lost-ark-discussions

[summer knoll]

fund plague title plis

[faint grove]

means they're incapable of 3 manning but want some1 to pay to join right

[dim lark]

does kr have akkan mats nerf ?

[summer knoll]

no

[dim lark]

WHYYYY

[fresh flint]

[faint grove]

[nova garden]

Yeah

[sand marsh]

swper

surely the game won't die before this runs out right

[tulip charm]

i feel bad but how did they get themselves into this situation lol

[stark thicket]

Class is boring 2day

[sand marsh]

Gate 2 jail is the most frequent jail imo.

[fresh flint]

life is boring

[sand marsh]

Even though I haven't been jailed since week 1 prog

[swift lava]

K I’m Cassie cage now

[nova garden]

Plz go out with me

[swift lava]

[valid turtle]

its so painful

i almost had a 4/4

[swift lava]

[stark thicket]

[tardy tusk]

sometimes its cheaper lmao

clown dps are like 2k?

[nova garden]

Okay, plz go out with me

[swift lava]

Lmao

[stark thicket]

Watcha blowing

[tardy tusk]

gae

[swift lava]

He do be cute

[swift lava]

Dick

[stark thicket]

[nova garden]

I’d rather just buy a bus

[sand marsh]

@fresh flint Check your DMs

[nova garden]

Dps boosts always tell me you’re too lazy to bus or can’t because bad.

[ancient tundra]

sus

[dim lark]

bro this guy baiting sups on sonavel with his main then switching to alt

[tardy tusk]

ofc, you´re the bus god.

[nova garden]

[quartz turret]

Sups gonna leave

[swift lava]

Icy should change that to his name

[dim lark]

he didnt

[quartz turret]

they’re stupid then

[tardy tusk]

just mm sona

[dim lark]

i did 5 times, no supp any time

[fresh flint]

Hmm did

[dim lark]

all we're bad alts

[nova garden]

That’s what I do

[tardy tusk]

I usually dont have problem with mm

i dont get suppots to

[sand marsh]

Good. Keep an eye out often in that discord. The teachers there have way more time than I do.

Work is going to be piling up in the coming weeks cause of the tax season.

[tardy tusk]

Im pusshing reaper

and wd rn

they both 1545

[fresh flint]

felt

[nova garden]

I just honed scrapper and reaper to 1490 and gs to 1540

My gold man

[tardy tusk]

1490 dotn cost gold man

[nova garden]

Oreha do

[tardy tusk]

Oh, that.

[faint grove]

still like 10k worth of orehas

[nova garden]

Cost me like 1.2k of them

I pitied a lot

[tardy tusk]

10k of orha, tf u smoking

[tardy tusk]

damn F

[faint grove]

fine 15k worth of orehas

[nova garden]

A lot a lot

[tardy tusk]

i got lucky tbh

just pitied weapon 1 time

rest was average

[nova garden]

I averaged around 80%

[fresh flint]

Doubt I will even have time for a static group

[nova garden]

[tardy tusk]

40 to 50% for me

lol

not a single tap to.

[tulip charm]

yea i was gonna queue up and do some none gold raids, saw this, not gonna queue now just gonna do some login dailies and logoff

i tried to buy some gems, still none listed

[prime wind]

chuan's revenge

[tardy tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/xdd-xdding-gif-10133275800044742472

[nova garden]

I just sold a bunch of gems

[fresh flint]

[prime wind]

are they still up

[tardy tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/xddinside-gif-26334946

Zheng did you test the arty changes?

[tulip charm]

i am checking the threads on "game feedback" on official discord, i think they are locking the threads

[tulip charm]

yes, but not enough results, haven't tested in raids yet only in some guardians and trixions

[buoyant wagon]

what are the threads about

disconnects?

[tardy tusk]

How do you feel arty so far?

I think is so fast that i need a lv 8-9 cd gem in the wealth skills.

[fresh flint]

hanu full of fucktards

[swift lava]

GUYSSS OMGGG

MY DEADEYE IS SO DAMN CUTEEEE

[prime wind]

cant wait to rebuy the accessories i sold later but at 1/3 the price

[queen grail]

Holy, what the fuck is going on with my paladin? It's my second 4/4

[fresh flint]

[ancient tundra]

welp

[fresh flint]

im done with hanu

that shit can get full rested

ima hone to 1580

ape ass

[queen grail]

@ancient tundra @silver hollow Yo, my paladin's second 4/4

[prime wind]

what killed ppl

[swift lava]

bruh i just bought this hat cause i wanted to make it black and it can't be dyed 😦

now i look gay

[tulip charm]

at the moment, still not sure, i am still missing 2 gems for it and the ah isn't selling what i need, everyone that have raided with it said its a massive improvement

[fresh flint]

idk by the time we got to white hanu all of the lives were fuckin used so when i died it was gg

[prime wind]

hanu is always a bring all battle items and assume u have to destro each time

[tulip charm]

heat seeking bullet and napalm both push your char backwards, some rotations have been changed, id have to relearn some of this stuff

[tardy tusk]

the push can be annoying sometimes.

[prime wind]

arent most artis happy about the changes tho

since its faster paced

[tardy tusk]

Oh yeah we happy

[tulip charm]

[tardy tusk]

can be better, ofc, overall is a w

[sand marsh]

Sad to see these posts every other day on reddit & in discord. Poor mokoko's.

[prime wind]

werent u unhappy about "nerfs" before zheng

[fresh flint]

FUCK.

[tulip charm]

yea because they did that spec efficiency nerf bullsht again and it got baked into this patch also

[prime wind]

they were afraid of u bussing voldis and thaemine understandable

[ancient tundra]

ayoo bro

[ancient tundra]

it is sad but nothing can be done

it s mostly the community

[queen grail]

If I get a 4/3 helmet I get 35 set.

[ancient tundra]

one day elixirs will be fun to get

[cedar zealot]

Game design + community

[ancient tundra]

ye

ratio is like 20/80

[cedar zealot]

It's on the devs to help incentivize vets to help out newbies actively

[sand marsh]

Devs are god.

[cedar zealot]

I'd say 60-40 but yeah

Devs can easily help combat gatekeeping

[prime wind]

where did i even get this

[cedar zealot]

But they want it to continue

[sand marsh]

Maybe when the game dies like BDO did, they will take a step back and make good changes & maybe it will magically revive

[dark raft]

this game is not dying what will happen is zerker and sorc mains will swap

[dim lark]

i might be acoustic

[fresh flint]

horseeeeeey

[fresh flint]

no fuck you sorc always

[dark raft]

like you'd find that zerker main or lil sorc dud casually swapping classes cuz they are dookie tyvm

oki bud continue missin your meatball

cope

[nova garden]

Think that’s from getting higher rowen ranks.

[fresh flint]

u dont even play the game

stfu tyvm

[dark raft]

tell me when you clear hm voldis if you ever get there

[stuck flume]

solo prog when

[fresh flint]

lmk when u dont suck dick

madge over sorc supremacy

[dark raft]

tell me when you dont

[fresh flint]

[dark raft]

literally gobblin on everyone in here

[fresh flint]

?_?

what

[prime wind]

ye ill bet

[dark raft]

[fresh flint]

idk half these ppl but whatever helps the slow in ur head

[dark raft]

slobberin on gobblin on evry one in here eheheh

[sand marsh]

Are you replying to that buneary person

[fresh flint]

i am

[dark raft]

here we go

[sand marsh]

It's a lost cause. I would ignore that individual.

[dark raft]

sorc and zerk main unite!

[fresh flint]

I've never had problems with buneary

[dark raft]

too bad they both cant clear voldis together

[fresh flint]

not til they decided to start running that dicksucker ig

[dark raft]

ayo

u a dick rider and scker then?

[prime wind]

yeah i think you're right i only do the weeklies tho

[dark raft]

[fresh flint]

i learned from the best

@dark raft

thx for teaching me

[dark raft]

ik yo momma

[fresh flint]

[dark raft]

i dont claim u

i wouldve used a hanger tbh

[fresh flint]

I'm shocked ur momma didnt tbh

U fr slow in the head

Surprised u can breath on ur own

[dark raft]

imsure yours didnt even have any in her closet

[fresh flint]

Can't relate to your poverty setting

try again

💅

[dark raft]

again lmk

when any of your character clear hm

anything

[fresh flint]

lmk when u get that money up and that funny up

[dark raft]

[stuck flume]

[dark raft]

my money and funny both up

[sand marsh]

I told you Chris. You don't listen

[dark raft]

u started w the shade

[prime wind]

oh where did u spend them

[fresh flint]

u out here flinging insults then circle back to lost ark - aint nothing up but your weight

i didnt tho

[dark raft]

all i said was sorcs and zerks bad

[fresh flint]

if u paid absolutely any attention i was 100% joking w u

[dark raft]

i am always joking

boi

[fresh flint]

like i told death i never had no problems w u

[dark raft]

so why are you @ing meee

[fresh flint]

or anyone here

tbh

[dark raft]

[sand marsh]

That man takes the game too seriously then makes imaginary scenarios in his head regarding "x player can't clear x content"

[dark raft]

u cant be making insults and taking my shit personally then acting liek im starting shit w u

like firstly

shitboi

[fresh flint]

ok but if u wanna circle back my very 1st message was a joke

[dark raft]

is on a different hate train

[fresh flint]

nothin was taken srs

[dark raft]

oki im all good chrissy

[sand marsh]

Buneary takes everything seriously. That's the problem chris.

[dark raft]

https://tenor.com/view/predator-arnold-schwarzenegger-hand-shake-arms-gif-3468629

[sand marsh]

It's why he has a hate boner for me when I don't even know who he is. Ran one with raid with him that's it.

[prime wind]

must have been a bad raid

[fresh flint]

[dark raft]

wo is he talking abboutttt

deathboi

[queen grail]

[dark raft]

go take your meds

broooo

[fresh flint]

my head hurt too bad rn

[prime wind]

last time chuan tried this he got a week long ban

[sand marsh]

Failed stagger checks is all it really was. The raid is on farm now for everyone. He makes a big deal out of everything.

[dark raft]

idc ban me

[swift lava]

did you get bunny?

[ancient talon]

when is next new content release? are we stuck on voldis for a couple months?

[dark raft]

i dont want to be here watching this low iq ape anymore

[sand marsh]

March or april thaemine. I forgot.

[prime wind]

valtan ex in march

[dark raft]

he cant even clear hm voldis on his 1620 zerk

[ancient talon]

oh damn that's pretty quick

[dark raft]

rmt cannot save u shitboi

[stark thicket]

somebody keeps staring at me in class

[fresh flint]

[ancient talon]

3 months of thaemine prep

[stark thicket]

[fresh flint]

ask them why theyre staring at u

[ancient talon]

blush and look away but then look back

[fresh flint]

maybe they wanna makeout

[fresh flint]

LMAOOOO

[sand marsh]

Yeah it is. I think we should get a longer break before Thaemine if you ask me.

[fresh flint]

@sand marsh when clownge

[sand marsh]

Soon. I'm still figuring out when my static is going to run voldis hm tonight.

[fresh flint]

ok

im doing mario 1

[sand marsh]

I also go into work in a few hours. We'll try to knock it out soon.

[fresh flint]

im sick so u have to let me

[dark raft]

another static about to boom

sheeeeeeesh

[ancient talon]

the more content the better. game will die if there's a 4-5 month lull

that's ridiculous

imagine doing dailies for 4 months

[bold aspen]

Fuck that

[dim lark]

https://tenor.com/view/wtf-huh-what-the-f-why-wtaf-gif-5589464956156088627

[bold aspen]

[fresh flint]

[sand marsh]

I don't believe so.

[fresh flint]

i can farm leapstones for 4 months

[sand marsh]

Most people I have seen - complain we are getting content too fast.

[dim lark]

how much can i miss from work if im sick?

[sand marsh]

Which I agree with personally.

[ancient talon]

you're on the bleeding edge though

[swift lava]

scalp send honing mats. i'm pro player

[ancient talon]

half a year is a long fucking time man

[prime wind]

the speed is whats good

makes ppl hone to hm and stuff

while we can chill in nm

[sand marsh]

Yet the event shop gives laughable materials each week. They expedite content, but not our progression (honing, cards, etc). KR had a longer time in between content.

[gleaming pendant]

look at this meta chaser @quartz turret

[prime wind]

u said 1620 was free anyway

[sand marsh]

[ancient talon]

bleeding edge 1%ers going for hardmode on release isn't hte majority of the playerbase

i agree tho the events are not scaled well

[prime wind]

no but they are the $$$

[quartz turret]

@azure valley yikes caught in 4k

[stark thicket]

[ancient talon]

material rewards aren't scaled properly. it's hilarious getting 8 raidant leapstones

[sand marsh]

This is true, but let's not pretend 1610 is cheap.

[stark thicket]

I stare back

[gleaming pendant]

bringing a char he dropped to trixion

I WONDER WHY

[prime wind]

scalp already flip flopping on whether 1610-1620 is expensive or free

[gleaming pendant]

HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

[prime wind]

classic scalp

[sand marsh]

For most players it is expensive.

[dim lark]

i wonder if i can hit 1620 this week

[sand marsh]

I'm not speaking about myself.

[quartz turret]

tmr we gonna see it doing akkan

[ancient talon]

in wow you're up to date if you make 2 raid sessions a week

[fresh flint]

The event shop materials are ass balls

[ancient talon]

in lost ark you need 18 raids on 6 char + dailies

[gleaming pendant]

akkan hm?

[quartz turret]

[sand marsh]

Of course. It is a failed system by default. Isn't designed for the long-term.

[quartz turret]

what a whale

[sand marsh]

voldis hm* with 40 set elixir

[ancient talon]

after thaemine it might actually be half a year for new content

then game will die

[prime wind]

ladon in august dw

[sand marsh]

Maybe once we are caught up to KR people can breathe

[buoyant wagon]

no reason to delay ladon anyways

when entry is 1620

[prime wind]

yep

[sand marsh]

This is a fair point.

[ancient talon]

oh dope

[prime wind]

august should be enough time to hone to 1620

[ancient talon]

bruh wow comes out with new full 10 boss raids every 4 months

[sand marsh]

If we get ladon this year, we will be caught up essentially.

Then at that point, players shouldn't feel as "rushed".

This is my outlook though

[prime wind]

damn saint has a maxed transcendance on his sorc

[ancient talon]

lost ark gets 3-4 gates every 4 months and the entry cost to playing that raid content is 3 months of daily grind

the fuk

or 400 dollars

[buoyant wagon]

400 dollars

[sand marsh]

I believe KR gets a longer time in between content.

[buoyant wagon]

[sand marsh]

If we are caught up to KR, we will get content around the same time, maybe even later than KR cause of translation work.

[buoyant wagon]

i mean, it doesnt take a genius to figure out why our version is rushed with no extra materials

[prime wind]

and it worked

[buoyant wagon]

it's because apart from russia

global makes the least

[sand marsh]

Yeah it is obvious.

[buoyant wagon]

and they want people to spend

[sand marsh]

Western players are not like other regions that adore the pay 2 gamble system. Most at least.

Probably why NA/EU doesn't generate as much revenue.

[buoyant wagon]

western players love their pay 2 gamble

just not in mmos

[sand marsh]

Well yeah I meant in MMOs.

[buoyant wagon]

they eat the shitpile that is gachas just fine

[prime wind]

u know what they need serenade

more gacha more golden frog

[buoyant wagon]

but in all honesty

[prime wind]

lost ark not capitalizing on the gacha gamers

[buoyant wagon]

western mmo players are some of the most whiny and bitchy players out there

[sand marsh]

Pretty sure BDO is a korean mmo, and died due to the fact that it was too grindy / p2w. Then once it died the devs stepped back, made it a bit less p2w/grindy.

I could be wrong though.

Lost Ark may follow this same trend if what I said is true.

[prime wind]

lost ark isnt really the same as bdo tho

the way the whales and f2p coexist in lost ark is much better

[sand marsh]

The gameplay system isn't, but that system can always be changed.

[dark raft]

jesus christ

go take them.

[kind geyser]

bdo players have accepted the grind mentality

[buoyant wagon]

i've said it before, people want BDO combat with FF14 level of director commitment with the longevity of WoW and the buy to play of GW2 while having no p2w or cash shop in their ideal mmo

[dark raft]

riot mmo

[kind geyser]

6 hour grind rotation a day
ez

[sand marsh]

I don't think people mind p2w. It just has to be a good game that is p2w.

[dark raft]

[buoyant wagon]

all of that is a complete fantasy

[sand marsh]

Most p2w games are garbage thus flop

[buoyant wagon]

p2w in a mmo is particularly egregious for a lot of people

because historically apart from rmt

the top dog in a mmo was determined by time investment, skill, and game knowledge

[sand marsh]

Well let's be honest, I don't think anyone has cracked the code of making a great MMO that is f2p + p2w.

[buoyant wagon]

because it doesnt exist lol

[sand marsh]

Yea in 2007.

[buoyant wagon]

the fact that you can p2w distorts everything else in the game

[sand marsh]

That's my point. I think p2w isn't a problem when the gameplay systems are good.

[buoyant wagon]

which is a dealbreaker for many people

[sand marsh]

p2w is in basically every game at this point. Unless you are playing indie games.

So you can't really run away from it.

[kind geyser]

i dont think many people cares about p2w as long as game is good tbh

[prime wind]

^

[sand marsh]

Yeah. I share that same mindset. I don't care if it's p2w. But pls don't allow 18 raids per week as a min-max. Because then people will feel forced into that

[prime wind]

u dont have to do it

[sand marsh]

I don't.

[buoyant wagon]

WoW is probably the extent of p2w that the average person would prefer

[prime wind]

u do

[sand marsh]

I don't have to go to work either.

I can just do nothing

[prime wind]

why would u not to go to work

[sand marsh]

[prime wind]

wtf

[kind geyser]

thats a lot of raids, i never finish all my raids
do my top 3 1600s and some 1580s

[prime wind]

dont use bozo comparisons

[buoyant wagon]

korean type p2w is not compatible with good game systems

[ancient talon]

just live off your trust fund?

[sand marsh]

You're saying I don't have too. Theoretically you don't have to do anything. But when the game incentives maximum gold income by doing 18 raids per week, you can not blame players to rush & complete them.

It can easily be reconciled.

[prime wind]

comparing that to not going to your job is trolling

[sand marsh]

The rebuttal of "just don't do it", is disengenious if you ask me.

[ancient talon]

working a job is actually min-maxing lost ark progression

[prime wind]

ya same lately i just been doing voldis with the cousins and finishing akkan sets

[lean pewter]

working a well paid job*

[fresh flint]

time to start on elgacia :(

[buoyant wagon]

there's always going to be a no life max efficiency path to playing any mmo

doesnt mean you must do it

[ancient talon]

i think min wage is more than raiding

[sand marsh]

The MMOs I have played, don't really have this. To the degree that lost ark does at least.

[lean pewter]

depends on where you're from

[prime wind]

u know when they added fate embers ppl ended up doing more chaos

[ancient talon]

1333 gold / CAD. 12 CAD = 16000 gold

[buoyant wagon]

but you dont need 6 characters to get 1 character to endgame lol

[fresh flint]

CHAOS GATE

[buoyant wagon]

precisely because this game is f2p

is why the developers make it so that past having one main

you're expected to no life or spend

[ancient talon]

16000 gold per hour is more than bussing

[prime wind]

not if u dont go into work

and bus instead

[sand marsh]

This is true. You can swipe, or progress at a much slower pace as a alternative. But my point is that the min-maxing is too much no-lifing. Even decreasing it to 5 gold earners or 4 is huge and saves more time, and is still somewhat no-life.

[buoyant wagon]

pretty much all f2p p2w games bottleneck you in that way

you either sell your soul or you sell your wallet

[ancient talon]

that's why i'm saying working min wage is faster than even bussing

[prime wind]

yeah the point is that, u no life to achieve the p2w experience

[buoyant wagon]

the developers set a soft cap on what you can achieve without spending or no lifing

[prime wind]

thats how the economy in the game works

[buoyant wagon]

if you want to go beyond that soft cap

[azure valley]

says king meta chaser Kae himself

[feral folio]

Lost Ark has a neat soundtrack

[buoyant wagon]

you no life or spend

[ancient tundra]

@fresh flint

[fresh flint]

what the fuc

[ancient talon]

i spend and i also no life but i'm almost done

[prime wind]

r u almost at your los30

[ancient talon]

i got more cards today but i blew my load

no card packs 17 cards left

10 selectors

7 cards away

pretty fuckin close

[prime wind]

remember when marcus did every card and argos run imaginable

[ancient talon]

i can finally play the game

[prime wind]

then quit after los30

[ancient talon]

that might be me lol

[sand marsh]

Of course. I think what would be nice is allowing an additional checkbox when you enter a raid. Let's say you have 6 characters at 1580. You can do akkan on 1 character, check the box to exhaust it on the rest. But you earn less gold & mats compared to doing it individually 6 times.

[dim lark]

is there any way to farm card packs with thaemine?

[ancient talon]

this game is a big fuckin investment and i only started playing because i have 3 months off

it's unsustainable i want to have a life

imma be a 1 character andy

paladin support with crusader anniversary 5 skin

i should jsut do that now

[dim lark]

i mean yeah, i like when an mmo its grindy, i feel like that's the main goal of mmos
to WASTE TIME on them

[ancient talon]

yes most games are just a time sink

[sand marsh]

Keep in mind, I am speaking in the perspective of an average player. I don't mind wasting my time in an MMO. That is what I look for. It's why I played WoW on & off for 15 years.

But I think my suggestion is a good one.

[buoyant wagon]

and do you know why they dont do that

it's because it reduces incentive to make alts

and therefore less money

[sand marsh]

You aren not increasing the soft cap as you mentioned earlier.

[kind geyser]

this guy has some fun content

[buoyant wagon]

and their playerbase eats it up anyways

[kind geyser]

https://youtu.be/n71WFUlMmHY?si=enK615qcwRRU8Skx

[dim lark]

no

noooo

[sand marsh]

They are already reducing that incentive by making 1620 honing expensive.

[buoyant wagon]

i mean, they can sell class reroll tickets

and that doesnt affect the soft cap

[sand marsh]

It seems like Smilegate wants you to play one character

as a main.

[buoyant wagon]

but they'll never do it because it's their biggest money maker

[buoyant wagon]

that is the point lmao

[dim lark]

isn't that the guy that keep yapping on and on about nothing?

[buoyant wagon]

if you arent no lifing or spending

you are expected to have one main only

[kind geyser]

its very entertaining. goes off the rail. makes you think its perhaps true for somethings

[buoyant wagon]

and you are locked to only doing x amount of content on that character

[kind geyser]

but mostly u meme

[buoyant wagon]

want to unlock more "content" to do? time to raise alts

in some ways it's like stamina in the early days of genshin

[sand marsh]

If that's the case, it shouldn't affect what I mentioned above. Sure, people may spend less time in the game - but it shouldn't affect profits because the whales or no-lifers will still do the raids individually for maximum gold income in this hypothetical scenario.

[buoyant wagon]

run out of stamina? gg you cant do any more stuff unless you buy more

they're not after just the whales and no-lifers

they want to pressure the average player to cave in and spend also

[dim lark]

HELL NAH

[fresh flint]

someone fund me

[high fog]

They just need to make the gold nerfs like more relative

[sand marsh]

Except that isn't working well because most people are buying botted gold, which is not profit for AGS/Smilegate.

[kind geyser]

if u ever run out of things to watch. try it. it will make u lul

[high fog]

If a 1490 top ilvl char then don’t give them nerfed vykas

But if it’s a 1490 of a 1600 roster

[buoyant wagon]

people are never going to swipe the exchange if 1. they literally dont ban anyone and 2. the ingame shop deals are dogshit

[high fog]

They shouldn’t even get the 2k or whatever from vykas or the 4.5 from clown

[buoyant wagon]

as for point 1, they will never enforce it against people buying gold from other players

[sand marsh]

Both of which exist. Unfortunately.

[buoyant wagon]

because that's too much of a pain in the ass to investigate

[ancient talon]

on NAW rmt is pretty close to selling skins

[buoyant wagon]

there is no incentive to swipe the exchange

[dim lark]

i love how the only updates we're getting at work relating the systems are work arounds not actual fixes

[sand marsh]

Especially with the 3-day hold.

[buoyant wagon]

no mileage, shit deals

3 day hold

rmt essentially unpunished, even from bots

[sand marsh]

If people are spending money, they want to have immediate access to what they are buying. At least in video games.

The 3-day hold only hurts them if you ask me.

[buoyant wagon]

people still swipe ingame in china even though rmt is far more rampant there

why?

because tencent forces you to do it to get cards

[ancient talon]

i thought people do get banned for rmt

[buoyant wagon]

and their shop has actually decent packs

also mileage

[sand marsh]

Import china shop to NA. Easy fix.

[azure valley]

you dont have much of a choice if you're legit. the restrictions make it difficult to sell skins if you need a large volume

[dim lark]

didn't a streamer in china got banned recently? or im dreaming

[ancient talon]

chinese publishers are at the cutting edge of p2w game design. even poe china has more advanced p2p trading systems

[sand marsh]

Time to move to china

[buoyant wagon]

china not having challenge abyss more than half a year into the game

is a pretty calculated decision

[sand marsh]

We didn't get that until a year later I believe.

[buoyant wagon]

on top of giving you legendary card packs for spending certain thresholds in shop

[sand marsh]

That's actually pog.

[buoyant wagon]

you dont want tencent's level of monetization in NA, trust me

[ancient talon]

yes i do

[buoyant wagon]

it's actually making people quit the game there

[ancient talon]

you don't know me

[prime wind]

why not there are plenty of asians in NA willing to spend

[sand marsh]

But you just said china cash shop has better deals?

Or am i missing something

[dim lark]

i mean aren't people complaining that tencent its making lol add the gacha skins?

[buoyant wagon]

they have better deals but at the cost of being extremely stingy with events and giveaways

stuff other regions get for free gets sold there

[prime wind]

i mean those r not really gacha the 200 dollar chromas are just from buying x number of capsules

[kind geyser]

do you guys see lost ark as Entertainment or Hobby

[prime wind]

unless u mean like tft

[sand marsh]

@buoyant wagon You may know this - doesn't KR have Legendary - Epic card packs in Mari's?

I believe KR does.

[ancient talon]

kr has cube tickets too

[fresh flint]

No hidden boss again :(

[ancient talon]

our shop is so primitive

[prime wind]

i wouldnt mind some cube tickets tbh

exp for chars

[sand marsh]

I don't know why KR has Legendary - Epic card pack in Mari's and other regions don't.

I think KR is the only region with that.

[buoyant wagon]

every "i dont know why" can be explained by "they want you to spend more for less value"

[sand marsh]

Why don't they do that in KR then?

What's the difference is what I don't get

[buoyant wagon]

domestic audience

can't piss them off

fuck everyone else

[sand marsh]

What the

[prime wind]

i dont think u understand the relationship between the publisher and players very well scalp

its china/korea then everyone else

[sand marsh]

How do I play KR Lost ark again? Someone remind me.

[buoyant wagon]

only if you are maplestory can you afford to keep shitting in your players' mouths while they continue to eat it

[prime wind]

ye but thats the playerbase niche

[buoyant wagon]

also because that game has no actual competition

[dim lark]

get somebody from kr to make an account under their mom's name and then buy it from them

[sand marsh]

@stark grove

[buoyant wagon]

china is bleeding players fast anyways

but their top end whales extremely hard

often to not play the game

but for stream content

[sand marsh]

If only whales exist, the game won't be sustainable.

[prime wind]

lol

[buoyant wagon]

scalp has never heard of games like lineage

[sand marsh]

What's the fun in whaling if you can't show it off to the f2p normies

[buoyant wagon]

or ragnarok

[prime wind]

never mind the players farming and feeding the whales

[buoyant wagon]

there will always be some f2p casuals

[sand marsh]

You stated they are bleeding players fast.

[buoyant wagon]

yeah but that's like

from 700k to 300k

[sand marsh]

That's a pretty large decrease.

[digital atlas]

Normal tho

[buoyant wagon]

happens in every game anyways

[prime wind]

i mean we went from 1 mil to 30 k

[sand marsh]

Of course.

[buoyant wagon]

plus the game has plenty of its own issues

[digital atlas]

We had a bigger drop

[sand marsh]

Pretty sure china's bot problem isn't nearly as bad as NA/EU

[dim lark]

i still think brel killed eu/na

[sand marsh]

I could be wrong.

[buoyant wagon]

nobody knows the actual numbers anyways

[prime wind]

there weren't that many bots on launch

[buoyant wagon]

you can't effectively bot mass scale there

[digital atlas]

NA is doing good. Not as good as it use to

[buoyant wagon]

their rmt puts ours to shame though

[prime wind]

a lot of ppl did want to try lost ark

[sand marsh]

Idk man. Week 1 i saw blatant advertisements of buying gold in luterra area chat

[buoyant wagon]

the competition for gold selling is so bad that people complain about not being able to make money off the game

[digital atlas]

I just came back to Lost Ark. It seems like it's doing good now

[prime wind]

thats cause they had the whole chargeback scheme going already

[cursive ruin]

anyone jailed g2 brel on euc

[ancient talon]

i love how advaned the rmt is in china

[swift lava]

[dim lark]

the good part with lost ark is that even if there are 10k people playing, there are 60k characters so the game always feels alive

[swift lava]

free

[sand marsh]

If you can't bot on a large scale in china, how would the RMT be worse?

That doesn't make much sense unless I am missing something.

[buoyant wagon]

multiboxers

entire operations dedicated to manually farming gold

[sand marsh]

Oh. We have a ton of those here too.

[prime wind]

ok but there are pahlev farms over there

hundreds of pahlevs

[buoyant wagon]

yeah you have those massive gold farming operations of like 50+ people whose job is to just run argos/valtan/vykas every single day for 12 hours

[sand marsh]

@buoyant wagon Can you have one of your friend screenshot the recent prices tab for Tier 2 accessories in China? I'm curious.

[buoyant wagon]

on thousands of accounts

[ancient talon]

is steam the only client for lost ark global? 40k concurrent is pretty bad for an mmo

[buoyant wagon]

they're all normal

[swift lava]

8 more taps til 1580 i am so closeee

[buoyant wagon]

you cant list sus priced t2s

or you get banned

[sand marsh]

Which means there must be many more pages than NA/EU

since u have to list at a lower price

If your saying the RMT is worse that is.

[buoyant wagon]

they investigate sus AH stuff but there is a threshold people figured out

[sand marsh]

What is it? Like 20k?

[buoyant wagon]

e.g. within 100k on t3 relics on crit/spec accessories of high quality, they dont look into it

[sand marsh]

[sand marsh]

Oh. 100k

[buoyant wagon]

if you list something like 500k, it'll get held for like 24-72 hours and investigated

[dim lark]

hard to belive they actually hired somebody to moderate it

[buoyant wagon]

people just mostly mail though

[sand marsh]

What's their stance on playing a seperate roster and funneling that gold into main roster?

[buoyant wagon]

they dont give a shit about that

[sand marsh]

Cause you can argue that if it is held.

[buoyant wagon]

lots of people do it

[swift lava]

stud

[dim lark]

does the amazonians ban players for that?

[buoyant wagon]

there are mail limits

used to be 50k outgoing gold per roster per week

[dim lark]

50k

wtf is that, 3 taps

[sand marsh]

TL;DR - official forum post (on the website back then), community mod stated it's not allowed to play a separate steam account. But isn't enforced because too much work.

[swift lava]

bruh it's gonna suck trying to do akkan without even having full level 3 set

[buoyant wagon]

they changed it yesterday

[dim lark]

i mean second roster on same account

[buoyant wagon]

based off highest ilvl character in your roster

[sand marsh]

Community mod never specified that.

Only stated seperate steam account.

I can't find the screenshot anymore.

[buoyant wagon]

<1430 - 20k gold
1430 to 1460 - 50k gold
1460 to 1475 - 80k gold
1475 to 1520 - 120k gold

1520 - 200k gold

[sand marsh]

This doesn't seem that bad.

[buoyant wagon]

it doesnt fucking do anything against rmt lol

[sand marsh]

I've never sent gold via mail unless it was to a friend.

[swift lava]

scalp send honor shards

[buoyant wagon]

all the gold sellers do is make more accounts

[swift lava]

[buoyant wagon]

and hone a few up

[dim lark]

i only got mailed gold once when a friend borrowed it to me and then i had to pay him back 20% more

[sand marsh]

Sure but that prolongs the process. It's somewhat effective, to a degree.

[buoyant wagon]

regular players were pissed

which is why they even changed it to reflect ilvl on roster

[sand marsh]

Why would they be pissed?

[buoyant wagon]

because it's very common in china to mail gold and stuff to friends

[sand marsh]

I've played for 8k hours and only sent gold maybe tiwce.

Oh.

[buoyant wagon]

cooperative gameplay is a lot more common there

friends and guildmates lending gold to hone and stuff

[sand marsh]

How can u do that in lost ark. Setting your roster behind

Unless you have whale friends.

[buoyant wagon]

more important to have friends with characters to raid with you

and to get friends into the game

and if you really wanted to be ahead, you'd just buy an account

[sand marsh]

How bad is bussing in China?

Do you know?

[buoyant wagon]

can't advertise bussing in pf

[sand marsh]

Really?

[buoyant wagon]

but rampant on wechat/qq/tieba

[sand marsh]

Wtf

[dark raft]

dont be like chuan and not make your wife a support main!!!!!

i miss chuans wife sm

[sand marsh]

I'm surprised they took that stance.

[dim lark]

i mean at the start of the game i was trading with my guild but now game to deadge to trust people

[buoyant wagon]

people just bus the multiboxers instead

and get paid via wechat pay

[sand marsh]

People do that in NA/EU as well lol.

[dim lark]

WHERE IS CHUAN

[swift lava]

when we getting the animated bubblegum that korea has?

[sand marsh]

Listing 1 accessory vs 2-7

[dark raft]

idk..

[fresh flint]

I got my first crystal dragon loot thingy in cube today

That thing chonky

Big looters

[buoyant wagon]

sure bussing 6 people in argos for $1.50 isnt much

[fresh flint]

[buoyant wagon]

but that's enough to buy some dumplings for lunch

if you arent in one of the major cities

[dim lark]

i mean

if u do it multiple times, it ads up

[buoyant wagon]

yeah and it's low effort

either way, apart from the ban on bussing ads

trade restrictions there aren't popular either

because everyone knows they do fuckall at the end of the day

[violet finch]

Plan B at that point

[dim lark]

can u stop being so cool?

[stark thicket]

Halp.. someone keeps staring at me in class and moved closer and asking me about anime.. I swear he fart d earlier

Save me

[dim lark]

tell them u hear voices

[neon cedar]

Ask them on a date

[violet finch]

https://tenor.com/view/jennifer-lawrence-what-do-you-mean-wdym-visible-confusion-confused-gif-6619664808114752648

[dim lark]

what
ur just cool
that's all

[violet finch]

https://tenor.com/view/cute-gif-25629848

[dim lark]

i hate this

[violet finch]

I kinda started slacking on adventure book

or collectibles rather

[fresh flint]

I die for the first time in sona and there aint no lives left

[swift lava]

skill issue

[urban obsidian]

huge

i woke up early enough

[wintry crypt]

MIZUUUU

[swift lava]

[wintry crypt]

[fresh flint]

last slayer alive missing every skill like a blind rat

[dim lark]

bro i had a sorc that was last alive on kuku g2 and he couldn't do 4 bars of dmg on over 1 min
and he was 1580

[dark raft]

oh nyooooo~

[tiny island]

anyone know what is that?

[swift lava]

the names

top tier

[fresh flint]

the description tells u what it is

its a transformation

[swift lava]

Chris being toxic as usual

[neon cedar]

Happy punni best bunny

[swift lava]

[dark raft]

cute funni also very cute but happy punni the best

[swift lava]

That’s the one I got

[fresh flint]

That's not toxic, it's just a fact...in the description it tells you what it is..

[swift lava]

Some people can’t read Chris

[fresh flint]

That's toxic, saying that.

Not me baby

[swift lava]

[neon cedar]

Lost ark players dont read*

[fresh flint]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1177237902720245801.gif?size=44&quality=lossless

i ran out of pirate coins so fast

doomed af

[swift lava]

I’m out also

Feels bad

[fresh flint]

I been buying them ship card packs

150-200 in 2 weeks

It's so expensive

[urban obsidian]

wtf

[swift lava]

I didn’t even get my cards this week

[urban obsidian]

why am i 5 stacks off max surge with the rotation

[fresh flint]

Trade your ghienah coins in for pirate coins

Thats what I did

[swift lava]

I did lol

[fresh flint]

wtf

we're fkd

smilegate give pirate coins pls

[swift lava]

I have 8 characters they don’t give enough

[weary ridge]

I heard servers are fixed? No more random EAC error?

[fresh flint]

Idk

[swift lava]

Idk

[fresh flint]

Any NAW players in the chat

[swift lava]

Sure

[fresh flint]

[swift lava]

Dead chat for a dead game

[fresh flint]

theres a bussy joke in there somewhere

i just cant find it

[swift lava]

[fresh flint]

[swift lava]

[fresh flint]

nvm i dont like that emoji

[swift lava]

wtf was that lol

[fresh flint]

it was a butt

[swift lava]

Chris posting penis

[dark raft]

how long does it take u guys to do unas?

[fresh flint]

NO IT WAS A BUTT

[stark thicket]

[swift lava]

2 min lol

[fresh flint]

2-5 mins

[swift lava]

Because that one makes you sit forever

[dark raft]

on all 6

[fresh flint]

oh

[stark thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/hungry-starving-feedme-gif-8391839290707720765

[fresh flint]

12-30 mins

[swift lava]

10 min

[fresh flint]

LMAO

[swift lava]

[fresh flint]

koko stop that rn

[dark raft]

aint NO way

am i just slow

[swift lava]

I mean I do lopang on most characters

[robust birch]

Yes

[swift lava]

Only my main 3 I do leapstones

[dark raft]

im alt tabbing

[swift lava]

Bifrost everything

[weary ridge]

4min on main and 2 min on alts

[swift lava]

Can’t wait to get my deadeye to 1580

[fresh flint]

albion is kinda ugly

[swift lava]

Nice rmt

[fresh flint]

huh

[quartz turret]

on alts u can do the voidis one for free 10leaps

[weary ridge]

Alts do Ghostship/mokoko market and Feiton F5. Main do the same but replace Feiton with weird ass tea/sit/kneel una

[swift lava]

It’s giving

[fresh flint]

Man elgacia story is so snooze man

[dark raft]

this /drinktea rly makes me wonder my choices in games sometimes

[fresh flint]

it rlly is thoooo

[dark raft]

why is that one una 5mins

[swift lava]

The elgacia one?

[quartz turret]

elgacia is good on first run

[dark raft]

i alt tab and end up watching a 10min video forgetting what im doing

una takes me 3hrs

[swift lava]

Skill issue

[fresh flint]

[swift lava]

[quartz turret]

im still doing pre reqs for elgacia

[fresh flint]

Do I KT elgacia....

I feel like I do

[magic vector]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1195039657356955660/1195062715597733898/20240111_195153.jpg?ex=65b29fe2&is=65a02ae2&hm=64d9685ab986798fa0cdf1fa43410b8b27a4a161f23e7e40a1ebf71c760b269c&

[weary ridge]

Its 3 min quest but I opt out to watch youtube and that una end up 15min long

[swift lava]

No you need roster xp Chris

[fresh flint]

i know but

elgacia sucks

[swift lava]

Wow where is this in lost ark

[fresh flint]

honestly on par with rohendale

[magic vector]

https://open.spotify.com/track/31nfdEooLEq7dn3UMcIeB5?si=1edaaf5ef1c8438b

[weary ridge]

Punika salad cooking

[swift lava]

[dark raft]

this is my actual issue rn loool

[swift lava]

Hate the cooking stuff so much lol

[fresh flint]

i dont touch cooking, at all

[dark raft]

u need legendary purify

[fresh flint]

i did cooking on my first roster

[prime wind]

i need that 2nd focus

[fresh flint]

and it made me depressed

[weary ridge]

Yea took me two years to finish Yorn cooking

[fresh flint]

is that in ignea tokens...?

[neon cedar]

Do your horizontal boys and girls

[dark raft]

its a new year and im still trying to finish vern rapport

[swift lava]

I skip cooking but do the other stuff

[dark raft]

Ye

[fresh flint]

fuck

[nova garden]

Me?

[dark raft]

toto castle in 15mins

[nova garden]

Oh

[fresh flint]

[rigid aurora]

coomers man

[quartz turret]

u dont need leg purify

[nova garden]

[swift lava]

Bussers went and ruined re entry tickets

[dark raft]

i will NOT miss it this time

[dark raft]

[weary ridge]

Currently have 14 tome max but idk if its worth to do Rowen for legry Purify

[dark raft]

u will not be in 1st thaemine

[urban obsidian]

@dull obsidian

[swift lava]

Only time you need it is akkan lol

For one gate

I use the green one

[rigid aurora]

[quartz turret]

i just use purple

[fresh flint]

I will not touch ignea hehe

[swift lava]

Where u get the purple one rosey?

[weary ridge]

I have the epic purple one thats y I didnt try to do Rowen lol

[dark raft]

in 1st thaemine

u will not be clearing

but ME

I WILL BE CLEARING 1ST TYVM

[swift lava]

Ok I guess I’ll go fuck myself

[prime wind]

yeah 1st gate then disband

[swift lava]

Where u get purple one

[nova garden]

i do that every day

[fresh flint]

purple is also from igneas @swift lava

[swift lava]

[nova garden]

playing two ark games is painge

[swift lava]

God damn t

Not doing ignea

[fresh flint]

me either

that shit boring

[quartz turret]

5 ignea

[weary ridge]

Like you need 9 tomes keys or something

[quartz turret]

5 is free tbh

[fresh flint]

ok but 5 ignea isnt bad..

[dark raft]

shut up dustin

[fresh flint]

should i just do the 5 first continents?

[weary ridge]

But most of us need like 9+ for 8 skill points right?

[swift lava]

Naur

I got 1 lol

[dark raft]

whats the horizontal pass tho

can we p2w cooking

[swift lava]

Sure send cc info I give you cooking stuff

And social security number

[dark raft]

[dim lark]

LET'S FUCKING GO

[robust birch]

Fuck you parsha

[fresh flint]

bruh

[swift lava]

Wow if there is anyone in here that doesn’t deserve it’s you

[dim lark]

fuck you

[swift lava]

Rmt

[dim lark]

yeah, the guy doing most chaos in this chat doesnt deserve this

sure

[swift lava]

Yay now you can get your hones

[robust birch]

U don't do the most chaos

[weary ridge]

There you go pity ur gears for a whole week

[dark raft]

how many are you doing LOL?

[fresh flint]

how many chaos huh?

[swift lava]

Parsha just sending a ss he saved from someone else

[buoyant wagon]

https://old.reddit.com/r/lostarkgame/comments/19483ug/reminder_to_not_be_so_toxic_when_things_arent/

[fresh flint]

[buoyant wagon]

[fresh flint]

i hate everything i want one

[prime wind]

nice overlay

[dark raft]

i think some ppl are not toxic enough

[robust birch]

How many per day Mr most chaos

[swift lava]

Nice photoshop

[prime wind]

putting it on your char was a nice touch

[dim lark]

random daily, but i would say over 120/ week

[swift lava]

Amazon employee in disguise

[dim lark]

wait no

[swift lava]

But congrats. Only 2nd 50k chest I’ve seen

[robust birch]

Are you counting per chaos or per character daily

[dark raft]

u do them on rested? these embers couldnt make me run 7 characters i still run my main 6 rested

[swift lava]

Scalp the other one lol

[urban obsidian]

[swift lava]

I do 8 a day

[dark raft]

[weary ridge]

I run main chaos everyday and alts just 3 times a week to finish “that” weekly thingy

[dark raft]

no wonder some of u feel so drained loool

[swift lava]

I also have una characters and alt account

[robust birch]

I do 15 characters rested 2 characters unrested don't be thinking ur doing the most chaos

[swift lava]

And js character lol

[dark raft]

do them rested that ember shit is rng

[quartz turret]

omg i can finally start elgacia

[dark raft]

they are baiting u guys w fomo

dont give in!!!

[robust birch]

There's people doing 24 characters unrested

[fresh flint]

Elgacia sucks

[dark raft]

[urban obsidian]

@dull obsidian wake up

[dark raft]

idgi

[weary ridge]

They dont touch grass?

[robust birch]

take a break, touch some grass for the meantime

[swift lava]

Only scalp does that

[fresh flint]

How can you tolerate 24 characters man

[dark raft]

dude unless youre a streamer or content creator w more than 20 views

[quartz turret]

i only run main unrested

[dark raft]

u have no bidness having 25 roster

like huh

u need to go outside

[swift lava]

Mental illness

[dim lark]

i do 6x7 ( main 6 chara) so everyday
and rested alts 3 to 5 times a week

so 6 chara * 2 chaos * 7 days so 84
+
random alts
19 chars * 2 chaos * 3/4 so that's ... 114-152

so most likely i do 150 - 200+ chaos / week

[robust birch]

I have 19 with 5 open slots