lost-ark-discussions

[uneven mortar]

oh well

[queen grail]

But ok

[uneven mortar]

small spoiler then

@quartz turret go finish it

[quartz turret]

It’s like everywhere anyways

[uneven mortar]

its really good

[bitter lichen]

idk

it kill u

[quartz turret]

I’m not home rn and I don’t want to do the story on my phone

[bitter lichen]

free just go into the bush

[quiet igloo]

Hit me up w the sauce fr

I need one

For science

[uneven mortar]

you got acheusy?

[uneven mortar]

shes so strong

[bitter lichen]

[quartz turret]

Ye and her lc

[bitter lichen]

na

[uneven mortar]

provlem is i dont have sparkle

[quiet igloo]

Ya

[uneven mortar]

so my acheusy is gimped

[quiet igloo]

Wrekk stfu

[uneven mortar]

no u

[quartz turret]

[quiet igloo]

I said it first

[uneven mortar]

i used uno reverse

[quiet igloo]

[quartz turret]

I though Acheron doesn’t need sparkle

[bitter lichen]

[spice bronze]

i mean if you dont have meter ofc you dont understand, so yea i told u i was talking about ssyn on the meter

[uneven mortar]

if you e2 sparkle is the best

[wind dagger]

[uneven mortar]

bronya destroys your skillpoint

[quartz turret]

[queen grail]

[sand marsh]

wtf is a ssyn

speak english

[queen grail]

Exactly, no one says ssyn.

[uneven mortar]

man i lost 50/50 5 times in a ducken row

[sand marsh]

ssyn dn

[quartz turret]

[uneven mortar]

im gonna choke a bitch for real

[bitter lichen]

[queen grail]

Anyways, I checked the pic I was sent, and here.

97,2 99,4 99,9 Brand.
76,8 86,7 87,6 AP
73,7 76,3 89,7 ZSynergy

You do the math @spice bronze

[quartz turret]

I’ve lost like 2 50/50 on star rail

And a 75/25

[faint grove]

on what

[queen grail]

Since you're so good with the forbidden scriptures @wind dagger

[sand marsh]

ya but where is the ssyn

[queen grail]

I'll ssyn you!

[supple parrot]

3pred/6ambush swift purple earring

[sand marsh]

rmt

[quartz turret]

[tulip charm]

gratz

[quartz turret]

Whales

[tulip charm]

i can't loot sht this week and last week, at least someone getting stuff is good

[supple parrot]

winners win losers lose

[spice bronze]

i.. dont know how that works

[supple parrot]

r u still on 20 weapon

[sand marsh]

yeah i need 600k gold

to get my last two gems

[supple parrot]

zhengs last alt just hit 21 weapon

ur so behind

[queen grail]

[spice bronze]

wdym, ssyn is not a word that i named

[quiet igloo]

SSN?

[sand marsh]

ssyn deez nuts

[bitter lichen]

[quiet igloo]

[faint grove]

wtf is a ssyn

[quiet igloo]

Idk

[sand marsh]

no one knows

[bitter lichen]

@uneven mortar man where are some good massage places in sydney

[queen grail]

Gem's have no impact either, you can have all 10's and still suck.

[quiet igloo]

synergy?

[bitter lichen]

i need one

[quiet igloo]

I do too

Aly

[supple parrot]

[quiet igloo]

Ur so godly at the game

[faint grove]

can i have some 10s since rthey have no impact

[quiet igloo]

Give me your gems

You don't need them

Apparently

[spice bronze]

its a stats that shows on meter, total support buff, can be seeing as a uptime, but yea if you dont use meter then nvm, although im not talking to you guys lmao im talking to aly, if he dont use meter then nvm thats what i mean

[blissful rose]

its a stats that shows on meter, total support buff, can be seeing as a uptime, but yea if you dont use meter then nvm, although im not talking to you guys lmao im talking to aly, if he dont use meter then nvm thats what i mean

[wind dagger]

its a stats that shows on meter, total support buff, can be seeing as a uptime, but yea if you dont use meter then nvm, although im not talking to you guys lmao im talking to aly, if he dont use meter then nvm thats what i mean

[faint grove]

who cares about ssyn, im the best pala of the year, all that matters.

[blissful rose]

Gamer lingo we wouldn't get it

[bitter lichen]

[queen grail]

You go buy some yourself smh, you're richer than me.

[quiet igloo]

its a stats that shows on meter, total support buff, can be seeing as a uptime, but yea if you dont use meter then nvm, although im not talking to you guys lmao im talking to aly, if he dont use meter then nvm thats what i mean

Buddy I am not rich

[spice bronze]

lol stop meming about it

[quiet igloo]

According to net I'm homeless and his slave

[queen grail]

HAHAHAHAH

That's funny.

Not!

[faint grove]

maybe if you upped your ssyn you'd stop being homeless

[queen grail]

https://tenor.com/view/not-funny-dwayne-johnson-seven-bucks-the-rock-fake-laugh-gif-20130201

[supple parrot]

thats the worse meter, just use the other one that shows uptime on brand and ap buff and identity seperately

[vagrant cradle]

[spice bronze]

???did i said something wrong or did i piss u off somewhere

[quiet igloo]

Or just don't use one and be normal

[wind dagger]

What other one?

[queen grail]

You must be using something else than the buddies I ran with since I don't think that number exist there, normally you just look at AP / Brand / ZSynergy to see how good a support is doing it.

[quiet igloo]

He was talking to me

Lemon wya

[bitter lichen]

[quiet igloo]

Get back here

Hit me up w a funnel web rn

[queen grail]

I'm best GL.

[quiet igloo]

[vagrant cradle]

most pug supports are terrible

[sand marsh]

[bitter lichen]

they in the bush just go grab it

[vagrant cradle]

[quiet igloo]

U live in purgatory and I don't

[wind dagger]

[uneven mortar]

ginza empire/club, and touch more class is one i usually go to

[quiet igloo]

[bitter lichen]

nah thats dubbo

[uneven mortar]

its all in cbd though

[queen grail]

Most pug dps are terrible too

[queen grail]

I think I see 1 in 100 deathblades doing damage.

[vagrant cradle]

[supple parrot]

That’s some sus ass name

[vagrant cradle]

true

[faint grove]

huge

[uneven mortar]

the girl i told you abt is from ginza club lol

[supple parrot]

[bitter lichen]

man my iccream meltin

[uneven mortar]

depends whether you like asian or caucasian

[queen grail]

I think It was because I actually used battlefield shield at good times to pretend damage and whatnot.

[quiet igloo]

Ong that sucks

[supple parrot]

Why not both

[faint grove]

think i see 1 in 100 wheelchairs not grief in akkan

[quiet igloo]

unfortunate

[supple parrot]

Get a 4 hands massage

[uneven mortar]

cuz you go to different place for different

[queen grail]

More blue lancers needs to use their damn battlefield shield, it's even buffed now

[faint grove]

ngl i didnt even know battlefield shield existed and i played gunlance for quite a while

[queen grail]

[quiet igloo]

[spice bronze]

how to see AP / Brand / ZSynergy

[queen grail]

It's the other button on your Synergy @faint grove

[tulip charm]

mine is finally decent now

[vagrant cradle]

[queen grail]

Z/X.

[faint grove]

well i swapped to red at some point to be fair

[tulip charm]

but the lowest dmg is now gs...

[queen grail]

True, red don't have it.

[faint grove]

played blue for a couple of months

before that

a long time ago though

during vykas times

[queen grail]

With eyes on the meter, they are listed.

[queen grail]

Good good.

[quiet igloo]

Aly Meter user

[supple parrot]

Blue is boring af

[spice bronze]

i mean if you are doing good in general ssyn will going up no?

[queen grail]

nope, but friends are.

[quiet igloo]

Sus

[queen grail]

I don't know what the 🦆 ssyn is.

[bitter lichen]

bro i got way to much

[quiet igloo]

They all say that

Share then

[bitter lichen]

[spice bronze]

i dont know too so i asked devs, that screenshot was send by his own discord

[supple parrot]

There’s diff meters

[bitter lichen]

[supple parrot]

[queen grail]

But If It was legal I'd use it 100%, I think meter is a vital part of a game like this and I think the benefit far outweighs the negatives that might come from It being integrated into the game.

[supple parrot]

Ur prob using the shitty one

[queen grail]

I think a lot of people would drastically improve if they actually saw their stats in details.

[quiet igloo]

I think I didn't ask for your opinion on meters

[bitter lichen]

[queen grail]

Then don't join the convo you ape

Not that hard.

[supple parrot]

Ya but what’s ur opinion on zeals and saintone

[faint grove]

i think the current state of bible is fine, it being outlawed makes it so people won't use it to berate others since they risk getting banned, but if you silently use it you won't get banned

[bitter lichen]

saintones ugly

[quiet igloo]

But If It was legal I'd use it 100%, I think meter is a vital part of a game like this and I think the benefit far outweighs the negatives that might come from It being integrated into the game.

i think the current state of bible is fine, it being outlawed makes it so people won't use it to berate others since they risk getting banned, but if you silently use it you won't get banned

[sand marsh]

[supple parrot]

[spice bronze]

i mean, wow using it, but it bring negativety

[blissful rose]

1/4

[supple parrot]

Did u save Akkan nm for me

[queen grail]

And positives

[supple parrot]

[quiet igloo]

Wow is full of rats

[sand marsh]

what do u think

[quiet igloo]

Don't talk ab that game

[supple parrot]

I don’t know

[queen grail]

People using it to improve their dps and uptime.

[supple parrot]

That’s why I asked

[sand marsh]

guess

[quiet igloo]

No they aren't

[supple parrot]

[spice bronze]

true and that's why they kept it

[quiet igloo]

Ur being overly optimistic

[supple parrot]

R u a snake

[faint grove]

people use it to find out who is jailing their ass

[queen grail]

I used it in wow while dps training on dummies but ok.

[sand marsh]

no i embrace the rat life

[quiet igloo]

Shouldn't need a meter to play the game and improve

[supple parrot]

[quiet igloo]

[faint grove]

nobody wants to carry deadweights

[sand marsh]

dont worry i have a pally

[quiet igloo]

And you also shouldn't need to see others dps

Have friends

Be social

[robust birch]

It's ok shawn I'll do akkan with you for the low price of whatever the going bus rates are rn +5k

[quiet igloo]

It's an MMO for fucks sake

[spice bronze]

i think loa should have make a meter

[supple parrot]

Nice I can be ur friend when u join lf sup+friend lobby

[spice bronze]

everyone should see how bad they are

[faint grove]

indeed its an mmo

[supple parrot]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1147690470185648198.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[hidden jay]

I need to see how bad they are so I can gatekeep them o.o

[uneven mortar]

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-03-29/ing-macquarie-crypto-romance-scam/103640562

damn

old people man

[supple parrot]

Here comes the toxic mods

[uneven mortar]

[queen grail]

Dps meter have been a standard addon in mmo since the dawn of time.

[supple parrot]

https://tenor.com/view/cute-adorable-duckling-haha-classic-gif-17283485

[hidden jay]

But I can just tell how bad they are when they apply

I don't need bible for that

[faint grove]

saw this pally once trying to convince this 3m dps guy at akkan to try to go janitor without revealing he was using bible

[spice bronze]

idk, some ppl are good with low roster

but most of them dont have hands

[quiet igloo]

No it has not

[queen grail]

You can harp on that "you shouldn't need it" but you can't deny that actually watching your stats back after combat can help a person grow.

Imagine if all these 40% brand uptime players actually saw in black and white after fights that their brand was bad, that could help them take steps in making that number go up and thus improving

[quiet igloo]

[supple parrot]

Ya but those ppl usually die in there

[bitter lichen]

[supple parrot]

[cedar zealot]

[queen grail]

You're trying to tell me we didn't have Recount and Skada in WoW since Vanilla?

[quiet igloo]

I have played three mmos, and all three of them did not have meters

[supple parrot]

Which ones

[quiet igloo]

Lost ark, bdo, and destiny 2

[spice bronze]

well i think we need one in loa

[cedar zealot]

BDO doesn't even have raids

[quiet igloo]

Idc if we have one

[cedar zealot]

Destiny 2 ain't a proper mmo

[quiet igloo]

I just dislike the people who say it's needed to help improve their skills

[cedar zealot]

Lost ark has a dps meter that most people use

[spice bronze]

i mean yeah, its like, some ppl dont care and some ppl care so that's why they dont make one

[supple parrot]

U only need meter when there is group raids and there is enrage timer

[queen grail]

Because It fucking does?

[quiet igloo]

Shouldn't need a meter to improve

[spice bronze]

but that's why causing avgs so bad

[quiet igloo]

[cedar zealot]

That's a cope argument though

[quiet igloo]

It's not an argument

It's my opinion

[queen grail]

Shouldn't need a lot of things to do a lot of things but some people like the meter to get instant feedback on their playing, what's the issue?

[quiet igloo]

[supple parrot]

U don’t need to go to the gym to lose weight either, but it helps

[sand marsh]

another one

[quiet igloo]

That's a horrible comparison

[spice bronze]

ill say if we have one, it will helps, at least better than nothing

[supple parrot]

Is it?

[queen grail]

I googled Bdo dps meter also

[quiet igloo]

You can work out from home easily

[queen grail]

I see why they don't have it in there.

[quiet igloo]

[supple parrot]

[queen grail]

But, world of warcraft,everquest, wildstar, all big mmo's that have dps meter.

[faint grove]

you know actually seeing a metric on how well you are doing compared to others does help you improve quite a lot because you will realise you're doing something wrong. Without bible you'd continue being an oblivious zdps andy that doesn't think hes doing anything wrong at all

[quiet igloo]

[supple parrot]

Most ppl don’t have equipment at home, and they need to form habit of going to gym etc.

[quiet igloo]

90% of the time it leads you to being greedy and tanking damage you shouldn't though

[spice bronze]

like i didnt know how much % back attack i have on my back attackers, but sicne i have meter so i know if im good or bad

[quiet igloo]

How does that help you improve

[queen grail]

I think he has to be trolling at this point to not see how having a dps meter will objectively help in improving gameplay

[bitter lichen]

hit the gym lil bro

[quiet igloo]

And let's say dps meter was allowed, why would you need to see other people's dps

[supple parrot]

? Where did u get this statics from

[queen grail]

That's not what we are talking about tho, huh???

[faint grove]

just blame the supp

[quiet igloo]

[spice bronze]

to improve your slef first you need to know what's your issue

[bitter lichen]

azrael making up statics again

[supple parrot]

90% of ppl who don’t use meter are trash at the game

[bitter lichen]

[keen copper]

average azreal dent take

[supple parrot]

I pulled that number out of my ass just like u

[faint grove]

so we know who is deadweight so we can avoid them?

[spice bronze]

i mean thats not true comeon

[sand marsh]

I don't agree with this. 90% is bit inaccurate. lol

[quiet igloo]

Just causing arguments by being wrong heh

[supple parrot]

Is it?

[faint grove]

nobody wants to carry little zdps timmy just to "be nice", we want people that carry their own weight

thats it.

[quiet igloo]

Then form a static

[queen grail]

Also, there is an argument to be said about getting the info about other peoples dps, It gives you a benchmark on what you should be doing or how your class is doing compared to other classes if your uptime and rotation is on par.

[supple parrot]

Most ppl who don’t use meter at this point just chose to not use so they don’t see themselves at the bottom every raid

[supple parrot]

[quiet igloo]

Lemon what kind of ice cream did you get btw

[queen grail]

People that think meter users uses it for toxicity are wildly exaggerating how bad that is, I know a lot of "Men of the cloth" and rarely are they ever toxic towards a player in-game for doing poorly on the meter.

[bitter lichen]

cookies and cream

[faint grove]

i just block people that are useless so they can't apply to my raid anymore, they don't have to play with me and i don't have to play with them, problem solved.

[spice bronze]

it is no? like, sure meter does help and im the one like to use meter to improve my self, but even if i dont use meter i will still perfrom my dps, meter just helps if you wanna deep dive your class, the ppl dont have hands with meter they still dont have hands

[quiet igloo]

W

[bitter lichen]

W

[quiet igloo]

Guys stop talking ab meter now

[supple parrot]

Refer to my comment above

[quiet igloo]

It's been argued ab so many times

I think we need it

And we also need open api

[queen grail]

But you can figure out why you "don't have hands" If you think you have a really high back-attack up-time on a class, but you actually don't, that will help shake you out of that narrative and make you focus more on actually getting back-attack up-time.

[quiet igloo]

Where's my fucking open api at huh

[spice bronze]

i mean sure, but you need to WANT TO improve first

[faint grove]

not really

a lot of people need a reality check thats it

[quiet igloo]

I'm telling you tho Aly, if dps meters before allowed, and people begin to have the same sentiment as wow players, ur eternally cooked

[spice bronze]

otherwise meter is just a stats showcase

[queen grail]

Same with supports, I know a lot of good players that aren't exactly that good on support, because they over focus on using defensive's when not needed and then falling behind on Brand & Ap up-time @spice bronze being able to see those numbers raw will help you re-focus on what to do for the next fight and the next one after that.

[full igloo]

Nice morning wake up

[queen grail]

AYO! It sold.

[bitter lichen]

mods

[queen grail]

@full igloo Grats

[full igloo]

[supple parrot]

Which is why 90% of ppl who don’t use meter are trash

[quiet igloo]

mods

[sand marsh]

wow players dont even gatekeep that much based on meter. its mainly your raider.io score lol

[faint grove]

other side true aswell some supps focus too much on brand and atk power that their shielding is trash

[full igloo]

I have goldge !

[quiet igloo]

Someone kill the chat

[faint grove]

if you choose not to shield a fat attack to squeeze in another brand then you're a shit supp

[sand marsh]

and for 'parses' in wow, extremely high parses are usually a result of doing things you shouldnt be doing, outside of hitting the boss. LA meter is strictly boss only.

[quiet igloo]

I need an abysmally terrible take so people shut up

[spice bronze]

i mean, if i dont use meter, i will still play better than avg ppl or just as the me without meter cuz i always try hard, the ppl dont willing to improve with meter still not gonna improve

[buoyant wagon]

without meter you hit a wall for improvement

[quiet igloo]

I say we allow rmting

[quiet igloo]

Nothing wrong w it

[faint grove]

they will improve because now they're aware they're shit instead of being oblivious about it

[full igloo]

You shut up

[supple parrot]

But u do use meter. Proves my point

[buoyant wagon]

game gives piss poor feedback especially for supports

[spice bronze]

[sand marsh]

you hit a wall regardless. diminishing returns. not everyone will have the same mechanical skills. meter doesn't invent hands

[bitter lichen]

bake dn

[quiet igloo]

say less

[faint grove]

this game is not heavy on mechanical skill at all lol

[supple parrot]

It’s not that meter immediately makes u better. But it’s more so, what kind of players don’t use meter

[quiet igloo]

[supple parrot]

Usually shit ones

[bitter lichen]

🥱🤨

[quiet igloo]

[sand marsh]

WoW isnt either. it's less infact. yet people are bad in that game too

[buoyant wagon]

as for dps, unless you are recording every second of footage and have inhuman mental math skills, you are missing way too much data like cpm

[bitter lichen]

🤨

[quiet igloo]

Generic ahh emoji

Ong

[spice bronze]

i use meter for dmg checking, my static likes to compete so they always upload meter to see who is lowest dps and highest one

[bitter lichen]

fym

🤨

[spice bronze]

but hey i was the one who is agree with meter in the game

[faint grove]

yeah both games are mostly about knowledge

[queen grail]

This

[quiet igloo]

i use meter for dmg checking, my static likes to compete so they always upload meter to see who is lowest dps and highest one
as for dps, unless you are recording every second of footage and have inhuman mental math skills, you are missing way too much data like cpm

[spice bronze]

dont get me wrong tho

[supple parrot]

Exactly so u care about dmg. And who don’t use meter? Those who don’t. Hence 90% suck

My logic is flawless

[sand marsh]

yeah but even with that knowledge, some people just dont improve. if everyone could be the best, no one would be the best.

[quiet igloo]

[buoyant wagon]

you cant make everyone improve

[faint grove]

its good logic, the 90% is an asspull but logic is reasonable

[buoyant wagon]

but people who want to improve should have the tools

[quiet igloo]

Just don't suck ass

Be good

Have good genes

Problem solved

[queen grail]

Goldge!!

[spice bronze]

the ppl did "download" the metter software, most of them care about dps, they try hard, what im saying is if meter is ON the game, u can see stats without downloading them, the ppl seeing the stats, are still gonna suck

[faint grove]

they're gonna suck but they'll suck less

because now they know they suck

[quiet igloo]

[spice bronze]

[supple parrot]

I didn’t say anything about ppl who use meter. I just said those who don’t, 90% suck. Wut u said is irrelevant to my point

[cedar zealot]

Just win the life lottery at birth

[quiet igloo]

[queen grail]

Oh for sure for sure.

That's why you gotta pratice on both and I think you do that better with instant feedback and being mindful off "Can I keep high buff and my team healthy" But if you never know you have a "problem" in terms of brand and ap buff some people are really slow on the uptake and progress of doing better.

[quiet igloo]

Fr

[queen grail]

And that's why we have so many "Supporter" ranks running around in end game content

[quiet igloo]

No need for dps meter if ur just naturally in the top .01% of players skill wise

[sand marsh]

honestly - i don't understand the logic of how looking at numbers will help you improve. most of the improvement comes from raid knowledge and how your class works.

[quiet igloo]

[bitter lichen]

[faint grove]

because you need the knowledge that you're not performing in the first place and you won't acquire that knowledge without the numbers.

[quiet igloo]

[queen grail]

You don't think / know that looking at Statistics can help you improve? Are you just trolling at this time?

[buoyant wagon]

sometimes scalp has mindbogglingly questionable takes

this is one of them

[bitter lichen]

[sand marsh]

you will know that by default lol. if your on the mvp screen, it's quite obvious. you can also just 'feel it'.

[quiet igloo]

Wym

Scalps opinion is perfectly fine

[buoyant wagon]

having the numbers on your uptime on support, for example, tells you that perhaps you need to work on upkeeping your skills better

[supple parrot]

Say ur practicing a test by doing practice exams, do u think u would improve faster or slower if ur tests are graded and u know exactly what u did wrong after each one

[quiet igloo]

That's specific to support

[buoyant wagon]

you can have 70% uptime and luck your way into radiant because your team is full of pumpers

[quiet igloo]

[faint grove]

little timmy will never be on the mvp screen, he will think its because other classes are broken, they have better supp, they have better gems etc, he will look for any excuse that its not his fault.

[queen grail]

Nah, just wing it, don't need feedback on your preformance

[sand marsh]

that sort of stuff is common sense and can be known by simply looking at your monitor..

[spice bronze]

what i meant is if the meter is BASED on the game, but yeah for now the ones who use meter are most likely better than the ones who dont, but this topic is talking about if the meter is based on the game raids

[buoyant wagon]

personally, i was able to look at my own logs and see that i was greeding too many skills into my mael rotation

[quiet igloo]

That's just narcissistic

[buoyant wagon]

and my surge was falling off 1/3 of the time

[faint grove]

narcissistic? do you even know what that word means?

[buoyant wagon]

so i was able to make the adjustment to drop one skill outside of it

[faint grove]

because it doesnt mean what you think it means

[queen grail]

No, but meter can help pinpoint on what parts of the game you're struggling.

[quiet igloo]

[sand marsh]

I know when my back attack uptime is bad because - well, im not back attacking the boss often. im getting knocked back, on the floor, or moving around. i dont need a meter to tell me that my back attack uptime is bad on a certain fight. i can simply see it, on my monitor.

[bitter lichen]

Dowork making up words again

[supple parrot]

wtf r u taking about. U replied to what I said about the 90% thing. It’s my topic. The fuck u mean that’s not the topic

[bitter lichen]

[supple parrot]

[wind dagger]

[supple parrot]

Ur coming into my conversation then telling me im not talking about the topic im talking about

What

[queen grail]

During a long fight you won't know exactly how bad it is, and lot of people don't even know how bad they are doing on it tho

[supple parrot]

[quiet igloo]

Fym

[faint grove]

wdym i can sense that my back attack uptime is exactly 73%

[spice bronze]

you are telling 90% of players dont use meter sucks

[quiet igloo]

It's a mental disorder I learned ab in psychology

[spice bronze]

how many ppl here use meter lmao

[faint grove]

its not a mental disorder what

[buoyant wagon]

precisely this, virtually nobody is actually tunnel visioning that hard in a raid to count how many times they are casting skills, whether they are landing all back attacks, whether they are fitting skills in the proper windows sufficiently, etc.

[faint grove]

its a personal trait

[sand marsh]

sure, i cant pinpoint the exact percentage. but i can feel when its bad. and based upon that, i know how to improve.

[spice bronze]

are they all worse than the ones who use meter?

[quiet igloo]

Dawg what?

[queen grail]

During combat a lot of what you do is also on auto, meaning you don't actually think that hard while playing and then It's not easy to keep track of exactly how did you preform, being able to see back after on what you actually did will help shake you out of that and slowly improve over time.

[supple parrot]

Yes. Do u disagree with that? If so, say why

[quiet igloo]

Narcissistic personality disorder

Don't fucking spout bullshit

Dumbass

[buoyant wagon]

how do you know the difference between lets say, 80% and 90% back attack on a skill? there is no plausible way you are detecting the difference mentally while raiding

[quiet igloo]

Someone mute this fucker for misinfo

[spice bronze]

if you think you are right then you are right, cuz there is no evidence, only opinion

[faint grove]

maybe hes counting

[sand marsh]

a meter telling me that my back attack uptime is bad during a certain part of the fight doesn't make me 'improve'. you should know that because at the part of the fight you know your not back attacking...

[bitter lichen]

bro started all this

[quiet igloo]

:)

[bitter lichen]

[buoyant wagon]

it can absolutely tell you that you are sending attacks way too quickly without slightly respecting patterns more or being more patient

[queen grail]

Most of your gaming is done on auto-pilot in terms of executing your rotation, that's just how humans are.
As @buoyant wagon said, you don't tunnel vision on your actual performance that hard during the raid because your focus is on the whole fight in general, where to move, what to dodge, etc etc, so you don't know exactly what your numbers are and if you just go oh well, I did what I could, then ye, you won't improve ever.

[supple parrot]

Then why r u going off in random tangent talking about things that has nothing to do with what I said. Just like being a contrarian?

[quiet igloo]

[buoyant wagon]

if it is a recurring theme across several runs

[quiet igloo]

Oh God

The copy pasta material

It's rolling in

[faint grove]

npd is not the same as "being narcissistic"

one of them is a disorder and the other one is a trait

learn the difference.

[queen grail]

Ma man, math genius.

[sand marsh]

gonna be honest, i dont really focus on the fight. i focus on trying to hit my skills. i do this very often on support. i dont need to pay attention to the fight because it's all subsconious behavior when it comes to mechanics - as the raid has been ran 100+ times

[supple parrot]

I mean after rosey started using meter he got significantly better

[spice bronze]

its just my opinion to let you understand why, but at the end i answered your topic so all good

[sand marsh]

everyone learns differently. looking at a chart doesn't tell me much to be honest.

i need to continue doing the raid to get better

[buoyant wagon]

that's a low bar, he would have gotten better from afking less

[queen grail]

Run with a friend that has the meter once, and then do a gate and give him the aprox % back attack you did and see if you're close, who knows, maybe you're a savant on this.

[quiet igloo]

[supple parrot]

It’s not even just looking at chart. It is having definite proof of whether u did good or bad after each run. U subconsciously start doing things that result in better runs after a while

[quiet igloo]

Ok Mr psychologist

[faint grove]

aww did google betray you

poor thing

[quiet igloo]

No it didn't

[sand marsh]

yeah but a meter isnt DBM.. lol. you should know whether u did good or bad. u cant feel that or notice it?

[quiet igloo]

It proved me right

[queen grail]

Tho, doing it once won't really tell you much, what would be better is If someone in your static randomly quizzed you during a random raid so you didn't "focus" on focusing on it during the fight @sand marsh

[quiet igloo]

Lmao

[buoyant wagon]

no shit people can tell the difference between blatantly bad runs and good runs

without meter

[spice bronze]

seeing yourself been bad to be motivated is their opinion, but this does not apply to everyone

[buoyant wagon]

what really helps is for telling the difference between good and great runs, and great and amazing runs

[bitter lichen]

🤨

[queen grail]

I had a friend who would say after a run "Man I did so shit this run" MVP meter comes, he's top dps

[buoyant wagon]

because the differences are much more minute and there is no plausible way you are intuitively feeling it all the time

[sand marsh]

you should be able to tell that as well, due to how fast it takes.

[supple parrot]

Not all the time. Also when patterns are bad. Other ppl do bad as well. So u can see ur relation to others. If pattern is good and u feel like ur hitting everything but turns out u just fightered cuz everyone else is hitting everything too. This has literally happened to Zheng. Dude said “I hit good” then he realize he fightered

[faint grove]

you can easily tell when its a shit run cuz boss is not doing mechs at the pace that your muscle memory is used to so whole fight seems off

[buoyant wagon]

how would you tell based on raid speed if you arent raiding with the same people every time

you can have an amazing run be the same speed as a good run because the average raid dps ended up being the same

[quiet igloo]

[buoyant wagon]

and even if you were to raid with the same people every time

[queen grail]

Seeing yourself incrementally improve over time since you're actually giving a bit of thoughts to the playing I'd say is motivating to most people.

[buoyant wagon]

other players are also performing differently each run

[sand marsh]

to me, seeing footage of myself in a raid - and seeing how i react to things is much more effective than looking at a program that gives me numbers to work with & nothing else.

[buoyant wagon]

there's also other rng factors like different mechs

[bitter lichen]

[supple parrot]

It takes infinitely more effort to review footage of ur self. Rather than spending 2 seconds to look at dps

Literally not comparable

[quiet igloo]

Never seen it this active

[faint grove]

i mean its a mix of both, you feel how the raid went and you see how it went, then you combine both peices of information to figure out whats the right and wrong way to play.

[spice bronze]

you DONT need meter to improve your slef, meter just shows the stats so u can see how much u improved, but there is ingame mvp screen, you can see by seeing that lmao

[bitter lichen]

bro go to bed

[quiet igloo]

Fr ong

[sand marsh]

i suppose. after making guides for certian raids, i actually started to perform a bit better because i learned certain nuisances that i did not know of in the past. but yeah its more effort. i just know meter doesn't really help me.

[bitter lichen]

Isnt it like day time in africa

rn

[quiet igloo]

[supple parrot]

Ya cuz u literally don’t know how the mechs work until u make guide

[faint grove]

actually you kinda do, how do you know if your changes are working without having a tangible metric of it?

[quiet igloo]

Africa???

[queen grail]

And yes, everyone don't NEED meter, It's a tool, tools are there to help you, It's not going to be the A to the Z if you can or can't do damage, but It will help you, some slowly some fast to figure out what to do next.

Like on my Wardancer, I feel I'm doing ok dps, but I don't know what I'm doing wrong if you go deep into the details and If I could see after combat a bit more details I could extract that and try and improve upon that for next fight but alas, right now I just have to hope I'm doing well and also go into Trix a lot to pratice rotation and whatnot.

[bitter lichen]

yeah thats where u live no

[quiet igloo]

No???

America???

[bitter lichen]

Yes?

[sand marsh]

i know how the mechs work otherwise i'd be jailing every raid like setsura does, including busses. im mainly talking about certain attacks.

[bitter lichen]

africa

[quiet igloo]

NO??????

[queen grail]

MVP Meter is a illusion on how good you're doing tho, @spice bronze Because you don't know how well the other people on the MVP meter is doing.

[quiet igloo]

HWAT?

[spice bronze]

this game is not a hard game lmao, the only hard part is to learn the raid mech and back attack, these are not meter needed

[supple parrot]

There is different levels of understanding

[quiet igloo]

Yeah I live in safrica

[buoyant wagon]

why do i have a feeling scalp is pretty much just an average to slightly above average player only

[supple parrot]

Majority of ppl do not understand how raids work at a fundamental level

[faint grove]

you wernt talking about meter being needed for the game, you were talking about whether its needed to improve or not.

[bitter lichen]

told u

[quiet igloo]

Why you gotta indirectly insult people during a conversation

Kinda mid ngl

[supple parrot]

Cuz he Chinese, they are ass holes

Cept me ofc

[spice bronze]

THIS. as i said, it helps, better than nothing like i saaid before, but i dont think you 100% NEED IT to able to "improve" your slef

[faint grove]

thats a mild stab, not an insult.

[queen grail]

If you look at this MVP screen.

Do you think my shadowhunter is doing amazing dps and Is strong?

[buoyant wagon]

because his point would be more believable if he was already an extremely skilled player who didn't have that much room to improve

[sand marsh]

knowing how a mech work doesn't really correlate to extra damage. a good example of better understanding is in voldis g4. there's an attack you can purposely greed that allows him to stand still a bit longer, to do more damage. it's one of the red telegraphs. i didnt know of this until reecently.

[faint grove]

at some point it is actualyl 100% needed because you need to know whether the changes you're making is actually imrpoving or harming the result.

[buoyant wagon]

it's rather hard to believe that he insists having the numbers available wont help him at all

[spice bronze]

what kinda of "change" you make is worse??

[buoyant wagon]

sure if he was powdersnow levels of hands that'd be a different story

[spice bronze]

you know better mechs and try harder back attack

how is that getting worse??

[faint grove]

you could change rotas, change gears, change prios, lots of things?

[queen grail]

MVP meter can give a tiny pointer, let's say 8 man content, I can do AMAZING on my supporter but have 3 non-hands dps in my group that aren't doing jack and thus giving me bad rank compared to the other support, but If I had a detailed list over my Brand uptime, AP and ZUptime then I'd know how I did.

[sand marsh]

i raid with people who are really good and they provide empericial evidence to me all the time. doesn't help me in the slightest.

[spice bronze]

that could do on trixion lmao?

[faint grove]

who gives a fuck about trixion dps lmao

[supple parrot]

Cept scalp literally uses meter

[quiet igloo]

Korea?

[buoyant wagon]

does it not help you because you dont bother to try to actually analyze them and make corrections

[supple parrot]

He just pretend he don’t

[spice bronze]

as long as yoru dps is not lossing

[buoyant wagon]

[quiet igloo]

[supple parrot]

But he accidentally said things that definitely proves he uses meter multiple times

[buoyant wagon]

that's just willingly not using the information available

[queen grail]

I mean, at the end of the day nothing will help if you don't want to improve upon it or if you somehow hit your plateau of skills.

[sand marsh]

no. they have screenshared and told me certain things. but knowing something, and doing something are two different things.

[faint grove]

sure trixion has a godtier rota that is the best 100% of the time, doesnt mean its the best in a raid, and it doesnt mean its the best for you personally as a player.

[supple parrot]

Scalp has said multiple times info that could only get

[spice bronze]

in real raid u just improve of knowing the fight and back ttack if you playing back attack and that's it

[queen grail]

But I think peoples "Peak level" Is a lot higher than what people think

[supple parrot]

If he was using meter

In real time

[spice bronze]

there is noway u could do worse if u keep playibnfg\

[sand marsh]

and half of what they told me, are things i already know lmao

[supple parrot]

Why u pretend like

[queen grail]

You for sure could, bad habits can be formed and ingrained in your playstyle.

[supple parrot]

U don’t use meter

[sand marsh]

wdym

[supple parrot]

Kinda weird ngl

It’s just like how u pretend u don’t wear a wig

[sand marsh]

why u pretend ur f2p

what the

[supple parrot]

No one cares bruh

[queen grail]

If you form bad habits and you don't have any idea that you're doing so because you don't have the information on it, then those bad habits will just dig deeper into you and make you a worse player after playing longer @spice bronze

[supple parrot]

This is a safe space

[quiet igloo]

Nobody cares ab his hair either

[sand marsh]

u still think i use a wig

[spice bronze]

i mean, just dont compare with that other team

[sand marsh]

u funny

[tiny sage]

Damn still coping elixir and thaemine at 17

[supple parrot]

That’s the most random comment

I’ve seen

[queen grail]

The MVP list shows the raid, so no way of knowing how well you did unless you have external information or just trust in yourself that you did the best you could but that can be hit or miss.

[faint grove]

this argument is dead you're not going to convince them with logic so just give up, its joever.

[quiet igloo]

How is it random if you mentioned his hair

Chuan

[queen grail]

It's joover.

[quiet igloo]

Are you getting too old?

[supple parrot]

I’m talking about the dude who randomly said something about thaemine and elixir

[sand marsh]

I prefer looking at my own footage. i know it may seem like more effort, but it just helps me more than numbers. i've noticed many more things that i didn't.

[supple parrot]

[quiet igloo]

Sure buddy

[supple parrot]

Reading comprehension is hard

[supple parrot]

[quiet igloo]

It is definitely

[tulip charm]

i hit gud

[quiet igloo]

Especially for racists like you

[spice bronze]

if you know you have bad habits why you need meter to solve your habit

[queen grail]

Imagine if you had both.

[supple parrot]

Zheng is prime example

[quiet igloo]

[queen grail]

You don't know you have bad habits?

[supple parrot]

Of why everyone should use meter

[queen grail]

[sand marsh]

trust me, i've tried going off meter data. plenty of times. it just doesn't do it for me.

[supple parrot]

Zheng literally says the randomest things that’s completely wrong

Cuz he doesn’t use meter

[tulip charm]

[supple parrot]

[keen copper]

feel like people are just being contrarian for no reason

[supple parrot]

They are

[tulip charm]

sometimes ye, but if you do it the old fashioned way without meter sometimes you still have a pretty good feel for things

[spice bronze]

meter on my static is only for fun, compete each other, but talk about improvement, it only helps, but not absolute

[supple parrot]

But u don’t and u have proved this many times

[queen grail]

So it helps?

[supple parrot]

[sand marsh]

this is especially the case for my staggerbot builds. meter in that circumstance definietly doesn't help. you have to formulate that based upon footage, stagger values, etc.

[supple parrot]

I remember that one time where u we’re praising this dude in chat saying he is pumping when ur literally doing 30% more dmg than him

Felt like u we’re mocking him

[spice bronze]

like if you want the gem prio go see your real fight dps% so you can equi better gem first

[supple parrot]

[queen grail]

What?

[buoyant wagon]

[spice bronze]

dmg per skill

[faint grove]

hes getting baited back in

[tulip charm]

i just take advice from u guys using meter and adjust on what i can, other than that just hit buttons

its usually enough, until it isn't enough

[queen grail]

No I'm jumping off this train wreck of a conversation.

I don't need a graph to tell me It's time to do dailies.

[supple parrot]

But u don’t take advice. Ur solution to having abysmal uptime on syn on peacemaker is switching to tth

[tulip charm]

[spice bronze]

like u playing a shadow hunter you could only do this much, does meter increase your dps? no

[keen copper]

jesus christ

[prime wind]

what uptime on synergy, do u try to use all your 7 dmg skills or something

[queen grail]

@faint grove Best skill in the game.

[supple parrot]

He only runs 1 syn and he doesn’t switch back to pistol

[tulip charm]

plus i did want to try out the the playstyle, its easier to maintain syn, plus tth uses less gems than pm

[supple parrot]

That often

[buoyant wagon]

this is some low quality bait

[prime wind]

[bitter lichen]

yes it does

[faint grove]

theres a gunslinger only running 1 syn? bruh

[tulip charm]

but, there was a issue with this
i thought, tth was like, you lose your 2 strongest shotgun skills, but gain like 50% rifle dmg

they lied

[queen grail]

@tulip charm Wait, you don't have double synergy on GS?

[tulip charm]

you gained like 10% rifle dmg

[supple parrot]

Yes but it’s ur weakest alt now eh

[queen grail]

My guy, you get 45% Crit.

Are you high?

[tulip charm]

yea that too

massive crit

[queen grail]

And that means?

You can go SPEC over Crit Stat.

[faint grove]

gunslinger stagger is already shit, tth stagger is

[tulip charm]

but youd think all that spec scaling on rifle would be way more higher dmg, it wasn't

[queen grail]

TTH stagger is strong, this is actually fake

[tulip charm]

[supple parrot]

Tth literally brings nothing to the table

[queen grail]

If your TTH player is doing bad stagger.

That's skill issues.

[prime wind]

might as well play the cool pistoleer

[supple parrot]

My gunlancer does more dmg than tth while having 2x the stagger and destru

[sand marsh]

nah a GS can do pretty good stagger. can even run a staggerbot build for it

[supple parrot]

With taunt and shield

[sand marsh]

[faint grove]

[spice bronze]

that class does no dmg

[queen grail]

The Stagger MVP there is my TTH GS.

[faint grove]

pistoleer does pretty good damage

[queen grail]

[prime wind]

pistoleer has really good floor

kinda like ss

[supple parrot]

If u literally build for stagger sure but then u won’t do dmg

[queen grail]

build for stagger?

[faint grove]

gs doesn't do damage anyways

[sand marsh]

yeah but he was sayin its bad. its not that bad

[spice bronze]

not for avg obviously

[supple parrot]

They do. If u are good

[tulip charm]

can't tell if trolling

[queen grail]

You legit just swap one tripod on AT and don't hold your skills.

[faint grove]

mid at best.

[sand marsh]

yeah for brel bus

g3

[queen grail]

You don't have to build for stagger.

[supple parrot]

80% of specs are mid

[queen grail]

TTH GS has stagger.

[supple parrot]

That’s not saying much

[queen grail]

Just stop holding your skills like some

[sand marsh]

u do need a stagger build if you are doing to bus it what the

[faint grove]

yes but 80% of specs doesnt include hard to play, ultra squsihy and zstagger.

[queen grail]

Sure, but we are talking general stagger.

[faint grove]

not that is that hard to play once you're used to it but

its high risk no reward

[sand marsh]

yeah and what im saying is, if it can staggerbot - it does good stagger. an example of low stagger would be souleater.

[queen grail]

Anyways, TTH is sexier, Sniper all day everyday.

[supple parrot]

it’s like playing invoker in dota2. No matter how much they nerf it ppl will still play

[queen grail]

https://tenor.com/view/sniper-pubg-loading-sniper-reload-gif-15505006

https://tenor.com/view/anime-jormungand-sniper-lutz-gif-15960747

[spice bronze]

gunslinger needs a rework

this class does zdps

[queen grail]

True, TTH should remove their pistol too.

And unlock 4 Unique Sniper skills that gives counter & mobility.

[supple parrot]

It does not do zdps in actual raid setting

[faint grove]

you know when i take a gunslinger to ivory my first thought is "now i need to take a decent stagger class to make up for them", and they don't have any redeeming factors to make up for their lack of utility which is a shame.

[supple parrot]

If it does then it’s skill issue

[tulip charm]

u just have to take my word for it, tth is z stagger below average des

[spice bronze]

its not even worth to practice the class, no mater how u try, se 1 burst is gonna beat your whole rotation

[tulip charm]

thats just facts

[queen grail]

stop playing with bad gs' that don't use skills for stagger.

[faint grove]

i play gs myself, their stagger is bad

thats it.

its bad.

[queen grail]

Maybe you're bad, did you check the book

[supple parrot]

I mean that is literally 80% of classes compared to se

[faint grove]

yeah you can spec 10 points into having "mid at best stagger" and now their dps gets lowered even more, great.

[tulip charm]

idk what else i can tell u on this, but there is barely any tth players to begin with

[spice bronze]

gs stagger IS bad in general

[tulip charm]

so maybe people jsut dont know

[queen grail]

I mean, I don't have issues in Ivory on my GS.

[faint grove]

yeah i dont either

[supple parrot]

Tth sounds ass. If I play gs I would play pm for sure

[prime wind]

its not bad, but its not reliable. because you are cycling thru skills or have to save skills. kinda like how glaivier is great for countering because she always has it up

[faint grove]

but imagine a scenario where you ran 3 gunslingers

you'd be hjaving massive issues

[spice bronze]

its like if you play anyother op class you could take wayy much lower risk but doing higher dps compare to gs

[queen grail]

I'd never run 3 of any class tho.

That's like saying "Imagine if you run 3 db's".

You would never get past G2.

[faint grove]

its a hypothetical scenario to prove how shit their stagger is, thats it

[tulip charm]

its...kind of weird, there are situation where tth can be out perform pm, but those raids aren't common, like g3 brel tth is better than pm

[supple parrot]

Ppl play gs cuz they like the play style

[tulip charm]

mainly because you only have like 3 seconds to do the dmg before boss goes dr

[spice bronze]

yea ofc then for what then, but im talking about the dps

[supple parrot]

Dps is mid in raids. As are 80% of the specs that aren’t op

[tulip charm]

tth is easier to play compared to pm, also easier to maintain synergy

and slightly cheaper too

[queen grail]

I mean, unless I remember wrong, the stagger statue in Kaya insta staggers with 1 hit, so can't be that terrible.

[spice bronze]

90% of class has better dps than gs

[faint grove]

kaya is not a stagger heavy dungeon

[prime wind]

the appeal of gs is that u are very mobile and are hitmaster. definitely want 9/10 cds for it to feel good as a class

[tulip charm]

they even recently buffed tth on the main engraving, but its still underperforming i think, could use another small buff or 2, anyone on their pm gs right? do me a favor and take a screenshot of your gs spec stats with the details?

[faint grove]

point is more that gs is bad utlity and they need others to make up for them and they dont even have above average dps, its a class that overall weighs down a party technically.

[supple parrot]

In trixion yes. Not in real raids

[queen grail]

True, but It's 1 skill and lots of classes like my Summoner needs two most of the time on that statue.

I'll check next time I run Ivory and I can see again how I do and with what classes in my raid.

I think I'm running them on Sunday so we can see then

[spice bronze]

gs is worse in real raids, cuz you have such long animation and nonstop casting rotation

[supple parrot]

If ur bad yes

[faint grove]

i dont gatekeep gunslingers but it is a really bad class rn

[queen grail]

Why are we here, only to suffer

[supple parrot]

Good gs does find dmg. Just don’t take shitty alts

They won’t do shit

[prime wind]

its because ppl dont even use dextrous quickstep or rage runes

[queen grail]

I try to avoid db's and sorc's in Ivory

[faint grove]

good gs finds average damage at best, they can hit every skill perfectly and still wont be at the top.

[prime wind]

so a lot of ppl who play gs are casting for years

[spice bronze]

wdym, u dont even read my point, what i said is even u done perfect rotations but u still gonna fall down after 90% of class hits their rotations too

[prime wind]

but gs mains are generally good

[quiet igloo]

High swift tth

[supple parrot]

I mean define what average dmg is in something like Akkan g3

Hm

[ivory perch]

Why they didnt give Wei in the small legendary selectors , but ll be just three cards away from@los30 😞😞😞

[tulip charm]

this is a thing, but i have never seen one

not yet

[faint grove]

dbs are supposed to be peak dps yet they all do zdps

[quiet igloo]

My gs is 1520 but she's running high swift

It's quite fun

[queen grail]

Sadly yes.

[queen grail]

Full Swift Dom TTH has higher stagger than PM

[faint grove]

my fav classes to pick are high utlity and normal damage

[spice bronze]

play for fun, thats the end game

[wind dagger]

winners win

[prime wind]

luterra

[spice bronze]

crit swift gunslinger goat

[queen grail]

[spice bronze]

its gonna be kakul

[tulip charm]

let me see if there is a slightly difference, make a frog during reset ill come on my gs, it went from 0 set to 40 set from the event elixir chest

[thorn sluice]

Luterra Chad card

[wind dagger]

Ill see after this chaos dungeon

[spice bronze]

ended up worse than card exp

[supple parrot]

[prime wind]

luterra before armen story
luterra after armen story

[supple parrot]

Do I go sup or dps

[spice bronze]

ambers are scam

[tulip charm]

i don't think its even gonna beat your gunlancer

[full igloo]

My ring sold in the end for 69k so people do main aero

[tulip charm]

but it might not be fighter anymore, maybe low upright now

[faint grove]

slayer, zerk, scrapper, reflux, pistoleer, destroyer, gunlance, breaker?, are my premium class choices right now when it comes to being overall solid with decent utility

[tulip charm]

not 100% sure, haven't froged after i got the elixirs

[prime wind]

what ring?

[queen grail]

Zerkers. More like Zdpers.

[prime wind]

purple aero class rings still go for like 100k+ if they're good

[full igloo]

90 quality WF 3 Ether predator 6 move reduction 3

[queen grail]

@full igloo

[full igloo]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/922351008724701205/1166013061757403236/artistDance2.gif?width=676&height=676

[thorn sluice]

[queen grail]

I honed my Bard to 1610 @full igloo 4 tap and 5 tapped my wep to 16 17.

[spice bronze]

i see alot of +25 weapon aeromancer on my server

[queen grail]

I was quite a bit under average for the full hone too

[full igloo]

[faint grove]

always lucky

[prime wind]

aero still popular, nice that they got some buffs as well

[spice bronze]

these ppl play for fun, not for dps

respect

[queen grail]

She stole my luck @faint grove

[bitter lichen]

[queen grail]

Getting the ring in my kaya that was my gold

[sleek pasture]

anyone got any idea when we get next neria store?

[queen grail]

jk jk grats on the sale @full igloo

[full igloo]

[wind dagger]

Got a Valtan card

[spice bronze]

+2300 exp

[wind dagger]

[thorn sluice]

[wind dagger]

I need Valtan for KLC

[full igloo]

[spice bronze]

oh, u dont have valtan full awakening?

[supple parrot]

gunlancer isnt too bad, if patterns are good i can get close to 30mil

[queen grail]

Did froggo after on her and boom 10k from Fate.

[spice bronze]

daily resets after 6 mins

[faint grove]

only classes i strongly dislike to take are summoner, artillerist and strikers.

[supple parrot]

[queen grail]

well duck you too.

[thorn sluice]

[spice bronze]

at least striker brings syn

[supple parrot]

arti is solid safe pick

[queen grail]

My summoner is doing well for what gear she has! @faint grove

[faint grove]

arti griefs almost every raid

[supple parrot]

[faint grove]

just so they can sit in their stupid chair

[thorn sluice]

In hanumatan , ye

[supple parrot]

not after the last patch

[queen grail]

??? She's 1580+

[supple parrot]

wheelchair is done in 2 seconds

[tulip charm]

[queen grail]

I only got one alt left.

[faint grove]

i dont think they're bad classes but i have bad experiences with all of them

all the time.

[thorn sluice]

[tulip charm]

why dodge, just stand your ground

[spice bronze]

ive seen 1620 arti doing botton dps compare to 1610s

[tulip charm]

[queen grail]

If you like Utility you should bring CO Summoner They give debuffs, they give mana, they can quickly dish out lots of weak points @faint grove

[spice bronze]

like, always like that

[queen grail]

What's not to love?

[faint grove]

you know how cancer g1 akkan becomes when you have a wheelchair boi?

[queen grail]

And their pet does like 30% of their damage and that's auto damage.

[faint grove]

akkan g1 alone has made me hate artillerists.

a lot

[tulip charm]

what you need is recruit 1 arti in both parties

then its infinite red aoe spawns

[supple parrot]

just kill it

[thorn sluice]

Why ?

[tulip charm]

actually i don't do this, but its funny seeing it still

[faint grove]

no idea maybe? every summ i've played with has been dead weight so far.

[queen grail]

See, around 30% of the damage is pretty much on auto

I mean, CO is weaker than other classes for sure.

But they aren't total trash cans

Just need hands

And they are getting buffed soon

[faint grove]

yeah i'm sure class is fine

just built a bias against those 3 from a lot of negative experiences

[tulip charm]

needs some more buffs, like steal some buffs from se/reaper/breaker and give it to arti

[spice bronze]

arti only good before legion commander

[supple parrot]

kinda boring now that i have nothing to hone

[tulip charm]

send 1 char for frog after chaos gate, i do want to field test this

[wind dagger]

LOGINNN DAILIES

[tulip charm]

going from 0 to 40 surely makes a difference

prob better if you send dps

[queen grail]

Btw, @full igloo Look what hit last night before sleep

[tulip charm]

gratz

[supple parrot]

ur gs did 17 mil last time in frog

[queen grail]

Thanks.

[queen grail]

Also, if you see CO players with +1 MS then they can dish out even more Weak point

[faint grove]

luckily summ is rare

don't have to deal with them often

artis though

they're everywhere

[supple parrot]

i havent seen a sum main in a while

[faint grove]

my most recent memory of summ was in g2 ivory where he was incapable of countering one of the clone dragons for whatever reason

took him 4 tries

[supple parrot]

[queen grail]

Time to play! What's her gearscore and what weapon does the owner of this have?

[supple parrot]

@tulip charm ill go paly for ur gs

[faint grove]

thats a good bracelet even if it looks trash

[prime wind]

tell us his crit %

[tulip charm]

let see how this goes

[supple parrot]

he is tth now

i mean zheng is juiced 21 weapon

40 elixir

[prime wind]

i mean he also said zerker is b tier

[tulip charm]

might still fighter

[supple parrot]

zerker c tier

[queen grail]

I mean, ye, It's not bad, but, the guy Is juiced out of his mind on gear all 10's / 25 wep / 1630++.

[faint grove]

gonna see some fat numbers assuming hes not a spec class, probably what he wants