#lost-ark-discussions

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buoyant wagon
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it's only a problem when raiding is the only path to progress

vagrant cradle
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solo raids should definitely help though unless they completely fuck up the rewards and make it worthless

high fog
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i mean the current state of raids doesnt really fit too many folks

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but i dont think solo raids necessarily gonna like change that tbh

cedar zealot
buoyant wagon
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raids are too easy for people above average at the game

vagrant cradle
buoyant wagon
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and too hard for people below average at the game

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that's the dilemma this game has

vagrant cradle
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i mean i dont think most raids are hard, people just dont want to learn

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and want a literal trixion dummy like other games essentially have

buoyant wagon
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and the only challenging raids either have nonexistent rewards or extremely high entry requirements

weak sedge
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Man honing alts so expensive

keen copper
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they think tht mech is fucking crazy

buoyant wagon
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people have shit reflexes

bitter lichen
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isnt that what solo raids will be for Weirdga

buoyant wagon
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arpg style combat is inherently less intuitive than tab target follow scripted rotation combat

high fog
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whats solo raid gonna solve

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its either gonna be piss easy with 0 rewards

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or like just as hard with 0 rewards

bitter lichen
vagrant cradle
buoyant wagon
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it lets people who'd otherwise be gatekept still do progression content

vagrant cradle
keen copper
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cant wait for people to say solo raids need to be nerfed because theyre too hard

high fog
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its just going to bring people up to like what voldis

weak sedge
buoyant wagon
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roster 70 mokoko who would otherwise take 4 hours to organize a learning party can just immediately jump into solo content to progress

high fog
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then they gonna get gatekept to shit or just perma floor because theyve never talked to another human being in their lives

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and theres actually a mechanic or two where typing to your teammates actually helps

supple parrot
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Most ppl couldn’t even do prokel shruge

bitter lichen
buoyant wagon
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the alternative is those players dont even make it to modern content

weak sedge
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Some people can't even lantern

buoyant wagon
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and just quit very early on

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because they can't progress at all

high fog
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they already get like handed everything they need to get to the 2nd newest raid

buoyant wagon
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not surprising the developers would want such players to potentially stay longer and be able to do some progression

high fog
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without stepping foot into one

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:d

vagrant cradle
bitter lichen
high fog
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the newest pass

bitter lichen
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go outside

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enough internet

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For u

high fog
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you could go to 1580 without raiding whatsoever

weak sedge
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Also had someone die 3 times in 30 seconds today on monkey

vagrant cradle
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yeah that's wild

buoyant wagon
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how are you getting to 1580

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without raiding

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you still need gold to hone lol

vagrant cradle
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but thankfully hanumatan is mostly pretty good in matchmaking now

high fog
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you dont need to raid to get gold

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though it is quite a bit slower

bitter lichen
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ok

vagrant cradle
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lifeskill enjoyer

dull obsidian
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@urban obsidian "Support" Camille is good

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weak sedge
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Yeah it's that one mm has been the worst but it just shows that mokokos aren't taking time to learn before doing stuff

buoyant wagon
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what's exactly the argument anyways

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that the new player experience is fine becaue express gives you an easy 1580?

high fog
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if itis a new guys first char you prob get more gold from weekly shit than the first 2 gold earning raids anyways tbh

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they do get to experience a modern raid nowadays

buoyant wagon
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and

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how exactly do they get into the raid

high fog
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how are they going to get into the raid with solo

bitter lichen
buoyant wagon
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they can actually progress solo?

bitter lichen
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they wont need to Weirdga

buoyant wagon
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get mats and possibly gold depending on how they implement it

high fog
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solo isnt every raid its only up to akkan as announced iirc

bitter lichen
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voldis

vagrant cradle
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up to voldis

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is what was said

high fog
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is voldis going to be made solo?

buoyant wagon
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yes

high fog
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thought voldis was the raid ithat wasnt solo

weak sedge
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Should've just been to brel and maybe kayangel normal

buoyant wagon
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voldis is old content

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it's not even a gold earning raid now if you are 1640+

vagrant cradle
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cant wait to see how solo mode actually ends up and the new awakening stuff in summer

high fog
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i mean for kr yea its been a while

feral rapids
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Hi, new here, solo raids?

high fog
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but then you cant really make the argument for solo raids bringing people into modern raids because voldis for them is not

buoyant wagon
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the purpose is to let new players have an accessible progression path into endgame content

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at the very least up to akkan needs to be soloable

feral rapids
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yes dude, finaly i love the idea of solo raids!

buoyant wagon
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voldis also makes sense because it's a very large power boost behind elixirs

high fog
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then they get dropped into thaemine and are just like

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entirely exactly at the spot they are now

buoyant wagon
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normal thaemine is piss easy

high fog
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normal brel is piss easy

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doesnt stop people XD

buoyant wagon
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also the entire point is they can actually progress at the start

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they cant progress if they cant make it past gate 0 of party finder

feral rapids
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Uhmm, as somebody who didnt do any raid after Valtan, i´d rather have 1 inacessible raid, than all of them

high fog
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and how exactly are they making it past gate 0 of thaemine

buoyant wagon
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people love making straw mans about pretending to care about how new players would eventually get stuck when the handouts stop, when solo raids aren't available

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except they'll never actually offer to take mokokos in their lobbies or teach them

feral rapids
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True, i dont agree with Albeiro there

dull obsidian
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Brel is a pretty hard raid for new players though

buoyant wagon
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because by the time they do enough solo content to meet nm thaemine requirements, their roster and gear would hopefully be reasonably enough

high fog
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theyd be better off spending their time on making a raid new folk can actually get into then

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i dont think thaemine normal is going to be any easier for new players tbh

dull obsidian
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normal thaemine 1-2 is easily doable

buoyant wagon
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1620s with 40 set elixirs faceroll normal

feral rapids
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This is my point of view, so i will preffer it much more to be able to Solo a raid and learn it on my own, even if that means spending several hours in it, than clear it in an hour, listening to people complaining about my boomer brain not being able to understand a tactic in record time

high fog
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nowadays brel 1-2 dont really have mechanics anymore

vagrant cradle
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yeah im curious to know how easy normal 1-2 is on item level

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because i have some rat 1610s ngl

dull obsidian
buoyant wagon
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extremely easy

vagrant cradle
dull obsidian
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and its post nerf

buoyant wagon
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very doable with no 35 set elixir and level 7 to 8 gems

vagrant cradle
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wow

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that's nice

feral rapids
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I agree with Abeiro there that the raids shouldnt be as complicated as they are, raids should be a fun weekly activity and not cause people to get anxiety every time they join

high fog
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ive been told for a decent group 1-3 is about a 4 hour prog

dull obsidian
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g3 and g4 is where the hard part is because its an omega endurance fight during prog

vagrant cradle
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wait so my 1625 sorc is going to smash normal thaemine until i hone up to hard

high fog
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there should be difficulties that actually matter in raids

tulip charm
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Ez game ez raid, said every reddit raider

buoyant wagon
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anyways the entire point of solo content is so that new players can actually play the game and progress for a reasonable amount of time from the get go

high fog
brazen cave
high fog
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rn both sides are just running the same middling raid which works for only the middle

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its in maint irn

feral rapids
tulip charm
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I am not 100% sure on this but someone said thaemine already been nerfed in kr, the normal and hm variant, but idk if the version we get is their current

buoyant wagon
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hard mode giving only more of the same mats is how you get the top end of players complaining they dont get anything rewarding

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we get the nerfed version

dull obsidian
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the first has unnerfed 3-4 if you want to do that after finishing hard

high fog
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tbh a system where theres a base raid and modifiers you can take to increase rewards for more mechs n stuff and harder raid would be nice

buoyant wagon
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when gear progression at the top end costs so absurdly much

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merely taking on a few thousand extra gold to hard mode does not make it feel very rewarding

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and that's how you end up with player complaints which result in ivory nm/hm disparity

oak owl
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Does anyone know if the season 3 legendary skins that have been released in KR use the same cloth currency to roll as what we have now in global? Or did they release a new type of cloth for s3?

keen copper
feral rapids
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Well thats more of a M+ WoW system, and i can already tell you that its only fun for 10% of the people, thats why blizzard nefed it in S3, and look at that, more players doing m+ now more than ever in WoW history

high fog
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nerfing raid makes it more accessable for more people but makes it a worse experience for folks who already run it

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its always a trade off

buoyant wagon
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?

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nerfing homework raids has been far better of an experience

feral rapids
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Thats why Inferno Dificulty should also stay, be repeatable, and only reward cosmetics

cedar zealot
buoyant wagon
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nobody misses the days of where you had to hold dps for brel g6

vagrant cradle
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i cant tell you how great of a change it was that you dont have to wait for yellow meteors anymore

high fog
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id make the argument that inferno difficulty should stay, be repeatable, and reward actual stuff

vagrant cradle
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literally the best change ever

midnight marlin
buoyant wagon
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if anything SG doesnt nerf old content quick or often enough

midnight marlin
high fog
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holding dps for g6 i wouldnt really argue is a nerf

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more just qol

feral rapids
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I disagree @high fog , if you do something like that people will be forced to do it to stay relevant, which is almost always a bad idea, people get burned out very fast by doing something they dont like

high fog
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something like changing clown saws or like the vykas colors

buoyant wagon
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equalized content inferno will never give any rewards beyond cosmetics because it costs nothing to enter

vagrant cradle
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dude those saws still hurt

high fog
buoyant wagon
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developers aren't going to attach progression rewards to equalized content that only a single digit of the population can do

high fog
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and yet people are running the normal mode just fine nowadays

vagrant cradle
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one of them did 140k to my 1610 se

buoyant wagon
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clown should have been nerfed ages ago

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china nerfing it on release was probably one of the smartest decisions tencent made

high fog
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youd be surprised how uhh few people actually bother running brel hard for the pittance of extra loot

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and how little it matters for staying relevant

buoyant wagon
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???

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brel hard is still one of the most popular raids

vagrant cradle
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probably means just g4 now

high fog
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theres always way way more nm lobbies

buoyant wagon
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g4 is still extremely common

vagrant cradle
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or just the raid in general?

high fog
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and those people keep up just fine

feral rapids
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@high fog All of my Friends, Guild and people i knew played the game and myself Quit the game after Brel came out and we werent able to form a good group to clear the raid, because everybody, including me said that Brel was too hard and too long

buoyant wagon
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and pretty reliable to pug

vagrant cradle
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because i totally see tons of people doing g4 norm instead of hard

keen copper
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people just need to git gud shruge

urban obsidian
buoyant wagon
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g4 hard pugs are fine as long as you dont do it the day before reset

urban obsidian
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I’ve had decent last day pugs recently

buoyant wagon
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people are so overgeared now that as long as they dont misplace meteors, you can be down like 4 people and still clear

urban obsidian
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Some of my best IT runs have been on Tuesdays actually

vagrant cradle
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yeah most of the time they probably are, but for 500 more gold, for me personally, it's not worth it

high fog
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like you dont need to do the highest rewarding raid every week to stay relevant in this game tbh

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just because its there does not mean that it needs to be for you

feral rapids
dull obsidian
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@urban obsidian

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we running it

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YARVEN SUPPORT

urban obsidian
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It doesn’t need to be fun for everyone

keen copper
buoyant wagon
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the game pushes you to do the highest content

midnight marlin
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spoon fed

buoyant wagon
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because it locks progression systems behind it

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whether it be elixirs from voldis, transcendence from thaemine/behemoth, advanced honing from echidna

high fog
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so dont make it. just add extra mats or gold instead of higher tier armor stuff

keen copper
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personally, if something is a roadblock of ur skill, maybe you should try to improve yourself instead of giving up imo shruge

woven sluice
feral rapids
# urban obsidian I find it fun?

Well you can go and do Inferno mode and have your fun, but why do i have to be stressed out by just wanting to expirience normal raids?

vagrant cradle
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yeah i find the current difficulty of the raids we have to be just fine

urban obsidian
vagrant cradle
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need to learn how to do it of course, but it's not bad

buoyant wagon
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except if you refuse to participate in the latest content

vagrant cradle
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now hard thaemine, i might completely hate it

buoyant wagon
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you get gatekept by the time you get there and all parties are reclear + must have x system done

keen copper
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so its not stressful

urban obsidian
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^

keen copper
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u have the time to play? therefor u have the time to improve

buoyant wagon
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like if you hone to 1630, decide you will never do hm thaemine

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then try to do hm echidna without later transcendence stages

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good luck finding a party lol

midnight marlin
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comparing the normal and hard modes to inferno difficulty is

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not even close

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?

urban obsidian
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Yeh it is

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Unless ur talking about brel

abstract tree
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in my experience you just need a roster that is wide enough for you to do the content multiple times a week to get better at it

high fog
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like they really should have just made normal hard and harder

urban obsidian
high fog
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where hard and harder reward the same mats but harder just gives more gold n stuff

urban obsidian
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I’ve had one char at end game content for ages and i do just fine

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Ur coping if you think you need 6 chars to improve

high fog
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while normal is designed for learning rather than being an alternative raid with different stuff

buoyant wagon
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there should be a difficulty after hard that isn't inferno, i agree

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and a difficulty below normal

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that would have solved the need for solo raids

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and added challenging content that isn't inferno

urban obsidian
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This would split the population too thin

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If there was too many difficulties

buoyant wagon
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oh wait i miswrote

woven sluice
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A few raids have had a level below normal

buoyant wagon
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i meant to nerf normal even more

urban obsidian
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You’d be basically forced into the difficulty everyone else decided to do

buoyant wagon
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make hard mode the new normal

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then add extreme

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3 difficulties in total

high fog
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tbh its also kinda dumb that

urban obsidian
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I still disagree kind of

high fog
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were running a raid 50 ilvls down

urban obsidian
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But

high fog
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as a gold earner rn

midnight marlin
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so make normal into rehearsal but nm rewards?

dull obsidian
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come

urban obsidian
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I’m watching a movie

feral rapids
# keen copper then improve at the game?

Try to look at things from my perspective, i started back on Trixion, i was one of the earliest players in T3, where you would see only like 15 people in punika at most, Trixion had a 24k people que, i switched to EU West when it released, got to T3 roster level 104, server died and i had to go back to Central, which now means im way behind everybody else, people had a lot more gear and raid exp, i didnt get invited into a single group because i didnt had Engravings, gems, Roster level and cards, and when i managed to get into the raid i was expected to know every single mechanic from Valtan and Vykass, so yes i suck at the game because i didnt have the time to learn them in the first place

urban obsidian
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Rip bozo

buoyant wagon
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normal should have been a LFR tier difficulty from the start

midnight marlin
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hit im with the i aint reading allat

urban obsidian
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Yap yap

abstract tree
urban obsidian
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Idk I read the first sentence and got bored

keen copper
feral rapids
high fog
urban obsidian
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Good to know

midnight marlin
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tldr swapped servers and said no exp because gatekeep

urban obsidian
vagrant cradle
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i would run hard ivory on all my characters if i could hone all my alts to 1620 except it costs too much

swift tree
keen copper
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wait so bro was "some of the first to hit t3" and never did valtan and vykas?

high fog
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its onlyl suffering if you view difficulty as suffering

keen copper
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also, ur fault for swapping servers ngl shruge

urban obsidian
feral rapids
high fog
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youd be surprised how many people enjoy difficult raids

keen copper
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i knew people who played on west until the merges

urban obsidian
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Is that you need to make the newer raids “easier” too

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Bc they won’t develop the skills needed for current difficulty raids

high fog
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and how mind numbingly boring running easy raids on repeat is

urban obsidian
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If they just nerf early ones

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So then they need to continue nerfing

ancient talon
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no the game just needs to allow people to train the mechanics themselves without fucking 3+ other people in a party

vagrant cradle
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progging new raids when they're "hard" still is what's fun for me

urban obsidian
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And continue nerfing

vagrant cradle
urban obsidian
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And continue nerfing

buoyant wagon
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lets not pretend any of the nerfed old raids

swift tree
neon cedar
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I thought I opened general chat pepeW

urban obsidian
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Until the game is a slug fest

buoyant wagon
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were difficult by the point they got nerfed for experienced players

urban obsidian
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If they get nerfed to the ground

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New players won’t develop skills needed

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For current raids

charred void
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amazon where server

buoyant wagon
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people already dont fucking develop the skills needed

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you see 2m dps bots in akkan

swift tree
buoyant wagon
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there's nothing you can do about it

stark thicket
high fog
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yea because they never ran into the clown wall

vagrant cradle
keen copper
vagrant cradle
high fog
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where they needed to actually kinda sorta learn what they were doing just a little bit

swift tree
buoyant wagon
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you can be completely shit at the game and get carried through pugs by juicers and nobody can tell until you int a run or they have meter on

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this is the case for every raiding mmo

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and isn't an argument against nerfing old content

ancient talon
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raids dont need nerfs

lime dove
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Buff transformation classes

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No more transformation class bullying

swift tree
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Nerfing Old content has more to do with content pacing than any perceived "Oh but bad players" and always has been.

tulip charm
ancient talon
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they just need a practice mode. or people themselves to stop being so lazy

urban obsidian
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Transformation classes are fine rn

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They need 2 gems

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Wah wah wah

lime dove
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Weirdga blade?

high fog
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they really arent

tulip charm
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What other validation does one need

lime dove
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Isnt blade 1 gem

urban obsidian
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2 lvl 10s is less then 11 lvl 9s

swift lava
urban obsidian
high fog
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if they make a transform class do as much as a decently strong dps with full 8s ill be happy mizu

vagrant cradle
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nerf/delete ivory g2 im tired of my hp evaporating

lime dove
swift tree
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6 gate raid at middle of Tier 3 is clunky. No other way to describe it tbh.

buoyant wagon
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a significant number of players dont play for self improvement or practice

high fog
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rn you can prob beat a double 10d sh with 7s

still lintel
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Increased gem gain when

high fog
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lol

buoyant wagon
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you wont ever fix this in any game

lime dove
swift lava
vagrant cradle
buoyant wagon
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since those players inevitably exist in your game and make up a sizable portion of the population

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at some point you have to nerf the content for them

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as well as new players being onboarded

kind lotus
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@fresh flint hi

feral rapids
high fog
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i mean the nerfed raids dont really work for onboarding newer players

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we see that happening right now

urban obsidian
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It does mean something mokokoThumbsup

keen copper
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being good at a game does mean something, as long as its not lost ark shruge

urban obsidian
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I’m not complaining rn

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You are

keen copper
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ive made money off competing in games shruge

urban obsidian
swift tree
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And when a whole stretch of raid-only content that is mandatory for a character to progress becomes abandoned, you adjust it to be either soloable or build an alternative progression path. In this case the middle-ground is solo KLC.

midnight lightBOT
feral rapids
swift tree
high fog
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or you could like leave the difficulty alone and work on ways to get new players to a level of understanding needed to tackle them

buoyant wagon
charred void
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casuals are not raiding for the difficulty, they do for the gold to buy coomer skins to rp in their strongholds

neon cedar
vagrant cradle
urban obsidian
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Go play bdo then Weirdga

swift tree
buoyant wagon
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and supports being essentially mandatory means that unless you find other new players playing support who want to prog with you

kind lotus
high fog
buoyant wagon
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you're not going to get any supports joining your mokoko lobby

midnight marlin
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why must it even mean something

dull obsidian
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@urban obsidian

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swift tree
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Solo Valtan looks like it's going to teach Orb taking and Stagger.

dull obsidian
swift tree
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Which is at least something

kind lotus
woven sluice
buoyant wagon
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people out here really pretending that if they somehow added practice modes that would make mokokos knowledgeable

woven sluice
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new players play support too

buoyant wagon
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they'd take them over some roster 250 los30 player

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that's always been the crux of the issue when it comes to why solo raids/alternate progression paths are needed

urban obsidian
cedar zealot
urban obsidian
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But the ratio of support:dps isn’t good

vagrant cradle
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agreed

swift tree
# high fog yes i agree and thats not a good thing

tbh Solo KLCs with cut down mechs are probably the awkward middle-ground.
Have cut back raids that get new players a foot in the door to actually learn mechanics, prevents a 1620 from passing mechanics for them, whilst also giving players are way to progress that doesn't rely on events, busses or player philanthropy.

vagrant cradle
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low-key trash gate

urban obsidian
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G2 is just a parse gate

woven sluice
high fog
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as if they would anyways, getting new players more info would hopefully potentially get them to a level where they wouldnt need said roster 250 los30 player to haul 5 of them past the finish line

buoyant wagon
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and

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where are they getting supports to join their lobbies

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they're even losing out on potential fellow mokokos joining because if said mokokos have geared friends to carry them

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it takes away from the pool of mokokos willing to prog together

urban obsidian
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Not even that

high fog
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said fellow mokokos wouldnt be joining those lobbies anyways

urban obsidian
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They’re losing out on mokokos bc other mokokos don’t even wanna play with each other

swift tree
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They just join and then get mad.

buoyant wagon
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can you blame them

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nobody wants to learn old outdated content

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its every game

vagrant cradle
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yes

feral rapids
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Not actually true, i would rather play with another Mokoko than an Elitist 😄

high fog
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they dont wanna learn the new content either dw

keen copper
woven sluice
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Mokokos can be elitist too, don't mokoskrimate

feral rapids
dull obsidian
buoyant wagon
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also, organizing learning parties for old content in this game

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is fucking aids

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it's a miserable experience

swift tree
charred void
buoyant wagon
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well yeah it's essentially impossible to learn in mmos these days without external resources

swift tree
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Other games don't have stagger, WKP, x3, back/front indicators on a 2.5 camera using QWERASDF skills

buoyant wagon
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the game simply does not teach you enough to get good

swift tree
vagrant cradle
feral rapids
buoyant wagon
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not even FF14 with story dungeons guiding you through the most basic raid markers prepares you adequately for the first tier of challenging content

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nor does it teach you how to do a proper rotation

high fog
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instead they have a passive tree the size of the globe and your character becomes incredibly frail to the point of getting deleted on repeat unless you figure out how to layer defensees properly and pick hp nodes

buoyant wagon
zealous lintel
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LFR guys, lfr 🙂

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put that in, done^^

buoyant wagon
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only certain things like stagger/destruction markers carry over from raid to raid

swift tree
fresh flint
swift tree
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Reading

dull obsidian
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What do you mean, the class practice section with the most random of skills isn't enough?!

kind lotus
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@fresh flint

vagrant cradle
fresh flint
dull obsidian
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Dude why is that even in the game

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wtf

buoyant wagon
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there is no way just from reading skills ingame that you will intuitively figure out the correct rotation

dull obsidian
feral rapids
#

At this point i would like to see solo raids for players like myself, and do the group content 10x harder so that people cant progress and i can laugh at them complaining that something is "hard" xD

kind lotus
buoyant wagon
#

or even the right skills to take

#

but this isnt a problem unique to lost ark

still lintel
high fog
#

tbh you prob dont even need to take the right skills to do decent enough damage

dull obsidian
#

yes you do wtf

buoyant wagon
urban obsidian
#

Yes you do what

high fog
#

im sure i could do a fair bit more than clearable on like a slayer

#

if i drop brutal

#

lol

buoyant wagon
#

you can figure out the basic 123 and synergy

charred void
#

you dont take the "story combat leveling" skills with 6 seconds cooldown, you pick all with higher cooldown = better skill

buoyant wagon
#

good luck figuring out the optimal oGCD weaving

urban obsidian
#

Gl doing damage on wind fury aero

#

Without knowing ur supposed to take the 2 skills that have a seperate tripod that gives you a special shield

charred void
#

you read that

#

not hard

urban obsidian
#

Then taking the 4 dmg skills with another special tripod that makes the shield do more dmg

lime dove
high fog
#

like we were clearing raids with checkmate arcana back during clown

charred void
#

wf is literally 12 12 12 12 playstyle

still lintel
high fog
#

surely you dont need the correct skills

urban obsidian
#

Yes bc ppl are smart enough to figure that out

high fog
#

to do enough damage to clear raids

lime dove
buoyant wagon
#

there is no way you are figuring out 90% of the correct rotation or skillset without external guides in a mmo unless you are the literal bleeding edge of the playerbase

kind lotus
#

Ocean clovers

lime dove
high fog
#

ngl i dont know the correct rotation on half of my dpses

lime dove
zealous lintel
buoyant wagon
#

you cant even do it in FF14 and it's a far simpler game skill rotation wise

fresh flint
buoyant wagon
#

incorrectly weaving your oGCDs accounts for much more than a 10% dps loss from the optimal rotation

high fog
#

thats the thing tho

lime dove
#

Doesnt ffxiv have like 40 buttons

high fog
#

lost ark is one of those games

lime dove
midnight marlin
#

tab target

lime dove
#

Like WoW

midnight marlin
#

at least

high fog
#

where you still clear the raid if you are losing 40% dps from optimal

buoyant wagon
#

it has less skills than WoW

lime dove
#

These 40 button gameplay

high fog
#

like someone playing very well, not even optimal, does like double the amount you need to actually finish the raid

charred void
dull obsidian
charred void
#

and that werent "new players"

dull obsidian
#

we were like 1-2m off enrage

#

even with dark rotations

#

back then

vagrant cradle
#

that's wild

dull obsidian
#

pretty sure Tienis was seconds off enraging for us

high fog
#

that means you are within 40% dps from optimal

#

das p good

stark thicket
#

Enrage dn

lime dove
#

Tbf g1 was cancer

#

On ilevel

high fog
#

kaya in general is cancer

#

the damn thing phases way too much

midnight marlin
#

i liked the bird mechs

kind lotus
#

Kayangel is cancer for back attackers

high fog
#

i wanna hit the boss

woven sluice
#

doing 60% of theoretical dps isn't good, but considering how often I see vastly undergeared ppl getting top dmg it's probably not far from reality

midnight marlin
#

but yeah having that shitter fly up was fkd

stark thicket
high fog
#

outside of a few extremely simple classes

#

i dont think even the good players of a class are getting above 75%

#

of theretical

wind dagger
#

Everyone is a math nerd

woven sluice
#

dunno how much class affects it, I think it's mostly about utilizing raid patterns optimally

kind lotus
#

Oh here comes Adriel

stark thicket
#

Ive been watching anime and playing bloons all night.

stark thicket
buoyant wagon
#

theoretical dps is useless anyways in lost ark

#

raids arent trixion

high fog
#

trixion also isnt theoretical dps

woven sluice
#

no, it's great for stupid gatekeeping

buoyant wagon
#

lauriel can decide to go invulnerable 5 times in one pull and 2 times in another

dawn yacht
vagrant cradle
#

yeah we love kayangel right

high fog
#

the theoretical dps you can do is the damage someone playing the raid 100% optimally during the raid would do

#

trixion is th e amount of dps you can do to a stationary target dummy

buoyant wagon
#

.....and how do you know what playing the raid optimally means when the encounter is variable each pull lol

high fog
#

you dont

#

you can make a fairly decent guess though

buoyant wagon
#

then how do you know the theoretical dps

stark thicket
#

You look at your dps meter

woven sluice
#

😮

high fog
#

you dont know the theoretical dps

buoyant wagon
#

then what the fuck is the point of talking about a "theoretical dps" when you can't possibly know it

woven sluice
#

the holy texts can tell you dps but not theoretical dps ceiling for that specific pull

high fog
#

like the closest you could prob get is to like measure the potential damage opportunities and try to optomimse the rotations for each one of them

#

but i dont think anyone is dentge enough to actaully go do that

lime dove
stark thicket
#

You underestimate the elitist players

lime dove
#

How sweaty r ppl tryna be

stark thicket
midnight marlin
#

is trix not theoritical dps

#

is there higher

zealous lintel
#

extrapolate an average raid encounter timer*

high fog
#

you can kinda fake having synergies n stuff but its never really too accurate

buoyant wagon
#

how are you optimizing rotations for specific damage windows again when literally this game is all about hitting buttons constantly (and for positional characters, doing it in position) as opposed to holding them unless you are about to run into DR

woven sluice
#

trix is theoretical dps ceiling, but unless the raid has no mechs and just a stationary boss it's impossible to reach

opal pine
#

If you are a theorycrafter the practical becomes the theory i guess

high fog
#

for a specific pull of a boss encounter there is a specific set of buttons you press that results in the highest possible amount of damage

buoyant wagon
#

maximizing dps in this game is literally being good at pressing everything in the right order, as much as possible, while in the right position for positionals/avoiding interruptions

stark thicket
#

Bet somebody has a personal bigwigs or dbm for loa KEKW

swift tree
buoyant wagon
#

your rotation does not change from encounter to encounter

woven sluice
#

also pattern recognition to know when to dmg/meter/greed and when to not

buoyant wagon
#

surge db doesnt do one rotation for ivory and another for thaemine

high fog
#

your optimal does change based off of how much time you have available though

fresh flint
#

@kind lotus

woven sluice
#

Plenty of characters have fluid rotations though

stark thicket
high fog
#

like if pressing furious claw first lets you fit a second fc in before the boss phases while no other skill would have come off cooldown

#

its technically not optimal generally but in that specific case it was

buoyant wagon
#

that doesnt change the rotation

stark thicket
buoyant wagon
#

that's just common sense for every class about to enter a long dr/invuln phase

stark thicket
high fog
#

you arent understanding

#

if my full cycle of slayer skills takes 7.5 seconds

#

but the boss was vulnerable for 8 seconds

kind lotus
high fog
#

if i use the standard optimal rotation of skills i get 1 cycle in

charred void
high fog
#

if i edit it slightly by moving fc up first

#

it comes up off cooldown and i get to cast it one extra time

#

before the boss phases

buoyant wagon
#

like using piercing gale on wf aero without a shielding skill is ordinarily shit

stark thicket
buoyant wagon
#

but you might as well toss it out when brel finishes exiting shapes and has that 1.5s dps window before she invulns again

high fog
#

thats not the purpose of the above statement

stark thicket
#

BasedStarege meanwhile I am perfectly happy rolling my face on keyboard for dps

high fog
#

the above statement is someone modifying a rotation because they knew that the damage window was exactly long enough where if they used skills out of order they could sneak in a second cast of one of them

stark thicket
fresh flint
kind lotus
quartz turret
#

FeelsGladMan press z and blast away

stark thicket
#

@quartz turret

buoyant wagon
#

none of what was said changes the fact that your rotation doesn't actually change, it's literally just greeding a skill out of order because of DR/invuln

fresh flint
quartz turret
buoyant wagon
#

and then you go back to your regular rotation

#

this is common sense anyways for anyone decent at the game

high fog
#

but that changed the optimal rotation during that damage window

charred void
kind lotus
fresh flint
high fog
#

if someone had perfect information about the bosses patterns

kind lotus
#

Fayten spitting facts as always

#

Such a king

vagrant cradle
quartz turret
#

I mean gacha talk is better than this shit KEKW

stark thicket
quartz turret
high fog
#

the general consensus of optimal rotation does not result in the highest theoretical damage, only the very specific set of skills that would result in th e highest amount of odamage does

#

and those are not necessarily the same

quartz turret
midnight marlin
#

its maint

#

when its maint

full igloo
midnight marlin
#

never check any channels

fresh flint
#

@kind lotus I have a new cologne that literally makes my pussy flaps bark

kind lotus
midnight marlin
#

HUH

vagrant cradle
stark thicket
full igloo
fresh flint
quartz turret
#

I can’t wait for ags to choose some of the most mid emote submissions

stark thicket
bitter lichen
quartz turret
vagrant cradle
full igloo
kind lotus
#

What's the name

bitter lichen
#

Dior sauvage

fresh flint
bitter lichen
#

???

full igloo
charred void
#

and you cant read whats on the package/bottle?

full igloo
fresh flint
#

I’m leaving the house for work

full igloo
fresh flint
#

You gorilla

high fog
#

its a secret special blend

#

only for himself

midnight marlin
#

its called you gorilla

kind lotus
bitter lichen
#

bruh

#

what it smell like

fresh flint
bitter lichen
#

i have bleu de channel rn

fresh flint
midnight marlin
#

why you aint got bruh on

bitter lichen
full igloo
#

Chris just don't admit it

fresh flint
#

Nah bro that shit is nasty

#

Only liquid I want on me is coom

full igloo
#

Fair

fresh flint
kind lotus
#

Fair

bitter lichen
#

ok but i get muted

midnight marlin
#

deserved

kind lotus
#

deserved

full igloo
#

Aha

bitter lichen
#

gay privilge smh

kind lotus
bitter lichen
full igloo
fresh flint
full igloo
midnight marlin
#

go bi

fresh flint
midnight marlin
#

pan, even

#

do not let pans in the kitchen

vagrant cradle
bitter lichen
charred void
bitter lichen
#

if i go black will i ever go back

fresh flint
bitter lichen
midnight marlin
kind lotus
#

CHRIS

vagrant cradle
bitter lichen
#

but i get muted

midnight marlin
#

chris gotta chill

woven sluice
fresh flint
kind lotus
#

True, and don't even get started on synergies. Leading with the highest dmg could very well be bad if party mates haven't had time to apply all their buffs. It's my fav as a supp, ppl throwing their burst the nanosecond a mech ends when they know it takes ~1s to apply the buffs that give them 50% more dmg.

fresh flint
#

Sorry sorry

full igloo
#

Chris always horny

bitter lichen
#

bro brought synergies into the equation

charred void
woven sluice
#

yes, let's get back to lost ark discussions xdxdxdxdxd Weirdga KEKW 🤡

full igloo
kind lotus
vagrant cradle
#

it's relavent when i dont crit

fresh flint
full igloo
bitter lichen
#

aint no way

high fog
bitter lichen
#

brother in christ

high fog
#

:^)

full igloo
woven sluice
vagrant cradle
bitter lichen
fresh flint
high fog
#

I’ve had to sacrifice my crisis evasion to land a courage before

kind lotus
tulip charm
#

Long day, finally heading back

high fog
#

You do what you must for the good of the parse

fresh flint
kind lotus
high fog
#

That’s what it means to be a support gamer

bitter lichen
#

just kiss

fresh flint
vagrant cradle
woven sluice
bitter lichen
fresh flint
#

You say it like I won’t

#

I would make out with all of you right now

woven sluice
#

Obviously tanking shit is supp 101

fresh flint
vagrant cradle
#

i dont consent

kind lotus
#

@full igloo I like this pic you took with Chris in the back

20240408_024044.jpg
vagrant cradle
fresh flint
stiff egret
kind lotus
high fog
#

Predrop harp and sonic vibration before the transition because it lasts one tenth of a second after the transition. Must keep the parse up

woven sluice
fresh flint
high fog
#

Yea but it’s not push immune

#

So it would just get cance

#

XF

woven sluice
#

well I mean heavenly/sonic

#

vs courage

bitter lichen
full igloo
#

Luckily she got her anger on my big bro

#

Always nice to me

vagrant cradle
#

it's okay 90% of pug supports buff late, you get used to it

high fog
#

U threw him under the bus?

vagrant cradle
kind lotus
woven sluice
#

Unlike trixion parse which is the opposite

charred void
high fog
#

Noble supporter

stark thicket
high fog
#

In this economy?

vagrant cradle
#

Noble

kind lotus
full igloo
stark thicket
#

Feel bad for her daughter because her brothers call her sissy

full igloo
stark thicket
woven sluice
#

The tf is proud of noble supporter

frail shard
#

my sister would cut my dick if i ever call her sissy

#

hi wrekk

#

hows sex life

charred void
vagrant cradle
kind lotus
#

Hi EU genes

vagrant cradle
#

i really enjoy playing with paladins

#

so nice

frail shard
#

hi intaque

charred void
kind lotus
#

@fresh flint

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high fog
#

36 36 28

woven sluice
high fog
#

it do be thata way

fresh flint
stark thicket
full igloo
woven sluice
#

Why are you running several infernos

kind lotus
stark thicket
woven sluice
#

Genuine question, I've never bothered with them

fresh flint
#

Well I’m at store now

charred void
kind lotus
high fog
#

had to humble sidereal

#

madge

full igloo
charred void
full igloo
high fog
#

they got fear into hammer

#

lol

charred void
#

????

stark thicket
full igloo
kind lotus
high fog
#

there was a bit of a bizz incident

#

just a little bit

stark thicket
high fog
#

i dont think i kept any of my bard parses tho

fresh flint
kind lotus
#

@fresh flint

high fog
#

had to nuke cuz folder was getting too big 😦

frail shard
#

hi Ken

dawn yacht
kind lotus
#

hi EU genes

fresh flint
full igloo
#

well time to play games for the next 6 hours

fresh flint
full igloo
#

and a bit of work

dawn yacht
kind lotus
#

I woke up in the middle of the night bro

fresh flint
full igloo
dawn yacht
#

so how many na plebs watched the solar eclipse with naked eye ?

frail shard
#

not me

full igloo
#

I have a meeting in 30 min, can't go back to sleep

kind lotus
full igloo
kind lotus
#

Wasting so much water Sandrea

kind lotus
full igloo
woven sluice
charred void
woven sluice
#

still didn't answer my nice question why you're replaying inferno a bunch

#

also 25% is still low

vagrant cradle
#

only 25%

frail shard
vagrant cradle
frail shard
#

i just need kakul to get demon hunter

#

halp me.

supple parrot
delicate sandal
#

can server be up i got some busses to do

charred void
#

clown is easy just join some randoms

frail shard
#

randoms mostly nobrainers

woven sluice
#

are you selling inferno titles?

frail shard
#

do i type it

#

no i didnt

charred void
#

true, premade took like 3 weeks, randoms at 1am about 2-3 hours

kind lotus
#

Oh no Chuan arrived

frail shard
#

ive progged dozen of times

supple parrot
delicate sandal
frail shard
#

i know g1g2g3

supple parrot
frail shard
#

just need it complete

woven sluice
kind lotus
delicate sandal
supple parrot
woven sluice
#

lol

#

why would i?

delicate sandal
#

idk cuz ur asking

tulip charm
woven sluice
#

just tried getting an answer

frail shard
#

Hultis is that guy in a pub that throw glass at your head then run away then start shouting random so you guys fight

high fog
#

its the one with the hand rub

#

idk what its called

woven sluice
tulip charm
charred void
frail shard
#

ikr

#

he bait some question

#

set up gasoline

#

waiting for us to tick flame

#

then he leave the server

charred void
woven sluice
#

can't really blame me, it's just too easy

delicate sandal
#

yea ur easy

woven sluice
#

top

charred void
#

i miss directdmg

woven sluice
#

other favs include "dead game" and the retro "p2w"

frail shard
#

@charred void if you ever make nae char lmk i can set us inferno kakul room

#

theres plenty dps in hell discord

charred void
#

i already have regular clown kill on nae

#

dont need it

frail shard
supple parrot
#

Could go for deathless shruge

frail shard
#

been using atd for too long vykas no longer tempt me

stark thicket
charred void
#

ye, i could shruge

frail shard
#

nah i just need inferno done for demon huntard

supple parrot
#

Eclipse title coming soon. Hell titles are so 2023

tulip charm
frail shard
tulip charm
charred void
#

from the 2-3h nae kill i died once

tulip charm
#

is there 10x thaemine hm clear title and 10x normal title?

frail shard
#

there is zheng

charred void
#

every other reset was from someone else with demon hunter+ title

vagrant cradle
#

oh wow the dps needed for normal thaemine is so low

frail shard
#

Darkness Legion Commander 10x nm

supple parrot
#

The only thaemine title that ppl care about is first mode titles tho

frail shard
#

Darkness Slayer hell complete

tulip charm
#

i will use my music box title until i get it

vagrant cradle
#

only need like 12mil dps from each of your damage dealers for g3

tulip charm
ancient talon
#

is it true The First is going to be around for 4 months?

frail shard
charred void
#

they should give people who drop 3 esther balls also a title

ancient talon
#

how long will the first be around?

supple parrot
vagrant cradle
#

i mean yeah, breaker is ez mode

tulip charm
#

i don't think my group can even attempt it, and thats completely fine

supple parrot
#

Will prob wait until we get transcence mostly done

tulip charm
#

there may be people that want to attempt the content that will branch off to make seperate groups later

vagrant cradle
#

doesnt asura literally get like a 40% dr + giga shield every like 10 seconds or something?

frail shard
#

if any of you nae gamer wanting to do inferno kakul not deathless just clear one, lmk

#

i will hop

supple parrot
#

I mean if u can clear hm without transcendence. Clearing first mode with transcendce is prob not much harder

tulip charm
#

clearing it gave a one time 50k gold and eclipse title i think

midnight marlin
charred void
tulip charm
vagrant cradle
ancient talon
tulip charm
#

4 may not even be doable, at least, not yet

supple parrot
ancient talon
#

6 months is a long fuckin time

supple parrot
#

First mode won’t be that hard once u get full transcendence

cursive ruin
#

i'm ungy

supple parrot
#

The dmg boost is enuf to cover the hp increase from hm to first

vagrant cradle
frail shard
#

there is already group full of people with +8 sidereal weapon in west

supple parrot
#

And mechs are basically the same right

supple parrot
frail shard
#

yes

#

the support is bard

tulip charm
#

everyone is also spamming how ez the raid is for normal thaemine, i want to see if its really that easy or just people blowing hot air

supple parrot
#

There’s 2 sup with Esther 8 on west?

cursive ruin
vagrant cradle
#

i mean the dps required from each dps is quite low

supple parrot
#

No it’s not

vagrant cradle
#

that was referring to the person talking about normal

cursive ruin
#

it's kr bro u never know if someone compensated damage for zdps andies that never got pointed out cuz o meter

supple parrot
#

Well normal mode will be a joke

#

It’s tuned for no elixirs

tulip charm
#

in a pt where everyone is simlar geared to u

ancient talon
#

won't we get echnida honing before the first leaves also?

vagrant cradle
#

g1-2 normal each dps literally needs to only do around 9mil dps

ancient talon
#

is it even worth honing past 1620 with echnidna coming

supple parrot
vagrant cradle
tulip charm
supple parrot
vagrant cradle
ancient talon
supple parrot
#

I mean it depends on how much down time is in the gate

vagrant cradle
#

because eventually, you'll have to hone your armor

supple parrot
tulip charm
#

well, 4 of them is 1621.6, the bard stayed at 1620

ancient talon
#

no i've only been playing for 5 months

supple parrot
tulip charm
#

anybody wanna take some bets?

#

i wanna bet rosey is gonna make 1630 before the raid comes out

ancient talon
#

this was pre double akkan mats so it took me fuckin 2+ months to get akkan gear to hone to 1600

tulip charm
#

he won't let u guys down