending money.
But I think that's just a matter of perspective and what you think about it on a personal level.

its not even 11pm wdym sun is coming up
Come live in Norway, during summer you get a few hours of night and then sun, It's been light outside for a little while.
the game loop for lost ark is improving your character to do new raid, doing the new raid to then make your character stronger, and then doing other verticals (such as improving gems, accs, books, the new core system) to make yourself stronger till you do it all over again
noone is playing this to just rice eat at the bare minimum

they have fun by making their character stronger
or for some people, its to play on their 1640 chars, on their 6th alt roster
the game loop is whatever the shit director wants it to be
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alt rosters 
biggest rats with highest expectations
"1-2 fast hw"
will be the most giga rat possible
saw a full T3 gem dude last weekend in echidna 1640 asked for 1680 plus
he was in that lobby alone for over 2 hours
deserved
Sure, but this game does not have a hard ever-growing curve that's impossible to keep up with, games where I view p2w do.
And even on a pretty casual level you can get to end-game (Tho I'd love if they made it even better for new player's), but even Flow who's on EUC with one char casual is at Mordum Normal Tier.
And not being able to get Lv.10's or full book's won't deny you anything in this game other then getting into grps with other's of that level of character's, but we all know It's not needed to clear anything.
idk what he was expecting
i wanna cuddle my cat but he ran off to the other room to look out the window


The very name "Pay-to-Win" is a shit name that they use semantics to counter "well you dont actually win in an mmo"
That's why I use Pay-To-Progress mostly for games like Lost Ark.
idk how any new player could realisticly start up this game and hope to get to engame if plannign to play f2p
the ONLY reason i can, is cause i started at the tail end of last year
and they gave out ignite
That's why we need to advocate for better event's, better mokoko event's, better start-pack's like free los30 etc 
and so many of char events
Simply,. by tempering their expectations 
Los30 should have been free a while ago, just kill off that card set.
im 100% f2p
but i started at a suepr juiced event time
and i can actually keep up
feels on p2w is always subjective people disagree on when things are and aren't p2w. My point isn't about keeping up or needing to play multiple characters. My point is that the devs continue to make friction that is alleviated by swiping (In KR) and then leads people who don't want to swipe to bus (in the west) and people who can swipe to also bus because the friction makes progressing (the fun) extremely costly. And yes, the price will eventually go down but by that point we are moving on to the next set of friction. The devs didn't even keep a 1-1 ratio for converting t3 10s to t4 8s they made them slightly worse and made t4 9s just the same as 10s but now you have a price tag of 900k instead of 250/400k back in t3
im not super juiced but with a little luck on some drops and having 6 chars i can keeop up
and im working on getting my 1main to hm finally
and ill get there before too long
its made for oldschool gamers, the type of players that want to play a game long term, and slowly grind out gains and see their roster/char improve overtime
thats not how gamers work in 2025, the modern mindset is you should be able to swipe 5000$ and clear the latest raid after installing the game 2 days ago, add in some gacha features too
"Excessive/Predatory Monetization"
"thats not how gamers in 2025, the modern mindset is you should be able to swipe 5000$ and clear the latest raid after installing the game 2 days ago, add in some gacha features too' well im a gamer in a 2025. maybe its more just being a younger generation or whatever that feeds into it.
i dont understand the whole gatcha game i must swipe to progress thing
feels like companies to preying on ppl
and i dont give into all that
only 11mil for a full set of 9s 
This has the vibe of kids peer pressuring themselves into late-stage capitalism ngl
Mmos in the good old days
was more on getting to endgame rather than being at endgame
"bUt gOld iSnT a ReAl-WoRlD CuRrEnCy"
-has a literal real world equivalence
like paying for skins or a battle pass or whatever for bonus loot or whatever, or sure fine
and unless you're doing some alter roster shennigans or bussing. You only make x per week from your raids, x per week selling mats, and x per week selling life skill mats
i just feel like pay to progress is companies preying on you cause you wanna play there uber cool content
activision was ahead of its time, new gamers deserve diablo immortal

im a 95 baby who dedicated a huge part of my life to grinding just to play endgame and then enjoying that endgame in runescape
so i guess im just built diff
Well, I'll agree with that the dev's are pepega
There's so many things they could do to help people and not harm whales but,
SG will SG.
new to this game
What old day's?
I played wow vanilla and 100% the goal was to rush-max level so you could actually do stuff + have an easier time farming materials and whatnot 
this is also my first "gacha" game
Exactly, the did some great QoL with the creation of t4 but they just hammered home dumb shit on just wanna to extract wealth at the expense of the rest of the population
like why even keep the same bracelet system
that shit is omega cringe
@sand marsh Youre mr paladin. Do you know if anyone has made a summary or video on dps paladins viability after the changes?
bUt I nEeD tO bE lEvEl 50 NOW beFoRe "Generic Nintendo Console X2456 comes out to stream Mario Kart 69/2: Featuring P-Diddy as playable Bowser"
Even then, you do naxx and then you quit until the next expansion. So it was just a matter of how soon can you reach endgame before the next expansion rather than staying there
Especially since wow tokens weren't a thing back then 
Like this event too, It's pivoted towards big roster's in a big way and screwing over the few that really needs it in favour of the big established rosters.
Just why.
And everything else you did didn't really have anything to do with being at endgame
they r scared of bots
yeah, and there's no pity
bots have feargated the devs

Hell no, you do raid's and then you farm materials for hours, and then you do special quest and crafting and gathering and alt's
and you're cooked if you don't have a 1580
I know, 30 freaking orbs and 3 chests.
Fem paladin is easy to ifnd info on. Im curious about regular paladin. If hes just as good Id rather work on my existing char than a new one
Just fucking make it the first 6 souls you open gives chest gg wp now everyone get's to have fun.
jesus
Blue Paladin required over levelling to meet dps minimum, you won't to do that >as much< with the new changes
no clue on actual numbers but it's 100% stronger just based on changes alone.
Support Paladin is still better than Support Valkyrie (especially with identity change)
DPS Valk is stronger than DPS Pally
they dont have an actual solution to bots, so they dont give out events as a main way to stop them from making more
Seems like my group were the ones who just did whatever was the latest thing that dropped then cba unless they enjoyed the overworld 
the gold is bound
yes plz
Vanilla back then was zero stress if you didn't care about raids
I mean, I'm complaining about the event, but I made 100k in 2 day's doing 15x per day rested @obtuse oyster but that's because I want this event to be fun for all and not just for people like me or Fayten that has 15-20+ char's.
so it makes no diff it was ilvl 1540 and up
I aoe farmed for hours in silith

Yea thats kinida what I figure. I don expect it to ever stack up to a regular dps. But if its good enouph ill probably revive my pala for both builds
Ye, my goons only did exploration while leveling, smacked the latest raid a couple times before just doing w/e. Our goals were simply different back then
And wow's world was expansive enough that you can spend a long time just achievement hunting
@sand marsh u wanna log still?

















