lost-ark-discussions

[cunning mesa]

and bored

[lucid fractal]

so you became futa

what is futa anyways

[cunning mesa]

[blissful rose]

[lucid fractal]

[cunning mesa]

he probably knows

[lucid fractal]

YES I DO.

[cunning mesa]

[toxic tinsel]

desu make a futa amv

[lime dove]

not bad

[blissful rose]

he has it on the private playlist

where

[still lintel]

[toxic tinsel]

dms?

[cunning mesa]

[lucid fractal]

[supple parrot]

why u have so many accesories in ur inven

[uncut dirge]

Pets - Sum
Pets that can be reacquired will be reset.
Sums World A data and World B data

this can't be right

[toxic tinsel]

ok

[quartz turret]

[wintry depot]

clean your inventory

[uncut dirge]

i guess it depends on what "pets that can be reacquired" means

[toxic tinsel]

no it doesnt

bunny + homunculus

done there yw

[lucid fractal]

GUYS LOOK I FOUND LOST ARK WHALE

[obtuse oyster]

^

[wintry depot]

its chuan

[obtuse oyster]

pets the game gives you won't be duped

[uncut dirge]

but what about the pet you get for doing the tutorial or whatever

[midnight marlin]

nah you wont

[lucid fractal]

YEAH CHUAN IT'S OVER FOR YOU WE FOUND THE HIDEOUT

[toxic tinsel]

same thing

[lucid fractal]

do I rly need to rizz this old woman

[toxic tinsel]

@lucid fractal watching\

[uncut dirge]

wait

[quartz turret]

bright green names in the wild

[uncut dirge]

shards transfer over?

[obtuse oyster]

[toxic tinsel]

no

unless you xfer whole roster

[uncut dirge]

Only one character can be transferred and any others will be deleted when the transfer takes place.

they shouldn't delete the characters on ignite

let players play those on ignite just not able to transfer

[obtuse oyster]

?

[cunning mesa]

they should make an auto hone feature

[uncut dirge]

oh

[cunning mesa]

i went too fast honing last alt and now my hand hurts

[uncut dirge]

yeah what i mean is

transfer over

leave the rest there

[obtuse oyster]

^

[uncut dirge]

maybe you made a friend there

who wants to stay an extra week

[obtuse oyster]

then don't transfer

or alt account like Scalp said

[blissful rose]

just play with friend on legacy

[toxic tinsel]

just rmt like scalp

[ancient tundra]

Rmt lord

[uncut dirge]

well ignite's gonna be pretty dead then

[lucid fractal]

oh hell naw why am i "respecting" this peasant lady

[uncut dirge]

after this

[blissful rose]

also they wouldn't just keep a dead server that doesn't earn them money on

[obtuse oyster]

there are still new players

[uncut dirge]

don't have to keep it on

[obtuse oyster]

all the vets are dipping

[fervent ibex]

what do i level next chat

[uncut dirge]

when it ends it ends

[ancient tundra]

Bonus vs mizu

[toxic tinsel]

guess

[wintry depot]

plants for ivory g1

[obtuse oyster]

you could farm full trans if you wanted too

[toxic tinsel]

^

[fervent ibex]

zz i dont even do ivory anymore

[toxic tinsel]

it would be much easier

[obtuse oyster]

since there roster on ignite would generate more gold then legacy

[uncut dirge]

Agris's Scale x30
Dark Fire x100
Behemoth's Scale x50

the ignite character

will be ahead of my "main"

lmao

damn

[fervent ibex]

shower damage +1000%

[toxic tinsel]

unless you have an already built roster which farms like 500k weekly

[obtuse oyster]

not really

Get all the dark fires you need to unlonck trans

use all your alt dark fires to funnel into your main

[blissful rose]

armor trans isn't that expensive not worth sticking around on ignite

[supple parrot]

mental illness

[lucid fractal]

erm where is the island soul help

[uncut dirge]

Players must receive all products in product inventory before applying for transfer

this only applies for ignite

[quartz turret]

stfu

[uncut dirge]

surely

[supple parrot]

bipolar too

[quartz turret]

[azure valley]

doesnt your inventory look like his

[supple parrot]

no i dont have accesories

[lucid fractal]

I could do this if I had a laptop but it's gonna be used for cooking the steak

[quartz turret]

[obtuse oyster]

a new player with one character is in a different postion then a returner or someone with a roster transfering over a free 1640

[quartz turret]

this guys talking shit

[lucid fractal]

[azure valley]

thats the same shit

why do you have a buncha garbage there

[supple parrot]

nah i have plenty of space for loot

[azure valley]

why do you have honing books

just chilling in the middle

[supple parrot]

why not

[toxic tinsel]

wait lowkey how am i actually supposed to farm oreha for my alt

[gritty dagger]

doing akkan 10.000 times to get into the new akkan raid

[cunning mesa]

check the una quest reputation

[lucid fractal]

that inventory is fucking worse than mine

[azure valley]

mental illness

[obtuse oyster]

[supple parrot]

[blissful rose]

yea I guess there's plenty of reasons for mokokos to stick around, ignite will still be a more friendly environment for them

[uncut dirge]

Battle Items
Battle Item Chests

[blissful rose]

I was saying in general tho

[uncut dirge]

imagine if we could've transferred battle items

[modern grail]

wotdefak

[uncut dirge]

infinite stimulants

ahhhhhhh

[obtuse oyster]

I wasn't talking in general tho, I was specifically talking about a new andy with only the ignite character being his only character when he transfer

[toxic tinsel]

[blissful rose]

[obtuse oyster]

[blissful rose]

how long is mokoko teaching event around

[toxic tinsel]

1 day

[obtuse oyster]

jan 15th

[toxic tinsel]

then chuan convinces them all to rmt and it gets cancelled

[gritty dagger]

bus drivers event

[toxic tinsel]

[obtuse oyster]

I just hope the event shop reset weekly

[lucid fractal]

should be a thing tbh, i need those 5k boxes

[obtuse oyster]

or it's cooked by middle of nov

[vagrant cradle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1085299194748747846.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[lucid fractal]

actually, do u ever run out of them

[uncut dirge]

me too

[blissful rose]

oh wow that's pretty long

[south harbor]

cooked after 1 week

[urban obsidian]

@dull obsidian

[lucid fractal]

bozo

[south harbor]

like every event shop ever

[cunning mesa]

3 weapon pities in a row wtf

[urban obsidian]

@obtuse oyster are you excited to play with bozowozo #bozo

next time we play

[obtuse oyster]

bozowozo gonna be running it down fr fr

[toxic tinsel]

mizu why are u doxing urself

[urban obsidian]

name fit for the job

[modern grail]

deserved

no 1 tap?

[uncut dirge]

Roster/Character (EXPRESS) Transfer
Registered Cards and Awakening Info

what does Character (EXPRESS) Transfermean?

the express part

[modern grail]

ill answer u

i dont know

[lucid fractal]

I have no idea
I just drink the milk I'm given

[modern grail]

[modern grail]

ping roxx and ask her

[toxic tinsel]

@rocks

[cunning mesa]

4 weapon pities in a row hits different

[urban obsidian]

whens it my turn to cut a 9/7 man

[lucid fractal]

@rock

@therock

[modern grail]

nice

[toxic tinsel]

https://tenor.com/view/the-rock-surprised-hand-shakes-head-shocked-gif-26479804

[modern grail]

pity it for the 5th time

[obtuse oyster]

after @dull obsidian cuts like 4 more

[cunning mesa]

1 tap finally

[modern grail]

fuck

[wispy herald]

50th*

[toxic tinsel]

ishy try not to cut 20 9/7's challenge

difficulty: rmt

[lucid fractal]

morning rock

[urban obsidian]

i watched a guildie cut a 9/7 infront of me

i then proceeded to spend 300 pheons and get nothing

[lucid fractal]

guildieeez

[obtuse oyster]

sounds about right

[urban obsidian]

icee come watch

semifinals funny moments with us

frfr

[queen grail]

lul.

[urban obsidian]

300k soon

thats disgusting

[lucid fractal]

how unlucky do I have to be

💀

[urban obsidian]

ive been mentioned more times then most ppl have ever sent a message here

[fervent ibex]

@urban obsidian shut up

[urban obsidian]

no

never

[fervent ibex]

i gotchu lil bro @urban obsidian

with the mentions @urban obsidian

[queen grail]

[toxic tinsel]

ur ill

i couldnt imagine sending so many messages

in such a short timeframe

[cunning mesa]

i do not horny bait hard enough

[fervent ibex]

i cant imagine mizu has a life outside this discord with these amount of msgs

[toxic tinsel]

that isnt luck that's skill tf

a lack of

[cunning mesa]

aly mention me more pump my numbers

[urban obsidian]

i went to hotpot with some friends yesterday

[kind lotus]

Ok i actually fell asleep

[toxic tinsel]

desu shush

[urban obsidian]

coming from you

IS CRAZY

[toxic tinsel]

u dont sleep u just play paladin to rest

[lucid fractal]

desuboyo

[fervent ibex]

you can't be true-ing anything either, mr 13k hours

your ass has morphed to your chair

you're growing roots

[lucid fractal]

delete palla

[bitter lichen]

damn crazy that moko helping is an event and not a permanent thing

[queen grail]

[cunning mesa]

some more

[toxic tinsel]

wwdym it is perma

chuan always helps moko

[obtuse oyster]

if it was permanent

the rewards would be shit

[cunning mesa]

im actually out of shards in my ignite char XD

[toxic tinsel]

"I only shower once a month not once a year"

[queen grail]

Scalp is so casual.

You're not casual.

You're delusional

[supple parrot]

havin x5 aegir normal is still casual

like me

[toxic tinsel]

that is called sarcasm

aly

[queen grail]

No no, scalp believes he's casual.

No joke.

[toxic tinsel]

he doesnt lol

[azure valley]

that doesn't mean you're casual, that just means you suck

[toxic tinsel]

but suer

casual dicksucker

[queen grail]

He does, that's why he's delusional.

[cunning mesa]

any ideas joined chaos dungeon already for the daily

[queen grail]

Same as Zheng complaining about not being lucky, chuan not being rmt'er, you not being a femboy bottom and icy being a furry.

[toxic tinsel]

?

[supple parrot]

no. you suck

[queen grail]

So many delusional NA people

[supple parrot]

like berry

[cunning mesa]

i have 0 tokens left XD

[bright whale]

https://www.reddit.com/r/lostarkgame/comments/1gf8sb6/biggest_issue_with_returningnew_players_current/

yapper on the move lads

[cunning mesa]

i should probably do my other chaos dungeon

[azure valley]

doing chaos dungeon on ignite

[kind lotus]

Solo mode shop, event shop, boats

[toxic tinsel]

nah theyre kinda right 1540->1620 is miserable

[cunning mesa]

i pitied everything

[cunning mesa]

wait boats is amazing idea

[azure valley]

just make new chars

[obtuse oyster]

understatement

[cunning mesa]

shards are char bound

[bright whale]

i made it

omg ty for agreeing with me once

[azure valley]

you kill ulnil which gives you event tokens which you use to buy shards

[bright whale]

but ye im the yappatron.

[toxic tinsel]

https://tenor.com/view/sakurako-sakurako-blue-archive-blue-archive-trinity-blue-archive-gif-12373199697958053750

[azure valley]

plus the 2k gold for tapping

[bright whale]

btw.

two downvotes alr

who from here is being meany

[toxic tinsel]

reddit

[cunning mesa]

[toxic tinsel]

wait dont you need an account to downvote

[supple parrot]

1620 is free with event, new player dont need 6 chars.

[toxic tinsel]

so it's probably @sand marsh

[bright whale]

[south harbor]

just play the game

[bright whale]

false the game is designed that way.

i listed the maths below.

[vague stirrup]

ok why I didn't get hindered vision

[bright whale]

on why its a shitty system

Cost if a geared character to raid on

TLDR TO make back the money a new player would have to raid for about 19 weeks I repeat, 19 WHOLE WEEKS on that character only to make the gold back that they've invested to push the item level from 1580 to 1620 and that is excluding Transedence, elixirs, gems, and anything else related.

TLDR: TO gear a new character from 1580 to 1620 you would in fact need at around 1 million gold.

1+ to 1.3 million gold and that's the average scenario including full trans + 40 set elixirs + honing.

That is in fact 39 weeks of raiding 39 whole weeks if they akkan hm, voldis hm, and thaemine normal.

If on the other hand the choose to go for 1640, then in return they make 75k a week.

However, majority if not most of the people do not take individuals that are not at least c7/p7 with 40 set elixirs and Do not have tier 4 gems. Thereby the cost will in fact be 250-300k + the honing which is around 900k on average to reach that point, and that being Without the gems.

TLDR: A new player would in fact be forced to do akkan, voldis and thaemine normal till they get those boosts they really need if they are making an alt.

Thereby, to actually repay this whole issue, they would need to invest at around 26-27 weeks on average.

[toxic tinsel]

1m gold for 1620 alt

[bright whale]

so yeah bro

[toxic tinsel]

yeah just play the game

[bright whale]

27w to pay back

[toxic tinsel]

https://tenor.com/view/sakurako-sakurako-blue-archive-blue-archive-trinity-blue-archive-gif-12373199697958053750

[bright whale]

your main btw

[obtuse oyster]

the devs don't expect those players too

[bright whale]

i think thats a banger.

[kind lotus]

"It's literally free"
-Chuan Tzu, The Art of RMT

[obtuse oyster]

either they join in with an event and just create character every event aka every 3-4 months

[queen grail]

[obtuse oyster]

or they whale to get to a reasonable point to play the game

[south harbor]

who is using 1m for 1620

[kind lotus]

unlucky gamers like @cunning mesa

[urban obsidian]

it is what happenstho

[supple parrot]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/366111733879799812/1274580270942785567/runv.gif

[queen grail]

[supple parrot]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1160618120558428162.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[urban obsidian]

any new player who wants to reasonably play the game just whales

[obtuse oyster]

exactly, they see the mountain of what it takes to push up a character without an event and just never do or they just stop playing

[kind lotus]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1058851434419978273/1289307856163700819/zerk.gif

[bitter lichen]

[kind lotus]

:yorkshirelad:

[blissful rose]

[supple parrot]

its literally not, u literally progress faster with 1 char than to keep up 6

[toxic tinsel]

i mean even 500k average is still insane for just a 1620 alt

[cunning mesa]

yes i am

[supple parrot]

my nae roster is prime example that u dont need 6 chars i literally progress faster than most ppl there with 1/6 the play time

[modern grail]

^

[vague stirrup]

As a newbie, the only solution I found to this is accept I should be a few raids/modes behind and focus on making 6-char roster (over time, with the help of express or whatever is offered) without catching burnout

[queen grail]

[obtuse oyster]

and since they don't rework on how progression works for the lower/dead tier, people down their have to scrap for w/e gold they can get and just have mediocre characters till they either catch a break with people eventually letting into raids on their scuffed character (or they buy busses till they can get into parties or never do) and just perma behind

[modern grail]

i still cant understand why some people are being forced to play an alt

[toxic tinsel]

i still some understand

[urban obsidian]

or just do what i do and whale rmt millions

to catch up

[vague stirrup]

I literally progress
Brother take away hours of playtime and you'll be held back by literally learning the raids

And finding groups to learn them

And finding time to learn

[supple parrot]

and how does making MORE CHARACTERS help? when u will be less geared on those and be gatekept more

?

[vague stirrup]

And you'll be sitting in Akkan getting your pennies for quite a while

[supple parrot]

u can use that time to join LEARNING GROUPS on ur MAIN

idiot

[modern grail]

im with chuan lmfao

[vague stirrup]

more characters for shit raids > more characters bringing gold

[supple parrot]

look atthe people here with 6 chars spamming lower raids, RATHER THAN GO LEARN NEW RAIDS

[toxic tinsel]

I mean chuan. I've learned basically all I need to except g4 thaemine

so all i can really do is alt now

[supple parrot]

you do alt if you want to play MORE, not to progress FASTER

[toxic tinsel]

well

its both

[obtuse oyster]

No no no no, Berry. Just get your character magically to 1680 trust trust

[supple parrot]

no its not

[toxic tinsel]

if you get a pretty low cost alt

[modern grail]

no lol

[supple parrot]

u progress SLOWER if u push alt

[toxic tinsel]

you get more gold

if you get more gold

you progress faster

[supple parrot]

they eat more gold than they produce

[empty sleet]

mroe alt = more weekly gold = more progress

[supple parrot]

idiot

[modern grail]

^

[toxic tinsel]

only at 1620

[kind lotus]

@rugged lynx time to get that transcendence done

[blissful rose]

it rlly isn't, I'm sure literally none of my alts payed for themselves

[empty sleet]

if ur alts r just gold farmign rats that is

[toxic tinsel]

if you have 1540 then it's like a few weeks if that

then it's profit

[supple parrot]

IM NOT COUNTING UR RAT ASS GARBAGE TRASH CHARS THATS NOT EVEN 1620

those are not alts

[queen grail]

Listen, It's all free, chuan only has 1 char total on all his server's because It's the most optimal f2p play.

[obtuse oyster]

Sure, just ignore him asking scalp and ishy for raids on his nae

[supple parrot]

the post IM REPLYING TO IS TALKING ABOUT HONING TO 1620

OBVIOUSLY IM TALKIKNG ABOUT 1620

???

[empty sleet]

an alt is a alternative character you play, not sure theres much else to say about it

[bitter lichen]

unemployed behaviour

[vague stirrup]

If you push alt without any kind of event then it is more resource-consuming
atm I'm getting a 1640 pala ready for Echidna/Thae/Behe or ivory and it'll get me my gold back in like a month

[queen grail]

It's so easy bruh just have friends that carry your Rat Trash alt's so you get into groups others can just dream off.

[supple parrot]

ok if u want to make bunch of 1540 to farm extra 5k gold per week, go for it.

the time spent vs gold earned is not even worth it

[bitter lichen]

[toxic tinsel]

it's about 10k and for someone with 1 char that's a lot

[modern grail]

you have to invest on an alt thus eating the gold away, idk why people think having more alts = progress more

[toxic tinsel]

fym

[uncut dirge]

why do i need to confirm this?

[modern grail]

if you dont invest on an alt, it gets gatekept

[urban obsidian]

try

reading

?

?

[queen grail]

All my alt's have paid back their dues 10 fold.

[bitter lichen]

[lucid fractal]

rmt game

[supple parrot]

I AM LITERALLY IN THIS SITUATION ON NAE, AND I DONT RAID ON THE 1540 CUZ ITS A WASTE OF TIME

[toxic tinsel]

like ishys 0 trans db?

wait

[modern grail]

and when did they paid that, after how many months?

[bitter lichen]

unless berry enjoys it

[blissful rose]

unless u bus and play the game like it's ur job keeping alts at relevant content will always set u back

[uncut dirge]

you mean the text that cuts off mid-sentence?

[toxic tinsel]

cus u have naw to raid on

wdym

?

[bitter lichen]

ever thought about that chuan

[lucid fractal]

so time to delete nae

[bitter lichen]

Raiding for fun

[quartz turret]

wait what happened to armen

[bitter lichen]

[supple parrot]

and that is fine, i said you make alts to PLAY MORE, not to PROGRESS FASTER

[bitter lichen]

[lucid fractal]

and start over in a EUC roster

[queen grail]

some of them paid it off fast, other's slow, my Aeromancer got a 300k+ item first week of playing.

[cunning mesa]

1540 alts seem like a decent investment rn if you have no other chars

[modern grail]

ishys 0 trans db is on naw and only got in cus of chun right?

[cunning mesa]

it costs no gold to get to 1540

[supple parrot]

ppl need to stop spreadin the misinfo of making more chars = progress faster mind set, literal dog shit mindset, which is why ppl here say its hard to get 1660

[rugged lynx]

where invite

[supple parrot]

IT IS LITERALLY FREE

[toxic tinsel]

i mean chuan accept everyone so iunno

[supple parrot]

IF U PLAY 1 CHAR

[kind lotus]

Brelshaza captured him after he tried to use the Lost Ark to damage the sealed body of Kazeros.

[modern grail]

real

[bitter lichen]

[toxic tinsel]

ya it just takes much longer

[queen grail]

@obtuse oyster This should be a pin, It's a moto at this point.

ITS ALL FREE!

[quartz turret]

[queen grail]

https://tenor.com/view/its-free-real-sate-gif-7215175

[urban obsidian]

@devout fractal no skillpoints?

[modern grail]

ok try asking ishy to join other lobbies and not chuan's

[modern grail]

it doesnt make any sense

[bitter lichen]

[supple parrot]

take longer to what? i reach 1660 faster with 1/6th the play time ppl here have playing mostly 1 char, added a second char with event.

[quartz turret]

i have no idea whats happening with the story at this point'

[obtuse oyster]

just get lucky

[toxic tinsel]

can just not hm

[modern grail]

[empty sleet]

so if you only run 1 character, and i run 6, 5 of them being 1540 alts, and the other we both do the same raids, at the end of it all, who gets more chances to progress

[modern grail]

he cant lol, ishy knows himsf he cant join raids on naw with his roster information atm

[uncut dirge]

you shouldn't compare yourself to/listen to chuan on this

[lucid fractal]

Susie baki

[toxic tinsel]

wdym people exhaust all gold and then just play for fun no shit you have 1/6 playtime you dont play on that char outside of gold earning

[fervent ibex]

@nova garden ARE YOU AWARE THEY'RE SELLING THE FEMALE FIGHTER OUTFIT FOR SLAYER ON IGNITE?

[bright whale]

and that's because the cost is too expensive, use that brain god gave you chuan

[uncut dirge]

the part he doesn't mention is that you should do all your dailies and all your weeklies on that main char

[urban obsidian]

@dull obsidian

[bright whale]

what happens if you nerf the cost to get to 1620?

[uncut dirge]

every single time and not ever miss it in any way

[bright whale]

then having alts and trying new chars is worth it

i know

mind boggling concept

right?

[lucid fractal]

this is very corny

[supple parrot]

i talk with results. when u run 6 chars like that, esp as a new player, u aint have the time to actually go prog new raids and u end up with less gold overall. i reach 1660+ on nae playing <1 hour a day. 1 char only.

[toxic tinsel]

chuan

[supple parrot]

literally free

[toxic tinsel]

if you have progged all the raids

what else do you do

?

[bright whale]

u masturbate

[toxic tinsel]

true

[bright whale]

[empty sleet]

true

[kind lotus]

true

[azure valley]

make another roster on another server

[queen grail]

Bro, It's free, just hit.

[cunning mesa]

[toxic tinsel]

also exactly this. You have low playtime BECAUSE all you play is gold earning on that roster

[supple parrot]

LIKE I SAID, U MAKE ALTS TO PLAY MORE NOT PROGRESS FASTER, CAN YOU READ?

[toxic tinsel]

people with main rosters just play outside of gold earning

so they rack up more hours

[queen grail]

CAPSLOCK IS CRUICE CONTROL FOR COOL!

[toxic tinsel]

like horizontal or just afking

[bitter lichen]

[bright whale]

[vague stirrup]

here chuan does have a point, if you have a tight schedule on getting bunch of characters to do low-gold runs you might have no time left for actual learning of the raids that do bring gold

[uncut dirge]

yo when did they change pleccia questing

[blissful rose]

chuan the type a guy to seem so wrong even when he right

[uncut dirge]

i think there's more voice lines/music compared to what we used to have

[toxic tinsel]

except u do progress faster before a certain point with alts

[empty sleet]

be better at progging

[supple parrot]

HOW MANY OF THESE IDIOTS HERE COMPLAIN THEY DONT HAVE TIME TO "PROG" CUZ THEY ARE TOO BUSY RUNNIGN 1540 RAIDS ON ALTS FOR 2K GOLD

[bitter lichen]

net

[bright whale]

orr u can just yknow do your raids on main and then just do your alts that you have left to get more materials?

[modern grail]

bro he is, im with him but hes too unhinged

[uncut dirge]

or maybe they can't play every week and every single day consistently

[lucid fractal]

thanks for explaining what he has said, lost ark narrative asssistant.

[toxic tinsel]

does anyone actually do this

i havent seen it yet

[empty sleet]

fights have like 3 mechaanics in total, what is tehre even to prog besides DODDDGGEEE

[blissful rose]

[supple parrot]

I LITERALLY DONT PLAY EVERY WEEK OR EVERYDAY ON NAE, THAT IS MY POINT. WHY WOULD U MAKE MORE CHARS IF U CANT EVEN PLAY 1 CONSISTENTLY

?

[bright whale]

i dont think ive ever seen any1 complain they dont have time to prog with main, I've seen more people complain that its harder to get alts to generate more gold for their mains

you seem to be very de-attached with reality atm chjuan

please wake up princess

[queen grail]

Don't know If I'd take financially advice from a guy who's his way from 0 to 100 while getting easy-carried on his alt roster's

[empty sleet]

caps lock brain in control

[uncut dirge]

because spending 1 hour every single day is different from spending 10 hours every 10 days

[kind lotus]

yes honing should be nerfed

[supple parrot]

u do not need more than 1 char to generate gold. i literally proved this by making a char on nae.

[kind lotus]

and chuan stfu

[empty sleet]

1580 shouldnt cost gold anymore

imho

especially nerfing akkan

[kind lotus]

https://imgur.com/87h706f

[bright whale]

chuan maths are maths, you getting lucky isnt equivalent to a new player u donkey.

[empty sleet]

this mans needs some eye drops asap

[bright whale]

with the event, it still costs 500k gold to reach 1620

ure delulu

[modern grail]

thsts not his point

[lime dove]

idk i get lazy

[modern grail]

his point is you dont need an alt to progress

[blissful rose]

he not wrong tho

[lime dove]

redeem it with channel points

[uncut dirge]

yeah

[empty sleet]

i think we've lost the plot friends.

[uneven mortar]

f2p gang gang

[bright whale]

his point is u can make it with 1 char, but to get that one char up as a new player ud need 25 weeks of gold grinding.

[bitter lichen]

[bright whale]

unless you have people to carry you!

which he does!

[cursive ruin]

good lord

[wintry depot]

no but for real, if you want to teamviewer, i can clean it for you

[bright whale]

so he didnt face the issues!

[cursive ruin]

this actually had me tearing up

[uncut dirge]

yeah, all you need is two different express passes from a year ago

[lime dove]

lool

[uncut dirge]

that are both put onto the same char

[modern grail]

dude, i have a 1660 by only playing 1 char

[bright whale]

how long u been playing for my guy.

[modern grail]

and i only made an alt when theres an express event

[vague stirrup]

I still think that getting alts to like 1620 is reasonable... as long as you do it with events n shit, that way they get the gold back quite quickly + you get more practice in Thae and Echidna + more cubes, more gems, more shit
IF you have time for that
And probably if you have a static or someone to reliably do the activities within like a few hours, otherwise it's fucked

[modern grail]

may

i started may this year

[bright whale]

ok thats

how many months

my homie?

[modern grail]

6 months

[bright whale]

with a pass

?

[modern grail]

no i played the game from the very start

didnt usrd any powerpass

cause i like to expetience the early game

[bright whale]

point stands, still too expensive , its better to allow people to reach 1620 easier so they can try the other raids more to improve.

[modern grail]

what chuan saying is right

[supple parrot]

keep do what u do and progress slower

[bright whale]

people are going to 1620 atm with no alts.

and then are like

why am i so shit?

[supple parrot]

while playing more

[keen copper]

1620 is free

[bright whale]

chuan is using his example as a veteran

[queen grail]

[bright whale]

vs a new players experience.

[blissful rose]

1680 is free🗣️

[bright whale]

shut up chuan

[keen copper]

damn right

[empty sleet]

make more alts or be sad after 3 raids, ggs

[toxic tinsel]

progress slower by making more gold?

[supple parrot]

?

[uncut dirge]

ex

estherweapons are free

[bright whale]

congratulations, you are a veteran you have skill, a new player does not have the game knowledge of 2.5 years

use your brain?

[uncut dirge]

surely random new players are gonna go get eclipse title

[bright whale]

you expect them to do what ure doing?

[mystic basin]

[supple parrot]

yes and with my experience im tellin ppl how to progress faster

[bright whale]

are you dented?

[queen grail]

To be fair, 1620 should be non-gold at this point, same with Elixir's and Trans, and the Chars from Igniter should have been given Los30 and be done with it.

(And I'm not trolling) Outdated shit system that halter's new player's so much for no reasons, We have new gold sinks, don't need the old.

[supple parrot]

while ur dumbass is makin them progress slower

[bright whale]

ok chuan ure mega dented

fml

[supple parrot]

?

[bitter lichen]

any alt under 1620 should be deleted

[bright whale]

how is it slower if you nerf 1580 to 1620?

are you dented

[bitter lichen]

[uncut dirge]

look

[bright whale]

[queen grail]

This would push more vet's into Ivory also for more elixir's to cut perfect 5/5's over time leading to an influx of groups for people to have a chance to join

[bright whale]

itd get your main up faster

[uncut dirge]

just sell hell buses

[bright whale]

1580 would be way cheaper material wise

from 1540

[uncut dirge]

then you dont need any alts

[bright whale]

and it would be essentially free.

[supple parrot]

cuz morons like u will raw hone to 1620 and waste all ur gold on elixirs and trans on new chars rather than progress ur main

[cursive ruin]

so many bugs it's just like

listen

[cunning mesa]

lets be honest. smilegate will never do anything that actually helps new players reach the actual end game in a reasonable amount of time

[cursive ruin]

i'll let u guys transfer ignite to main before i do it ok?

[empty sleet]

idk man, ive made many alts for the sole purpose of making gold in not only lost ark, but ffxiv and WoW

Alts are a investment, you dont need them but over time they pay there weight back several times over

[bright whale]

my guy, doing your main as a new player without skill will take 23 weeks with an event.

[queen grail]

Should still do it, but it is what it is.

[toxic tinsel]

can u do itfirst? I dont wanna brick my acc u have like 200 accs

[bright whale]

except if ure being mega carried [like you] with 2.5 years of experience

[cunning mesa]

they put it far enough so that you feel like swiping to get the last 10 ilevel

[bright whale]

ontop of everything

[cursive ruin]

after u

[mystic basin]

23 weeks?

[toxic tinsel]

grrr

[mystic basin]

[modern grail]

@blissful rose hes actually right but bro sounds so wrong

[vague stirrup]

do I want to waste an hour or two of my sleep time on card runs or it's not high enough chance to get one to justify that

[fervent ibex]

Everytime they nerf a raid's gold, they should make getting to that raid into complete silver honing, and then nerf the raid's progression system itself, like nerfing Elixir cost when they nerf Ivory Tower

[bright whale]

that includes trans + elixir costs

[toxic tinsel]

it's like 500k or something for 1620 from 1580

[bright whale]

it would take 23-26 weeks.

with one character.

[keen copper]

[bright whale]

with an event.

[uncut dirge]

yeah, but smilegate is trying to be sneaky and put it further and further out of reach

[cursive ruin]

would letting support be able to damage be a good change or no

[bright whale]

and chuan is like BUT ITS SO FREE BRO!

[lucid fractal]

twitch streamer build

[cunning mesa]

about2exploit

[toxic tinsel]

beast irl outfit

[uncut dirge]

remember back in the day when you cleared X raid they dropped honing books that made honing to X raid easier?

[mystic basin]

dont we have ignite now why does that matter

[empty sleet]

cutedoll?

[lucid fractal]

with the guns makes it more american

[toxic tinsel]

no the point is for when we dont have ignite

[uncut dirge]

you cleared brel -> you got books that helped you hone to brel level

[toxic tinsel]

[uncut dirge]

but at akkan theyshifted it down by 20 ilvls

[bright whale]

because what if they wanna play another char my guy.

[lucid fractal]

looks ugly to me

[uncut dirge]

1600 content drops books to get to 1580 etc

[mystic basin]

well then we just get another ignite/event

[supple parrot]

ive been helpin and teachin mokokos for a long time, meanwhile idiots here givin misinfo

[queen grail]

Ye, makes no sense for them to nerf gold gain and not do something with Elixir's and Transendence or even the road to 1620.

[lucid fractal]

WHEN

[mystic basin]

we always have them

[bright whale]

u can make only 1

[mystic basin]

theres never not an event

[bright whale]

[empty sleet]

thursday

[queen grail]

The road to 1620 should be silver or at worst low gold.

[mystic basin]

[modern grail]

they wsnt it now man

[bright whale]

we wont have another event till brel probably

[empty sleet]

(im lying)

[cunning mesa]

hope next event doesnt make you click 5 thousand times to finish honing

[uncut dirge]

imo they should've just kept the gold amounts the same

[mystic basin]

yes events are every 3 months lol

[uncut dirge]

just buff high raid gold amount

[lucid fractal]

ru talking about the one we have rn

[cursive ruin]

lf a clumsy twink

[queen grail]

If they should nerf something.

[empty sleet]

DN

[mystic basin]

there is literally always an event

[uncut dirge]

just inflate the gold amounts and increase honing costs at high level too

[queen grail]

Nerf G4 Theamine into the ground Force all the G4 players into new raids.

[vague stirrup]

The road to 1620 should be 75% less fucking shards

[blissful rose]

I like when he presses caps mid sentence, like he just decided to be mad in the middle of it

[mystic basin]

and ots always better than the last

[bright whale]

honing should be nerfed, and trans + elixirs [at least the master/critical] should be made roster bound

[mystic basin]

so why does that matter

[modern grail]

ive never made an alt until they made an event, but these guys want it now

[mystic basin]

thelly nerf it eventually

[modern grail]

[bright whale]

because we are at a point

where they nerfed all gold raids except 1

[toxic tinsel]

ambata alt

[bright whale]

for 1600-1620

[supple parrot]

@toxic tinsel how many chars u got on nae, show roster

[toxic tinsel]

im altinngggg

[bright whale]

and they still havent nerfed the cost

simple

[mystic basin]

yes and 1620 is free with ignite

[queen grail]

Imagine not having alts.

[uncut dirge]

how long until smilegate starts gold nerfing the latest 3 raids

[mystic basin]

so will it be with the next event

[cunning mesa]

before all these events it was pretty worth to manually raise your alts

[bright whale]

one free character my guy, does not change the fact.

[empty sleet]

alts slow down your progression

[toxic tinsel]

not on atm but
1643
1465
500
500

[queen grail]

I'll have 11 1640's+ soon and 2 1680's But I'm casual.

[empty sleet]

allegedly

[lucid fractal]

not on atm but
1643
1465
500
500

[lucid fractal]

whats the 1465 one

[mystic basin]

it will be free with the next event

[toxic tinsel]

db

[mystic basin]

just wait till then

[bright whale]

surely.

[mystic basin]

[vague stirrup]

the next ilvl push they'll nerf ivory, maybe thaemine.

[queen grail]

That's why I have 10(soon 11) 1640's+ and soon 2 1680's

[toxic tinsel]

didnt spend any gold on it

[bright whale]

[modern grail]

not its true lol

[cunning mesa]

you had a lot of free time bcs no content, and it was relatively cheap and easy to go up

[lucid fractal]

db goated

[bright whale]

as if its free matters with the current issues

returning players are facing

im sure waiting 3 months will keep those players around

kappachungusio

[queen grail]

[supple parrot]

ye so ur 1 char only, this is a prime example, ur literally progressin faster than ocean, cuz u just focus on 1

even tho ocean has been playin for way longer

[toxic tinsel]

no but im at a point where i benefit from alts

[uncut dirge]

nono, i'm not being serious. I was joking that at some point they will nerf the gold from the highest 3 raids

[modern grail]

watch him make an alt and cant progress to 1660

[mystic basin]

you do realise people can play ignite now quit then just come vack at the nex event

[modern grail]

[vague stirrup]

Oh. I can still see them doing it tbh

[mystic basin]

ppl dont have to dedicate thier lives to it

[toxic tinsel]

you realise I cant get 1660 even if I only focus main right?

[mystic basin]

[queen grail]

Got my almost zero trans slayer into Behemoth

[supple parrot]

that is my point, IF YOU ARE NEW JUST PLAY 1 CHAR, u can make more IF THERE IS FREE EVENTS, thats about it

[modern grail]

wrong

[toxic tinsel]

I still need 120f and 40 set to even consider 1660

[bitter lichen]

how tf is berry ahead of ocean

[toxic tinsel]

sure let me go into aegir with 75 flowers 39 set

[empty sleet]

everyone new on ignite about to get woken up with SLAP when they try to use the market and get cockblocked by trusted

[toxic tinsel]

actually delulu

[bitter lichen]

is he literally braindead?

[lucid fractal]

balls of the storm run

[modern grail]

ocean toom years to get 1620 cause bro has too mucb chsrs

[modern grail]

yes

[supple parrot]

cuz ocean too busy making multiple chars

[ancient tundra]

Thks4invite

[bitter lichen]

wtf man lmaooo

[modern grail]

bros an idiot

[supple parrot]

to progress his main

[blissful rose]

It's crazy how much power a redditor holds to just keep a whole chat room on a hour long yapfest

[modern grail]

berry is about to be one

[queen grail]

It's just Behemoth.

[modern grail]

[toxic tinsel]

how?

[mystic basin]

i dont have 120

[toxic tinsel]

when did I ever say I would invest gold into my alts?

[queen grail]

My opinion is this.

Chuan is wrong since he swiped his account.

[ancient tundra]

A furry ?

[toxic tinsel]

lol

[queen grail]

Done

[ancient tundra]

He is already one

[queen grail]

And berry is a furry.

[bright whale]

your solution is more dented than a pan after it hit some1 on the head

[modern grail]

yea

[queen grail]

[modern grail]

[mystic basin]

what

[toxic tinsel]

shin just baiting atp

[mystic basin]

people play other games sir

[toxic tinsel]

[ancient tundra]

Berry the furry

It even matches

[bright whale]

nvm ig no childhood cartoons ig

my bad

[modern grail]

wym u were an advocate of making an alt

[empty sleet]

https://tenor.com/view/daddys-good-girl-kitten-daddy-gif-26728604

[mystic basin]

[bright whale]

have u not seen tom and jerry man

[toxic tinsel]

no

[bright whale]

[modern grail]

???

[supple parrot]

i mean 1660 is literally free, ppl just gotta dont be stupid

[nova garden]

Abs

[vagrant cradle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1068655491057729567.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[toxic tinsel]

i said alts are good at 1540 i never said id make one myself

[blissful rose]

wait @modern grail did u clear aegir?

[modern grail]

you were jus saying minutes ago you need an alt to progress faster

[toxic tinsel]

i have to math out the resource costs first

[bitter lichen]

gotta dont be stupid

[ancient tundra]

Icy check dms btw

[bitter lichen]

[queen grail]

To be fair, Berry just wants more alt's to dominate him since he's a furry bottom sub Right @toxic tinsel ?

[supple parrot]

that is exactly why u are way ahead of most other new players in ur situation

[modern grail]

yes

[toxic tinsel]

at 1540 you earn more gold weekly with little cost

[empty sleet]

https://tenor.com/view/the-kid-laroi-kid-laroi-laroi-keep-yapping-text-gif-9418649301844185020

[modern grail]

also yes

[nova garden]

Did you send me something?

[modern grail]

[mystic basin]

why do ppl think that new players have to dedicate their time to the game you can just play at event quit and come back play till its not fun not play till you hate and quit

[toxic tinsel]

I can spend 10k gold on 1-2 flowers OR I can spend 10k gold on a 1540 alt that pays itself back in a week @modern grail

[blissful rose]

damn, no longer a mokoko

[ancient tundra]

Just now

[empty sleet]

ive hated it since 2022 yet somereason i keep fking loading it up

[supple parrot]

so u are agreeing w/ me

[bright whale]

being forced to quit a game you like to play vs quitting a game because you wanna take a break are 2 dif things.

[cunning mesa]

thats about to be my bard

[modern grail]

you dont need to spend 10k gold to hone ur 1540, its silver honing

[toxic tinsel]

idk what your point is atm you just keep shouting atm e

[bitter lichen]

all fun and games until its jail in brel nm

[toxic tinsel]

im new right?

so i dont have infinite t3 mats

right?

so i need to buy them from market

[obtuse oyster]

oreha

[toxic tinsel]

youre following?

[obtuse oyster]

and 1540+ cost gold to hone

[modern grail]

just dont ve new man

[supple parrot]

how can i be shouting at u when we are not in voice

[modern grail]

[supple parrot]

?

[toxic tinsel]

like u shouted at me in kayangel...

[modern grail]

he has 1480 char iirc

[supple parrot]

that was linair

[modern grail]

he wana hone it to 1540

[empty sleet]

i found the problem

[toxic tinsel]

were u shouting at lin then

[dull obsidian]

people bidding high on it

on ignite

[mystic basin]

you arent forced to quit anything people play at their pace if thats progressing slow so be it not when you are a new player and want 6 1660 at the start of the game

[dull obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/sakurako-sakurako-blue-archive-blue-archive-trinity-blue-archive-gif-12373199697958053750

[mystic basin]

[bitter lichen]

[modern grail]

wait i gotya find my screenshot where i have aegay gear

[urban obsidian]

ur

kinda cute

[supple parrot]

no i didnt shout at anyone

[urban obsidian]

-<

[toxic tinsel]

but tldr itll be about 10k gold @modern grail to get an alt to 1540 bc i have to buy oreha and stuff

[supple parrot]

[empty sleet]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-sad-gif-16142878024975347365

[toxic tinsel]

and i think weekly gold on 1540 is about 9k?

or a little under

[modern grail]

if u think its worth it then do it

[toxic tinsel]

brel+kay+clown so prob like 6-8k

so 1.5 weeks it pays off then profits

[cunning mesa]

i'd just wait for events to get alts at this point

[modern grail]

gl finding w clown lobby

[cunning mesa]

getting alt 1640 > 1540

[vague stirrup]

fuck my life

[toxic tinsel]

solo?

[modern grail]

or pester chuan ti carry u

[cunning mesa]

you just need to focus on learning end game raids

[modern grail]

ye gl on that on ilvl

[toxic tinsel]

i would just solo content for bound gold since I can still use that

[empty sleet]

i also play alts, to play other classes, theres a factor of just wanting to play somethign different too

[toxic tinsel]

?

shin

I did everything on 1540

when I started

[toxic tinsel]

you know that right

[modern grail]

[cunning mesa]

and then there's me with 2 bards 2 sf on main 6

[toxic tinsel]

I did clown/brel/kay solo for weekly gold

when I was 1540 just starting

[cunning mesa]

next event ill make a bard

[toxic tinsel]

a month ago

did that for like 2-3 weeks before even touching a group raid

[mystic basin]

realised pistoleer was dog

[blissful rose]

[modern grail]

its a different situation now thst you have 1640, youll realize it ass to solo raid on ilvl

[toxic tinsel]

no it isnt

i did it

on 1540

are you dentge

[modern grail]

youll realize soon dw

[toxic tinsel]

[dull obsidian]

bro

I am

[toxic tinsel]

mf

[dull obsidian]

gonna kill my sf

istg

[toxic tinsel]

I did it on 1540

and it was fine

[dull obsidian]

vueko will die again

[toxic tinsel]

for like 2 weeks

???

[urban obsidian]

mail gems

[modern grail]

pistoleer wasnt my main tho

[toxic tinsel]

i hate this baiting shin guy

grrr

[mystic basin]

what

[toxic tinsel]

[modern grail]

[mystic basin]

you didnt main pistooler?

[modern grail]

bro i have artist icon ever since

[mystic basin]

huh

[lucid fractal]

Guys ignite server transfer might be delayed

[modern grail]

i main pistoleer, its not my main character tho

[lucid fractal]

https://tenor.com/view/look-up-scared-willem-dafoe-gif-17761333

[supple parrot]

it also takes TIME, time that ppl should spend on learning the actual relevant content

[mystic basin]

https://tenor.com/view/ltg-british-food-mods-low-tier-god-gif-9108075214677777615

[modern grail]

artist has always been my main

[mystic basin]

[lucid fractal]

erm

furry

[mystic basin]

schizo moment ig

[modern grail]

true

go drink ur meds

also pistoleer is god tier

[lucid fractal]

good joke

just like aly said wd is s tier

[dull obsidian]

If I kill my SF

I get 1.5m gold

[wintry depot]

whats the thing on middle of your face

[dull obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/sakurako-sakurako-blue-archive-blue-archive-trinity-blue-archive-gif-12373199697958053750

[urban obsidian]

and it goes into my bank

[toxic tinsel]

ok we're talking about me tho

ive already learned everything but g4

[toxic tinsel]

what happened to the other 500k

[lucid fractal]

What thing

[toxic tinsel]

[mystic basin]

wait you already did aegir

i still cant get a group

[modern grail]

no what im saying berry, back then the only thing you can do is to play solo raids. now that youve already done group raids with ur main char, youll realize how ass it is to play solo raids on ilvl char and it just takes too much time to do to the point its not even worth doing for 1800 gold

[lucid fractal]

no what im saying berry, back then the only thing you can do is to play solo raids. now that youve already done group raids with ur main char, youll realize how ass it is to play solo raids on ilvl char and it just takes too much time to do to the point its not even worth doing for 1800 gold

[modern grail]

skill issue

[mystic basin]

i got a sup

[modern grail]

[modern grail]

wait hone that

[mystic basin]

but that was literally a troll

[toxic tinsel]

i did it like 20x on ignite and it was fine

[modern grail]

too mucb support shortage

[toxic tinsel]

and i have much less on ignite

[lucid fractal]

Masochist berry

[mystic basin]

dude dc'd the start

[modern grail]

and ignite has?

[mystic basin]

dc'd again the didnt come back

[bright whale]

@queen grail /10?

[toxic tinsel]

much less than my main

worse runes no tripods

[modern grail]

no

[toxic tinsel]

ya

@ 1540

[modern grail]

its gives you straight up free cards and gems

[queen grail]

BunchaCryBabies in Behemoth, I swear to god One little mistake from someone and they have a meltdown.

[toxic tinsel]

which is what i have

[modern grail]

legacy will only give u lvl 7 gems

[toxic tinsel]

already

[ancient tundra]

Yo kevin vinicius deserved to win wtf was the bullshit

[dull obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/your-memes-end-here-metal-gear-rising-raiden-metal-gear-memes-gif-24598930

@urban obsidian

[modern grail]

no?

[ancient tundra]

Internet malding rn

Asking to redo

[toxic tinsel]

the cards? ya

[urban obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/ぼっちざろっく-ぼざろ-bocchi-the-rock-kita-ikuyo-kita-gif-27287589

[modern grail]

you dont even have dd30 man

[toxic tinsel]

dd24 and dd30 basically the same

[modern grail]

what are u on aboot

[modern grail]

lol

no

[lucid fractal]

https://tenor.com/view/metal-gear-rising-jetstream-sam-gif-25214618

[cunning mesa]

finally done with most of my stuff in lost ark 😎 time to chill

[toxic tinsel]

2% damage

[wintry depot]

im cold

[lucid fractal]

nerdge

[modern grail]

the fuck happened to u why is ur brain not working today

[rugged lynx]

do you have every mokoko seed?

[tulip charm]

Me too

[cunning mesa]

i think i can get last taps with the gold from shop

[lucid fractal]

Me too

[cunning mesa]

im not going for mokokos anymore

[supple parrot]

i wouldnt say u have learned echidna at least idk how u did in behe and thaemine

[tulip charm]

Got way colder here in the last few days

[rugged lynx]

then ur not done

[cunning mesa]

last 100 dont give interesting rewards

[ancient tundra]

Then stop being cold

[modern grail]

how is that the same? + add it up with full lvl 8 gems

its not the same

[lucid fractal]

ALRIGHT

[toxic tinsel]

i have learned nm i just was having bad night