lost-ark-discussions

[uncut dirge]

protip: you can join lobbies while in a quest dungeon

[bold aspen]

aint you gay ?

[cunning mesa]

getting alts up back then was so easy i miss it

[analog path]

you could also have been trolled by rng, though

[fresh flint]

idk i think im bi

who knows

im not tryna find out tho

[obtuse oyster]

hell no

[cunning mesa]

1 week and you could have a fully functional t3 alt

[bold aspen]

tf you mean you think ?

[dense canyon]

Man I really need to use my lifeskil. I have like 50 and 70 pots for that shit. Did you all switch to logging or did you stay as exca? Talking about solo life skil

[fresh flint]

LMAO

[uncut dirge]

the most important thing was to not manually level classes

[obtuse oyster]

that shit was cooked af before we actually started getting events

[uncut dirge]

should've always waited for events

[cunning mesa]

t1 to 3 was fast if you did kt to vern

[uncut dirge]

i've done level 10 to 50 like 8 times total

[fresh flint]

some women make my worm wiggle\

[cunning mesa]

and then did a bit of tower

[uncut dirge]

and i've done yorn like 15 times

[obtuse oyster]

t2 to t3 and then 1100 to 1370 was the most cooked zone since release

[analog path]

what

i remember that

[bold aspen]

[analog path]

Fucking argos launch

[fervent ibex]

loggings just as good as excav, in terms of gold. the benefits of logging is that its faster (with a partner). the benefits of excav is that you might hit a Relic Kit and make an extra like 20k gold

[fresh flint]

bro that 110-1370 area bout nearly made me kms

[analog path]

noooobody was able to get into argussy

[turbid oriole]

Imagine not getting piece drop from cd

[dense canyon]

And where do you exca nowadays?

[uncut dirge]

the most fun i had was the first or second week the T2 underwater dungeon

alaric was so fun

[fresh flint]

there was a shit ton of greyzones during honing

[fervent ibex]

i mean, there's only 1 T4 map lol

[obtuse oyster]

earning like less then 2k gold for raids, but needing 5k just to go up on 1 piece if you pity was sooo fun

[dense canyon]

North kurzan on north east side near the teleporter?

[fervent ibex]

HUH???

[analog path]

wouldn't you also go into g2 3 argos underlevelled
so half your attacks didn't do shit

[uncut dirge]

i remember we went into alaric with like

[fresh flint]

[uncut dirge]

6 berserkers, 1 gunlancer and my sorc

[fervent ibex]

T4 exca bro, whatchu talking about north vern

[turbid oriole]

1234 12334

[fervent ibex]

???

[cunning mesa]

1340-1370 was awful ok yeah but getting 1340 for oreha wasnt that bad

[dense canyon]

North kurzan, my bad

[turbid oriole]

[analog path]

remember when we looked at gunlancer as a support

[fresh flint]

LMAOOOI

[uncut dirge]

ironically, my first clear of that one was so early that all the players there were good

[fresh flint]

[analog path]

no 1340 was OK

[fervent ibex]

yeah only the T4 map is worth lifeskilling on lmao

[uncut dirge]

it was only the next week i realized why people were complaining

[dense canyon]

[obtuse oyster]

t3 still has value

[dense canyon]

That huh was comical @fervent ibex

[wicked blade]

@dense canyon 3.8b 31m 93%cc 95%cdmg

Is that good enough?

[dense canyon]

Ermmm

[wicked blade]

[dense canyon]

Imo, yes. But better ask in sh discors

[fervent ibex]

is this cuz of the recent event? this'll drop once people are done honing the new 1620, no?

[cunning mesa]

if the game had done some things better we would still have 100k players right

[fervent ibex]

or is it always competitive

[fresh flint]

always comp

it was like this before express

[fervent ibex]

but for why

[analog path]

i mean that's very broad, but yes

[fresh flint]

i dunno

good money tho

[obtuse oyster]

mix of events, people doing advance honing on t3 characters, and people pushing non t4 alts

[fervent ibex]

thats crazy, i gotta look at the Life Skilling tab more often, I just have a few of the Abidos items pinned

didnt think T3 items would be worth anything

[cunning mesa]

1600 to 1620 takes a lot of orehas

[fervent ibex]

not anything competitive at least*

[obtuse oyster]

1600 to 1620 is a honing blackhole

[uncut dirge]

and a lot of people do advanced honing

which is even more

[obtuse oyster]

so it keeps red orehas up in price

which in turns keeps t3 blues up

[fervent ibex]

yo speaking of this doomer ass honing zone, i got a doomer take about LOA ON:

[cunning mesa]

i havent been able yet

[fervent ibex]

everyones COPING about Transc/Elixir nerfs

[cunning mesa]

i unlocked it with 1640 chars

[fervent ibex]

we still have fucking Quality Taps as a gold sink, they're just gonna give out more "free tap" tickets

no fucking nerf

thats my hot take for LOA ON

[cunning mesa]

[uncut dirge]

if you made a new char now with the event currently

you could've advanced honed when you hit 1620

[analog path]

does LOA ON seriously save the game like that though
do we have historical evidence

[cunning mesa]

that char is 1600

not sure if i will finish the event bcs its too expensive

[fresh flint]

shit no

[uncut dirge]

oh

[obtuse oyster]

my bingo list has them leaving 1600 to 1620 unchanged but making 0 to 1580 the new silver only honing

[fresh flint]

Previous loaon was good

Had everyone hyped

Now same ppl are back to shitting on game

It's a cycle of redundancy

[uncut dirge]

1620 should be silver only, but i agree with you, i think your take is more likely

[fervent ibex]

was that the one where they completely fumbled and had to do 3 emergency streams?

or was that the one before that

[obtuse oyster]

nah

1620 should cost gold

[fresh flint]

I dunno, I only watched 1 stream

[obtuse oyster]

I rather not have people crashing the market in t4 and inflating the economy

[uncut dirge]

i mean, everything below 1610 is nerfed in gold earning

[cunning mesa]

if they change the formula a bit they will have everyone hyped again hook me on that heavy copium

[uncut dirge]

inflation is good tho

it means that honing costs less compared to the gold you have

[analog path]

Lol loa players will always shit on the game

[obtuse oyster]

how is your gold losing value good

[fresh flint]

Well this loaon should be decent -- coping for new class drop

[obtuse oyster]

that is 0 thought

[uncut dirge]

because a reasonable player doesn't really buy much, their main gold expense is honing and the game systems

[cunning mesa]

i cant even afford more classes

[fresh flint]

If the class looks cool, if we get the info, I am def into it

[analog path]

bruh but the gold you get from raids is still the same
inflation = bad

[uncut dirge]

you'd have to swipe or rmt to have so much left over gold that it would have a major impact on you

[fervent ibex]

at least 1600 silver, surely? 😭 having 1580 as the "starter" is so useless at this point, they already give out full Akkan and Lv3 sets with passes

[cunning mesa]

i can only get my old alts up now

[obtuse oyster]

I would pray, but bare minimum 1580 needs to be silver only

[fresh flint]

Every new class release comes with PP+Express so it would be free honestly.

[obtuse oyster]

like players make no gold for the cost to hone from 1540 to 1580

[cunning mesa]

slots 😦

[fresh flint]

Or at the very least a powerpass

[obtuse oyster]

and the vertical progresison doesn't evne start till 1600

[fresh flint]

Oh we need to make gofundme I see

[obtuse oyster]

like it's such a bad place to be without boost events

[cunning mesa]

nono, i do have the money for more

[fervent ibex]

I think they won't do free 1620 for a long time, cuz they want people to experience their "peak raid design", Thaemine

[cunning mesa]

i just dont wanna spend more on lost ark

[obtuse oyster]

I don't ever expect them to do free 1620 till we are going into t5 or some shit

[uncut dirge]

i have a lot of old 1560ish chars

[obtuse oyster]

cause 1620 is t4

[uncut dirge]

even getting level 3 set costs a lot of gold lmao

[analog path]

i got 1620 from ignite

[fresh flint]

Delete one

[fervent ibex]

Global EoS before then, you're coping if you think we last that long

siri, remind me 2 years from now to laugh at Icee

[cunning mesa]

i love them all XD

[wicked blade]

Surelly

[obtuse oyster]

who said it was for us

[fresh flint]

I too, love all 12 of my characters

[analog path]

for KR only

[fervent ibex]

[analog path]

[cunning mesa]

and i too stupid to pull properly a flavor of the month char

[fervent ibex]

[For KR audience only]

[obtuse oyster]

DUDE

[cunning mesa]

... i have 18 in main server then like 5 more spread

[analog path]

what if they EoS and then put the game back up just for Tier 5 so that they can milk one last time

[cunning mesa]

[fresh flint]

Ok but what if its like a super cool class

That looks so cool

[obtuse oyster]

You made me remember they purposely added that shit in on the 2nd loaon

[fresh flint]

That your butt explodes

[obtuse oyster]

cause of the western audience

[cunning mesa]

might delete my scraper then but i love her preset too much

[fervent ibex]

LOL

[turbid oriole]

Twink mage

[fresh flint]

That "For kr only" shit had me lAUGHING so hard

[analog path]

did they actually do that

yeah, that's fucked up

[fresh flint]

yes

well it was the only way to make sure it was known

cus rewards vary for region

[cunning mesa]

ok but actually. we talk about gold inflation or whatever but we never talk about character inflation

[fresh flint]

[obtuse oyster]

cause during the loaon with the inital western release people thought we were getting the same rewards that kr got

[wicked blade]

Oh cmon

[cunning mesa]

there's too many characters currently

[obtuse oyster]

eventually SG did give it to the west but it wasn't intended for us

[fresh flint]

That one time they excluded items they put INSIDE of the advertisement

[cunning mesa]

and we keep getting new ones

[fresh flint]

And then altered the ad

[fervent ibex]

it was also a bastardized version of KRs, we got half as many things

[turbid oriole]

We had Western exclusive skins

[obtuse oyster]

[fervent ibex]

bro never make a western exclusive skin again

neon cowboys

[fresh flint]

Western exclusive FOR SIX MONTHS

[turbid oriole]

We heard you looked anime

[fervent ibex]

that put me on SUICIDE WATCH

[fresh flint]

[turbid oriole]

Gives power Rangers skin

[analog path]

west exclusive censored skins

[wicked blade]

THOSE ARE WESTERN EXCLUSIVE?

They look like ass

[obtuse oyster]

budget Sailor moon skins you say

[fresh flint]

Yes

But theyre not west exclusive LMAO

[analog path]

that's whey they are west exclusive

[fervent ibex]

all the western exclusives have been ass

[wicked blade]

Still better then Neon

[analog path]

[fresh flint]

They were only west exclusive for like 6 months

[fervent ibex]

i think we only had 2? neon cowboys and then the Sailor Moon ripoff

[fresh flint]

Im pre sure kr is gonna get them if they wanted them

[obtuse oyster]

fr, even our "founder" exlusive with the release of western LA was ass

[cunning mesa]

then probably kr complained

[obtuse oyster]

like why the fuck are we getting viking themed skins man

[analog path]

ohh i remember those

[fresh flint]

i hope so

[turbid oriole]

Kr with global is like 12 year old trying to pick up a girl

[cunning mesa]

they dont have enough with being the loved child

[fresh flint]

cus that shit was ass

[fervent ibex]

all Founders shoulda gotten a refund, those were giga shit

[fresh flint]

.

[analog path]

the sorc skin with like lv. 900 hair clipping

[obtuse oyster]

fr, and holy shit the memes and tears about the intial classes on launch and the release schedule for classes

[fervent ibex]

nah but ive legit fought with my friends about this

[turbid oriole]

https://stupidpenisx.com/playlostark/status/1792689950346936730

[fervent ibex]

cuz i believe classes dont count as content

that shit should not be on a content release schedule

[fresh flint]

LMAOOO

[obtuse oyster]

the pacing was the dumbest for me

[fresh flint]

i had that shit

[cunning mesa]

[fresh flint]

post this again and im killing a small village

[obtuse oyster]

like 2-3 months initially to get a class and you had to hope the one you wanted was placed further up the chain

[turbid oriole]

[analog path]

also wasn't the gunslinger founder's skin
just a recolor of another skin

[cunning mesa]

i mean i can get it if they are short of time to implement everything

[analog path]

[cunning mesa]

but holy it felt bad

[fervent ibex]

remember when they pushed back a class for Aeromancer or something? LMFAO people were PISSED

cuz they had been waiting for that class

[analog path]

slayer?

[cunning mesa]

was it slayer

[analog path]

they wanted the jiggle physics

[fervent ibex]

oh did they push back Aero for Slayer? maybe thats what it was

[obtuse oyster]

The destroyer and glaiver incident was also kek

1 power pass, but 2 classes

[fervent ibex]

they did the same for Reaper/Scouter

[analog path]

i remember that

[fervent ibex]

back to back classes, 1 pass

[cunning mesa]

i didnt make either so powerpassed my bard (thank god bcs i wasnt doing msq on her)

thats how my story as a bard main began

[obtuse oyster]

the 1st ever power pass was ass, just got to go t2

[fresh flint]

I made a destroyer on release. Power passed his ass then fuckin deleted him.

[fervent ibex]

yo also, they treated classes like content, BUT THEN they released like Aero and BrelHM on the same patch, no? those inconsistent mfs

[obtuse oyster]

I made and power pass a glaiver, regretted that shit

[cunning mesa]

it was goated if you used on supp

msq is just THE WORST on supports

[wicked blade]

What are the chances of Brel release december before Christmass?

[cunning mesa]

dps can one shot the boss

[analog path]

glaivier was so lame back then

[fresh flint]

OM I tried lance master in t1 then deleted her too

[cunning mesa]

supports take a bit of time

[fervent ibex]

stupid if they did, but AGS is stupid so idk

most people are thinking Jan/Feb for icebrel

[analog path]

south vern on support

msq

[obtuse oyster]

summoner getting release along side brel

[analog path]

[wicked blade]

They already did that tho

[cunning mesa]

i think its going to be december

amazon likes to fuck people's christmas

[fresh flint]

That south vern dungeon on artist me me suicidal

[fervent ibex]

yeah with OG brel lmao they released her during the holiday season

[analog path]

they have to do something for december

they are losing player in december

:wtf:

[cunning mesa]

i think we took like a week off in the static for raids iirc

[fervent ibex]

bro me and my static were fucking celebrating Christmas from the fucking Phantom Palace that year

we were legit on suicide watch

[fresh flint]

In December we will get mokokos with Santa hats and we will run around and beat each other with hammers and they’ll call it some stupid shit like Mokoko Christmas Bash

[neon cedar]

[analog path]

didn't they do this before

[obtuse oyster]

I legit cleared g1-2 that the week before I went home for christmas break

[analog path]

minus christmas hats

[fresh flint]

Not sure tbh

[cunning mesa]

yeah thats normal. people dont spend as much time gaming

[obtuse oyster]

and man it felt smoge returning back to see all the reclear group requiring multiple peices

[analog path]

the fuckin weird seasonal timed mokoshit pvp events

taht nobody liked

[fresh flint]

Oh yes just like the current one

Granted this one is aight

[analog path]

gaming gains player during dec no?

[fresh flint]

You’re running around collecting free tokens so whatever I guess

[cunning mesa]

my proudest moment ever will be one shotting g1-2 brel on prog

[fervent ibex]

I think they released her like 2nd or 3rd week of Dec, yeah? I spent my christmas progging G6 on week 2 of brel-release basically. me and my static did the 2piece overhone to 1510 or whatever

[cunning mesa]

we didnt wipe until g3

[wicked blade]

Trully a oooofff moment

[cunning mesa]

depends on the day

most people will be celebrating with family

[analog path]

i don't think loa demographic does that

😭

[cunning mesa]

im the kind that is back to gaming 10 mins after new year

[fresh flint]

I ignore family so I will be on lost ark

[obtuse oyster]

I had to fish for prog groups for 5-6 in the lfg discords cause I missed the intial wave of progging that happened within the first couple weeks of release

[fervent ibex]

348k zz ik this game is niche, but we really coulda had a more stable playerbase if they just didnt fumble **literally **everything

like the fact that a "good patch" isnt just the norm, but is a pleasant surprise is sad

[wicked blade]

This game is fun and good imo, but they are killing playerbase with stupid and incompetent shit

[analog path]

we forget a lot that we aren't normies
this game just isn't that good for the normie base

[fresh flint]

Could have but Amazon fucks everything up and useless brain dead Korean streamers with shit takes influencing easily influenced Americans cause they can’t think for themselves

[wicked blade]

Sir, I'm hardcore MMORPG gamer and I still think LOA systems are garbage

[obtuse oyster]

the game was always gonna shrink

[fervent ibex]

thats what u get for enjoying ur time with family and shit, poser wannabe gamer, i bet you dont even have a shit bucket

[fresh flint]

Well of course

[obtuse oyster]

it having 1mil+ players at launch was entirely unexpected

[fresh flint]

I never expected loa to have 100k stable players

[wicked blade]

I would say, this game could retained at least 50k+ per month

If they didn't do stupid incompetent shit

[modest lichen]

[wicked blade]

[fresh flint]

This kind of game is very out there

[obtuse oyster]

ong

felt so ass on my return

[fresh flint]

If certain things were done differently though we’d be sitting aight

[fervent ibex]

no, i understand and expected that, but realistically this playerbase could be much bigger. on top of the content shaving away the playerbase, we also just had Dumb and Dumber as Dev and Publisher

[wicked blade]

Competent publisher?

[analog path]

and a lot of us put up with it lol
new and normie players would just not have any of it

[fresh flint]

None of them are competent. Amazon though unfortunately compared to other companies is a more okay choice

[analog path]

yeah they had a few scandals

and fails

and blunders

[fervent ibex]

Like I was never expecting the playerbase to retain even 500k, or even 300k, but like this playerbase could easily be like ... 75k? maybe even 100k if we're being generous

[obtuse oyster]

if they would have deleted t1 and t2, soo many fallen comrads might hav been saved

[fresh flint]

Absolutely

The game starting in t3 would have been great

[analog path]

yea after a certain point

[wicked blade]

NCSoft is pretty good tho

[fresh flint]

The t1-2 could have been a more “instant” version of a pre game tutorial setup

[obtuse oyster]

like the t3 1370 dead zone was shit but sooo many people burned out in the t1 to t2 push

[wise pasture]

They are gonna delete t3 soon, so at least that

[analog path]

i actually enjoyed t1-2 at the start of launch

[fresh flint]

It was fun because there was a lot to learn and a shit ton of people to do it with

[fervent ibex]

Nah but, which moron at SGR/AGS thought that the 1370 deadzone was a good idea FOR THE FIRST MONTH OF GAME RELEASE? Like the first month was the first impression for literally hundreds of thousands of players, and we left a DEADZONE in the game????

[analog path]

what they needed to do was retain more players after the explosion

[wicked blade]

https://tenor.com/view/big-brain-markiplier-gif-14835823

[obtuse oyster]

I log on, I do my dailies, I do my raids, I tap my gear, I go up .3 ilvl

[wicked blade]

Sir, .3 ilvl?

[obtuse oyster]

exaggeration

[analog path]

when was argos dropped

[turbid oriole]

Celebrating 1M concurrent ||bots||

[obtuse oyster]

march?

[turbid oriole]

[wicked blade]

U scarred me there, I would expect something like that from SG

[obtuse oyster]

late march or early april

[analog path]

2022

[fervent ibex]

"yo jump into this exciting new game that's being touted for its amazing raid design (btw cant raid for 2 months cuz we deadzoned it for pacing)"

[analog path]

what was the gain in may about

[wicked blade]

Then it came bot purge @analog path

lol

[analog path]

ah

[undone orchid]

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[obtuse oyster]

meanwhile you have people giga lucksaccing on hones or even on multiple characters while you struggle to get your first character to t3 or 1370

[turbid oriole]

The same fucking extra chromosome fucker that made velganos end game in Korea for a year

[obtuse oyster]

velga funny

[wicked blade]

Yes, may was bot purge

[wise pasture]

Atk should be slightly better still

[obtuse oyster]

actuall skill issue on the community part

[wicked blade]

And we had many more

[undone orchid]

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[analog path]

velga was like the funny spinny pizzas

[obtuse oyster]

yea with the light buff mech to do dmg

[analog path]

just watch the fucking thing spin clockwise or counter

it was so easy

remember when they made velga the weekly equalized guardian challenge

i needed Fucking surge blade to carry

[wise pasture]

Yeah, recent changes to gear decreased the difference a lot

[wicked blade]

Dw sir, Warframe is always there for u

[obtuse oyster]

we and a couple friends would just do it 3man dps and would clear it faster then attempting to mming cause people couldn't do patterns

[wicked blade]

[fervent ibex]

the same morons who thought Brel was getting stale for the last 4 months so we should release brel HM for another 4 months PACING HAHA FUNNY ‼️ ‼️ ‼️ ‼️

[uncut dirge]

remember when you did a 1490 raid and the raid would drop honing books that would help you hone to 1490?

[undone orchid]

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[uncut dirge]

nowadays you do a 1660 raid and it drops honing books to help get you to 1620

[analog path]

this is extremely stable actually Lol

[obtuse oyster]

raids never gave honing books for the current ilvl

[wicked blade]

Always has been

[wise pasture]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1295324912717791267/1303740385582911601/IMG_1547.png?ex=67511b9a&is=674fca1a&hm=7baac8713a4ee0b181ccbf68567fcfd30294888b12b5bc42ece3328d9ade4e10&

[uncut dirge]

yes, they dropped books that let you get to the raid

[turbid oriole]

1490-1560 was fucking

[wise pasture]

Roughly the dmg

[analog path]

also wtf happened during this time i want to know

[wicked blade]

See, u should play Warframe and not quit

[uncut dirge]

but ever since i think akkan? they have been dropping books that get you to the previous raid

[undone orchid]

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[obtuse oyster]

1490 dropped books for honing to 1415, 1415 to 1475 dropped books for honing to 1370

[fervent ibex]

bot ban-wave experimentation iirc

[fresh flint]

bruh i swallowed my tongue piercing

WTF

[analog path]

nah i get addicted too easily i need to do real life shit
i'm gonna limit like 2-3 hours a day

[uncut dirge]

what no way

[wicked blade]

Sir, this game respects ur time

[obtuse oyster]

yes

[turbid oriole]

[cunning mesa]

if raids dropped books for the ilevel they would be worth so much

[uncut dirge]

i'm like 99% sure this was not the case

[fresh flint]

it came unscewed

[analog path]

yeah so i'll be fine playing less compared to loa

[obtuse oyster]

it has always been the case

[fresh flint]

and it went down

bruhhhhh

[wicked blade]

U can do 5min mission per day, there is no fomo in Warframe

[turbid oriole]

Wait get a new one and come over

[analog path]

true

[turbid oriole]

I wanna try something

[fresh flint]

LMAOOO

[obtuse oyster]

shit was omega expansive for the first couple months too

[wise pasture]

Unless you have 85%+ crit rate, unlikely

[fresh flint]

i need to buy a new one asap

i cannot afford for this to close

[obtuse oyster]

like 1k for a honing book for 1370

[fresh flint]

[undone orchid]

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[analog path]

the Fucking books just sucked to begin with

[fervent ibex]

the books still suck

[cunning mesa]

i only ever sold books

[analog path]

sucks less i guess

[obtuse oyster]

real

[cunning mesa]

now you buy them for 1g outside events

[fervent ibex]

theres better books in the game too, but event only zz

[obtuse oyster]

@fervent ibex I still miss the first ever event we had during argos release

nothing will ever top it

[turbid oriole]

Wait

When did we have this

[cunning mesa]

naruni?

[analog path]

naruni racer

[obtuse oyster]

yeah the very first one

[fervent ibex]

big problem with 1600-1620 isnt even the mats, just the gold cost, and there's literally books to help with that, but god forbid they give them out more than once per year

[cunning mesa]

they tried to remake it

[obtuse oyster]

where we had weekly reset for legendary card pack

[cunning mesa]

and failed miserably

[cunning mesa]

i missed it almost entirely

[fervent ibex]

yo i legit forgot about that lol

[cunning mesa]

i wasnt a big grinder back then every content scared me

[fervent ibex]

we typically just get fucking roster lego packs now

1 time buys

[obtuse oyster]

and it also had weekly reset for the epic-legendary card packs

[fervent ibex]

per event

[fervent ibex]

was that the one with the card exp abuse?

[obtuse oyster]

shit was the most cracked event for its time

[fervent ibex]

nah not that one

card exp abuse was on golden frog iirc

[analog path]

abuse?

frog abuse

[obtuse oyster]

first frog was only broken

[fervent ibex]

well, "abuse" i use loosely, i guess it was intended? u could just perma buy card exp as long as u had the gold

[obtuse oyster]

^

[fervent ibex]

like people were buying millions of card exp

[obtuse oyster]

and it also had selects in it too?

or legendary card packs?

[analog path]

yeah

rare drop

[cunning mesa]

first thing that amazon did right

[wicked blade]

Sir, we are waiting for u

[cunning mesa]

they try their best

[analog path]

what
are you doing something

[fervent ibex]

it had selectors in the RNG bag yeah, i think i got one out of it on first try

[bold aspen]

"i have to sleep"

[fresh flint]

LETS GOOO

[analog path]

yeah i have to sleep

[obtuse oyster]

the only event shop that I looked forwards to every weekly reset to buy out

[wicked blade]

Nah, I have 10min before I start working

[wicked blade]

[analog path]

i need to stop discord addict and go to bed

[wicked blade]

Where is ur fashionframe

Show it

[fervent ibex]

who was that streamer that recently put out a "why i quit loa" video? even though she quit like a year ago

[cunning mesa]

if i hadnt missed it i would have an insane roster now and los 30 much earlier

i mean i bought a few things

but not near enough

[fervent ibex]

elly, thats who it was

[cunning mesa]

imagine i used to be scared of chaos dungeons

[obtuse oyster]

I got carried on it, I had los 18 by vykas release

[obtuse oyster]

yea

[cunning mesa]

classic milking dead game content

[wicked blade]

Sir, there has been a lot of quiting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5nFnlpqnkQ

But u probably mean her

[obtuse oyster]

honestly I never get streamers that post videos like that

[wicked blade]

She cooked tho

[fervent ibex]

elly's "why i quit" video was probably the most valid one i could relate to tbh out of all the other quitters

[obtuse oyster]

they are literally playing a different game compared to normal players

[wicked blade]

Yes

100%

[cunning mesa]

i remember having los 18 decently early

but i cant remember when

i used to be ahead enough in cards after i got a few chars to argos

man if i had done more

[fervent ibex]

everyone elses quitting reason was basically "im tired of the rat race", which i understand, but also I always thought "well u knew what u were getting into" lmao its a KR ARPG, it was always gonna be a shitfest for western audience

[cunning mesa]

just a bit more grinding

but i was so new

[fervent ibex]

but Elly's reason was legit just "AGS FUMBLED THE BAG" and I couldn't agree more lmao

[cunning mesa]

XD but i was doing every content blind until like sea dungeon

[fervent ibex]

I knew what a KR MMO was coming into this, I was prepared for the shitfest and rat race lol

just was not prepared for AGS to also try and shit down my mouth as the same time

[wicked blade]

@bold aspen U replaced LOA with League

Please go back to LOA, much healthier

[cunning mesa]

[wicked blade]

[obtuse oyster]

outside of the 1st year

the game hasn't even been that bad in terms of how AGS has been handling it

definitely could be better

[wise pasture]

4,5k dude is a casual

[wicked blade]

Imagine

[cunning mesa]

the difference between players who knew stuff beforehand from kr to the ones who didnt know anything was brutal though

[wicked blade]

[cunning mesa]

that thing set me back

[wicked blade]

If this game launched in 2020 during Corona, it would be much much better

Imo

[obtuse oyster]

real

[cunning mesa]

bcs everyone else was listening to kr streamers

[fervent ibex]

Here's the thing, I don't even think AGS did a lot of the fumbling, a lot of times SGR did the fumbling and AGS ate the shit for it, but god forbid AGS ever try and clean it up, they were just fucking content with serving a plate of shit

like, THROW US A BONE??

[cunning mesa]

also the market flippers XD i never bought fish

[obtuse oyster]

100%, or atleast just provide communication

like the lack of transparency on communication and the entire lack of communcation in a genre like this is

[wicked blade]

Or AGS should be more transparent imo

[bold aspen]

im playing aram

[obtuse oyster]

nah, those are just investors

the market flippers were people snipping accs for like 5-15k and then reselling htem for 50k+

[cunning mesa]

i should have joined them

[fervent ibex]

I would say the first TWO full years of Global Release was just fumble after fumble, I really feel like we only started "separating" from following KR around like a puppy since CN started making their own changes, and the AGS team went to Korea to "renegotiate" or whatever they fucking did there a few months ago

[wicked blade]

Meanwhile PoE2 devs: "There is too many combinations, so we don't know outcome of each one, you will have to figure it out yourself"

[cunning mesa]

i think both things were kinda disgusting ngl

ruined the market for everyone else

and the bots

[obtuse oyster]

yeah, but atleast the fish guy is just coping on the market demand raising price somewhere down the line

where as the acc flippers just made it cringe if you were building 5x3s

[cunning mesa]

i remember often browsing accs and when i was going to buy it was sold and insta back on the market much more expensive

[wicked blade]

It is crazy how CN can bend SG but AGS can't do jack shit

[cunning mesa]

fish guys were waiting for a bot ban wave

[fervent ibex]

Tencent is basically like if Amazon and Disney combined forces, that's how they did that lol

just crazy amounts of money and influence

[wicked blade]

Yup, Tencent is really good at their job tho

Imo

[cunning mesa]

to think fish used to be 1g

why did i not invest

[obtuse oyster]

bigger market with a bigger leverage for negotiating

[cunning mesa]

i did everything i could wrong in this game XDDDD

[obtuse oyster]

and SG can't ever break into the China market without Tencent

[cunning mesa]

like im so bad at making decisions its unreal

[wicked blade]

Tencent is really good publisher tho

[obtuse oyster]

not really

[fervent ibex]

True, gaming culture in the west will never be as big/popular as the east-asian market

[wicked blade]

Sir, they have killer mobile ports

[cunning mesa]

look at league

[obtuse oyster]

with how China LA is designed, I rather play in Western LA

[wicked blade]

League is a good game tho?

Riot balancing team sucks ass tho

[cunning mesa]

[wicked blade]

[cunning mesa]

[wicked blade]

TW loa?

[cunning mesa]

we found one

[wicked blade]

What is TW loa?

[obtuse oyster]

the other china

[wicked blade]

Who cares about TW?

[fervent ibex]

yeah I think they just mean the fact that Tencent can immediately come in and make their own decisions lol I wouldn't want Tencent publishing Western LOA, they'd monetize the fuck out of it

[obtuse oyster]

[wicked blade]

Why would anyone give a f about Taiwan

Yeah, I'm talking about CN

Don't care about TW

Hardly matters

For IT and chips sure

For games not really

[cunning mesa]

[wicked blade]

I'm also not sure what is situation on LOA in CN

I know CN is mostly mobile players

[fervent ibex]

they have a dying population too

[wicked blade]

Yeah, makes sense

[fervent ibex]

even with the amount people who are willing to spend on games in china, CN LOA is too heavily monetized

[wicked blade]

Nobody enjoys pain like KR

[fervent ibex]

its also much faster paced

[wicked blade]

[fervent ibex]

so on top of being behind, they keep pushing the goalpost faster

so yeah lmao

[obtuse oyster]

it's really anti "f2p"

[wicked blade]

Why LOA feels more and more like quick cash grab and not sustainable multi-decade mmorpg game

[obtuse oyster]

to many restriction for what would be normal game interactions in the Western versions

[fervent ibex]

its basically pay2play, and i dont mean a subscription lol

they need to spend money on just about everything

[wicked blade]

Yeah, that doesn't sink well with CN

At all

[obtuse oyster]

like they fact they limit and restrict p2p trading is just kekw

[fervent ibex]

tbf, regular KR LOA might fly well with CN

but Tencent took it to another level with CN monetization lol

[wicked blade]

I think Tencent seen that LOA is not really sustainable in long term

And just decided that way

I would do the same

[obtuse oyster]

[wicked blade]

Sir, takes 2 braincells to realize that LOA is not long term sustainable

[obtuse oyster]

game is still kicking in kr

so that's wrong

[wicked blade]

Barrier for entry is high to impossible for new players, and no new players = slow death

KR is diff story, u can't look at KR

I'm talking West and CN

KR has a large playerbase, so finding parties for your ilvl is easy

On West everything below Thaemine is dead

[fervent ibex]

I think CN could have been long term, but they really just went for the full milk-dry immediately

[fervent ibex]

thats... not a good example lmao old content is gonna be dead lol

do u think Koreans still do valtan?

[wicked blade]

CN doesn't really like those types of games imo

[fervent ibex]

aintnoway

[obtuse oyster]

yeah, the heavy monetization out the gate and people being 1575 on clown release definitely kills that sense of progression

[wicked blade]

1575 on release???

Okay, nevermind

That is just dumb

[fervent ibex]

they over-honed argos gear on release yeah

[wicked blade]

What the fuck

[fervent ibex]

+25 argos gear

[cunning mesa]

you can do anything as long as you have enough money

[fervent ibex]

1575

[obtuse oyster]

*relic, they had legion raids out the gate

[fervent ibex]

oh yeah mb

not argos xd

[obtuse oyster]

and they also had the clown nerf that make saws and mario trival

[wicked blade]

I heard CN version is super nerfed

[fervent ibex]

they were the first region to get that, no?

[obtuse oyster]

yea

[wicked blade]

Oh well

[fervent ibex]

their normal modes are actually normal

[obtuse oyster]

with overgearing and no real content shit must've been hella snooze fest for whales

[wicked blade]

I should try KR version

[fervent ibex]

yeah the pacing was ridiculous, i felt like i had just heard about the clown nerfs one day, and all of a sudden they were already releasing akkan

[obtuse oyster]

you would easliy get inven'ed and then banned from kr

[wicked blade]

How so?

[obtuse oyster]

1, you need a kr ssn to make accounts

2, they would easily tell your a foreigner

[wicked blade]

Got that, what next

[wicked blade]

Time to learn Korean

[obtuse oyster]

3, you don't speak the language soy ou would be cooked in raids and eventually be spotted out as being an account buyer

[analog path]

yeah just spend the weekend learning korean real quick

[wicked blade]

Yeah, that is what I gonna do for next month

[fervent ibex]

that wont be enough lol they have a lot of KR-specific mannerisms that you'd just like kinda have to know

like profusely apologizing after a death

[obtuse oyster]

yeah, there new player experience is worse than ours

[wicked blade]

Gonna say I'm not KR but live in KR

[obtuse oyster]

people complain about gatekeeping here, that shit is like 200% worse in KR

[wicked blade]

Ez

[fervent ibex]

thats an easy blacklist lol

[analog path]

Lol korea is one of the most homogenous countries

[wicked blade]

[analog path]

they won't buy it

[wicked blade]

Not if I start from 0

They surely have new players

Tho

Not like West

[obtuse oyster]

their progression events are even't close to the ones we get in the West

[bold aspen]

sir you wont survive a day playing in KR

[analog path]

bro you've been roasting the shit out of this game why you want to play it from 0 in kr now

[wicked blade]

Cuz it is not dead

[obtuse oyster]

he won't beat the pf demons in kr, cause no roster level, no los 30, no gems, no vertical

[fervent ibex]

they only have new players on New Player Events (typically twice a year for KR) and/or if they have a "Oppa" friend, basically a Juicer friend, willing to rat them into every raid

[obtuse oyster]

gonna be a perma bus rider

[bold aspen]

wont see the inside of a raid ever

[analog path]

professional bus rider

[fervent ibex]

or the 3rd option, if they're willing to just get bussed for like 6 months straight

have fun playing the game like that for half a year lol

[analog path]

yes he'd need an oppa

[wicked blade]

I don't mind playing the game that long

[fervent ibex]

Oppa~

[wicked blade]

lol

[obtuse oyster]

half a year is generous of you

[fervent ibex]

truly

[wicked blade]

[analog path]

no but the kr verification shit

[fervent ibex]

tbf I think there's another reason they don't have bots lmao

[wicked blade]

Time to find KR wife

[fervent ibex]

the fact that your account is tied to your actual name and face lmao

[analog path]

can't even go on social media without verification

what's the female version of oppa Lol

[fervent ibex]

Unni?

[obtuse oyster]

yea

[wicked blade]

Sir, I just gonna find KR wife to play LOA@analog path

[analog path]

i mean that's easy

[wicked blade]

[cunning mesa]

i do that already

[analog path]

he needs KR sugar mommy

😭

[fervent ibex]

🇰🇷

[wicked blade]

Time to go to KR dating apps

[cunning mesa]

im so ready

[obtuse oyster]

also crazy how serious they take their reclear parties

[fervent ibex]

yeah you're not gonna find a KR wife in time, just get a Korean Work VISA and spare the women of Korea your seed

[wicked blade]

Working Visa

Sounds good

[fervent ibex]

yeah you get a work visa and you get a temp KRSSN

[analog path]

they probably hate foreigners even more rn
because of that one streamer

[wicked blade]

Ohhhh

That works

I will submit application next week

[fervent ibex]

LMFAO

[analog path]

Lol idk

[obtuse oyster]

content right after poe release and before loaon

[wicked blade]

Sir I have no issues having manners and appologizing when people are not dicks

[fervent ibex]

People are saying he's almost guaranteed at least 5 years, since his crimes have a 90% conviction rate in Korea

[wicked blade]

Lock him up for life tho

[buoyant wagon]

He’s going to get like a year and then deported

[fervent ibex]

probably, unfortunately

[buoyant wagon]

Americans don’t face consequences in Asia other than for drugs lol

[obtuse oyster]

he's not getting deported

[buoyant wagon]

Even if you’re black

[obtuse oyster]

he's servering time in korea

[wicked blade]

Should've done that in Russia

I dare him

[buoyant wagon]

a year then deported

[obtuse oyster]

he's gonna be serving his full sentence

[wicked blade]

He is not getting deported, it is not silent case

[buoyant wagon]

There is almost no way they’re giving him a full sentence for just being a public nuisance and dumbass

[wicked blade]

Public is involved

[obtuse oyster]

if he didn't have the spectactle in Japan, probably would be a short sentencing into deportation

[wicked blade]

That behaviour is only acceptible in US

[obtuse oyster]

but he's kinda cooked for streaming his terror on Japan adventure

[buoyant wagon]

Hate it all you want but Americans basically get treated with kids gloves in Asia for anything that isn’t violent crime or drugs

[analog path]

holy shit have any of you realized that shit is kinda normal in the US

😭

[fresh flint]

IS this the dude that runs around like in convenience stores and cusses out the employees and shit?

[analog path]

do that in cali nothing happens to you

[wicked blade]

This is actuall crime, and public is involved and outrages. Doesn't matter if he is American or not

[obtuse oyster]

yea

[wicked blade]

Now it doesn't mean jack shit

[fresh flint]

I HOPE SOMEONE HANGS HIS ASS

[fresh flint]

He's DISGUSTING

[fervent ibex]

yeah he just disrespects culture for views basically

[bright whale]

[fresh flint]

fucking cant stand him, piece of shit fr

[buoyant wagon]

Public outrage usually does not factor into the judiciary

[bright whale]

Why we talking about American Johnny somali

And I will emphasise on him being american

[wicked blade]

In KR it does

[bright whale]

Suffer you spawned this

[wicked blade]

They actually have a thing for their culture, unlike US

[analog path]

my fault
raven said he wants to go to KR
i said they probably hate foreigners more rn because of that one asshat streamer

[bright whale]

Now all Americans are known for is Johnny somali

[wicked blade]

Where monkeys can do whatever they want

[fervent ibex]

tbf in the US there's always the worry about getting KO'd or actually shot. He specifically does this shit in Japan and Korea cuz he's taking advantage of the fact that they're so "old-fashioned respectful" to everybody, even a public nuisance like him

[wicked blade]

LOL

[bright whale]

Raven I asked my cousin

What he thought about Americans

[fervent ibex]

did not hear about that LOL what he do and in what country?

[wicked blade]

And he didn't learn a lession?@distant swallow

[bright whale]

?gg can't say the r word

[buoyant wagon]

Don’t tell me public outrage works in Korea for prison sentences

[obtuse oyster]

Same shit he was doing in Japan but in Israel

[analog path]

and prank youtubers and streamers still do it
i don't think many of them even CARE if they get shot
its all about the eyeballs and clicks

[wicked blade]

Yeah, that is what we think about Americans here aswell, no worries

[analog path]

cloutocracy

[obtuse oyster]

they %any speed ran his deportation

[buoyant wagon]

When they released a child fucker 12 years into a life sentence because alcohol is considered a mitigating factor

[safe lark]

https://tenor.com/view/helicopter-cat-helicopter-cat-heliblo-gif-15685012791631344513

[buoyant wagon]

And everyone protested the shit out of it

[analog path]

Lol i remember that on rotten mango

[buoyant wagon]

To no avail of course, because public opinion shouldn’t affect prison sentences even if the sentence is stupid

[analog path]

they have some crazy shit in korea

[wicked blade]

What he did is an actual crime @buoyant wagon

[fervent ibex]

nah im pretty sure those are all faked, specifically for the reasons i mentioned earlier lol there was a legit prank that was just like "getting up in someone's face at the mall" and the guy got shot in the leg i forget where he got shot tbh, but he survived

[wicked blade]

He should get at least 5-10y

And because he is American give him more, make example

[buoyant wagon]

You are kidding yourself if you think he’s actually going to hit the sentence cap for public nuisance crimes

[obtuse oyster]

more then just public nuisance

[wicked blade]

Bro...

Are u American?

[buoyant wagon]

And if Korea, one of the most American adjacent countries in Asia, is going to shove the legal rod of consequences so far up his ass it comes out of his mouth

[wicked blade]

"Public nuisance" is understatement

[buoyant wagon]

The only thing that might fuck him is potential drug charges

[obtuse oyster]

obstuction of buisness, deep faking the female streamer, sexual indecency in public around minors

[wicked blade]

^

[obtuse oyster]

he kinda cooked himself

[analog path]

well not all are faked lol
idr that one, but i remember that one douchebag mclaren kid
and that one kid that derailed a fucking train

oh yeah i heard

telegram

[buoyant wagon]

You seem to have a lot of faith in how the Korean legal system is going to handle deepfakes and perving around minors

When it has its own epidemic of Telegram deepfake porn

[fervent ibex]

https://www.reddit.com/r/ImTheMainCharacter/comments/16vzs8x/youtube_prankster_gets_shot_at_a_mall_for/?rdt=50645

[wicked blade]

Do u want him to get sentenced or not? I'm confused@buoyant wagon

[buoyant wagon]

And a bunch of other porn scandals where outside of the main distributor nobody got punished

[wicked blade]

It looks like u want him to be released

[analog path]

ooh this one

[buoyant wagon]

I think the world is better off if someone killed him

[wicked blade]

True that

[buoyant wagon]

But realistically he’s not going to get the sentence people think he will get

[wicked blade]

Karma finds it way

U think he will be safe in US?

[buoyant wagon]

People are expecting him to serve as much time as foreigners getting caught committing violent crime

[wicked blade]

Yeah, no

[analog path]

why is there so much fucked shit happening in korea
is anyone here in korea?

always wanted to ask this

[buoyant wagon]

lol dude nobody is going to murder him in the US unless he goes stir shit in the hood

[analog path]

i think very highly of korea too

the south one

[buoyant wagon]

Which he’s not stupid enough to do, he only goes to places where he’s likely to not die to vigilantism

[wicked blade]

U obviosly don't know what will happen in prison @buoyant wagon

[fervent ibex]

this shit has always been on the rise, but its not shown in western media a lot cuz South Korea is backed by the US, so its better to show them in good light only

[wicked blade]

U think KR prisoners will take this lightly?

lol

[buoyant wagon]

Bruh

[wicked blade]

He basically shit on their culture

[buoyant wagon]

Korean prisons are nowhere like US prisons

[analog path]

yeah

that's true

[buoyant wagon]

And they absolutely aren’t going to let a US prisoner get murdered in their prison

Even Russia avoids that

[analog path]

yes i know its been on the rise, but why lol

[wicked blade]

Russia doesn't give a fuck anymore

Cuz they saw that US is run by a bunch of clowns

[buoyant wagon]

Still even Russia isn’t going to have you killed in its prisons for being American

And you think Korea will somehow let a bunch of prisoners beat a US citizen up

[wicked blade]

Ur so wrong

[buoyant wagon]

[wicked blade]

Russians hate Americans with a passion

[obtuse oyster]

If you're an American is Russia you have failed the iq check and whatever happens to you is because of your own choices

[buoyant wagon]

True that

[analog path]

bruh americans hate americans and america

[buoyant wagon]

But still, you’re more useful to Russia alive than dead

Because you can be traded

[analog path]

yeah that's true

[buoyant wagon]

A dead US citizen in an allied country’s prisons is heat no government wants to take

[wicked blade]

U think US gives a shit about their own people

[buoyant wagon]

He’s going to be isolated if there’s even a remote risk of violence against him by other inmates

[obtuse oyster]

ehhhhhhhh

[wicked blade]

[obtuse oyster]

think you're putting a little to much glaze on U.S and how they view it's citizens over seas

[wicked blade]

He is glazing US too much

[buoyant wagon]

Remember that dumbass kid during Clinton’s presidency who tagged a bunch of cars in SG and got caned

[wicked blade]

[buoyant wagon]

And the fucking US government went up in arms about it

[obtuse oyster]

Unless you're somehow related to someone working in government or working for the government

[wicked blade]

Different times

We live in 2024

[obtuse oyster]

you're kinda cooked as a private individual once you're outside the U.S

[wicked blade]

America ain't jack shit now

[buoyant wagon]

They traded a fucking wnba player nobody cares about for some albeit washed up arms dealer

[wicked blade]

Their have their own problems to deal with

Instead of dumb shit like this

[analog path]

viktor bout for brittney griner

[buoyant wagon]

The US sends in seal team 6 to rescue some dumbass ship captain who was repeatedly warned to not sail close to Somalia

[fervent ibex]

SK government is just as corrupt as any other government lol we just see all the sunshine and rainbows, but they deal with the same shit as US politics do

[analog path]

corrupt

[fervent ibex]

specifically, the president is accusing his opponents of basically being NK supporters

[buoyant wagon]

Every developed country is going to give a shit if their citizen dies to prison violence in another developed country

[wicked blade]

It is same as US. Media propaganda @analog path
Russia ain't half bad as West media picture it

[analog path]

the recent martial law

[wicked blade]

Go figure

[buoyant wagon]

If a Canadian version of Johnny went to prison in the US and got beaten to death

You’d bet Canada would still lodge a complaint

[analog path]

idk would we

[wicked blade]

Probably not

[analog path]

could we get anything out of it

[buoyant wagon]

Yes, because your citizens, even if guilty of a crime, aren’t supposed to die to prison violence especially in another developed country with the rule of law

This should not be a hard concept to understand why governments care about this stuff

[wicked blade]

That... Is not how that works

Prison rules exist

[fresh flint]

[buoyant wagon]

Inmates killing each other are not part of the prison rules of most countries I’m pretty sure

[wicked blade]

Yes they are???

[analog path]

idk about that
our gov is corrupt to the core
yes those rules exist, but will it be followed or cared about

[buoyant wagon]

????????

[wicked blade]

Glazing US too much

[obtuse oyster]

no they aren't

[wicked blade]

Not prison rules....
Uhhh... Second

[buoyant wagon]

Just because it sometimes happens doesn’t mean it’s sanctioned, except in cases where the guards are corrupt

[wicked blade]

The laws that work outside doesn't mean inmates will follow them

[bold aspen]

walked them like my dogs thats the bear

[wicked blade]

If ur sentenced to life u really don't have anything to lose

What laws

[fervent ibex]

I think you're thinking all prisons are like US prisons where they don't care about their prisoners lol

[analog path]

They don't??

[fervent ibex]

a lot of other countries actually try to rehabilitate prisoners

[obtuse oyster]

that's not all U.S prisons

[buoyant wagon]

You severely overestimate the amount of trouble the average prisoner is seeking out just for the sake of it

Even in the US

[wicked blade]

Oh, not in a lot of countries

I frazed that wrongly

[analog path]

developed countries

[fervent ibex]

yeah even then, US prisons are like ... sensationalized? idk what the word is, but its like they're not all murder-spots lol

[obtuse oyster]

not really

[wicked blade]

Sir what the fuck is that damage

[obtuse oyster]

Only thing that is focuses on with the U.S penal system is that is has privately owned prisons

[buoyant wagon]

Prison violence is a lot more common in the US than other developed countries but it’s not the fucking Wild West like people think it is

[wicked blade]

On Volibear

[analog path]

for sure

[analog path]

this is news to me

[fervent ibex]

"not really" as in they are all murder-spots, or "not really" as in you agree with me they're not murder spots LOL

[buoyant wagon]

Even an Aryan Brotherhood lifer isn’t going to kill someone for no reason

[wicked blade]

Prisons are a business in US???

[analog path]

cheap labor 😭

[bold aspen]

thats the dawg sir big boi

[buoyant wagon]

Taxpayers don’t want to fund prisons so the government has to outsource them

[wicked blade]

Wow...

What a garbage country indeed

[obtuse oyster]

The sensationalism

[wicked blade]

AP?

[buoyant wagon]

Try telling taxpayers you’re spending money to build a prison near their city

They’ll fucking riot

[wicked blade]

Cultural issue

[bold aspen]

full tank + tri. 7.5k hp you walk the entire team like they your dogs

[safe lark]

https://tenor.com/view/helicopter-cat-helicopter-cat-heliblo-gif-15685012791631344513

[buoyant wagon]

So it gets outsourced to the private sector which then builds them in the middle of nowhere ideally

[wicked blade]

What the fuck is that daaaamaage

[bold aspen]

True dmg voli is busted as full tank

W

[wicked blade]

You treat prisoners as a cheap labor, got it. They are sub-humans@buoyant wagon
Nice country

[analog path]

how does the private sector profit from it?

[wicked blade]

Should play it more

[obtuse oyster]

legal slavery

[analog path]

actually cheap labor?

lmfao, yeah, that's fucked up

[buoyant wagon]

Most people here don’t give a shit about prison labor

[analog path]

😭

[buoyant wagon]

Especially in the current climate

[obtuse oyster]

you lose your rights as prisoner, pretty neat and can be forced to hard labor that the prison can profit off of

[buoyant wagon]

Rising property crime has exhausted all sympathy for criminals

[tulip charm]

I need to scroll up and read

[wicked blade]

Serenei talking about laws in prison while they treat prisoners like slaves

[buoyant wagon]

Most voters probably see forced prison labor as part of the punishment

[wicked blade]

Very ironic

[analog path]

canada is like the opposite, you can unalive someone and if you are a ..certain group you can just get house arrest with netflix and chill it is wild

[fervent ibex]

"unalive"

[analog path]

our laws are just a joke rn

[fervent ibex]

tiktok ass brain

[wicked blade]

Rich?

[fervent ibex]

[analog path]

do i get muted here if i say the K word

[fervent ibex]

only if you put "yourself" after it

[wicked blade]

Kill

[analog path]

alr

[wicked blade]

@analog path What group? Rich and powerfull?

That is every country tho

[buoyant wagon]

The irony is

Inmates themselves generally aren’t that against prison labor here

Especially the high demand jobs like firefighting

Even if it pays like $1/hr

[wicked blade]

Yeah, they surely have a choice

[buoyant wagon]

You can’t be forced to firefight lol