#lost-ark-discussions
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what the

only people who actually rmt would think like that
get ur mind out the gutter
what game is this
Same

god of war 
how many months between akkan til today?
server so shit rn idk if i wanna do it

i'm trying to estimate how long people had to hone for 1620
3 months?
oh shit
took me 1.4m i think 17-19 armor
well it depends where u were b4 akkan

had to buy all shards
i wanted to get spiderman too
cause you didn't want to push it?
half a year is a long ass time to farm mats i guess
ya scrapper pissed me off
meta chaser
pushed zerker instead
you dont like scrapper?
which was 1580
i like it now, but not enough to hit 1620 on it
buy lethal company
i dont play horro games
almost 6 months
Even for the ceo of the company ?
it has active identity now. 600 expertise can solo stagger g3 brel
1620 costs too much rn


nah, chaun showed it's easy
sinner
and getting stuck in lfg sucks
is the server crappinjg out on you guys in nawest?
wdym its free?
ye
infinite blue loading screen
Ye by using code chuan
just logout and play something else
still behind on raids..
nah i used code deathboi for free taps
also need to buy them aura before they remove it
i free tapped 4 times when honing my pally from 1600 to 1615
and most taps were under 10% artisan
hows your federal due
1.4k
ill get taxed alot this financial year

do it rn
i think its only expensive for my se since no shard or leaps
but for my scrapper prolly will be only 1m
when another sup hit 1620 in my static ill hone another 
sorc is 1616 off bounds, can hit last 4 hones anytime i want 


Bound fusion materials 
JUST DO DAILIES 😜
Teach me
WILL HAVE ENUFF
your static aint gonna be lucky like u
proving everything u said to be kaka poopoo
Shut up honkai filth

Slander
fr fr 
the soul eater power pass is one per region right? not server?
need to get cheap aura before its gone
i mean u defin hit 1610+ off bound by this point, prob 1615+ like me, then u just use some unbound to finish off the last 5 hones or w/e if u want. and this is for alts, main u would have more bounds off roster bound chests and bonus una tickets etc


g3 akkan when he spins his scythe i hate that move so dumb hitbox is ambiguous
just eat it
i hug the boss from behind and take 40k dmg 2x in a row
like what
the animation doesnt even show that it will hit that close to him
sup shuld dr
if you do dailies on the char for years 1620 is reallt cheap
my scrapper and zerker road to 1620 will be real cheap
it is, ppl here are stupid ass whales that dont do dailies and then say its expensive and dont believe me when i say its not


so im in nawets, i can make one in euro and take addvantage of the discounted blue crystall?
yeah i guess



He really using his luck as worse case scenario
fr
JUST DONT PITY ANY PIECES MORE THAN TWICE GUYS
Guys I'm lucky, why do people complain? It's not hard at all for me when I don't fail, why can't everyone just be like me
ok lets do the math real quick, with average scenario, which is pretty accurate across 13-19 on 6 pieces since ur luck averages out. it is about 10k leaps according to maxroll. u can like 7k+ bound leap assuming u were 1580 by akkan release which is the minimum, ppl here were prob higher or had saved up mats. then u account for fused leap hits, and bonuses u can get via special stuff, it is hard to 1620? i dont think so

Someone screenshot bots farming flowers
luck does not "average" out

Send them this
honestly it's pretty easy to calculate if the amount of mats you can farm over 7 months gets you to 1620
statistics, do u know how it works? go hone from 1580 to 1620 u will be within 10% of the average 90% of the time
then just add variable luck on top of that
yet, people are still extemely lucky and extremely unlucky
Do I only need one 6/3 accessory if I have a 9/6 rock? For the +1
noone here is the average case
I think I remember seeing that somewhere
yes, u would have to be top or bottom 1-2% of the bellcurve for that to happen, yall act like EVERYONE is in those out liers

You act like everyone hits the average
i feel like even if you're bottom 20% you're still pretty fucked
90% are within 10% of average
66% of players are within 1 standard deviation
68% i mean
within 1 standard deviation
what is more stupid, assuming 90% of ppl accounts for the player base, or the 2% outliers
holy shit

the ppl here who complain about honing luck arent even that unlucky if u have them list out exactly how many leaps they used
literal confirmation bias when they complain, they'll bitch about few hones over 80% artisan
then gloss it over when they hit some 2 taps
zheng is prime example
this reminds me of playing legion in WoW
i didn't get BiS legendary until final month
i was the 1%
and it ruined my experience
dogshit system
anways back to memeing
bro you should see the people in my guild
i swear they have a different game client
"Just do dailies for hours a day for 180 days straight" 

no no no, their luck should average out like chaun said 
can someone explain me how i ended up here
im from euc
why am i here literaly
got no invite whatsoever
ennui
I am more curious on the frog tmrw is the leap Chests gonna be 2x or 5x
it's gonna be depresso amount
what luck is, is positive outliers within standard deviation, when ur talking about isolated events like honing 1 weapon hone such as going to 25 weapon, then the standard deviation is huge
if ur talking about going from 1580->1620
it is very low
as the amount of taps is so high

Go to bed old man 

if you apply normal distribution to the full playerbase there are 15.9% that experience poor luck
They are somehow all artilerists from rohendel also 
and 2.3% that get absolute dogshit luck
no, variance will be much lower because you need so many taps. something like 15-20% would be the case for few hones
not for a large amount of hones
like talkin about 1580-1620
i'm just using the bell curve percentages
if that would be the only rng based impoovement it would be fine
You’ll average out in the long run but that only applies if you are honing a lot

There’s too much variance before then
and if you have infinite gold/mats
which noone does
68% are within 1 standard deviation of average
its like playin black jack, if u play 1 million hands, u will be very close to winning/losing 50/50. but if u play 100 hands, teh variance will be much higher
15.9 are < 1 standard deviation
sample size matters
It’s been fairly average for me
Using myself as an example, honing with bounds mostly, the gs is still at 1614, 2 others at 1617.5, glavier way ahead the pack somehow
Off the top of my head
u have to factor in variance
But I’ve honed a lot more than most players
ur ignoring a very big factor
Also not all averages are equal
u cant u literally got 2 esters and 500k acc drops
variance affects the width of the curve right
Getting cucked on weapon 20-25 while getting lucky on armor 20-25 still puts you heavily in the red
i'm genuinely curious. haven't done stats in over a decade. how does variance change things?
This is a correct that people seemed to be forgetting
think about it this way, if u had 100000 ppl playing blackjack, if each person only play 5 hands, there will be alot more ppl who got "lucky" or "unlucky". if every player played 1000 hands, then there will be very few "lucky or unlucky" ppl, cuz variance is much lower
n=infinity still is the standard bell curve
i think we're assuming just success vs pity
but yeah it hurts more to have bad luck higher ilvl you go
Purely from my own experiences
im just glad im gonna be the first f2p with +25 wep soonge 
that’s just truth, somehow gs so unlucky it’s way behind the pack, but that’s fine, your gonna get unlucky from time to time, my bard was very unlucky also but when I forced the last 4 hones with unbounds it was very lucky
there isnt one that is super high when ur just talkin about going 1580 to 1620. we are not talkin about hittin 25 weapon or something niche here
if ur 1600 using this ur just cheap
Going extremely high artisans/pity about lines up with the calculated percentages
el cheapo
i think its all abt believing in the heart of the card
it doesnt matter what n is. 15.9% of the population fall below 1 standard deviation of avg honing
"Heart of the card please guide me" -Yami Yugi
if lost ark has 30k players 4770 players got fucked
Except variance exists, which means that let’s say for a small sample of 30 players
You likely will not have exactly 15.9% of them fall below 1 std deviation
pussy
isn't variance just the width of the bell curve?
If you have a sample size of like 5000 then yeah the 15.9% is a lot more likely
Std deviation is the width
But since variance is the sq rt of std deviation
Yes in a sense it is related to width
i remember in stats 10 years ago that a sample size of 100 is enough to get a decent match with the bell curve
rip atk spd and ms feast
16% is based on normal distribution, something like honing from 1580 to 1620
thje distribution would be much more focused
in the middle of bell curve
would it be incorrect to assume that the average honing scenario is the average in a normal distribution?
100 is like
also u have to consider what it means to be 1sd out, i dont think that would be that far from the average as stated in maxroll
u would have to get to 2sd out
to be considered giga unlucky
The minimum sample size for a decent study
and that would be a much lower number
when do we get that new special honing
And not all studies can go that small
exactly. n=100 is the minimum so when talking about lost ark we have 30k
Especially if the default variance is high
a long time, maybe like 6 month
At 5k subjects you’d probably have a very close approximation to the curve
so are not 15.9% of players experiencing bad luck
Also there are things that throw the curve off
Like whether you are supposed to use solars or not
what happens if we bundle each persons taps
and then place them on a normal distribution
i need to go back to school

no, because this would assume 2 things, that the distribution is completely normal and that going off by 1sd is considered bad luck, when its prob not even that far off from average
why wouldn't the distribution be normal if we are assuming an average scenario based on chance of event success
hell academy screenshots have so many helltan screenshots
It should be a normal distribution under a few assumptions - everyone is either using or not using solars, only one honing level is being calculated
how bad the luck is would be the variance
so to make hell content more popular just make ex of a raid
aka if the variance is high then bad luck hurts more
if the variance is low then being bottom 15.9% would mean less
aka the curve is very tall and narrow
because the data would be closer packed towards the middle, cuz its hard to get out of the middle when u ahve enuf hones, there is a pity system also, if there was no pity system it would be less packed towards middle
i just ate 2 plates of roasted duck
Calculating multiple hones doesn’t work/is more complicated
i agree the pity system would not make it a normal distribution
complete normal distribution would be a honing system without artisan and pity
Because artisans gain is different
it's fatter to the right
but if we bundle every individuals hones and then place them on a curve
what would that look like
a normal distribution?
it would be fatter to the right
with the fatter right tail
where's my share?
like u said
it would be tighter packed to the middle
the left tail will be very narrow
no because honing system it self

leans u toward right side of curve
and middle
cuz it has artisan
and pity
its immpossible to get insanely unlucky due to pity 
there is acut off
to how unlucky
u can get
if it was normal there would be a very small number of players never successfully honing
1 dude out there
like playing black jack, technically u can lose 1 billion hand in a row, but that isnt possible with honing

In this case you’re supposed to artificially trim the curve to account for pity
But yeah it gets somewhat messy
yes it'd be a cliff on the left side
chuan calculates based on 100% pity bar
i mean. 15.9% of players still fall within left tail. we're just talking about how fucked they are
for fun
chuan please be my dad
Just calculate it on uninstalling the game. 0 taps and 0 chance of honing. No gold or material cost.
chuan IS your dad, he left for milk when you were 2

fuck
ok son, imma just step out to get some milk
You guys are making this too complicated, just turn off your brain and click the honing button

roasted ducks are so good
Be happy if it hits early and be sad if it hits late
i wish this game was as big as wow so giga nerds could map everything out
whos not even 1620 by now
at least our honing system isnt like BDO which is FUCKED FUCKED
fuck yes
Nerds have, but they speak Korean
I am not on 3 char
BDO makes up for its honing system by letting you buy everything
if ur not 1620 ur prob a late player
i ate 2 plates, full, now im sleepy af
u dont count u got 2000$ for free
When did you join?

it cuz im gonna reroll i could if i wanted but still
me
i have enough mats to go to 1620 but im afraid no one accepting me in hm ivory which then my ilvl is useless
but everything u buy, it means someone else gambled and honed right 

but ur not day 1 player

People will always do that, especially the moguls
i am
I thought of that kanon vid right away
Because it’s actually profitable to hone in the extreme long run
But you need way too many resources to make it viable
jUsT uSe tHe BiRtHdAy HoNiNg MaTs aNd GoLd
well i think u can get to 1620 if u dont spread ur resources
100%
theres enough video that proof bdo is p2w. a SG guy spent 10k usd just for PEN deboreka
been like 1.5 months since voldis
not sgd, usd
i mean on average its better to just roll it ur self in these type of things usually. like on poe, ppl will always pay more the average cost fora 6 link
The only fucked part is for items that are not commonly listed because of their rarity

itsdubla did the math on honing past 1540. you don't recoup investment until a year or so later
You have to hone that yourself
1620 doesnt seems that hard
You can’t pay more than average
Market price is regulated
no its hard just easier when more time passes
Go all guardians, chaos, raids etc. funnel everything into main. Can get to 1620 ezpz. Issue is managing burnout
but i would rather
than honing my sorc to 1620
but in PoE you can duplicate items
you just have to purchase that mirror idk
moving a brick house isn't hard. you just have to move it brick by brick over 12 months
If anything market price for some max enhancement accessories is too low
Which is why they don’t get listed
But for most things the market price is the average cost to get it
do u even play poe, a mirror's cost is astronomical compared to ur average players' items
i know
Most Sorcs I know that are 1620 have had 22+ weapons since before Brelshaza
people pay a premium for the labor involved in making the 6 link
fuck sorcs
Either RMT or just sunk-cost from a day 1 class
i started right before souleater
Both
You never took a break ?
took me 3 months to p2w los30
i took 1 and half year break
this game is gated everywhere
trash players just make sorc look bad
i just come back recently like 5 months ago
as dps yeah but she is boring af
doing a break feels nice 🙂
it is not
wednesday is break day
just why ...
thats why i permanently delete my bdo account
Toxic Sorcs > Trash Sorcs.
Bad sorcs have the possibility of improving. Main character shitstains ruin the game.
like completely
se is 100x more boring]

neva played her
i just need my wd
can it be march already

My Paladin got smeared by some shit-heel Azena guild because 2 brainfarts judged my game crapping out in Kayangel and stuttering as my skill-level 
i am too tilted to play such game like BDO where you destroy gear to enhance it, if you fail your gear durability is decreased which again need item to restore its durability
yeah
only strong mental play bdo

@sand marsh the artist we had in helltan is jailed rip
anyone know if i can keep these unused until i plan to use them to or will after the patch itll be region wide only?
they won't destroy them if they're in your inventory
gotta buy it now if you want to abuse 6mo aura for cheap
wut u keepin them for? if u bought em just use it and get the bc
best tme of the week to raid
they will just be unpurchasable
some of us did last night
whats the point of keepin the chest 
some of us aura's expired in 2025

It’s account wide after patch. If you still own the boxes you can still use them.
Using it on Aura
stay strong stay f2p
Since Aura can be bough with BC and it applies across entire account
wdym? what does holding it in chest has to do with that
mine expired 1/8/2025
wheres seaason 3 legendary

@obtuse oyster price check
MB, thought you were asking about chest itself, mistook holding for hold limit
good for bard, 30k gold
After Thaemine

Mage Legendary Skins still ass
hi eugene*
eugene is fhanum? 

tf is that discord server?
Kk
yo fhanum i think rogal dorn is back to this game i have this gs friend i added long ago he was last seen 279days ago now hes last seen 7h ago
i think its rogal
ye i miss him
i mean can i just keep it in this state until i plan to use them? in case i dont play fora few montsh
its not being wasted
you can sure, but at the end of the day its just a 5$ sub cost for 1month after tmrw, its not a big deal
they dont but i was concerned that they will limit these to be used only on your particular region/server only
Doubt it since they’re already changing the box purchase
if you nickle and dime aura, it feels abit nitty, but some people play like this i think
degen rocking this at 1580
Last time they fucked with already claimed purchases the game shrunk
send your prayer to the intern guy at ags, imagine if this frog day 1 is roster bound instead of char bound
LETS GO!!!@!
Sir how dare you my Gunlancer is 1575 with event gems
probably 500 g
event gems are nice
Level 5 event gems
now thats fucked up bara
what abbout rmt 10s?

I was debating pushing GL or Destroyer (Destro has lvl 7 event gems) but then my GL dropped 5 honing chests from Chaos and tapped weapon to +19
a 1580 dps with 5s is insta deny for me
No shit
its time for palworld
true

the og event gems go hard
I wouldn’t call roster 300 rock bottom
I dont think anyone with functioning brain cells will say level 5s at 1580 are good
good for you lmao
the only reason im not honing slayer is cuz she only have lv5 event gems
throw to bin

I deal with it on a daily and weekly basis
Like Ive typed the same thing twice
sadly the dent is world wide and not one specific region
It happen every day every hour
KR finally got a new legendary card fwiw

LVL 5 GEMS BIS?
i need some volunteers
wait new set again?
SAY LESS @wintry crypt
reddit says you only need 7s for thaemine normal
kae 
please go test the voice generators #create-voice-rooms
ask the mount hua sect for volunteers
id love to get help from them
Probably new book, not set just yet. Echidna is a Legendary card ofc
this is why your homie roll got revoked
both works
or at least it creates the room

need a non mod to check as well
i mean u could prob clear it with 5's, normal is supposed to be a joke dps wise. however u wont get into a group 
@gleaming pendant Go check kae
hahahaha blind
non-mod needed

7/8s yeah. 9 for specialty classes. It’s because HM is literally double the DPS requirement of NM so normal is s lot more forgiving
wheres my weekly 300k items that chuan gets cause hes f2p /s
just hone with bounds?
how about now @tidal sleet
yes
do we need permission ?
its working
yes its gone
only works if you hone 50 alts to 1620 only bounds
I don't know but there is no + for me
there is no + nor the 2 channels below 
yeah same
only f2ps can see it sorry
this must be a p2w service
f2ps ?
@dusk crystal it work, voice chat work too
u sure?
hit ctrl r
ok ty guys
someone know today is the last day of $20 for 1 year of Aura and he bought 10 years
now we can just click on it
It works
i just added that


ya its not there but now i can see ur msg and make channel with the links in that
i can click those 2 links to make channel
$200 for 10 years someone do the math how much $ for a day?
ohh
its cause u dont have every channel shown
right click the lost ark server icon
Wtf am on tv
click "show all channels"


Bro u famous
ok now its showing, should prob add that in the steps, i think default doesnt have that option checked
ive never changed those settings
its discord
any time u hide one channel
in id:browse
itll switch that off
and start hiding random channels
work perfectly
can mod sneak into voice chat ?

naw its a get gud feature

green name only

I didn't know that
we learn everyday
i hate discord for doing that
this is kinda dumb yeah
having to do something you know nothing about is not intuitive at all

why is youtube spamming me honkai starrail ads
delete your youtube history and disable it, you will get no recommendations forever
that's a clean youtube
no pollution
the feed when u dont track history, actually gave me new stuff from different topics

ah no wonder, I need my cache
now if i want to discover something new, i either need to know what im looking for, be subscribed or use trending
damn wtf, raid captain , 5 cubes later, hit master

i guess complaining about books works
Youtube changed it now so you just get nothing at all. Things that show up in side-bar are from same channel or tag related.
DACHSHUND Sensei is a Lost Ark shitposter
gratz, i think? not sure
wdym
gratz
hey wtf
i thought it was alot less for some reason because of the crit, its a gs ring i think, i thought crit stuff isn't that expensive anymore

I'm just jealous your guides are good
it also works for nights edge i think
not sure
no way I unsubscribe
engraving support end for most people after maintenance
acc price will go up
To the moon
luckily mine stay until march 20th
He needs to make those guides to fund his wigs
Undeserved 
Dang this place is dead
gotta finish ur weeklies before maint
with mokokos farming fish and flowers!

TY
50k bots
Game is popping off again 
Pem
add more!
Hop on gbf relink, lost ark stinks

swrver going down in 2 hrs?

my eu char 
in 1h10m
There's a discord event. Just check that.


just check the discord event
I checked it
servers up yet
I don't use UTC
I use CET so I had to check but I'm so derp I did a mistake
but yeah 2h
The event is auto adjusted to your system time.
Unless you don't use whatever you have your system set to.
ohhh, nice feature
I had to click again
well, time to wait for people to wake up and start spamming chat

i’m so glad i haven’t accidentally found drakes pp yet allah is protecting me

his team leaked him jerking it apparently
From what I’ve heard he’s got nothing to be embarrassed about
If anything his dms are going to explode

i do NOT wanna know



oh my god
Reset at 1am pst for naw?
give me ill roll a 8 6 for you
alah is great
doubt

if i could, i would snap the man who made abililty stones out of existence
take that back
they dont deserve to be alive
naah
we rly love lost ark!
is reset in 43 mins or hr 43?
time to delete my scrapper
43 hr
43 days
why u think 43 hrs idgi
skill issue
no mother issue
so disrespectful
exactly what stone is to the player base
i have 9/7 on my scrapper
another
POG
such a great system
75% failing 3 stimes in a row
again
pog
the 7 is for the +2 on 5x3 +2 right ?
suffer in hell verde puta
such a shit system
yeah i am alrdy 5x3+2
holy i got a 8/7
check discord event

dont need to play palworld with you, playing with braden!

if that was 9/7 i would have jumped off a cliff
whale 
9 7 is over 1k tries
that's for normies
if you get it ur a leit whale
I'm a lucker when it come to stone cutting
- no need to be a whale as i play only one char, once I'm done being 1620 with 5x3 +1
I can work on 5x3 +2
it's for much much later


@sand marsh me g2 now too
I don't use calc
I go with feelings
coomer prayers

still 3.76% chance to get it instantly
I'm quite lucky

time for me to go under the desk

I just wanted to save pheons for acc
and I got it
more than enough left
I can stockpile pheons for 9/7 stone in the far future
no wonder people hate current honing system
I'll never be 1620 for echidna

It’s free
I'm dumb

much better
it's not like I would pity every gear from 1580 to 1620 so worst case scenario was dumb
Is that memorizer


?
did you know yorn neria has her own rapport cutscene?
1 hour
AGS and SG will continue to give the players express events, I wouldn't sweat item level, it's a hamster wheel, get as far as you can on what you have, sell the rest and wait for an express event
Will we get 1620 express event tho ?

this is who is gatekeeping you
yes.. eventualy
eventually yeah
i think with new advance honing in kr, highest is like 1675 no?
so im thinking kr will ahve 1620 express this yea prob
wasnt it 1700

























