#lost-ark-discussions
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what u want sharpie or crayon


Wasted it tho
Guaranteed at least one MF will give you some
bet
Divines are chump change
yeah
fuck
I watched a video ab a 50 mirror nado shot build
imagine not wanting begging shits every second in chat
i need a vpn but my vpn sub ran out

just resub?
shuttup
Which VPN?
Proton VPN is freeish
I use PIA
idk why I even pay for it anymore, i havent used it in ages
I used to torrent heaps
my plex setup is pretty lit tho
nord
Ewww
better than 20 subs to crappy providers

Pia is where its at lad
Can't say it
they arent amused
of course
Id never ask for divines (I've done it like ten times)
gib 1 divine pls

this league sucked
i wait new league
i made over 300 divines casually doing white maps
Twelve dollars a month?
Is that normal?
For a vpn
You quit before I could play w you

@dark raft 
divines and mirrors are giga printed on this league i dont want uber easy crap
Why?
how do i get this
And the league mech makes shit way harder
im lvl 2 no shit noones forcing me
Super annoying when you accidentally enter the forest
i was talking to koko
he asked me why i didnt play

wat is it
Idk
Fish
I don't
thats what ive been doing
you will eventually get it
k getting back off that
last epoch looks goodge
Oh
i WANNA try last epoch so fkn bad
Hopefully the rage tech doesn't get removed next league
Dude it's so nice
Free berserk
Pls ggg
Don't
control glaivier too much dmg
I want to play games in general. But then I sit at PC and stare at it blankly 
these are ass
na its not that
playing games for like 30m whilst exhausted just isnt appealing
weak
truth
steam summer sale soongeeeee!!!
im washed up


ive been cooking lots
._.

collecting stamps
cooking is a good hobby, and it makes nice food
Or car
hit the gymnasium
which 1
I played the fuck outa it a few years back
oh, nayrootoe
Was really good at it too
Hey guys. Have you ever made an Enzyme? No? Me neither. But I have made a Hormone.
I was told PC version has issues w hackers tho
I typed that shit bro

Whats the best type of air to breath if you wanna be rich? Millionaire
i played it on xbox and online was broken for like week at launch
then i uninstalled
Uh
Oxygenated air
So I don't die

What the fuck
What causes dry skin? A towel

Take your meds
Last epoch?
Yesterday I was washing the car with my son. He said, "Dad, cant you just use a sponge?"
Give last epoch
touch my last epoch
give dragons dogma 2
shinobi striekr
I’ll shid on u
ima eat it all

It's really fun wym
Well it is now
Idk ab it's launch
Comboing people to death is hilarious
I used to three/four stack
Def made people uninstall

Ohhhh geez I’m so pregnant
@nova garden https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aG5NVkwLlaE
Lost Ark is an mmorpg that advocates bussing in which players can sell clear to other players. At the same time, there are other websites that sell these clears for real money. Gold ingame however, can be translated into money as well so it is no different whether people buy clear ingame or not. Kanima disagrees with the practice of bussing in t...

would you pay RC for a clear

Why not?
If yall don’t stop linking kanima videos im suing
God I hate reaction content farmers


I want a button on the legion raids screen that gives me the loot but I pay for it w rc
Like
I don't gotta ride bus
the way kanima talks makes me want to kms in game sometimes
Just buy it
Sameeeee
I was trying to say this as well

rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

LMAOOO

I'll reinstall for breaker express then uninstall
Uh

Yeah he’s gonna be so hot
beaker express means another 1415 lopang aero alt 
breeeeakuhh
Mmmmm gojo
I dont even know who that is i just search him up
9 more taps for +20 
Spoilers gg now I can't watch anime ever again

dumbledore killed harry potter
Why did you spoil gojo dies? It literally just happened in the manga and changed the entire shift and world building of JJK 


What
can we ban azreal
Why
hes not dead just make breaker with his preset 
“Shit anime, reads manga weekly on release” 
Fuck off
Nah he kinda got a point ngl
There's 0 character development

Just this guy does this thing and he beat that guy up by doing this
The main villain and gojo both have character development
Also now this guy has this new power blah blah
Why's the emo guy all of a sudden able to just break into domains

No they don't
Bro it’s so well written even nanami’s abs have character development 
pog the man antagonist and protagonist have character development 
That's the other thing the hottest chick in the show is a dude
I just realized what your name said after trying to figure it out for 3 days. I swear I thought it was Lemon

Is it not lemon

Wait
I did not figure it out
Chris you absolute goof ball
What the fuck
It use to be I3m0n


THR LOWERCASE I WAS TRIPPIN ME
All you can think about is D 
ye its suppose to be I3m0n
Same shape kinda
it fits u
Life is full of subliminal dicks!!!
Based
bootleg ass lemon

are u home or at work
Work

It's Friday 
no its saturday
no its patrick
Shut up chuan


Nope

I'll bless them in year 5 of loa

Oh shit I'm 
Shouldn't have been there to begin with

how u know those are from bots
could be bunch of kids in some third world country farming gold by hand
same i would be 1650 f2p
I need one too

whats the difference 
Not necessarily
one is tos, one isnt 
Rmt is rmt
selling gold for irl money is against tos whether hand farmed or not

ya but they dont do shit about it as there isnt a way to prove it either way, the way they ban is they ban based on flow of botted gold


surely 10mil accessory sold is someone bussing for months on 24 chars each week then funneling that to another account

if ur friend quit and give u all their gold via ah or something, should that be bannable for rmt
i think it should
but they dont

If they give you gold and there is no money transaction, it's just giving gold through AH, people do that every day with busses.
This is where the problem with RMT goes, how is AGS sure there was money transaction involved, they don't most of the time.
I'm pretty sure they do it by tracking bot farming gold and continue to track that gold until it fall on a player hand.
those almost certainly aren't actual gold sales
far more likely to be gold sellers transferring gold between themselves
virtually no reputable gold seller would straight up do a 10m gold AH sale to a buyer, it would be broken up into smaller amounts or laundered through mats like sidereals
If they give you gold and there is no money transaction, it's just giving gold through AH, people do that every day with busses.
This is where the problem with RMT goes, how is AGS sure there was money transaction involved, they don't most of the time.
I'm pretty sure they do it by tracking bot farming gold and continue to track that gold until it fall on a player hand.
how u gonna prove if there is money transaction? only way to ban for this type of stuff is to ban all 
they are basically agreeing with you on that point chuan
10/10 reading comprehension skills
that's the thing, they can't prove it so they do it differently by tracking the generation of gold through botting, player reports ( most of those reports are useless tho ) and their own data.
Of course they have have many different way to track it
anything that is player generated they don't track
but overall there's no way to be sure someone spend money to get gold
ya which does nothing for most cases of rmt 
because tracking it is a complete waste of time when they can never reliably prove there was money exchanged
Agree
with botted gold there's far more of an accurate inference that it was a monetary transaction
the best thing they can do is yapp about abnning rmt when they wont do shit to scare ppl to buy in game curreny 
that way player count doesnt go down and more in game currency gets bought 
nobody is ever going to use the ingame exchange when there's a 3 day hold and it's at least 60% less inefficient
at best they need to go the CN route and make a lot of competitive honing material packages
newplayers will
but i suspect they dont want to do that out of fear that the cash shop is going to get criticized as being too p2w
bc they wont know shit
if only our account was tied to an idendity card and punishing identity thievery for an mmo was a thing handled by each government.
there would be far less bots.

account creation tied to national identity will never fly in the west
not to mention there being over a dozen countries serviced in the west, which makes such a system infeasible
nah its simple, just openly say they will ban for any out of place gold transactions.
but they wont
cuz they pussies
u sell random gem for more gold than its worth? ban
sell random accesory? ban
problem solved

Yeah the system is too annoying in the west due to every different viewpoint we have on it.
But never say never in those situation
.
Humanity always surprise us.
mail gold? ban
how the fuck are you going to automate it
anything that doesnt have 2x meta engraving
is a ban
dont give a fuck
if u get falsely banned
fuck u
that's a very oppresive way to handle it, it's a video game in the end ...
ppl will start to quit then 
if u want to solve a problem that cant be solved
@dawn yacht
kog ruining game by going ap with this comp
then u gotta be oppresive
xdd

easy way to get people to quit the game when you are that oppressive lmao
i lend gold to friends in mail so they can buy something and they pay back so thatd suck to get banned for
How many 1620 + ppl will quit if they do that 
probably all of them 
grandma just minused 4 on my luminary purple elixir, great game
nobody wants to hear the truth that kmmo developers tacitly allow rmt in their games because they know without rmt nobody would fucking play their games lol
?
it's far too much work and trouble to crack down on player to player transactions
for too little gain
what i say may sound very oppresive, but honestly it would not affect normal game play at all
it would fuck over bussers but w/e it is what it is
id be more inclined to play if there was less rmt
Smilegate makes alittle money off me and i get to make alittle money of smilgate sounds reasonable 
the top paying demographics of these type of games all engage in rmt
i dont 
if they ban rmt gl finding thaemin hard lobbies 
I don't
paying
but im f2p
arent you f2p
therefore you aren't part of the demographic that the developers truly care about

ultimate starter pack has cool mount 
you don't think developers and publishers haven't done the analysis and concluded that going too hard against rmt is usually a net loss for them?
this starter packs are kinda trash lol
these game designs essentially encourage you to rmt, just the developers prefer you use the ingame shop
Using Wei during x0 Vykas is more effective on the real version rather than the clone, or it's just a hoax?
there is a saying in chinese, if a pond is too clean then there wouldnt be fish 
Deserved
but they can't stop you from trading with other players because it is impossible to police without making the game a nazi surveillance state
unless the game has no trading to begin with, then it just becomes piloting instead
exactly 
classic zheng
next thing you know he's gonna drop his 4th sidereal
classic zheng
people meme on NA rmt when it's just as bad if not worse in Korea and China, with the only caveat being they dont have nearly as many bots due to their account creation restrictions (which wont work in our version)
man i love rapport quests
and SG/Tencent gives about as less of a shit as AGS does
You can't openly state that you're rmting in na
You can in kr

korean don't need bots when the rice farmer have 2 account with 24 char so 48 char to play and farm gold with.
not even a joke
Proper big farm in indo with 20 computers
I wouldn't say encourage. RMT is a by-product of botting being more lucrative than legally spending in the shop because the shop isn't heavily pay2win
better than slaving on a rubber plantation
true
specifically, you're encouraged to spend your way out of progression issues
Don't be born there
botting doesnt cause rmt
and if you care about value, rmt is the most efficient way to do it
rmt there with bots or without
damn why do ppl born to be poor
would you have far more motivation to rmt in gw2/ff14 or lost ark
its about time efficiency, why would I grind 40 hours in loa when I can spend 2 hours wage and have more efficient progression than that 40 hours
the funniest thing is how ppl on NA will cry about how CN gets more stuff, when they literally get nothing for free, u gotta pay for everything 
and they would not be ok with that

thats what im sayin 
like its a no brainer
china has better community management and communication and that's pretty much it
I did RMT on Dofus, an old french mmo. And I did it for years as a child, teenager and a youngster.
Luckily I grow up and learn to enjoy games the way they are or just quit the game.
Botting does cause rmt. If Lost Ark had shop bundles that were 3$ and could be bought 100 times while reseting every 2 weeks and could easily get you 1655. People wouldn't rmt

ya
Unless it was cheaper 
the threat of being banned might keep some people legitimately buying from the shop, but one day they will take the risk once they see the diff in prices
loa shop is a rip off
this is why Tencent's solution is the smartest
in comparison to what you can gain
make a lot of extremely competitively priced packages you can buy
so you make money off of that
just stay f2p like me, be patient and hone with bounds
but silently turn a blind eye to people buying gold
because they're going to do it anyways
instead they just farm the bozos that just buy the overpriced to make up for it
theres a small subsection of the playerbase that will still buy out the full loa shop every event
very few games have a meaningful ban threat for buying gold
and thats that
the punishments are almost never strict enough to be a meaningful deterrent
those few players that whale hardcore on the in game shop keep them going
even POE devs said that their biggest profits come from the giga whales with far less than average playtime
finally
people with 10k hours like chuan dont make them profit

agreed, they even had a system to clear endgame raids by paying with blue crystals but the rice eaters in korea didnt like it so they removed it and here we are, bussing culture takin over
these companies have all done the cynical calculus that banning gold buyers loses them more money (because gold buyers are people who spend on the game and therefore they overlap with people who spend in the ingame shop) than people quitting because of unpunished gold buying costs them
sorry it took so long, my farmers are slow this month

f2p like me are in the game to make whales feel good, cuz they have more gear than me.
and i play for free. its a symbiotic relationship
i mean, look at WoW
in games where rmt is common its either time whale or money whale for progression
famous for their 2 week gold buying suspensions, which didnt do shit and didn't catch most people
theres no sweet spot
without f2p like me in the games, whales dont have anyone to flaunt to 
dont u regularly outdmg whales? you arent doing your part well enough 
if you cant commit 40+ hours a week to loa you fall behind
how many times u think i out dps someone, and they go swipe more, prob a lot
unless you made a char in jump i spose, so thats getting better
im making ags more money
but you are replaceable chuan
all makes sense now
you can be replaced by any random player who sticks around for a few hundred hours
someone who drops thousands is less replaceable
hi Im new, how to unlock glaivier?
bussing culture always gonna be a thing when people experience gatekeeping, lazy, or just wanna clear content without playing the game.
as long as you have to raid to progress
there will be bussing culture
there are far too many players without the time or hands to constantly raid
you select it when you talk to beatrice after making your female fighter
just bring back click to clear raids
smg gets the money and not the bussers
so it has to be female fighter?

yes
does anyone quit from unpunished gold buying 
not in meaningful numbers
PR stunt
because most people just suck it up because it's been a fact of mmo gaming for decades
mmos have never been fair when time and money have always been part of the equation
i dont think 90 island soul is that bad noiw
icy's guildmate got a 3 day vacation
that guy is a 1650
that's like the only example given by anyone in this discord
i didnt get banned so take that however you will 
there's an alternative explanation for why the bans are so short
because of the people getting caught, they only had a low proportion of botted gold compared to hand farmed gold
and the system only flags botted gold
most of the gold in circulation is hand farmed gold, to the point botters buy it to supplement their stocks and resell
ppl in this game are so stupid lol
of course, the other more popular explanation is AGS doesnt really give that much of a shit and there's no financial incentive for them to give heavier punishments
its not easy to trace washed gold lol, in real life banks spends millions on a system with fuzzy logic to trace money laundering/frauds
any game with an unrestricted marketplace or face to face trading is a logistical nightmare to monitor
if you want to trace a transaction that went through the hoops imagine the effort you must put
just implement it
even my rice cooker has fuzzy logic to help me cook rice better
your mom has fuzzy logic?
sounds about right


wdym, rice cookers literally have fuzzy logic
to adjust temperture
to cook rice better

Of course let’s say you use someones credit card to buy a bunch of skins you sell them and your friends post preemtive strike accs ao can benefit on other server go get him
credit card fraud is a lot easier to catch

because eventually when a chargeback gets initiated you just have to look at the account that made the purchase
Yes it is but does the person who posts t3 accs get caught when gold comes from skins and we getting so much free pheons to trade with
i remember when australian banks get 1 billion fine anti money laundering suddenly got big in finance sector

if you're receiving credit card fraud gold, yeah that's highly likely for a ban
but credit card fraud gold is extremely uncommon to nonexistent these days
it likely wasn't ever that big to begin with

china is the home of selling stolen credit cards to buy ingame currency and they dont even have a 3 day gold hold
which begs the question as to why we have it
cuz someone on ags want to put that one line in their pfr
then again, people would actually burn the game down there if there was a 3 day hold
3 days is nonsense majority of ppl don’t check cards for weeks
^
been saying that for a while
your average person doesnt even fucking check their card daily
"Help cuts down cc fraud from x% - y% due to preventative measure implemented such as"
if people checked their cards daily, credit card fraud wouldnt be such a massive industry
Thats why some get gold from chuan under 3hr delivery
Why is that?
And they have point system on debit card and stuff that’s basically same as credit card here
The only reason I use credit card is to get points
And fly for free


@rigid aurora its time
U pay everything with WeChat pay in China lol

Even street vendors and stuff
Just have a QR code
same thing here in taiwan with line pay
Ya
get tattoo of your qr code on your forehead so you can scan your forehead to pay
I guess ppl don’t trust credit cards in Asian countries 

o ur taiwanese?


i was born in the US

clueless communist chuan
communist chuan
i just visit taiwan every now and then
we the same
though this stay has been longer than usual because my dad is sick
heading back in a few days
Hope he get better soon

unfortunately its not something you get better from



The karaokes in tw were very sus
its all part of life

When I went
tell me abt it


Damn gotta get a train ticket to New York and act as illegal immigrant they giving free 10k and soon to be upgraded to 50k can buy some Steam gift cards
chuan probably got invited to a hostess one

those aren't public anyways
wdym not public
you usually need an invitation in by an insider
it was a huge building

and what kind of services did they have
so you go in, get a lineup, choose few and they come into your room?

because the red light ones are definitely not ones any random mook can walk into
you need a friend who is a regular to get you in
yikes chuan a degenerate like wrekk
whats the damage usually?
uh
well i did go with a local
i guess they go there all the time

but it didnt feel like a place
where u cant just walk in
it depends on the quality of the girls at the shop

f2p
howbout the high quality ones
ya thats legit
ask him if he did it with bounds only
nice weakass spec

i actuallt never went to ktv lol
if you want to go all the way with at least a 7 or 8/10 you're looking at 9k+ ntd on top of the cover charge of the establishment
none in aus
Yoo
so def a sus one 

which is usually like 3k+
spec bug its all 100 qual acc
nvm
12k usd?
taiwan red light prices at hostess establishments or outcall services are extremely expensive relative to the cost of living there
ntd
who got teemo
you're almost paying american prices
thats how much wrekk's massage cost 
wait thats pretty fair actually
it's fair if you are a westerner

it's expensive if you are a local lol
never know, people have shit stats
worth it


i've been to one in my last trip that was probably a middle tier establishment?

it was like 2-3k ntd per hour per person just to have the girls drink and sing with you


along with happy tugs
whats the extras cost?
but more than that you'd probably negotiate upwards to 9k+/hr
Where the ilvl?
cuz im f2p my ilvl too low
oh you have to negotiate?
only whales would hide ilvl
ya they drink and sing with u, and other stuff if uwant 

beyond a helping hand yeah
wrekk thought its just like his massages

the higher tier shops dont even give you a helping hand within the cover fee

there is a rest room in the room, u can take em in there 
🐳
negotiate with THIS unzips pants

but yeah you're looking at 200 usd upwards
gl removed from family picture soonge
Remove striker
300+ more commonly if you want someone in their early 20s and taiwanese (viets and thais cost less)
imagine removing gl and not striker

anyways lets change topic before mods bonk us
yeah
🐳
1620 will be the new 1540
but we just talking abt singing right
in a few months
i mean its like american idol convo
singing
drop em now while you are ahead

whos your fave singer
i like striker

yall like rihanna?
Instead muting they should add boobbot
no
i think what she has is god given talent
chris brown's greatest hits you mean
gl is 
i hear some indian billionaire hired her to perform for a wedding
i went to normal ktv too. the ktv in tw are a lot shittier than in china, cuz of the real estate
i mean it would have to be an indian billionaire to convince a woman to travel to india
the big ones in taipei like cash box are pretty nice
but yeah you cant really compare to ones in the tier 1 chinese cities
because china is obviously richer

EMPRESS dunking on india and pissing off her indian pirated games fanbase will never not be hilarious to me
thats the one i went to, it was trash compared to the ones in china lol

like the place or the singers have better voice and stuff?

in china the rooms are like twice as big, more ammentites and stuff 
Is there a nicer me in China?
establishments and furnishing
i thought taiwan girls bery good singers

ooh
i mean china have the land

i think there's a perception that mainland girls are louder and more aggressive
u mean ladyboys
while taiwanese girls are more quiet and cutesy


Sounds racist
its more that the tw accent is alot softer. esp compared to northern china
^
which tends to be more aggressive and loud sounding accent
yeah some of the mainland accents are rough/loud

i can't understand some of the accents completely

the southern ones tends to be quieter
imagine the sound of chuan yelling at rosey 



i dont mind rough in the bedge 
What does chuan sound like
wrekk, you should learn japanese and go to japan
with how much of a beating the yen is taking


yeah alot of establishment closes off if you dont speak japanese
I already do

learning the language is a pain
its the same in china if u dont speak chinese 
And move to Sweden
bro thats true
you only need english, chinese and maybe russian, everything else is useless 
how much we talkin
theres so many japanese girls rn


Why Russian 


racist ass Zheng at it again
i mean it's not wrong
you know if you delete the mods def see it
I'm going to learn Japanese so I can move to Japan.
^

Imagine
if you don’t delete it just gets spammed away
Saving discord clutter, space memory
is that lil chuankokos account?

nobody answered my question 
Help the mokoko
japan doesnt feel like a good place to live tbh 

someone else keep seeing these memes on twitter?
Lotta good food 
Talking about
do you guys go to ktv with western singers sometime? @supple parrot @buoyant wagon
zheng being racist again?
i feel like most of them is abit chubby
wait is zheng actually gone
Rosey, go afk!
Ofc, another day, another racist Zheng take

eastern girls are always in shape
weeb culture and lotta cosplayers too


lmfaoo
nvm
they are super anal about recycling and stuff, a lot of minor stuff thats annoying 
why would i do that
i would rather live in any other asian country prob 
wdym just follow the rules

Go live in Philippines


japan is a good place if ur japanese

















