lost-ark-discussions

[sand marsh]

i have lv 7 pants and lv 2 shoulder

[narrow pulsar]

Cuz I am A mokoko seed

[mortal sluice]

[buoyant wagon]

and you actually believe them?

they're going to rmt it off after a few weeks

or if the quantity is low enough

royal crystal

[sand marsh]

6.5% extra dmg

[supple parrot]

at 3 stacks, it wont be activated til dps also has lv7 pants

[sand marsh]

wdym

[tulip charm]

youd think at that point the account is already flagged, maybe make it go negative a few more times till people learn, who knows

[supple parrot]

did u even read

the effect

[narrow pulsar]

If they was smart , they’d chargeback if purchases was recent. If past x weeks , tough loss to them . What you get for not buying directly from smilegate & amazon

[buoyant wagon]

use a better gold source

[narrow pulsar]

Waiting for deathbois theamine video like -

[sand marsh]

sup also has transcedence dmg. which is successsor strength

[narrow pulsar]

https://tenor.com/view/stephen-colbert-popcorn-3d-glasses-watching-eating-gif-17602628

[sand marsh]

it does like 14mil dmg for me

[supple parrot]

anyways

where is ur g4 video

[sand marsh]

thats not gonna happen anytime soon

[supple parrot]

i need to watch g4 video

[sand marsh]

im still progging g4 lol. we continue tomor

[thorn sluice]

[tulip charm]

or just don't do it at all, imagine that

[sand marsh]

got to 280 which is the hardest part of g4

once our prokel players get better we will clear no prob

[narrow pulsar]

I won’t be doing Theamine any time soon . I can wait

[mortal sluice]

he doenst know

[sand marsh]

i do know

we get to 280 consistently but the 2 prokel players gotta kill quickly

[mortal sluice]

just one shot it

no biggie

[narrow pulsar]

Brels G4 ? That 1 is A real B on Nm. HM sounds like A real Biotch. 5 parties in n no clear yet 🙈

[sand marsh]

earthquake is the only pattern we gotta lock in, every other pattern is easy up to that point

[buoyant wagon]

[mortal sluice]

tbf the only annoying pattern in 280 is probably the out / in swing

when he doesnt do a counter

that gets so many ppl

[sand marsh]

wdym.

[narrow pulsar]

Ou naw this must be theamine ya’ll is talking about.

[sand marsh]

the only two patterns that are annoying are lauriel and earthquak

i cant think of any other pattern that is annoying

[mortal sluice]

hows earthquake annoying

[sand marsh]

its thaemine

[sand marsh]

because at least 3 people have to spacebar then counter

[mortal sluice]

i mean if you cant manage to spacebar that

then idk xd

just sacred charm

its not like you need 3 of them

[sand marsh]

we only spent like 2 hrs in g4 lol

[mortal sluice]

spacebar and dont move

[narrow pulsar]

Oooh ty for spelling correction. Thaemine

[mortal sluice]

pvp strats

[sand marsh]

u need splendid later on in the fight so we aren't really relying on that

[mortal sluice]

ur immunity lasts longer

you need 1 splendid

use it

you have 3

you will never run out of them

ever

[narrow pulsar]

Who’s in your party deathboi?

[sand marsh]

we are not going to burn charms on a pattern that you spacebar. everyones gotta learn it

or on prog lol

[mortal sluice]

you will want to latern on

if you get fucked at 55

you sacred charm

[sand marsh]

sure, we will when we get to that point

[mortal sluice]

just because you want it to be safe

and not sorry

[narrow pulsar]

What ilvl is you guys doing this demon at?

[sand marsh]

not gonna burn charms within 2 hrs of progging, u crazy

[mortal sluice]

how is it crazy

you dont need dmg

[indigo flax]

1610 nm 1630 hm

[mortal sluice]

ever

in that fight

its all about being safe

[sand marsh]

your not understanding what im saying.

[mortal sluice]

iam

[sand marsh]

no ur not lol

we have only progged for 2 hrs, that's hardly enough time. burning battle items like that is stupid

[thorn sluice]

[sand marsh]

when we get to 55 we will start using them

[mortal sluice]

but ur not burning battle items

you are not uspposed to use 8 charms xd

you use like 1-2 just to get through it

it barely ever happens anyway

[indigo flax]

so close to the first dlc of ffxiv

[sand marsh]

you realize that wipes will happen consistently..

so yeah it is burning

[mortal sluice]

yo dont have to tell me

[sand marsh]

apparently i do

[mortal sluice]

ive been at g4 for a while

[sand marsh]

[narrow pulsar]

I would take deathbois advice because his videos covers all the ps & qs to legion raids.

[fervent ibex]

I wonder if scalp is aware he's arguing with Richie Rich

[sand marsh]

idk who that is

[fervent ibex]

Asuun dont give a fuck about burning some charms bro

[tulip charm]

gratz, wtf

[mortal sluice]

i mean its not about burning

its just safe lol

if you care about 100g then idk

every 10th pull

cause thats how it is

[sand marsh]

10th pull?

earthquake happens almost every pull for us up to 280

[mortal sluice]

lol

[sand marsh]

idk what ur talking about

[mortal sluice]

what

do you chill in 280 for 5mins or

just take the advice

and dont move

after you spacebar

since your immunity lasts twice as long

[sand marsh]

i dont need the advice, i can spacebar it

its everyone else that has to learn it

[narrow pulsar]

You guys fight like brothers 😹

[sand marsh]

my point is im not gonna waste charm when u can jus spacebar it

once everyone knows the timing, we are chilling

[mortal sluice]

[ancient tundra]

Na that s more chuan and scalp than anything

[fervent ibex]

you guys should go band for band, show em your bank account Asuun

poor-check this fool

[sand marsh]

280 is so early on in the fight, but the most jailed part of the fight

so once we lock it in, we should be good to go with locking in everything else at that point

[robust birch]

Asuun I hear u have gold may I borrow 200k

Permanently

[narrow pulsar]

How rich is asuun? F2p or p2p? I can’t wait to read what chuan says

[mortal sluice]

f2p

frfr

[weak sedge]

I would also like free gold

[robust birch]

[narrow pulsar]

How big is your roster asuun?

[fervent ibex]

I literally don't know a single thing about Asuun other than what everyone else tells me: He buys gold through the actual game instead of Chuan's cousins, and he's been max iLevel for months now

[narrow pulsar]

30-40 chars?!

[mortal sluice]

nah

[narrow pulsar]

Lmao

[mortal sluice]

this is what i play

[fervent ibex]

1655

[weak sedge]

His cousins need to eat

[narrow pulsar]

OMG

[indigo flax]

LOL

[thorn sluice]

It’s not that big apart for the 1655

[narrow pulsar]

Strong weekly roster 😳

[robust birch]

Not even full hm roster broke bitch

[thorn sluice]

Chill your tits chat

[ancient tundra]

Lmao degen

[mortal sluice]

sorry

[robust birch]

Not even full echidna roster broke bitch

[indigo flax]

na ive seen way worse then that ngl

[fervent ibex]

tbh, I think a second 1620 right now is over the top

[thorn sluice]

What

[fervent ibex]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[mortal sluice]

anyway what i really wanted to say is

[weak sedge]

Under or over 60k spent on the game

[mortal sluice]

dont one shot prokel

the game bugs out

https://www.twitch.tv/sinkovsky/clip/PhilanthropicHealthyReubenLitFam-YRWAdg-JecONekkH

not a great idea

:)

[sand marsh]

u better get that eclipse title man. since u can overgear it

[mortal sluice]

i think you can do the math urself

[mortal sluice]

lmao what is that comment

[weak sedge]

I failed calculus

[sand marsh]

what comment

[mortal sluice]

what does overgearing have to do with eclipe xd

[fervent ibex]

Eclipse title isn't a gear-check lol I think Korea can attest to that

[mortal sluice]

if you can clear hm g4 you can clear tfm

[fervent ibex]

It's a hand-check

you got hands?

[sand marsh]

yea thats my point

if u spent all dat money, get that title at least

[mortal sluice]

lol

[thorn sluice]

[narrow pulsar]

But he’s A f2per legion commander professor 🧑‍🏫

[thorn sluice]

Idk people are so weird, he spent money yes and so? Why should he get that title at least

I mean he just having fun

Games are meant to having fun

[fervent ibex]

i'd be having fun too if I was a millionaire

[tulip charm]

its fking impossible to roll spec stat on bracelet wtf

[indigo flax]

if i was rich i wouldnt spend it on this game

[sand marsh]

swiping to do 1-3 which is extremely easy seems a bit boring. i imagine he's gonna get the title

[weak sedge]

Just hit

[mortal sluice]

what does my swiping have to do with any fucking title

like

huh?

[thorn sluice]

Exactly , I don’t know

[fervent ibex]

rich people have different priorities. you're thinking like one of the POORS

[mortal sluice]

ive been 1655 for like 8 month

[thorn sluice]

[mortal sluice]

you think i swiped for a shitty ass title

[sand marsh]

yeah i jus have a poor mindset. true. u right shinn

[mortal sluice]

when i literally never even use any

[tulip charm]

its not about spending

[sand marsh]

dam eclipse is shitty

[mortal sluice]

i mean its just another title idk

i dont use titles

i wouldnt even use phantom monarch if i grinded for it

has nothing to do with how hard it is to get

i just dont use them

[tulip charm]

it just cheapens the motivation i guess, not sure how to explain it

[mortal sluice]

[robust birch]

I gatekeep 1655s if they don't have dreamer title

[mortal sluice]

frfr

[thorn sluice]

[sand marsh]

most whales i know try to do the hardest content that is offered since overgearing farm content gets boring

[fervent ibex]

that dog in your profile pic eat Kobe beef for dinner every night or what

send some of that dog food my way

[mortal sluice]

huh why

[fervent ibex]

cuz i said so.

[mortal sluice]

fair

[fervent ibex]

i know that doggy eating good

[mortal sluice]

she ded tho

[fervent ibex]

ayo.

[swift tree]

Bet you feel like an asshole now.

[thorn sluice]

[mortal sluice]

bozo

[robust birch]

Ban shinn

Shinn more like shitt

[static imp]

[fervent ibex]

kinda but its dimmed by the fact that he's rich and probably has jeff bezos on speed dial

[mortal sluice]

the classic

[indigo flax]

[thorn sluice]

Tf is wrong with this shin he doesn’t even realize it’s getting ridiculous

[mortal sluice]

@sand marsh https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2129298923?t=03h43m24s

[wind dagger]

[mortal sluice]

this is the pattern btw

that i meant

[fervent ibex]

stay pissed snark

[mortal sluice]

its not hard to dodge

but if its catches you offguard ur dead

[narrow pulsar]

Idk if you swiped but if you did my guess is you don’t have a lot of free time & want to enjoy the newest content & not get gate kept by the f2p no-lifers . I can relate because I’m as casual as it gets .

[stark thicket]

wheres the sound at

[sand marsh]

yeah i can see that knocking ppl off, but personally our group only died to earthquake if on outside. inside people have yet to finish prokel

[indigo flax]

na dude i have whales on my friends list that play almost 10 hours a day

LOL

[sand marsh]

thats why we havent gone past 280

[mortal sluice]

yea

[indigo flax]

people just degen over this game

[mortal sluice]

iam closing in on 10k hrs

lol

[indigo flax]

i got major burn out after 3k

[narrow pulsar]

How many years ?

[stark thicket]

[indigo flax]

2 years i think?

[stark thicket]

i quit a year and a half at 2.1k hr

[indigo flax]

since it came out

[sand marsh]

in my anecdotal experience. this is a common misconception.

[indigo flax]

im on to ffxiv now tho

[sand marsh]

almost every whale i know has a disgusting amount of hours played

[mortal sluice]

iam probably not ur avg whale tho anyway

[indigo flax]

super chill compared to lost ark

[mortal sluice]

i play cause LA is fun and i have way too much free time too

[narrow pulsar]

The cards aint adding up. Tell em to throw the hand away and draw 5 New cards

[sand marsh]

i have 9.5k but i know ppl with more

[swift tree]

a good 1k is just sitting around afk tho

[fervent ibex]

wtf o_o

[narrow pulsar]

I don’t understand if you have time to no-life the game & whale out. Unless you’re A PVP Fanatic n game is p2w..

[indigo flax]

getting ready to uninstall it tho

waiting to see how i feel in like 5 days

[mortal sluice]

wdym

[fervent ibex]

some people can just be degen gamers and have a lot of money

they're not exclusive from eachother lol

[sand marsh]

yep

[mortal sluice]

i guess you are on that mindset of always needing a goal

to play

idc about that

i also dont care about doing gold earning raids

each week

[indigo flax]

i know people that sit on the game all day and still cant do hm

[mortal sluice]

i just do what is fun

if voldis isnt fun

i wont do it

[swift tree]

Either unemployed or wfh no need to worry bout money.
there is no im between for no-lifers

[mortal sluice]

unless i have to for progression

[buoyant wagon]

you have people who just play a game to whale out

quit

then move on to another game

[narrow pulsar]

Yeah I am. I get bored if there’s nothing to accomplish. To each their own is the way the gaming life rolls

[mortal sluice]

yup

[swift tree]

They left by the time Elden Ring released tho.

[swift tree]

10k hours of World Tree Leaves and Spires won't teach you to do HM raids.

Still 10k hours tho

[fervent ibex]

tbh im curious what you actually do in game though Asuun, like this game is all about perpetuating "the chase", the grind, the money milker

so what happens when ur done it all

[sand marsh]

i jus play cuz there's no other good mmo out there.

[buoyant wagon]

play another game

[indigo flax]

ffxiv

[sand marsh]

and dats all i play

[indigo flax]

wow

lol

[fervent ibex]

but he said he has 10k hours

so he doesnt play other games

[buoyant wagon]

shoot the shit with friends

[indigo flax]

tons of mmos better then lost ark

[narrow pulsar]

But I’ll always be gatekept by the Hardcore gamers. The elite I don’t even scale on their level . I’m A mokoko at A different spectrum 😹

[indigo flax]

combat system wise maybe not as good

[sand marsh]

ffxiv is trash. WoW i have 15+ years in.

[ivory perch]

Guys what does mean piloting in lost ark?

[mortal sluice]

i just do what everyone does

[buoyant wagon]

ff14 is a far better game than lost ark ever will be apart from the combat

[mortal sluice]

i do raids

[fervent ibex]

so you still do the daily grind, etc?

[mortal sluice]

yea

[swift tree]

User Interface of FFXIV makes you want to gouge your eyes out

[sand marsh]

if the combat isnt good, game is trash. also the community of ff is extremely weird

[ivory perch]

I see on theamine ppl say some of them was piloting? What dies mean?

[buoyant wagon]

okay yeah

the UI is fucking awful

[fervent ibex]

the CEO working on the line shift, I respect it asuun

[sand marsh]

and yeah UI is giga bad

[mortal sluice]

i just dont do them for gold

like

[narrow pulsar]

U going to give horizon zero dawn mmo. a try ?

[mortal sluice]

its nice to get the gold

but it wont make a dent

[indigo flax]

community might be weird but i rather that then a toxic ass community like lost ark

[mortal sluice]

in anything i do

[indigo flax]

and the story is amazing

[fervent ibex]

but its super customizable? like you can remove it all if you wanna play with no UI at all

[swift tree]

Here's the important Q @mortal sluice , you single?

[buoyant wagon]

community is fine for the most part

[indigo flax]

combat isnt terrible here either

[mortal sluice]

no

[fervent ibex]

unless ur talking about the graphics of the UI

[buoyant wagon]

it's one of the better communities in mmos

[mortal sluice]

gf for 5ys

[narrow pulsar]

Asuun , do you also play BDO?

[indigo flax]

ive been playing for a week or 2, and ive had more fun on ffxiv then i ever have on lost ark

ngl

[swift tree]

nice nice, mostly joking

[mortal sluice]

and no she doesnt play any videos games

[sand marsh]

each to their own. i never liked how ff14 was so strict in terms of player to player interaction.

[buoyant wagon]

game actually respects your time

[sand marsh]

i dont mind a toxic enviorment. i grew up playing MW2 & WoW

[fervent ibex]

FFXIV is actually godlike in everything except combat and graphics imo

peak MMO

[indigo flax]

i grew up playing mw2 too

[mortal sluice]

i have played it in the past, but not properly for a longer time

[indigo flax]

thats nothing

[fervent ibex]

but its combat is so braindead boring

[mortal sluice]

i did raid in wow for 5 years in the top 10

before LA

[indigo flax]

lost ark is a shit community

the game is good

[sand marsh]

at least u can speak ur mind to someone

[fervent ibex]

debateable.

[sand marsh]

whereas in ff14 u will prolly get banned

i dont like that personally

[swift tree]

This tbh, the game relies on players being more inclined to help other players.
Even with the weekly lockout system

[indigo flax]

i mean if you are getting banned over what you're saying

then you shouldnt be talking to people

you are the problem

[sand marsh]

nah ive heard ppl in ff14 getting banned over banter back and forth

seems a bit sjw

shrug

[mortal sluice]

the difference is

[swift tree]

Calm down there Asmongold.

[mortal sluice]

the report button in ff14 actually does something

compared to LA

[narrow pulsar]

What was your main reasons for discontinuing BDO? I hear it’s highly favorable with P2W players.

[fervent ibex]

ur upset their GMs do something

[mortal sluice]

never really got into it since ive only played it solo

[fervent ibex]

meanwhile we have 10m gold on sale in the auction house

[narrow pulsar]

Oh ok

[sand marsh]

yeah jus ban bots and cheaters

[indigo flax]

mean while my new friend on lost ark gets flamed out the ass cause they dont know how to play the character they just made

[sand marsh]

everything else is free game

[wind dagger]

[fervent ibex]

idk what "sjw" bans you've seen on FFXIV, but short of saying a slur, its hard to get banned

just via chat

[wind dagger]

Can't really practice your character with full gear in Trixion

[faint grove]

?

why not

[wind dagger]

Newly made char

[swift tree]

Doesn't help there's 0 mechanisms to learn the game apart from buses that they get zero expeirence from or learning lobbies filled with others not putting in effort.

[sand marsh]

idk what slurs you are referring too

[mortal sluice]

what are you missing

[indigo flax]

its not even that, alot of the pugs ive played with have lost touch with the "fun" aspect

[mortal sluice]

dmg numbers dont matter

in trix

[sand marsh]

i havent necessarily seen it, just heard about a few

[mortal sluice]

all you need to do is learn ur rotation

you dont need damage numbers for that

[fervent ibex]

whoever you heard about definitely said something out of pocket and downplayed it. ive said some pretty fucked shit on FFXIV and still have a clean record LOL

[faint grove]

bruh did a thaemine the other day and within 5 mins this scrapper was bitching about people not countering and shit like that xd

[indigo flax]

i had a 1620 in a clown one time complainign about the dps when the 2 other dps were on 1560's

[swift tree]

Gold Earning and Smilegate's obsession over game inflation has made it more about weekly earnings than actually playing the game.

[buoyant wagon]

unless you are flaming other players

you arent going to get chat banned

[fervent ibex]

there's a whole server dedicated to degens who take raids way too seriously on FFXIV, and they say some of the dumbest shit imaginable

Gilgamesh players xd

[sand marsh]

yeah it was in regards to flaming someone

[buoyant wagon]

and you can't deny that the environment is far more friendly to the average player than most other mmos

[sand marsh]

cant recall what they said verbatim but it wasn't anything discriminatory

[buoyant wagon]

i mean, i like to flame people too

[indigo flax]

I would point n laugh at them

[buoyant wagon]

but i dont blame a game for not allowing it

[wind dagger]

At least you're not Setsura

[sand marsh]

yeah i dont blame the game, i jus wont play that kind of game

esp with the combat it has

[faint grove]

i dont flame people unless they're bitching constantly in chat, flaming just creates negative vibes

[fervent ibex]

FFXIV would be peak gaming if it just had better combat and graphics zz

[indigo flax]

ffxiv combat isnt terrible O_O

[fervent ibex]

its legit one of the most immerseive MMOs ive played

[indigo flax]

same as wow

[mortal sluice]

its pretty terrible

[fervent ibex]

just the global cooldowns and "puzzle" raids are so boring

[buoyant wagon]

combat is the only reason im not playing it atm

[mortal sluice]

but so is wow

[fervent ibex]

^

[faint grove]

tab target is boring af

[sand marsh]

its the worse tab target mmo combat system i've ever seen

[narrow pulsar]

I been planning to try BdO out. I was gifted the game. My preference for games is mainly Arpg loot Survival Genre but I also do like some Mmmo games. GW2 was my previous MMO N RuneScape b4 GW2.

[sand marsh]

outside of RIFT i think

[swift tree]

LOTRO's was pretty terrible

[buoyant wagon]

raid design is fine

[indigo flax]

i have fun so

[buoyant wagon]

most of lost ark is also fairly scripted

[sand marsh]

oh shit i forgot about that one

[indigo flax]

thats all that matters right

[mortal sluice]

if you like grinding and dont mind doing 99% of content solo you will probably enjoy it

[buoyant wagon]

apart from normal patterns which are irrelevant outside of thaemine

[faint grove]

but it being action combat instead of tab target changes everything

[narrow pulsar]

I enjoyed Rift beta. Poor game was dissected by the new ownership 😭

[sand marsh]

yeah having fun is ultimately the deciding factor. but in terms of tab targeting, WoW is better if you ask me. i jus dont play WoW because it hasn't been transformative in the last 15 years.

i stopped playing after shadowlands

[fervent ibex]

man whenever i think about MMOs I always wanna cry about TERA. so much wasted potential

😭

[swift tree]

no ordering to the tab list, just cycles whatever target order the engine pulls. So everyone cycling targets gets shuffled as soon as the first monster is killed.
Required constant DPS target assist during raids.

[indigo flax]

tera could of been really good

i agree

[sand marsh]

I thought Aion was pretty good for it's time

when it released to the west.

played that for quite a while then went back to WoW

[indigo flax]

old maplestory was fun too

[fervent ibex]

didnt they just re-release Aion in the west like last year?

[indigo flax]

now its way to grindy

[sand marsh]

nah i think thats just expansions they have released

[swift tree]

ESO would have been better if it wasn't so watered down to match console version

[sand marsh]

game died out when it became more monetized from my recollection

[mortal sluice]

all good soon we will get T&L which will be a complete disaster

[sand marsh]

its a NCsoft game afterall what do u expect

[mortal sluice]

and then we get BnS neo classic

which will last like 1 week

[indigo flax]

[mortal sluice]

and then we are back to LA

:)

[narrow pulsar]

I gave Aion online A try too. I hated the wing timer & cooldown on most skills.Really killed my flying excitement… i had to bot after char 1. The grind & storyline was pure torture.

[sand marsh]

ngl, throne and liberty doesn't seem all that fun to me.

i can see why ppl like it tho

[indigo flax]

Im either going to quit lost ark or take a pretty big break

[mortal sluice]

ive played it a bit so far

its not terrible

[fervent ibex]

I hear T&L runs amazing, but all the in game systems are kinda crap

beautiful game apparently

[swift tree]

Whenever we get KR Summer changes, would at least make the first half of Tier 3 much better

[fervent ibex]

looks stunning

[mortal sluice]

but its not something i would play 8hrs a day

[narrow pulsar]

Last epoch looks 🤤

[swift tree]

depends on gold earing from solo raids

[sand marsh]

yeah i need a game i can play 10-12 hrs a day for multiple years.

[indigo flax]

yea

[sand marsh]

LA is the only game like that for me

[fervent ibex]

Ashes of Creation 2030

[sand marsh]

what the

[indigo flax]

i get gatekept off cards where im at so im losing interest

[sand marsh]

ashes of shit u mean

[indigo flax]

cant help my shitty rng

[mortal sluice]

right before League MMO in 2040

[swift tree]

Right before Star Citizen 2032

[sand marsh]

league MMO better be lost ark 4.0

[mortal sluice]

i doubt it

[sand marsh]

with UE5

[fervent ibex]

good god no

[indigo flax]

im sure it'll be good tho

[narrow pulsar]

I forgot about AOC . It’s been in the making for so long… Project TL was looking so promising 2.

[indigo flax]

riot has a thing for good games

[mortal sluice]

oh yea prolly

[faint grove]

league mmo is gonna bea pile of shit i bet

[sand marsh]

i need LA combat man. every other combat system looks trash

[buoyant wagon]

ashes of

probably going to be shit by the time it releases

[fervent ibex]

I think Riot's MMO will be more story driven, something like FFXIV

[buoyant wagon]

easy to dream of a project

[fervent ibex]

they love story telling

[indigo flax]

their lore is good tho

[buoyant wagon]

a lot harder to get it off the ground with that level of resources

[faint grove]

was thinking the same, they will focus too much on story and lore and the gameplay and progression system will end up being unfun and dogshit

[indigo flax]

first game i'd actually not shift g on

[sand marsh]

give me LA combat, LA raids, but with casual content on the side. without 3 bozos

[indigo flax]

[narrow pulsar]

I’m most excited for the horizon zero dawn MMO.

[sand marsh]

then i'll be truly happy

[swift tree]

If they don't hire developers familiar with long-term progression than most likely will end up like that.

[fervent ibex]

Nah I don't think it'll be "unfun" entirely. I think it'll be for a specfic demo, probably the FFXIV/WoW enthusiasts. Riot's good at taking other people's ideas and making a decent result of otheir own with it

[narrow pulsar]

Did you try the VR mmo ? I never got to it. I heard there is 1

[fervent ibex]

Riot doesnt really have any bad games

even their unpopular card game was okay

[sand marsh]

that's not good.

WoW enthusiasts don't know what they want

and are usually dentge

[swift tree]

I mean they basically copied Blizzard's early business model.

[sand marsh]

i know this because i spent half my life playing that game

hardcore WoW players are the worse

[fervent ibex]

I think WoW players just want Bobby Kotick to get shot and die, no? I feel like they know exactly what they want

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[faint grove]

they want to keep coping that they didn't waste half their life on that shitty game

[sand marsh]

WoW players, think WoW is perfectly fine. and don't advocate for the game to evolve.

which is why it's been shit, partly why. for the last few expansions

[swift tree]

there's like a dozen or so billionaires that if they had a stroke right this moment would radically change all Western Media.

[narrow pulsar]

I respect WOW but game wasn’t meant for me. The sub was enough to 2nd guess the game. The storyline & leveling progression was so boring for me &my brother. I loved the warcraft movie very much so though 💯

[fervent ibex]

I think they're more upset in the manner in which WoW is evolving though? I'm not a WoW player myself, but I mostly just hear about how this specific change coulda been done better or this specific change is just made to milk the playerbase, etc

[indigo flax]

I bought a WoW sub for like 3 months or w/e

got bored once my friends quit

[fervent ibex]

You can evolve a game without fucking your playerbase in the process, I know it's a strange thought, us playing a Korean wallet milker, but it happens sometimes

[swift tree]

I mean, Lost Ark has already done it... is in the process of doing it again.
ESO did it with Tamriel Unlimited

[narrow pulsar]

I bought 3x xpacks for 2 much money for me n my bro. I bought us 1 year membership. We lasted 3 months n never touched again 😹

[sand marsh]

jus take good look at the forums every now & then. it's full of brain rot. The actual enthiuasists of the game don't believe the game should change in any meaningful way that helps casual players. they are all a bunch of mythic+ nerds who get off at their own raider.io score & parses

[fervent ibex]

every game has those

[narrow pulsar]

Deathboi , what’s your thoughts on guild wars 2? Did you ever try? The storyline is soo damn long… i can’t complete the game. Takes too much of my time //

[fervent ibex]

lost ark has a whole category of memes for the "korean inferiority complex" based on that entire ideology

[sand marsh]

this is true, but it's a bit worse in WoWs case considering the game has had such a long life-span

[swift tree]

That sounds more like you don't like playing a game long-term.
The type of players that constantly hop between the newest release

[indigo flax]

not wrong at all I remember seeing some people bitch about the powerpass's and express passes not helping their rosters or w/e on the lost ark reddit

[sand marsh]

you'd think the devs would of transformed the game in a positive manner by now. it's been like 10+ years

[fervent ibex]

"i got mine, so fuck you" -half of Korea

[indigo flax]

sure theres people like that on ffxiv too

[narrow pulsar]

My bro didn’t stay in so I said f it n then swim team ripped my wow free time lol

[swift tree]

Powerpasses only work on 1 character, they're basically a catch-up bandaid.

The powerpass events have been band-aids whilst smilegate worked on a long-term solution which seems to basically just be their Tier 1-2 crunch they did last year followed up with Soloable KLC

[sand marsh]

a good example of what i am talking about: addons. they are a infestation on the game. yet the enthuisasits don't think so.

[faint grove]

https://tenor.com/view/honest-word-its-honest-work-it-aint-much-it-aint-much-but-its-honest-work-gif-13763573

[fervent ibex]

I played GW2 for a bit, it's probably the most social MMO I've played on tbh

[narrow pulsar]

I don’t hop between newest releases. I try a game for 2 weeks - 1 moth max & then I stop if it’s whack or I’m not enjoying myself . Reason why I left LA after launch lol i’m enjoying Lost Ark since return but at launch playing A paladin I h8 my time in the game.

[sand marsh]

when a dev has to design a raid with an addon in mind, that tells you when to move out and what to do for every single mechanic - raids just get more & more annoying.

[zealous lintel]

FF has teribble combat cause of the delay noone beats WoWs responsivness

[fervent ibex]

didnt do much raiding on it though, i never got around to it

it has so much story

[faint grove]

that was actually the most offputting thing for me when it comes to wow, literally 80% of screen covered in addons telling them what to do in every raid xddd

[swift tree]

[sand marsh]

UI addons, dps meter. thinks like that should stay. but combat addons need to go.

especially DBM (deadly boss mods)

[indigo flax]

what delay

im playing rn and feel nothing

[mortal sluice]

he prolly means the gcd

by delay

[sand marsh]

DBM gives you sound ques and literally tells you to move out the moment the boss is triggering a lethal attack or when a gimmick occurs.

[indigo flax]

oh that?

[sand marsh]

yea FF14 gcd is god awful

[mortal sluice]

cause it does feel different from wow

[sand marsh]

it doesn't feel as snappy as WoW

[mortal sluice]

it feels much worse

[sand marsh]

gcd = global cooldown

of abilities.

[zealous lintel]

then you dont get it sry

[indigo flax]

na you just said it weirdly

[zealous lintel]

if you cant tell the difference between WoWs gameplay performance and ff

[sand marsh]

in ff14, you can't always use one ability, then immediately use another because of some sort of gcd or animation lock

thus it feels less snappy

[narrow pulsar]

@sand marsh , what’s your thoughts on guild wars 2?

[zealous lintel]

well its a delay

[sand marsh]

never played it

[indigo flax]

wows also been out x2 as long as ffxiv tho

so

[zealous lintel]

doesnt matter if i say gcd

and spell batching

[indigo flax]

not saying that does much

but

[sand marsh]

that makes it worse. i never understood why a game like ff14 has that sort of delay.

without it the combat would already be twice as good

[swift tree]

AdvancedUI and Combat Metrics in ESO nail your opinion when it comes to that.
It's frustrating that you need the AUI plugin in order for the game to more closely resemble Lost Ark's interface vs Skyrim, but get why they went that way.

The "move now" stuff for veteran content seems optional for the most part as has to do with how toxic your team is.

[narrow pulsar]

I will say this , WOWs open world load time & the mount system was amazing for its time. Other mounts were so 2d & whack in every other game.. GW2 game engine & mounts is ok but not at Wows levels.

[indigo flax]

Idk

the gcd doesnt really bother me

[zealous lintel]

like deathboi mentioned at the beginning, wow needs an overhaul

[indigo flax]

i guess im just not nit picky

[zealous lintel]

like WoW 2

put wow to sleep

and bring something new

too many systems

too many abilties

[sand marsh]

yeah having to design raids and dungeons around a community-made add-on makes raids more & more annoying. and it does more harm than good. they could remove it tomorrow if they wanted too

[zealous lintel]

too many too many

[sand marsh]

if there was a WoW 2 I would be no lifing it right now.

[fervent ibex]

also, on a side note, whats with the hate on Ashes of Creation?

[sand marsh]

10 million different achievements, transmogs, mounts, zones, abilities, etc.

[swift tree]

Luckily they don't really seem like they have to since most attacks work like Lost Ark with the big red telegraphs

[sand marsh]

it's way too much clutter

[zealous lintel]

pvp is the best case example. people cant keep up with pvp in wow cause you have 50 buttons and abilties to press

[narrow pulsar]

What are the new WOW raids like? Are they anything like Lost Arks?

[zealous lintel]

you would need to read up a whole book about pvp

[sand marsh]

and even then you wouldn't understand it

[zealous lintel]

and why are there things like polymorph and hex?

[sand marsh]

because u need a few addons first

xdd

[zealous lintel]

its basecally the same

[narrow pulsar]

Way too many buttons clicking… 50 wth

[zealous lintel]

but whatever. WoW needs a revamp

[sand marsh]

I always loved WoW pvp. out of every MMO, it's the best PvP experience. but it could be better with much less clutter.

[narrow pulsar]

I personally think runescape 2 pvp was better. To each their own though.

[zealous lintel]

thats why classic got the player numbers back. simpler, easier, more straight forward

take this and make soemthing new

[swift tree]

Runescape PvP depending on who clicked first or who could ambush someone better tbh

[sand marsh]

yeah but classic, is ultimately classic. once u get to nax, you finished the game.

[indigo flax]

i think the only pvp's ive played are lost arks and teras

[sand marsh]

they need to evolve classic if you ask me

[zealous lintel]

ye, they need to expand on that

[fervent ibex]

wait isnt RS2 just OSRS now? "RS2" is what they called it before the Evolution of Combat update that made it RS3 right?

[sand marsh]

season of discovery is nice, but ultimately only transformative in terms of your class, the raids aren't all that different.

we need completely new raids

[swift tree]

RS2 doesn't exist in any form.

[zealous lintel]

they are betatesting right now with the new rune system

[fervent ibex]

[narrow pulsar]

Not exactly , you had to use your prayer abilities, watch your hp with food & use potions , switch gears , use specials after around year 2000 or so etc

[sand marsh]

Did you hear about the WoW Remix mist of pandaria?

that seems really cool

i cant wait to play that.

[swift tree]

OSRS is RS2 but stripped way back so a bunch of updates and changes evolved differently

[sand marsh]

it looks like they are trying to add ARPG affixes into WoW with the new remix version.

sounds interesting

[swift tree]

eg. OSRS Doesn't have the Mahjarrat stuff yet

[zealous lintel]

ff is for a special kind of player. never got into that

[narrow pulsar]

Yeah , Rs 2 1 was og graphics , rs 2 was newer graphics but then hd graphics came later & then eoc came & then eoc became the new rs which I hated n felt too much like WOW to me.

[swift tree]

ESO/FF target the same niche tbh.
Crafting and Story focused game that is mostly singleplayer experience but with raids added to it.

[zealous lintel]

liked aion as well. Grindy as hell at the beginning

[sand marsh]

@zealous lintel these kind of gems & stuff seem pretty cool. kinda transforms your class in a certain way

[swift tree]

EoC also added a payshop, RNG gamba & mileage shop that did not retroactively add points

[zealous lintel]

y, this sound kinda fun.

[sand marsh]

this one is pretty cool. all classes can essentially get a movement ability

[narrow pulsar]

Rs EOC is a costume party now . I can’t tell who’s what last I logged in 😹 before it was bronze , steel , mithirl , adamant , rune , dragon , 3 barrows sets , god wars sets , several wizard sets & several range sets n then expanded beyond my capacity.

[sand marsh]

it's the monk roll. pretty sure

[narrow pulsar]

I’d had been able to buy A house if my original runescape 2 account wasn’t hacked. All holiday stacks I earned from dueling ripped from me back in 2015 😭

Back then the value was over 300k usd . Fuack whoever keylogged me

[indigo flax]

[steel minnow]

Yo guys

They changed trandescendance

U dont need g4 clear to max it out

[fervent ibex]

we been knew that ..

[narrow pulsar]

Is transcendence and elixirs the same system or they’re different?

[fervent ibex]

well its a Toronto slang thing, but no need to lash out

[narrow pulsar]

Ken , be nice . Name calling is unprofessional sir

[fervent ibex]

bros just upset he posted 2 week old patch notes

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[fervent ibex]

they're different

[narrow pulsar]

Lol

[swift tree]

March 27th was 2 weeks ago?

[fervent ibex]

I was referring to our Thaemine patch drop, it initially stated that it still required G4 for unlock max, but they fixed it say G3 now

[sand marsh]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/974922294822588507/984990829640810526/unknown.png?ex=662c5332&is=662b01b2&hm=ccaa6192352ffb169b0d4a0758eefb58ad2d93f2bb50e5d45404a46b48746699&

the good ol days

[swift tree]

sounds like someone copy/pasted the old KR September patch without changing that first :3

[dawn flower]

I finally did it...40 set, it just cost me total of 600k gold. Even without the effing calculator that non stop fails me. I feel so empty man phew

[narrow pulsar]

This must be old - low ilvls haha

[fervent ibex]

yeah Roxx said as much on the reddit lol

[cedar zealot]

hmm

degen hour gamers on nae seem fine

[sand marsh]

05/10/2022

[zealous lintel]

i want as well. i hope this week...

need one more point

sicne 4 weeks

[dawn flower]

the amount of times i was blue balled just because of one point for 5/3 is too damn high. Shit feels so rigged in the last 6 turns it doesnt make sense

[sand marsh]

here is something that will make u feel a bit better

[dawn flower]

i even had to give up a 5/5 last week with 2 turns left and both turns i had to seal my 5....

[fervent ibex]

"your dad just died? you know what will make you feel better? my dads still alive"

thanks scalp

[sand marsh]

what the

i didnt say that

[fervent ibex]

bros crying about not hitting a 5/3 and u shoved a 5/5 in his face LMAO

wdym

[neon cedar]

[dawn flower]

phew

[neon cedar]

Who tf compares elixers to close family deaths

[fervent ibex]

people without fathers

and dont consider them close

[wind dagger]

y'all need to touch grass fr

[fervent ibex]

mb i shoulda said pet dog or something, i forget people usually have dads

[neon cedar]

[fervent ibex]

thats on me braden

[wind dagger]

[neon cedar]

Youre a weirdo mate

[fervent ibex]

LOL mb bruh

[stiff egret]

[sand marsh]

it is a means of motivation.

[fervent ibex]

There ain't no motivating RNG

[neon cedar]

Edgy 12yo humor

[sand marsh]

yes there is

[fervent ibex]

"just win the lottery"

[swift tree]

You say that but Siderials drive players to do G4 Brel every chance they get

[neon cedar]

They also think its the same as a close family/pet dieing so I dont think they get it

[fervent ibex]

wait but Brel G4 is actually fun 😭

[dawn flower]

i was also in a similar position but not with 2 same time. i had a 5 already with 2 turns left. Had 1 random lvl if it hit it was a 5/4 minimum, it went wrong. Then had a 50% great success for last turn to get atleast a 5/4....it didnt proc. I ended up with 5/2 instead a 5/5

[fervent ibex]

Braden man get over it LOL you're so sensative for what

[swift tree]

https://tenor.com/view/abrelshud-lost-ark-gif-25243977

[neon cedar]

wtf

[wind dagger]

I can hear the music

[fervent ibex]

the prog PTSD

its coming back to me

[swift tree]

Brel and Thaemine both being two parts of the same raid story lol

[fervent ibex]

i like that thematically Thaemine should be the hardest raid possible, so why'd they go and make Brel like also near impossible on release?

[sand marsh]

here is another one @dawn flower

[swift tree]

They cancelled 2-3 ongoing development projects to work on Brelshaza NM and HM.
They added Siderial Weapons and a few other systems to trying to bank on the raid reviving the game.

It worked.

Brelshaza was the hardest raid for over a year.

[fervent ibex]

wait i thought the game was at it's peak during brel raids? it was dying then?

like before brel came out even

[swift tree]

there was a gap in release between Clown and Brelshaza.

[sand marsh]

idk man, 1-3 thaemine is pretty easy. on both difficulties. maybe when they said 'hardest raid' they meant exclusively g4

[swift tree]

that was when they tried doing a bunch of PvP content, redoing GvG and adding Rowen + Tulubik

[fervent ibex]

yo speaking of, it's kinda insane to call G4 one gate, no? that shit is just 3 separate gates

i wonder if they'll split it up in the future, like a year from now

[wind dagger]

I haven't even done G1 Thaemine

[swift tree]

They had no battle workshop on release, and didn't revive.

[sand marsh]

thats partly what makes it so hard, if u mess up in g4-2 u gotta start all over i think

[fervent ibex]

yeah i remember 😭

[swift tree]

When people say it's free... like it actually is.
The attacks don't hurt unless you stand on very specific ones without support DR

It is less mechanically complex than G1 of Voldis

just more patterns

[sand marsh]

there was maxroll survey where people said g3 thaemine was hard/very hard. and i just dont understand why people think that

[swift tree]

Not everyone had streamer buddies and had to deal with public groups that quit after an hour.
Also, some players genuinely don't enjoy having to learn patterns themselves.

[sand marsh]

idk if ur referring to me, but i dont have streamer buddies

[swift tree]

Note: I am NOT saying I agree with them, but Thaemine is their antithesis.

[swift tree]

I'm not.

[neon cedar]

G3 is hard. Of couse itll be easier after 20 hours of prog

[sand marsh]

i dealt with public groups, over 30-40 of em

[fervent ibex]

I think they mean relatively. I think it's the perfect difficulty for a HM raid, its not forever jailing and it's pretty simple once you learn his normal patterns. But for a NM raid, it's kinda wild. I'd call it a "Medium Mode" difficulty, cuz its definitely not on par with other NM raids

[swift tree]

G3 is difficult.

[sand marsh]

i'd put g3 thaemine on the same difficulty as old hm brel g6 on ilvl

imo

[neon cedar]

People spend more time progging just G3 thaemine than they do entire raids in the past

Thats not for no reason

[swift tree]

I doubt anyone here has ever heard of it, but it's like comparing early LOTRO raids to the Isengard one the game got.

[fervent ibex]

wait... you didnt even clear Brel G6 on HM for the longest time

you complained that it was too hard

for a long time

[sand marsh]

yeah and i was an idiot for thinking that

i gave up after just an hour or two of trying it

which is what these people r doing now

[swift tree]

And the Isengard one was crazy when it came out.

[fervent ibex]

G3 Thaemine's pretty fun now, it does remind me of Brel G6, just being a hands/skill check, a normal pattern buffet

[swift tree]

5 boss phases, each with its own mechanic and each phase you have to complete a simon says minigame to progress to the next one, fail and the current phase repeats.

[fervent ibex]

the major mechs themselves are nothing insane, its mostly just getting dicked down by his normal patterns on repeat

[sand marsh]

this is true, but what do people expect from the 'final boss'?

u put in time, u get rewarded

[narrow pulsar]

My parties leader said why yesterday. He said it’s because people are doing the legion raid at required ilvl. If everybody was higher ilvl from requirement, it’d be ez once the mechanics are understood.

[swift tree]

SGRPG putting story in G4 Thaemine*

[neon cedar]

Well yea, Im not talking about peoples expectations tho. Im talking about rn when you said g3 wasnt hard

[sand marsh]

after u put in that time, it becomes muscle memory

from an outside perspective, it may look hard. thats how all raids can be perceived from the start.

[neon cedar]

Exactly, after yo put in the time

[sand marsh]

in that case every raid is hard, until you put in time xdd

[neon cedar]

There is no doubt, without question, when it comes to lost arks raids, whats we've had, and what is to come, that Thaemine G3 is a very difficult experience. A big challenge we will all trivialize with time

[narrow pulsar]

Until you watch deathbois legion raid guides videos 🤟

[fervent ibex]

Coming back to this, you think they'll ever split G4 up into several gates? Originally Korea was calling G5/6 like "Bingo phases", but Bingo phases like Clown, Brel x7, and even Akkan G4 have like gimmicks where you do insane damage by breaking something or whatever. G5/6 Thaemine are literally just brand new gates bro 😭 no gimmicks, you just do another fucking boss fight

[sand marsh]

maybe people have a barometer of 'amount of time progging = how difficult a raid is'. which i dont really agree with.

[neon cedar]

And I guess I believe that improving your skill put YOU above the challnge. And doesnt dimish the challenge

[fallen parcel]

chat

i need advice

[fervent ibex]

deleted account

[neon cedar]

Go sleep, dont need gf

[fallen parcel]

if my suit colour is blue

[sand marsh]

no

[fallen parcel]

and my dress shirt is blue

[fervent ibex]

no bro

[fallen parcel]

and my shoes is brown

should my tie be blue

[sand marsh]

why are u wearing a suit

get on lost ark

[fallen parcel]

weddin

[fervent ibex]

tie and suit blue

dress shirt something else

u like pink?

[sand marsh]

your getting married?

dam u def cant play lost ark at that point

[wind dagger]

[supple parrot]

?

[sand marsh]

??

[supple parrot]

???

[sand marsh]

doesnt ur wife yell at u if you type too loud on ur keyboard at 3am

[supple parrot]

I don’t need to type while playing

[sand marsh]

ya but she would yell at u

u told me

[low nebula]

buy silent mushy keyboard

or ditch the wife

one of the two

[supple parrot]

If I wake her up at 3 am. Yes she would

[sand marsh]

i think last time u told me u game in the same room

[supple parrot]

Yes

[sand marsh]

u gotta game in a diff room so u can voice chat at 3am with the bois

[supple parrot]

Ain’t no one playing at 3 am

[sand marsh]

u literally ask me to raid at 3am every day

which is why we almost got jailed in g2 yesterday

[supple parrot]

That’s ur 3 am

Not my 3 am

U idiot

[sand marsh]

thats the only 3am wdym

[supple parrot]

Time zones exist

[sand marsh]

ur timezone doesn't exist

east coast is the only coast

[supple parrot]

G4 guide when

[low nebula]

xD

[supple parrot]

The videos are too long

I need a 10 min video to teach me

[sand marsh]

u gonna pay me to make a g4 guide?

[supple parrot]

All about g4

No, u are not atk

[sand marsh]

the day i make a g4 thaemine guide is the day i might lose all my precious hair

[low nebula]

What class you play themine on?

[supple parrot]

So u alrdy made it?

[sand marsh]

i have a lot of hair sir

[supple parrot]

Zerker

[low nebula]

Deathboi zerker as well?

[sand marsh]

ya, and pally

[supple parrot]

https://tenor.com/view/chinese-wig-man-chinese-man-mald-gif-23640128

[sand marsh]

chuan u dont need to watch those guides

[supple parrot]

He plays paly on hm cuz loser

[sand marsh]

jus skip to the major mechs and get a general idea of how to do it

everytime else, ignore

then it turns into a 3min video

[supple parrot]

Ok but can u just make a 3 min video then

[fervent ibex]

scalp, i just had an insane idea for your youtube channel

start making "raid guides in 5 minutes"

[sand marsh]

im not bald shinn

[fervent ibex]

dont even explain the mechs

just tell them what to do

"just throw desto here, stagger this"

[sand marsh]

i could make a g4 guide in 10mins probably

[low nebula]

can you do commentary run for those two
cos those are exact clasess i have, maybe you can just record one of your runs and just pause over it and say stuff like "at this patterns i facetank"
would be much help and realistically no editing.

[sand marsh]

i think making a 20min+ video explaining every normal attack is a time waste

no one is going to retain every single attack

u gotta get in there and get a feel for it

[low nebula]

it is good video to have ONE to always refer to, but yes over all is waste if more than one exist

i mean one for all community

[sand marsh]

ehhh i guess. i think people jus want to know the major mechs, realistically

in terms of attack patterns, you learn all that through sheer time

[sand marsh]

yeah i can do this

only for g1-3 though

[low nebula]

yea, but if i have a guidence from same class it would be amazing

i have onyl g1-g3 so deal

[sand marsh]

i cant do g4 until thats on farm

[low nebula]

i expect vid till tmrw.

[fervent ibex]

I think having ALL normal patterns is a waste a time, but I think it's probably worth mentioning one shot patterns

[low nebula]

when we prog

[sand marsh]

yeah fatal attacks, i can agree with that

bro tomorrow? what the

i dont even have footage

[low nebula]

huh

you didnt record your runs?

[sand marsh]

its all on twitch via vods

[low nebula]

what kind of content creator doesnt do that for future ref.

[sand marsh]

since i streamed my runs

[low nebula]

see you have futage

chop chop

[sand marsh]

i record runs off stream, without the camera/stream overlay

[low nebula]

g3 prog tmrw for me so yea

[narrow pulsar]

Yes PLS - I’ll even include A 🍒 On Top

[sand marsh]

what time are you progging tomorrow

i dont have footage so all i can do is help with shot calling

[stiff egret]

Alaric harder than thaemine.

[low nebula]

when support is available from their home stuff

[sand marsh]

what time is that

[low nebula]

no idea mate, people have irl

weird stuff

[sand marsh]

what the

[supple parrot]

Alaric was a joke. Cleared it in like 2 tries

[low nebula]

YEA im shocked as well

[sand marsh]

so u have non idea when ur gonna start?

[fervent ibex]

is Alaric that water dungeon?

[sand marsh]

ya

[fervent ibex]

those days were wild

[stiff egret]

Yeah the early oreha

[sand marsh]

water dungeon was the OG jail of lost ark

besides brel abyss dungeon

[fervent ibex]

what was it again

[stark thicket]

who need help?

[fervent ibex]

12334?

[fallen parcel]

pink is fine yah

[sand marsh]

yea shinn

122334 or something

[stark thicket]

who needs a helping hand

[low nebula]

nope, i doubt we would one shot it so this is what im saying
the content like commentary run, especially class specific while is not perfect would help tons of ppl
also zerk and pally are quite popular so yea
chop chop mate.

[wind dagger]

Alaric

[fervent ibex]

bro when i was doing alaric for the first time, we had a guy who didnt speak english, and our friend started using google translate to spanish thru the raid to explain it to him

[sand marsh]

you dont need footage when i can jus shot call in VC

[low nebula]

nah is waste of your time to join our prog

[sand marsh]

i did all my thaemines alrdy

[wind dagger]

[sand marsh]

nothing else to do

did x3 this week, im done

[wind dagger]

[low nebula]

we have person which cleared as well, im talking more about the guides you can do but without tons of editing and prep.

[sand marsh]

me chuan and rosey 3-manned g3 thaemine

all the other bozos died

that should tell u how easy itis

[low nebula]

we doing normal as well, so yea...

[sand marsh]

it would be a little strange to push out something like that so sudden when i dont have raw footage

[fervent ibex]

scalp bro, i will say i find g3 easy now myself, but its not right to tell people progging "its easy" lol

its not easy, ur just better cuz ur practiced lol

[sand marsh]

no it is right. it gives them motivation

[fervent ibex]

thats not how motivation works LOL

[low nebula]

Yea im not advocating to push it out, it was joke.
Idk if you really need raw footage, would it hurt much if you just put your commentary face over your VOD?

[sand marsh]

wdym

i think the koreans saying its really difficult shys a lot of people away from ever trying it

dont say something thats not true

[fervent ibex]

"its easy" is kinda just another way of saying "get good" imo

[stiff egret]

The harder the better

[sand marsh]

maybe there's a better way of saying that. but it is true. im a blunt person idk

im not gonna make the guide and say it's very hard. im just gonna say it will take some time.

[low nebula]

all raids are "ez" when you know everything and if they are mostly fairly designed

[neon cedar]

tbh it being really difficult made it less stressfull to prog. There was no expectation to finish it in a timely matter or that day. It waas just learn and do your best

[sand marsh]

saying it's really hard will shy people away

[neon cedar]

Sweating for the clear didnt happen until our group was well practiced

[low nebula]

Like go to older raids, vykas right now is ez, but join prog group and it would be worse time of your life.

[sand marsh]

when i heard thaemine was 'really hard', i was stressed out before i tried out. thought it would take weeks

[fervent ibex]

but also saying its easy will set false expecations something like G1 is easy. Would you put G1 and G3 on the same level?

If you say yes you're smoking crack

[sand marsh]

then it became another situation where the koreans lied yet again about raid difficulty.

[neon cedar]

Gotta get the fomo down and the good times up

[thorn sluice]

Wait they nerfed it

[low nebula]

but it was neferd quite a lot for us so

[thorn sluice]

Pre nerf was hard for real

[sand marsh]

the nerf of g3 is just damage and hp from my understanding

[low nebula]

but also they all had siderial weapons

[fervent ibex]

Koreans didnt lie LOL they legit had a harder raid than us, and they also had to solve it. We of course see it easier cuz we legit have a double-nerfed version AND we had guides

[low nebula]

so its kinda just balance around weaker realm

[thorn sluice]

More DPS req. = more wipes and more greedy

Making the raid harder

[neon cedar]

When 1 shots dont 1 shot, thats a pretty big nerf

[low nebula]

better gear - negate that all.

[supple parrot]

I mean it is easy. And ppl need to git gud. G3 is literally just a glorified valtan

[sand marsh]

yea but u can just dodge them

and chuan is right

g3 is literally valtan 2.0

[thorn sluice]

[low nebula]

chuan is right?

[sand marsh]

yes

[neon cedar]

Everything is easy guys
"Just dodge"
Common man

[supple parrot]

I wasted so much time on g3 cuz ppl getting knocked off every other pattern and even dying to Albion

Literal monkeys

[burnt tree]

There's rare days like that Cri

[supple parrot]

[sand marsh]

the hardest part of gate 3 is literally death by gravity

it's valtan..

[low nebula]

[fervent ibex]

we talking Valtan HM or you mean like Hell? cuz I find Valtan on a way lower level lol

[supple parrot]

There is only a few patterns u rly need to remember

And they are all easy to dodge

Very telegraphed

[sand marsh]

the death by gravity, valtan is general

thats why people die too most commonly

and no guides emphasized that

from my understanding

[supple parrot]

Like u could have the reflex of a 90 year old and still dodge

[low nebula]

im feeling personally called out ^

[fervent ibex]

THAT'S what makes you compare Valtan to Thaemine? Thaemine also has 20 patterns that push you off, Valtan legit might have only had one

[thorn sluice]

[sand marsh]

it's not 20 lol

[low nebula]

valtan has 4-5

[sand marsh]

thaemine only has a few

[supple parrot]

Thaemine does not have 20 patterns that push u off… there is like 4-5, same as valtan

[low nebula]

spin, slams, combo slam, ghosts, retaliation

[sand marsh]

and it's the same patterns u see earlier on in the fight as well

[low nebula]

if you did infernal valtan, you know them all.

[thorn sluice]

What about g4

[supple parrot]

Go back and do valtan with 3x3 all lego gear. Where u aren’t instantly killing him