the game got shit on for the right reasons, but it doesnt mean the game isnt enjoyable
#lost-ark-discussions
fringe glacier
so I can still do end game content (im at 1490) without waiting 10 hours to find a lobby ?
fringe glacier
neatt
fringe glacier
:/
buoyant wagon
you will need to ride busses or join a learning party, often via learning discords
fringe glacier
what are "busses" ?
buoyant wagon
which rightfully gets shit on because you really shouldnt have to go through that to play but it is what it is
you pay someone gold to get carried through the raid
fringe glacier
bruhh
buoyant wagon
so you can gear up, since you otherwise are too lazy to do it yourself or nobody will take you
fringe glacier
I have around 28k gold idk if thats a lot but whats the fun of paying some1 to 1shot
buoyant wagon
game is rough without a group to play with, no other way to slice it
buoyant wagon
time is a premium to everyone and with even normal mode content being punishing enough where 1 person can waste the other 7 people's time
makes sense nobody wants to play with new/inexperienced players
cedar zealot
which rightfully gets shit on because you really shouldnt have to go through tha...
they should just do what they did with argos, hard nerf older raids
cedar zealot
its just an easy thing to do
rigid aurora
what about pvp? I assume its dead lol
was never alive in the first place
cedar zealot
and helps the raiding image this game has
fringe glacier
ehhhhhh there were a few people doing the pvp stuff on release
from what I can recall
cedar zealot
hard nerf normal mode
well yeah, normal mode should be doable without having to extensively look up guides
buoyant wagon
hard nerf normal, call it easy mode
rigid aurora
for like 2 weeks and then they were gone
buoyant wagon
change hard mode to normal mode (just name wise)
and add in an extreme mode that's actually challenging
rigid aurora
it's why the game has had two entire pvp seasons in the what
3 years it's been out in the west
fringe glacier
😂 😂 yeah I get it
buoyant wagon
why would you pvp in this game when league of legends is a download away
and unironically balanced better
rigid aurora
buoyant wagon
as low of a bar that is
rigid aurora
dont play league.
cedar zealot
literally every decision they make in the game is tied to their monetization, class balance, content balance, it just sucks cause they know how to make positive changes but they dont do it thinking it will affect their bottom line @buoyant wagon
buoyant wagon
well they did want to make a moba minigame
then it got scrapped because the korean audience thought it was a waste of dev resources
rigid aurora
LOL
lean pewter
fringe glacier
so they dont care about anything but korea
rigid aurora
i mean rightfully so i guess
buoyant wagon
korean mmos have never given a shit about foreign regions
cedar zealot
or will the new director just continue on the same path
lean pewter
<a:kekPlode:772546060781355038> so they dont care about anything but korea
china*
fringe glacier
yeah I mean honestly
buoyant wagon
even bdo where NA/EU makes more than korea
korean input matters more than NA/EU input
fringe glacier
I think the main reason why I dont understand the hate is because the only other mmo iv really played was bdo
and I guess it has the same "issues" as LA
rigid aurora
i mean
cedar zealot
and I guess it has the same "issues" as LA
does it?
buoyant wagon
if you are new to kmmos
buoyant wagon
lost ark is a very problematic game
rigid aurora
and i still understand lost ark is dogshit
wind dagger
I'm new to kmmo as well
buoyant wagon
when you have games like GW2 and FF14 to compare to
fringe glacier
😂 😂
wind dagger
cedar zealot
i feel like bdo is at a better place in terms of content balancing, balancing between casuals/f2ps/whales than la
fringe glacier
LOL
rigid aurora
20 players on arrival
fringe glacier
without cronstones tho
rigid aurora
to west
fringe glacier
buoyant wagon
GW2 at launch shipped with more content than Lost Ark has had since its relevance (post Astalgia)
rigid aurora
without crons bruh
rigid aurora
i feel like bdo is at a better place in terms of content balancing, balancing be...
ya
fringe glacier
so man wtf do I even do
buoyant wagon
i mean, do you want to know why @cedar zealot
rigid aurora
i also think bdo is better at literally just being generous even though it's still shit
lean pewter
find some better game
fringe glacier
I wanna keep playing LA but theres prob no point to do that
cedar zealot
GW2 at launch shipped with more content than Lost Ark has had since its relevanc...
i played and enjoyed most of the gw2 content, played after path of fire release and it was a very good/positive 4 months of gaming
rigid aurora
I wanna keep playing LA but theres prob no point to do that
i mean do you enjoy it
buoyant wagon
it's because BDO makes its money off getting people to pay hundreds in QOL
instead of whaling for gear
fringe glacier
i mean do you enjoy it
yes but if there are no players I don't enjoy it
buoyant wagon
so BDO can afford to balance the casual and f2p stuff
cedar zealot
it's because BDO makes its money off getting people to pay hundreds in QOL
thats a better way to monetize the game than what la does imo
buoyant wagon
because the bulk of its money isnt being made there
rigid aurora
a lot of people here think it's shit but it ultimately comes down to what u think is worth ur time
fringe glacier
I enjoy MMOs because of the "a lot of players" aspect
buoyant wagon
thats a better way to monetize the game than what la does imo
we might think so but BDO had the worst reputation for a long time in the West
swift tree
Low-key Ivory Tower is going to make me quit the game.
Half the Guild with 1600+ main 6 have basically stopped talking with everyone else.
Guild only shows up for GvG or there statics and everyone else outside of it rarely gets spoken to.
Most fun I have with guildmates is whilst not playing Lost Ark.
cedar zealot
we might think so but BDO had the worst reputation for a long time in the West
the west didnt know how deep the krmmo pit goes, now that they had a taste with la, bdo looks much better in comparison 
buoyant wagon
imagine people finding out you need to spend money to buy weight expansions to carry more trash loot
that's an instant turn off for so many players
rigid aurora
Low-key Ivory Tower is going to make me quit the game.
Half the Guild with 1600+...
tf your guild used to have actual chats with its members?
fringe glacier
omg yeah
buoyant wagon
but that's the thing
rigid aurora
must be the only guild in existence to have that bruh
buoyant wagon
BDO monetization allows the developers to more fairly balance the casual and f2p experience
because it doesnt directly impact their bottom line as much
swift tree
tf your guild used to have actual chats with its members?
allegedly, half the officers now speak in private group chats.
fringe glacier
because it doesnt directly impact their bottom line as much
true and honestly
rigid aurora
the west didnt know how deep the krmmo pit goes, now that they had a taste with ...
remember when a bunch of streamers started migrating for a little bit 💀
fringe glacier
even as f2p you can make a lot of money by trading (and lifeskill)
cedar zealot
Low-key Ivory Tower is going to make me quit the game.
Half the Guild with 1600+...
i would suggest u not stress over it and do another raid instead of ivory tower, in a couple of months, the fragments will be dirt cheap when most of the endgame raiders get their 40 set, ima just buy my elixirs off ah then
buoyant wagon
Lost Ark's monetization is so baked into honing that the developers have no incentive to make vertical progression easier
cedar zealot
remember when a bunch of streamers started migrating for a little bit 💀
tough times, also twitch is dying in kr next month
swift tree
i would suggest u not stress over it and do another raid instead of ivory tower,...
Not even getting into Brelshaz groups, Party Finder is dead except for Mokoko Lobbies and Busses.
cedar zealot
Not even getting into Brelshaz groups, Party Finder is dead except for Mokoko Lo...
well what can i say
its just how the game is designed
swift tree
Yup, find a static or go fuck yourself
rigid aurora
guys....... i-im looking for a static to do bdo dungeons with................... anyone wanna join......
fringe glacier
anyways, what mmo should I play then 😂
buoyant wagon
If you can get past the combat and long story
swift tree
Surely people who spend lots of hours on the computer each day have the social skills to properly communicate whether they actually want to game with another person... instead of just ghosting/ignoring and leaving everyone confused as to where they fucking stand.
buoyant wagon
Ff14
swift tree
Sorry for venting here... just reaching a limit rn
buoyant wagon
Really no contest in terms of a holistic mmo experience
rigid aurora
if i could skip through the entire story i'd be maining ff14 rn
fringe glacier
ff14 is subscription based right ?
rigid aurora
ya
buoyant wagon
Yes
cedar zealot
if i could skip through the entire story i'd be maining ff14 rn
isnt the story one of the main attractions of the game
buoyant wagon
And absolutely no p2w vertical progression
cedar zealot
i heard story picks up later in the game
buoyant wagon
Story is arguably the best in the genre
fringe glacier
I wanted to play LA until that 1 releases
buoyant wagon
But slow at the start
velvet estuary
if i could skip through the entire story i'd be maining ff14 rn
Cant you buy story skip
rigid aurora
isnt the story one of the main attractions of the game
everyone says that but i'm a zoomer with tiktok level attention span, and i just want to raid and cosplay and take screenshots
fringe glacier
ok wait im mistaking then
cedar zealot
everyone says that but i'm a zoomer with tiktok level attention span, and i just...
yuzu like me fr
dark raft
lost ark is the best game ever
buoyant wagon
Blue protocol?
rigid aurora
like even if the story is good i just do not give a fuck
fringe glacier
Blue protocol?
ohh ye
buoyant wagon
That’s also being published by AGS
fringe glacier
blue protocol
buoyant wagon
velvet estuary
Bp is not going to be good lmao
tulip charm
Just play American Pokémon like most people are right now
cedar zealot
yeah grandblue fantasy relink
now thats a game i am hyped about, a complete game on launch, with prob hundreds of hours of gameplay in there
velvet estuary
Its a riot mmo waiting angle
rigid aurora
BP is already mid in jp, i played it a little bit
swift tree
lost ark is the best game ever
Honestly, most of the design in Lost Ark doesn't account for actual players being individualist shits.
rigid aurora
lololol
fringe glacier
so besides FF14 is there another game ?
rigid aurora
gw2
fringe glacier
gw2 is still relevant ??
rigid aurora
those two are the usual reccs or something
dark raft
shut up bara just cuz u can’t clear hardest content cuz of a shit guild
this the best mmo out
fringe glacier
neat
rigid aurora
you can go back to bdo 
buoyant wagon
Except not p2w
dark raft
yeah
fringe glacier
alright well Ill try FF14 again
dawn yacht
you can go back to bdo <:EZ:965819818118889552>
buoyant wagon
And there’s no vertical grind
dark raft
or wait for blue poopycol
swift tree
GW2, ESO, SW;TOR, WoW, BDO, FF14, Destiny, etc.
fringe glacier
I used to like it, although I remember it being very different from other mmos
dark raft
to drop
rigid aurora
oh yeah
tulip charm
right be the sheep
You gotta be like everyone else, surely that game will grow and get monthly update
buoyant wagon
ff14 getting an expansion this summer also
rigid aurora
i also dont main ff14 cuz i fucking HATE tab target i found out
buoyant wagon
Great time to start and catch up
swift tree
Or the wide arrange of MMO titles that "live on" in the Daybreak Retirement Home.
rigid aurora
most sleeper playstyle in history
tulip charm
fringe glacier
i also dont main ff14 cuz i fucking HATE tab target i found out
I disliked that too, but meh I can deal with it
dawn yacht
You gotta be like everyone else, surely that game will grow and get monthly upda...
no you dont have to be like everyone else dont go around saying that bullshit
buoyant wagon
i also dont main ff14 cuz i fucking HATE tab target i found out
But you can’t deny the raids blow all the other games’ raids out of the water
rigid aurora
yeah i can get past that
buoyant wagon
Mechanics and aesthetically
fringe glacier
what I also disliked is that they name things in an un-usual way
dark raft
lost ark will not end up like bdo ot archeage 2
rigid aurora
But you can’t deny the raids blow all the other games’ raids out of the water
i mean i have no clue what the raids are like outside of people actually losing hair over the hardest diff or something
so
dark raft
ppl will quit but i will defeat thaemine the 1st
cursive ruin
monetize dn
tulip charm
no you dont have to be like everyone else dont go around saying that bullshit
But…who’s gonna doompost lost ark if everyone is playing American Pokémon
rigid aurora
how much is ff14 story skip
swift tree
monetize dn
Sir that's called Prostitution, need to go to a legal state for that.
buoyant wagon
Like $20 or 30 and only skips to one expansion before the latest
dawn yacht
But…who’s gonna doompost lost ark if everyone is playing American Pokémon
american pokemon gonna be hyped for a couple months and thats it
swift tree
Either that or make "art" of DN and sell on OnlyFans/Patreon
buoyant wagon
So you still have to play through the latest expansion
swift tree
Like $20 or 30 and only skips to one expansion before the latest
Western model tbh.
rigid aurora
maybe i try 
fringe glacier
me try too
dark raft
ew
fringe glacier
what else am I going to play 😂
buoyant wagon
LOA can really learn from FF14 difficulty stratification
rigid aurora
i dont really mind doign story it's just i dont wanna sit through everything to get to what people are yapping on about
which is what
like 200 hours of that?
or whatever i heard
fringe glacier
theres no way the story is 200 hrs
tulip charm
american pokemon gonna be hyped for a couple months and thats it <:weirdChamp:85...
your wrong, it’s gonna be the next Genshin impact killer, next lost ark killer, next path of exile killer and Diablo 4 killer, I am waiting for some ign article to say this soon
buoyant wagon
500 if you are a fast reader
fringe glacier
im skipping that shit if it is
dawn yacht
after american pokemon hype dies out its gonna be a game for pokemon furries like buneary @tulip charm 
buoyant wagon
1000+ if you aren’t
swift tree
Still not as bad as LOTRO.
rigid aurora
yeah im not gonna do 500 hours bruh
dark raft
palworld is amazing
rigid aurora
500 hours of reading i wouldve tolerated if i was in 5th grade bruh
dawn yacht
there you have it zheng see
buoyant wagon
Actually looking at Reddit
fringe glacier
palworld is SP and coop right?
rigid aurora
i'll do 30 hours at most 
buoyant wagon
Took me closer to 1k
dark raft
32 ppl to a server
dark raft
but it’s soooo cute duo
tulip charm
Tekken 8 on the 26th
rigid aurora
or however long it took me to start lost ark on release all the way to vern
buoyant wagon
Though I blitzed endwalker
rigid aurora
in one shot
silver hollow
is this any good? 
buoyant wagon
Finished msq in 2 days as soon as it launched
tulip charm
My Paul’s death fist is ready to troll on launch
dawn yacht
Tekken 8 on the 26th
rigid aurora
ken tekken player?
dawn yacht
ken tekken player?
dawn yacht
King main since his release
buoyant wagon
@rigid aurora id advise skipping ARR
rigid aurora
only ggs and some doa for nostalgia nowadays 
tulip charm
<:YEP:1041460387142455316>
Do you chain throw ranked players and use rolling death cradle, and they send you hate messages after?
dark raft
i’m kirby main on smash
buoyant wagon
ARR is a slog, can just read the story on YouTube
rigid aurora
If there is a story skip for that
ye
dark raft
rigid aurora
buoyant wagon
The expansion after ARR is extremely good story wise
rigid aurora
these i can skip
buoyant wagon
Order of expansion strength is generally SHB > HW > EW >> SB >>> ARR
dawn yacht
Do you chain throw ranked players and use rolling death cradle, and they send yo...
i didnt touch tekken for a long time bucko dont ask me
dawn yacht
i saw king in tekken 8 so i will give it a shot
dark raft
stop playing bad games
tulip charm
Kings been really good in t7, I gamble alot when playing against him
dawn yacht
stop playing bad games
go back to your american pokemon
buoyant wagon
Honestly yuzu just give the story a shot
dark raft
i need to shower first
buoyant wagon
And you’ll realize how fucking dogwater lost ark story is
tulip charm
Hard to break ff12 throws, I gamble by ducking the throws, I f I guess wrong I eat a mid, if I guess right I get a ws launch
dark raft
fringe glacier
ok gg im uninstalling LA
sucks cuz I spent like 400$ on that shit when it was relevent
dawn yacht
whats your main @tulip charm was it feng wei ?
rigid aurora
sucks cuz I spent like 400$ on that shit when it was relevent
it's ok
i dropped like 1200 on it
dark raft
only $400
buoyant wagon
everyone says that but i'm a zoomer with tiktok level attention span, and i just...
Story dungeons teach you mechs for later shit
fringe glacier
😂 😂 yeah but I didnt spend any of that
dark raft
u got out without spending shit
fringe glacier
I still have like 9k crystals or wtv its called
dark raft
just leave blud
rigid aurora
Story dungeons teach you mechs for later shit
dawn yacht
<:a_youtube:1008863053921660948>
rigid aurora
tulip charm
sucks cuz I spent like 400$ on that shit when it was relevent
If you need other people to tell you if lost ark is fun or unfun, relevant or irrelevant, it’s prob not the game for you
buoyant wagon
Not if you aren’t buying an account
fringe glacier
= (
dark raft
dawn yacht
<:madge:957353442995740723>
send modpack code if you wanna play lethal
fringe glacier
very sad
buoyant wagon
I seriously cannot recommend coming back without buying an account
rigid aurora
how do i send it
buoyant wagon
Help channel loves to say “don’t fomo”
dark raft
buying hwat
fringe glacier
Like I basically dont play anything, and recently I had more time than when I quit, so I came back not knowing the whole drama and I was hit hard
😦
buoyant wagon
But in reality being behind in this game is cancer unless you are the most casual of casual players
dawn yacht
how do i send it
go to your modpack then on settings then export with code
dark raft
lost ark is NOT for peepee poopoo casuals
fringe glacier
I saw playerbase was 40k, I had hopes and realized it 90% bots
cursive ruin
u can buy my account bibi girl only 120k
dark raft
that have no mechanics or can’t remember anything
buoyant wagon
It’s just not new player friendly
dark raft
i hate mokokos
tulip charm
But in reality being behind in this game is cancer unless you are the most casua...
It’s hard for people in this game to not fomo, takes a certain mindset for that, or some discipline
dark raft
kick those ugly mfkers
fringe glacier
It’s just not new player friendly
well I wouldnt consider myself exactly new but I guess I am (kinda)
buoyant wagon
It’s hard for people in this game to not fomo, takes a certain mindset for that,...
Which is why I fucking hate it when people say not to fomo
The entire game is built around it
cursive ruin
It’s just not new player friendly
When I was still very new, I found that what was actually NOT new player friendly were the players more than the game fr
buoyant wagon
The community enforces it
dawn yacht
ye dont fomo cn news bot
buoyant wagon
When I was still very new, I found that what was actually NOT new player friendl...
The players are a product of the game’s design
rigid aurora
go to your modpack then on settings then export with code
018d2cf1-7078-8849-9a3d-34a0bb9b0ec5
rigid aurora
we dont have that much so if u have any mods u wanna add just add it and resend
buoyant wagon
Mokokos wouldn’t be gatekept if they didn’t jail you in homework raids
dawn yacht
018d2cf1-7078-8849-9a3d-34a0bb9b0ec5
@ancient tundra @silver hollow get code as well
cursive ruin
Mokokos wouldn’t be gatekept if they didn’t jail you in homework raids
Forget gatekeeping and things like that I don't actually mean that part
Vets are really rude to people that don't know as much as they do for some reason
fringe glacier
Vets are really rude to people that don't know as much as they do for some reaso...
yeah but there are vets that are really nice too 🤷♂️
dark raft
like me 
buoyant wagon
Any game that doesn’t have aggressive gm moderation for chat abuse is like that
rigid aurora
Vets are really rude to people that don't know as much as they do for some reaso...
cuz they think theyre better and it gives a nice superiority complex
tulip charm
The entire game is built around it
I wouldn’t say the entire game, but alot of it is yeh, it’s actually quite ingenious too, there is a feedback loop to it, all games have this, but lost ark does it really well, from a monitazation point
fringe glacier
not everyone has a disgusting ego
rigid aurora
im guilty of that in like 10 billion games
dawn yacht
cuz they think theyre better and it gives a nice superiority complex
you got hookgun mod ?
rigid aurora
no
fringe glacier
lost ark ain’t it
LMAO
dark raft
yw
fringe glacier
yeah me go FF14
dark raft
dark raft
bless your heart
rigid aurora
thats why u cron everything
fringe glacier
although it was very fun ngl
dark raft
this game is visually the best i. raids sadly u will never see inside
rigid aurora
tap on jhammers and cron only
dark raft
but yt exists
dawn yacht
bloody hell skinwalker and mimics mods
bleak star
back to bdo
tulip charm
not everyone has a disgusting ego
a lot of people in lost ark have this, some are better at masking it than other people, most of the time this is not a bad thing, but some people don’t know how do deal with this
ancient tundra
018d2cf1-7078-8849-9a3d-34a0bb9b0ec5
Aight time to look what this mf has for mods
Lmao
bleak star
im always here
dawn yacht
im always here
tomato chan lurking mode ?
bleak star
indeed
fringe glacier
a lot of people in lost ark have this, some are better at masking it than other ...
yeah a lot of people were complaining about gatekeeping, iv never seen it in LA but I guess im too low to see it
rigid aurora
if u were playing last year on ur ilvl you would see it everywhere
gatekeeping moves with the content
tulip charm
Brel 1-3hm req is 1550, you can’t even get into a pt if your not 1600
fringe glacier
so tldr when I quit I had about 300 hours, ilvl 1350 or something
it was probably 2 months after release tho
around that timeframe
tulip charm
And people will take 1600s with rainbow stats and no gems, vs lower ilevel players, they don’t even look
buoyant wagon
Which is why I say I would never recommend the game unless you did tos breaking stuff
Starting fresh with no content to do, and the little content that you can do you can’t find a party unless you join some discords and ask
Is absolutely atrocious
ancient tundra
trash community
Truly trash community
ancient tundra
Uhu
buoyant wagon
Neither would many of my friends
dawn yacht
Truly trash community
it really is
fringe glacier
my only issue with LA is that there are no players to play with
tulip charm
Starting fresh with no content to do, and the little content that you can do you...
Wut, if you start fresh there is so much content it’s insane, you get to experience the story at least once.
ancient tundra
it really is
Ditching time soon
fringe glacier
well its not my only issue, but is why im uninstalling it
ancient tundra
This time perma bro
buoyant wagon
Wut, if you start fresh there is so much content it’s insane, you get to experie...
Such great story! Wow!
ancient tundra
cedar zealot
my only issue with LA is that there are no players to play with
earlier content nobody does anymore, real game starts after ilvl 1490 tbh
buoyant wagon
The story in this game barely qualifies as content
fringe glacier
I was told that still not easy to find groups
cedar zealot
well I am ilvl 1490
trying to get into brelshaza nm lobbies can be rough yeah
tulip charm
It only when you get to the raiding part you get gatekept as a new player, it takes awhile before you get to that point, there is a huge transitional period where you have to prep your characters before raiding, if people skipped this, will be gatekept even harder
dawn yacht
Ditching time soon
btw you can counter mimics mod aka fake fire exit
cedar zealot
people expect u to look up guides for each raid extensively before they are willing to take u in
fringe glacier
like I went from 1350 to 1490 in 2 days 😂 and I did the raids and stuff, it took sooooooooooooooooooooooooo long to find anyone
dawn yacht
if you hit the door its making monster sounds
fringe glacier
and when I did find some1, I was bascially getting boosted
it wasn't like before 😦
buoyant wagon
probably better that you did
fringe glacier
maybe 😂
buoyant wagon
and this is not me being a doomer to farm attention
if you didnt like it then, you probably wouldnt like it now
fringe glacier
nono
I loved it
I had to quit because I had no time
had to focus on irl stuff yk
fringe glacier
it was the best experience I ever had playing any game
buoyant wagon
but like i said, unless you're willing to stomach all the shit that you have to get through before reasonably catching up
fringe glacier
but thats purely because of the amount of players there was
buoyant wagon
you're better off breaking tos or not playing the game
fringe glacier
yeah nah
if yall are saying FF14 has hard dungeons or whatever, and a solid playerbase
Im better off going there
rigid aurora
if u just want hella players when i tried ff14 trial there was hella ppl just anywhere
just as anecdote
buoyant wagon
it's the most popular mmo after wow
fringe glacier
neat
buoyant wagon
and has at points beaten wow in concurrent
buoyant wagon
though that was when wow was in the literal shadowlands
cedar zealot
ff14/gw2 is much easier to recommend to people than lost ark
buoyant wagon
ff14 is just so holistically strong of a game
fringe glacier
again when I look for mmo I just look at playerbase, if its shit I dont play
buoyant wagon
well rounded
cedar zealot
those two games are the complete package, lost ark is only good combat and raids
thats it
buoyant wagon
that it's hard to not recommend
tulip charm
if you didnt like it then, you probably wouldnt like it now
More people should follow this simple advice, but some people will only play what other people play, and need to be told if they should play a game or not
buoyant wagon
it has its weak points like combat and long story
but the positives for most people far outweigh the negatives
fringe glacier
it has its weak points like combat and long story
BUT BUT it has hard raids and what not righ t?
I dont want raids to be a simple dps check and thats it
buoyant wagon
yes, the raids are far harder than lost ark's
buoyant wagon
except like hell brelshaza and the first thaemine
buoyant wagon
both of which are comparable to the middle ultimates on release (prior to being solved)
game respects your time a lot better
the producer straight up tells you to unsub if you arent having fun and go do something else
cedar zealot
ff14 has content for casuals who dont want to do sweaty raids
buoyant wagon
and you can catch up within a week if not days if you resub like 6 months later
cedar zealot
which la lacks tbh
buoyant wagon
^
you have story, a ton of horizontal shit like collections
pvp (actually alive somehow)
hardcore raiding
housing
community stuff (rp, etc.)
crafting
you do not have to raid to gear up, you can just do daily roulettes to deck out in the highest ilvl gear minus the weapon
tulip charm
Have not played ff14, but everything I heard about it basicly sums it up to be a game for casuals
Not a bad thing, but not my thing
buoyant wagon
and you do not need raid gear to even raid at all, they just provide slightly more min maxed stats
wind dagger
I sincerely want the contract between AGS and SG to stop so we can actually have normal communication and other things
wind dagger
I swear, our current CM are worthless
fringe glacier
but I liked FF14
buoyant wagon
Have not played ff14, but everything I heard about it basicly sums it up to be a...
hardcore raiding in FF14 is far sweatier than hardcore raiding (or whatever passes for it) in Lost Ark
you have actual parse logging
and with class balance being largely homogenized, for better or worse
it is fully down to a hands diff 98% of the time
fringe glacier
maybe smilegates decide to do a moba for the west
wind dagger
maybe smilegates decide to do a moba for the west
monetized moba, heroes/classes behind p2w
buoyant wagon
the other 2% during the odd balance patch cycle where one class is slightly stronger than the rest
wind dagger
LOL
buoyant wagon
dps checks are an actual thing in the hard content
mechanics are far more intricate and harder to execute, though it's not 1:1 comparable to LOA where it's more reflex based due to the ARPG style
why do you think people from other games clowned on Thaemine world first racing teams that started burning out and having drama in week one
progging for 1-2 weeks even for world first raiders is considered normal in other games for the top 0.5%
for the top 5-10%, it can take more than that
tulip charm
progging for 1-2 weeks even for world first raiders is considered normal in othe...
Do they buy pilots and get banned too after they clear it?
And have 90% of the first clear group disqualified?
buoyant wagon
there hasnt been pilot drama in FF14 world firsts afaik but the last ultimate had a cheating scandal
world first was using zoom cheats
they got dq'd
buoyant wagon
the previous two WF ultimates also used addons (many groups do) but they were a lot less intrusive, like having custom markers
so they didnt get dq'd
zoom cheats were extremely egregious though since it gave them additional FOV to see mechs
people sell pilots of endgame raids but not during WF racing
tulip charm
world first was using zoom cheats
Scumbags in every game it’s the same lol
fringe glacier
but at least its not the same as cheating for pvp
buoyant wagon
9th man was their vod reviewer and was originally promised a clear the second week
then the static told him to get bent for whatever reason
9th man outed them all
tulip charm
then the static told him to get bent for whatever reason
Deserved retaliation lol
buoyant wagon
i dont think they got banned
but they essentially got blacklisted by the wider JP community
and a couple deleted their accounts out of shame
buoyant wagon
that we have wayyyyyyyy less bots
there's a fair amount of bots but there's not really any economy to impact because the ingame currency is pretty much worthless
there's no vertical progression to buy with it
tulip charm
i dont think they got banned
Lost ark better, they would have gotten banned
buoyant wagon
the most common uses of currency are housing, rp (lmao), and for hardcore raid groups to buy crafted gear on day 1 of a new raid
fringe glacier
hows the progession really like? is it like bdo/LA (enchanting stuff)
fringe glacier
or is it like WOW (gear drops)
buoyant wagon
exchange for gear
fringe glacier
ahhhhhhhhhhhhh
buoyant wagon
gear can also drop from content
fringe glacier
is there a grind at least tho?
buoyant wagon
not really any enhancing other than overmelding crafted gear
nova garden
I’d really like to play ff but it looks like a ps2 game
buoyant wagon
which doesnt apply to anyone who isnt hardcore raiding day 1 of a new raid
buoyant wagon
is there a grind at least tho?
gear wise there is no grind
other than relic weapon
which is basically a min-max bis weapon very late into an expansion cycle that is mostly a glamour weapon
fringe glacier
but is there any grind ?
rigid aurora
this is an important quesiton
fringe glacier
because I'd like some, at least a little bit
rigid aurora
is there hella skins?
buoyant wagon
what are you looking to grind
buoyant wagon
stuff to dress up? yeah there's plenty of grind
collection? yeah there's plenty of grind too
rigid aurora
im tryna be a fashionista fr
fringe glacier
doesn't matter, as long as theres something to do when I have free time
nova garden
Glam players gotta grind the shit outta the game 
fringe glacier
I just dont want to run out of things to do
cedar zealot
I just dont want to run out of things to do
oh you will
rigid aurora
Glam players gotta grind the shit outta the game <:KEKW:834726120606924850>
good.
cedar zealot
but its months later down the line
nova garden
Gotta do everything in the game to have everything in the game.
rigid aurora
literally all my silver grind in bdo is just to place orders on the market for skins
buoyant wagon
the game is designed to respect your time
fringe glacier
but its months later down the line
and thats if I play 24/7 I assume
Which I wont
because I cant
😂
buoyant wagon
is there hella skins?
you have to do every single piece of content
if you want all the skin options
nova garden
But from what I understand, it’s a very different progression and mmo “genre” than kmmo or many others.
buoyant wagon
you need to craft, you need to run random low level dungeons
you need to run savage and ultimate raids
fringe glacier
because what i'll do is play story a bit, get familiar with the game and then skip
buoyant wagon
you can cash shop old event skins
that's why there's a meme that fashion collectors are the strongest FF14 players
because they have done all the content in the game including the hardest raids
fringe glacier
the thing is, if its easy to run out of things to do, then the playerbase wouldnt be consistent so I assume thats hard to do
nova garden
that's why there's a meme that fashion collectors are the strongest FF14 players
They will min/max some random bumfuck dungeon just to get a ribbon
fringe glacier
(hard to run out of things to do)
buoyant wagon
keep in mind
kind lotus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vUDtwA1pUk @wintry depot
buoyant wagon
its a jrpg first, a mmo second
nova garden
its a jrpg first, a mmo second
Yes, this is what I was thinking.
buoyant wagon
running out of things to do if you arent a completionist is normal
fringe glacier
ahhhh
buoyant wagon
yoshi-p tells you to go take a break when that happens
cursive ruin
look at it it's so cute
buoyant wagon
unlike lost ark
fringe glacier
thats why I rly enjoyed LA, so much shit to do as completitionist
wind dagger
fresh flint
@kind lotus
fringe glacier
alrgiht me like
dull obsidian
lost ark cannot be truly "completed"
fringe glacier
me play FF14
kind lotus
@fresh flint
fringe glacier
then me play BP
buoyant wagon
wrong yuzu
fresh flint
@kind lotus hi
buoyant wagon
@rigid aurora now go raid TOP and get yourself one of these https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCFUsONeXDE&t=352s
now if only our hell modes gave special skins
wind dagger
cursive ruin
The fact I'm getting denied from a raid 44 levels overgearing it because I don't have klc
Just how powerful is this cardset
swift lava
cursive ruin
kaya nm
nova marlin
Woo akkan g1 completed 😄
swift lava
wind dagger
fresh flint
wind dagger
nova marlin
This Zerk was on P2 wit LoS30 and we had a Slayer with LWC18 lol I said swap him in 😄
nova marlin
Is G2 hard?
swift lava
I’m bout to pity again 
nova marlin
Took us freaking 2hrs for G1 idk if that's normal but alot off people died aswell first time we reached with 7 people at the end
swift lava
wind dagger
G1? At least you have people not voting to quit after one wipe
I am unlucky with progging
fresh flint
Fr mess up once and you have someone w broken English calling everyone a dog and spamming chat to quit raid
dark raft
fresh flint
wind dagger
Vykas is my new home
come c ary me akan
fresh flint
come c ary me akan
As soon as I learn it sure
Well I have to hone as well. But how am I supposed to carry you on a bard? I can give you a lot of shields ig.
ancient tundra
come c ary me akan
carry deez
nova marlin
G1? At least you have people not voting to quit after one wipe
We are in discord that's probably why but guys seem cool
We also have a mentor and he is very kind
wind dagger
wind dagger
LMAO
stark thicket
<:SCPAWcozy:750444587532943360>
stark thicket
come c ary me akan
Come carry me
fresh flint
<a:blushpeepocomfy:965335681087975484>
dawn yacht
carry deez
so how you judging yuzus modpack ?
ancient tundra
so how you judging yuzus modpack ?
i saw a mod
well
heavy judging
based on it
wind dagger
bold aspen
so how you judging yuzus modpack ?
if it was icys modpack it would be a futa modpack 
fresh flint
dawn yacht
heavy judging
nova garden
ancient tundra
<:KEKW:834726120606924850> <:KEKW:834726120606924850> <:KEKW:834726120606924850>
time to mod my la char
jk
ancient tundra
<:Weirdga:905213052276862986> that or maid girl with a plug mod pack
how do u k about it
rigid aurora
<@263379845856231425> now go raid TOP and get yourself one of these https://www....
yes
stark thicket
how do u k about it
rigid aurora
i happen to be a pro at any game i play so i will get all of them
dawn yacht
look who shops up when you mention futa
ancient tundra
i happen to be a pro at any game i play so i will get all of them
so when another 1vs1
rigid aurora
you know this aron
dawn yacht
rigid aurora
so when another 1vs1
when gravvy is not chicken gluck gluck gawk gawk
bold aspen
ancient tundra
wintry crypt
rigid aurora
he's scared i'm going to use an exploit on him or something
ancient tundra
HUH
rigid aurora
gluck gluck is gravvy giving head or what
yeah he swallowed my nuts in the first 1v1
ancient tundra
rigid aurora
slammed his head with it
bold aspen
yeah he swallowed my nuts in the first 1v1
i remember 
a vid for the hub indeed
stark thicket
There's a new Maomao face I wanted to screen grab, but Crunchyroll is lame and blacks out the screen .. gonna have to use gogoanime and do it.
bold aspen
<:Hai:1184705184899801168>
oh now we back to hi ? 
rigid aurora
dinked the bro
stark thicket
wintry crypt
oh now we back to hi ? <a:RAGEY:1107022737442099382> <:MadgeBackHand:1081353465...
I didnt slap you did I
rude ass BITCH
wintry crypt
There's a new Maomao face I wanted to screen grab, but Crunchyroll is lame and b...
ROGHT
bold aspen
I didnt slap you did I
you called me rude
nova garden
when gravvy is not chicken gluck gluck gawk gawk
It’s about time to post this again
wintry crypt
they did it two weeks ago
bold aspen
rude ass BITCH
rigid aurora
It’s about time to post this again
dawn yacht
stark thicket
It’s about time to post this again
low nebula
rigid aurora
@limber sluice let's goooooo bro the people yearn for the 2nd fight of the century
bold aspen
man will be turned into a discord kitten again
bold aspen
<:Susge:1065387133990355014>
tf you trying to get ? 9/7 on that ? 
low nebula
tf you trying to get ? 9/7 on that ? <a:KEKWLaugh:687228234697408519>
i need 7/7 express going away
bold aspen
wind dagger
low nebula
why facepalm tho
low nebula
wind dagger
cursive ruin
14 nodes kotpog
I bought chocolate cereal as my first like cereal brand in nearly a decade
This thing is better at making chocolate milk than being edible
wind dagger
apparently
this 1-2 brel became a g3 group
so am I gonna do g3
second g3 after nearly a year
surely won't jail
nova garden
ancient tundra
surely won't jail
low nebula
second g3 after nearly a year
you didnt do brel as a matter of principle?
wind dagger
thank god
they already had someone
seems they were friend group
I didnt want to do g3 anyway
cursive ruin
my 1-3 wanted to do 4 after
wind dagger
I wasn't having fun with brel g6 before it was g1g6
so I quit doing brel
did g3 earlier this week with paladin
after nearly a year
and I still played better than the other players in the raid
wind dagger
why this cunt angry ? <a:KEKWLaugh:687228234697408519>
is this g1
wait what
are you jailedi n there
ancient tundra
why this cunt angry ? <a:KEKWLaugh:687228234697408519>
ofc it s a pala
stark thicket
cursive ruin
ofc it s a pala
no it's not
low nebula
ofc it s a pala
yo wtf
cursive ruin
it says right there
cursive ruin
yeah this cereal brand is dog shit
wind dagger
LMAOOOO why so mad over valtan
bold aspen
nova garden
I stopped buying breakfast cereal
nova garden
Shit has like no nutritional value and is actually quite expensive.
cursive ruin
this is not very expensive or anything but it's like
let it soak in the milk and u get to drink chocolate milk
it's like a toy for kids this is not edible what is this shit
hocus pocus your milk is now brown WTF
is this supposed to impress me?
get the fuck out of here
nova garden
this is not very expensive or anything but it's like
It’s expensive given the fact it does pretty much nothing for my hunger or gains.
cursive ruin
the antichrist is in the pudding
ancient tundra
bold aspen
ancient tundra
bold aspen
nova marlin
g2 is quite easy
stark thicket
<:HUH:1012917714706235472>
idk what happened?
low nebula
i have stones mailed from alts to spend
limber sluice
<@212635314651398144> let's goooooo bro the people yearn for the 2nd fight of th...
They aren't people tho
low nebula
no ty
stark thicket
you guys are subhuman according to gravvy
im a strong mokoko tf u mean
bleak star
am I late to the party
tulip charm
what even is a sie n
i need this
tulip charm
completionist sake, plus it gives some demon damage
urban obsidian
Who tf is kyand
cursive ruin
kanydeez
wind dagger
we had
cedar zealot
Who tf is kyand
who tf has notifications enabled for discord
wind dagger
an imposter
urban obsidian
who tf has notifications enabled for discord
I don’t that’s the thing
wind dagger
who tf has notifications enabled for discord
not me
also why has mizu it enabled
this isn't imessage or whatsapp
for
real
I should be bussing vykas
cursive ruin
sprite absorption engraving
all your battle items turn into sprite
and you do a comically low quality burp
cursive ruin
*busses cutely*
low nebula
3+ mokoko in valtan 1 is [Jail]
ancient tundra
I should be bussing vykas
No u Don t
ancient tundra
perhaps I can join this group and help them
Or jail them
cursive ruin
israfel past reset hour is really donowall territory
cursive ruin
are there people on the rowen field boss rn
cursive ruin
then don't answer you fat fuck
valid turtle
nova marlin
Guys I took this guy for Akkan 1580 and lvl5 gems
ancient tundra
Rmt
valid turtle
wipe the cheeto dust off your hands before you type @cursive ruin
cursive ruin
no I like it that way
ancient tundra
then don't answer you fat fuck
delicate grove
oh i meet them again
low nebula
Guys I took this guy for Akkan 1580 and lvl5 gems
so, how did they perform?
cursive ruin
I got my friend to 1490
Then I bought him a brel bus before he activated path to se
nova marlin
so, how did they perform?
I kicked him
tulip charm
i havent played the game but why this lol
nova marlin
This guy says there's no difference between LoS18 and 30 is it true
bold aspen
tulip charm
This guy says there's no difference between LoS18 and 30 is it true
its true, both will be gatekept
ancient tundra
21 cards remaining for los 30
One day bro
wind dagger
ye
it does h ave it
leg cards
Maybe I will do card runs
21 cards remaining, you never know
fresh flint
I got a weird discord notif from here wtf
still lintel
nova marlin
Guys I am doing for the first time g1 akkan on my bard but I get like 10k damage ticks from what is that? on my Pally I didn't face any problem like this probably because the cleanse?
tulip charm
Guys I am doing for the first time g1 akkan on my bard but I get like 10k damage...
some green puddle stuff can give poison stacks, not the long term plague stacks, its like a short term poison stack, if you stand in those green aoe stuff you gain it
swift tree
Guys I am doing for the first time g1 akkan on my bard but I get like 10k damage...
green puddles & the corrosion
Need to bring panacea
analog bluff
what does fpp4d mean in guardian raid
swift tree
Flare Phero 1 Phero 2 Destruction.
The 4 is added because for some brain-dead reason the game has fppd added to the swearing filter
nova garden
what does fpp4d mean in guardian raid
Each guardian raid has specific mechanics you should be familiar with. You may see groups in the party finder titled something like “FPP4D.” This is referring to the order of battle item usage based upon your party number. Common battle items are Flare, Pheromone Essence, Destruction Bomb, Whirlwind Bomb, and Corrosive Bomb. Those lobby titles are acronyms for the type of battle item used in what order. If you match make into a guardian raid, people may call out “1” or “p1” for pheromones. This is the same concept, but instead of using battle items based on party number, they just use whatever they call out.
wind dagger
Each guardian raid has specific mechanics you should be familiar with. You may see groups in the party finder titled something like “FPP4D.” This is referring to the order of battle item usage based upon your party number. Common battle items are Flare, Pheromone Essence, Destruction Bomb, Whirlwind Bomb, and Corrosive Bomb. Those lobby titles are acronyms for the type of battle item used in what order. If you match make into a guardian raid, people may call out “1” or “p1” for pheromones. This is the same concept, but instead of using battle items based on party number, they just use whatever they call out.
swift tree
Each guardian raid has specific mechanics you should be familiar with. You may see groups in the party finder titled something like “FPP4D.” This is referring to the order of battle item usage based upon your party number. Common battle items are Flare, Pheromone Essence, Destruction Bomb, Whirlwind Bomb, and Corrosive Bomb. Those lobby titles are acronyms for the type of battle item used in what order. If you match make into a guardian raid, people may call out “1” or “p1” for pheromones. This is the same concept, but instead of using battle items based on party number, they just use whatever they call out.
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swift tree
Beep Test here but the FitnessGram vers. is also a meme
ancient tundra
Each guardian raid has specific mechanics you should be familiar with. You may see groups in the party finder titled something like “FPP4D.” This is referring to the order of battle item usage based upon your party number. Common battle items are Flare, Pheromone Essence, Destruction Bomb, Whirlwind Bomb, and Corrosive Bomb. Those lobby titles are acronyms for the type of battle item used in what order. If you match make into a guardian raid, people may call out “1” or “p1” for pheromones. This is the same concept, but instead of using battle items based on party number, they just use whatever they call out
turbid oriole
Each guardian raid has specific mechanics you should be familiar with. You may see groups in the party finder titled something like “FPP4D.” This is referring to the order of battle item usage based upon your party number. Common battle items are Flare, Pheromone Essence, Destruction Bomb, Whirlwind Bomb, and Corrosive Bomb. Those lobby titles are acronyms for the type of battle item used in what order. If you match make into a guardian raid, people may call out “1” or “p1” for pheromones. This is the same concept, but instead of using battle items based on party number, they just use whatever they call out.
stark thicket
I got a weird discord notif from here wtf
was it this
stark thicket
Each guardian raid has specific mechanics you should be familiar with. You may s...
hello Martian, can you explain in more detail!
turbid oriole
<a:alowo:1140760349931470878> hello Martian, can you explain in more detail!
Each guardian raid has specific mechanics you should be familiar with. You may see groups in the party finder titled something like “FPP4D.” This is referring to the order of battle item usage based upon your party number. Common battle items are Flare, Pheromone Essence, Destruction Bomb, Whirlwind Bomb, and Corrosive Bomb. Those lobby titles are acronyms for the type of battle item used in what order. If you match make into a guardian raid, people may call out “1” or “p1” for pheromones. This is the same concept, but instead of using battle items based on party number, they just use whatever they call out.
dim lark
any euc wanna go for normal valtan and vykas deathless?
dim lark
You are begging for it
come u ape
cursive ruin
not now sir
wind dagger
nova marlin
some green puddle stuff can give poison stacks, not the long term plague stacks,...
oh okey can i also use purify stone
cursive ruin
I'm doing skill point grind
stark thicket
https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-monkey-fight-monkey-gif-5219878
Looks like Adriel