lost-ark-discussions

[thorn sluice]

Im too old for searching new job this remote work in early 2000s was fantasy

[ancient tundra]

Let me jail u so u hate them

[indigo flax]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/440061362366971924/1210221762705367050/image.png?ex=65e9c5d9&is=65d750d9&hm=b7ae5b3f37518472580ad306e87639a187ed5ac3eb6224d52848fdd989a7c53d&

its out

[thorn sluice]

what is it

[still lintel]

https://tenor.com/bUVYP.gif

[indigo flax]

avatar

https://tenor.com/view/aang-the-last-airbender-gif-7980083

[thorn sluice]

im currently watching house of ninjas

[dim lark]

WAIT

ITS OUT?

[kind lotus]

parsha

[dim lark]

SHUT THE FUCK UP INTAK

[kind lotus]

https://tenor.com/view/watch-a-fat-cat-dance-an-american-dance-girlfriend-meme-gif-6193372123771306115

[dim lark]

WAIT IT IS OUT

HOLY

[thorn sluice]

why are you so upset

[kind lotus]

thats his way of saying ily

[dim lark]

true

[dim lark]

boomer

[thorn sluice]

[full igloo]

I got mine while covid quarrantine was just starting.

[still lintel]

@ancient tundra bro got mad from my reply so he replied with this to me in 2 threads

[full igloo]

[dim lark]

HOLY FIRST EPISODE ITS 1HR LONG

WHAT

[thorn sluice]

bro xD

[ancient tundra]

Lil bro madge asf

[thorn sluice]

i think you are literally jerking on that netflix serie tv atm

[bold aspen]

[still lintel]

they even made a 2nd vid about attacking wolfs

https://fxtwitter.com/WinterSurvSim/status/1760348668803391796

[bold aspen]

kill the avatar

[thorn sluice]

in the little country i live here in italy, this is daily content

[still lintel]

theres snow in italy?

[bold aspen]

yes ?

[thorn sluice]

i live in a little city near the mountains

i can reach ski resort in 20 min

max

there are a lot wolfs

[full igloo]

https://tenor.com/view/good-morning-snow-day-gif-24750086

[bold aspen]

NA would have made sense to ask a question like that.. but EU ?

[thorn sluice]

they search chickens cats etc

[bold aspen]

[thorn sluice]

many times it happens that farmers chase away wolves with sticks

[dawn yacht]

[thorn sluice]

this is how my little city looks like

[indigo flax]

all 8 eps

[prime wind]

dune 2 this weekend screw avatar

[indigo flax]

[full igloo]

look like a human who fall flat on the mountain

[balmy thunder]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/784195272947400757/1210223694803243068/image.png?ex=65e9c7a5&is=65d752a5&hm=958dbca00eb376f474169642be76848344b61be1f908d4f60d5b0db6674fdf72&

reroll or take 40%?

[indigo flax]

dont even know what a dune is so jokes on you sir

[still lintel]

only 8? how far its even covering?

[dim lark]

IM GOING INSANE, ITS ALREADY SO GOOD

[indigo flax]

im not sure but each ep is 50-60 mins

[thorn sluice]

ye

[prime wind]

i guess water/book 1?

[indigo flax]

DONT SPOIL I HAVENT WATCHED YET

[thorn sluice]

check this 1

[indigo flax]

im thinking maybe a bit more? cause seen stone benders on the trailer?

who knows

[prime wind]

well they said they tweaked the story so wouldnt be surprised

[indigo flax]

im just hyped to watch it, shit or not

imma support it

cause i love avatar

[prime wind]

i liked sozins comet tho always thought they put the story on a good time cycle of 1 year

[thorn sluice]

this 1 is located at 3/4 hours from where i am

[full igloo]

[thorn sluice]

Napoleon made that little city looks like a star for war defense

[full igloo]

to think it still stand today

[prime wind]

i have made breakfast u want some

[thorn sluice]

yep , it attracts a lot eu turists

[charred void]

[full igloo]

last excavating leaf is a quest I'm doing so I'm done with exca already

Nice !

[lime dove]

Horizontal enjoyers

[frail shard]

nah thanks im full already. enjoy!

what you having?

[prime wind]

gf is sick so i made pork watercress congee

[neat swan]

"enjoyers" chaos don't drop orehas

[frail shard]

wat

is dat

[prime wind]

uh rice porridge

[frail shard]

congee? some kind of porridge?

ah i see

[prime wind]

粥

[frail shard]

i thought of something else at first

gws for your gf

[kind lotus]

hope she gws

[prime wind]

i thought u woulda known what congee was but maybe u dont use the english word that much

[frail shard]

i dont

[nova garden]

wtf

AT&T is down

[frail shard]

im multitasking between wow and lost ark

[wind dagger]

justin has a gf

[charred void]

poor guy

[prime wind]

thats why i like 4 man content, more time for chores, touching grass, and cooking

[dull cairn]

sounds fun

[full igloo]

having to kick someone in valtan cuz they can't take the first orb

...

[neat swan]

just x2 wei

[bold aspen]

epic enjoyer

[tardy tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/elden-ring-goty-game-of-the-year-tarnished-arena-gif-27608440

[dawn yacht]

just get legendary

just have good rng

[bold aspen]

[full igloo]

no

[tardy tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/elden-ring-jet-gif-12783876636484072375

the mod you need

[dawn yacht]

what you on about bro

[prime wind]

[bold aspen]

[charred void]

fucking reforged mod so hard

[tardy tusk]

???

[tardy tusk]

Asceded lmao

[charred void]

sounds even more fun

sweaty neckbeards with 20k elden ring hours surely enjoy that

[tardy tusk]

I did not lmao

Literally need to speedrun to the grace after kill a boss or all of your rune begone

[tardy tusk]

and then is this mod that add a fucking basketball court map to play with friends

lol

[charred void]

god bless modders

[tardy tusk]

[ancient talon]

i think i just got a lucky room in cube

is the mega lucky room the gift box that gtives 6m silver?

or is there a giga secret room

[tardy tusk]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbHz4Ex9sCs and there is this.

[dull obsidian]

@iron kettle

see you in 6~ months

[tardy tusk]

@rigid aurora

[urban obsidian]

@dull obsidian

[dull obsidian]

Kimetsu mid no yaiba

[silver hollow]

Already?

[urban obsidian]

Real

[urban obsidian]

Wym already

[dull obsidian]

Medoo

KnY is dogshit

Animation carried

[urban obsidian]

Ishy

The real movie is the end of next month

Frfr

[dull obsidian]

We gonna start seeing Talk-no-Jutsu soon\

https://tenor.com/view/blue-archive-yostars-nexon-korea-south-korea-gif-7743678108870072357

[urban obsidian]

Rascal doesn’t dream of a whatever tf volume 9/10 are called I forgot

[dull obsidian]

fr fr

[urban obsidian]

Smth smth sister is 9

I don’t remember 10s name tho

[dull obsidian]

om

I'm gonna pity 24

[urban obsidian]

Oshy

I free tapped +18 gloves

[dull obsidian]

wdf

gg

[urban obsidian]

I’m pitying 19/20 wep now

gg

[obtuse oyster]

Xddd

[prime wind]

thats what anime is supposed to be

look what happened to blue lock and its freeze frame anime

[dull obsidian]

I thought blue lock was pretty good

I wasn't really into sports anime

but I managed to watch through it all

[urban obsidian]

I’ve watched

Kuroko

And haikyu

[prime wind]

yeah pretty much everything about it other than the animation itself is good

good VA good music

if the flashy action scenes were done by like the link click ppl it would be so good

haikyuu good, one of the anime/manga that starts ok but gets better and better

[iron kettle]

I'm only back cuz of merge

[urban obsidian]

Yeh

[prime wind]

good payoff, fun characters, gigachad miya atsumu

[urban obsidian]

Did it get animated anymore

I haven’t checked in a while

[prime wind]

movies. it comes out next week i think

[urban obsidian]

In jp?

Or overseas

[prime wind]

BATTLE OF THE GARBAGE DUMP

[full igloo]

enough lost ark raids, back to horizontal + work

[prime wind]

not sure

nekoma vs karasuno

[urban obsidian]

At

[urban obsidian]

H

Ah

There we go

[nova garden]

I did one Akkan this week

Feels good finishing everything.

[prime wind]

https://tenor.com/view/atsumu-miya-haikyuu-anime-smile-looking-down-on-you-gif-17492866

[dull obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/pomu-pomu-rainpuff-vrchat-chibi-nijisanjien-gif-25059891

Prepare for SA gatekeep though

[lime dove]

@quartz turret @supple parrot balthorr on js

[urban obsidian]

Ah @prime wind it released jp theatres on the 16th

So about a week ago

[dull obsidian]

@urban obsidian would gatekeep you

[wind dagger]

you mean buying bus

[urban obsidian]

Wadafuq

[dull obsidian]

Mizu wtf

fund me 200000 reds

https://tenor.com/view/mika-misono-mika-blue-blue-archive-anime-gif-4769515063404126600

[prime wind]

nice

[urban obsidian]

Wtf I need my own reds

[urban obsidian]

So that means prolly a couple months then we have it

[prime wind]

too bad no release here yet

[urban obsidian]

Gives me time to rewatch it

[dull obsidian]

omg

Gaoneahad and scientific witchery

[urban obsidian]

Wait

Is it Thursday or Friday

[dull obsidian]

I thought it was Monday

[urban obsidian]

no frieren today

It’s Thursday

Grrr

[dull obsidian]

?

Misinfo??

[urban obsidian]

????

Ishydum

[urban obsidian]

It’s Thursday

wtf ur that far ahead

I thought it was like 11pm

[dull obsidian]

no

[nova garden]

[prime wind]

u probably know the raid by now icy

[nova garden]

[prime wind]

the breakdown of what u have to do individually is pretty simple

[burnt tree]

Buying bus for Akkan should be a crime

[nova garden]

[burnt tree]

When i was buying for my SE i felt like i was being robbed

[prime wind]

g1 - kill orb, panacea + stagger, avoid green puddles
g2 - hug ass
g3 - stagger, point statue, if its red run away

[nova garden]

It’s only 10k

[burnt tree]

Yeah but the raid is so easy

Paying for it made me feel bad

[prime wind]

its like hanu difficulty on reclear if u think about it

at least nm is

[burnt tree]

nm is the only one that matters anyway

[urban obsidian]

Hm is a waste of time without a static tbh

[burnt tree]

I only see HM as a one time clear to experience the Extra Gate and then never do it again

[prime wind]

ytd i was in a 1600 hm lobby, i was thinking, oh maybe we'll just clear 1-2 and i will have enough akkan mats

but we actually cleared g3

i got up to 4.5 stacks as lantern thats how close it was dps wise

[burnt tree]

For Thaemine when i get to the required lvl I'll do G1-2 HM 3 NM

And call it a week

[urban obsidian]

My group I don’t even hit 3

[burnt tree]

[urban obsidian]

[burnt tree]

I have to wait a week

[obtuse oyster]

om

[burnt tree]

What? Its optimal

I won't get brain damage

[urban obsidian]

Dexerto 5/5

[obtuse oyster]

gotta touch g3 hm for a little bit

[urban obsidian]

It’s a goated game simply with that

[uncut dirge]

You're not paying to get the raid done, you're paying to get into a lobby

[burnt tree]

Just once to unlock max transcendence

[prime wind]

i had 0 pots going into g3 0 phase cause there so many puddles in the middle i had to just take dmg

[burnt tree]

A Cardinal Sin

The raid is giga easy

[fallow crag]

show me the ways @burnt tree

im not that good with akkan yet

i've only cleared g1-g2 twice

[burnt tree]

Everyone praised it except one outlet. Guess which

[fallow crag]

and g3 once

[prime wind]

funny enough no one died in g3. too bad we had to reset g1 once

[urban obsidian]

IGN

[burnt tree]

No they gave it a 9/10 and called it masterpiece

[urban obsidian]

Unlucky

[burnt tree]

It was KOTAKU

[urban obsidian]

What’d they say

[fallow crag]

kotaku has no value both as a company and reviewer

[burnt tree]

That its "too much"

[urban obsidian]

I still haven’t finished remake

I’m gonna do that next week

[burnt tree]

Too much open world, too much character progression

Basically what everyone else praised they hated

[prime wind]

they should play the original then

[burnt tree]

Jason Schreirer was their last good journalist

And even he

[urban obsidian]

when pc port

[burnt tree]

They should stop playing games

[burnt tree]

Chill it didn't even release on PS yet

[buoyant wagon]

some people hate it when games give you too many options

because the small brained cannot handle it

[charred void]

i remember that final fantasy 10 was like 140 hours

[fallow crag]

it's funny that this isn't even satire

https://twitter.com/Kotaku/status/1417275650482839555

Kotaku (@Kotaku) on X

2K very quietly launches new XCOM game that looks like shit. https://t.co/XLe17sgnUE

Twitter · Jul 20, 2021, 12:10 AM

[burnt tree]

They basically didn't like that there's too much character development

[urban obsidian]

wtf

[prime wind]

https://tenor.com/view/tidus-ffx-blitzball-gif-19017834

[fallow crag]

it's a real thing they tweeted HAHAHA

[burnt tree]

And how everything is expanded on

Yeah Kotaku is wild lmao

[full igloo]

just wait for a cracked version of the game

[burnt tree]

IGN got their shit together somewhat, Kotaku decided to regress further

[full igloo]

no need to pay anything when they release exclusive after exclusive with yaers if not years before a PC port

[burnt tree]

Cracked FF games? That's a cardinal sin

[prime wind]

tbf thats gonna drive traffic to kotaku

[urban obsidian]

Mah

[prime wind]

they know what riles the ppl

[urban obsidian]

I’m not cracking a ff game

[burnt tree]

Only crack Ubisoft/EA games

[full igloo]

When they release game on pc at the same time as playsation is when I spend money on their game

[fallow crag]

kotaku really complaining about more content

[burnt tree]

Yep

[burnt tree]

That's a shit logic ngl

[full igloo]

nope

my logic matter to me

[burnt tree]

They don't owe you a day 1 release with PS

[full igloo]

I don't care about ps

I care about pc

[burnt tree]

I care about PC and PS

[urban obsidian]

Then unlucky

[burnt tree]

Best of both worlds

[full igloo]

The only good playstation were PS1 and PS2, the end

[fallow crag]

I mean not really. Why would I want to pay full price for a game that's been out for years.

If you give me ragnarok 3-4 years after it's released at full price

i do not care

[burnt tree]

Just wait for a sale

[fallow crag]

or crack it

[urban obsidian]

I bought remake for like $5

[full igloo]

[burnt tree]

I don't see the point of cracking games from franchises i grew up with and admire

[full igloo]

[fallow crag]

man's defending billion dollar corporations

[burnt tree]

I don't defend them idiotka

[charred void]

[burnt tree]

Ive been critical about square enix for years

[fallow crag]

people can crack games if they wanna, it don't affect you

[full igloo]

the franchise is not the same it used to be tho, it's not even squaresoft with awesome turn based combat

[burnt tree]

Its outdated

[fallow crag]

ayo redfall LMAO

[full igloo]

even dragon quest from enix has taken a blow as they're not releasing much more DQ anymore

[burnt tree]

People don't find Turn based combat as engaging as they used to

[charred void]

still full price on steam

[urban obsidian]

^

[full igloo]

You're outdated

[burnt tree]

But you didn't say im wrong

I'll take it

[full igloo]

outdated does not mean it's bad

[prime wind]

u need two things to make turn based good. waifus or comedy

[burnt tree]

I know im right anyway

[charred void]

careful or sandra blocks you too

[burnt tree]

I didn't call it bad

[full igloo]

You're right in term of marketing for normies yes

[urban obsidian]

The franchise needs to evolve if they want it to stay in the popularity it is rn

[burnt tree]

^

[full igloo]

but fuck the normies

[urban obsidian]

Look at Pokémon

It’s gone to shit

[full igloo]

Pokémon new game tried to evolve and it's shit

[burnt tree]

FF7 Remake has nailed down a perfect combat balance

[charred void]

why, fanbois still buy it

[urban obsidian]

Yeh

[full igloo]

going 3D with nintendo switch was their worst idea

[urban obsidian]

I rly like VII remakes combat

[charred void]

werent there some memes about newest pokemon graphics which looked like ps2 game

[burnt tree]

Rebirths is even better. They released a demo yday with open world stuff

[full igloo]

https://tenor.com/view/final-fantasy-vii-victory-victory-fanfare-cloud-ff7-gif-16422228

[burnt tree]

The synergies are pogcrazy

[full igloo]

yeah ff 7 combat

[prime wind]

pokemon hasnt seen much innovation since snap and stadium tbf

[burnt tree]

She's packing

[prime wind]

lots of ways they could go but thats why pokemon go and palworld get so popular

[charred void]

palworld only popular because people hate dinosaurs from ark

and guns ofc

[burnt tree]

Oh yeah, also all party members fight with you. Even those not in the main party

[full igloo]

The 3d game on gamecube back then were really good with xd gale of darkness and collosseum

[urban obsidian]

Wadafuq

Pc port grrr

[burnt tree]

You can use their synergy skills

But they don't do much damage

Outside of synergy

[urban obsidian]

Google says pc port might be late may

[burnt tree]

Free roam has everyone with you not just your 3 main members either

[charred void]

game of the year

[burnt tree]

Google says whatever it wants

[urban obsidian]

Surely it’s right

[burnt tree]

Yeah like Remake where people thought it would be 6 months later

[fallow crag]

we about to see what shit nintendo cooks soon

people think it'll be another gold and silver remake or gen 5 remake

[urban obsidian]

Nintendo doesn’t cook shit

[burnt tree]

But om Rebirth aerial combat is a pain in the ass. You gotta use synergy or roll + square with Cloud

[charred void]

i just wait until they release the whole ff7 game so i can finally start playing the first part, surely thats in like 2040

[burnt tree]

Nintendont

[fallow crag]

they cook UK Food

absolute dog shit

[urban obsidian]

Last good Pokémon was bw/bw2

[burnt tree]

Ure waiting for a complete edition? xD

[urban obsidian]

[charred void]

ofc

[fallow crag]

never played it

[burnt tree]

FF7 Ressurection will release with PS6 in 2028

[fallow crag]

Gen 4 was good for me

[burnt tree]

Gl Fayten

[fallow crag]

Sun/Moon was okayish

[charred void]

ye i just buy the complete edition in 2040 maybe

[urban obsidian]

I’m gonna skip ps5

But I prolly buy ps6

[bitter lichen]

rested raids when

[fallow crag]

same

[empty sleet]

Nintendo is STUPID

[fallow crag]

only thing i got is my switch

[burnt tree]

I skipped PS3, got PS4, got PS5

[fallow crag]

i have it cracked

so all my games are free

[urban obsidian]

Yeh

I had 3 have 4

[burnt tree]

I'll skip Nintendont Switch 2 as well

[urban obsidian]

Skipping 5 getting 6

[empty sleet]

They’re lucky they have ZELDA still

Or else JOEVER

[fallow crag]

i'll see if 6 is actually good tho, i dont wanna buy it and it's just another shit show again

[charred void]

nintendo is only good for party games

[burnt tree]

PS3 felt like a scam to me ngl so I skipped it

[fallow crag]

this and smash bros

[urban obsidian]

Lol

[fallow crag]

smash bros is the only good game i'd play on switch ngl

[charred void]

well thats technically a party game

[urban obsidian]

They don’t care about smash wdym

[fallow crag]

i dont play it for party game

[empty sleet]

Smash bros is for SMASHING DUDES

[urban obsidian]

They hate the smash community

[fallow crag]

i play it for 1v1's online lol

all communities are ass

[empty sleet]

Yeah they give them the left buttcheek of a server to play on

While they beg for years for stability in their online

JOEVER

[urban obsidian]

Nintendo online shit is all just utter dogshit

[charred void]

feel like all fighting games have bad online stability

[empty sleet]

https://tenor.com/view/nintendo-lawsuit-gif-21372526

[charred void]

everytime people complain about netcode

every game release

[lime dove]

Is Palworld dead

[full igloo]

https://tenor.com/view/pc-gamer-pc-gamer-console-console-gamer-gif-19444565

[iron kettle]

expecting it

[tardy tusk]

ofc it will happen

[iron kettle]

atl in NA I will have access to discords

for prog and hw

thing that SA currently does not

[fallow crag]

I'M FREE

FROM BEING MUTED

[fallow crag]

no LOL

i will never gatekeep SA

[valid turtle]

not for lack of trying, i heard 3 of their discord imploded from shit mods / shit community

[fallow crag]

i will gatekeep NAW

[iron kettle]

SA is filled with group pans

[burnt tree]

Yeah Gatekeep Chuan asap

[fallow crag]

i dont need a swiper on my team

[iron kettle]

once people stablish a group, shit implodes bc they will only rotate stuff between themselves and that's where conflict starts

[fallow crag]

https://tenor.com/view/swiper-no-swiping-dora-the-gif-20975611

[iron kettle]

but those were all small and very less united

[burnt tree]

Yeah they could ban you by association

Its rough out there

[iron kettle]

I play in SA almost since release and never heard about more than one discord

[fallow crag]

on god no tryna lose my account

i already RMT once, i can't do it twice

😭

[iron kettle]

most guilds here imploded bc of the same drama also

[burnt tree]

[fallow crag]

Generally when you have a large server small groups will form

that's just how it goes

you can't expect people to stay within 1 community

[iron kettle]

SA server isnt'large

[fallow crag]

not everyone likes each other

even if it's 100 members

5 members can go off and form their own server

and expand there

[burnt tree]

I hate everyone in lost ark equally frfr

[iron kettle]

and so the weren't the guilds

[fallow crag]

all it takes is some arguments

and dislike for one another for it to pop up

[dull cairn]

Deserved and good

awful game

[burnt tree]

Awful community

[fallow crag]

lost ark is meh

it's nothing really

[dull cairn]

both

[burnt tree]

Yep

[fallow crag]

people think it's bad but it's a very mild community

[burnt tree]

Half the problems are caused by a slow incompetent dev and publisher, the other half by community

[dull cairn]

yeah first year progression was alright

[fallow crag]

the problems exist in almost all major online service games

[turbid oriole]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/855784007722598451/1210239653978841180/2500_en.png?ex=65e9d682&is=65d76182&hm=9bfdacab568203a6aa84dcd350a3af41bdc9b0dce8dad674748f77dc8f21beb3&

[fallow crag]

lost ark problems are just inconveniences at best

[dull cairn]

now they just delaying the eventual death

[iron kettle]

"incovenciences" kek

[turbid oriole]

remember when lost ark had 1M concurrent bots

[fallow crag]

ayo dont hate on my spelling

[burnt tree]

New interview with Zoomin Park and they asked him "Players in the West don't like alt play, any solutions?" And he said "we made chaos dungeons faster"

[dull cairn]

haha

[buoyant wagon]

there is no solution they can realistically do

[charred void]

chaos dungeons faster yes

[burnt tree]

There is

[iron kettle]

I want to know when they will nerf cube

[buoyant wagon]

not as a publisher as insignificant as them

[iron kettle]

bc doing cube and min ilvl without sup

[burnt tree]

End of Service.

[iron kettle]

with the wrong rng

[buoyant wagon]

[iron kettle]

feels fucking painful

[dull cairn]

t4, easier content for newbies

[buoyant wagon]

TRUE

[fallow crag]

ayo T4

[buoyant wagon]

AGS does not control whether t4 happens

nor does it control easier content

[burnt tree]

Not even Smilegate controls it cause people will quit

[fallow crag]

just do ur dailies/weeklies and play a diff game

[iron kettle]

T4 will cause massive drama

[fallow crag]

people will quit if they wanna quit

[iron kettle]

they extended T3 too long

[buoyant wagon]

they can't hard reset the game

[charred void]

t3 gems, oh no

[fallow crag]

dont matter what they wanna do

[burnt tree]

Imagine losing your 9/7 you spent 36k on(Inkyung KEKW)

[buoyant wagon]

too much money invested into it

[still lintel]

frfr

[iron kettle]

esther, elixir, gems, honing

hard reset at this point is suicide

[buoyant wagon]

gems actually arent even close to the biggest issue

[lime dove]

[burnt tree]

Elixirs don't have to necessarily go away tbh

[buoyant wagon]

since they arent rng

[nova garden]

Esther weapon

[buoyant wagon]

the rng systems are the real issues

[burnt tree]

Yeah gems aren't biggy

[nova garden]

Finally, I can chat.

[burnt tree]

Outside of Parse turds

[lime dove]

its one of them

[nova garden]

Had to hit a game with a hammer for a bit

[burnt tree]

Wdym Icy

[lime dove]

for sure

[charred void]

but people love rng systems, else this game would be long dead already

[iron kettle]

I'm reffering it takes way too long to build full 10s

[nova garden]

Actually had to do my job for once

[burnt tree]

Its not the biggest issue ocean

[iron kettle]

and is expensive

[burnt tree]

That's the point

[lime dove]

Yea cards are worse

[buoyant wagon]

gems are irrelevant in the grand scheme of t4

[burnt tree]

Cards won't get affected by a hard reset

[buoyant wagon]

they are guaranteed upgrades

[turbid oriole]

T4 but new weapon where you pay 5000 RC to do 5% of the boss hp can use 20x per raid

[iron kettle]

T4 would mean T3 would suffer the same T2 gems did

[turbid oriole]

[lime dove]

oh thats what u guys r saying

[burnt tree]

Yep gems are guaranteed upgrades

[lime dove]

Or

Or

[buoyant wagon]

rocks, quality, elixirs, bracelets

[lime dove]

They release a new card set

thats OP compared to LoS

cause new Tier

[buoyant wagon]

t4 without extensive considerations on how those will transfer over

would actually kill the game

[lime dove]

its a very SG thing to do

[burnt tree]

That means new card packs so everyone starts the same

[lime dove]

to release a powercreep card set with new tier

[iron kettle]

guaranteed upgrade but it's a slow progression, I'm not calling anything out on gems, but I'm saying it's one of the problems to get T4 rolling.

[lime dove]

[iron kettle]

I just pointed it.

[charred void]

they already sweat about entropy rework

[lime dove]

Well yea, but gl another 2 years

[buoyant wagon]

whales easily can swipe new top tier gems

they can't easily swipe the rng parts

[burnt tree]

Well Lost Ark in the west definitely doesn't have another two years

[buoyant wagon]

west definitely has more than 2 years

[charred void]

9/7 ambush master stone enjoyers still in shambles about entropy rework

[buoyant wagon]

the game is not going to die

[lime dove]

[charred void]

surely that wont kill their stone

[burnt tree]

https://tenor.com/view/lost-ark-gif-26462157

[buoyant wagon]

people have been shitting on BDO saying it would die in the west within a few years after launch

[turbid oriole]

Not while chuan playing anyway

[burnt tree]

Why Entropoop enjoyers like this gameplay?

[buoyant wagon]

it's still alive

[true tartan]

[nova garden]

Gate keep gunlancer
Gate keep destroyer

[buoyant wagon]

maplestory has remained alive in the west

[turbid oriole]

Chuan singlehandedly paying roxx 's salary

[iron kettle]

You know that resetting gem market would reset prices up again right?

also you would punish all the non whale audience.

[buoyant wagon]

yes but swiping for guaranteed upgrades doesnt matter

[burnt tree]

Ok 3

[buoyant wagon]

the whale audience is what runs the game

[charred void]

how many players does bdo have, like 10k?

[iron kettle]

You think that, you.

[fallow crag]

just make Lost Ark 2

[iron kettle]

mind that.

[burnt tree]

Everyone will wait for Year 5 free legendary skin then quit

[buoyant wagon]

you do not want to reset whale progress especially the rng parts

[nova garden]

Nah, that’s @true tartan

[buoyant wagon]

gems are the smallest sacrifice in the grand scheme of a reset

[fallow crag]

yeah gems aren't that big

you will get gems

[iron kettle]

it's a part of the problem

[burnt tree]

I love how when people hear tier 4 their first fear is gems

[fallow crag]

they're not RNG

[buoyant wagon]

they are permanent upgrades that can even be shared among the same class

[lime dove]

[burnt tree]

Meanwhile elixirs bracelet stones

[lime dove]

ShieldMaiden has cursed us

[tardy tusk]

but 90% of the bdo players dont play via steam.

[iron kettle]

didn't say it was big

[lime dove]

now we will never get the skin till year 5

[burnt tree]

ShadowFox moment

[buoyant wagon]

gems are irrelevant in the grand scheme of things

[charred void]

alive game

[fallow crag]

Elixirs, Bracelet, Stones, Cards, Item Quality

anything that's RNG

will be the annoying bits

[buoyant wagon]

^

[fallow crag]

when it comes to a hard reset

[lime dove]

how bout everything

[buoyant wagon]

nuking t3 gems would cause a stir but nowhere near nuking the other rng systems

[fallow crag]

they could be T4 and then just allow you to upgrade T3 stuff into T4

[lime dove]

gems probly just as bad

due to the cost

[tardy tusk]

and this via pearlabyss launcher

[fallow crag]

like T3 Stone pay gold to upgrade to T4

[buoyant wagon]

gem cost

is literally irrelevant

[lime dove]

just cause gems arent rng it might as well be

[buoyant wagon]

in the grand scheme of things

[burnt tree]

Like Stones from relic to ancient om

[iron kettle]

they just keep parroting and ignore the point

[fallow crag]

yes

same thing with bracelets

[charred void]

no way that are all humans

[buoyant wagon]

you spend a couple million to be forever done, guaranteed

[iron kettle]

useless at this point.

[lime dove]

Silver costs to roll the gems

[fallow crag]

T3 Bracelet to T4

[lime dove]

[buoyant wagon]

you can spend tens of millions on a 9/7 to not get it

same with a 5 liner bracelet

[burnt tree]

I have 360m silver give me gold and ill roll them for u

[buoyant wagon]

same with your 45+ bis set elixir

[burnt tree]

[lime dove]

no one expects 9/7 tho

[fallow crag]

if they do T4 they would definitely need to allow you to upgrade your current stuff

[lime dove]

at a certain point ppl expect 9/10 gems

[tardy tusk]

BDO dont have bots (or at least i dont saw any) i think is cuz the trade is locked.

[lime dove]

[buoyant wagon]

the most important demographic of the game does

the whales

[still lintel]

sons of the forest 1.0 in 2 hours

[lime dove]

ok fine maybe the top%

[burnt tree]

Inkyung spent 36k dollars on her first 9/7

[charred void]

[fallow crag]

trade locked and market price is locked down too

[lime dove]

but a larger % expects 9/10 gems

much larger

[fallow crag]

you can't manipulate market

[lime dove]

[burnt tree]

Now make it useless Smilegate

[buoyant wagon]

your paying players are the demographic you can afford to piss off the least

[tardy tusk]

True

[still lintel]

will be a good change from staring at this for 1 hour

[iron kettle]

is this "important demographic" in the room with us now?

[full igloo]

Stay brave, I'm still working too

[tardy tusk]

uh?

[buoyant wagon]

you can't run a f2p game without your top spenders

[iron kettle]

at this point you just sound like some redditor parrot brother.

[burnt tree]

Sandrea working by watching anime

[lime dove]

the top spenders will also never play with us

[full igloo]

oh my bad, didn't read the message, I thought you were coding

[lime dove]

[tardy tusk]

I am

[buoyant wagon]

the top spenders keep the developers developing the game because there is money in it

[iron kettle]

if there's no normal players also, the game will get stale for the whales.

[fallow crag]

Top spenders go wherever there's an opportunity to be at the top and it's fun.

[charred void]

chuan is always here with us

[full igloo]

nevermind

[fallow crag]

Lost ark is generally a fun game

[lime dove]

[fallow crag]

as long as it remains fun and has players

people will spend

[burnt tree]

Fun om

[tardy tusk]

[buoyant wagon]

games can far more afford to run on low playercount but with whales still playing than decent playercount with no whales playing

[lime dove]

well ye

[buoyant wagon]

case in point - Dragalia Lost gacha

[fallow crag]

yes basically

[lime dove]

game needs both whales and non whales

[fallow crag]

no

[tardy tusk]

Satho bg3 mods are broken

[buoyant wagon]

game was so f2p friendly that nobody spent

[fallow crag]

it needs whales, and people to make the whales feel good about being whales

we're that

[lime dove]

[buoyant wagon]

ironically

lots of games have been alive like that

[charred void]

so we are just here to entertain whales

[buoyant wagon]

playercount in the 4 digits

but kept alive because there are still a few dozen to hundred heavy spenders

[lime dove]

opposite of seaworld

they look at us like the zoo we look at them like seaworld

[iron kettle]

If every normal player left LA and just the big whales were left, the game would die in weeks. MMO needs big amounts of people to move it's economy. Specially lost ark.

[lime dove]

balance in all things

[burnt tree]

https://tenor.com/view/ryan-reynolds-great-yes-sarcasm-sarcastic-gif-5188192

[iron kettle]

With how all the systems within it work and all the cursed rngs.

[buoyant wagon]

mmos dont need as large of a playerbase as you think

[iron kettle]

Lost Ark needs.

[buoyant wagon]

and systems can be adjusted to account for lower population

[bitter lichen]

rested raids when

[tardy tusk]

wdym great

[iron kettle]

and both EUW and SA are primal proof of that

[rigid aurora]

@dull obsidian

[tardy tusk]

yuzu check my vid.

[magic ruin]

Just wondering, are there any builds that play similar to bowmage but aren't literally bowmage? I played this shit out of bowmage during open access and like the playstyle a lot but want to try something a bit different.

[burnt tree]

I like watching others suffer

[gleaming pendant]

@dull obsidian

[tardy tusk]

Fay, do you played Elden ring Convergence?

[buoyant wagon]

the game is plenty viable with 20k in NA/SA and 20k in EU for example

[iron kettle]

but if you refuse to acknowledge that and insist in echo chambers bs that you saw on Reddit or some streamer told you, whatever.

[tardy tusk]

[burnt tree]

What the hell is a Bowmage

[iron kettle]

how many of these are whales.

[gleaming pendant]

@burnt tree first gen king

[tardy tusk]

a mage with a bow.

[burnt tree]

Gonna read it in a bit. I am confined in bed

[lime dove]

20k in the grand scheme of video game world

[buoyant wagon]

i mean given that people meme on playercount all the time

[lime dove]

is considered a dead game

[buoyant wagon]

buit this game is still reasonably doing well on steam

[burnt tree]

We got Bowmages in lost ark?

[lime dove]

[fallow crag]

Let me give you a lesson. I work in development and the way it works is simple.

We ask for money from rich people, those rich people want others to know they're rich by having their names on things.

Have you ever noticed how some buildings/stadiums have names of companies or really rich people? That's because they want to show off their wealth.

This applies to video games, rich people don't care if they game is 10 years old, or if the game is top of the line. They don't care if they have to spend 200k to be at the top as long as they can show off to people that they are at the top. It only needs to fit their qualifications of either being fun as a game or if it's fun to show off.

[buoyant wagon]

yeah there are still a lot of whales left

[charred void]

i have like only 100 ish hours in elden ring, a bit modded coop with randomizer thats it - not that hard into that game tbh

[magic ruin]

Oh, right, I'm fucking sick, am in the wrong discord a

[bitter lichen]

Let me give you a lesson. I work in development and the way it works is simple.

We ask for money from rich people, those rich people want others to know they're rich by having their names on things.

Have you ever noticed how some buildings/stadiums have names of companies or really rich people? That's because they want to show off their wealth.

This applies to video games, rich people don't care if they game is 10 years old, or if the game is top of the line. They don't care if they have to spend 200k to be at the top as long as they can show off to people that they are at the top. It only needs to fit their qualifications of either being fun as a game or if it's fun to show off.

[iron kettle]

why is it so hard for you to get within a point.

you didn't answer none of my question.

[magic ruin]

Always get these two names confused lol

[fallow crag]

mans thought it was a copypasta

i was just explaining how development works

[tardy tusk]

I recommend convergence

[buoyant wagon]

what question are you even fucking asking

[bitter lichen]

rested raids when

[burnt tree]

Lost Ark suffering from copy paste syndrome

[buoyant wagon]

nobody can give you a concrete answer on how many whales there are, only AGS has that data

[burnt tree]

See long text just copy paste

[buoyant wagon]

but given that the game is still fairly high on steam revenue charts

[fallow crag]

yah cause people like @bitter lichen dont know how to read

[burnt tree]

That's true

[bitter lichen]

woah buddy

[buoyant wagon]

there is likely a good amount of whales left

[bitter lichen]

yah cause people like @bitter lichen dont know how to read

[burnt tree]

Your welcome/s

[fallow crag]

lost ark will continue to run for a hot minute. If games like BDO, Maplestory can run for so long the same will apply to lost ark.

[iron kettle]

The answer is low, never you will have a big major part of the game population beign very active spenders. My initial analogy is that you keep yapping bullshit that they can just take design decisions only minding whales. Without commonfolk, the game economy and well being does not survive.

again, EUW and SA are primal proofs.

[buoyant wagon]

of course whales are always a fucking minority lmao

but they outspend like 70% of the rest of the playerbase

that's how it is in every f2p p2w game

[iron kettle]

So, what?

[charred void]

bdo is dead in their main region(south korea)

[fallow crag]

Whales are the minority but when it comes to developers they're going to prioritize them.

[buoyant wagon]

bdo isn't that dead in korea but it's not popular for some niche reasons

[fallow crag]

that's because it's fighting against Lost ark and Maple lol

[buoyant wagon]

the hardcore pvp crowd never really graduated from lineage

[fallow crag]

generally KR players will swap between maple and lost ark

depending on who fucks up more

[tardy tusk]

somehow here is more popular.

[bold aspen]

help

[buoyant wagon]

pvp imbalance was extremely bad for a while

[iron kettle]

Western market gets glorified by fancy graphics.

[fallow crag]

bdo has a niche crowd that people like, game is pretty sandbox which people like

[charred void]

https://tenor.com/view/lost-ark-gif-24898366

[tardy tusk]

And they put nice QoL and updates.

[buoyant wagon]

the hardcore pvp mmo players in korea either still are on lineage or graduated to playing different games

[bold aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/i-dont-have-it-in-my-to-do-something-like-that-trevor-elliott-the-lincoln-lawyer-s1-e3-i-could-never-do-it-gif-13778397214274810233

[buoyant wagon]

hardcore pvp is more of a western taste

[tardy tusk]

BDO is not that bad as before.

[fallow crag]

that's new

[still lintel]

https://tenor.com/view/blue-archive-kazusa-gif-26562945

[fallow crag]

it was not like that years ago

[tardy tusk]

actually its new

[charred void]

https://tenor.com/view/do-it-what-are-you-waiting-for-determined-angry-gif-5247874

[fallow crag]

it's very recent that they started to add some nice features

[tardy tusk]

I was in that time.

[fallow crag]

same

Lost ark is very mild

[bold aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-michael-scott-i-cant-do-this-i-cant-do-it-i-cannot-do-this-gif-19896613

[lime dove]

what iLevel is Kurzan

[tardy tusk]

But rn, the game feels diffrent.

[buoyant wagon]

BDO also historically had the issue of

[fallow crag]

Lost ark whales don't hurt me so im happy

BDO whales can hurt me

so i sad

[buoyant wagon]

having to pay a lot to make the game convenient and comfortable to play

[fallow crag]

all cause i wanna grind in a spot

;9

[buoyant wagon]

while making it very inefficient to swipe for power

[fallow crag]

😭

[buoyant wagon]

it's an extremely inefficient game to p2w legitimately

[fallow crag]

it's pay for convenience but swipers can kill you so i hated the game

LMAO

[buoyant wagon]

but it nickels and dimes you on convenience features

[fallow crag]

also SKINS ARE SHIT

[buoyant wagon]

which makes it hard to catch on even in korea

[charred void]

https://tenor.com/view/nike-just-do-it-gif-26636514

[tardy tusk]

NAAAH you coping bro

[buoyant wagon]

if there is p2w, korea wants the p2w to be efficient and accessible

[fallow crag]

BRO ONLY THE BERSERK SKIN WAS GOOD

THEY'RE UGLY

[buoyant wagon]

paymodel where you can't easily swipe for power but have to spend a few hundred on convenience easily burns people

[tardy tusk]

You mean in the past

[fallow crag]

im sad i fucking missed that

[tardy tusk]

or rn

[buoyant wagon]

far more than being able to easily swipe for power

[fallow crag]

i havent played in a year

[tardy tusk]

even in a year

[fallow crag]

so unless they got something decent recently

[bold aspen]

fake news

[buoyant wagon]

but at the same time

[fallow crag]

the game has some ugly fucking skins

[buoyant wagon]

BDO's pay for convenience model is what lets it not stack too many vertical systems on top of each other

the gear cap moves very slowly

since they make their money off people buying convenience

not swiping for power

[charred void]

only thing i like about bdo is the unlimited character reskinning with your monthly sub

unless that got removed

[buoyant wagon]

late reply but yeah this point is what people miss (or dont want to admit is true)

[charred void]

and stealing ingame presets is easier than here

[tardy tusk]

let me find skins

[fallow crag]

the funny thing is that people think the majority matters

you do not matter

you only exist to make whales happy

so the game can be F2P

[buoyant wagon]

the f2p majority doesnt matter unless they collectively decide to quit in the same time frame

[charred void]

[still lintel]

does that even do anything? wont you just get back on same account when you reinstall it

[buoyant wagon]

which never really happens

[fallow crag]

basically this

[turbid oriole]

Go to bed

[fallow crag]

unless you make it so lonely that whales dont wanna play anymore

which never happens btw

[bold aspen]

never

[buoyant wagon]

it's a matter of keeping f2p distracted enough with bread and circuses

[fallow crag]

you don't matter

[buoyant wagon]

and tossing them enough of a bone here and there

[charred void]

[fallow crag]

this problem doesn't really matter for lost ark tho

[still lintel]

weak

[tardy tusk]

Guardian skin

[fallow crag]

okay that's decent

but the majority is still booty

Lost ark as a F2P mmo in the grand scheme of things is fairly good

[buoyant wagon]

lost ark is also

an extremely sunk cost game

[fallow crag]

you can buy almost anything by just playing

[fallow crag]

almost all mmo's

are

there are rare exceptions

like GW2 and FF14

[buoyant wagon]

things have to be extremely bad for there to be consistent mass player drop offs

[fallow crag]

but those are at the top and people know they exist

lost ark will probably live for a long time, it unfortunately has pretty good combat and raids which sucks me back in

LMAO

the only way this dies

is if they somehow go off the rials

rails*

[buoyant wagon]

the big spenders are too baked into the game to quit

the f2p and low spenders wont quit in sufficient numbers abruptly to threaten the game

[tardy tusk]

warrior

[buoyant wagon]

and things aren't that bad for them anyways

[fallow crag]

no that doesn't matter

[buoyant wagon]

things are mostly shit for new players

[fallow crag]

big spenders will just leave if they want to

i think people forget how rich people can be

[buoyant wagon]

but the paymodel for this game doesn't really need positive growth from new players that much

[fallow crag]

you can drop 50k on a game and just leave it without a thought

[charred void]

i read that the only thing that kept tera alive for a long time were the specialist body type skin enjoyers - according to the tera devs, no idea if that 100% true

[fallow crag]

i have buddies in UAE that dropped 300k on Maple

and dont care about it anymore

it's not that important

all that matters is that people exist in the game

and it's fun for them

[buoyant wagon]

they usually wont leave unless the game gets really boring or dead, or they are the case of streamers who just stream spending money on a game

[fallow crag]

basically, for the most part as long as players exist even if it's a lower count people will stay play.

[buoyant wagon]

any niche/dying game that gets its lifespan prolonged than what people would think is reasonably possible

is carried by a small portion of heavy spenders

its how some gachas that are several years old that nobody has ever heard of

are still alive

[charred void]

good thing we have so many specialist enjoyers here too, so lost ark is saved for a few years in the west

[fallow crag]

gacha development is incredibly low cost. there's a reason why companies like crunchyroll just make shit gacha games and then end service after they've sucked all the money out.

you can make a shitty gacha game and people will swipe

[charred void]

oh no

[fallow crag]

humans like the feeling of gambling

[buoyant wagon]

ultimately lost ark just isnt really a popular western taste mmo

gw2 and ff14 and wow are more up people's alleys aside from the combat

[charred void]

ye ff14 release was great

[fallow crag]

it wont matter, you can play the entire game with just 8 people tbh

lost ark will be fine for a hot minute

[iron kettle]

surely

[fallow crag]

i wish it was on a better engine tho

[bold aspen]

du otto

[empty sleet]

https://tenor.com/view/omegadance-lul-omegalul-troll-dance-gif-26285282

[charred void]

https://tenor.com/view/let-me-in-eric-andre-wanna-come-in-gif-13730108

[valid turtle]

back on top baby

[bold aspen]

süchtiges internet

[valid turtle]

english only

[charred void]

danke dyno

[bold aspen]

[valid turtle]

[bold aspen]

[burnt tree]

Not very casual friendly

[valid turtle]

fuck casuals

[buoyant wagon]

its not that bad for casuals if you accept being a 1 character andy

or a 2-3 character andy after slimming down your roster as an established player

[urban obsidian]

@valid turtle fuck

YOUUU

BITCH

[buoyant wagon]

it's absolutely terrible for new players though

[valid turtle]

[full igloo]

wait, is this a women pants grab ?

[urban obsidian]

yeh

[full igloo]

[urban obsidian]

im starting to enjoy the game as a 1 char andy again

just logon spend 10 mins a day doing chaos/guardians

[valid turtle]

im basically a 5 character andy at this point

[urban obsidian]

and do 3 raids a week when i feel like it

very comfy

[valid turtle]

i hate all my other alts

[urban obsidian]

i might go back to 2 chars in march tho

dunno

[tardy tusk]

@rigid aurora

[urban obsidian]

depends on if i enjoy arcana in actual raids enough or not

[tardy tusk]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/621773464206049281/1135253534032539749/ezgif-3-ff24b15466.gif

[urban obsidian]

if i do i might aero/arcana it up

[urban obsidian]

if not gonna stick with just aero

[charred void]

https://tenor.com/view/filthy-frank-know-your-place-implicit-gif-26537479

[valid turtle]

so true

[burnt tree]

I play 4-6 characters depending on my mood

Which isn't too bad