lost-ark-discussions

[frail shard]

Fuck

[urban obsidian]

get fucked lol

[valid turtle]

FUCK

honestly

i think +2 adren on EW is kinda troll

cuz you go +3 EW then...

[gleaming pendant]

Lol skill issue

[valid turtle]

wait its literally worse

[turbid oriole]

[gleaming pendant]

Just cut 9/9

Go ew2

[valid turtle]

uhuh

sure

ill get right on that

[rugged lynx]

kae

Have you cut your daily 23 pineapples yet

[stark thicket]

[gleaming pendant]

Huh

[quiet igloo]

Is guacamole hard to make?

[quartz turret]

no?

[quiet igloo]

No as in you don't know or no as in it's not hard

[keen copper]

guac is piss easy to make

[quiet igloo]

I suppose it's piss easier to buy

[gleaming pendant]

Just make it

Never know till you try

[quiet igloo]

Local grocery store doesn't sell it so

[keen copper]

store bought guac is garbage

[quiet igloo]

I wouldn't know bc I've never had it

I kinda want tacos now but it's 12:40 rn

Nobody open

Slayer 1580 glow kinda ugly ngl

[ivory perch]

How is the Valtan Extreme? Really hard?

[quiet igloo]

It's probably harder then normal mode yeah

Maybe a bit harder

[ivory perch]

And how it is with gold reword? Is it always giving gold or it have to be included in the 3 raid which give gold

[quiet igloo]

What does it mean when someone says "type shit"?

[frail shard]

it means you contemplating too much

maybe rest your fingers a bit

[quiet igloo]

Is it like "fr"?

[keen copper]

bros on sum bum type shit fr

[quiet igloo]

[valid turtle]

not a single one with 100+ spec and 3 lines

[frail shard]

[ancient talon]

no upgrade after collecting bracelets for 2 months

lost ark gaming

[quiet igloo]

Oh

It's basically tldr

[delicate sandal]

cant believe i unjailed g4 ivory with 2 sorcs

[tulip charm]

fuckkkkkklsdfljsdf

valtan extreme prog failed, but, i could literally taste the clear

multiple ghost phase entries

[quartz turret]

shambles

[quiet igloo]

[tulip charm]

the problem is half the team dies on entry

[quiet igloo]

[valid turtle]

how long were u progging

[quartz turret]

u still not using meter? how u know its hp

[tulip charm]

we had 8 going into ghost phase, then 4 died, our last pull only 2 died, but then people started dying off

[quartz turret]

4 more hones on pally

[tulip charm]

we started at 7pm, we stopped 10minutes ago

[valid turtle]

damn

[frail shard]

gg @delicate sandal

[tulip charm]

but, the dmg isn't a problem, on one of the pulls when everyone died he hat 22bars left, at 1:58 on the clock, and we haven't even sent the last thirain yet

also, our pt is very strange for this, not a regular pt

0 gunlancer, 0 paladin, 0 artist, 2 bards, 1 soulfist

so we have to dodge the vertigo pattern, 27pulls exactly, and we got use to dodging it halfway

[quiet igloo]

No Gunlancer?

[tulip charm]

and any stragglers we cleansed with purify

[quiet igloo]

[valid turtle]

my group doesnt have gl either

[tulip charm]

also youd think its a zstagger pt, but for some magical reason it staggers quite fast, not sure why it was easy to stagger, it just was

[valid turtle]

but we have a destroyer

and ya the stagger is quite fast

i think its lower to allow for dps windows

[delicate sandal]

yea fr somehow not as juiced party cleared faster than my jail party

bard was inting so hard

[valid turtle]

best we got was 35 bars with one dead. but we only progged for 2 hours

[tulip charm]

wait, he enraged at 35bars?

[valid turtle]

ye

[tulip charm]

damn....

[quartz turret]

we got to 3 bars and enraged

[valid turtle]

alot of us were playing very safe

and everyone had ts

[tulip charm]

not a single one of us brought ts lol

[valid turtle]

ya

[tulip charm]

with our party setup

[valid turtle]

so we are going to bring atros on next prog

see how far we can push

we should see ghost phase ez

for 2 hours i think we did really good

we also 1 shot g1

[quartz turret]

g1 was free

[tulip charm]

there is some jank things though, we found out towards the end, idk if this is glitch or not
but
when your in ghost phase, the couterable clones, can sometimes turn 360 and face the outside of the arena

and the worst fking tilting one

on the 5 counters

[delicate sandal]

dont think the dps is tight enough for atros

[tulip charm]

the 5th counter, where we send everyone up

he fking

did a magical 30degree turn

for no fking reason

[delicate sandal]

ts is way safer for like ppl that fuck up hellfire

[tulip charm]

on the 5th counter

it made 0 sense

[gleaming pendant]

@azure valley static in shambles

[valid turtle]

what the fuck

[tulip charm]

we never died even once during hellfire after the first deaths there

[delicate sandal]

he turns after every counter

[valid turtle]

hellfire is ez

not an issue

[tulip charm]

yea, he turns, then like 1 or 2 seconds later, he raises the axe, then brings it down

so you have time to adjust, then wait

[delicate sandal]

for 5th counter ig that makes sense its the fastest

[tulip charm]

but for the 5th counter he somehow magically just turned 30degrees randomly after he got the axe raised and brought it down instantly

lol

like we were all in position to press, he just turned and sent it lol

like yea its almost 4 hour prog wasted, but not even mad, could taste the clear, but after the 3rd hour raid fatigue started kicking in and people started dying to dumb stuff, like 1 death early, and we just restart

[delicate sandal]

they say valtan is easy

[tulip charm]

tbf, i am not really sure what i think of this raid right now, if its hard or easy

i think brel g6 was harder still lol

[delicate sandal]

its easy ppl just suck

[tulip charm]

like progging ex valtan dosn't even feel bad, proging g6 was like a doom zoom

[tulip charm]

wdym, when the raid is wiped and failed his hp bar shows up

and half the guys in discord is using it, they have the info when they need it

i made up my mind long time ago i don't wanna use it

[quartz turret]

i hate ghost phase

[tulip charm]

it becomes like a dodgefest lol

[tulip charm]

did you guys clear today?

[quartz turret]

nah they were doing the last voidis hm

we were unlucky with pugs

they kept wiping to the axe reflect

[tulip charm]

thats....i don't, wat

[delicate sandal]

u know whats crazy i knew ppl overestimate themselves

[tulip charm]

out of all the mechs, why that one lol

[delicate sandal]

valtan is very easy

[quartz turret]

i think its mostly the arcana, they place their skills on the ground and it explode seconds later

[delicate sandal]

but just some new hell mechs thats arent so much different makes this raid hard

[uneven mortar]

how many people you guys going with

[quartz turret]

half the ppl are pugs

[tulip charm]

i don't think that counts, i think some raid mechanics makes delayed mechs not trigger, i am not 100% sure on this

like if you sent up a nuke before he charges up the counter, and the nuke drops, it won't trigger it (even if nuke is low stagger now)

[uneven mortar]

problem with pugs is your progression are reset once it broke

to be fair my prog starts in 3 hour

i know we wont clear

[tulip charm]

they have enough people, grab zeng and zengcheng, i though quokka is running with another group already, but they could bring the voldi gunlancer and maybe get 1 pug, and they are set

[uneven mortar]

so prolly just gonna end up talking shit for 2 hours and do the rest of our raid

[quartz turret]

its stupid how bard is so bad at this

[azure valley]

cause they greeding trying not to get gapped so hard smh

[azure valley]

its not as hard as you think

[tulip charm]

don't be too sure, you guys are mega juiced, expect to get screwed in the first hour but after awhile the old valtan knowledge kicks back in and everything you forgot from that raid will come back, its just additional patterns, you guys have the dmg

[azure valley]

not close to hell mode

literally every group 1 shots g1. G2 all you need to do is learn the mech differences and don’t die

nothing really hurts

[frail shard]

im hurt

[azure valley]

call a doctor

[tulip charm]

i don't even know what the mech is for g1

we just 1shot it after the orbs

[azure valley]

ya its faceroll nothing hurts

like hm valtan but with more hp shruge

[frail shard]

you 2x thirain in g1 no?

[uneven mortar]

we only have 2-3 hrs, cause of chinese new year

[gleaming pendant]

wrekk need to refill his f2p money

[uneven mortar]

[gleaming pendant]

f2p since using cny money to swipe

[uneven mortar]

[azure valley]

Wrekk is like 65

He gotta give out money

[gleaming pendant]

not 75?

[uneven mortar]

but if you not married you get the money right

[gleaming pendant]

yea supposedly

but if you are too old, you might not receive any

[uneven mortar]

[azure valley]

ya but you have like 10 illegitimate children with masseuses

idk if that counts

[uneven mortar]

[gleaming pendant]

oh true

he pumps them and forget

[uneven mortar]

[quartz turret]

one tap

[gleaming pendant]

hone with bounds only

[quartz turret]

bounds only

my breaker funds taking a hit tho

[urban obsidian]

[delicate sandal]

need ex vykas

[uneven mortar]

its old man static i think

[tulip charm]

that just means you guys prob learn slower (maybe thats not even true), but when you do learn it you won't forget it

[torn ether]

nunu abuser

[swift tree]

finally a semi decent drop

[tulip charm]

arti 1 hone away and db 2 hones away...

[frail shard]

crit spec quality 100
grudge 3
master brawler 6

cant wait till march

[quartz turret]

but head atk breaker is crit swift

[frail shard]

man can only dream rosey!

[quartz turret]

[supple parrot]

u cannot send everyone one up

it's 2 ppl max

or he will spawn the circle thing

and it interrupts ur counter

[tulip charm]

no

for the 5th counter

[supple parrot]

ya

[tulip charm]

we send everyone up, the last one

[supple parrot]

5th counter 2 ppl

[swift tree]

750 red orehas, bruh

[supple parrot]

u have to send ur counter skill BEFORE the boss turn blue

[tulip charm]

really? ill keep that inmind and let them know tmrw

[supple parrot]

u look at the boss

he does the shake right

[uneven mortar]

most people buy for the pose

[supple parrot]

on third shake

[uneven mortar]

lol

[supple parrot]

u use holy sword

gurantee counter

always send paly up for that one

most consistent

[swift tree]

ofc

[uneven mortar]

the other is just bonus

[supple parrot]

its usually always paly+gl for 5th counter

in hellmode

[swift tree]

kinda funny how the leap one comes with a crap tonne of yoz mats

[uneven mortar]

although its annoying they dont have mileage

[swift tree]

If they ever did add it, they'd have to honor previous purchases.

sooo many ppl would quit

[tulip charm]

ill be sure to let them know next time only send 2 people

[swift tree]

importantly, paying people would quit.

[supple parrot]

when u send everyone up

is he spawnin the circle thing

the rings

[tulip charm]

not sure...

[supple parrot]

wdym

its the giant rings

u guys are stacking some where

[tulip charm]

he always spawns it when we all stand at the bottom

[supple parrot]

when it starts right

ya exactly

[tulip charm]

but when we go up at the last counter, i wasn't paying attenetion

[supple parrot]

if there is 3 ppl close to him, he will spawn the ring

on the close ppl

thats why u have ppl stack

far away

the whole point of that is so the ring doesnt interrupt counters

[urban obsidian]

[uneven mortar]

i feel like ags trying to screw around with store like removing bozo jar and mileage ended up fucking over both side

[quartz turret]

they need to share ex valtan progress between chars

[uneven mortar]

share progress!

?

[supple parrot]

like if u stucck in g2

on a char

u cant use a diff char to continue g2

so u have to reset progress and do g1-2 on the other char

but then it depends on what lobby is up

[sand marsh]

i feel like most people that are g2 jailed will just reset to g1

since g1 is free

[supple parrot]

ya but then

u dont know if ppl are dumb or not

til u get to g2

cuz g1 is free

and its annoying

[uneven mortar]

[sand marsh]

true but being jailed in g2 is dumb

i say this but i almost got jailed myself

shhh

[supple parrot]

like we kept havin ppl hit retaliation whe nwe were doing it

and wasted so much time

[sand marsh]

did an arcana do it

[supple parrot]

every fuckin retaliation

yes

[sand marsh]

LOL

[supple parrot]

fuck arcanas dude

[sand marsh]

hahaha

evokes go brrrr

[supple parrot]

gatekeep arcanas

every week

from now on

[uneven mortar]

you guys dont all go on discord?

[sand marsh]

thats fuckin hilarious

[supple parrot]

no, was pugs

huh

[azure valley]

its ez no discord necessary

[sand marsh]

when napo told me this i thought it was a meme

but arcanas actually do that

das crazy

[supple parrot]

well i cleared earlier, joined a rando g2 group, wiped at ghost cuz ppl werent aware of the scripted patterns, told them, and we cleared next pull

[mental berry]

ig it's not like they have a choice, if they use evoke preemptively and the boss decides to do retaliate then it's kinda unlucky

[sand marsh]

wdym scripted patterns?

[sand marsh]

i was told arcanas with hands dont trigger it

but i dont play the class much so idk

[uneven mortar]

we get 20k gold right

[sand marsh]

15k

[supple parrot]

if u go behind the boss at start of ghost phase, he is guaranteed to do SPIN move

and he will do the spin move every 1 min

[uneven mortar]

im at 23% artisan to 24

[sand marsh]

that happens in hm as well right?

[uneven mortar]

jesus help me

[azure valley]

why you not 25 yet

[supple parrot]

yes

[mental berry]

if you're aware of retaliate and you focus on timing your evokes so you don't preemptively have to use them, then yeah you won't proc them

[sand marsh]

and do u need to know the exact timing? i jus dodge it when it happens

[azure valley]

f2p investor running out of steam

[sand marsh]

kinda weird if u ask me

[uneven mortar]

[supple parrot]

well so ur more consistent

cuz ppl panic

[sand marsh]

hmm. i suppose

[uneven mortar]

its taking time buying low selling high

[mental berry]

sometimes the boss just decides to be an asshole and does retaliate right as you use your evokes so you can't really do anything about that

[supple parrot]

and go to not cardinal

drop poop everywhere

panic space bar

die

[uneven mortar]

i just want 24 glow

[sand marsh]

I jus iframe into the whirlwind if i see that happening

but in my clear i space bared into a grab

[supple parrot]

just dont evoke unles he is in the start of a pattern?

[sand marsh]

[supple parrot]

or u know the retaliation is on icd?

[sand marsh]

i figured it was on an ICD but thats good to know

[mental berry]

that's what arcanas do but in the situation where you use your evoke the boss just decides to do retaliate, it's not like you can do anything about that other than "just don't evoke next time"

[sand marsh]

man i wanna do hell vykas

[quartz turret]

i just need a crital gloves with at least 7 points for 40 set

[ancient talon]

@sand marsh what is the dog in mario 2?

your guide didn't cover it

[sand marsh]

the what in what

dog? mario 2?

im not following

[ancient talon]

someone said i killed the dog in mario 2 and wiped the raid

for clown

[sand marsh]

uhhhhh

there is no dog?

[ancient talon]

maybe he means the aura tower

[sand marsh]

wtf

[ancient talon]

bruh i have no idea

[sand marsh]

killing nothing in mario 2 wipes the raid lol

that's confusing.

[ancient talon]

that's what i thought

[sand marsh]

that man is high

[supple parrot]

@quartz turret @sand marsh nae raid?

[sand marsh]

is rosey 1600?

[supple parrot]

i think so

but he is like 3x3

[sand marsh]

@quartz turret 1600 pls

idc

[supple parrot]

this guy is in extreme valtan

@quartz turret lets go nae, ur just gonna get jailed by degen hour groups

[sand marsh]

@cedar zealot hi are u around

voldis?

[uneven mortar]

I have a cute girlfriend right now, I think its time to take my leave from this grind hell. I accomplished what many players have not done like reaching 1620 and ranking grandmaster in pvp. Please do not ping me about the game lost ark any more. I have cut all ties with it and wished my guild all the best in their future hones for I cannot imagine myself clicking another hone button. I will be focusing more on my job and my girlfriend or soon to be wife. When we have kids I will also advice them to stay away from the game lost ark. I think it's time for people to wake up and stop farming cards like a prisoner or spending hours grinding alts. Please start thinking about your future, you would not be playing lost ark in 10 years so why waste the time now. Heed my advice, go out touch some grass.

[sand marsh]

I have a cute girlfriend right now, I think its time to take my leave from this grind hell. I accomplished what many players have not done like reaching 1620 and ranking grandmaster in pvp. Please do not ping me about the game lost ark any more. I have cut all ties with it and wished my guild all the best in their future hones for I cannot imagine myself clicking another hone button. I will be focusing more on my job and my girlfriend or soon to be wife. When we have kids I will also advice them to stay away from the game lost ark. I think it's time for people to wake up and stop farming cards like a prisoner or spending hours grinding alts. Please start thinking about your future, you would not be playing lost ark in 10 years so why waste the time now. Heed my advice, go out touch some grass.

[supple parrot]

[ancient talon]

@sand marsh your guide helped me imposter kaya hm yesterday.

1 shot

[sand marsh]

i doubt the guide helped. its up to the player behind the keyboard after all.

glad u cleared tho

[ancient talon]

nah i knew every mechanic from your vid. great guides

i went in blind the first time and jailed everyone

[sand marsh]

thats good. kaya is super ez. on par with valtan basically

[ancient talon]

feels bad to be bad

[sand marsh]

thats how i learned brel hm gate 4

watched a guide, impostered

cleared

[modest lichen]

blind to kay or just hm?

lmaoo i should do that tbh

[ancient talon]

blind to hard mode

i cleared kay 1st shot in a prog group

[modest lichen]

ahh

[ancient talon]

people are way less friendly in clown

cause it's just homework

[sand marsh]

if u have yet to clear kaya you should. its pretty chill

so chill that its kinda boring but its ez gold

[modest lichen]

lmaoo ye

[supple parrot]

another trash 5/3

[uneven mortar]

i impostored my akkan hm clear few weeks ago

[supple parrot]

WHY I ENVER GET GREAT SUCCESS

[uneven mortar]

feels good man

[sand marsh]

if ur good enough u can clear most of g3 with everyone dead except you

[uneven mortar]

you alr have 40 set right

[sand marsh]

dps check isnt that tight

[supple parrot]

i have 3 1620s

i have 40 set on one

[uneven mortar]

you still cutting?

[supple parrot]

[uneven mortar]

i hate cutting elixir

[modest lichen]

i took a break from the game bc of wow nd other games then i came back nd missed most of the souleater event so now its gonna take me forever to get lvl 3 set nd akkan gear

[dull obsidian]

dw

you'll get one back even better in 2 months

[sand marsh]

well another event is coming soon

[modest lichen]

lmaoo

[sand marsh]

thats better than the souleater event

[modest lichen]

ye ik but i might use that on breaker

[lean pewter]

[modest lichen]

its okay ig my SE will naturally have akkan gear nd lvl 3 set by then

[sand marsh]

think hard about that. i wouldnt set back your roster depending on where the ilvl of ur chars currently are.

but if u think u will enjoy it, go for it

[lean pewter]

scalp, where stream

[modest lichen]

[dull obsidian]

scalp

[lean pewter]

did amazon ban you on twitch as well

[sand marsh]

later today

[dull obsidian]

are you gonna aim for hm thaemine?

[sand marsh]

is the sky pink?

[lean pewter]

yes

[dull obsidian]

yes

[modest lichen]

wdym set back my roster? i have a 1580, 1560, 1500, 1500, 1490, 1415 nd 1415

[sand marsh]

no its not u idiot

[quartz turret]

madge

[sand marsh]

you should use it on ur 1560

unless u dont like it

[dull obsidian]

I mean idk if this is a yes or no

[modest lichen]

meh its my scouter i do like it alot

[quartz turret]

i havnt done story on nae

[sand marsh]

its an obvious no

[dull obsidian]

it can go both ways

[sand marsh]

i rather not deal with ultra hard content week 1

im casual

[lean pewter]

it isn't that obvious, lot of people are abusing drugs

[dull obsidian]

if you're casual

wtf am I

[sand marsh]

casual too

im working on my third 1620, not going for 1630

[dull obsidian]

third 1620 = casual

[sand marsh]

by casual i mean, i dont like hard content

life and work is already hard

[lean pewter]

according to scalp anyone that doesn't get first clear is casual

[sand marsh]

i wanna get off work

[lean pewter]

poor actual casuals

[uneven mortar]

these nibbs working on 6 1620

[sand marsh]

and not deal with more hard

[uneven mortar]

i cant be bothered making second

[sand marsh]

this is my opinion of course.

[dull obsidian]

I just make 1630

[supple parrot]

[dull obsidian]

and 1 1610/1620

and I'm done

[sand marsh]

if u have a static for hm, go for it.

but i dont wanna deal with the stress of the un-nerfed difficulty.

[dull obsidian]

We're just looking for 1 DPS to fill hm thaemine

[supple parrot]

why u hone 1630 so early

its 2 months away

[dull obsidian]

oh

I hit these with bounds

I went from 1620 -> 1629 with bounds

..

[sand marsh]

i could easily push my paladin to 1630 and get into a hm thaemine static

[dull obsidian]

bound leaps

[sand marsh]

but then i gotta deal with... hm thaemine

[dull obsidian]

Like I said I got extremely lucky

[uneven mortar]

[modest lichen]

ye will think ab it, breaker looks rlly fun

[supple parrot]

so its ok for u to hit 1629 off bound, and when i say i have 22 weapon off bound u lose ur mind? ya fuck u

[dull obsidian]

my armors were all 0-25% artisan

[uneven mortar]

[kind geyser]

is u hit 1630
then u can hit 1650 with edchidna

[lean pewter]

[dull obsidian]

I'm pretty disgusted about it too

[sand marsh]

look at the ilvl of the rest of his chars...

[sand marsh]

1630 is free

[quartz turret]

this slayer doing 10mil in g1

[supple parrot]

yo rosey is a bust, he havent done story

he aint gonna do it this week

susge

[lean pewter]

literally free

[sand marsh]

WTF

@quartz turret do the story, u got work to do sir

[supple parrot]

literal useless rosey

[dull obsidian]

Pretty sure I was susge of your +20 during week 2 of when people got akkan wep

its just luck

[sand marsh]

i was 1620 a month before voldis. felt good.

[supple parrot]

i mean i literally hit it off bounds right aftrer i got it? i had alot of bounds from before cuz i didnt push 1600 week1?

[dull obsidian]

I mean

I also just hit 1620 -> 1629 in under 3000 bounds

its bullshit for the average or under average luck player

[supple parrot]

[sand marsh]

im going for echidna strat

park at 1620

[modest lichen]

should i try to learn NM kay first then do HM? am alrdy 1580 but never done it nd i want the more set upgrade mats from hm

[sand marsh]

and wait for echidna

[dull obsidian]

holy

you're waiting a long time

[sand marsh]

yep. its the best idea for my roster anyways.

i need full 10s

[lean pewter]

I'm waiting as well, but I wanna push my wep to 22

[supple parrot]

see if u can pug a sup

[dull obsidian]

how do you not have them at this point

you bus more than me

and play 12 characters

[sand marsh]

I'd have them if i didnt push my pally to 1620

i spent a lotttt of gold

had to buy honor shards

[dull obsidian]

wtf

why even push then

buying shards

[sand marsh]

because when thaemine comes out i want to get into a group ez

and possibly sup trade

but now that i have two 1620 im starting to buy gems

i should have full 10s on zerker before thaemine

[sand marsh]

also i dont do this.

u do more thna me

[urban obsidian]

ishy

you literally bus

[sand marsh]

ughhh ok. ill sit in lobby sim

[urban obsidian]

50 akkans a week

[dull obsidian]

5 akkan 6 brels a week

[sand marsh]

ya i dont even bus that lol

only when someone begs me

[lean pewter]

casual behavior

[tulip charm]

i coudn't reply, was raiding, ill be sure to let them know next time

[kind geyser]

5 akkan and 6 brels? thats a lot of bus gold

[supple parrot]

who r u doing it with, go join roseys pug

[tulip charm]

some mari group i found, but a solid group, 2 have inferno title, solid players, but prong to raid fatigue, about 2 hours in some people started dying to regular patterns before ghost, it is what it is

why is rosey pugging????

[supple parrot]

we have to split off, cuz i cant play tmrw night, chinese newyear, ipugged it earlier

[tulip charm]

also the ex valtan group is not a normal one, like i said before, we don't have any gunlancers, 0 paladins, and only 1 soulfist, 2 bards, and we just learned how to dodge all the regular patterns, no one brought timestops either

we are resuming tmrw 430

[lean pewter]

you don't need actual hell comps for extan

it's way easier

[tulip charm]

if thats still not a clear, i can't play sunday, so its monday or tuesday angle, if all else fails can always finish next week, i think it follows the brel g4 lockout system, so if you finish next week its still fine

[uneven mortar]

we gonna spend 2 hour if nowhere close to clear will prolly do normal

[sand marsh]

u gonna miss out on dis tho

[supple parrot]

i mean, just find a group that has cleanse lol

[uneven mortar]

its only like 60k gold right

or 100k

[supple parrot]

also it doesnt matter if u get slowed on arti

[uneven mortar]

lol

[sand marsh]

well normal is less mats

[supple parrot]

wait why u gotta dodge

[sand marsh]

100 less leaps i think

[supple parrot]

u just sit in wheelchair

[uneven mortar]

still good

[tulip charm]

i thought it was imposible without a reliable cleanse, but everyone is dodging it, we are not dying to the slow

its to other stuff

[sand marsh]

making it harder on urself

finding a pally cant be hard

[tulip charm]

also why are you guys pugging? even if you can't play tmrw why don't you guys just wait

[supple parrot]

i mean the group i joined earlier, they didnt know gl has cleanse, and they were just dodging it and we cleared

[tulip charm]

wait till your free

oh, you already cleared lol

[supple parrot]

i mean its gonna be like weekday

or next week

[tulip charm]

i am the bard

[supple parrot]

lol

its gonna be a shit show next week pugging

[sand marsh]

honed the one sup without a cleanse

madge

[tiny sage]

Any1 wana do nornal extreme naw

[supple parrot]

zheng doesnt have paly

his ayaya is lopang

[sand marsh]

wat the

[supple parrot]

well bard dont need to dodge either lol

u can tank everything with that super armor thing

the dmg out put in this

is like the same as hm valtan

on ilvl

[tulip charm]

yea raphsody can even tank the raid starting big spears, only does 50k

but i still have to dodge it, there is some stragglers that fail to dodge i have to purify them

[supple parrot]

r u sittin in lobby? how is it looking

[uneven mortar]

damn man whats up with people suiciding in front of a train

[sand marsh]

sat for 5mins gave up

[supple parrot]

[supple parrot]

[sand marsh]

dw im off weekend

[uneven mortar]

no more train cause some dude lost against their inner demon

[tulip charm]

❓

[supple parrot]

[uneven mortar]

imagine those people that have to watch a dude go splat

[uneven mortar]

just got notification train stops servicing in my line cause someone jumped

[tulip charm]

what happened?

is there a link to this?

[uneven mortar]

not sure

https://www.reddit.com/r/sydney/comments/1an78vl/fatality_at_stanmore_station/

i was like train where

this is not the first time either this happened lol

[tulip charm]

maybe this is gonna sound blunt, but idk how to say it otherwise, its new years, a time for celebration, and people make resolutions, jumping infront of a train could be one of them

[keen copper]

[uneven mortar]

[tulip charm]

i don't think its funny, but thats how some people are, they wake up one day and they just decided to jump, i use to think this is not a thing and people don't work like that, but apparently some people do
i heard a story on how a alcohalic quit drinking, and his reason was one day he woke up and decided to quit drinking

[supple parrot]

[uneven mortar]

back then i kinda feel sorry for them, but now im just kinda annoyed lol since they halt everything and give alot of people ptsd when they do this

[tulip charm]

some people are very spontaneus, i think thats the right word here

[uneven mortar]

can you imagine planning to try fettucine boscaiola in a restaurant you havent tried before, and then watch some dude go splat blood everywhere

now you wont be eating for a week

and finna need some counseling no?

[buoyant wagon]

The train: “Nah, I’d win”

[uneven mortar]

[buoyant wagon]

https://tenor.com/view/goku-fusion-thomas-gif-13867954

[tulip charm]

where in the world did you find this

lol

[buoyant wagon]

Saved it from another server

[sand marsh]

[supple parrot]

there is no lobbies for shit on nae

trash region

[sand marsh]

Perfect time to do my dailies

[ancient talon]

bruh i just started raiding this week and realized how shite the raid experience is for new players

[sand marsh]

ya it's kinda bad. but once u know the raids comfortably it's all on auto pilot like the rest of us in here.

i just noticed ur on NAE. if u need help with anything let meknow

[ancient talon]

too much friction for new players. don't think LA has much player base growth potential

sadge

i swapped to NAW actually

[buoyant wagon]

It doesn’t need that

[sand marsh]

wtf

[ancient talon]

but thanks man

[sand marsh]

betrayal

yikes

[buoyant wagon]

Because the pay model is heavily based on existing players paying

[ancient talon]

i travel a lot so i get more consistent ping

[sand marsh]

well given how AGS treats this region, EOS japan soon

[ancient talon]

more players = more fun

[dull obsidian]

we just had 4 people sacred charm 3x

[ancient talon]

= more clout for existing players

[dull obsidian]

and then the other 4 sacred charm 3x

[supple parrot]

my deadeye is closing in on 1620

[sand marsh]

this is true but serenei has a valid point. the problem is when those existing players get fed up & quit.

like me personally, i havent swiped in a long time because i don't see a good future for the game that includes everyone

[ancient talon]

i understand the design goals. it's just brutal for new players

you eat shit from other people for months

[delicate sandal]

this shit is dumb af i didnt know it was character bound

[sand marsh]

and i know others who are doing the same.

[delicate sandal]

why is it even character bound

[sand marsh]

AGS could have my money, but they are being stupid with the direction of the game. well, smilegate specifically.

[supple parrot]

why is there so many valtand vykas lobbies on nae at this time, but never have lobbies for like relevant raids like hm akkan and voldis?

[delicate sandal]

wait can u imagine claiming that shit on a shitty lopang

[supple parrot]

is nae just full of alt roster rice eaters

[sand marsh]

NAE has the cheapest blue crystal price. more alt rosters on NAE

[supple parrot]

farming raid on 1540 alt accs?

[sand marsh]

yep

[tawny lion]

Naw has the Ferrari driving lost ark sticker chads

[sand marsh]

I said this months ago.

[buoyant wagon]

Won’t happen any time soon

Maplestory gets away with worse

[sand marsh]

i know. im partially joking.

but as i said above, i dont see a good future for the game.

so ags wont have my money

[buoyant wagon]

This game only needs server and maybe region merges

[tawny lion]

Maplestory servers just need 5 hamsters and barely uses bandwidth

[buoyant wagon]

And it is sustainable even with like 20k concurrent

[sand marsh]

i cant consciously swipe in a game that doesnt have a promising future. feels like its getting burned.

[supple parrot]

Implying they got it before

Fucking whales man

[tawny lion]

No game has a future bro just enjoy it for the moment

Live service games are temporary

[sand marsh]

plenty of MMOs have survived the test of time.

lost ark... eh idk

[dawn yacht]

I was sleeping like a rock when you pinged was waiting for ping earlier

[buoyant wagon]

As long as the heavy spenders don’t quit

They aren’t worried

[tawny lion]

I mean if you’re playing wow for 17 years straight I guarantee u have issues.

[sand marsh]

well dont u agree that whales like to eat up the fish. what happens when there's no more fish

[buoyant wagon]

If you didn’t spend much to begin with, you aren’t important to them

[delicate sandal]

u need to do more dailies

[sand marsh]

I played 15 years on & off.

[buoyant wagon]

Whales don’t leave as quickly as you think

There are dozens of no name games out there

[ancient talon]

the final phase of a game's life cycle is always OGs that have played for years

[buoyant wagon]

With like 5k players or less

[uneven mortar]

can always play random games

[buoyant wagon]

Which are funded heavily by the few dozen to hundred whales left

[sand marsh]

I'm not saying they will leave as quickly. But an MMO needs a populous.

a shitty gacha game with hardly any multiplayer end game content, who cares if it has 5k players

it doesnt rely on multiplayer as much

[buoyant wagon]

There aren’t any population issues as long as they merge regions and servers

[ancient talon]

Serenei is just arguing from a business model perspective and we're arguing for player experience

[sand marsh]

bruh i hope so

[ancient talon]

weirdga

as a player you always want more people playing

[buoyant wagon]

No point arguing player experience

[sand marsh]

ive been begging for a NA region merge

forever

[buoyant wagon]

AGS won’t do shit

[ancient talon]

it's just a discussion

[buoyant wagon]

Because of inexperience and lack of resources

[sand marsh]

Specifically, smilegate won't. but hey at least we get something with the solo raids.

[ancient talon]

and an estimation of the game's future growth

[buoyant wagon]

And likely a restrictive contract

Kmmos don’t grow

They just have a leveled off decline

[sand marsh]

maybe if tencent starts manipulating smilegate into making friendly changes we may see a change

china is #1 afterall

[buoyant wagon]

Their design and monetization have never been conducive to new player retention

lol you don’t want Tencent managing the game beyond the community stuff

[uneven mortar]

exactly

[buoyant wagon]

Because the monetization is only going to be worse

[sand marsh]

idk man clown and brel nerfs seem nice

[uneven mortar]

although bdo worked super hard for good new player exp

[supple parrot]

? What. U realize cn is like 500x worse than global right

[buoyant wagon]

Sure as a whale you get better value

But expect to never get anything free again

[sand marsh]

and they have a strict stance on RMT that no other region has.,

[buoyant wagon]

Also they are less likely to listen to you with regards to making the game more f2p friendly

[uneven mortar]

you want to stick a carrot for the f2p players so they can start playing

[buoyant wagon]

They only rolled back the legendary skin controversy because it literally lit the community on fire

[ancient talon]

i should have played new world

[supple parrot]

Which does nothing. Because ppl just buy from non botted gold which is allowed. Why even talk when u don’t know

[buoyant wagon]

Lmao no they don’t

[sand marsh]

yes, u cant regulate player to player transactions. thats impossible. duh

[buoyant wagon]

They have heavier restrictions that make it harder to do but it’s no deterrent

[uneven mortar]

oh introduction of bozo jar?

[buoyant wagon]

Not that

[supple parrot]

Ppl rmt 500x more in cn than here

[buoyant wagon]

Their CNY skins were going to add stat bonuses on top of legendaries

[sand marsh]

what makes u think that?

[buoyant wagon]

People really didn’t like the direction where they would go

[uneven mortar]

oh

[sand marsh]

why would china have bigger whales. isnt the cost of living in china bad

[buoyant wagon]

So mass bitching ensued on every platform

[swift tree]

3% bonus and it was prohibitively expensive.

[buoyant wagon]

And they caved and rolled it back

[swift tree]

worse than Yoz

[buoyant wagon]

It wasn’t prohibitively expensive

[supple parrot]

Because it’s true? What do u mean? Ppl are 1570 at argos

[buoyant wagon]

It’s just people have bad experiences from progressively stat crept gear from other tencent games

[supple parrot]

In cn culture. Rmt is accepted as the norm.

[sand marsh]

we couldnt have 1570 at argos in NA because we didnt have the t3 changes we had now. otherwise we would of had 1570 at argos lmao

[swift tree]

wasn't the calculation worse than siderial tho?
Balance reasons aside.

[uneven mortar]

but then again tencent publish all mmo in cn

[buoyant wagon]

This

[buoyant wagon]

What

It’s CNY skins

[uneven mortar]

thats more like asian culture

[buoyant wagon]

That they sell in shop

[swift tree]

nvm

[uneven mortar]

back in indonesia people was posting zeny price

in the netcafes

[sand marsh]

Maybe your right about china being worse, but why did raid nerfs happen in CN first that seem more new player friendly?

[supple parrot]

I mean in China there is a lot of broke ass college students that play game to farm gold and sell to afford food

They are playing the game as a job for a dollar per hour

[uneven mortar]

much better for whales right

[buoyant wagon]

CN players are also on average

A lot mechanically worse than NA EU players

[sand marsh]

no way this is true

[uneven mortar]

cuz they are new

[supple parrot]

Usually when new game release gold price is high. So all gold farmer will swarm that game cuz u make decent amount

[sand marsh]

i refuse to believe this.

[buoyant wagon]

They’re extremely casual from a gameplay improvement perspective

“I play games to relax, not sweat”

[supple parrot]

Like when new world came out. There was a lot of Chinese gold farmer

On my server

[sand marsh]

in my 3rd voldis hm clear we had a CN glaiver who never did g4 before, he was cracked

[swift tree]

Multiple reasons:
A) Limited leisure time in China.
B) The mentality that gaming is only for kids still pervades CN politicians
C) As an attempt to limit exposure to "non-CN ordained creations"
tl;dr CN players have limited time they can actually play so getting jailed in a raid for several hours is literally impossible for that market.

[sand marsh]

i doubt CN players are mechnically worse.

[buoyant wagon]

The people who are playing in global are the invested players and streamers

[sand marsh]

i would like to see some proof regarding that

[supple parrot]

They are not. But ppl will be more casual

Obv u will have hardcore players

[sand marsh]

why?

[supple parrot]

And they will be good

[buoyant wagon]

The average Wang in China is a mega casual who doesn’t really care about meta gaming

[swift tree]

It's not casual issues, it's issues of playtime

[buoyant wagon]

Or optimizing dps

[sand marsh]

western is the most casual no?

[uneven mortar]

damn sounds like tencent knows how the game should be run

[buoyant wagon]

lol no

We are meter whores

[uneven mortar]

its the casual shit thst makes money

[supple parrot]

Casual crowd won’t stick around to games like this for the most part in western. But in China they will just wipe and stick around

[swift tree]

NA are meter whores, 100%

[buoyant wagon]

The west is the most cutthroat mmo region

[supple parrot]

U look at kr/cn

[buoyant wagon]

We are the parse humpers

[sand marsh]

i dont believe this. i always hear the sentiment of "NA casual, NA brainded"

[supple parrot]

There is a lot more casual andies

Than western

[sand marsh]

from all sorts of genres

not even MMOs

[buoyant wagon]

NA casual works for mobas

[sand marsh]

particularly

[uneven mortar]

i guess kr using dps meter is bannable

[buoyant wagon]

And RTS

[uneven mortar]

but in west its not actioned

[sand marsh]

why would MMOs be different then?

for 'na not being casual'

[uneven mortar]

and you have parser in ff and wow

[buoyant wagon]

mmo degening has always been the provenance of NA

[supple parrot]

Because western audience swipe less on average. So casual players can’t keep up so they just quit

Culture in Asian countries swipe more

So they can keep up

As casual

[buoyant wagon]

China isn’t necessarily more casual in playtime

[sand marsh]

because western audience swipes less on average, that should correlate to more casuals

compared to other regions?

[buoyant wagon]

But they’re more casual in gameplay improvement

[supple parrot]

No there’s ppl that literally just swipe and play like Few hours a week

And will be max ilvl

[uneven mortar]

i remember in mobile mmos its always the sg snd cn guild have guys spending 1k per week

[swift tree]

Overgeneralisation.

NA has the issue of "DURGH NUMBER GO UP" when it comes to playing multiplayer games.
Obsession with bigger numbers, large stats and being the highest DPS.

The "NA is bad a raids" comes from the focus on DPS over doing complex mechanics, usually ones that involve co-operating with other people and having basic interpersonal skills. Since many NA players can have the communication skills of a boiled toad most days.

See: EU/NA playerbases in most past MMORPGs.

[supple parrot]

[buoyant wagon]

Scalp has not played in China

[uneven mortar]

[sand marsh]

i dont think this is the majority of whales.

most whales i know play A LOT

more than i do

[buoyant wagon]

Let me tell you from someone who has played on there

The average player there is about worse than we were at the same point of the game

[supple parrot]

Here. Not in China. Thad’s the point u idiot

Learn to read

[uneven mortar]

[buoyant wagon]

They don’t nearly follow guides as religiously as we do

[supple parrot]

There’s a lot more ppl like wrekk

[buoyant wagon]

And their class guides are worse than ours

[sand marsh]

how does that make china more casual? because they play less?

[supple parrot]

In cn

They just swipe

[uneven mortar]

[supple parrot]

And don’t do dailies

[buoyant wagon]

They don’t play less necessarily

[supple parrot]

Or raids

Just play when they want

[uneven mortar]

im f2p

[buoyant wagon]

They just give less of a shit about logging

[supple parrot]

They can always just swipe

To get ilvl

And gear

[buoyant wagon]

And rotation optimizing

[uneven mortar]

[buoyant wagon]

And chasing ceiling effectively

[sand marsh]

This makes more sense. but I never heard of china being less casual. i always thought they were good players. and from my anecdotal experience it seems to be true. the asian audience in general tha tis

[buoyant wagon]

They like dumb easy shit like spec supports because it’s cheap theoretical ceiling

But they’ll practically never hit it

Because they don’t have the hands or the gems

[obtuse oyster]

[supple parrot]

Ppl will swipe to max ilvl so they can play inefficiently and still do ok cuz they get gear carried

[buoyant wagon]

^

[quiet igloo]

[buoyant wagon]

I was pugging g4 yesterday

[quiet igloo]

Shapes mech confusing me ngl

[uneven mortar]

i guess if you overlvl you can finish shit faster

[sand marsh]

how can china swipe so much if the cost of living is bad?

[obtuse oyster]

till, they reach a point where gear can't carry and they need actual hands

[buoyant wagon]

The amount of subhuman 1575 weapon dps was real

[obtuse oyster]

[sand marsh]

or am i misinformed about that

[uneven mortar]

have you seen how rich chinese are

the upper class

[sand marsh]

i have not

[obtuse oyster]

how can people here swipe so much with the cost of living sucks

[buoyant wagon]

Cost of living is low enough that if you don’t go out and aren’t married

[obtuse oyster]

don't genrealize an entire population

[supple parrot]

If they can’t clear it then they just don’t do it. It’s not a big deal for them if they want achieve they buy bus or pilot

[buoyant wagon]

You can still spend your whole paycheck on games

And still live ok

[sand marsh]

idk man thats why im asking

[swift tree]

Chinese players that make the effort to get VPNs, Internet wall bypasses, learn second language etc. are inherently more invested and will put in more up-front effort. Confirmation Bias when interacting with CN players outside of CN region.

[buoyant wagon]

Also they have a lot of rich people

[ancient talon]

wealth disparity is massive in china despite low gdp per capita

[sand marsh]

oh ok. so NA basically

[swift tree]

**Growing Middle-class whilst USA/EU middle-class is shrinking

[ancient talon]

probably most millionaires in the world in china in one country

[sand marsh]

i thought it was worse

myb

[buoyant wagon]

It’s a lot more possible to spend your whole paycheck on vidya in China than NA

Because everything else is cheaper

You can also just live with your parents

[supple parrot]

I mean there’s ppl who are broke and ppl who are not. There is over a billion ppl. So even the 1% is ALOT of ppl. Most brokies are either the gold farmers or not wasting their time on games cuz they need a fucking job to survive

[buoyant wagon]

Which is less of a cultural norm in the US

[sand marsh]

I think you are mistaken on this point.

It has become the norm in the last decade if you ask me.

[uneven mortar]

in asia people live with their parents much longer

[swift tree]

Other bit is Lost Ark has less direct competitors in China.

[uneven mortar]

seems frowned upon on the west

[buoyant wagon]

You don’t think there’s cultural stigma attached to living with your parents into your 30s still?

[sand marsh]

The "kicked out at 18" thing in NA just doesnt happena nymore.

[sand marsh]

No. Because gen z realizes how fuckin stupid that sounds lmao

[supple parrot]

I mean today we literally had a Chinese bard. 1620. Dude didn’t even have brand in his build

[uneven mortar]

to be fair im not feeling it lol, but whats stigma for when youre saving 40-50k a year

[supple parrot]

[swift tree]

It's frowned upon by the USA/Allied Boomers who experienced a brief moment of prosperity that the world didn't have.

[uneven mortar]

over 10 years its half a mil

[buoyant wagon]

Doesn’t matter when gen z thinks it’s dumb if their parents are still delusional and want them to move out

[sand marsh]

the older generation that expected to move out at 18 and fend for themselves are dying off.

[uneven mortar]

you can buy another investment property with half a mil

lol

[sand marsh]

statistically i could be wrong, but i see it being accepted waaay more often

[buoyant wagon]

They’re still around in enough numbers and vote

[swift tree]

that stigma has been slowly dying since the GFC in the Bush administration.

[sand marsh]

When im in my mid 30-40s they should be gone

[urban obsidian]

[uneven mortar]

i have relative living with parents 45 with like 3/4 investment property snd god knows how much in shares

[fallen vigil]

would be nice if the average person could afford to move out and fend for themselves

[uneven mortar]

dudes passive income is what i make whole year working

[buoyant wagon]

Either way going back to the earlier point

[sand marsh]

most of the people i grew up with still live with their parents. and they arent basement dwellers, they pay rent & whatnot. just makes logical sense to do this because of the housing market.

[swift tree]

That sounds more like a "Parents live with me" etc. and low-key the reverse side of the problem

[buoyant wagon]

Don’t be so quick to praise tencent for the good they’ve done

Because the Chinese server has plenty of downsides too

[swift tree]

@uneven mortar You Australian?

[sand marsh]

You do agree that they have made good changes no? That will translate to other regions?

[uneven mortar]

wym i live in aus

[sand marsh]

You don't think that will continue to happen?

I'm sure the 'bad changes' won't translate to KR or NA.

[swift tree]

So yeah, Negative-Gearing.

[sand marsh]

Because KR would probably be mad.

[buoyant wagon]

Their good changes won’t translate to other regions because it’s mainly community management

[uneven mortar]

massive neg gearing

[sand marsh]

Pretty sure KR is getting the clown nerf.

Or has already gotten it.

Not too sure.

[swift tree]

Yeah.. .which is part of the reason why housing market in AU is so bad.

[buoyant wagon]

And they have a far more permissive contract

That allows them to negotiate greater changes

Korea doesn’t have it

Chinese players call their server the “bao bao bus” region for a reason

[uneven mortar]

yep

[swift tree]

People with capital can flip equity on houses, and write off loses on tax.
Those without capital get trapped in rental market or live with parents.

either way... people end up living with family.

[sand marsh]

You don't think KR or NA region will get it?

[buoyant wagon]

Basically they are babies who need to be handheld

[fallen vigil]

should've bought amd and nvidia in may

would've been rich

[buoyant wagon]

No idea

[sand marsh]

I think it would be a good PR move for AGS to include it in our region.

the brel and clown change

[urban obsidian]

the brel change isnt rly needed

[swift tree]

At most Clown would benefit from the saw change.

[sand marsh]

ig so, it's minor.

i think clown is a nicer change if you ask me.

it's a gold earner until 1580

[swift tree]

Less of a reflection on the playerbase and more on server stability tbh

desync + saws is not a fun time

[buoyant wagon]

The change would be nice but it’s pretty late

[sand marsh]

Had this happen to me once, was very strange lol

[sand marsh]

Was also going to say this. When I see good changes like this I think to myself "too little too late"

Why does this always happen lmao

[swift tree]

Once got killed by a red saw coming out of mario that hadn't loaded on my screen

[uneven mortar]

kinda crazy how tencent gets all these nice stuff and we have ags who dont even bother playing their own game

[sand marsh]

According to henry he is a gamer

[uneven mortar]

even server stability is not so good despite them owning aws

[buoyant wagon]

Because that’s normal?

[urban obsidian]

a good chunk of them do play it

[swift tree]

Some do, but the team has to answer to deadbrained suits that make final decisions.
Project Leads that only have seniority simply because they've been in the business longer.

[urban obsidian]

[supple parrot]

I mean u get wut u pay for cn poe has auto loot but u gotta pay like every league to unlock it

[buoyant wagon]

Other regions walked so later regions can run

[sand marsh]

To me it seems like the devs are idiots lol. I don't see why that would be normal if you have a functioning brain.

[urban obsidian]

tencent also produces infinitely more money for sg then we do

so it makes sense that they get more

[buoyant wagon]

Our version of the game got nerfs quicker than Korea did

[quiet igloo]

[buoyant wagon]

Logically China gets nerfs that impact them appropriate for their schedule

[swift tree]

China is also getting progression dumped out a lot faster.

[sand marsh]

Sure. Valid point. But any dev would quickly realize that clown g3 is now considered more punishing on ilvl than brel 1-3. (this is my opinion).

[urban obsidian]

i mean yeah

thats how it works

[swift tree]

They're on Brelshaza within 6 months, we had near 12

[uneven mortar]

ags is prolly running on skeleton crew

[urban obsidian]

difficulty goes in phases

[buoyant wagon]

Why would they nerf clown and brel before they hit our versions if they didn’t have that much data?

[urban obsidian]

you can see that with brel > kayangel/ akkan

[supple parrot]

Cn don’t get free express and shit right u gotta buy everything

[uneven mortar]

look at all the low budget shit they are doing

[buoyant wagon]

China saw global data on player exodus

[urban obsidian]

and kayangel/akkan to ivory/thaemine