i still donmt understand
#lost-ark-discussions
fossil solar
torn ether
yes sir
wintry depot
barely diff for supports dw
torn ether
if u exchange the gems between them it does
fossil solar
so i need to buy a full page for my other paladin?
wintry depot
no
torn ether
if the effect is minimum nah
surreal gyro
YOU ARE AHEAD NOW BECAUSE YOU Have FUll lvl8s and you are DONE. Do you have Roster lvl 9s or 10s? all i see is OTP rosters with full lvl 8s. MY main on my different class roster already has lvl 8s and all my alts have lvl7s and 8s as well. DO THE MATH.
torn ether
lmao
thorny olive
barely diff for supports dw
I mean, just means parties get slightly less out of some supports than others, oh well, doesn't really affect the support tho 
fossil solar
have full 8s for my palas... so i dont need to worry then i see
tall mango
@wintry depot Arnyaa dearie... Some people are shitting their pants here nyaa....
fossil solar
lets see
wintry depot
I mean, just means parties get slightly less out of some supports than others, o...
yeah its barely different, just get better rings
cheaper and way more dmg difference
uncut dirge
yeah im sure sg understands the problems so much better
wintry depot
<@212378747293270026> Arnyaa dearie... Some people are shitting their pants here...
yeah i can see that
worldly hawk
yeah im sure sg understands the problems so much better
yes they literally do beceause they have data that you don't have access to??
uncut dirge
the "we can't give you meter because" company
wintry depot
sg doesnt always have the best ideas, data or not
uncut stratus
yeah i can see that
Arna what the fuck are people going on about with gem change did kr get one?
surreal gyro
yeah im sure sg understands the problems so much better
Yes they do, and i guarantee you if they added roster bound gems, the same OTP roster people who complain now would also complain then too.
uncut dirge
and "CO summoner is totally as good as the other classes according to our stats"
thorny olive
yes they literally do beceause they have data that you don't have access to??
Yeah their data shows ppl need to spend more on gems
fossil solar
so i can still share the gems between them 2,... i dont knw where i saw that it has 7 days cooldwon?
past ginkgo
the "we can't give you meter because" company
Which is true... I mean... KR wouldn't be in such outrage over no meter if it wasn't so important to them...
wintry depot
Arna what the fuck are people going on about with gem change did kr get one?
gems bound to char gives more dmg so mono roster class are crying
fossil solar
cooldown
uncut dirge
"rowen is going to totally not be dead content"
uncut stratus
gems bound to char gives more dmg so mono roster class are crying
So if you make char bound it goes up a lvl?
wintry depot
so i can still share the gems between them 2,... i dont knw where i saw that it ...
only if you bind them theres a cooldown
u can still share unbound ones
worldly hawk
"rowen is going to totally not be dead content"
it's been dead for over a year
uncut stratus
Are we getting before mordum?
thorny olive
so i can still share the gems between them 2,... i dont knw where i saw that it ...
You'll just play like normally, don't bind them to the char for the extra bonus
wintry depot
So if you make char bound it goes up a lvl?
no but it gives more ap% on them
slender sky
YOU ARE AHEAD NOW BECAUSE YOU Have FUll lvl8s and you are DONE. Do you have Rost...
sooooo, because you saw otp rosters that heavily cheaped out on their gems and saved millions of gold in the process its the communities responsibility to not make them feel bad for objectively good changes? ah okay gotcha. if that were your "good arguments" you checkmate'd yourself without anyone even having to reply to you
uncut stratus
no but it gives more ap% on them
Oh that’s based
tall mango
"rowen is going to totally not be dead content"
It's very much dead... PvP sucks on this game nyaa
uncut stratus
I only play 1 char not just one class 
worldly hawk
sooooo, because you saw otp rosters that heavily cheaped out on their gems and s...
gottem 
uncut dirge
it's been dead for over a year
and if you played the game at all before rowen was announced
you knew during the announcement that it was gonna be dead content
and unsurprisingly that's exactly what happened
fossil solar
only if you bind them theres a cooldown
u can still share unbound ones
so lets say if i bind gems on my berserker full lvl 8s gem t4 and then with the next powerpass i decide to make another serker... i wont be able to play him same week right? because gems are bound and 7 days cd
past ginkgo
it's been dead for over a year
Honestly, it was dead as soon as Elgacia dropped.
Because then everybody went away from the world boss LOL
surreal gyro
sooooo, because you saw otp rosters that heavily cheaped out on their gems and s...
But MOST people are doing OTP rosters cause they wanna cheap out, that's the sole purpose of their roster. What are you on about now.
Please just try to be more open minded and see that while Roster gems are INDEED a better change in theory it will not solve the issue at hand becuase the damage is already done.
While you have saved up all these millions of gold over the years you will have to re-invest in it when roster gems happen.
wintry depot
so lets say if i bind gems on my berserker full lvl 8s gem t4 and then with the ...
yes
wintry depot
Because then everybody went away from the world boss LOL
rowen was after elgacia
thorny olive
Honestly, it was dead as soon as 1 team won every match
fossil solar
o.o?
thorny olive
rowen was after elgacia
?
wintry depot
?
fossil solar
i mean if you play 6x same classes you are as strong as you were before
past ginkgo
rowen was after elgacia
That is the point arna... it was dead so fast
fossil solar
no changes for em
uncut dirge
i mean if you play 6x same classes you are as strong as you were before
yeah because strength is what matters for gatekeeping
slender sky
But MOST people are doing OTP rosters cause they wanna cheap out, that's the sol...
one question. do otp rosters or multi class rosters have better gems on their chars on average?
thorny olive
you said rowen boss died because elgacia came out but its opposite
I thought rowen was after south vern, what the fuck
wintry depot
wait no, i confuse rowen with pleccia xdd
tall mango
<:wahoo:1288727601032204288>
Ohhh you got a real playew nyaaa
wintry depot
nvm
thorny olive
wait no, i confuse rowen with pleccia xdd
Oh ok, thought I was going insane
past ginkgo
Yeah that's why I say... Rowen was dead when Elgacia dropped it was before it xd
torn ether
But MOST people are doing OTP rosters cause they wanna cheap out, that's the sol...
if anyhting normal rosters would be tiny bit ahead of otp rosters
torn ether
and they would catch up in a month at most
surreal gyro
one question. do otp rosters or multi class rosters have better gems on their ch...
OTP roster on average (given that each character uses a full lvl8+ gems)
torn ether
thats it
fossil solar
So if I understood correctly.... for most of the normal playerbase is barely nothing different
torn ether
no harm would be done
tall mango
wait no, i confuse rowen with pleccia xdd
Gj!
worldly hawk
Oh ok, thought I was going insane
well you keep repeating the same shit like a broken record and expect things to change, that the literal definition of instanity
turbid oriole
you said rowen boss died because elgacia came out but its opposite
When do we get kazeros
past ginkgo
I think Hermut was... 1490 world boss right?
turbid oriole
Does kr have yet
past ginkgo
Elgacia was something like 1500+
somber charm
So gem change good or bad? How we feeling?
past ginkgo
Then voldis was 1580
fossil solar
but if a person has a good char lets say 1700 with good gems "main char" can bind gem on it and gets +ap free
wintry depot
Elgacia was something like 1500+
kt gets it this summer
torn ether
So gem change good or bad? How we feeling?
garbo
worldly hawk
So gem change good or bad? How we feeling?
good change overall
somber charm
duality of man
worldly hawk
duality of man
OTP rosters crying their eyes out
torn ether
or are you just trolling
wide stag
Hows the gem change gonna effect players who play 6 different characters each with their own set of gems? nothings changed or we get screwed somehow?
past ginkgo
I mean the change isn't bad but... I got this bad feeling of SG trying to give it more power ups in the future
fossil solar
OTP rosters crying their eyes out
if you dont bind gems you are still the same haha
thorny olive
well you keep repeating the same shit like a broken record and expect things to ...
Yeah, okay, and you keep saying "good change" like a broken record, so I don't see the difference
Doesn't make it good
torn ether
if you dont bind gems you are still the same haha
for supps yeah not for dps
split grove
But MOST people are doing OTP rosters cause they wanna cheap out, that's the sol...
i play 6 of same class because its the only class i enjoy 
low nebula
even rigged, no green embers for a week now
worldly hawk
Yeah, okay, and you keep saying "good change" like a broken record, so I don't s...
at least i bring actual arguments to the table why it's good.
slender sky
So gem change good or bad? How we feeling?
nonsense change that does nothing for anyone really. tackled none of the problems with gems overall.
wintry depot
Hows the gem change gonna effect players who play 6 different characters each wi...
nothing, you will gain dmg
thorny olive
at least i bring actual arguments to the table why it's good.
What arguments, "good change" isn't an argument
wide stag
nothing, you will gain dmg
Okay fantastic. 👍
thorny olive
"quit the game" isn't an argument either
wide stag
Good change.
torn ether
at least i bring actual arguments to the table why it's good.
becouse roster wide gems would make the game more accessable for everyone
worldly hawk
"quit the game" isn't an argument either
i told you personally to quit the game if you're unhappy with it
but you keep coming back to the game like a cocaine addiction
wintry depot
"good change" as support mains quit
idk why would they quit tbh, its almost no change for supps
burnt tree
slender sky
smol ratty
burnt tree
idk why would they quit tbh, its almost no change for supps
Let me glorify the issue
burnt tree
smol ratty
Ratatat
slender sky
that's disgusting
leave my artist alone
thorny olive
i told you personally to quit the game if you're unhappy with it
How is that a good argument, you want more people to quit the game? Great benefit
fresh flint
Sure. If you go to my job and work 9h for me
worldly hawk
How is that a good argument, you want more people to quit the game? Great benefi...
because, if people actually quit, stop spending and keep complaining there might actually be change but you just whine and complain but still play the game
torn ether
because, if people actually quit, stop spending and keep complaining there might...
game is still enjoyable complaining about bad changes is not a bad thing
worldly hawk
the best way to show that you dislike the way the game is going is by hitting them where it hurts most their wallet
turbid oriole
dull obsidian
I mean the change is viewed like 50/50 I think
thorny olive
because, if people actually quit, stop spending and keep complaining there might...
Alright, so, people shouldn't complain about bad changes, and quit instead so the game dies 
burnt tree
Yeah its pretty mixed
past ginkgo
because, if people actually quit, stop spending and keep complaining there might...
You see... I got this mindset too once but then I remembered NCSoft (another greedy korean company), people actually all just silently quit, you know what they did? They tripled down and killed their own game within 2 months of release.
dull obsidian
if the change goes through my alt blade gets 7s
worldly hawk
Alright, so, people shouldn't complain about bad changes, and quit instead so th...
you were witness to what i said a minute ago, and got it wrong
dull obsidian
burnt tree
Some people are actually glad some whale andies with same class get shafted
torn ether
I mean the change is viewed like 50/50 I think
viewed good by ppl cant think anyhting other than tehmselves
burnt tree
Others are like "idc"
dull obsidian
I mean I'm multi same class
burnt tree
But then again nothing changes, you just don't bind ur gems
dull obsidian
it hurts
worldly hawk
Helldivers 2 is a perfect example, Sony did a dumb people stopped playing and they backpeddled within a week
burnt tree
Sure u lose like 5% dmg
craggy parrot
People have stopped spending and are quitting
dull obsidian
but not to the point some people are talking about
burnt tree
But its what it issss
safe lark
craggy parrot
And that’s why this bozo is scrambling around to fix it
burnt tree
Yeah it is
worldly hawk
it's less for supports
uncut dirge
the best way to show that you dislike the way the game is going is by hitting th...
but that's pointless though
high fog
It’s only 5% for 10s iirc
dull obsidian
no
burnt tree
I too will quit over 5% dmg
uncut dirge
if i quit the game i don't care whether it changes or not anymore
torn ether
if u force ppl to play in a way they dont want they willl
high fog
For most ppl it should be around 4?
worldly hawk
but that's pointless though
why would that be pointless that literally the #1 best way to show that you dislike the game
uncut dirge
because if i quit the game i'm not playing it anymore
burnt tree
9s are 4ish to 5% i think
uncut dirge
what do i care whether the devs listen to the players at that point
worldly hawk
because if i quit the game i'm not playing it anymore
that's the point
slender sky
what you guys dont understand is, there was an opportunity to fix the gem system in its entirety. its not a "good change" only coz you get 5% ap out of it now. they actively decided against making it a good system and instead dragged down otp rosters to the same shitty standard that multi class rosters are in. THAT is the problem with it
uncut dirge
cause if i quit a game over dev decisions that developer is dead to me as far as i'm concerned
thorny olive
why would that be pointless that literally the #1 best way to show that you disl...
Well, I guess no one listens to complains anyway
dull obsidian
this change would've been fine at t4 release
uncut dirge
the problem isn't the % dmg
worldly hawk
Well, I guess no one listens to complains anyway
because you morons keep starting the game instead of actually not playing it
uncut dirge
it's gonna be something people use to gatekeep almost certainly
and extra gatekeeping (party finder time) will absolutely lose players
turbid oriole
why would that be pointless that literally the #1 best way to show that you disl...
Boycotts don't work unless everyone does it
worldly hawk
this ^
dull obsidian
"everyone"
worldly hawk
if you idiots keep playing the game nothing changes
burnt tree
Arguing about it on unofficial discord won't change anything
dull obsidian
Are you stupid
worldly hawk
or not everyone but a large % of the playerbase
dull obsidian
80% of players don't care
tall mango
Fck it i'm not quitting for this. Idgaf about the change
turbid oriole
80% of players don't care
That's the point I was making
dull obsidian
the other 20% are the vocal minority on reddit and discord
burnt tree
Yep
torn ether
Arguing about it on unofficial discord won't change anything
there are alot of posts on main sever aswel i dont think they will back down from this anyways
craggy parrot
80% are bots
turbid oriole
the other 20% are the vocal minority on reddit and discord
Those guy's on Reddit don't even play
dull obsidian
we are the vocal minority in talking
worldly hawk
the other 20% are the vocal minority on reddit and discord
redditors don't play the game
turbid oriole
It's just losing drama farming
past ginkgo
Reddit 
dull obsidian
redditors don't play the game
and neither do 30% of the people here
lmao
?
would be higher if I didn't move most of them into a separate disc
kind geyser
West wont gatekeep unbound gems right bois?
turbid oriole
@bright scroll what's your take on gem change
kind geyser
We too good
worldly hawk
<@1189424014242873394> what's your take on gem change
past ginkgo
West wont gatekeep unbound gems right bois?
West gatekept demon dmg % on Akkan... never forget.
thorny olive
West wont gatekeep unbound gems right bois?
Good copium
past ginkgo
slender sky
Fck it i'm not quitting for this. Idgaf about the change
im only benefiting from the change either, but it doesnt make it less bad of a change. i want the game to do good and not do stupid changes on my behalf
past ginkgo
"no 5% demon damage?" get outta here!
turbid oriole
<:Deadge:961178705240141855>
You need stoopz John cautty to make noise or it's just a nothing burger
thorny olive
But he's a whale so it doesn't affect him anyway
worldly hawk
You need stoopz John cautty to make noise or it's just a nothing burger
meh i don't even think they can change anything
craggy parrot
Isn’t cautty upset
past ginkgo
Guys stoopz and john just swipe 5 more gem sets
worldly hawk
you actually need a large % of the playerbase to boycott to actually see complaints heard
dull obsidian
that they will do something about it
past ginkgo
xD
dull obsidian
because after may livestream is the big loaon of the year
fresh flint
Fck it i'm not quitting for this. Idgaf about the change
It doesn’t really have an affect on your roster tbh
high fog
If they do revert it the other 20% of the vocal folk gon complain about gem sharing being too op
And we can light inven on fire with that again
Wahoo
worldly hawk
Fck it i'm not quitting for this. Idgaf about the change
teh change doesn't really affect youu
tall mango
It doesn’t really have an affect on your roster tbh
I mean ... If people did the same class on their roaster that's their proble.... Obviously SG would pin them down because that not what they wanted
worldly hawk
If they do revert it the other 20% of the vocal folk gon complain about gem shar...
people will always bitch and complain it's the same every time a change comes around
dull obsidian
I'm part of the group thats affected
worldly hawk
you can't make everyone happy
fossil solar
So many ppl quitting!!!
tall mango
Just pretend the change isn't here sheesh... wait 7 days and stfu
dull obsidian
But Idm trading 1.1m for 4.5% dmg on my main
thorny olive
I mean ... If people did the same class on their roaster that's their proble.......
Then why allow it
fossil solar
We are here for some free gems
turbid oriole
I mean ... If people did the same class on their roaster that's their proble.......
Fake fr*nch smh
thorny olive
I'm part of the group thats affected
Poor ishy
high fog
you can't make everyone happy
Then what makes this 20% more worth making happy than the other 20%
worldly hawk
Then what makes this 20% more worth making happy than the other 20%
and then there is the 60% that are indifferent or don't care
tall mango
Fake fr*nch smh
I'm french that live with international communities for more than 8 years. I'm more english than anything else
high fog
I really don’t think there is any change they could do
thorny olive
Just crash the market for 2 months and make roster gems smh
Don't worry ishy, desert says we should just quit, we are free
tall mango
Anyway... Point is... Jfc stop moaning about it
thorn basin
i don't wanna be free 
slender sky
roster.bound.gems.
fresh flint
i don't wanna be free <:sadgeSitSip:939579189923840051>
Same. I’ll be doing my chaos dungeons per usual.
thorn basin
Same. I’ll be doing my chaos dungeons per usual.
same
dull obsidian
they care about those people
high fog
roster.bound.gems.
The 6X roster folk even in NA we’re spamming “I made 6 dupes for cheap not for fun”
torn ether
people rmt as their life job
who cares about them
tulip charm
Just pretend the change isn't here sheesh... wait 7 days and stfu
That’s not a na/global response, the global response is to assume the gem system comes next week, full doom post till 2027 and list all your gems in the ah for 10k gold immediately
thorny olive
Anyway... Point is... Jfc stop moaning about it
Look away from discord for a day
dull obsidian
who cares about them
KR? lmao
thorny olive
torn ether
kr ppl are just glupid
high fog
That was all we saw in the roster bound gem suggestion threads
past ginkgo
That’s not a na/global response, the global response is to assume the gem system...
So you can buy them... yeh yeh yeh
past ginkgo
tall mango
That’s not a na/global response, the global response is to assume the gem system...
There's "assuming" in your sentence. See?
tulip charm
So you can buy them... yeh yeh yeh
I have almost no gold
turbid oriole
All the 20% ers coming out the woodworks
fresh flint
I have almost no gold
Almost have none translates to: around half a mil.
tall mango
People always shit their pants because they are smart and they are assuming lol
slender sky
The 6X roster folk even in NA we’re spamming “I made 6 dupes for cheap not for f...
nothing changes for them. they still have their beefy gems. only that those that have their gems scattered across 6 characters get to fuse theirs up. and makes that system less of a burden to literally every loa player in existence
high fog
nothing changes for them. they still have their beefy gems. only that those that...
Nothing changes for them with this system too
dull obsidian
too much damage in the game already
tulip charm
Highly doubt this gem system will even be implanted, without some revisions, kr don’t give a shit what global thinks or do, but they might care what the kr players do, and they are rioting
high fog
Everyone else just gets stronger
tall mango
Look away from discord for a day
You guys keep at it for hours... On a discord SG doesn't give a fck about... Waste of energy
past ginkgo
Highly doubt this gem system will even be implanted, without some revisions, kr ...
True they will always listen to KR only (kinda), so whatever shit comes along, west will have to DEAL with it.
craggy parrot
The care enough to stop ags from giving us good stuff
thorny olive
You guys keep at it for hours... On a discord SG doesn't give a fck about... Was...
Won't make people stop
fresh flint
dull obsidian
i mean if NA got roster gems
slender sky
Everyone else just gets stronger
so it would have the exact same effect? only that the system objectively gets better
dull obsidian
kr would cry for it too
tulip charm
Almost have none translates to: around half a mil.
Well, I have 170k gold if you wanna be exact
somber charm
what do you think the blue crystal cost will be to skip the cooldown?
tall mango
Won't make people stop
It's not my goal. Just trying to tell you how stupid it is
thorn basin
Won't make people stop
you have a sh too right? what do we do about that 
torn ether
kr would cry for it too
good let them cry
fresh flint
Well, I have 170k gold if you wanna be exact
That’s a lot of 10k gold gems buddy.
torn ether
maybe they get it too
past ginkgo
kr would cry for it too
True just look at the meter discussion in KR
high fog
so it would have the exact same effect? only that the system objectively gets be...
Yes but they aren’t going to be happy with either
They want no change
thorny olive
you have a sh too right? what do we do about that <:caught:1213249488731504640>
Idk, keep playing without binding gems I guess
high fog
So no matter what we do that portion is going to be upset they don’t get to keep their like advantage
burnt tree
The worse problem with the gem changes is they will balance raids around that extra power saddies
dull obsidian
I think sup players got the biggest slap here tbh
thorn basin
Idk, keep playing without binding gems I guess
i guess ye maybe sacrificing another top 6 char which is gonna be a bit weaker
slender sky
They want no change
no change is no option tho. the game is declining in all regions. if you dont try to change things you might aswell eos tomorrow.
burnt tree
tulip charm
Idk, keep playing without binding gems I guess
It’s a solution no one wants to put into effect right now from the players side
slender sky
at some point you gotta find your balls and do some more drastic changes
high fog
This is the drastic change
slender sky
its rly not
burnt tree
at some point you gotta find your balls and do some more drastic changes
Yeah EoS
slender sky
its an unnecessary complicated nothingburger to not piss off whales
thorny olive
It’s a solution no one wants to put into effect right now from the players side
Yeah it's dumb, not a solution, but not sure what else people can do
torn ether
This is the drastic change
this is just a bad change
craggy parrot
They have been trying to milk their playerbase dry for the entire year
thorny olive
i guess ye maybe sacrificing another top 6 char which is gonna be a bit weaker
Sadly
fresh flint
We’re 5 months into the year
past ginkgo
The only problem I see with this is... when new raids drop and people want every single damage thing for prog... if you don't bind your gems, they probably decline you lol
craggy parrot
Huge kr complaint was the packs and he didn’t even mention it
past ginkgo
Static it is
tulip charm
Yeah it's dumb, not a solution, but not sure what else people can do
My mind set is, if they cater to the whales so much, buff their lv11 t4 gems to give more damage, some people might get mad, I wouldn’t be mad if they did this
burnt tree
Huge kr complaint was the packs and he didn’t even mention it
He mentioned it indirectly with the economy and stuff
high fog
The only problem I see with this is... when new raids drop and people want every...
They still gonna take the 10 unbound guy over the 8 bound one
tulip charm
But if they decrease my gem power, just because of no reason, fuck them
burnt tree
Id buy them too ngl
torn ether
They still gonna take the 10 unbound guy over the 8 bound one
ofc that doesnt give u that much dmg
burnt tree
90k destruction stones and 6k abidos just like that
craggy parrot
I would have to before this gem announcement
past ginkgo
They still gonna take the 10 unbound guy over the 8 bound one
Yeah but only because stupidity, bound gems is dmg increase, no matter if it's like only 3%, it's 3% MORE
craggy parrot
Now I have 0 interest in putting anymore money
craggy parrot
Fgo summer is about to start soon anyway
burnt tree
Fgo 
thorny olive
Maybe AGS don't, hopefully AGS sees it unfit for out version
tulip charm
See you guys in 48 hours for the next emergency director broadcast
thorn basin
praying in the chinese version to fix the game frfr
craggy parrot
Fgo <:ew:1052030777967255592>
somber charm
Now I have 0 interest in putting anymore money
multple of the same classes?
burnt tree
See you guys in 48 hours for the next emergency director broadcast
Lil bro said there's gonna be a follow up stream in a few days
past ginkgo
See you guys in 48 hours for the next emergency director broadcast
There is already another emergency stream? WHAT.
burnt tree
He already knew
covert remnant
I'll wait to see how AGS introduces it
With a lot of bugs
craggy parrot
multple of the same classes?
Nah I have 6 unique classes
burnt tree
There is already another emergency stream? WHAT.
No
dull obsidian
4 same classes
tulip charm
There is already another emergency stream? WHAT.
dull obsidian
craggy parrot
I can see a bad change even when it benefits me
burnt tree
He said there was going to be another stream in a couple of days
thorny olive
Nah I have 6 unique classes
Me too, still think the change is absolute garbage
thorny olive
Well, I have a sh, but whatever
craggy parrot
I don’t even have a transform class
This is nothing but a buff for my chars
But it’s an awful change
fresh flint
I don’t get mad on other peoples behalf. I will continue to enjoy my game. 
burnt tree
^
craggy parrot
And what’s to stop them from doing this to another system that was once roster bound
tall mango
I don’t get mad on other peoples behalf. I will continue to enjoy my game. <:CE_...
Same nya...
past ginkgo
He said there was going to be another stream in a couple of days
Curious if he will address the p2w package thing in KR
peak loom
W gems changes
past ginkgo
This time for sure, right?
peak loom
Big W
turbid oriole
He already knew
Are we getting Kaz this year
thorny olive
But it’s an awful change
Someone with common sense and isn't being selfish
tulip charm
I don’t get mad on other peoples behalf. I will continue to enjoy my game. <:CE_...
Not enough people have this mindset nowadays
burnt tree
Are we getting Kaz this year
Yeah
dull obsidian
I mean
turbid oriole
Someone with common sense and isn't being selfish
covert remnant
Well, I have a sh, but whatever
The damage is already sh*t and now with no extra ap from main gems, it's gatekeep time
torn ether
I don’t get mad on other peoples behalf. I will continue to enjoy my game. <:CE_...
they misssed on an opprtunity to make really good change tho
dull obsidian
what is the "really good change"
torn ether
what is the "really good change"
roster gems
fresh flint
they misssed on an opprtunity to make really good change tho
Yeah. I already agree that it sucks for those it negatively impacts. However, I am going to still play the game and enjoy it. I will not get mad on behalf of someone else’s grievances and riot over it.
craggy parrot
It won’t
dull obsidian
what do you think happens
errant fable
dull obsidian
when 10 billion gold gets flushed into the market
torn ether
will doom the game for 2-3 months
how
dull obsidian
at once
thorny olive
The damage is already sh*t and now with no extra ap from main gems, it's gatekee...
It's just a bad change overall
dull obsidian
gold will have like 1/6th value unless someone comes with it for awhile
craggy parrot
That’s where we are at rn
past ginkgo
Those bots are slacking
craggy parrot
Nobody wants to spend because everything is too expensive
past ginkgo
rocky plume
4 same classes
i have 30
errant fable
thorny olive
Ishy has 100 of those
dull obsidian
The unimaginable amount of lvl 8s and 9s
craggy parrot
How is it unimaginable
tulip charm
Naw prob have 4900, nae 100
dull obsidian
because most the people who want 9s and 10s will be there
craggy parrot
Majority of the playerbase couldn’t even make a full set of 10s when fusing all their gems
dull obsidian
there are "better" things to spend gold on
dull obsidian
Majority of the playerbase couldn’t even make a full set of 10s when fusing all ...
Who has this as a goal in the mid or early lat egame
torn ether
gold will have like 1/6th value unless someone comes with it for awhile
only thing that would lose value are the gems
dull obsidian
?
fresh flint
Naw prob have 4900, nae 100
This would be true. Because as we know your shitty region prefers rmt/cheating
fresh flint
I have 4
turbid oriole
It's just a bad change overall
Did you watch what I linked
fresh flint
worldly hawk
then they're not endgame
endgame isn't average you fool
worldly hawk
and he wasn't
dull obsidian
do you have eyes?
worldly hawk
that's not the average player tho
dull obsidian
turbid oriole
I'm talking about the average of endgame players
What's endgame count as? having 6 hbrel
dull obsidian
5 nbrel 1 hbrel
turbid oriole
I'm not endgame then
fresh flint
turbid oriole
plaease open your eyes
craggy parrot
Average lmao
worldly hawk
Or I will open them for you
you will do nothing because you have no power over me
past ginkgo
full 8s? Honestly? Not even 10% of the endgame has it. You just see them more because you play the latest content
rocky plume
avg 22-66 T4 lv 10s
thorny olive
Did you watch what I linked
Ya
dull obsidian
average player still is 1x 1680 and 1-5x 1640-1660
they can't play the fucking game
past ginkgo
Like.. go do lower raids, there is barely people with 8s unless it's some alt roster andy
turbid oriole
you will do nothing because you have no power over me
dull obsidian
because of both skill level and gatekeep
thorny olive
they can't play the fucking game
XD
torn ether
skill level?
dull obsidian
if we include them
covert remnant
We got a pro here
dull obsidian
then the "average" person including those who have infinite 8s
torn ether
hows having low ilvl chars have anything to do with skill level
dull obsidian
th eaverage would be pulled down to 1-2 8s
past ginkgo
th eaverage would be pulled down to 1-2 8s
that's more like it
worldly hawk
th eaverage would be pulled down to 1-2 8s
that's literally what i said because you didn't specify engame player beforehand
thorny olive
The 20 people are being so vocal
turbid oriole
<a:yap:1281302133081374785>
dull obsidian
Desert has given me unfathomable brain damage
worldly hawk
spam it more
thorny olive
Ishytiny
fresh flint
Yeah spam more
craggy parrot
Blue names living up to their reputation
turbid oriole
Yeah spam more
Yeah spam more
worldly hawk
why? because you can't answer a question that was asked to you?
he asked for average player
not average endgame player
torn ether
even average for endgame cant be 10+ lvl8s
turbid oriole
Wait
torn ether
come on
turbid oriole
Who was that scooter player
thorn basin
even average for endgame cant be 10+ lvl8s
depends how you define endgame ig 
past ginkgo
Tbh unless you kept playing without any breaks... you won't have full level 8s, no shot lol.
turbid oriole
That joined late
worldly hawk
i think you don't understand what average means @dull obsidian
turbid oriole
Had this whole arc on Reddit
tulip charm
here is your average player on NAw
torn ether
depends how you define endgame ig <:Hmm:1107022049966313495>
full brel nm/hm
craggy parrot
1 or 6
fresh flint
Mordung
dull obsidian
i think you don't understand what average means <@178351236821549056>
I answered "average end game?"
craggy parrot
Yeah they don’t have 15+ 8s
worldly hawk
I answered "average end game?"
you answered your own question yourself before he answered you wdym
torn ether
however you define it ppl that have 1700 char lets say how many 8 gems do you think they have
dull obsidian
you answered your own question yourself before he answered you wdym
it still counts it was literally miliseconds apart?
he still answered yes to my question
covert remnant
he still answered yes to my question
I thought that was sarcasm😭
fresh flint
top 5% of players = average
Zheng. Aly. Deathboi.
craggy parrot
People are gonna buy gems not sell
dull obsidian
people are going to cash the fuck out too
covert remnant
If the gems were to be roster bound, there would def be pretty huge drop in gem prices
dull obsidian
Unlucky I guess I got too much brain damage
craggy parrot
It’d drop months after
worldly hawk
craggy parrot
But we don’t have the supple for that kind of demand yet
past ginkgo
Guys if I would be you, make more panic, let the panic go nuts honestly, tell people this shit sucks
tulip charm
past ginkgo
They all panic sell gems and crash market
fresh flint
craggy parrot
They all panic sell gems and crash market
Memo already doing this
past ginkgo
Memo already doing this
Stay gigachad. Spam noted.
uncut dirge
since we have new drama amazon isn't gonna make Road to Act 3 usable, right?
worldly hawk
until you prove it to me otherwise
fresh flint
since we have new drama amazon isn't gonna make Road to Act 3 usable, right?
Of course not.
bright scroll
<@1189424014242873394> what's your take on gem change
past ginkgo
demon damage
wintry depot
it doesnt
wintry depot
theres no arch demon bosses yet
tulip charm
wtf did morningstar get banned?
tulip charm
why i can't find the name, or i am mispelling it
turbid oriole
<:deadge:966909419264819220>
uncut dirge
just to put that 150m claim into perspective
worldly hawk
yeah but you said i would do 100m at 1660
past ginkgo
yeah but you said i would do 100m at 1660
nah doubt
uncut dirge
there's only one class that has a "best" above 150m in brel normal G1 in the 1670-1680 bracket
worldly hawk
i gained 30m dps from 1680
turbid oriole
net lives here
dull obsidian
literally level 7 gems
uncut dirge
if you posted em
tall mango
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1078274371543642133/1348279539519983719/L...
Piggies!!!!! now i'm cwaving bacon nyaaa é__è
dull obsidian
with 66.7% and 75% on my blunt thorn?
no karma
shittiest elixirs you had ever seen
1670
this is still the bugged narok meter btw
I bursted into shields
add an extra 15m
uncut dirge
well unless you're empress, death strike, EW, or igniter
turbid oriole
literally level 7 gems
uncut dirge
you could still set new records
wintry depot
i have giga dps okay ???
turbid oriole
i have giga dps okay ???
worldly hawk
you can't do more than 70m with lvl 7 gems
can you take your passive agressive attitude somewhere else?
worldly hawk
i called your ass out because you answered your own question and not understanding what average means now leave me the fuck alone
also my DPS varies greatly depending on how good my support is
if i play well buut my support is ass i won't do damage
wintry depot
like everyone else
worldly hawk
terry makes it sound like i should always do that type of DPS which just won't happen
turbid oriole
and swipe
dull obsidian
can you take your passive agressive attitude somewhere else?
can you
worldly hawk
worldly hawk
@wintry depot do i need to make a report or can you deal with it
tall mango
I SMELL BLOOD nyaaaa
turbid oriole
hey guys have you seen the gem changes in kr??? we should talk about it
no what are the changes
errant fable
happy family
fresh flint
# I SMELL BLOOD *nyaaaa*
slender sky
no what are the changes
turbid oriole
https://tenor.com/view/theres-an-aroma-stinks-smells-bad-gross-smelly-gif-337402...
thats just @sand marsh
worldly hawk
thats just <@429948941581418496>
ne he's bald
slender sky
ye he stood in the sun for too long, that shiny dome started sweating profusely
worldly hawk
The difference... in a good support.
yeah i even had more CPM on my asura than the clear on a longer pull
tall mango
ne he's bald
He need Chris wig then nyaaa~
dull obsidian
@distant swallow there is noway
he posted his log
on asura with 50% FA
front attacking is ass
warm granite
i mean, if you start punching, and the boss moves, you just keep punching right
tall mango
dull obsidian
but "ceiling" 70m
warm granite
even though its not front
azure valley
56% FA 
worldly hawk
i mean, if you start punching, and the boss moves, you just keep punching right
if it's right at the beginning you can stop and reposition
worldly hawk
if you're in the middle of the mode you're mcfucked
warm granite
i see
turbid oriole
turbid oriole
dull obsidian
G1 is ass for FA
50% FA is still not good?
worldly hawk
50% FA is still not good?
brother man what from : "leave me the fuck alone" don't you understand
worldly hawk
50% FA is still not good?
do you even play breaker?
modest ravine
dull obsidian
do you even play breaker?
idk bro
Might be a you issue
G1 Brel normal Asura stats
also yes
I play breaker
just not asura
I still need to FA on burger king
dull obsidian
yeh one sec
average dropped 500k
infact the people above 1690 aren't even the people hitting the best
doing nm for a reason ig
worldly hawk
and that's why i'm not even going to bother that with a response
dull obsidian
azure valley
idk bro, if you’re at 50% FA maybe focus on improving your gameplay instead of blaming it all on sups
uncut dirge
it's the 1670s that are sitting at 114m peak
worldly hawk
aiight time to block people
mortal burrow
The median dps goes down if you look at only the 1690s compared to if you looked at 1680-1690
dull obsidian
mortal burrow
But that's prob people learning 🤷
dull obsidian
cannot handle statistics I get it its 2025
thorny olive
Ishy dealing that 25m DPS floor?
dull obsidian
real
mortal burrow
nono i was just pointing out something weird
dull obsidian
I actually can't even be on that statistics I don't play asura 
not talking about you ishdoan
thorny olive
I don't even play breaker but I'd probably lower the floor 
fresh flint
I don't even play breaker but I'd probably lower the floor <:rat_clown:960670447...
Fuckin same
uncut dirge
25m sounds like someone that died 3 minutes into the fight
and someone else uploaded the log
dull obsidian
simple class to play if you're bk
uncut dirge
or something like that
dull obsidian
asura slightly harder
uncut dirge
i thought bk was annoyingly clunky
asura felt way better to play
but i only played them for a short duration
worldly hawk
i thought bk was annoyingly clunky
iirc BK gets better with 1680
but before that yeah pretty clunk
mortal burrow
I heard it gets worse
dull obsidian
otherwise very good imo
mortal burrow
At 1680
worldly hawk
idk i don't play BK
mortal burrow
A lot of people I know hate the new rotation
dull obsidian
every third rotation you lose EOTS
its like slayer where you lose brutal and volcanic every third rota
worldly hawk
i'm thinking about switching to the nebula crusher asura build
would have to learn the rotation again tho
tulip charm
yeh one sec
is there a median counter for the most dead on the floor class?
dull obsidian
don't think so
uncut dirge
is there a median counter for the most dead on the floor class?
it wouldn't work really
thorny olive
is there a median counter for the most dead on the floor class?
Paladin
tulip charm
don't think so
uncut dirge
becauset he uploaded logs are already gonna be inflated
and dead people slow down the dps of everyone else
so people aren't gonna upload dead people as much as is average
dull obsidian
I would assume summoner to be the most deaths when there is a summoner in the raid though
immobile ahh class
uncut dirge
if this uploading thing was turned on by default then stts like that could be more meaningful
dull obsidian
but highest death is probably deathblade or zerk due to how many of them there are
uncut dirge
zerk? many?
azure valley
is there a median counter for the most dead on the floor class?
Arti
thorny olive
I mean median for most dead on the floor would probably be SE simply because 90% of people has one
azure valley
op zerks
thorny olive
Nerf zerk
azure valley
true
thorny olive
but highest death is probably deathblade or zerk due to how many of them there a...
How did u forget SE
Ishydisabled
uncut dirge
i guess in hard mode zerks are popular
nvm
NE SEs are slowly turning into full moon
i wonder if FMH will overtake RE in popularity
uncut dirge
yeah, artis die in G2, not G1
thorny olive
NE SEs are slowly turning into full moon
NE is D tier
uncut dirge
why not F tier?
thorny olive
Probably
dull obsidian
I think NE is like mid a atm
thorny olive
I think NE is like mid a atm
Falls below control Glaivier and co-summoner
thorny olive
azure valley
I think NE is like mid a atm
NE kinda dog, can't get dmg off
uncut dirge
i think the way Z works
even if you can cycle it properly, it's so long and has to come at the end of SS
that players are likely to either not be able to cast it or miss it
because the boss is doing something and you need to hold on an extra half a second
and SS just runs out without Z
thorny olive
The way Z works is the boss moves 2m and it misses after a 20s long animation
uncut dirge
yeah or that
burnt tree
Z isnt the biggest issue
dull obsidian
NE kinda dog, can't get dmg off <:Sadge:882711949668937748>
no clue how it fully works
thorny olive
that players are likely to either not be able to cast it or miss it
This happens when I get slapped on the floor
dull obsidian
but I play with good NE's and they pump
burnt tree
meter falling off in cutscenes is ass
azure valley
no clue how it fully works
build meter to go into mode, then you can use your T and Z which is big dmg
burnt tree
and new raids have too many cutscenes
dull obsidian
I think class would be like
thorny olive
but I play with good NE's and they pump
Everyone you play with are god's I think
dull obsidian
5% better
azure valley
but your meter decays over time so when bosses phase fast you dont even go into mode
burnt tree
also T not critting is 
burnt tree
NEs biggest damage being in soul snatch only feels so asss
with the meter decay on top
thorny olive
Backloaded af
dull obsidian
look at my sf crit rate
burnt tree
and how fast bosses phase atm
thorny olive
look at my sf crit rate
Should be like 50%
burnt tree
but i still dont wanna play FMH on god
thorny olive
but i still dont wanna play FMH on god
Clunky poo
thorny olive
People play FMH for big number/homework cuz NE sucks at both
thorny olive
I just giga low rolled all raid
Still outdpsing every class
thorny olive
thorny olive
My Aya, bard and WD do hm
Surprisingly hm doesn't hurt at all on my bard
(heavy armor xDD)
GT too powerful
worn current
thorny olive
Tiny
thorny olive
Am very poor now
wintry depot
GT too powerful
total blocked - given
thorny olive
thorny olive
200k u bitch
wicked blade
rocky plume
thorny olive
wicked blade
T4 is so God damn expencive
thorny olive
Fr
wicked blade
storm bronze
Vora is 1740 T4 is free 
rocky plume
thorny olive
Everything is free for Vora
wicked blade
My Aya, bard and WD do hm
Ayaya respectable...
Bard and WD? Throw them in the garbage
Delete from roster
Thank u
thorny olive
Delete from roster
Don't be mean
storm bronze
I'm free for vora 
wintry depot
bard is pretty nice
thorny olive
Now I have to wait and see when I get banned
Vora RMT
wintry depot
way better than in t3
thorny olive
Ya
storm bronze
Banned for being f2p ?
rocky plume
wicked blade
it trash to me 😛 would never make one 😛 dont like playing blades ^^
Respectfully sir, u play no skill classes
So can't relate
thorny olive
Don't worry, they don't understand the language
rocky plume
game director
swift magnet
Respectfully sir, u play no skill classes
respectfully i play what i like and feeling fun to me. if i dont think its fun to me its trash to me personally 😛
storm bronze
Blade players are wanna be that can't play arcana
wicked blade
What server are u on Vora? 
thorny olive
So can't relate
Since when did blade become a skill class 
wicked blade
Since when did blade become a skill class <:artistThink:1087404675994747012>
Since forever
thorny olive
Since forever
wicked blade
swift magnet
erhabene xD make it drunken 😛
storm bronze
Evergrace was after first merge
rocky plume
erhabene xD make it drunken 😛
its the 1735 title
turbid oriole
https://tenor.com/view/cat-wait-im-goated-pineapple-gif-1866711197257641569
cat pov
swift magnet
its the 1735 title
wintry depot
he is
rocky plume
tall mango
Isn't Vora euc?
EUC sewvews
tall mango
Oh we wre on the same nyaaa
thorny olive
Sinkovsky?
Saturn
wintry depot
sinkovsky is the cheat guy
tall mango
You have more char then me
I need to cweate one more nyaa~
swift magnet
sinkovsky is the cheat guy
storm bronze
Sinkovsky still playing ?
uncut dirge
are we back to the days
where you can't raid during prime time
because the servers are "full" (of bots)
tall mango
And holy water
Holy watew is bad for me nya... I'm possessed D:
uncut dirge
because it doesn't load you into the raid or into the next zone
storm bronze
Piimpollo alt account
wicked blade
Holy watew is bad for me nya... I'm possessed D:
Any grown up man who plays Ayaya classes needs holy water and his life decisions questioned
Imo
thorny olive
i know that he exist and thats it
Naw, asuun was on our server I think
tall mango
Any grown up man who plays Ayaya classes needs holy water and his life decisions...
What is ayaya?
rocky plume
no gienah
swift magnet
Naw, asuun was on our server I think
asuun was gienah
thorny olive
Oh
storm bronze
Any grown up man who plays Ayaya classes needs holy water and his life decisions...
Aly ?
wicked blade
What is ayaya?
Specialists
rocky plume
he was eclipse member
thorny olive
asuun was gienah
So yours the RMT server
storm bronze
swift magnet
So yours the RMT server
storm bronze
tall mango
Specialists
Aahh okies
rocky plume
wów was RMT too
queen grail
Ok, @burnt tree 
I need to get some raids done 
And I did in fact sleep to much.
tall mango
well i don't rly play it nyaa...
It's my chaos trash char
rocky plume
So yours the RMT server
rocky plume
he was the first player with esther 8 on arcturus
thorny olive
Yet the elixirs are shit and accessories not impressive
wintry depot
<:artistcaught:1221932086466707486>
rocky plume
he was last time online 4month ago
wicked blade
he was last time online 4month ago
Perma?
thorny olive
Saw the gem change ahead of time
queen grail
he was last time online 4month ago
I can't say 100% but there's a slim chance he sold his account and someone took over for a while
thorny olive
rocky plume
my accessories
wicked blade
I can't say 100% but there's a slim chance he sold his account and someone took ...
Smart
thorny olive
my accessories
Fix them
wicked blade
queen grail
tiny corpa
rocky plume
Why do I have better accesories then Vora
i cant find 3x high dmg lines
thorny olive
<:wahoo:1288727601032204288> tiny corpa
rocky plume