This sounds true.
#lost-ark-discussions
queen grail
dawn yacht
queen grail
Of you? In sexy maid costumes? 
fervent ibex
imagine not knowing leak sites
the FBI wanna talk
nova garden
Of you? In sexy maid costumes? <a:huh:1090966849551876296>
No, that’s a different folder.
queen grail
No, that’s a different folder.
stark thicket
I was going to get a nas+mini self hosting setup going for myself. To self host my own website and other server related stuff... The initial investment is quite a bit tho. Currently I'm running my own website on Amazon web service for 1 dollar a month lmao ( setup my own security, setup the front and back end, and wrote website in CSS/html and Java script )
ancient tundra
wintry depot
I was going to get a nas+mini self hosting setup going for myself. To self host my own website and other server related stuff... The initial investment is quite a bit tho. Currently I'm running my own website on Amazon web service for 1 dollar a month lmao ( setup my own security, setup the front and back end, and wrote website in CSS/html and Java script )
nova garden
I just got my NAS as a gift 
queen grail
I was going to get a nas+mini self hosting setup going for myself. To self host...
ARNA!
dim lark
the FBI wanna talk
of sells their data to ai porn websites
nobody would care
dawn yacht
I just got my NAS as a gift <:artistcaught:1213076338760622090>
gift for sending nudes ?
Hi Train.
nova garden
It was a gift 
wintry depot
Not even 2hrs
nova garden
The sexy maid costume you have?
The NAS
queen grail
Who gifted that?
kindred ravine
Damn the one with the donuts actually is leaked 
dawn yacht
It was a gift <:Ok:1042913281624518658>
videos too it seems
sand marsh
queen grail
Damn the one with the donuts actually is leaked <:kekw:977662299928145971>
Show 
For Science.
dawn yacht
Damn the one with the donuts actually is leaked <:kekw:977662299928145971>
most OF acc are leaked
nova garden
Most things in general are leaked
kindred ravine
Well ofc. People appreciate the hook up 
queen grail
Not even 2hrs
🤓 Actually, It's been 2 hours and 17min.
kindred ravine
Yeah like my private information and ssn!
dawn yacht
🤓 Actually, It's been 2 hours and 17min.
fervent ibex
🤓 Actually, It's been 2 hours and 17min.
empty sleet
🤓
queen grail
<a:nerdgechatting:1052009320436478062>
nova garden
Alright, back to translating.
stark thicket
Me and glasses hiding right now
queen grail
nova garden
https://tenor.com/view/log-horizon-akatsuki-gif-22808616
This anime was so good
queen grail
This anime was so good <:Ok:1042913281624518658>
It's a great one, and the Assassin girl so cute 
stark thicket
Never finished it
queen grail
This anime was so good <:Ok:1042913281624518658>
stark thicket
I'd rather watch the kingdom anime.. but Everytime I recommend that anime people puke at the first season animation
Trust me it gets better
midnight marlin
uncut stratus
midnight marlin
does everyone include me
vagrant cradle
robust birch
brit
supple parrot
thunder storm happenin, hope no power outage during raid 
stark thicket
https://tenor.com/view/cat-komaru-gif-7014721434140637140
supple parrot
sand marsh
anyone have 104 cube tickets to run with me?
kindred ravine
I can’t sleep maybe I’ll just stay up 
stark thicket
<:Weirdga:905213052276862986>
robust birch
anyone have 104 cube tickets to run with me?
u never pinged me for echidna bus
kindred ravine
anyone have 104 cube tickets to run with me?
Not saving for next month to push lv70?
sand marsh
u never pinged me for echidna bus
it never happened
robust birch
toxic
robust birch
i ended up not doing it
kindred ravine
Yeah scalp got bussed instead
dim lark
oh, u bussed chuan
i see
robust birch
toxic
sand marsh
i assumed u alrdy did it
dim lark
bold of you to assume degen has hands
robust birch
no i was waiting for my good friends scalp and chuan
pulsar vector
10 seconds after spawning into Sonavel.. can anyone guess the pally server?
sand marsh
no i was waiting for my good friends scalp and chuan
what the
kindred ravine
Spoilers alert he doesn’t
kindred ravine
10 seconds after spawning into Sonavel.. can anyone guess the pally server?
Azena?
dusk storm
does anyone know as a new player do they just needed trusted status to receive the event powerpass?
sand marsh
yes they do
wintry depot
does anyone know as a new player do they just needed trusted status to receive t...
Yes
pulsar vector
Vaigrys 
kindred ravine
Which one merges from Azena?
sand marsh
vaigrys is the SA server
pulsar vector
oh and died as in like they left
kindred ravine
Oh
pulsar vector
like they quit sonavel cuz the striker had level 2 set
robust birch
fair
vagrant cradle
sand marsh
its a guardian who cares
pulsar vector
striker also had eclipse and 240 roster
kindred ravine
You
robust birch
if he can do all that then he can do a couple kayas
dim lark
also who does sonavel in 2024
not everybody is a 🐳
pulsar vector
returning players with garbo alts like me 
sand marsh
returning players with garbo alts like me <:deadge:1046748734807093330>
just dont quit
dim lark
free 2 pay
sand marsh
pulsar vector
just dont quit
i burnt myself out before
wont happen again 🙂
3 paladins
half the time ur afk xD
wintry depot
Half? More like 90%
dim lark
u wouldnt understand
wintry depot
U dont need efforts to achieve good uptime
noble relic
haven't played for a long time is there still a big bot problem?
pulsar vector
nope
wintry depot
Not really
turbid oriole
no i was waiting for my good friends scalp and chuan
Wtf
pulsar vector
just a new players cant play cuz they get banned for being bots when they arent problem
wintry depot
Theres bots but its not annoying
turbid oriole
Wigboi ditched you agay
dim lark
there are still bots but idk how tf they making money tbh
turbid oriole
Again
wintry depot
there are still bots but idk how tf they making money tbh
Life skills
robust birch
Wigboi ditched you agay
classic
dim lark
Life skills
that's like 10k gold every 3 days , idk if that s worth
noble relic
are the solo raids good way to learn the new raids?
wintry depot
are the solo raids good way to learn the new raids?
Sure but there wont be the endgame raids there
nova garden
Sure
pulsar vector
newest raids dont have solo yet
but for all the raids that have solo, yes great way to learn
i would NEVER go into a group raid before killing it solo atp, unless we are talking raids that dont have a solo
noble relic
are lobbies mainly looking for support or dps currently for the new raids?
vagrant cradle
supple parrot
this dude dies every pull and bids on the box 
supple parrot
gleaming pendant
robust birch
vagrant cradle
noble relic
is there any updated class tierlist?]
robust birch
probably
noble relic
where can I find?
robust birch
noble relic
all i find is from 5 months ago
noble relic
they lowkey accurate tho
wintry depot
No
noble relic
i wanna play meta
robust birch
No
noble relic
if u spend a lot lol
some classes require less to actually mvp a lot and that's why they meta
wintry depot
Meta changes all the time
Thats why tierlists are trash
And if youre good at the game, u can mvp on any class
robust birch
maybe he needs tierlist bc he isnt good
buoyant wagon
if you're playing with people worse/less geared then you sure
meanwhile gunslinger currently
wintry depot
Gs still better than co
azure valley
i wanna play meta
how do you follow meta if you dont spend a lot
noble relic
is there any class that get's gojo satoru domain expansion?
wintry depot
Exactly
uneven mortar
how do you follow meta if you dont spend a lot <:monkaHmm:852993226285776897>
f2p investor
azure valley
neria going hard 
buoyant wagon
deathboi best person for wig advice
uneven mortar
buy low sell high
buoyant wagon
neria going hard <:EZ:965819818118889552>
1670 when
noble relic
is there any class like skibidi toilet or kai cenat?
buoyant wagon
azure valley
now can funnel orehas to main
gleaming pendant
U can mvp on every class
what if iget shadownerfed
sand marsh
deathboi best person for wig advice
fuck u
buoyant wagon
do you get summoned every time someone mentions wigs
like instead of drawing some satanic summoning circle
someone just has to type "wigs"
gleaming pendant
dawn yacht
sand marsh
noble relic
found a tierlist is it cap or fact
buoyant wagon
the top row is cracked yes
noble relic
what class is the top left one?
nova garden
found a tierlist is it cap or fact
This is the only objectively correct tier list.
gleaming pendant
the top row is cracked yes
he see tier list but then can't play to its minimum req
robust birch
gunslinger
gleaming pendant
noble relic
This is the only objectively correct tier list.
that's a lot of tiers
pulsar vector
This is the only objectively correct tier list.
so W for Winning?
rancid tapir
Do solo raid give unbound gold anymore?
nova garden
so W for Winning?
W stands for W
robust birch
no
pulsar vector
dawn yacht
So wind fury is wumbo ?
dawn yacht
Are you saying patrick is lying
nova garden
Yes
noble relic
It starts with w
i just realized your tierlist is troll
nova garden
neon cedar
I wombo, you wombo, he she we WOMBO
noble relic
how tf do people even play solo raids as supports
nova garden
With dps build
noble relic
that's tough u gotta invest in a whole different build
sand marsh
not much investing loo
robust birch
engravings are free
neon cedar
Free engravings, basically free gems, basically free 100 qual junk accessories
Free tripods from all the ones they hand out
noble relic
what happened to gem prices? i see they are like 180k for lvl 10 dmg
pulsar vector
t4
robust birch
they went down
dawn yacht
@kindred ravine 
vagrant cradle
pulsar vector
what happened to gem prices? i see they are like 180k for lvl 10 dmg
t4 has new gems
pulsar vector
no
stark thicket
<@700464318172627025> <:KEKL:793904721261887516>
pulsar vector
september tentatively
noble relic
oh so people panic sell them because they useless soon
rare quartz
They still won't be useless no? I thought it transfers over
robust birch
they wont be useless
rare quartz
Lv10 becomes what? Lv8? Tier 4
noble relic
aren't they half effective when new tier?
dawn yacht
<:hm:1260843335699009579>
stark thicket
had to look if im in the right channel
severe ember
aren't they half effective when new tier?
Not this time around
dawn yacht
<:Birdge:1042590001222930512> had to look if im in the right channel
You are 
robust birch
if you transfer them to t4 yes
gleaming pendant
severe ember
T3 gems does exactly what they do now in t4
rare quartz
Yeh that's not bad. So 9 tier 3 lv10s becomes 1 tier 4 Lv10.
@buoyant wagon probably already has 99 tier 3 lv10s ready for tier 4 full lv10s
nova garden
https://tenor.com/view/me-omw-to-mating-press-you-isopod-insect-marine-life-corv...
me first
robust birch
99 aint gonna cover the whole roster
rare quartz
99 aint gonna cover the whole roster
He focuses on his db tho
buoyant wagon
i actually have no gems saved
buoyant wagon
im planning to just buy t4 gems with cash
azure valley
gems aren't really giga worth anyways since they turn linear
robust birch
from amazon right
buoyant wagon
yeah accessories are where the most power gain is at
supple parrot
robust birch
chuan i heard u guys ditched me
midnight marlin
serenei getting triple legend acc
robust birch
again
neon cedar
It's like a summoning gif
midnight marlin
gleaming pendant
gems aren't really giga worth anyways since they turn linear
theres one person in my group that has
99
t3 gems
azure valley
yikes
gleaming pendant
I wonder who
azure valley
but even then
gleaming pendant
azure valley
you gotta gamba
noble relic
are engraving supports permament now?
azure valley
gonna lose millions if unlucky 
stark thicket
buoyant wagon
I wonder who
does the name start with n and end in a
buoyant wagon
gleaming pendant
uneven mortar
you can just buy rolled accesory right
buoyant wagon
gonna lose millions if unlucky <:KEKW:834726120606924850>
which is why im just buying them straight up over time
midnight marlin
are engraving supports permament now?
ye
gleaming pendant
gonna lose millions if unlucky <:KEKW:834726120606924850>
gamblers only lose when you stop gambling
azure valley
i prob just use 8s for awhile
buoyant wagon
ill run full 10s around the end of the year or early next year
gleaming pendant
ill run full 10s around the end of the year or early next year
thats 2 month away from
t4
rare quartz
Question about engraving support. Since tw getting 4x3 support this Thurs. Do I only need a bunch of correct stat high quality accessories for my alts. And use engraving support?
gleaming pendant
robust birch
Question about engraving support. Since tw getting 4x3 support this Thurs. Do I ...
What
We have free 5x3 rn
severe ember
Ye just get high quality accs
rare quartz
Taiwan server
supple parrot
Lmao nova has 99 lv10s
noble relic
what's top 3 most popular dps classes?
supple parrot
?
robust birch
Did they shut down tw
buoyant wagon
no
rare quartz
Ye just get high quality accs
What about ability stone?
rare quartz
Can I just use any stone for the hp
uneven mortar
wait you dont have anual leave?
robust birch
They have cn why have tw
rare quartz
Ahh got it
severe ember
Doesnt matter, get whatever stone with many points for vitality
robust birch
Merge with cn
severe ember
Why are you guys bullying
buoyant wagon
im just loaning my account out to my guild now
since i havent logged on in over a month
severe ember
EU/NA barely has any numbers to brag about either
rare quartz
robust birch
EU/NA barely has any numbers to brag about either
Are u dumb
buoyant wagon
taiwan is kind of a questionable release to begin with
and bots are a major problem there
well, soon to be addressed with bound gold
but they fucked the economy hard in the first two months
rare quartz
@buoyant wagon When can I have ur artist leg out. 
buoyant wagon
never
severe ember
Are u dumb
What part of what I said makes me look stupid?
buoyant wagon
rare quartz
U don't even play anymore bruh
robust birch
What part of what I said makes me look stupid?
25k vs 2k
severe ember
So what? My point was that playerbase in west is low aswell
robust birch
Ok but it's not 2k low
severe ember
Maybe you are the dumb one
rare quartz
Guild has this new wd. Full 10s. Full +20
rare quartz
Kakul isn't even out
rare quartz
And he's maxed already
robust birch
Ban
midnight marlin
radiants?
midnight marlin
o
rare quartz
Tw only getting kakul next week
supple parrot
still promoting after warning
Is the mod team finally gonna do something about these disgusting rmters?
buoyant wagon
i'd do kakul
rare quartz
So we're far behind
buoyant wagon
but i'll be playing diablo 2 with some friends that week
robust birch
Is the mod team finally gonna do something about these disgusting rmters?
U owe me hm echidna next week
supple parrot
As a f2p enjoyer I’m disgusted by u clowns
buoyant wagon
gg
supple parrot
midnight marlin
Is the mod team finally gonna do something about these disgusting rmters?
you're first to go
buoyant wagon
sand marsh
supple parrot
you're first to go
buoyant wagon
i remember buying these at 1k each
rare quartz
What
sand marsh
ripe swallow
oh my GOD mario on high ping is fucking unbearable
rare quartz
They're 800g per in NA?
buoyant wagon
this was at launch
robust birch
Get lower ping
rare quartz
Oh
sand marsh
oh my GOD mario on high ping is fucking unbearable
mario 3.. yeah.
sand marsh
the first jump is themost important
rare quartz
At launch I was selling them at 1k per
ripe swallow
Get lower ping
shit it was that easy
uneven mortar
ripe swallow
silly me
rare quartz
Maybe cuz naw
nova garden
oh my GOD mario on high ping is fucking unbearable
watching stoopzz do that on RU servers with giga high ping was funny
nova garden
Maybe cuz naw
naw peaked much higher than nae for gleaps
buoyant wagon
and buy an artist dress
im pretty sure gold isnt that expensive there
due to all the bots the past months
buoyant wagon
go make your girlfriend buy you one
rare quartz
naw peaked much higher than nae for gleaps
More whales in naw. Like someone I know who's name I won't name but begins with c and ends with huan
buoyant wagon
uneven mortar
its kinda sad now alot of chinese players went to cn lost ark
rare to see cn players now
robust birch
Cn players playing on cn server
rare quartz
Honestly. I should have played cn servers. But it's too late now
robust birch
wow what a surprise
U and chuan taking me hm echidna next week
sand marsh
if i played on CN i would quit day 1
rare quartz
Gotta swipe alot to catch up tho
buoyant wagon
only drawback is you dont really get free skins
uneven mortar
problem is all the bots now in china
buoyant wagon
nah, they give out a lot of event mats
supple parrot
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/852619895119020033/1273891230992039948/Tu...
Stfu bald ass weeb ass rmt ass mf
uneven mortar
no more cheap shit
buoyant wagon
it's viable to play 1 character f2p as long as you dont do akkan hm
well, now it is
previously during brel it wasnt really
rare quartz
problem is all the bots now in china
I thought cn has little bots. Since u need ID for an account
At least less than na/eu
uneven mortar
where did all the bots go then
buoyant wagon
taiwan
rare quartz
Na/eu
buoyant wagon
because taiwan allows hong kong and malaysia numbers
buoyant wagon
and taiwan numbers arent hard to get
they finally started banning them
that and
taiwan has like 1000-2000 players left
rare quartz
Especially when bound gold coming next week
rare quartz
Better off with na/EU whales
buoyant wagon
need it for NA, buying a new computer, doing some house renovations, plan for extended stay in taiwan in near future (because dad is about to 
), and need to replace car in a year or two
rare quartz
No money to swipe. Rip
buoyant wagon
going to rip out all the grass in my garden and replace it with rocks
because having grass in the middle of a fucking desert was a dumb idea to begin with
buoyant wagon
siblings from a previous marriage
uneven mortar
damn
buoyant wagon
also only son but that doesnt matter
buoyant wagon
stark thicket
if i played on CN i would quit day 1
rare quartz
@buoyant wagon oh u lent ur acc to the vice guild leader
buoyant wagon
yeah
buoyant wagon
they've always been whales
uneven mortar
the price tanked
rare quartz
@uneven mortar in tw bro
rare quartz
they've always been whales
Legit whale?
rare quartz
Guess not
buoyant wagon
you dont even swipe legit either
rare quartz
Yeh I don't
buoyant wagon
only morons or those with fuck you levels of money swipe legit
rare quartz
But I barely swipe. Still sitting at full 7s
rare quartz
Hmm don't remember
buoyant wagon
meanwhile the RC equivalent was like 15k?
sand marsh
buoyant wagon
if anything people just swiped $2k USD to get KDA jacket
rare quartz
Now prices are like double now since bound gold coming
buoyant wagon
then fucked right off back to buying gold off 8591
sand marsh
im surprised it took them years to figure out bound gold idea
people mentioned that shit eons ago
sand marsh
in regions other than KR there was
rare quartz
Is na/EU getting bound gold?
buoyant wagon
AGS can't modify the game
sand marsh
we already have it
rare quartz
To what extent tho
buoyant wagon
solo raids all bound gold
sand marsh
AGS can't modify the game
yea i get that, but there profits would of been higher if bound gold was introduced a longgg time ago
buoyant wagon
unas bound gold
buoyant wagon
keep in mind
sand marsh
they must be bozos when it comes to how to make money
uneven mortar
i thought its partial
buoyant wagon
bound gold only exists because of China
because Tencent is able to make and push for such changes in their version
sand marsh
yea but it doesnt take divine insight to figure out such a idea
buoyant wagon
even if the idea existed here
sand marsh
if smilegate wanted way more money they coulda introduced bound gold a long time ago in NA
buoyant wagon
it would not have been implemented
SG doesnt give two shits about NA
whatever money it makes is just a cherry on top
kind of like how Nexon gives 0 fucks about NA maplestory
sand marsh
you sure? we were above KR when it came to revenue at some point lol
if they dont care about that they just stupid
buoyant wagon
like the first couple of months
azure valley
armchair developer baldboi at it again
buoyant wagon
which is not sustainable
you dont look at honeymoon period profits as a sustainable metric
uneven mortar
look at the steam graph
buoyant wagon
im sure Taiwan was outspending NA/EU in the first month also
uneven mortar
sand marsh
yea but still, the profit margin could of been way higher if they simply added a few lines of code to introduce bold gold to una tokens
bet it cost next to nothing to do that
azure valley
just a few lines of code
buoyant wagon
everyone has characters parked high up
uneven mortar
goodness me
azure valley
Ez
azure valley
just write a few lines of code and we have t5
sand marsh
just write a few lines of code and we have t5
looking at how the ark passive is, im sure thats what it took
stupid smilegate
gleaming pendant
armchair developer baldboi at it again
buoyant wagon
bound gold would have been a idiotic idea back when people where still cutting rocks all day
buying books
buying level 7 gems on their mains
gleaming pendant
bound gold would have been a idiotic idea back when people where still cutting r...
I mean its typical streamer with L take
buoyant wagon
typical bald take
buoyant wagon
that still would have mattered lol
the only reason it doesnt matter now is because the people left still playing are "done" at the moment
sand marsh
una token is a drop in the bucket for people who actually play the game
even back then lol
gleaming pendant
the only reason it doesnt matter now is because the people left still playing ar...
yea like that moismthraei guy
stark thicket
when books were 15k a pop
buoyant wagon
that several thousand gold would matter when people were still buying stuff off market all the time
buoyant wagon
yea like that moismthraei guy
sand marsh
it wouldnt of broke the gameplay experience for people, and in return - bots would have to through extra hoops
seems like a win situation to me
ripe swallow
watching stoopzz do that on RU servers with giga high ping was funny
god i just saw this
so relatable
😭
buoyant wagon
if you really thought bound unas wouldnt have rubbed a lot of people the wrong way back at launch
i dont know what to say
sand marsh
if they had hindsight into how the bot infestation woulda been, im sure they will be ok
buoyant wagon
bots didnt kill the game here
uneven mortar
buoyant wagon
there are like a dozen other issues that fucked the game harder than bots
the only time bots were actually annoying were the queue times
but that was like a month
stark thicket
[thumbup](https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1098792835446227024.webp?size=48&qua...
they were so happy to see 900k users which 50k were actual players
sand marsh
it's a contributing factor, especially when it comes to party finder
sand marsh
using the forbidden website yea sure
ripe swallow
forbidden 
uneven mortar
those extra resources helped people like @supple parrot to get resources to hone his char through bussing
uneven mortar
bots bring in alot of resources
supple parrot
those extra resources helped people like <@204004021244133376> to get resources ...
Haven’t bussed in over a year. Literally just play the game and hone with bounds
uneven mortar
if its not cuz of bots we wont be getting 100 usd per 500-600k
sand marsh
bots bring in alot of resources
economically, it's not a good thing
uneven mortar
and cheap mats
uneven mortar
sand marsh
buoyant wagon
argos release, stale gameplay, rng simulator, gatekeeping, and release schedule each individually made more people quit than bots did, almost certainly
uneven mortar
the gameplay loop and time commitment required kinda kills the game
sand marsh
pretty sure the biggest drop off was around clown and brel
buoyant wagon
if you think people quitting over bots and rmt make up a significant portion of quitters in any game, i have a bridge to sell you
uneven mortar
alot of people that took holiday dont come back usually
sand marsh
difficulty of the raid was too much for people
buoyant wagon
yes, this game is too hard for casuals
and not really that challenging for anyone who is decent at video games (especially ARPG style gameplay)
sand marsh
if you think people quitting over bots and rmt make up a significant portion of ...
im not saying a ton of people quit over rmt and bots
uneven mortar
problem is the way the game is structured is really screwed, consider a case where oyu only want to play one char
sand marsh
but when a lot of people do rmt, and there's those that don't
uneven mortar
you finish a raid for 3 weeks
uneven mortar
but from week 4 onward oyu wont be able to join cuz title gatekeep
buoyant wagon
you know that most people who are rmting hard enough to be gigawhales aren't pugging their lobbies right
uneven mortar
or you have to deal with really shit parties that burns you out
buoyant wagon
so they aren't in the gatekeeping equation
and back when the game had 6 digit players
sand marsh
you dont have to be a gigawhale to buy full 10s on a few characters lol
buoyant wagon
there were plenty of lobbies to go around
sand marsh
or even all 6
viscid sand
you dont have to be a gigawhale to buy full 10s on a few characters lol
Why use real money when you can just sell your soul to the game?
sand marsh
they are running around with 7s
buoyant wagon
how many people do you think could afford dropping $1k on each character in gems
sand marsh
i gatekeep those people because there's plenty of people who have full 10s
buoyant wagon
most of those people were playing with each other to begin with
sand marsh
a single dmg 10 was like $200 back in late 2022
im not talking about in 2022
uneven mortar
you know that most people who are rmting hard enough to be gigawhales aren't pug...
mb easier to find whale parties in usa time, but in oce even if i can spend 10k and get maxed gear the pool of geared player is thin
buoyant wagon
gatekeeping would be just as bad of an issue if you removed rmt
sand marsh
talking about rn xdd
buoyant wagon
because some people naturally play less
start later
put less investment into characters
uneven mortar
back then the sg/cn players with their geared ass helped abit in pugs
sand marsh
of course, but that honeymoon phase wouldn't of been that bad, and the outliers would of been more obvious
uneven mortar
but now most of them alr left
buoyant wagon
and the game letting you fully inspect everyone while having punishing mechs in raids encourages you to gatekeep
sand marsh
when everyone starts on the same playing field, it feels more fair
buoyant wagon
average zerk player being a moron? gg your class is gatekept
gatekeeping wasnt even consistently brought up as an issue back in 2022
there were plenty of lobbies to go by
sand marsh
when the player numbers dwindle and a ton of people RMT, your just out of luck without friends
or get lucky in lobby sim
or play since launch
uneven mortar
i think the game is just too hardcore to be played casually
buoyant wagon
if you're not sweaty you're out of luck
viscid sand
thats the cycle for a lot of mmos 
uneven mortar
even if you spend money tou feel tired
buoyant wagon
dont even have to add rmt or spending in the equation
the game de facto encourages you to gatekeep
viscid sand
it's just more apparent in loa since the main thing is just raiding
buoyant wagon
you dont think min ilvl people gatekeep each other?
sand marsh
thats the cycle for a lot of mmos <:kekpoint:1053919650565607494>
not the ones i've played. but i dont play KRMMOs besides this one and Aion
uneven mortar
for example archeage you can just drop 5gs and you can start fragging
stark thicket
weekly doomposting in discord
viscid sand
in WoW, if you're behind in mythic keys, you're out of luck for weeks
ripe swallow
i think the game is just too hardcore to be played casually
whats wrong with just
playing casually
viscid sand
in tera, only the latest 3 raids actually matter, some people play the lower raids for fun but less so
sand marsh
well WoW is a lot different, you don't have to do mythic to feel a sense of progression
ripe swallow
you dont have to be on the bleeding edge all the time no?
sand marsh
you can craft or just stick to LFR
viscid sand
it's just more apparent in loa since the main thing is just raiding
yes, i know breh.
buoyant wagon
you dont have to be on the bleeding edge all the time no?
because you end up getting gatekept when you want to start doing content
viscid sand
but in loa
buoyant wagon
the video game equivalent of "5 years of experience for entry level job"
viscid sand
you only feel behind or are actually behind because you're chasing end-endgame
buoyant wagon
like if Icy, who never plays the game and only rides busses, suddenly decides he wants to run thaemine g3 and g4
uneven mortar
even end endgame player feel like shit when your static brings their sorry ass chars
ripe swallow
surely wouldn't be a big issue if you find a community or something
viscid sand
ricefarmers having the time of their lives raking in dough with 1 main and 5 brel slaves for months before the nerfs
buoyant wagon
his no 40 set ass with minimal transcendence is not getting into any teams
sand marsh
well ofc, there's no hard resets. WoW has had like 14 expansions. if there were no expansions and just infinite power creep, it would feel almost as bad.
buoyant wagon
the thing is, it shouldn't be on the onus of players to find friends and a community just to play the game
sure, it sounds intuitive
and it's the "right" way to play a multiplayer online game
ripe swallow
even before i played lost ark way back during kr launch the game was already like this though
buoyant wagon
but lots of people can't be bothered to do that, they just want to log on and play
uneven mortar
i play in oce hours, finding appropriately geared player takes a long time
gleaming pendant
in tera, only the latest 3 raids actually matter, some people play the lower ra...
ripe swallow
standard kr mmo formula
buoyant wagon
which is why games like FF14 that let you just log on and play without worrying about gatekeeping are popular
sand marsh
there is no right or wrong way to play a multiplayer game in my opinion. the people that say "go find a guild or friend" make me want to slur
we are not in 2004 WoW era anymore
severe ember
Go find a guild or friend
sand marsh
MMO dynamic has drastically changed
wintry depot
Go find a guild or friend
uneven mortar
which is why games like FF14 that let you just log on and play without worrying ...
need game like this with coom and updated graphic
viscid sand
i mean they're not wrong
sand marsh
nah there wrong lol
uneven mortar
evn if you pay up and get good, finding other 7 people is still pain in the ass cuz how the gameplay works
viscid sand
only friends would "allow" you to be shit at the game, skillwise or gearwise
stark thicket
we are not in 2004 WoW era anymore
sound old
buoyant wagon
you can't tell the majority of your playerbase, which is casual
ripe swallow
im sure those with less gear can still clear the raids but most raid leaders just rather take people with better gear instead i guess which causes an infinite loop
buoyant wagon
that they have to go hop on discord or shout for hours in game to find people just to fucking play the content with
ripe swallow
because the game basically is made such that if you're on ilvl you better not fuck up a single mech or you're wiping
buoyant wagon
they'll just go to another game that lets them do that without going through all the hoops
sand marsh
a lot of casuals want to play by themselves, but in a vast open world with other players. it's not a odd ideology. that's why most MMOs have multiple means of progression that doesn't require group play.
uneven mortar
mythic raiding you can choose not to do, problem with loa raid is you ahve to do for vertical progression but its really punishing
lol
echidna is so tilting for me
ripe swallow
that they have to go hop on discord or shout for hours in game to find people ju...
solo raids is a good step in resolving this
uneven mortar
cause one guy make mistake and he fucks over everyone
buoyant wagon
except solo raids is all bound gold
ripe swallow
yeah
uneven mortar
esp on the little snake parts
ripe swallow
pros and cons
ripe swallow
it will eventually
sand marsh
solo raids is a good step in resolving this
unless the solo raid release cadence is heavily sped up, it's a band aid in my opinion. also, it's completely bound.
ripe swallow
honestly idk why it took them this long to add solo raids
buoyant wagon
and it makes sense they dont want solo raid to be a 1:1 alternative
sand marsh
if it's always 3 raids behind, it's a band aid.
buoyant wagon
because then it pulls players away from multiplayer
ripe swallow
it should have been here ages ago
buoyant wagon
and the game is intended to be multiplayer
viscid sand
and it does not cover the latest raids
which doesnt really matter unless you're chasing hyper-endgame 
buoyant wagon
it's going to matter once t4 is out
sand marsh
because then it pulls players away from multiplayer
if it pulls people away from multiplayer and they are scared of that, it's very telling.
buoyant wagon
when you need to interact with the market again
sand marsh
on why it would pull people away
viscid sand
and if those players are still not going to go multiplayer, they can legit just chill with 24x1600 characters if they wanted
buoyant wagon
i would hardly call that playing the game
viscid sand
nothing really incentivises them to push higher unless they want to interact with the community
buoyant wagon
it's the equivalent of sitting 1 expansion behind in another game
sand marsh
the ideology that you need to play with others to reach endgame is such a silly concept to me. i'll never understand it.
ripe swallow
i would hardly call that playing the game
hey if people want to play the game like that theres their choice i guess lol
single player lost ark mode
uneven mortar
it's going to matter once t4 is out
transcendence and advanced honing brought to t4 is the dumbest design decision, if they clean the slate with t4 new players might join into the progression
buoyant wagon
if it pulls people away from multiplayer and they are scared of that, it's very ...
well no shit, it matters because the game is at the end of a day a MMORPG
not a single player simulator
and since lockouts exist
removing people from the multiplayer pool is a terrible idea
uneven mortar
it took me 7 hours to get 105 transcendence
sand marsh
need i remind you that other MMOs are different than this lol
uneven mortar
and thats with force quitting trick
sand marsh
lost ark can just take the good from other MMOs, ez pz
buoyant wagon
which is why they should just remove lockouts
uneven mortar
in and out 20 times to clear the board firs
sand marsh
in WoW i can do the latest content a few weeks after the raid comes out, in LFR. no need to join a guild, discord, etc.
viscid sand
like most of these shitters wont really play with each other either. and most of the geared players wont look at them. there is no solution without leveraging on the mercy of other players
buoyant wagon
but they wont remove lockouts because they dont like the fact that bussers can circumvent their design of artificially limiting how much gold you can make a week
sand marsh
i press a button, im in the raid.
sand marsh
but smilegate wants solo raids to be years behind the current raid
buoyant wagon
but at the same time they wont get rid of bussing because too many of their players do it
sand marsh
which means imo, solo raids are dead on arrival
buoyant wagon
if people want to bus just fuckin let them lol
they're waffling on this issue for the reasons i stated
dont like people circumventing their weekly gold limit
uneven mortar
they are fucking with the casual players
buoyant wagon
but can't touch the golden goose because players mad if they do
ripe swallow
which means imo, solo raids are dead on arrival
they're still good for new players like me though
i can still at least play the game
viscid sand
every raid is just a bus. it's just a matter if people are paying or not
ripe swallow
if they didnt exist i couldnt do anything probably
sand marsh
they're still good for new players like me though
sure, but after doing ivory for the 100th time and cant get into the next raid, you start to question why you still play this game.
ripe swallow
who tf is gonna run these old raids with me
severe ember
i press a button, im in the raid.
This could work and would probably be quite popular. Reduce difficulty of normal significantly and make the matchmaking system better. They already have systems in play to make this work, they just need to do it aswell
modern grail
i can still at least play the game
i like this guy
modern grail
sure, but after doing ivory for the 100th time and cant get into the next raid, ...
stfu not all fomo like u
buoyant wagon
pretty much every issue is related in some way to monetization and profits
severe ember
Normal mode doesnt have to and shouldnt have imo, raid wipes
viscid sand
sure, but after doing ivory for the 100th time and cant get into the next raid, ...
that's when you can touch grass and wait for the next solo raid
modern grail
can we ban baldboi
sand marsh
stfu not all fomo like u
im not talking about fomo
sand marsh
that's when you can touch grass and wait for the next solo raid
yea thaemine solo in 2026
what a joke
ripe swallow
i dont need to be in the latest raid as long as i can still enjoy myself
fervent ibex
baldboi doesn't fomo, he just needs to be at the latest content all the time or his life has no meaning
thats NOT fomo
viscid sand
ya i mean, it's always good to actually take a break from a game
ripe swallow
its a game in the end i dont wanna stress over it
viscid sand
and not feel the need to swipe to play what you want
modern grail
im not talking about fomo
nah uh u the 2nd coming chuan
sand marsh
just have ur casual players quit for years until the next solo raid comes out
im sure thats sustainable
you right
viscid sand
i know a lot of people who drop in the expansion to try it out then dip
buoyant wagon
whatever they do doesnt matter because at the end of the day
this game has nothing to do other than raid simulator
buoyant wagon
and it's the same fucking raid for 1/3 of the year
turbid oriole
in WoW i can do the latest content a few weeks after the raid comes out, in LFR....
r u related to asmonbald
buoyant wagon
and apart from the raiding
it's doing the same mindless dailies every single/every other day
there is no socialization, there is no community activity, there is no engaging horizontal content
sand marsh
if they release thaemine solo after multiple raids in tier 4, it will be obvious that it is too slow
buoyant wagon
all upgrade systems are rng casinos
sand marsh
trust me, people will start complaining once they realize this
viscid sand
it's doing the same mindless dailies every single/every other day
and we do it because we need to be at bleeding edge content, but for casuals who just want to play the game, it matters less
buoyant wagon
it's a terrible game for casuals
turbid oriole
cause it is inherently casual
wdf walk through stormwind as a horde
buoyant wagon
and we do it because we need to be at bleeding edge content, but for casuals who...
it's still a horribly 1 dimensional game at the end of the day
why wouldn't a casual just go play GW2 or something
viscid sand
it's still a horribly 1 dimensional game at the end of the day
always has been
modern grail
i swear 3 weeks ago baldboi hyping solo raids now he be saying its shit and its doa
sand marsh
i swear 3 weeks ago baldboi hyping solo raids now he be saying its shit and its ...
for brand new players, yes.
turbid oriole
i swear 3 weeks ago baldboi hyping solo raids now he be saying its shit and its ...
typical content creator
sand marsh
i've always said that long term it's not sustainable
buoyant wagon
big open world, lots to collect, barely have to spend for skins (if at all)
no gatekeeping
sand marsh
unless it is caught up to the latest content to some degree
viscid sand
why wouldn't a casual just go play GW2 or something
cause players just play whatever they want. they can play 5 mmos at the same time barely progressing in each, and it shouldnt matter anyway
buoyant wagon
accessible community ingame
people play whatever they want, but surprised pikachu this game doesnt attract casuals
because there is nothing for casuals to do
sand marsh
like whats the harm in releasing the newest raid in solo, months after it comes out. or at least the "last" raid.
instead of years behind
ripe swallow
unless it is caught up to the latest content to some degree
i mean its been just a few weeks since solo raids came out and they already said future raids will come soon
give it time?
you're talking as if solo raids have been out for 3 years or something
sand marsh
i mean its been just a few weeks since solo raids came out and they already said...
Brother, Aegir has been our in KR and they still dont have thaemine solo
I'm 100% positive the brel raid will come out in t4 and KR still wont have thaemine solo
buoyant wagon
LoA is simply a terrible game to play casually
viscid sand
ring up AGS and tell em how you envision thaemine solo to play out
sand marsh
ring up AGS and tell em how you envision thaemine solo to play out
wdym play out
uneven mortar
yeah
turbid oriole
LoA is simply a terrible game to play casually
bring back hell, dont tie it to ilvl, free battle items
sand marsh
it doesn't take a genuis to figure out how the mechanics would work in a solo setting
buoyant wagon
bring back hell, dont tie it to ilvl, free battle items
nobody would play it still
especially casuals
turbid oriole
nobody would play it still
youd get seasonal players whenever new raid drops
viscid sand
it doesn't take a genuis to figure out how the mechanics would work in a solo se...
they're sweatshop game devs breh
buoyant wagon
i think you severely overestimate how many of those players are out there
stark thicket
Scalp i made a gif for you, do you want it?
sand marsh
they said solo raids will be 3 raids behind, yet it is not.
buoyant wagon
also those players generate 0 income
noble relic
which has highest dps ceiling eso wardancer, predator slayer, or night edge souleater?
stark thicket
sand marsh
turbid oriole
ags should just turnover global to 10c
stark thicket
[concernedbirdges](https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1154884327587467274.gif?siz...
u want the gif i made for you
buoyant wagon
then you all would bitch about how the cash shop becomes mega p2w
buoyant wagon
and how we no longer get free skins
sand marsh
ags should just turnover global to 10c
people would hate this
buoyant wagon
and how all overly sexy skins get censored
sand marsh
what people want, are the good things from CN without the shitty monetization
uneven mortar
i wonder how hoyo was able to normalize people spending $300 to guarantee a char
turbid oriole
uneven mortar
yet mmo players riot when they gotta spend 5 dollars
stark thicket
viscid sand
i wonder how hoyo was able to normalize people spending $300 to guarantee a char
superior pngs
buoyant wagon
CN monetization is fine
stark thicket
ok u get the gif anyways because u didnt answer
uneven mortar
i still find it ridiculous
buoyant wagon
it doesnt impact the gameplay of a f2p
sand marsh
yet mmo players riot when they gotta spend 5 dollars
because MMO players are not gacha players
buoyant wagon
but western players will bitch about cash shops
stark thicket
sand marsh
and MMO players are boomers
stark thicket
wig confirmed
uneven mortar
cuz 500 - 1k a month on game is whatever, peopel spend more on clubbing most of the time
stark thicket
uneven mortar
those are the kinda guys you want in your game
sand marsh
also, people don't mind spending money. spending money isn't the problem
turbid oriole
cuz 500 - 1k a month on game is whatever, peopel spend more on clubbing most of ...
whats ur monthly massage budget
viscid sand
cuz 500 - 1k a month on game is whatever, peopel spend more on clubbing most of ...
simply because the pull of a gacha game is its gacha characters 
buoyant wagon
chinese people laugh at western gamers along the lines of "we don't want other people paying for the game, but we aren't willing to otherwise spend either"
uneven mortar
whats ur monthly massage budget
i have 3k per month for entertainment fund
buoyant wagon
yeah that sums up how cash shops are viewed here
buoyant wagon
even if the cash shop does not affect you at all as a f2p
turbid oriole
buoyant wagon
people get salty that others are swiping in the cash shop
sand marsh
well here's the thing
you can become ethical and sell skins only
and still make profit
but no, that's not enough
viscid sand
just need to play the market yop
buoyant wagon
that is definitely not paying employee salaries and future development
viscid sand
turbid oriole
if you sold skins only as a f2p AAA mmorpg
that porn thing that turned into a game is skins only isnt it
dva
sand marsh
if you sold skins only as a f2p AAA mmorpg
i dont see how lost ark is triple A
turbid oriole
overwatch
buoyant wagon
AAA means made by middle to large sized publisher
and SG qualifies as such
you are actually delusional if you think lost ark can run on skin income alone
sand marsh
i only say that because other games operated on that alone
fervent ibex
Especially when their skins are so god awful and generic
sand marsh
well yeah, that too
sand marsh
kekw
gleaming pendant
sand marsh
i dont think people mind p2w that much, it's just the degree of it that's the problem
WoW has been p2w for like a decade
buoyant wagon
so how many games of lost ark's size and complexity