lost-ark-discussions

[wintry crypt]

Naur thanks

[full igloo]

Be like Icy and do 69 Slayers

[vivid shuttle]

I have a 4char roster with my main pretty much always kept up to latest content (couldn't make argos, valtan hard and akkan hard, those are the only ones I missed so far)

[wintry crypt]

Other Icy is an animal

[midnight marlin]

didnt make 3 rosters on 3 servers to maximize gold earning? you troll

[wind dagger]

get milliion sidereal drop like zheng, no need for 24 alts

[buoyant wagon]

went from 1 character to 6

i did the reverse

[wintry crypt]

The only advice I trust from him is essay advice for my English class

[fresh flint]

Net and his 4 rosters

[midnight marlin]

fkn net

[fresh flint]

Idk what kinda business he’s running but he’s sus

[full igloo]

for the 1520 thaemine quest, does the quest give mats ?

dunno if I should do the quest on wardancer or aero

[neon cedar]

No, its only the 1 quest

It gives battes items or something lame I think

[full igloo]

alright, I'll just do it with aero then, my wardancer skin is currently bad

[ivory perch]

Fckk missing 5 last cards or selectors for los30 and getting wei from random legendary pack, thats shame

[full igloo]

thanks

[neon cedar]

It also just 1 dungeon, aero is probably an easier trash mob killer

[low nebula]

same bro

[swift tree]

I opened 3 rng legenary packs today and they are all Varkan.

Maxed him out this morning when merchant popped

[ivory perch]

Cant get anything good from the leg rng pack al craps

[low nebula]

also this https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1208567645088129027/1224758195499565127/image.png?ex=661ea7f4&is=660c32f4&hm=216fcf05d33b9410a9b2ec572998428403ceba03123eb364233aa0356722f850&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=337&height=350

[neon cedar]

I want Varkans wtf

[low nebula]

my last week experience

[neon cedar]

My server keeps getting them at 4am when Im working

[ivory perch]

I got two last week for 17k in total

And two weeks ago just one for 17

[steel minnow]

Get the nvidia app and u can play lost ark on pc

On phone i mean

[neon cedar]

Yea like wtf This was literally last night while Im working

[delicate sandal]

bussing wont die cuz ill just look for multiboxers to bus

[ivory perch]

Shiit

[steel minnow]

Bro ur collextion is complete fck u

[low nebula]

its 1 leg card avg per day
you would get what you need in a month.

[steel minnow]

Really?

[ivory perch]

Per week u meant

[neon cedar]

Collection is just the cards in the set. I only have 4 varkans

Finishing a collection is free

[low nebula]

nah last week we got buff

[supple parrot]

if u hone less ppl ur main would be higher

[low nebula]

its actually really big, i had few days 3 legs per day

[ivory perch]

But i got all of them from the merchants all full, i just missing kadan and shandi

[fresh flint]

[neon cedar]

Finish your gems?

[ivory perch]

And i missing 16 of them but got 11 selectors, so missing 5

[fresh flint]

Dey been finished i just needed 1 dmg gem, i have 3 spare now

[neon cedar]

Moving up in the world. Time for 8s and 9s

[fresh flint]

I wanna sell em for gold so bad

[neon cedar]

Dont do it, or youll end up like me with not enough gems

[low nebula]

then you fucked

[low nebula]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1208567645088129027/1221478753092370432/image.png?ex=661bf43c&is=66097f3c&hm=9ea6c0f3b852164f49eb0b62e3c45880e7cb8de96216896b39913e00bdc6aaef&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

last week

[fresh flint]

All of my 6 have 7+...but I guess it is time to start making 8s and 9s huh

[low nebula]

its rigged i tell yo

[bitter lichen]

[buoyant wagon]

it just moves gold from bussers to piloters

for people too lazy to run solos

or somehow too bad to do it

[neon cedar]

Idk, there is a pretty big jump from bussing to piloting

[empty sleet]

gonna be way less ppl willing to give info

[supple parrot]

no it doesnt lol, if ppl cant clear brel at this point, they cant clear solo content either lol

[empty sleet]

for solo content

[vivid shuttle]

I mean people take busses cause it's convenient

[delicate sandal]

we got multiboxers still

[wind dagger]

gonna learn how to cut elixirs, man, what a drag

[buoyant wagon]

then again my perspective is too warped by my experiences on CN

[vivid shuttle]

You can into pf and join a lobby

[buoyant wagon]

where piloting is significantly more common

[cedar zealot]

Solo content will only be upto tower. So in half a year, we go back to bussing

[vivid shuttle]

I really doubt people will go out of their way to seek out pilots

[low nebula]

solo content is really needed for mokokos

[buoyant wagon]

too lazy to do dailies on your 6 characters? pay someone $3 to do them all for you

[neon cedar]

The idea that all these people riding busses are gonna be giving out there account info on the same level, aint no way

[swift tree]

And those that want to but can't get into an on-level run finally get some way to bridge the gap

[buoyant wagon]

yeah probably not in our version

[low nebula]

cos half of the are fucking garbage and ruin experience for good mokokos

[buoyant wagon]

like i said my perspective is too skewed by CN

[robust birch]

In half a year when ags announces that kr didn't get it until year 6

[cedar zealot]

Upto tower

[buoyant wagon]

solo won't kill busses completely anyways

[cedar zealot]

Imo, outside of the current 3 latest raids, everything under should be soloable

[supple parrot]

on ilvl run is fine, ppl are just shit

[buoyant wagon]

lots of ungeared/lazy people out there

[cedar zealot]

All the time

[buoyant wagon]

it'll reduce demand by a fair amount

[swift tree]

Sorry I phrased my bit badly

[buoyant wagon]

but there will still be demand

[robust birch]

Pov: my 1580 lopang with lvl5 gems

[swift tree]

Those doing learning runs that have the capacity to do the raids but bogged down by denteges who are locked out of reclears.

[cedar zealot]

Yep

[swift tree]

trying to say "rice-eaters" without pushing low-key racism.

[midnight marlin]

there was an achievemnt for going through aqua gates 50 times right

[buoyant wagon]

mods arent going to ban you for saying rice eaters

[cedar zealot]

Not every mokoko wants to get carried, some just wanna learn the raid but can't

[neon cedar]

Yes

[cedar zealot]

Cause too many dentge

[swift tree]

100 times when you factor return trip

[neon cedar]

100 loading screen mokokos actually the worst

[swift tree]

From the preview of the solo Valtan, they 100% look like a good bridge for the gap

[supple parrot]

well ya i agree that its a good thing, but ppl saying it will kill bussing is simply wrong

[swift tree]

a BIG problem with raids now is they build upon stuff learnt in previous raids/content

Mechanics in Tower being a mix of older dungeons

[bitter lichen]

it wont, its funny seeing ppl hate on bussing tho

[fallow marlin]

Bussing will never die people still take argos busses but its always good to have options

[low nebula]

some dont want to learn
one ruined my frind teaching runs cos we were at vykas for 30 mins and until i pinpointed it to ONE dude refusing to do any mech with
"you do your stuff im not gonna watch any vids" while actively disregarding hundreds of msges explaining what to do

[supple parrot]

i have not played a single game where bussing isnt a thing

[swift tree]

oh it 100% wont since solo ones likely wont give gold

[buoyant wagon]

solo will have to give gold lol

how else will people hone

[supple parrot]

credit card, killing two birds with one stone

[low nebula]

it can be character bound gold for honing only and it woudl be fine

[supple parrot]

[swift tree]

Fair

[buoyant wagon]

there is no way it's character bound gold

[swift tree]

selling accessories ./s

[cedar zealot]

[buoyant wagon]

if solo isn't for all intents and purposes the same in rewards or mostly the same

it's a bricked mode

[low nebula]

or giving free tap fuses - all the same.

[dawn yacht]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1147690470185648198.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[buoyant wagon]

based off what memo said, the shitshow started when some inven user who also plays on NA posted his meter data

and it created a ton of drama where people started shitting on each other over their classes

[low nebula]

why do you need to get economy gold to solo stuff?
you need experience from raids really, if there is solo akkan with bots which gives no rewards and like training mode
it would actually fix so much problems you cant even imagine
people would just go there and learn patterns

[buoyant wagon]

and it got big enough that SG got wind of it

[wind dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/wind-windy-gif-14972041

[keen copper]

[bitter lichen]

[buoyant wagon]

[neon cedar]

Solo raiding is supposed to be an alternative to group raiding for progression. If solo raiding released gimped witt shit rewards. Than its just another activity. Not an alternative

[buoyant wagon]

cant solo raid forever

need to build your character through the AH

[neon cedar]

If solo raiding doesnt give the same char progression 1:1, like Serenei said, its a bricked mode no one will use

[buoyant wagon]

you running on engraving support forever?

[bitter lichen]

idk about 1;1 but sure

[fresh flint]

[low nebula]

what is supposed to be its what it would be
so tell me plz how is your imagining of "suppose" is better than mine
when clown released, did you folks have training mode, how did affected clown comparing to clown on KR?

[neon cedar]

If you could actually get drops that were useful it might not need to me 1:1. But rn "gearing a char" is 100% just buying a build

[bitter lichen]

pf is deadge then if its 1;1

[low nebula]

if you have unlimited no reward access to solo akkan right now
it would fix a lot of issues
thats my point, they dont need to do much to fix new player experience

[bitter lichen]

basicall lfr in wow

but bettrer

lmao

[buoyant wagon]

and

how would new players get into parties

when people see their roster and gear

[bitter lichen]

they still wont

[buoyant wagon]

[neon cedar]

Brother, I actually dunno what your rambling about here and why its related. Were talking about solo raiding, not 1 year old practice mode

[bitter lichen]

w lvl 100 roster

[midnight marlin]

the problem isnt people not knowing mechs

[supple parrot]

just add a clear raid ticket in f4 shop. who needs solo content

[buoyant wagon]

that roster 50 player could be giga cracked for all i know

[burnt tree]

The problem is lost ark sucks

[midnight marlin]

its not being accepted into parties becasue they dont have any way to prove they know mechs

[buoyant wagon]

but there's a far greater chance he's going to be dead weight

so he's gatekept

[low nebula]

yea but accepting them is not dead weight - you can reasonable expect people to perform average
now newer player CANT EVENT DO ANY MECH AND CANT LEARN IT EITHER

[swift tree]

The one-time entry per week is really fucking dumb tbh

[supple parrot]

toxic

[buoyant wagon]

you still wouldnt take new players lmao

[supple parrot]

[bitter lichen]

[swift tree]

Just don't give rewards

[buoyant wagon]

when there are other applicants

that's what solo content is there for

the people who have raid anxiety and who get gatekept

[neon cedar]

Good thing bus payments are not concidered a reward

[low nebula]

i would accept mokokos if i see title "10 times cleared solo akkan"

[tulip charm]

i can understand why people dont like bussers, but what is this free money? they put in the effort to learn how to do the raid to be more challenging, for people that play the game to not play the game, they are barking up the wrong tree, as long as the later player type exists, there will always be bussers

[low nebula]

so what is your point?

[buoyant wagon]

being able to clear a solo raid also wont completely translate to clearing a party raid

because obviously the solo raid is going to have solo adjusted mechanics

[bitter lichen]

thats the reason i sent it, guy has a personal problem w bussers ig

[buoyant wagon]

e.g. you really think solo akkan g3 will have one person turning every statue?

[swift tree]

Bussers already struggle to organise a full 6+ roster. They're not going to do more raids than they're already doing past gold earners tbh

[buoyant wagon]

said person now goes to 8 man akkan and doesnt know how to turn his assigned spot because it's different from the solo encounter

[full igloo]

I guess they just want people who don't want to truly play the game to just not play the game.
I say fck'em to busser cuz I'm just jealous of their gold income

at least I'm being honest

[low nebula]

being able to clear it in party doesnt translate to being able to clear it with party
or you need a reminder of all vykas and brel 4 you were jailed and leave cos 1580 parties cant not get charmed?

[supple parrot]

they should just make it so solo raid = 7 bots doing group mech with u, u get sup buff and like 6x dmg or something

[swift tree]

From the Valtan example, it'd be easier to translate, assuming to language barrier.

[buoyant wagon]

at least clearing it in a party guarantees it's doing the exact same encounter

[swift tree]

"Oh hey, you know those orbs in solo one? Instead now you just take one and pick a team order"

[buoyant wagon]

you cannot say the same for a solo version

because it has to be scaled down to 1 man

[low nebula]

its not same from run to run due to even rng

[buoyant wagon]

all the major mechanics are the same, the rng only affects normal patterns

[bitter lichen]

its not even getting implemented fpor new players tho if its giving rewards

[swift tree]

Some knowledge vs none is a massive amount of difference

[bitter lichen]

its to stop lobby sim ig

[low nebula]

do you really die at major mech at newer raids?

[buoyant wagon]

if you die to normal patterns constantly, that's a hands issue that nothing will save you from

[bitter lichen]

new playerrs still gonna get gatekep[ts perma

[low nebula]

all new players die at normal patterns

and if you cant get acess to learn it and get used to it

you never learn

NEVER

[bitter lichen]

true

[buoyant wagon]

if you eat them back to back without shields/healing/pots sure

[low nebula]

like ever NEVER

[keen copper]

feel like we hit a special nerve here or something

[bitter lichen]

ever never

[fallow marlin]

What is this debate even about

[low nebula]

its objective truth that people who cant get to g3 akkan would never gate it

[swift tree]

YoU sHouLd HaVe LeArNt BaSiC PaTtErNs fRoM StOrY DuNgEoN.

[low nebula]

until someone ACTUALLY carry them

[bitter lichen]

🤨

wdf

[low nebula]

cos learning is hard as well, there no support to do learning parties

[supple parrot]

wat is this even english

[buoyant wagon]

so far the only raids where normal patterns gib you extremely easily are on ilvl brel g3/g4, voldis g2 (mainly due to that dumb 10% bleed), and perhaps hm voldis g4 on squishier classes on ilvl

[neon cedar]

I just gatekeep and these issues dont become mine

[low nebula]

i was jailed at lfg discord for a month on g3 akkan we couldnt do g1-3
we failed at g3 and cant get another support

[keen copper]

yes

[low nebula]

so tell me that solo dungeon would not fix my issue of not being able to experience normal patterns

you did not experienced the "gatekeeping"
while i did
and all my friends did

and im telling you it feels really bad to NOT BEING ABLE TO DO STUFF

[bitter lichen]

you'll still get gatekept

[neon cedar]

Ya, you guys have never experienced gatekeeping

[swift tree]

Doesn't matter, they still make progress with solo one

[neon cedar]

Smh priveleged vets

[bitter lichen]

if u try to pf

[buoyant wagon]

i mean, the solution is now you can actually progress solo so that gatekeeping isn't that much of an issue lol

[swift tree]

Even if it's not the same degree, there's still progress

[buoyant wagon]

what exactly is the complaint here

[supple parrot]

i litreally have a roster on nae wdym

[buoyant wagon]

that they shouldnt earn gold from solo raids?

[low nebula]

i can go to reclear now and reasonable perform
i couldnt back there - its instantly clear as you eat 5 normal patterns in a row that you imposter

[swift tree]

Funnily enough that's a great example.
Gate 3 of Akkan has some of the easiest patterns to translate to a solo version

[midnight marlin]

how is being able to practice patterns

[swift tree]

And if anyone bitches otherwise they can go fk themselves

[midnight marlin]

going to solve gatekeep

[low nebula]

my point was its not the reward is an issue, its acess
rewards cant be obtained if people can perform

[thorn sluice]

Some people deserve gatekeeping also in solo raids

[delicate sandal]

ive been dropping so many good stones otday

[vivid shuttle]

Because the people who get gatekept are just gonna do it solo

[delicate sandal]

like cursed doll adrenaline 2-3 times

[neon cedar]

Just memeing, broad generalizations because we all get gatekept all the time

[low nebula]

ITS NOT GONNA SOLVE
gatekeep is not solvable in game where everyone is rice eater

[delicate sandal]

now grudge adrenaline

[buoyant wagon]

1. nobody knows if you actually can translate practice to the real raid
2. solo encounters are going to be different from 8 man encounters

[low nebula]

nobody here solving gatekeep

[wind dagger]

ezzz

[low nebula]

devs dont solve gatekeep

[bitter lichen]

remove roster lvl

done

solved gatekeep

[low nebula]

we would find another way

[buoyant wagon]

solo encounters aren't meant to solve gatekeeping, they are meant to bypass gatekeeping

remove roster level and people move to cards

[low nebula]

"join my sh link the x10 pet"

[midnight marlin]

then why is cri crying about gateeep

[buoyant wagon]

and gems

[bitter lichen]

remove card

[thorn sluice]

Most of the veterans will leave

Like me

[bitter lichen]

good

fk u

[thorn sluice]

Ain’t no way I join voldis with mokokos

[swift tree]

culture issue tbh, not solveable overnight, especially with how KR MMOs work as a whole

[bitter lichen]

then go solo

[supple parrot]

gate keeping will always exsist

[buoyant wagon]

you're also going to have people who look at meter data a lot more in g1

[swift tree]

They won't be Mokoko since it falls off at 1540

[delicate sandal]

ok

[supple parrot]

making raids "ez" wont solve gatekeeping, ppl literally gate keep guardians

[buoyant wagon]

and kick significant underperformers or people who are clearly clueless

[supple parrot]

its just human nature

[thorn sluice]

It’s part of the game

[bitter lichen]

weak

[thorn sluice]

Make lvl 9/10 gems and don’t get gatekept

[neon cedar]

Stressin about gatekeeping is like stressin' about a rainy day

[keen copper]

play with others of ur flock, is my belief why cant bad players do the same

[supple parrot]

9/10 gem is standard now

[thorn sluice]

My deadeye has 9 lvl9 gems and he have 0 gatekeep problems

[thorn sluice]

1590

[cursive ruin]

https://www.reddit.com/r/lostarkgame/comments/1bw1l6l/pov_it_is_april_20th_and_you_login_on_eu_server/

[swift tree]

People using dps meter to determine ability to do mechs.

[vivid shuttle]

I can't get into sonavel with my 1585 arti with event gems + lvl 9 gem, klc 18

[swift tree]

[bitter lichen]

[vivid shuttle]

I literally gave up and do matchmake

[thorn sluice]

Matchmake

[neon cedar]

Its amazing how little I feel the issue when I apply to shitter groups in line with my shitter alts. A wipe or 2 isnt ruining my day

[cursive ruin]

that's cuz guardian raid lobbies only want people that are able to do the higher tier guardians

don't bother bozoo

use mm

[delicate sandal]

i was gatekeeping sonavel like 10 min ago

declined like 10 ppl

[thorn sluice]

Gatekeep problem isn’t in guardian raids , only real raids

[buoyant wagon]

If you remove every metric to inspect people’s potential experience/time invested with the game

[vivid shuttle]

Well my akkan normal also took a bit to find

[buoyant wagon]

Yeah they’ll start looking at meter performance a lot more

[neon cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/gatekeep-gif-27665722

[low nebula]

the issue is, not the gatekeep - its just makes you feel little bit bad when you denied
issue is, there no parties for you - cos learning parties is really rare on upper content
and reclear parties without gatekeep is not rare - but you dont want to be an imposter and dotn want to have one
you just want people who can reasonable perform, on avg and clear 1-4 voldis in few pulls, maybe spend little bit more time on g2 or g3 entry ping mech
but everything else would be due to honest mistake, which we all make
and not cos mokoko did it once got carried and dont know shit
solo acess to normal patterns would fix it.

[vivid shuttle]

I think I spent like 30 mins? I mean once I get my akkan pieces it won't be as bad

[thorn sluice]

https://tenor.com/view/gatekeeping-gatekeeper-exclusionist-lgbt-lgbtqia-gif-12696545

[delicate sandal]

i got ppl that r 1600 with 1580 weapon applying

insta deny

[cursive ruin]

Was red a problem? also blue is really cool

[cedar zealot]

at least now people in kr are more aware of how incompetent smg can be

[swift tree]

[cedar zealot]

when it comes to balancing

[vivid shuttle]

Idk that reddit thread is so dented

[cursive ruin]

I as sume being forced tto bring ts is a problem cuz u can't bring atro

[vivid shuttle]

Literally doesn't mention most of the key points

[buoyant wagon]

Timestop is a bad item for raid design

[low nebula]

thats like half of breakers isnt it
or opposite 1610 weapon and no armour

[cursive ruin]

like what

[thorn sluice]

Make groups via discord and you done

There is no problem

[cedar zealot]

its not a problem, but having a raid out for months and people dont know how to resolve a certain gimmick properly without cheesing it, not a good look

[swift tree]

Red just means KR hasn't figured out how to do the mech correctly. Devs aren't saying because of First events on global.

[buoyant wagon]

Because it encourages a lazy solution to solving many mechs

[delicate sandal]

sure or just any road to thaemine character

[buoyant wagon]

Devs want players to solve mechs obviously

[vivid shuttle]

Like the elixir nerf which is way more huge

[thorn sluice]

there is no problem for who is intended to solve that problem

[cursive ruin]

Go on

[delicate sandal]

its also hard to test how to solve it its literally near the end

[burnt tree]

That's all he said no details

[swift tree]

Dies to ground stomp by Sonavel

[cursive ruin]

Wtf are they nerfing

[burnt tree]

Elixirs

[low nebula]

euc learning discord
has one brel 4 learning scheduled
look at wait list
"just do via discord"

[midnight marlin]

people die to sonavel?

[zealous lintel]

gatekeeping will keep exisiting even with solo modes. But at least solo modes let you bypass that gatekeep 🙂

[midnight marlin]

[cursive ruin]

How

Make it cost less

Make it less rng?

[burnt tree]

Probably cost less

[thorn sluice]

Brelshaza don’t need any learning

Voldis does

[delicate sandal]

no the raid will gatekeep u from clear

[cursive ruin]

look at this boomer kicking the ladder behind him

[delicate sandal]

cuz no hands

[ivory perch]

Is it peyto card merchant bound to charcter or rooster?

[mortal burrow]

it's per char

[thorn sluice]

Brelshaza been nerfed 10 times exactly cuz she don’t need learning partys anymore

[zealous lintel]

Solo mode or what do you mean?

[midnight marlin]

wow look at all the people willing to learn

[low nebula]

for sure, just go host one and make title "everyone welcome no gatekeep and accept all on ilvl mokokos"
to prove a point?

[midnight marlin]

just take them wtf

[delicate sandal]

yea solo mode

[thorn sluice]

You read mechs , you do mechs

[ivory perch]

Lol didnt know

[midnight marlin]

fk a teacher

[delicate sandal]

cant clear cuz no hands

[cursive ruin]

guys holy shit

[keen copper]

[cursive ruin]

supports restored my item

[neon cedar]

Looks like a lot of mokokos that should forma group instead of waiting for 1 guy to give them supportive words during the prog

[mortal burrow]

but if you're looking for leg card packs, the chance is literally 0.5%

[thorn sluice]

None asking you to join brelshaza with 1560 DPS character , join with 1600

[mortal burrow]

or something like that

[thorn sluice]

And the mechs are ez

No need learning

[zealous lintel]

True, but then again, those people would quit anyway. With or without solo mode since "no hands". For people acutally having hands but no means to join parties cause lacking roster, cards or gems would clear it.

[burnt tree]

Solo Brelshaza is better

[zealous lintel]

its a good step

[vivid shuttle]

Idk why people are so scared to learn anyways like brel is sich a joke compared to what it used to be

[low nebula]

you told there nothing to learn
arent you?

[swift tree]

Solo shapes mech

[low nebula]

liek i quoted YOU TELLING ME THAT

[bitter lichen]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1147690470185648198.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[buoyant wagon]

This doesn’t work because let’s say 8 mokokos get together and prog to akkan g2 then someone has to go

[burnt tree]

What happens in her DreamWorld stays in the DreamWorld

[buoyant wagon]

Now they’re fucked for the week

[low nebula]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1147690470185648198.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[burnt tree]

If you know what i mean ong

[ivory perch]

Missing 5 last, wanna push it somehow

[buoyant wagon]

Which is why it’s far more preferable to have a teaching party scheduled

[cursive ruin]

they restored this

[bitter lichen]

they just need that dog in them

[thorn sluice]

my bad, if the party is full 1560 there is a lot to learn , but the first thing is that you are stupid if you join brel hm on ilvl

[bitter lichen]

to go in to g3 lobby

dog eat dog

[midnight marlin]

its learning group, expect to not clear

[low nebula]

if the support goes and cant join reschedule - you FUCKED
as i was for a month.

[midnight marlin]

[buoyant wagon]

You missed the point

What if the 6-7 other people who don’t have to go want to keep going

But they are now jailed in g2

[thorn sluice]

brelshaza is a pure farm content now, join with 1580s and you don't have nothing to learn, just read mechs and do them

simple af

[swift tree]

https://tenor.com/view/locking-below-zero-locked-up-were-closed-closing-the-door-gif-20241388

[buoyant wagon]

And since they are all randoms they can’t communicate to reschedule

[zealous lintel]

LFR should have been the solution tho. Dont understand why they cant just take exisiting nm raids and tune them down even fruther

[thorn sluice]

you will place 6 meteors at max

[zealous lintel]

give plumes for 3 extra survives done

[thorn sluice]

what's hard with it?

[neon cedar]

Youre right, but there is also plenty of chance to continue prog. Thats where the actually putting in effort to find a group comes in. Slapping your name on a list of learnings, as far as im concerned, is bare minimum.
Plus if more people could learn to temper their fomo it wouldnt be an issue. To me it seemsperfectly fine to not get a clear week 1

[thorn sluice]

3 top 3 bot

[supple parrot]

try again next week

[bitter lichen]

just looking for replacementa

[supple parrot]

[thorn sluice]

you can also place 1 meteor at mid who cares

[buoyant wagon]

You can toss out “don’t fomo” all you want but the vast majority of any newcomers to an old game don’t want to be stuck on doing old content for a long ass time

You can’t ignore reality

[low nebula]

you do not understand how hard is the game for new player
and how hard is social pressure of new player in raid inviroment
and how different speed of people actually learning

you know nothing, you have nothing to add just "just do it lol"

[bitter lichen]

so nerf raid fatiuge

[supple parrot]

mentality issue look at the revyll guy on youtube, dude learned all the raids fine

[buoyant wagon]

Also they can’t progress without completing said content

It’s not like ff14 where you can gear up without raiding

[low nebula]

totaly not a streamer, totally not professional gamer, totaly not a abridged cut version of him doing raids
just avg joe

[wary pecan]

if you come and use the express only raid you cannot progress without is Akkan

[buoyant wagon]

If someone can’t progress because they can’t find 7 other mokokos to prog and clear with or a teaching party

The game design has failed

[thorn sluice]

bruh, they giving free cards everywhere, they giving free gems every where, none is asking you to do brelshaza onilvl cuz they literally gift you the brelshaza equipment, you just have to hone and join brelshaza as a farm content on 1580+, even if you make full mokoko lobby, they can clear, if they don't they didn't read any mech

[keen copper]

bro is a giga baby streamer, dude is a d2 player first and formost, literally has a day job

[buoyant wagon]

Which is why they’re adding solo content

[supple parrot]

i mean dude is literally complete new to the game, and no one knew who he was when he started

[wary pecan]

They can, they are just too fucking anxious or don't want to put any effort

[buoyant wagon]

There’s nothing wrong with raid anxiety

[neon cedar]

Then maybe this game isnt for them. Nothing about this game is designed to be instant gratification outside of swiping a credit card.
You have to be able to set realistic expectations for what they can do. If you want to do more, put in more work and accept that sometimes everything isnt sunshine and raibows and things may not work out

[bitter lichen]

yes there is pussy

man up

[buoyant wagon]

Even putting in effort not everyone will find a consistent group to prog or learn due to scheduling and other issues

[neon cedar]

If people want ez raid prog in no time, maybe Destiny 2 is a better game for them

[low nebula]

everyone knew who he was after 4th continent video
cos everyone liked watching him do story they hate and getting that vicarious satisfaction

[thorn sluice]

the only raid that need learning atm is voldis, search for learning lobbys and stfu

[zealous lintel]

which is good! would have prefered group play tho. i hope it wont destroy the overall party play. maybe they will get reduced gold for solo. if not, everyone will go solo except for statics

[buoyant wagon]

That’s not for the players to determine

That’s for the developers to determine

[frail lagoon]

Absolutely nothing.

[supple parrot]

thats cap bruh, and the ppl he runs with were always trash, dude was constantly cruel fightering on ilvl

[neon cedar]

The devs said, take your lumps and put in the grind

[tulip charm]

my expectation is ima use this new express pass thingy they just gave us, and in 1 week i will be ready to raid thaemine hm on all 6 characters and have all lv11 gems and be a god gamer, maybe 1 week isn't enough, but by the 2nd week i should be able to do it. oh, i want +26 weapons on all my characters also

[buoyant wagon]

And the developers see that it’s healthier to add solo content so people with raid anxiety or gatekeeping issues can now progress still

[tulip charm]

if i can't get that in 2 weeks this game is sht

[frail lagoon]

What are we talking about?

[neon cedar]

nonsense and bs

[frail lagoon]

Care to elaborate?

[swift tree]

Everyone yelling the same talking points at each other, but because of game/hustle/cultural differences they're mad at the labels and points of reference being used.

[low nebula]

but they were dedicated people, even if his cuts you can see same people
and thats problematic for newer player
or you think "not being able to clear as NOT BEING ABLE TO FIND +1" as newer player is acceptable
for a month?
What kind of game is this, which you dont get to play at all.

[bitter lichen]

NO STOP THE GATEKEEP

[wary pecan]

The only thing I am afraid of is adding solo content will hurt party content so much

[neon cedar]

Meangingfull nonsene and bs that has a very real impact on the players and game but is very far beyond any of our scope and likely is unsolvable issues. But talking about it is better than ignoring it

[buoyant wagon]

The people doing solo content aren’t the ones you are regularly partying with

[frail lagoon]

Right

[buoyant wagon]

They’re the people too afraid to raid, people buying busses, and people getting gatekept

Basically this only really affects bussers

[bitter lichen]

and genuine alts

[frail lagoon]

Hm?

[buoyant wagon]

And that’s not a real point of concern

[bold aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/nepunator-cat-happy-sunset-gif-15687953810101576364

[frail lagoon]

Some update that hurts bussing?

I'm all for it

[swift tree]

Or people running alts on lower KLC because they still dont have cards

[wary pecan]

People are getting gatekept because their character/roster/gear is shit, not because they are anxious lol

[neon cedar]

Reality is, most people will do both solo & group raiding

[buoyant wagon]

Raid anxiety self segregates people

It’s separate from gatekeeping

[frail lagoon]

I'll never understand gatekeeping over roster level.

[swift tree]

Raid Anxious people are the ones who usually int a run most

[frail lagoon]

And refuse to learn.

[keen copper]

do you wanna take a roster lvl 20 to ur akkan?

[zealous lintel]

I hope so too. I am all for new player choices but hopefully it wont destroy the overall PF. But then again as serenei mentioned, most people chosing solo mode are not playing with the overall crowd anyway

[swift tree]

Coming from guild-wide experience from both sides

[low nebula]

gatekeeping doesnt matter - again
what matters is acess to content, if EVERYONE gatekeeps experience
there no where to get epxerience - thats problem
not getting into juicer party is not, there would avg joe party and you can get there.

[buoyant wagon]

They can run solo version if they have to, but having KLC 12 is not why you are perma gatekept from kayangel

[frail lagoon]

I had someone who died to guns and hearts in Clown 5 times in a row

Even though we explained what they need to do

[neon cedar]

There was a dev stream in KR. Touched on a couple things. Solo raiding as an alternative to progressing your char is a topic that will be added soon enough. So people are arguing the pros and cons and how it will effect overall progression for indivduals, like bus riders who no longer feel a need to ride

[buoyant wagon]

The rest of your profile has to be bad for that to happen

[wary pecan]

All the fucking gatekept people could just group up together but they don't want to do that because they want their ass carried

[frail lagoon]

I mean, depends.

[supple parrot]

they only do 1 or 2 progging sessions per week new player can clear if they put in the effort is my point. i cleared many raids on jump server when it launched with ppl that are new

[tulip charm]

i can see the future on reddit
thaemine normal group i applied on my 1610 char with all level 7s, memo said in his video you only need lv7s to clear the raid, why no one accept me!!!

[low nebula]

most of you here try to project your "im gatekeep in tower hard cos no support so support host party and they expect me to be decked out"
to "mokoko getting gatekept cos they are garbage and cant do shit"
those are different issuess.

[tulip charm]

game sucks, stop gatekeeping!@!kljsdf

[swift tree]

Who said it was? I'd happily run my 2nd / 3rd page characters on a solo Valtan run. It means I don't have to bus to get them Relic set & I have a chance at maxing out cards I still need. Nothing to do with Kayangel gatekeeping.
Maybe take 2-3 steps back

[frail lagoon]

Also, gatekeeping is getting out of control

[keen copper]

[frail lagoon]

I got gatekept at 1540 from an Argon card run.

[buoyant wagon]

And you can run the solo mode for the same rewards presumably lol

[wary pecan]

X to doubt

[swift tree]

Gear expectations go up when a certain threshold gets easier to reach... yes some of it is shitballs ridiculous but it happens

[midnight marlin]

thats impressive cause argon isnt even a raid

[frail lagoon]

Press X as many times as you want.

[swift tree]

it happens

[frail lagoon]

Exactly.

[midnight marlin]

wooosh

[frail lagoon]

I'm fucking astonished

[supple parrot]

i mean they could be waitin for a friend, getting denied from one group is not gatekept

[steel minnow]

Nooo

[supple parrot]

[frail lagoon]

2/8 people in lobby

[buoyant wagon]

Only in this game are people upset when alternative methods of progression are introduced

[steel minnow]

Collection is +15 card

[supple parrot]

they dont like u

deal with it

[neon cedar]

Do you get "gatekept" in Argos? or do you get denied from 1 or 2 groups and just blame "gatekeeping"

[buoyant wagon]

Because “other people aren’t playing the game the right way”

[vivid shuttle]

It's just people are incredibly dented, people rather wait 2 minutes for the raid being at most 1 minute faster by gatekeeping guardian raids

[steel minnow]

I gatekeep alot and im proud of it

[swift tree]

My brudder, it has happened in every MMO under the fucking sun

[supple parrot]

did u get declined from multiple groups, or 1 group? getting declined from 1 group is not gatekept

[frail lagoon]

3

[fallow marlin]

The classic discord productive discord conversation between an unstoppable force and an immovable object

[supple parrot]

i find that hard to believe

[buoyant wagon]

Most other popular mmos have more than one way to progress your character’s gear

[fallow marlin]

Where nothing gets done

[steel minnow]

The main thing i gatekeep is 5%+ demon dmg

[frail lagoon]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[cursive ruin]

and then u still can't progress because those mokokos aren't actually learning the raid they're just here for a free carry

[swift tree]

People bitched in LOTRO that you could get legendary jewellery from crafting instead of only raids.
So their eventual decision was to split the legendary quality gear across multiple sources so deal with complaints.

[buoyant wagon]

Lost ark is fairly unique in that you can only raid to progress

[wary pecan]

If you don't make any effort and just buy all the raids playing without your gear equipped i can say they AREN't playing the game the right way

[midnight marlin]

only the most productive discussions in these parts

[low nebula]

its actually happens at argos
i one saw argos run with 5/8 1580+
tried to join it at 1500 3x3 so im just plus one
and didnt got accepted, so people has that mentality everywhere
some people just cannot comprehand that sometimes, its ok to have someone underperform avg and they getting carried on pure dps meter info, cos IT DOESNT MATTER you as one single 1620 can do the raid solo in dps.

[buoyant wagon]

You don’t have the right as a player to say whether the game is being played as intended

That’s up to the developer

[wary pecan]

Not true, i can say whatever the hell i want lmao

[buoyant wagon]

If the developer wants to let you pick mokokos to gear up

They have decided it’s a correct way to play to progress

[steel minnow]

Hahahahahaha

[supple parrot]

so ur applying to a 1580+ group on a 1500 3x3 and is surprised they didnt take u

[cursive ruin]

it's argos

[low nebula]

yea cos its stupid
why my gearscore matter at argos?

[frail lagoon]

It's Argos my guy

[supple parrot]

doesnt matter their lobby their r ules

[cursive ruin]

if it was a 1580 lobby they'd increase the gear limit required to apply

[keen copper]

people dont want to carry deadweight its a tale as old as time

[neon cedar]

So long suckers, I have argos runs to gatekeep 1600+ plc, 6% demon dmg tyvm

[low nebula]

youy need exacyl two 1540 to do argos in a breeze

[keen copper]

in literally anything

[wary pecan]

So for past 5 years there were no soloable raids in Lost Ark, with your logic then it was correct it didn't exist the whole time because it was decision of developer

[cursive ruin]

it's argos my guy

[supple parrot]

ur not entitled to join their lobby just cuz its "just argos"

[frail lagoon]

Anyway, people don't want first yimers in their groups either, which causes a little problem.

[buoyant wagon]

I mean yes

[frail lagoon]

Since no new players, old players leave, game dies

[buoyant wagon]

The developers up until now intended you to have to multiplayer raid to progress

[keen copper]

doesnt matter, just stating as a general statement

[buoyant wagon]

But now times have changed

[supple parrot]

i mean its just akkan i can clear it without engravings just fine, why gate keep me

[keen copper]

that sentiment is shared everywhere

[low nebula]

bro devs are garbage, liek objectively garbage
case and point - sailing, why it exist
yea but why it exist?

[frail lagoon]

I somewhat get gatekeeping in higher level content.

[keen copper]

because sailing was pretty big

[cursive ruin]

ur general statement doesn't make sense here because there's no dead weight, the boss just dies so fast there's no need for another high level

[keen copper]

on release?

[frail lagoon]

Like Brel and above

Maybe Clown

[tulip charm]

do i raid or not to raid right now

[frail lagoon]

But below, why?

[burnt tree]

Easy, cause you're not sportsmanlike and a Berserker

[keen copper]

the deadweight is the 1415 with 3x3

[wary pecan]

I know right, but this dude thinks they are only people who can express their opinion about something lmao

[bitter lichen]

tribalism

[supple parrot]

so u get to artifically draw the line at ur choosing, why gatekeep clown? its just clown bro. why gate keep brel, its just brel?

[tulip charm]

my akkan normal got jailed in g2 and g3, and i left at g3
i should excercise some disicpline and not raid at those times...

[cursive ruin]

the deadweight is dn

[zealous lintel]

solo mode is fine. you are not going to play with those people using solo modes anyway. its a win win. the reward structure should be tweaked/accomodate for the pf-groups

[buoyant wagon]

I can log onto FF14 and PvP all my gear. You can argue “that’s not the intended way to play” when FF14 is primarily a story driven game with some raiding, but the developers let you gear through PvP so it clearly is a “correct” way to play and progress

Same argument with solo raids being introduced here

[swift tree]

the lack of a solo Argos/Paradise/Abyss Dungeons in all of this is the truest crime of all tbh

[low nebula]

those are reactive devs, they dont have opinion
they only make mistakes - people bitch about them they fix it
its all.

[frail lagoon]

Because at that point the raids start having some actual teamwork needed

[delicate sandal]

Top of the food chain ppl dont get gatekept like me

[supple parrot]

for clown? i can solo it on any of my lopangs

[steel minnow]

@delicate sandal u only join bussrs

[supple parrot]

wut team work u need for clown

[wary pecan]

I know they are obviously doing it because of community pressure, but this dude thinks you can't have an opinion as a player and should just respect whatever bullshit they come up with LOL

"you are player it's not up to you to tell what is right or wrong"

[frail lagoon]

G1 guns and hearts, G2 spotting and G3 mario

[steel minnow]

Oh u sweet summer child g3 clown is full of teamwork

[midnight marlin]

you cant claim something objective and then call it an opinion

wtf

[buoyant wagon]

It is true though

[swift tree]

NGL as both a player AND a developer, I'm cringing internally

[buoyant wagon]

You as a player don’t determine what’s the correct way to play or progress for others

[frail lagoon]

Unless you somehow manage to solo kill Clown before any wipe mechanics

[supple parrot]

?.. thats like saying u need to ping and go to sun seed in argos bro

[steel minnow]

Seee u found the problem us big boys dont even see those mechs if u gatekeep good enough

[supple parrot]

u need team work for argos too

[frail lagoon]

But at that point, why are you doing clown?

[delicate sandal]

Cuz im just up there in the hierarchy

[tulip charm]

as a player i decree all my weapon honing rates shall be 98% chance to succeed from this point on, and only for me
if i can't get that i am uninstalling
and review bombing

[wary pecan]

Why they change their game based on community feedback then? Such as reducing homework? If we are not entitled to voice our thoughts about it

[swift tree]

Hard to see anything face down after reflecting stagger mech back at yourself

[steel minnow]

To see how big my dick is?

[buoyant wagon]

That’s called feedback, not projecting how the game should be played on others. Nice strawman though

[frail lagoon]

Fair enough

[low nebula]

im a dev myself, in aaa company and i know how internals works in few of them, at my position i have no say in anything really but
what i can say, that if people bitch loud enough, things change, even fundamental
cos as soon as bitching gets to weekly discussion and on agenda - it would be adressed in some point
and the more its on agenda, the higher chance it would be fixed.

[wary pecan]

Feedback is literally projecting how the game should be played WDYM

[steel minnow]

Im obviously joking

[keen copper]

we on a good one tonight

[frail lagoon]

Still, gatekeeping fucking sucks.

[swift tree]

It's actually called Player Experience Goals, but hmmk, thanks for letting them know.

[low nebula]

same as goverment, any big company - if wheels started turning of a system
system would start doing the do

[frail lagoon]

That's my one and only opinion on the matter.

[steel minnow]

It doesnt suck if ur chars are invested

[neon cedar]

🍿

[buoyant wagon]

Wanting there to be honing nerfs and telling people that if they don’t multiplayer raid, they should go somewhere else are two different things

[frail lagoon]

Not everyone can invest in their characters if nobody is letting them raid.

[bitter lichen]

honinh does need a nerf

[tulip charm]

they should remove sideral energy drops from the game, and make it instead of looting a sideral energy you just loot the entire +8 weapon in 1 drop

[frail lagoon]

That's the problem, see?

[tulip charm]

trust me bro, this is a good idea

[buoyant wagon]

But sure keep bitching at SG for finally introducing an alternative progression route for those who need it

[bitter lichen]

[midnight marlin]

ofc you say remove after you got your drops

[vivid shuttle]

People are bitching cause of solo mode?

[frail lagoon]

If nobody lets you progress because your character isn't powerful enough, how are you thinking you'dbe able to get more powerful?

[low nebula]

1540-1580 totally needs a nerf
its not doable without express for any new player.

[wary pecan]

if i say there should be only one guardian raid per day it's literally the same fucking thing you are telling them how the game is supposed to be played, there is no difference in that, you could say BUT THIS DUDE WANTED TO MAKE IT TWICE ON HIS CHARACTER it's just this helps your narrative so you don't care about that but it is literally proof that players opinion matters and they acknowledge that often and change their directions and plans according to that

[buoyant wagon]

Because surely by keeping the way things are the game is more inclusive

[swift tree]

Instead make it so you should buy entrance tickets to Brelshaza Gate 4 HM and the raid has a 2% chance to drop outright.
wait....

[wary pecan]

but if you feel like you don't have a say in anything and what you say doesn't matter, i guess just feel however you want and just suck devs on every occasion lmao

[steel minnow]

@frail lagoon i got a strat for u spend 200 euro buy skins sell skins from 200 euro u make like 700k gold upgrade ur main and 2 alts to like 1580 and then u will have 3 1580+ chars and u will be chilling

[bitter lichen]

no one is one guy just saying its gonna fix gatekeep when it wont

[tulip charm]

they should also add a new sideral usage in raids, where the party leader throws their credit card for 100bars of boss damage, everyone in the raid has to pay 10$ in the shop and they gotta press all those buttons in the middle of the raid to enable this sideral

[buoyant wagon]

Man thinks I’m sucking off the devs when I’ve doomposted the game for the longest time ever

[midnight marlin]

is this joke on diablo immortal

[low nebula]

1540-1580 is like 250k gold
you get like 30k per week from your event character
so its dead zone really.

[frail lagoon]

Good idea

[swift tree]

Diablo style games in general. Also a copycat tactic of other mobile games tbh

[vivid shuttle]

It's not fixing gatekeep but the people who are gatekept have a different option so in a way it helps

[delicate sandal]

Is this some ea strat

[cursive ruin]

Hanu is literally the new caliligos

[buoyant wagon]

Making alternative progression paths is a good change for the game, and telling people that if they don’t want to multiplayer raid they are playing the wrong game is a shitty opinion that’s poor for the health and inclusivity of the game

[cursive ruin]

And if they keep releasing expresses and power passes sonavel will also be the new caliligos

full of bots

[bitter lichen]

new ea strat dropped

[steel minnow]

There is 1 guardian raid per day

[supple parrot]

gatekeep is just common sense, ppl want to play with similar geared ppl, no one likes dead weight

[wary pecan]

That's literally point of what i am saying????

Thanks captain obvious?

[frail lagoon]

Yeah, but the problem is people doing it in low level content.

Like Argos

[bitter lichen]

not even about gear, ppl dont want jail

[frail lagoon]

What is the fucking point in gatekeeping argos?

[bitter lichen]

from exp

[low nebula]

nothing fixing gatekeep
no single measure, only super complex solution we cant figure out in chat msg cos too long didnt read and devs woudlnt implement cos they incomepetent
but there measures to take to ease the gatekeeping for mokokos on mokoko acessable raids

[bitter lichen]

[vivid shuttle]

In a game I used to play, people who do multiple runs with first time clearer get bonus rewards in endgame raids

[tulip charm]

no, eu is a good region, no gatekeeping
not enough players they need every single body you can find in eu raids

[midnight marlin]

yeah suck off ff more

[full igloo]

[supple parrot]

nope, there is no problem in that. ur just salty

[delicate sandal]

Ea not eu

[swift tree]

Gatekeeping is a cultural issue. Not wanting to help less capable players, same way you can't get people to willingly pay taxes to help pay for healthcare, roads, etc. without someone trying to rig the whole thing in their favour.

[frail lagoon]

How is gatekeeping fucking Argos not an issue?

[supple parrot]

how is it an issue? literally no one even does argos

[steel minnow]

Also i know its shitt man but playing from that far behind also isnt that fun imo so ita not that bad of an idea and would help ur roster alooot

[supple parrot]

not even new players do argos

[buoyant wagon]

Gatekeeping isn’t a cultural issue, it’s a game design issue

[supple parrot]

just cuz u got gatekept in argos and is mad, doesnt mean its an issue

literally no one cares about argos

[bitter lichen]

except this a game that i have 3 hrs to play after getting home from work and i got 18 raids to do b4 end of the week

[low nebula]

like lets take from beginning
Valtan g1
Why dont make orbs you take just make you invulnerable if in right order and give heavy dmg reduction if in wrong
it would fix mature characters dying due to mokoko cant take orb
and fix mokoko dying cos they have protection
Now we fixed gatekeep at valtan, cos nobody gatekeep valtan g2 cos everyone can solo it.

[frail lagoon]

Except people who don't have 30LoS or Demons

[steel minnow]

I think it is cultural

[buoyant wagon]

It’s also an unavoidable issue in any game that has a party finder that lets you be selective

[bitter lichen]

so ppl aint playing with mokoko jail

[buoyant wagon]

Of course there are ways to mitigate the issue

Such as other progression paths

[steel minnow]

When i did card runs i never did argos

[vivid shuttle]

Idk bro I'm more inclined to help people irl than in a game I'm using my own time for. It doesn't cost me time to pay taxes (more or less) but it costs me time to get jailed

[buoyant wagon]

It exists in every region and even in other mmos

[vivid shuttle]

It's literally a comparison you can't make

[buoyant wagon]

It’s not a cultural issue

It’s just that most other games have ways to mitigate the impact of gatekeeping

[low nebula]

im yet to get any card but argos from argos
im not even convinced its a thing to get los part from it

[buoyant wagon]

Or are designed in such a way it’s not relevant to many players

[vivid shuttle]

People don't wanna go back from an exhausting day at work and deal with people unable to press buttons

Doesn't mean they don't want to support people in need

[steel minnow]

Yes i know but i think ppl make gatekeeping not the game

[supple parrot]

??? most ppl dont even run their 18 raids, way less ppl are gonna go run argos for cards, literal non issue

[buoyant wagon]

People gatekeep based off game design

[vivid shuttle]

That's such a dented comment holy fuck actually throwing up in my mouth you'd even think of putting it that way lol

[swift tree]

Argos drops Beatrice, Nineveh, Shandi and Armen out of all of the legendary cards the most.

[low nebula]

i belive it when i see it

[buoyant wagon]

If the game lets you gatekeep, people will do it because it saves time and people want to run with similar players

[steel minnow]

@low nebula nineveh is only a drop from argos and sea of indolence

[bitter lichen]

[low nebula]

please not the sea

[frail lagoon]

Still, why waste the time getting a 1600+ lobby when you could have ran the raid through 5 times with a normal level group by the time you enter iy once.

[vivid shuttle]

Time is more valuable than anything else to me

[low nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/bumblebee-charlie-watson-god-im-so-screwed-screwed-im-so-screwed-gif-21991470

[buoyant wagon]

Of course, unlimited gatekeeping with no mitigating factors is bad for a game, which is why there are things like forced matchmaking, other ways to progress, easy progression content where gatekeeping isnt required, etc to help out

[wary pecan]

X to doubt, you are arguing with random bozos on discord lmao

[frail lagoon]

^

[vivid shuttle]

I'm at work

Lol

[zealous lintel]

Eh disagree on that one. I think its 60% player made and 40% by ingame systems and designs. Humans first and foremost

[supple parrot]

??? im not the one who denied u, i dont run argos, i give 0 fucks about argos, neither does anyone here. but if someone makes a lobby they can take/deny anyone they want. no one is entitled to join

[steel minnow]

If it makes u feel any better i got los30 and los 35 on the same day

[vivid shuttle]

I'm getting paid for this

[steel minnow]

[vivid shuttle]

Literally stealing my company time

[swift tree]

Kadan/Nineveh quandry?

[frail lagoon]

I'm not talking about you specifically

[tulip charm]

what do you think is gonna happen when thaemine normal comes out
and there are pts where everyone with 40/40 and they decline the 1610 event gems guy
GATEKEPT shit GAME clearly

[low nebula]

if time is valuable - you wouldnt play lost ark
cos this one is def dosnt "respects your time"

[frail lagoon]

Just the entire concept of gatekeeping in general

[supple parrot]

read last part, their lobby their rules

[steel minnow]

I was lacking 1 kadan and like 2 ninevehs and i got all 3 cards on same day

[vivid shuttle]

It's about spending time in a way you enjoy

Idk how people have issues grasping their head around that

[buoyant wagon]

It’s the developers job to mitigate the effects of gatekeeping

[swift tree]

Yeah, I ended up missing the last Kadan a little bit longer. Finally got it from a fate ember.

[steel minnow]

What is 40/40?

[buoyant wagon]

Well, they’re finally doing something towards that

Somehow this place is on fire

Over that decision

[steel minnow]

Yea that kadan was trolling me so hard cuz i couldnt use select pack for it ...

[wary pecan]

I want just one thing explained to me because i still fail to understand that, there are HUNDREDS of people complaining about being gatekept, how people don't want to play with low roster players, how there is lack of prog groups, why these people don't play TOGETHER?

[midnight marlin]

elixir 40

[steel minnow]

Noone is gatekeeping that there is no way

[prime wind]

they do. they are the ones not complaining about it

[wary pecan]

i see like 20 posts on reddit every day where people complain about how noone wants to accept them

[steel minnow]

U guys are crazy if u think that

[swift tree]

Lack of interpersonal skills, mostly.

[steel minnow]

Elixirs arent even mandatory to run normal thaemine

[frail lagoon]

Because they're afraid of making their own lobbies and accepting people

[vivid shuttle]

The only gatekeep I have to deal with is the sonavel on my 1585 DPS alt

[tulip charm]

imagine if those hundreds of people congregated together and formed their own pts

oh wait...

[wary pecan]

how can you handle your real life when you are too anxious to create a party in a fucking video game

[supple parrot]

cuz they want a free carry, they wont clear if they get together and have to pull their own weight

[steel minnow]

@vivid shuttle bro yesterday i finished my whole roster 1610 and pf on 1610 char gargadeez is horror

[swift tree]

making a party requires effort. easier to just boot up a different game in an oversaturated market.

[low nebula]

did you cut your stones?
Elixirs?
Do you do unas, cube, islands with gold rewards?
Challenge raids?
How many of things i listed you do and do you enjoy all of them?

Does your answer to q above conrtidicts "time matters" or "time spend on the things you enjoy"?

[steel minnow]

I would not even try on that alt and just matchmake

[vivid shuttle]

Dude are you really assuming what I do and whether I enjoy it

I play "only" 4 chars and don't do their raids or daily if I don't feel like

Simple as that

[steel minnow]

I love lost ark

[low nebula]

i might profile you little bit
but, i know lots of peopel who hate fuck lost ark, so it is what it is

[vivid shuttle]

Improving my character and making my characters stronger is something I enjoy

[buoyant wagon]

1. Not everyone has time to wait for learning/prog party to fill, and this can take a while depending on the time of day

2. If your party has to disband past gate 1 for whatever reason, your lockout is screwed for the week most likely.

3. People learn at different paces or vary in experience and naturally want to play with a similar pacing/experience. This can’t really be well delineated in a party of rejects where people can be gatekept over varying reasons or just new players/returners.

[steel minnow]

Serenei speaking the truth

[buoyant wagon]

Some people can definitely put in more effort to find other people to learn and raid with, but it’s not a full solution for everyone

[prime wind]

serenade did u enjoy the livestream today

[vivid shuttle]

??????? That's not even related to anything I've said. I simply said I value my time so I gatekeep people who look like rats, 0 mention about "hating" or "disliking" lost ark

[wary pecan]

This is just general facts that don't mean anything though, the same can happen for any reclear party

[buoyant wagon]

Above average stream

[prime wind]

i didnt watch it but i heard the highlights

[steel minnow]

Yes i did justin

[buoyant wagon]

Lack of dates and some specifics sucks

[low nebula]

tis was exactly my points higher above
like every one of them
and i got and when i said solo acess to raids without rewards would fix it

[tulip charm]

how do you determine if they are a rat or not...i am very curious on how you can spot this

🐀

[wary pecan]

Like veteran players day has the same amount of hours as new players day

[hearty gazelle]

Because ppl with low rosters want to be carried and don’t accept ppl same ilvl and roster lvl like them , on NAE I made a char to try different characters and on 1520ilvl ppl with 52rostrr and same ilvl don’t accept

[buoyant wagon]

But solo content and some of the planned changes are a good direction

[steel minnow]

I really liked that they actually called out all the issues in the game

[vivid shuttle]

I mostly go by gems and maybe cards

[swift tree]

Nah the hate-fuck part is when you had Smilegate over for drinks last night.

[buoyant wagon]

You still need rewards because you can’t solo forever due to solo going to ivory only

Gold is integral to progression in this game

So is use of the AH

[vivid shuttle]

People who gatekeep ilevel are cringe and dented

[wary pecan]

Can't wait to gatekeep the shit out of all solo players in Thaemine lmao

[tulip charm]

holy crap, ive never seen you awake at this hour!

[buoyant wagon]

You cannot feasibly SSF your way after engraving support expires

[low nebula]

i heard about solo content coming and in plans at first loa summer when game just released on west
now i heard today we would hear more about it this summer loa

so yea, devs totaly comepent and totaly on time

[hearty gazelle]

Im awake daily at this time just dont open discord now siting on the throne 😂

[supple parrot]

gatekeeping by ilvl = cringe and dented, gatekeeping by gems and maybe cards = not??

[buoyant wagon]

Unless you play for literally more than half a decade you can’t fuse your way up to full 10s, etc etc

[vivid shuttle]

I'd rather take the 1580 full lvl 10 decent accessory los30 person than the 1610 full event gems and crappy looking access

[bitter lichen]

no one gatekeeps ilvl

[vivid shuttle]

False

[bitter lichen]

its all roster/title

[tulip charm]

[zealous lintel]

eh roster + ilvl it is

[vivid shuttle]

That's literally untrue

[wary pecan]

ilvl is like the most fucking common way of gatekeeping wdym

[midnight marlin]

i do

[buoyant wagon]

Min ilvl will get you gatekept

[bitter lichen]

[zealous lintel]

ilvl is the second biggest gatekeeping factor

[vivid shuttle]

Most people literally look at I level first

[buoyant wagon]

New classes will get you gatekept

[swift tree]

That "Solo content" in 2022 was talking about music boxes and pleccia ong

[pulsar cove]

does anyone have that chart with the dps of all the classes for voldis

[zealous lintel]

saying its not is cap

[low nebula]

now chat would discover that gatekeeping is subjective and everyone looks at different shit

[supple parrot]

what if they both had identical cards and gems, who u take, the 1580 or the 1610?

[wary pecan]

you see 1620+ parties on gargadeth/akkan HM, 1600+ sonavels, 1580+ brel HM runs...

[low nebula]

nah it was rehersal and its fucked.

[vivid shuttle]

If they both have event gems both decline

[cursive ruin]

shut up chat

you're all wrong

pipe down

[supple parrot]

both 10s?

[bitter lichen]

go fk urself guppy

[vivid shuttle]

I'll take both

[swift tree]

BUT WHAT IF I YELLL MY WRONG OPINION THE LOUDEST!!!?!?!

[vivid shuttle]

I don't care about ilevel

[prime wind]

no one really gatekeeps ilvl they just prefer higher ones cause it means they have cleared the raid before on that char and have the upgraded pieces

[supple parrot]

1 slot, u cant take both

[tulip charm]

both lv11 gems?

[cursive ruin]

BUHHHHHHHHHHHH

[supple parrot]

? so 1580 and 1620 with elixir is same to u?

[vivid shuttle]

Well ofc I'll take the high I level? But that's not the situation we are talking about

[faint grove]

they gatekeep ilvl if they're easily able to fill party

[prime wind]

i mean 2 solutions. make own party or go on tuesday to fill bodies (both of which ive done)

[faint grove]

if theres dps shortage ilvl gatekeeping goes away all of a sudden

[vivid shuttle]

We are talking about people gatekeeping someone with a better set up but lower I level than some higher I level person that literally only invested in hones

[supple parrot]

cuz u said gatekeeping by ilvl is dumb. why u just assume the lower ilvl always have better gems?

[zealous lintel]

being on the same character progression doesnt exist in this game i believe. too many systems

[stiff egret]

[vivid shuttle]

Holy shit talking with you is dented, ofc not every lower I level person has a better set up, but if they do is prefer them over an overhoned rat

[faint grove]

always set min ilvl to 1581 when doing akkan/sona/kaya to gatekeep the fresh alt shitters

[bitter lichen]

your gonna take 1580 300 roster akkan title over 1600 no title

its facts

[swift tree]

I would tbh, I've seen and experienced the opposite tho

[prime wind]

for title sure

[vivid shuttle]

ilevel barely improves dps

[supple parrot]

cuz ppl dont always click in to check ur gems and shit, esp if its some on farm raid, and there is many applicant, just take highest ilvl and go

[faint grove]

depends on the roster lvl of the 1600 no title

[vivid shuttle]

I don't do that

[faint grove]

and his setup

[zealous lintel]

i check all applicants

[tulip charm]

u guys are asking loaded questions, the better question is if there is 2 berserker players and only 1 slot left
one is all 9s and 1600 applying for hm akkan
the other is all 10s 1620 with all 10s his name is korearepublic
which zerker do u take

[prime wind]

title is definitely more important than ilvl

[zealous lintel]

[vivid shuttle]

I literally ignore ilevel

[low nebula]

is my math wrong or you need 6561 lvl 3 gems to get lvl 10?

[supple parrot]

ignoring ilvl is dumb, cuz u get access to elixirs

[vivid shuttle]

Your ilevel is meaningless to me if it fulfills the minimum

[bitter lichen]

the gunlancer

[prime wind]

cause it is a clear indicator for u doing the raid or high lvl content

[midnight marlin]

i take fren (i have none)

[faint grove]

kick some1 and take both since they're zerks

[swift tree]

no joke, I have been gatekept despite having 300 roster, LoS 30 and level 9 gems.
They took a 1600 meta class with no title and 7 event gems, DD

Hope they jailed.

[vivid shuttle]

I also gatekeep crit syns on my main

[bitter lichen]

[low nebula]

why do you even consider zerks?

[vivid shuttle]

Insta decline

[tulip charm]

[low nebula]

yea insta decline

[tulip charm]

solid class, 140ms, high dmg, can do anything

[swift tree]

Zerker hating is so 2022 my guy.

[supple parrot]

yikes toxic

[bitter lichen]

fym arent you the one salty about gatekeeping

[low nebula]

cons - glue eater player

[bitter lichen]

[tulip charm]

u didn't answer the question...

[faint grove]

imagine hating on zerks in 2024

[prime wind]

true, stronger than deathblades right

[faint grove]

so many other shit classes to hate instead

[supple parrot]

i would instant take korearepublic to see wut he can do

[bold aspen]

Zerk > your entire roster

[low nebula]

im passionate
thats different from being salty

[steel minnow]

If i got an option i gatekeep zerks cuz half the time they play bad and that is facts

If i got an option i gatekeep zerks cuz half the time they play bad and that is facts

[bitter lichen]

id gatekeep the fk out of u

[tulip charm]

[hearty gazelle]

Old shit zerkers rerolled to slayers its 30% safer with them now

[supple parrot]

if i see ohmango in party applicant, i will take instantly

[vivid shuttle]

I had a slayer called Chinayer apply once I insta accepted him

[supple parrot]

[low nebula]

i bet you will

[tulip charm]

no thats my class repuation, not zerker

[steel minnow]

Ofc there are alot of zerks that play well but are we really risking it boys

[swift tree]

Accept Korearepublic, ask them something, if they don't respond within a full minute, bann

[faint grove]

zerks do fine in my experience, overall a decent pick most of the time

[low nebula]

i think arti is problem

[swift tree]

Almost like the most current bot meta class is the one blocked.

[weak sedge]

Just gotta steer clear of sorcs

[steel minnow]

Whyyyy??

[faint grove]

reflux is fine, igniter is questionable

[supple parrot]

zerker is very reliable class, do mech, dont ignore mech to greed and cause wipe

[steel minnow]

That my main

[swift tree]

Arti got their spec co-efficient nerf undone.

[midnight marlin]

sure

[steel minnow]

Where?

[bitter lichen]

[tulip charm]

[supple parrot]

mean while u get ppl like rosey on arti that fucking greeding on stagger check forcing zerker to use 7 skills and then fail stagger

[steel minnow]

I dont even play bard i think its a garbage class

[tulip charm]

i don't believe this

[supple parrot]

we literally failed a stagger check today after i used 7 skills

on my zerker

[swift tree]

Most recent balance patch no? The one we got wasn't as bad as Koreas yet dead-brains still gatekeep as if it was KRs original one.

[supple parrot]

in g2 voldike

i used every single skill

[faint grove]

arti is a decline.

[supple parrot]

and we failed it

[steel minnow]

Ohh nah arti atm is good and it will get better after the balance patch

[supple parrot]

ya i asked if he used napalm, he said he used every skill in wheelchair

[gleaming pendant]

[prime wind]

zerkers are reliable hwk doers. they get da job done. after slayer came out i never gatekeep zerks

[faint grove]

most of them dont use napalm because its a 1% dps loss or some bs

[bold aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/nepunator-cat-happy-sunset-gif-15687953810101576364

[swift tree]

https://tenor.com/view/mister-electric-send-him-principals-gif-24418029

[gleaming pendant]

gatekeep slayers

[swift tree]

gatekeep lost ark

problem solved

[prime wind]

punisher slayers during mechs

[gleaming pendant]

predator slayers can't hit cause boss fly away

[supple parrot]

no napalm is good skill, but he was in wheelchair at start of stagger check, so he just used all his skill in wheelchair, which basically does 0 stagger in total. and our other 2 class was a gs and a bard without stagger. so we failed stagger

[faint grove]

skill issue

[vivid shuttle]

The game is literally only worth playing for the blind progs

It's the most fun part

[prime wind]

tbh breaker is the most fun ive had in a while

[faint grove]

are you a hell enjoyer then

[vivid shuttle]

Nah

Blind means you are figuring out the mechs

Not that the raid is "super hard"

[supple parrot]

its not fun tho

its just high dps

[bitter lichen]

[prime wind]

im asura tho it is fun

[supple parrot]

destroyer is way more fun

[bitter lichen]

what u talking about

[prime wind]

it does a lot but i didnt find soul eater fun just cause it was strong

[vivid shuttle]

Blind runs are not as hard as people make it out to be, if you use your brain most mechs are relatively easy to figure out

Not clown tho

[wary pecan]

i play both but zerk just still feels better idk maybe im weird

[supple parrot]

gt destroyer is more fun but less dmg

[vivid shuttle]

Fuck Clown

[gleaming pendant]

https://upload3.inven.co.kr/upload/2024/04/05/bbs/i015903716814.gif

[faint grove]

blind prog is tedious, semi blind prog is fun

[prime wind]

i mean vykas blind is probably extremely cancer too, especially with the old gate 1

[still lintel]

@queen grail https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/618464389271388160/1225767702468100117/medusa_step_on_me.jpg?ex=66225421&is=660fdf21&hm=cb6c202db68449af92f0cd1849ee3824aef852380b87774faf9cf727521a92e7&

[gleaming pendant]

https://tenor.com/view/rapid-punch-twinzero-saitama-opm-one-punch-man-gif-19957736

[vivid shuttle]

I didn't do vykas blind so can't comment

[prime wind]

it has the most unintuitive mechs

clown is actually quite fair

[vivid shuttle]

Yeah I heard it was shitty

Akkan and Kaya

[bold aspen]

https://cdn.7tv.app/emote/6119cd43f6496582c7d38968/2x.gif

[vivid shuttle]

Were good tho

[swift tree]

useless

[vivid shuttle]

Voildys was okay

[faint grove]

1 varkan off finishing my leg cards

[prime wind]

still 2 galaturs

[low nebula]

galaturs for extreme monkey

[swift tree]

[bold aspen]

[low nebula]

nice

[bitter lichen]

i hope solo content makes homework quicker

thats all i care about

idgaf about gatekeep tbh

[supple parrot]

its gonna give less reward than group

[swift tree]

Solo Brel gold

[wind dagger]

this sucks

[bitter lichen]

probably yeah

[wind dagger]

getting 1/1 elixir with training elixir

[swift tree]

2 legendaries better than 4 purples

although sounds like no HM solo for tower

[wind dagger]

[bold aspen]

[wind dagger]

Why laughing

[bold aspen]

[swift tree]

My point was that getting golds with solo version would help towards 40 set more than purples from normal non-solo, but forgot that caveat of the solo stuff was "up to 1600" so no HM