#lost-ark-discussions
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It's more that, I can clear it, I know all the mechs until 0x and 0x only adds a bit of a difference, and in G1 the harder gate I had pretty high uptime so that should be fine.

Honestly, fuck raids
I gonna do what I did in Warframe to make fortune
Sit on market and buy low sell high

Give
20% profit
Oh tomorrow is chaos gate
I buy every bag under 290 and all lava below 580
Can sell for 630 and 310 day after

Isn't it field boss tomorrow


red balls


brother you are going to be undercut so fast

Definitely not because were both euc

i can craft like a shit ton of em
its the people who just didnt do the una or missed some days
t4 lucky cube rooms r so nice
caught in 8k



softly





heartbreak in one pic

Homelander please



This is cursed

I haven’t had a single fate in the past month
How many times do you log in within that month tho
0
gems to the moon
ban him
wtf how are my chaos dungeons done
this makes no sense
i need more character slots


10$ per slot is why i wont have mroe than 8
i bought 2, i dont think ill buy any more
rookie
damn orange gold
just make more alt rosters
24 rookie numbers too
But games kinda cooked right now so I'll wait
huh 
I technically have logged in a few times. But didn’t do anything past claim some twitch drops.
we are not at 24 anymore bozo
we have 26 classes my man
@burnt tree I was last alive.
wait wtf is that?
I was the last to die
Jumped around alone with her for a while.
@burnt tree I had 99 brand last run but I mitigated more this time.

i want the new cloud mount but it was grossly overpriced last I checked
Yeah
if it ever drops to around 50k where it should be I'll get one I think
but still a bit too expensive
i just went ahead of grabbed it
bc originally they were all liste dfor 80k

idk what color to get tho holy shit
what dis?
nice
yep
This mount is cool as shiiiiit
hm?
yep
Why is G2 Hard P1 harder than both P2 and P3 combined.
feels the same in normal mode to me
brel g1 has 3 phases
@uncut dirge
hm 4
I think I'm going to get the lightning one or the red one
not 100% sure yet

which part?
why do you even
bozo
welcome to honing.
I spent like 800k from 1675 > 80 @wicked blade 
huh
I'm not starting another character
i spend 800k to get 1680-1690

I onetapped this tho


Sir, I have credit card
no advanced honing?

It is ignite character
I didn't play at that time bozo
This shit expencive as hell

yeah I personally wouldnt bother unless that's a new main
well it's like people's expecations with gems
shit is definitely not worth it and wont pay itself back for an ungodly amount of time
they expect you to have built up a large amount of gems (mats for AH) prior to when a lot of people started playing/came back
It will
In 2y

yeah i think im gonna have to park sorc at 1680 too
expectations for 1690+ are way too high in terms of gear
Yeah
and since sorc is on my original roster i can't get books on her
single char just can't make enough gold to pay for all of this
this one actually good
I havent really used those scroll things yet
every time you press ilvl increase
make sure you juice every time that the top right corner thing fills up
that means blues + scrolls
but only on those taps
don't use them otherwise
do the scroll things make it a lot cheaper or is it kind of meh since you get so few
depends on your rng
meh

I got 4 pieces of armors to 10 before I was down to 2-3 armor scolls
yes
stop eatin
pray that you get scrolls from the event fate embers
Good shit

upgrading relic bracelet to ancient gives you a new line/slot like t3 bracelets?
Yes
it upgrades the lines to
The other grp is griefing.
The other grp are 3 reclearer and friend sup 
I'm honing main

for me my goal is 1700 then saving

gonna need to AH my 10-20 too
last event we got 3500
plus u dont do a hone session without a large amount of mats lmfao
I literally used 3 months of saved mats
- pouches
- bought
T4 is ass
did you spend 400k and not even hit 1670
So you basically weren't playing much


If you're really rage honing, just buy 5000 leaps & 200k blue & 100k fusion and then re-sell after you're done.
U tell me
And then just

I want to hit full +20 and then chill

I'm not giving shit to SG anymore
Hm shards did you have before you started
why are raids giving me bound gold and regular gold

Oh shit, I'm running out of those aswell
So you had nothing lol

Where is that I'm going to buy T4Lv.10 vigor?
Sir, I used shit ton of them
shoulda just bought the gem
Did you have
because that's how old raids were recently changed to be

I pittied 1 armor and weapon
I didn't ask hm yo have rn

I'm closer to uninstalling then actually doing anything in this game
To cover cost of gems, honing to 1680 (on one character) I need to raid for 2 years
That is not happening

What gems
T3 lvl 10 and T4 lvl 8
me when i do reddit math
LOL

How does this surprise anyone
Does meter actually tempers with game files tho?
Meter isn't required for anything. Its purely vanity.
like we know it's against ToS and they have a stance on not allowing the use of it

why would anyone thinks it's okay to advertise its use by using in on stream is beyond me
yeah
exactly
no one is getting banned for meter
youre getting banned for meter if your iq equals room temperature and you display it on your screen while streaming
people are honing in this game?
they should also be happy that they got a ban on the game for a short period rather then AGS going for their twitch account
for that amount of stupidity it should just be an instant perma and not a 10min warning shot
free taps count brother
^
i know
Also, let's not forget something.
R0cky while using Meter.
Is ULTRA toxic.
Like, holy hell how toxic 
how do you think it gets its data
youre also toxic 
Intercepting packages?
No I'm not.
And I also don't flame people in-game or call them out on a stream using meter.
Yumis toxic
i mean still does smth to them
Tempering with game files and intercepting packages is not the same
pov:rage hone
I'm still doing it
ok but meter is how i find out whos the dude doing 35 mill as a 1690 in our brel run (he had asura gems and build on but for some reason was playing brawl king skills) 
wdf
Asura King breaker
yes, but the 3rd party program is still against tos
it mean it might just be a blanket reason
i just spent all of my gold on mounts , cbf to have the motivation to do anything other than sit
It's sadly irrelevant what it does or does not, if they have said "don't do it", and you do it, then you open yourself up to a ban.

twitch probably wouldn't do anything
Their game = Their rules.
If they had a rule that you couldn't dye your skin in multicolour, it would be a stupid rule, but It's still a rule 
but how else will i detect the 40% uptime support in the other party 😭
i know SE does that for ppl using dps meter on twitch in FFXIV
surprised AGS did it
Twitch definitely does

Don't missunderstand, I don't like that It's against TOS either, but personal feelings aside It's just what it is, rules are rules.
not on something so flimsy
they could cause it breaks the tos of the game 
thats being streamed on their platform
twitch isn't exactly trending upwards either
doesnt need to
I'm in the camp of "Nuke meters from orbit. They've lost their purpose."
its not like losing rocky will affect twitch xd
Not just on Lost Ark, but any game with them
the moment someone claims lost ark without meter is unplayable is when they gotta go from the game
it is
like aeron
No. It isn't.
he gotta go man
would probably be dead without it
1700+ drops relics only i think
bring back 10x cube pack plz
then u should go back to WoW 
It would be completely fine. Meters are purely vanity, they do not serve the purpose people proclaim they do.
Nah, I have to disagree, only a small but sadly loud miniority uses meter in a toxic manner towards player's, the rest just use it to flex and improve.
This is from doing countless raids a week and the chat.
Now, what people do behind "closed doors" is for them, If they want to shit talk on voice then whatever.
also if u need meter so badly the game becomes unplayable then dont say koreans suck even once
lmao
it's the one thing that makes reclear raids in this game interesting
people would definitely play the game less
which also means more players quitting
It's objectivly easier to improve your playing if you have meter as you can get details on what you actually did, this is twice as true for support, 
the game doesn't offer anywhere near enough feedback to make it satisfying without it
I could likely count on one hand, maybe two, the amount of times on this Discord where people are discussing how to improve using meter.
The rest is "hey look at my damage" and "Hey look at these people lololol"
it's a measuring stick
I mean, that's because why would you "flex improvments that you're working on" ? 
the improvement is supposed to come elsewhere
it just tells you whether youre doing well or not
^ first is okay
Meter in MH was literally what made me become good at the game, same thing with lost ark, data matters. Flaming others isn’t
It’s two different things
Just because people don't share "Today I did XYZ better than last week" does not take away feedback improvements, and ofc the most posted will be "Yo, check how good I did it".
in my opinion, meter is about as essential to the game as damage numbers
would it work without them? sure
would it feel as fun to play? yeah, no way
I can tell you 100% I am right now not even sure If I should be playing with Build A or build B during Prog because I can't get an accurate reading on "Is this A or B working well", so I have to either A) Ask someone, or B) go by feel, and we all know how fickle the "feel" is when you think you're doing something well in a game.
Hard indisputable number's with context is king for improvement.
Well to begin with it wouldn't be flexing, it would be for advice if sharing it for that purpose.
Which the vast majority of cases where its being shared it is not for that
What advice is there to ask for though
I literally spammed infinite argeos at the start of t4 with AP unlocked to figure out what was BIS, using data. Because nexus had no updated NE build
Ye, but, why would I just share my advice out randomly? There's no context to do that most of the time.
However, If someone showed me their gameplay & meter I could give them proper feedback and advice based on that.
Most the time it’s just oh my damage is bad I need to press the button more often let me go do that
dps meter helped me improve my gameplay by 0%
Meter is what tells you you didn’t clicky the button on the boss enough
Congratulations, you also don't use meter, and you play support.
You do? Like 99% of your end-game proper playing is what? Support.
ah yeh

I have never disputed they provide useful information, I have always however disputed whether that information is valuable enough to warrant the cons that come with it.
Also, no one is making the argument "You can't play well with no meter"
And I firmly believe its not worth.
Well, for me it's not a question of whether the information is even particularly valuable, but fun.
The argument is "You will arguably improve if you have hard data to back up your context and playing".
Seeing improvement from week to week (or month to month) is what makes some of these snoozefest raids fun to do for the 500th time
your visual feedback if you suck at the game is the floor uptime
Doing 30-40 raids a week, + watching stream + talking to friends that raid, maybe NA is differente, but I see almost zero cons (If by cons, you mean toxicity).
i dont need meter when i see a guy spend 90% of his time on the ground because he cant dodge
me
I mean, good for you? But how is this an argument? This is like me saying "It's shown by study that doing X Activity is a good way to build core muscles" and then you say "I never have to do that to build core muscles"
Sir I just played with a paladin with 7% on his atk buff
He didn’t hit the floor once.
i don't even particularly care about seeing the stats of others on it, just my own accumulated numbers
technically you could just scour recordings and add all of them up, but aint no way anybody does that
Meter is essential for support. No arguing that.
??
WoW disproves this concept daily, though. Meter is much more widely and easily available on WoW than Lost Ark and the average WoW player...
Just being a contrarian to be one is just tiresome, if you find no value in meter, then, fine, don't find any value in it.
But meter 100% is an objective good way to improve based on data if you use that + context of playing to see where or what you're lacking and struggling with during a raid/prog/whatever.
i've been in groups that have postponed raiding for an entire day because meter didn't work on wednesday
Weird that your not reading what he's saying
Oh? Because I raided wow for 10 year's and Meter was essensial for pushing the pinical of dps.
And pushing your own narrative
also, i felt the same way in WoW honestly
doing naxx the first few times was fun
but after that it was pumping the meter on the polarity boss with heroic strike spam that made me look forward to it
to see higher numbers
Pinnacle. Height. Highest. Top. That is the smallest subset of players.
is phantom manifester x10 title?
People using meter just to look at pretty number's don't take away that It's a great tool for feedback for people that want to improve their gameplay.
I think so
A player that don't want to improve wouldn't do so either way you shake it.
I have never once disputed that it is such a thing.
for 20 minutes
I mean yea he had two weeks
You can even read above that I said that.
we had 1 supp, just needed the other one
Enough to finish
No but I assume you mean the "downside" was toxicity? Or do you think there's something else bad with it?
Although x10 title is mid
he ended up bringing his
1705 gs to aegir normal
and we still waited like 5+ minutes 
idk what the hell is going on on EUC aegir this week
The downside is the toxicity, and the vast majority of uses for it are not for improvement. People either have it to just have it, or its purely for vanity.
it seems to go beyond gatekeeping
You don't think toxicity is a down side?
The people pushing the "peak" content are likely the ones using it for its intended purposes
Most other people, not really.
Most avg players
It's for sure not a big enough downside that you're going to convince me that meter is bad.
But, as I said, maybe NA is different, I do 30+ raids a week and I encounter almost zero toxicity with meter as the baseline reason.
Thats why I dispute that its "essential" for anything. it isn't.
Cus people will shut them down
I also don't agree with "People that just have it for vanity" is a downside, let people look at their numbers
people that don't want to improve using a tool won't improve regardless of what you do.
the only time i hear somebody imply meter in game
is when some lobby disbands and like 4 guys all apply
you accept all 4
and 2 of them leave or ask to kick the other 2 "because they were low dps"
you know whats funny, when wow released the support class it was "S-Tier" in everything but people gatekept them because they looked at dps meter and the class didnt do high dmg, thats the average iq meter users have
The only time I typed anything about meter was
If someone has the bible read my personal verse
Aka tell me my dps
Pretty much it
Cus I forgot to run it
Right, like I do in WoW. Shit I do use it in WoW just to see where I'm at, but I don't overall care. If people want to look at their own numbers, fine, but its not a necessity to have meters for the average player.
At the end of the day if we cleared the dungeon/raid
Fuck if I care
I'd like to add "For the average player that don't want to improve their gameplay".
Because why would you not get proper feedback on what you're doing?
I mean, we play meta builds for a reason ye? It's to play the best and do our best.
Other side of the argument is, is removing someone from the raid toxic
If you flame someone for not doing damage sure
But if you just say we can’t clear with you gl next group
And remove someone
I’m sure it’s like opinion based af at that end
Depends on how you do it.

But ultimately if someone doesn’t want to play with another person they shouldn’t have to for like any reason
"meta slaving" is another topic altogether and its born of the status quo that has evolved due to streaming and content creation just putting so much emphasis on "efficiency" over anything else.
I understand the thinking behind it, I even participate, but this stuff does create underlying issues
Where my embers
nice honing ches
I mean, maybe, but with the way prog-raids are, not running the most effective is a surefire way to not clear it.
Sure, I agree, because with Lost Ark thats just how its designed which can be counted as a fundamental flaw in it.
Build diversity in this game is almost null
game has enough build choices to screw yourself over
but at least these days redoing it costs you basically nothing
unlike in the past
solo raids teaching supports how to dps 
oh wait, i guess you could buy the wrong relic books
They have built in "bait" choices
but previously you could mess up the entire build and spend weeks worth of gold on it
and then have something unplayable
These idiots picks a Paladin sup with this over my Artist 
Lost ark randomized who’s down
I would too
Fuck the midget

Random skills random tripods
yea, let's not bring the high-uptime Artist with multi-cleanse & instant heal & top-tier mitigation 
And let's bring this sup with trash bracers 
But ayayas are annoying
That pally could be the greatest pally player of our generation
Gimme the based rice eater gold seller pala
You can never know
Objectively incorrect
Sadly
We have stats now
for my deathblades
I know the entire freaking dungeon 
Transfer to t4
whenever they get to t4 XD
omni-directional buffs > you
Oh ok
can you please get relic 8%
90/100/60
I even had this in G1 @obtuse oyster 
And has identity and t up for every skill
posting your bracelet and using this neck
Why they take pala

You clearly have not seen the amount of 🐒 damage dps take in G2 and I spam moonfall 
Also, the difference between 2,5 and 8 is 0,55 
at least you know why they took the pala 
How much party damage is this? I'm sure you know the math behind it @charred void
ask the lobby leader
You replace.
I have ancient neck at 8%
Nah, I just keep them alive.
Paid it 50k

It's double that now.
I'm not buying it now.
Ye no shit

Also, I'm pretty sure 2,1% def + 2,5% AtkPowerEnch is more than 0,55 Brand in terms of team power.

When people were holding because surely prices will go down with brel
I knew they wouldnt
Surely this sells to some support feller soon 
surely
Same else I woulda kept for mine xd
The like 500k ish it’s prob worth is not worth the 3.6 serenade for me tho
The gold more useful elsewhere u.i
could use the 500k to roll bracelet which gives infinite more playerpower than the shitty 3,6% meter gen
man fuck this system


its just honing 3.0

I don’t even want to think how much upgrading that gonna cost
i only spend 150k for 1 blue line
Ye i bought a cheap relic for like 500 and upgraded it
Tbh cheap relic into upgrade seems like the play for getting pretty decent bracelets
yes
Gg bracelet
90 swift + 3 lines starts at like 20k ancient
Domination but whatever
Got this thing on my arcana last night from some random drop off brel nm
Prob not going to be replacing it anytime soon
My slayer is still sad tho
No luck from the stuff I mailed over to it
15 minutes to stack that? 

It’s like a 2.5% damage line iirc

Did you see what i rolled aly on my new 1670
Bracelet

No, was it good?



Good one ye
wdf
No grps for me right now 
Time to do a chaos and then check again.
Thinking about going to bed and try prog early.
the c.dmg one is better right

Fuck female pala
i would if i could

If ur class is nonpositional I find it difficult to think left is better tbh
prob is reaper and lethal spinning have back attack modifiers
i play ne se
Someone just said "my gem's will impact my uptime too much" @wintry depot ignoring my 2x Lv'8s on ap buff.

2 back to back
yea but like my 2nd highest dps skill doesnt get the non directional modifer

Can someone help me in hanmatan pls?
be born in a guy in the next life, 90% chance on noone wanting to sit next to you 
I wish i was a guy ngl
never have to worry about random attention or people bothering you because you're a girl
just gotta worry about everything else
Emit threatening aura and look annoyed angle
Just be ugly that works too
If u can’t make the g1 check with scrolls and jederico
You prob aren’t making g2 either
Ngl
I don't know man, you know what they say, the grass green and whatnot.
Jederico does lots of dmg
i wasnt sure if you could go G2 HM by clearing G1 NM
ok ok tnx
building egirl pc
its gonna have hyte Y70 with screen and screen aio and all argb and pink
2000$+ with 12400F and 4060
i hate everything
building it for yourself or someone else?
someone else lol
i am complaining
my head is about to fall off
but this is what happens when its all aesthetics
I’d like to build a white and pink pc for myself, but I really don’t wanna pay like 20% more for the same shit just in a different color.
fr, I hate when people build pcs with horrible p2p ratio
that pc could have double the performance for 2k, maybe more if u didnt invest into rgb and pink
i think with this budget i could put in 4070S and 7800x3d
p12 set + 100$ case
pa120


It is much more then 20%
Make it double pretty much
the colour tax is like +40%
Eh, my friend’s build I did last year was about 20% more.
@analog path I may go for 7600
Maybe 30%

all white mobo for 200
Or a rx 7900 xt, but no one seems to consider amd XD
white 4060 500$
i usually don't amd out of habit becuz i need cuda
This is a reason why I gave up on all white PC

And I run cuda on AMD?
What is ur point
cuda cores

what do you mean
amd don't have cuda core
I mean if ur doing more than gaming then sure
but for a pure gaming pc, amd always has the better fps per penny ratio
Yes
Still easier and less annoying to be a man

lmfao

🧢
it depends on what you're thinking of tbh
Let’s avoid discussions about gender.
life in general
not what I meant, but greenie said to stop 
yeah i missed the topic of discussion so idk regarding what xD
I dont like people trying to come to me and try to flirt

Tho female chars are better than male chars i agree
More skins
and most men dont like no one ever coming to them and try and flirt if they fucked up the 50/50 at birth, like dude said, grass is always greener on the other side
Why is every male skin garbage
Except 6th anni ones
Males are better there
Expecially gunners
Because kr has no skin taste
I prefer the meta where girl comes to talk to you jokingly, while a band of girl friends behind her are laughing 
Check what mage gets every year
mages not important anyway
Yeah
Yup
I may honestly push my 1640 EVO to 1660
But I'm not going past that
Because fuck this game and T4 cost
Lemme change your mind on that shawty

I'm 2/0 for pity so far trying to hit 1670
same
I pitied 15 weap but 2 tapped 16

Average 
I dont really like the korean approach to fashion, like the basic armor u find in the game all looks majorly the same just recolored and if u dont want your chars to look like NPCs there is no choice but to swipe or grind a few months for gold
Sir, it costed me 540k to go to 1668

Weapon killed me
skill issue

send gem,s when you do

kay ty

No to me
You are not Elpon
Im on eu
Just click better
I need them more 
pity most consistent way of honing
dude, ah blessed me on my 1670 to 1680 journey
I know it's memes and all, but I know a guy that legitimately hits 70-80% artisan on everything
he's so miserable
nah, the player base is
not even
6% demon dmg or bust
time for another ignite event
system you won't be interacting with for half the year
you're not even 1680, why are you worrying about ah30-40
Cuz if I get there, I will have to deal with it
But that is not probable
Cuz I'm already burned

take a break
come back in feb with the ap rework
No, I just have more important things in life now
what could be more important than +25 glow
gf is temporary, glow is eternal
I'm moving to Germany in summer because of my gf

i see that as an absolute win
nice 
MAYBE THIS IS THE GROUP!
Says the single guy 
He wouldn't play LOA if he was taken

He would do other activities
Real
I touch grass when I go to class, work, or the gym
go sleep
No.
The grp that declined me over a silly reason has changed sup twice. and twice it was a stinky one.
youre stinky

P1 is like, twice as hard.
Oh damn arna throwing shade
we wiped a lot in the first mech
shes a combo master in p1



anyone wanna huff gasoline together
@obtuse oyster
Smite him Zeus.
tf

Where are all the sups for Skolakia bro

im not complaining since i have paladins but its jus strange to see
considering its not a shortage in brel
all the supports are staring at brel partyfinder trying to get a party











last phase ye











