lost-ark-discussions

[narrow pulsar]

4 different chars?

[mortal zenith]

There is not a 8/8 fully pug group

[swift lava]

I’ve met some really chill ppl progging thaemine tho

It’s been fun

[queen grail]

I gotta get into a hard grp today

And try and get G1 at least down.

I don't mind doing HNN or HHN or HH/

Hell, at this point I'll do HN/

[narrow pulsar]

You’re already doing the new legion raid 😳

[mortal zenith]

Ofc they are chill cause they are premade i also got into 1 yesterday with my bard reached 210 and called it , i asked for voice but they were spanish

[queen grail]

Already cleared 1-2 multiple times but Gate 3 is a bitch.

[narrow pulsar]

You aint no mokoko. I’ve mistaken..

[queen grail]

It's been a while since I was Mokokok yeppers.

[supple parrot]

damn g3 is hard

[narrow pulsar]

I can only imagine 😹 I’m sweating off brelshelza mechanics..

[static imp]

3.5 x mine

[queen grail]

@swift lava After I did G3 Prog and then ran back to Kaya, holy hell Kaya was so chill, just flying around dodging everything EzClap smashing multiple raids.

I swear, any homework raid after you've done prog raid's in G3 Thammy just feels like a joke

[mortal zenith]

I think for normal at least hardest pattern on g3 nm for pugs is to identify the 2 special patterns he does in a row and find the safespot , usually his back is 85% safe

[narrow pulsar]

Alysandea , how do I unlock kaya?

[queen grail]

Bro, you can trigger this in first phase too didn't even know this.

[queen grail]

1540 and do the MSQ for Elgacia.

[narrow pulsar]

Thanks

OMG that’s A crazy attack//

[queen grail]

Honestly, just make normal easier also, I get it, we want a challenge, and we have that, It's called "The First" or hard mode

[queen grail]

That's an easy one. also, G1 does no damage

[mortal zenith]

I mean on normal u have the avrage player who doesnt look at boss's animation so there is that

[narrow pulsar]

I’ll watch vid whenever deathboi makes video 🙀

We bad trouble with G3 valtan lol. The claw & jump kept getting some of us..

[mortal zenith]

Out of all normal patterns the draven with portals is pretty deadly and the virgil pattern together with clones shooting swords , all others i think are decent

[queen grail]

G3 Valtan?

[supple parrot]

3.5 hrs of g3 prog, we didnt make it to first clash

[narrow pulsar]

G2

[queen grail]

Still a much more complicated fight than any we have had before, and I don't see the majority of average pugs clearing it consistently.

[narrow pulsar]

Yeah , the pre-ghost & ghost kept fing us up..

[queen grail]

I personally think normal should be cleared by the majority of players, if you want something hard to flex with just go First or hard

[mortal zenith]

Thats y i think i am gonna get gold from brel or kayangel with my alts , g1 +g2( jail) isnt worth the 7k gold for me

[queen grail]

You'll get it, Valtan is all about not getting knocked off in the end

[narrow pulsar]

How many times did you run theamine today?

[queen grail]

I might make my 1600 / 1580 Lopangs into gold and do highest gold gain raid with them, and then have my 6 1610's on non-gold list so I can buy box for free and speedclear Kaya/Ivory and 1-2 / (3)

But I'll have to double check on gold gain If It's worth it.

[queen grail]

• I'd have to do Max gold raid on the alts so Ivory/Brell 1-3(4) and Akkan so no more Kaya for them

[mortal zenith]

If people get familiar with g2 its gonna be farm rly quick , people not used yet to this gate for some reason

And its easier than akkan g3

Thats for sure

[queen grail]

G2 Is really simple when people just do the gauntlet correct.

[tight shell]

🙂

[queen grail]

Run with your team, don't leave people behind, counter 3x dragon before the suicide bombers and Hidden sideral.

If you do that with decent dps you go straight from that phase into stagger into 40>20x nuke and gg.

[mortal zenith]

People die on the red aoe + puddle or on the wall mech

Thats what i noticed

[queen grail]

With good dps you skip that if you do hidden sideral corrrect If you mean the fake / real wall.

[mortal zenith]

Yes but we talk about alt runs so dps is on low side , people see huge red " o shit run out "

But u suppose to put ur poop close to edge and run out

[queen grail]

Sure, then you might get it, but I think people will pick that up over time, and then 1-2 will be easy.

But the climb from G1-2 into G3 is absurd.

It's like G1 is a 2/10 G3 is a 4/10 and G3 is a 20/10 in how hard it is.

[mortal zenith]

G3 u need memory quick reaction and actually eyes to see animations on boss , u cant go uga bunga dps " i am gonna get 30% cf " mindset

[swift lava]

When do u Nineveh

We just got to 190 bars or something but missed the clash

[midnight marlin]

when he tries to quarter the field

[swift lava]

So you don’t let him do it?

[queen grail]

Asking people to learn 50 patterns is a bit much tho for normal

[midnight marlin]

dont let him quarter it

you can clash the half

[swift lava]

But you let him half it

Ok

[midnight marlin]

ye let him half

[mortal zenith]

Out of 50 2 are drable

[swift lava]

So after the half clash then Nineveh?

[midnight marlin]

if you succeed the half clash he stops

and then next time he cuts he'll half it with no way to prevent

then he tries to quarter

you can clash or nineveh

[queen grail]

I mean, I get there should be a challenge, but the difference from G2 to G3 is just too high of a jump, normal should be that, normal, I don't get why the dev's don't understand that you don't have to make normal absurdly hard, you have hard mode for that, and the way they did "The First" is how they should have done the other raids too.

Have a third way harder for the giga 's that wanna prog for 500 hours.

[mortal zenith]

Because normal prepares you for hard

[queen grail]

(We do have hell mode so I guess that's it if not "The First").

[hexed dock]

There is 2 strategy with quartercut. You can first try ninaveh and after clash, or first clash and after ninaveh. Both works and I recommend Ninaveh first

[vagrant cradle]

dont think the 1580s would be worth it still, 6500 kayangel, 7500 akkan, 7500? or 10500 for brel
whereas assuming you dont buy boxes 14500 akkan, 9000 ivory, 7200 after buying boxes for thaemine norm 1-3 or 7500(10500) brel

[mortal zenith]

Usually you go into hard and you clear quicker cause u know mechs from normal

[vagrant cradle]

[mortal zenith]

Just like voldis or akkan etc

[queen grail]

What if you don't want to go hard ever? Lots of people go normal and stay, and then you re-learn the difference from Normal/Hard when you go hard.

You can also have Similar ish mechs just make them non-lethal / lethal in difference.

Or less punishing / etc lower hp bla bla, lots of ways to work around it.

[vagrant cradle]

[queen grail]

Unsure, I think 🐀 Is one of the bigger server, Zinnervale was one of the server's merged into that and I think that was one of the bigger servers before, and primarly english speaking.

[mortal zenith]

Idk i think thaemine g3 is there to punish those people who play only to mvp and be first on dps board , and thats good in my eyes

[queen grail]

Not sure why you deleted the text

[vagrant cradle]

[ancient tundra]

Rat gods

[queen grail]

He asked and then just, vanished.

[ancient tundra]

In that server

[queen grail]

https://tenor.com/view/smoke-illusionist-magician-jochem-nooyen-gone-gif-17492543

[mint sail]

Zinnervale is not an option in Central Europe?

[ancient tundra]

They got merged

[queen grail]

No, but 🐀 is.

Zinnervale got merged into 🐀

[mint sail]

Ratik

[ancient tundra]

So now it s bigger servers

[mint sail]

?

[vagrant cradle]

nerf that essentially permanent damage debuff in normal

[ancient tundra]

Ye

[vagrant cradle]

[queen grail]

That's Rat King.

[ancient tundra]

Ratik

[mint sail]

ok thnx guys

[queen grail]

I think that's one of the bigger one.

But in actual numbers, no idea at all.

[mortal zenith]

U dont get it from all patterns though

[ancient tundra]

Aly will u try the first

[vagrant cradle]

yeah i know

[queen grail]

My artist has 220k+ Hp / Heavy Armor / Crisis Evasion and still died to normal patterns G3 I mean, that's just, not ok.

[mortal zenith]

I play HA 1 bard on g3 thaemine

Made it to 210

[ancient tundra]

Watch atk scream at you

[mortal zenith]

xd

[ancient tundra]

Soon

[vagrant cradle]

but in normal i think the debuff could be weaker and the gate would be perfect

maybe 10% per debuff instead of the what 20%?

his attacks would still mostly hurt

[rigid aurora]

just dont get hit

[vagrant cradle]

i play sorc im slow

[buoyant wagon]

no normal patterns one shot you outside of having a lot of debuff stacks

[mortal zenith]

U know what this boss reminds me , nameless king in ds 3 slow attacks telegraphed and deadly

[buoyant wagon]

unless you mean red aoes from his meter bar

[turbid oriole]

did u find new game yet

[rigid aurora]

no

what game u like

[queen grail]

I'm sticking to my guns on this, Normal should be cleared by the overwhelming majority of players in a decent time-frame and if you want to do harder, then go flex at people in "The First", the jump up from G2 > 3 Is absurd in this raid

[vagrant cradle]

real tbh

[hexed dock]

Agreed

[ancient tundra]

Ah that fucker

[vagrant cradle]

honestly my problem is im not too familiar with patterns yet

[ancient tundra]

Fuck him

[vagrant cradle]

there's a lot to learn

[queen grail]

So funny watching Sneaky trying to figure out why they died in G1.

[vagrant cradle]

[queen grail]

[ancient tundra]

Beating him took away my sanity but it was done

[mortal zenith]

If u learned nameless king , u wont have problem on this , because u will actuslly pay attention to how he holds his sword tc , but people are not used to check animations thats the problem , u have the average mmonguy want to see numbers etc

[ancient tundra]

Wait for real ?

Nice

[queen grail]

Also hard af to see sometimes in Lost Ark, so many spell effects

[buoyant wagon]

normal basically should have been a 1620 raid and hard should have been 1640

[queen grail]

Gotta turn down my spell effects

[buoyant wagon]

1620 trivializes normal immensely

[queen grail]

So you want to make normal harder?

[vagrant cradle]

my spell effects are at the lowest setting for sorc and sometimes i cant see animations

[ancient tundra]

The problem with nameless King fucker lowers speed of his attacks

[hexed dock]

Turn down effect sorc, that is the only way while prog

[ancient tundra]

Or increases the speed out of nowhere

[queen grail]

Also, the honing to 1640 Is insane my guy that's all on 24 ye?

[buoyant wagon]

23

but realistically that's the difficulty of the raid

[queen grail]

Isn't 25 = 1645?

[buoyant wagon]

1650

24 is 1645

23 is 1640

[hexed dock]

Actually turning down effect system came out because sorcs and aeros were screaming to devs that they can see nothing going on

[vagrant cradle]

yeah 1650 for 25

[queen grail]

Goodluck getting enough players, this is the extra cost just for armor from 1630 > 40, and then on wep 30 > 40 with juicy

[frail plover]

Building Imposters

[queen grail]

[vagrant cradle]

that's why i'll just wait until echidna for advanced honing

[still lintel]

@ancient tundra https://youtube.com/shorts/bRUBXcvvolk?si=Y3-Q8P-ZGDN-j7_1

[swift lava]

We got to 190 bars all alive how is that imposter

[queen grail]

Anyways, 1610 Is fine for normal, but they should have calmed down G3 even more no point making it into 20 min Dark Soul Match where 8 players can all wipe you.

[supple parrot]

did u guys clear g3? its hard we progged for 3.5 hrs, didnt get to first clash, no one memorized the one shot patterns, cant do it blind

[buoyant wagon]

we're on 2nd clash

[vagrant cradle]

[ancient tundra]

Bro wtf

[supple parrot]

once gauge fills to full

we are fucked

[ancient tundra]

That s scary

[supple parrot]

[buoyant wagon]

but people cant counter sword for shit

[vagrant cradle]

you doing hard?

[zealous lintel]

we are on the second one

[supple parrot]

yes

[vagrant cradle]

[zealous lintel]

180 bars in total

[supple parrot]

wats the point of doin normal

[zealous lintel]

2 hours prog

contuiniung on monday

[queen grail]

Why, you don't want to pay almost 1 million raw gold and 650k+ in Leaps and 800k in fusion + + + + to go from 1630 > 40 (on average so pray you don't pity because well, then you're fucked).

[quartz turret]

[zealous lintel]

rolled over gate 1 and 2

[supple parrot]

we are havin trouble with the stagger after the counter

[vagrant cradle]

[supple parrot]

if ppl with high stagger gets mark and leaves

[queen grail]

It's just another shy 3 million @vagrant cradle Worth it.

Ish.

[supple parrot]

losing a lot of up time on sword

[queen grail]

Could be 4 mil I guess If you go on a pity streak

[swift lava]

It’s hard to pay attention to target and sword above your head too

[vagrant cradle]

[still lintel]

Now imagie wat archeon feel like

[supple parrot]

just need to do it more

the cones are fucked too

[ancient tundra]

NO

https://tenor.com/view/get-out-of-my-head-gif-24390027

[supple parrot]

ppl not kiting the cones properly and gettin blasted

[vagrant cradle]

i just need to bide my time and i'll be guaranteed 1645 10 weeks after echidna releases

[supple parrot]

u think ur gettin into echidna

without transcendence?

good luck

[queen grail]

[vagrant cradle]

brother i will be doing normal and then do hard with the other plebians who also did what i did

[ancient tundra]

Go to sleep bro

Wtf

[hexed dock]

Echidna NM is fine with just elixir though

[supple parrot]

can u unlock all of advanced honing with just nm?

[vagrant cradle]

no

normal gets 10 items levels

[queen grail]

I can't sleep I'm trying.

[vagrant cradle]

hard gets the other 10 more item levels

[hexed dock]

Adv honing has 20 level, Nm make you go to up 10 and for 20 you need HM material

Adv honing 20lv = honing 2lv

[frail plover]

Memo cutting elixirs pogg

[supple parrot]

so how can u get to 1645, r u 1635 now?

[hexed dock]

Nah sorry 20lv = 4lv

[vagrant cradle]

brother i told you i would do normal and then hard

[quartz turret]

shambles

[supple parrot]

did u clear nm?

[quartz turret]

when is thaemine hm on farm

[supple parrot]

how far u get on g3

[quartz turret]

nah

[supple parrot]

how far

[zealous lintel]

prolly after everyone is 1650

or 5x nerf

[supple parrot]

nah if everyone has the one shot patterns memorized

it'll be on farm

just no one has it memorized right now

[hexed dock]

Would take about 5 month

[supple parrot]

having to do it blind is aids

[quartz turret]

like 200 smthing idk bruh

[frail plover]

When do we start gatekeeping, only the first title?

For normal

[hexed dock]

KR HMG3 farm still unstable

[supple parrot]

thats same progress as us in hm

[quartz turret]

we progged for like 1h smthing

[supple parrot]

[quartz turret]

[supple parrot]

we've been stuck at the same mech

for the whole time

[quartz turret]

sword?

[supple parrot]

we got past sword, but never with everyone alive

[quartz turret]

i need to start watching the guide

[supple parrot]

surprising how hard the stagger check was maybe need sup to run vph?

[quartz turret]

[zealous lintel]

are you talking about the stagger check at the beginning?

[supple parrot]

no

[hexed dock]

Sup vph recommended in G4, G3 works too but I think it is a choice

[supple parrot]

after u counter swords

stagger check at beginning was fine

[zealous lintel]

aaah. we did them but we also have two palas with vph

[supple parrot]

stagger check after counter feels tight

have to hold skills

and shit

[hexed dock]

Lacking stagger is mainly because sb is running to far to avoid lazer or sword

sb missing when stagger is often expected sup vph would be an answer

[supple parrot]

just need to be more consistent with the cone and one shot mechs

[quartz turret]

im supposed to use the spring water right?

[hexed dock]

If you fail 3star on transcend

Need water.

[supple parrot]

do both

[quartz turret]

bruh i dont want to learn a new system

[hexed dock]

NEVER MAKE WATER BY FIRE

[supple parrot]

use the calculator

idiot

[gleaming pendant]

use dark fire

[quartz turret]

[gleaming pendant]

[hexed dock]

I have watched so many people using fire to make water today

Wonder why devs just allow that

[quartz turret]

wtf how do i use the cal

[supple parrot]

watch the memo video

explainin it

loser

[quartz turret]

fuck this shit

[supple parrot]

[quartz turret]

waste of time

[swift lava]

damn i wish we could have done the sidereal but that was a fun prog

[quartz turret]

u cleared?

[swift lava]

no lol

[frail plover]

No imposter title xd

[copper halo]

Is the arcturus touch double mats thing still only 5 weeks? (or was it 4?)

[swift lava]

It’s literally the best title rn wym

You have to clear thaemine 10 times for his title

[static imp]

https://youtu.be/rf7-xpERx7M?si=GkorVvVAgyRThCof

Is this available in our version??

[frail plover]

Ninav title?

[copper halo]

Yes

[swift lava]

I mean it shows you atleast did thaemine

[supple parrot]

best title would be eclipse, or one of the top10 titles

[supple parrot]

[swift lava]

You know what I mean

[frail plover]

Nah u can be dead

[swift lava]

Most ppl aren’t going to have that lol

[swift lava]

Yea and you can buy a bus for everything else. What’s your point

[quartz turret]

so ur just supposed to destroy all tiles?

[static imp]

The first thing i am getting after i open the game after long time

[copper halo]

Didn't the director say like 40% of 1630+ chars in KR have the eclipse title or something dumb like that

[frail plover]

Clash break nina clash break

[quartz turret]

wtf man idk whats going on

[frail plover]

If u get to the second clash ur group dps is low

[quartz turret]

what im talking about transendence

[frail plover]

Oh

Ye break all except black tile

xdd

[quartz turret]

ill just watch the vid later

[frail plover]

And above cards is ur limit on how many turns u have

It says like 3 symbols win transcend for x round

U want to have that shit always hit 3 and in the later ones u can have 1 of them be 2 for all 20 point, max is 21

If u tapped one already u can hover over ur gear and see the bonis

[supple parrot]

watch the guide on how to use the calculator

then use calculator

[quartz turret]

im tired of watching guide

[frail plover]

Calculator seems super troll sometimes xd

[zealous lintel]

can relate

[quartz turret]

i just want to play the game

[frail plover]

Told me to thunder while I had explosion then again I failed that one manually

But I also had shit cards

[vagrant cradle]

[frail plover]

Never go for the gold tree its scam

[supple parrot]

calculator is good

if u use it right

once chance is low

just stop it and move on to next

[frail plover]

[midnight marlin]

[neon cedar]

Calcs are cope

[wind dagger]

[frail plover]

Its ai so it can be wrong

Specially when u need to take a gamble and prayge

[copper halo]

That's how they get you

[frail plover]

Just gotta go for the 1 mil gold pity xd

[hexed dock]

Ai goes joke when it comes to endgame

At first it is quite reliable

[swift lava]

damn no lobbies for g3

[midnight marlin]

go int scalp's lobby

[vagrant cradle]

[wind dagger]

[static imp]

It is what it is

I dont mind

[quartz turret]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/990006022099849257/1174770945056063518/speed-3-1.gif

[frail shard]

people crying over g3 thaemine prog and call it day after 3 attempts makes me want to throw brick at their house window

so weak

[vagrant cradle]

[stark thicket]

[vagrant cradle]

people really do want a trixion dummy that doesnt fight back

[copper halo]

g3 is pretty tough tbh, our boomer group tried normal for like 2 hours yesterday and only got to 200x or so

[stark thicket]

@wind dagger I keep you safe even though u hate me

[vagrant cradle]

yeah but you'll get better with practice

[frail shard]

thats not the point, the point is "prog word"

YOU EXPECT FAILURE

THATS WHAT WE DO

[vagrant cradle]

my boomer group got to 119 today after about 3 hours of progging

we'll get there eventually

[gleaming pendant]

https://tenor.com/view/work-penguin-lego-create-make-gif-14370027608174902570

[frail shard]

dont bring your weakpull mentality over me if you cant endure the failure from 3 attempts only

[rigid aurora]

wtf kae ba pfp

[frail shard]

i wanna say R word so bad.

[copper halo]

I don't know if the easy version of the raid should be that difficult though, still have 17 other raids to do this week even if we manage to clear that one 😄

[turbid oriole]

yuzu get me food

[vagrant cradle]

[rigid aurora]

bro YOU get me food

i literally have none

[gleaming pendant]

[frail shard]

RRRRRRRRRatik

[zealous lintel]

then stop the prog for this id an go for next?

[copper halo]

In a game like this where you have to grind these shit raids till your eyes bleed feels different than something like wow where you can just spend all your time progging a raid and that doesn't really set you back

[frail shard]

bro put so much dedication to apply for prog group only to cry with his broken mic from 3 attempts

i cant.

[copper halo]

progging is fun but spending a lot of time on it really sets you back in so many ways in lost ark

but yea quitting after 3 attempts is pretty weak

[vagrant cradle]

yeah that would be quite annoying

[rigid aurora]

eugene put me in

ill carry the prog

[frail shard]

like 5 of us literally holding mald he sighing, complaining, comment over stupid shit like we ALL DID, forgot to bring battle item boxes WITH NO CRYSTALLINE AURA

fucking nutwit

[vagrant cradle]

[frail shard]

he sighing 1hour straight

"ugh"

"ommgggg"

"oh god"

[hexed dock]

Common G4 prog is like this. You first lose sleep, lose meal, and at the end you throwaway every other raid and live in Baratron 24/7. G3 I think it is too early

[vagrant cradle]

[hexed dock]

Every player need mental preparance after all

[zealous lintel]

people shouldnt expect to clear the new raid week 1

if you arent in top 0,5% you just cant.

[stark thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/dragon's-dogma-2-dd2-sphinx-sphynx-riddle-gif-5097421769633677284

[frail shard]

i love la campanella piece it calms me down.

along with hungarian rhapsody no.2

[hexed dock]

Its my favorite

[supple parrot]

fuck me , didnt get shit on sorc elixir

[stark thicket]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1124033504435523704.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

What you watching

[copper halo]

clearing normal w1 shouldn't bee too hard tbh

[stark thicket]

Did you beat thaemine

[copper halo]

especially as many people are 1620+ and outgear the raid by quite a bit

[zealous lintel]

dunno, many people in many games dont clear the raid even normal mode week 1

and it shouldnt be expected if you cant put the time in

[frail shard]

we cleared g1 day one g2 day tow

[zealous lintel]

if you just beat g2 and cant finish 3

go for next week

we rolled over g1 and 2 in 1 hour

[hexed dock]

Cuz G3 main issue is red overkill pattern and freefall

[zealous lintel]

g3 1 hour prog 180 bars

[hexed dock]

Bringing elixir 50 wouldnt help while prog

[zealous lintel]

we will be trying again on monday. if not, whatever

[stark thicket]

Yeah, I don't get why ask for nerf day one lol, need to be progression. You will have 8 months to do it

[frail shard]

you are so correct

want a date

[zealous lintel]

later on people crying raids are boring

[copper halo]

what happens after 8 months?

[hexed dock]

Me doing 8 months and we still have unstable pug for HMG3

[stark thicket]

Idk just said a number

[copper halo]

I saw a lot of people quit during brel because the homework was just too much, so far it feels like thaemine is possibly even tougher than brel was

[stark thicket]

You scare me Eugene

[zealous lintel]

pretty much. didnt like several statics emplode yesterday?

[stark thicket]

[zealous lintel]

thats what i read yesterday at least in here

[stark thicket]

That's crazy that they can't even bother trying for a couple weeks.

[hexed dock]

The playerbase wants feeling of great achievement and 6 homeworking level of difficulty at the same time. It is what it is

[zealous lintel]

dont understand that stance either. The raid just released

[copper halo]

It's the nature of the game, if you don't complete all of your homework you feel like you're losing progress

[stark thicket]

The community is weak if you ask me, this is why new players don't wanna play, 2 much gatekeeping and whining about wipe.

[zealous lintel]

this

[hexed dock]

Take your pace, after all need over 600 darkfire anyway

[copper halo]

In a game like wow if you don't kill the boss and get the drop it's no big deal, once you get the drop you're caught up. But lost ark you're losing like 150k gold every week you spend all of your time progging the raid instead of doing homework. And that sets you back in terms of honing in the future

[zealous lintel]

well thats why you shift your priorities if you dont get it done

its actually the same

in WoW if you dont 3 out of 8 bosses you wont get a potential drop

if you dont beat g3 thaemine you lose out on dark matter

so what?

do your 17 raids

and start again next week

[copper halo]

I mean it's not the same thing since I have to quit doing the thing I'd actually want to do which is prog the new raid just to grind old stuff because the time window to do all that is closing

[zealous lintel]

In LOA the community pretty much takes 18 raids a base line even with prog, which is the wrong approuch

[vagrant cradle]

[hexed dock]

Maybe just dropping other raids is not a bad idea… after all this is prog and raid for fun not bitcoin goldmining

[copper halo]

saying getting the most gold out of raids per week is the wrong approach is a pretty pepega statement when you think about how you progress your account in the game

[zealous lintel]

which i did not

i actually said the quite oppisite

go for maximum gold and take the rest of the time for prog

[hexed dock]

Through Thamine and Echidna KR version playerbase has also changed from multi multi alt game to one or two character concentrated game

[zealous lintel]

BUT saying i want to prog 48 hours straight without making CUTS is the wrong aprouch

thats what the LOA community wants

thats why the first people crying for nerfs

[stark thicket]

I want solo content cba having game ruined by trashy community

I will raid valtan solo week

[copper halo]

Every raid before this one has had an easy version that you could clear really fast, that just doesn't seem like the case this time

[zealous lintel]

And it the end of the day, you are playing the game for "fun" right? If you want to prog the raid till you get it done cause its fun and exicitng, you prolly can sacrifize one week worth of gold

[copper halo]

and looking at g3 it doesn't look like it's going to be chill reclears with pugs for a while 😅

[zealous lintel]

no it wont be. sg themselves stated, that thaemine will be something else. but we already got additional nerfs

[hexed dock]

This concept is maintained until Echidna, and KR people were kinda exhausted so devs made supereasy Behemoth

[zealous lintel]

they will nerf it prolly one more time after a short period i believe

[zealous lintel]

Echidna isnt hard as well is she?

[copper halo]

echidna apparently is pretty easy

and behemoth a complete joke, just thaemine that's a step above the rest

[hexed dock]

At first it was madness. Especially for HM basically needed full TR

Now it is okay

[swift tree]

normal mode is the easy version

💀

[copper halo]

just saying it doesn't feel like there's an easy version this time

[swift tree]

Echidna is easy once Korean actually learned how the mechanics worked. Her identity attacks too ka while to learn

[nova hazel]

damn 1600 min requirement for brel hard thats crazy

[swift tree]

Why is a 1610 doing Brel HM for gold?

[nova hazel]

[swift tree]

not even 1-4

[quartz turret]

[zealous lintel]

cause only bussed voldis

[zealous lintel]

[copper halo]

brel is fast and pretty good gold and if your char is parked getting new mats from another raid doesn't matter much

[swift tree]

y no master counterpuncher? sarcasm

Nice job Rosey

[hexed dock]

After releasing Echidna and Behemoth, the hardest raid(hell excluded) is still Thamine G4, and next is G3. Devs are trying to maintain this difficulty for Thamine in our servrr

[swift tree]

Yeah, that's why Gate 4 is untouched by G1-3 all have had health and attack tweaks

[hexed dock]

So it was surprising when Echidna got nerfed even before Thamine

[zealous lintel]

it will be original brel all over again with the difference that people dont clear it.

but tbh, before additional nerfs people were skipping brel g5-6 as well

[hexed dock]

People here dont clear G4 anyway

Around 40% only

[supple parrot]

thought u cleared g3 for as ec

[swift tree]

Which is why it's kinda insane that the most important part of the story so far is hidden in G4 of Thaemine

[hexed dock]

G3 lets go

[quartz turret]

huh

[supple parrot]

saw mvp screen posted thought u cleared g3

[quartz turret]

i aint clearing that shit anytime soonge

ye just dm chuan hes interested

[blissful rose]

[copper halo]

Chuan buy this man's gold and fund my 25 weapon on euc, ty

[blissful rose]

I buy mine for $0.24/k

Not interested

Damn

[neon cedar]

RMT isn't allowed so just give me your gold

Ez

[burnt tree]

Fund your +25 yourself!

[copper halo]

RMT implies dollars or euros are in some way real

[copper halo]

https://tenor.com/view/no-i-dont-think-i-will-captain-america-old-capt-gif-17162888

[burnt tree]

Has anyone cleared g3 yet that isn't a pilot, hacker or other region player

[burnt tree]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/889461603366469655/1223249823214473286/kim-chaewon-gunn.gif

[stark thicket]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1124033504435523704.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

Where did you come from

[blissful rose]

My basement

[copper halo]

what g3 has taught me is never trust a destroyer calling "dps window just blast"

can't deal with death raining above because I play a normal class without unlimited shields and dr

[hexed dock]

In this everybody prog stage bringing Destroyer might be an adventurous idea since they often suffer to find optimum headattack angle

And they fill up Thamine gauge a lot

[burnt tree]

And then theres the Just Blast destroyer who just yolo

[copper halo]

we have two destroyers and a breaker in our group 😅

[burnt tree]

My condolences

[hexed dock]

Then you are doing Destroyer mode not normal mode

[copper halo]

my guy just going "yeah man 0 stacks I'm blasting", when we go into the first intermission and dude is like "shit 11 stacks already"

[stark thicket]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1107121829488885823.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[stark thicket]

Bring me to your basement

[vagrant cradle]

[swift lava]

So is thaemine Kadan?

Why that hair fall out of his mask

[hexed dock]

Spoilers

[swift lava]

It’s literally an old video wym

[vagrant cradle]

[stark thicket]

Take me to your garage, I'll show you what miracle grow does

[tulip charm]

how far did u guys get? i almost lost hope on g2 we started prog around 8:30, then magically somehow everyone lived to , then 2 died at 28 bars, then we ran out of time

kinda stoked, i lost hope now i am hella hyped again, prog is weird

[hexed dock]

It is all about teammates in Thamine

[amber laurel]

Theamine g3 feels ridiculous

[supple parrot]

we got past sword, but never with everyone alive, and then we cant do the full darkness one shot

[tulip charm]

thats kinda fked, u guys are full 25 weapons all lv11 gems too lol

if u guys can't clear idk what to think, datzmods cleared g3 normal

[hexed dock]

You guys doing HM?

[supple parrot]

i mean we just dont have the patterns memorized

u have to do it blinded

so u cant see red indicators

[supple parrot]

yes

[hexed dock]

Good luck, soon will get better after transcendence

[lost dome]

yo what, i didnt know this existed

[supple parrot]

i dont think we got issue with dmg, at least in hm, just have to memorize the darkness bs

also dont have albion memorized

[wind dagger]

did chuan clear g3 yet

[copper halo]

I'm at the point where if it's not one of the wave albions I'm dodging the first and timestopping 😓

[hexed dock]

Albion there is a guide nobody using timestop, but I think you already saw it

[copper halo]

More time to look at the patterns then

[buoyant wagon]

albion has 2 straightforward ones

[hexed dock]

It is matter of time after all

[supple parrot]

not even close

[wind dagger]

[tulip charm]

i....

[buoyant wagon]

there's the run to corner, dash into mid, then hug boss

[tulip charm]

forgot this experience lol

its been so long since ive progged raid content on release

[buoyant wagon]

the run to corner, dash into mid, then run back to corner

[supple parrot]

we are only proggin 3-4 hours a day, pretty casual, started 40 min late today cuz someone had to stay late at work

[buoyant wagon]

and the other two is a matter of clockwise vs counterclockwise

[tulip charm]

like losing hope, falling asleep, then magically waking up with the adrenaline lol

[supple parrot]

yall got akkans? bout to run one

there is no lobbies

[buoyant wagon]

the one where the safe side starts off on the sides is run counter clockwise

[tulip charm]

nae?

[supple parrot]

naw

no time for nae raids this week

[buoyant wagon]

the one where the safe side starts perpendicular middle is run clockwise

[supple parrot]

[stark thicket]

Did Adriel buy a wig?

Sorry I won't bully

[tulip charm]

yea i am mad behind on dailes right now, if u got space ill come, who else is even here?

[supple parrot]

no one

is @quartz turret here?

[quartz turret]

huh

[stark thicket]

No, this is Patrick

[quartz turret]

[supple parrot]

quick akkange?

[stark thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-star-no-this-is-patrick-spongebob-angry-mad-gif-9319809

[quartz turret]

k

[hexed dock]

This is lastest Albion HM darkseed strategy in our server, check if need

https://m.inven.co.kr/board/lostark/4821/96426

[supple parrot]

@quartz turret u have lead

[quartz turret]

fuck i have striker

[uneven mortar]

[quartz turret]

ez syn

[supple parrot]

dumb rosey

[quartz turret]

i was cutting trans

[wind dagger]

[swift tree]

newest one with 1630 is 200k gold

[stark thicket]

[keen copper]

what special tile is this on the calc

i cant tell

[hexed dock]

Seems upgrade

[lost dome]

so i wasted my luck at 1600

[swift tree]

nah knowing everyone's luck we'll hit the 50k one at 1630

[copper halo]

1630 is a scam. I was promised 200k but only hit 20k and 10k so far

[swift tree]

Smilegate devs sneaking a "stroke of midnight" reference to the Thaemine G4 slice.

[copper halo]

New gold river literally owes me 370k

[swift tree]

Your compensation is being able to take 1490 alts through Brel on solo mode

https://tenor.com/view/tpb-trailer-park-boys-ricky-to-fuck-off-gif-19480783

-new Goldriver

[cedar zealot]

I'm down to soloing on a new alt all the way to 1600

Solo raids better give gold though

Even if it's half of nm version

[swift tree]

Only on 18 designated characters

[cedar zealot]

No gold = fail system like rehearsal

[swift tree]

Rehearsal also doesn't give progression mats so

[zealous lintel]

i think they will give gold and mats

[swift tree]

and aren't solo

[zealous lintel]

maybe like a 60% from the normal modes

[cedar zealot]

Yeah I suggest it be half of what you get from nm

Gold and mats

[wind dagger]

Varkan and Delain Armen, today is my day

[swift tree]

Valtan 400g
Vykas 600g
Clown 750g
Brelshaza 1200g
Akkan 2500g imo

[copper halo]

Can't believe it's still 8 weeks of akkan nm to get full gear. What kind of bullshit is this

[zealous lintel]

ye, they should just add arcturus touch 24/7

[swift tree]

It's still the newest set of armour, probably why

[cedar zealot]

How are new players gonna progress and hone if they barely get any gold

[zealous lintel]

but as baratron pointed out, thats the last set we get before prolly kazeros releases?

[keen copper]

[swift tree]

Of course, I'm just assuming what Smilegate would go with since they hate inflation.

[swift tree]

Probably end up with a Shushire situation where finishing Northern Kurzan MSQ gives you skip gear.

1600 Northern Kurzan.

[cedar zealot]

Oh ye definitely, if we you meant what smg might do, those values look reasonable, there is a chance the solo raids give only bound gold (cannot be traded)

[copper halo]

Kurzan powerpass with full akkan gear when

[swift tree]

Or at least deposit gold

[swift tree]

Korea doesn't even have Kurzan PP yet

afaik

[cedar zealot]

Bound gold can be used on honing and doesn't add to inflation imo

No point Botting either

[zealous lintel]

but they dont have a new set so far do they?

just advanced honing

[turbid oriole]

[stark thicket]

What does this mean.. did you transcend into a mokoko god?!

[copper halo]

Making permanently bound gold and adding that to things would help a lot

[swift tree]

The MSQ for Kurzan is 1580, so it would give Ancient Gear in some form since a continent powerpass takes you to the level of that pass.

[keen copper]

[cedar zealot]

Bound gold was @turbid oriole idea

They should hire him

[cedar zealot]

We can finally get some ps sh buffs

[swift tree]

Gear got upgraded using Zosma's Balls and Sceptrum's Bathwater

[cedar zealot]

[buoyant wagon]

8 weeks to gear up from akkan isn't unreasonable by mmo standards

but given it's old content it should be bumped up to like 5 or 6 weeks

[swift tree]

12-14 weeks is the industry standard it seems

[cedar zealot]

Yep

Let's say in kr

[swift tree]

It's 6 weeks with auction box iirc.

[cedar zealot]

Endgame - thaemine echidna and behemoth

[stark thicket]

8 weeks + gatekeeping hell, not worth

[cedar zealot]

Anything pre thaemine should be sped up in kr

But it isn't

They always slow on this

[buoyant wagon]

you get gatekept harder in akkan based on class, roster level, and cards

[swift tree]

Their development is reactionary, which means it lag-leads player progression

[buoyant wagon]

than ilvl

plenty of 1580 lobbies do akkan

[hexed dock]

Ivory(elixir) and akkan is about to get faster by Summer in KR I think

[swift tree]

Yes

[cedar zealot]

They also don't want it to be too easy for rice farmers to start making more alt accounts

[hidden jay]

[swift tree]

Solo raids includes Ivory and Akkan. Which gives 1580 players a means to a) get an income of legendary cards from Valtan -> Akkan.
Ivory gives them access to Elixirs

[cedar zealot]

Like atm, you can do 6x 1540 quite easily and the return per week is good

[buoyant wagon]

biggest hit to rice farmers is when brel gold gets nerfed

[hexed dock]

It is all about alts always. Some people actually hoard accounts

[cedar zealot]

Yep, I'm surprised we didn't get it this patch

[cedar zealot]

Hi Ember

How's thaemine prog

[hidden jay]

We got clown gold nerfge

[buoyant wagon]

but honestly

[cedar zealot]

That only affected me, now I have to swap 10 min clowns for 50 min akkan nms

[buoyant wagon]

clown + brel nerf is like what

[cedar zealot]

[swift tree]

The change also comes with:

• Transcendence/Elixir changes
• Entropy Removal
• Engraving Adjustments
• Class Engraving tweaks (many are just diluted version of the same engraving)
• Balancing that looks more at game systems instead of just tweaking raw numbers of skills

[buoyant wagon]

25k less gold per roster per week?

not really hitting that bottom line too hard

[hidden jay]

I haven't done a clown in ages

[swift tree]

Brel didn't get nerfed, did it?

[cedar zealot]

Entropy removal and engraving adjustments are coming this summer to KR?

[swift tree]

Didn't see it reduced to 2k per gate

[turbid oriole]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1105743236892467275/1226655680161644684/upksqnvgj4tc1.png?ex=6622ec20&is=66219aa0&hm=20df8b2cfc1dfe36c9587c44f42d138fc470017eb49bd755e63058f5500d4c63&

[cedar zealot]

Not for us

[hexed dock]

That is highly expected

[hidden jay]

G3 makes me want to sudoko

[cedar zealot]

I can clear clown in the time it takes to find two sup for akkan nm

[zealous lintel]

would have loved the brel gold nerf....

[swift tree]

This year's "Summer" for KR is much like the 2022/23 Summer where they did a large overhaul of the game

[hidden jay]

Can we ban Baratron as compensation

[cedar zealot]

[hexed dock]

No one know for sure though

[cedar zealot]

How would we know the lore of lost ark if dad is banned

[wind dagger]

[zealous lintel]

when awekening rang 3???

[cedar zealot]

All us shift + G enjoyers would be in shambles

[hexed dock]

Sth huge coming and dunno how much

[swift tree]

2022 was changes to raids & honing from 1370 -> 1460 for Vykas.
2023 was large scale changes to Tier 1 & 2, the introduction of Arcturus Touch, Kayangel overhaul and Tower adjustments.

[hidden jay]

Just yesterday I realized Thaemine is left handed

Just like me

[cedar zealot]

Just like legalia

[wind dagger]

[zealous lintel]

[wind dagger]

[cedar zealot]

[hidden jay]

Lgalia

[cedar zealot]

At least his mental age is quite high

[buoyant wagon]

why would you want brel gold nerf

it doesnt really help anyone at this point

[zealous lintel]

then i dont need run it anymore

too much gold on the plate to not run it

[cedar zealot]

And then you have to run a higher ilvl raid on alts - more gatekeeping, more sup shortage, more jail

[swift lava]

I’m left handed too

[zealous lintel]

eh, brel right now is the biggest jail hole i have witnessed

[swift lava]

[hidden jay]

[zealous lintel]

200+ roster cant perfrom, only 50 rosters. The goats are the 145-195

[cedar zealot]

I just skip g4

[zealous lintel]

its jail after jail

its not even g4

its g3

[quartz turret]

shambles

[zealous lintel]

G3!!

[cedar zealot]

Rosey

[quartz turret]

[tulip charm]

chuan went rogue

[zealous lintel]

people cant run into one spot picking up a square

[quartz turret]

[swift tree]

I mean Thaemine is both gay AND demonic, so pick either reasoning for him to be a southpaw.

(context: left-handedness was considered a sign of being either back when it was shunned).

[tulip charm]

@supple parrot who mced u via green tether lol

[supple parrot]

my partner died immediately

[swift tree]

YOKO CANT KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH IT!

[supple parrot]

and i got mc'd

and rosey kille dme

the se

cant trust these meta chasers

[swift tree]

You running NAW rn?

[gleaming pendant]

no hes ambidexterous

[supple parrot]

we just finished

[gleaming pendant]

very godly

[cedar zealot]

[turbid oriole]

[swift tree]

Thaemine is peak vers.

[midnight marlin]

stopped at x140

[gleaming pendant]

the transcendence AI tool is also pretty broken

[midnight marlin]

broken good or bad

[tulip charm]

its brel offweek and i am so behind on all my raids....

[midnight marlin]

i assume bad

[gleaming pendant]

broken good

i cut 3 into 3 into 3

[cedar zealot]

Broken as in unusable or pretty good

[gleaming pendant]

finished liberating my chest

[cedar zealot]

Oh

[gleaming pendant]

without using a ruinstone

[cedar zealot]

[gleaming pendant]

[swift tree]

Sceptrum bathwater and Zosma Balls

They are quite literally Zosma Balls tho

[cedar zealot]

[swift tree]

since y'know...

T+K = Z

[midnight marlin]

why is thaemine the bottom tho

[cedar zealot]

I haven't even done the thaemine prequest

[swift tree]

service-top*

[gleaming pendant]

[swift tree]

Crush me Kae

[cedar zealot]

Normal?

[swift tree]

dw they can't see that

[frail shard]

HOOOW

[cedar zealot]

Where hard achievement

[frail shard]

HOWWW

[cedar zealot]

Wdym how

It's Kae

[midnight marlin]

just kill the boss

?

[zealous lintel]

GZ!

[cedar zealot]

Just don't die and kill the boss

[midnight marlin]

gz

[cedar zealot]

It's the meta strat

For every boss

[gleaming pendant]

thru hard work and dedication bro

LOL

[cedar zealot]

[frail shard]

i am envy of you

[swift tree]

Spending long hours in the same group progging it

[thorn sluice]

Some1 in my guild

[frail shard]

cap you need 10x

[swift tree]

Gross.

[cedar zealot]

Dlc gatekeep from week 2

[thorn sluice]

[gleaming pendant]

swear getting thru the normal pattern when platform is broken is the hardest

1 misstep and you go

[swift tree]

Some bussing rosters have 10x 1610s

Guildmates I know have 9

[zealous lintel]

were all of you alive?

[frail shard]

ugh.

[gleaming pendant]

8 was alive at 90

[zealous lintel]

noice!

we only made it to 180 bars so far

[midnight marlin]

1 was alive at 0

[gleaming pendant]

then after clone finish, 6 was left

[swift tree]

If only stage break in Thaemine cut to a commercial break the same way Kayangel did in MSQ.

[gleaming pendant]

[supple parrot]

Wait u did nm? Not hm?

[gleaming pendant]

I don't have ilvl

not f2p god gamer

like you

[supple parrot]

[gleaming pendant]

[cedar zealot]

Ain't no way you don't at least have a few 1630+

[gleaming pendant]

My name not feedie

[cedar zealot]

That's why I didn't expect you to have 6x 1630

[wind dagger]

[cedar zealot]

1-2 is reasonable

[wind dagger]

rmt no lifers with their 6x 1630

[cedar zealot]

Anyways jokes aside

[swift tree]

All the discord subs going to Gravvy, not Kae, no $ to tap.

[cedar zealot]

I'm feeling excited for summer Loa fest

I wanna see what they cooking

Give me entropy changes

[wind dagger]

[thorn sluice]

Why, entropy is fun already

[cedar zealot]

3rd awakening too

[thorn sluice]

No need changes

[cedar zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/back-attack-lost-ark-ambush-master-gif-27319888

[thorn sluice]

That’s only g1 ivory

[cedar zealot]

It's fun when I have a good GL in pt, it's not fun when all 3 dps in the group are entropy

[thorn sluice]

For now

[cedar zealot]

So the boss keeps rotating

[gleaming pendant]

I decided not to push also

cause doing HM is

painful in thaemine

and need a group

[cedar zealot]

Yeah, even if you do clear, imagine having to do it every week as hw

[thorn sluice]

But you play easiest entropy classes, I remember 🫵

One is slayer , forgot the others

[wide ore]

think the game is lagging a bit

[thorn sluice]

Scrapper?

[cedar zealot]

Tai, control and predator are the best entropy builds

[midnight marlin]

who got pedro

[gleaming pendant]

ikr

[cedar zealot]

My game been lagging since weekly reset, never happened before

[thorn sluice]

Go play EW and tell me

[gleaming pendant]

doing nm g3 already a pain ngl

[cedar zealot]

I went with the more fun spec - pistoleer

Zdps but fun

[thorn sluice]

[swift tree]

can't wait to fk around in solo raids on a pistoleer

[wide ore]

same

[cedar zealot]

I hope they don't forget about yearning and mana buffs for solo raids

[swift tree]

Yearning is getting changed with the class overhaul as well

[cedar zealot]

Oh wow

[swift tree]

Not removed like Entropy but adjusted so Supports aren't pigeonholed

[cedar zealot]

So now I can continue enjoying the game even if the sup dies early

[wide ore]

they been standing still for a bit now ._.

[swift tree]

When the whole game's meta became playing around Yearning lvl 3's move speed bonus, that must have been a red flag for them

Chaos Dungeons have been crashing around reset time

Not sure if it's anti-bot measures or just them becoming unstable

[uneven mortar]

i was gonna go into voldis with gs and db

but im too worried

lol

[wind dagger]

chaos dungeon crashing?

[uneven mortar]

cuz they dont have full 10 or mayhem shadows

:dedge

[wind dagger]

[uneven mortar]

i dont want tog et jailed man

[wide ore]

thanks game ._.

[wind dagger]

ur welcome

ty for your generous fundings

[swift tree]

https://tenor.com/view/critical-mission-failure-mission-failure-shepherd-mass-effect-gif-10817105

[uneven mortar]

its crazxy

im getting jailed cuz im not pushing ilvl anymore

f2p beacon of hope getting gatekept

[kind lotus]

Good morning

[hidden jay]

no u

[wind dagger]

[cedar zealot]

in what content

[uneven mortar]

voldis and akkan

[cedar zealot]

1600s will get gatekep to towe nm and akkan hm

[supple parrot]

[uneven mortar]

fuck this shit got absolutely nothing

elixir cutting is so shit

[swift tree]

from what?

ah

Got a 3/3 that tapped resource at 5%,
would have been a 4/4

[midnight light]

The Ultimate Slayer Infoset

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Slayer Community Guide

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[gleaming pendant]

I would like to be

[gleaming pendant]

so is your r Smth smth solved yet?

just reinstall the app

[hidden jay]

No, no one replied so I deleted it

[gleaming pendant]

did you try

reinstalling?

[keen copper]

[gleaming pendant]

like uninstall then install again

[hidden jay]

I think so yea

[gleaming pendant]

maybe broken files

[hidden jay]

I can try again

[gleaming pendant]

just uninstall

then delete everything in the folder

then fresh install

[stark thicket]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1124033504435523704.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[keen copper]

@midnight marlin u got that lil bro

[thorn sluice]

Also why there isn’t rehearsal for thaemine , it’s the only raid they should add there but there isn’t

[swift tree]

Normal mode is the rehearsal for HM

[thorn sluice]

They ain’t doing 1 thing good

[swift tree]

HM version of HM is First

[thorn sluice]

There is akkan

Akkan rehersal

Why would you not add an harder raid

[midnight marlin]

dude

where is the fourth clash

[swift tree]

the 4th clash in that practice mode or?

[midnight marlin]

im probably not gonna be clashing but its nice to know

[keen copper]

here u go

[midnight marlin]

in practice

[keen copper]

[midnight marlin]

where is the intersct

[keen copper]

its behind him

[swift tree]

behind

[midnight marlin]

what the fuck is that

aight

[swift tree]

Everyone stacks behind him and clash at that part of the fight

iirc

[midnight marlin]

3?

[swift tree]

the 4th clash