There is no x10 title
#lost-ark-discussions
ancient oasis
Wf is great it's very chill class your dps seems kinda low but it's actually alright you just do a lot of smaller numbers
uncut dirge
There's only x1 title
wind dagger
Riot Control
ancient tundra
supple parrot
Riot Control
That’s x1 
wind dagger
ancient oasis
There is no x10 title
There is one for beating gate 1 10 times but no 10 times for the entire dungeon
wind dagger
I haven't seen any voldis bus yet so I assume you have to clear it with 4 people
queen grail
still lintel
I haven't seen any voldis bus yet so I assume you have to clear it with 4 people
ive seen ivory busses
still lintel
day 1 there was
wind dagger
Haven't seen them in EUC yet
dull obsidian
in a 3 dps run
cursive ruin
The guy that let me into his valtan lobby gets it, saying you legit need like 2 1580s and that stacking 1600s is a waste when valtan dies so fast
ancient tundra
@still lintel ruan mei today bro u rdy ?
wind dagger
Or I just looked at wrong time
dull obsidian
fuck this hoe
uncut dirge
Haven't seen them in EUC yet
I definitely saw some
wind dagger
uncut dirge
And the normal mechs are definitely doable with 3
still lintel
<@173553155160801281> ruan mei today bro u rdy ?
got 53 tickets and partways to pity already
uncut dirge
But you do need to be really strong for it
ancient tundra
got 53 tickets and partways to pity already
Gl to u brother 
ancient oasis
The guy that let me into his valtan lobby gets it, saying you legit need like 2 ...
Yea a single 1580 can push valtan to hard anyways and cause him to phase to fast before you have balthor in g2
still lintel
Gl to u brother <:prayge:958467985457156106>
i stopped playing like 1 week into this patch 
uncut dirge
But I do wonder how you do rakathus 95x mech with 3
ancient tundra
Yea a single 1580 can push valtan to hard anyways and cause him to phase to fast...
Can assure u it always ends up like that
still lintel
so didnt get the healer
uneven mortar
ooh shit ruan mei today bbyyy
uncut dirge
Ah fk
Next week I'm going to have to learn how to do the mechs according to the guide
uneven mortar
i been sleeping late and having a nap everydya i better fix my sleep habit
uncut dirge
Because we probably did them wrong
uneven mortar
ancient tundra
Gl on ur pulls wrekk 
uneven mortar
swift lava
wtf do i do with nineveh necklace
supple parrot
wtf do i do with nineveh necklace
Sell it for silver
lime dove
rocky jackal
wtf do i do with nineveh necklace
Jerk off to it
lime dove
bleak star
When does the new hsr mommy come out?
tommorow
supple parrot
cursive ruin
Yea a single 1580 can push valtan to hard anyways and cause him to phase to fast...
Word
bleak star
or today for you
nova garden
bleak star
in 4hrs
nova garden
or today for you
You think this is enough?
bleak star
ancient tundra
Yesu
bleak star
prep your wallet
lime dove
50/50 either u get it or u dont
ancient tundra
you gotta get lucky once
In the end to Get this bozo
ancient oasis
I hit 50/50 100% of the time
ancient tundra
Yan
bleak star
Myself I got ~10 pulls to pity and 15k stellar jade
ancient tundra
bleak star
nova garden
What s your pity
0
uneven mortar
same
ancient tundra
I should be fine
uneven mortar
60 pity 8k
ancient tundra
+guanranted
uneven mortar
ez game
bleak star
its like 4 patches away bro
nova garden
I’m F2P in hsr
still lintel
i just wanna uninstall when this happens
uneven mortar
At ur job? Then swiping?
you know
im real f2p
i havent been spending my hardly earned income from my day job
devout fractal
dude
LMAO
dull obsidian
this brel g4 bus is hard
devout fractal
this brel g4 bus is hard
supple parrot
i havent been spending my hardly earned income from my day job <:mokokoEZThumbsu...
Wait so u got another job just to swipe?
uneven mortar
no, i only work one job
prime wrekk would work 5-6 jobs
but nowthat im old
im just chillaxing
supple parrot
uneven mortar
supple parrot
How would u work 5-6 jobs
dull obsidian
1: Main Job
2: Day Job
3: Night Job
4: Dream Job
5: Lost Ark
6: Massage Customer
sturdy harness
i tried helping some mokokos, g3 failed 20 times ICANT
uneven mortar
jk, but i know a dude who have a day job, but is close to alot of managements through contact, so he did his 9-5 then 5-12 as a contractor
usually he got called when a project goes to shit
and need to be done fast
before they get hit by complience fine
low nebula
getting gatekeeped in raids?
get second job and swipe you bozo
dull obsidian
getting gatekeeped in raids?
get second job and swipe you bozo
nova garden
How much are massages? @uneven mortar
uneven mortar
asians 300-350, caucasians are like 400-500 per horu i think
azure valley
1: Main Job
2: Day Job
3: Night Job
4: Dream Job
5: Lost Ark
6: Massage Customer
how we know wrekk is actually a massage customer and not just the creepy janitor there? 
dull obsidian
nova garden
asians 300-350, caucasians are like 400-500 per horu i think
That’s not bad
low nebula
is "massage" is a tasteful euphemism?
nova garden
That’s really not bad
dull obsidian
uneven mortar
nah just real massage, you got bad back ?
fresh flint
@quiet igloo Guess what I got 
uneven mortar
when you get old, neck back, shoulders get stiff
that needs some caring touch
thats when massages come into picture
azure valley
wrekk just goin in and cleaning the sheets
ancient tundra
<@442034893845823489> Guess what I got <:Smirk:996499353873174639>
Card xp
uneven mortar
i too old for that shit
nova garden
nah just real massage, you got bad back ?
Yeah, got a stiff muscle and was wondering how much it would cost to get it massaged.
ancient tundra
tulip charm
why does it feel like the cube queue for supp is so bugged, always 2 supps, sometimes 3
empty sleet
why does it feel like the cube queue for supp is so bugged, always 2 supps, some...
dps solo it
supple parrot
why does it feel like the cube queue for supp is so bugged, always 2 supps, some...
Always 1 for me. If queue takes more than 2-3 min then it means it will match up with more than 1 sup
quiet igloo
fresh flint
<:Wei:944760474875068447>
That's all I ever get from embers now
low nebula
<:smadge:1052707719531986985>
20g
cursive ruin
Path to... thaemine
fresh flint
<a:seinutable:1121418895077687388>
Need cali?
low nebula
Path to... thaemine
when?
cursive ruin
I don't know when
wintry depot
you can get it
cursive ruin
Beccause I'm watching old atk videos and he's talking about like 3x3
wintry depot
with negatives
fresh flint
B/c as far as I understand we arent close to the end of the games lore
wintry depot
fresh flint
1750 when
low nebula
i guess next thing on the upgrade is additional bullshit for stone
fresh flint
2025 new max iLv is gonna be 2k 
cursive ruin
Dude this fucking emote scares me
fresh flint
quiet igloo
cursive ruin
Stop
quiet igloo
fresh flint
xD
low nebula
cursive ruin
Asmongold has it in his chat and it jumpscares me
fresh flint
i love it
low nebula
reading asmon chat
fresh flint
low nebula
cursive ruin
I watch a lot of streamer content as background noise when adventure tome n stuff
low nebula
doing adventure tome
fresh flint
wait chris u wanna carry my bard?
i cant carry my 1580 is so useless lol
im on my slayer rn
cursive ruin
A man has to get his max sp
cursive ruin
Does anyone have a list of easiest adventure tome / adventure tome listed by least rapport required
thick pendant
Dude this fucking emote scares me
what emote?
fresh flint
nah im using my aero as lopang slave
quiet igloo
they main aero i think
fresh flint
thick pendant
thats some undertale shit
cursive ruin
bobba
nova garden
ancient tundra
ancient tundra
<:Conflicted:1047267453442478080>
fresh flint
ancient tundra
Ur Angel is lowkey a devil
nova garden
fresh flint
still lintel
ancient tundra
<:OMEGALUL:852980789452996678>
Akkan
fresh flint
ancient tundra
Or to dragon
nova garden
Delete then
ancient tundra
Delete dn
fresh flint
nova garden
Can make more slayers
ancient tundra
Can make more wds
swift lava
how many pieces u get from brel 1-3
swift lava
i meant the total amount lol
nova garden
Bro
swift lava
w the little double they give u
fresh flint
oh the mats
fresh flint
its 7+7 minus boxes idk how much the box gives
fervent ibex
i meant the total amount lol
fresh flint
2/4 for kanglenium matchmaking
swift lava
is that with the extras they give you now?
fervent ibex
thats a good ass question
tidal sleet
cos it takes fuckin ages to make
nova garden
cos it takes fuckin ages to make
I got a bread maker
I dump all ingredients in there and wait a few hours.
tidal sleet
fresh flint
I got a bread maker
ive been wanting one so bad
tidal sleet
spare time to do things
fresh flint
nova garden
spare time to do things <:Susge:1065387133990355014>
Time?
still lintel
5/18 raids completed this week 
terse sonnet
You're not supposed to have enough time
That way you grind and spend your paycheck on them instead of raids
still lintel
i have enough time to do them all
still lintel
i just dont wanna spend that amount of hours
tidal sleet
If you have any other responsibilities that take up time you are behind in loa
Its a game designed for true degens 
ancient tundra
If you have any other responsibilities that take up time you are behind in loa
It s fine
Rl more important
tidal sleet
I agree, its why I quit
Theres not a way for me to balance LOA and any form of my IRL anymore
still lintel
other games more fulfilling
ancient tundra
Sadly
frail swallow
If you FOMO, sure
tidal sleet
Im playing BOTW on my new switch for like an hour or two a night now
frail swallow
You don't have to be all caught up at all times across all characters
Also its not a bad idea to just take breaks or step away from the game for a while
nova garden
It takes two seconds to toss a few ingredients into a bin and press start.
ancient tundra
I m 2 char andy so not much pressure to catch up
tidal sleet
With my available time I wouldnt be able to do 3 raids
frail swallow
Will you have to play a bit of catchup? Sure, but do it around express events
ancient tundra
nova garden
spare time to do things <:Susge:1065387133990355014>
You can just toss shit in and let it go.
tidal sleet
Ill toss things into you icy
ancient tundra
ancient tundra
Also its not a bad idea to just take breaks or step away from the game for a whi...
Ye express events do help out if u ever feel the need to catch up
Otherwise it s all good
nova garden
Ill toss things into you icy
frail swallow
Never FOMO about anything on MMORPGs
Unless its GW2 you're always going to be behind
nova garden
My wife is thankful that ive quit loa
And now it’s Nikke time 
frail swallow
That is just the nature of the genre, especially with how the sweats and nolifers play
tidal sleet
And now it’s Nikke time <:mokokoLight:865059158600843284>
I can do most of nikke while im making my daughter breakfast and feeding her
ancient tundra
No lifers are truly smt else
supple parrot
3 more hones 
ancient tundra
I can do most of nikke while im making my daughter breakfast and feeding her
How old is she if u don t mind me asking 
nova garden
I can do most of nikke while im making my daughter breakfast and feeding her
the wonders of idle gacha
tidal sleet
My current morning schedule is login at 7am sharp (reset) and do manufacturer towers, then all the other stuff can just be autod.
nova garden
Ez life
midnight marlin
i hate idle gachas 
tidal sleet
I turn on the pc and do interception for like 10 mins
to make sure I get full clear
the rest is easy
midnight marlin
log in and auto gachas >
tidal sleet
How old is she if u don t mind me asking <:A_HuTaoWew:836846987285364736>
Daughter 3, new son is 1 month old now
ancient tundra
Daughter 3, new son is 1 month old now
Oh pog gz to u man
frail swallow
No lifers are truly smt else
Its why FOMOing is just not a good idea. One could make the argument that the game is designed around FOMO, and to a certain point that isn't wrong but at the same time no MMORPG builds itself entirely around that because then they wouldn't get new players and they need new players.
tidal sleet
thats what loa is and does
fresh flint
frail swallow
the catch up events that it hosts arent enough
Yeah they are.
fresh flint
frail swallow
You gotta commit to this game
You have to commit to any MMORPG.
They are the time commitment genre
empty sleet
generous to call this mmo
frail swallow
Always have been
frail swallow
generous to call this mmo
It is
obtuse oyster
generous to call this mmo
it is
frail swallow
Same as Destiny 2 is an MMORPG
obtuse oyster
not every mmo is ff14 or wow
frail swallow
^
ancient tundra
not without spending
Or use code chuan
buoyant wagon
because the base game is f2p and the game doesnt sell you convenience to make money off you
frail swallow
And you are not required to spend, which is why Sidereal weapons are just whale bait
buoyant wagon
games like BDO have a very high soft/hard cap but you can still functionally catch up because the game is able to be designed that way since the developers make money off players swiping for qol/convenience items
buoyant wagon
Lost Ark doesnt have convenience/QOL to swipe for, so it's basically true f2p for the average player
buoyant wagon
So the developers make money by pressuring to spend to keep up with content or catch up
nova garden
Lost Ark doesnt have convenience/QOL to swipe for, so it's basically true f2p fo...
Yeah, no bag space or other bullshit.
frail swallow
Weight and inventory space in BDO, and it being specific to each character, is hell
tidal sleet
They make a pittance from aura
ancient tundra
IVE BEEN ON A CALL FOR 2 HOURS
Who tf is talking to u about his life problems
Holy
frail swallow
They make a pittance from aura
They have quite literally said they make the most from cosmetics
tidal sleet
no surprise
night coral
daim that Elgacia story was good, it that the last message ?
tidal sleet
boobies
still lintel
wow and ffxiv not even close in the amount of time needed to invest as lost ark
empty sleet
wow pixel!
dim lark
Who tf is talking to u about his life problems
nah, client was pretty much scammed like $900, i helped her out save like $500
frail swallow
They said it back when they announced that they were removing the blue crystal cost for the extra chest and changing it to just gold
ancient tundra
nah, client was pretty much scammed like $900, i helped her out save like $500 <...
Oh oof
buoyant wagon
i mean yeah of course they make the most off cosmetics
what else are people spending money on
dim lark
i had to read like 200 notes from 4 years ago, i want to die
frail swallow
wow and ffxiv not even close in the amount of time needed to invest as lost ark
Say that to the month+ I spent just going through story from ARR to Shadowbringers in FFXIV
buoyant wagon
ff14 story is the main drag
the upkeep is much lighter than lost ark
once you are up to date with the patches
ancient tundra
Say that to the month+ I spent just going through story from ARR to Shadowbringe...
It s that long ?
frail swallow
Also WoW has a lot of time investment or spend money (WoW token) situations as well
buoyant wagon
story from 2.0 to 6.0 is easily 1000 hours
at least 500
depending on how fast you go through it
ancient tundra
Do you have to pay for every extension ?
frail swallow
And if you think WoW's gear drop system is any different to Lost Arks honing system in terms of consistency or getting "upgrades" you'd be wrong
ancient tundra
Or just monthly sub is enough
buoyant wagon
expansion and sub
frail swallow
Do you have to pay for every extension ?
FFXIV and WoW you have to buy each expansion and sub
buoyant wagon
but newest expansion usually includes everything before it
frail swallow
^
buoyant wagon
if you were to start
ancient tundra
Makes sense
frail swallow
Yup for both WoW and FFXIV
pulsar imp
Noice 3 tips for G4 Ivory Tower
1.During this pattern ( first image ) if u dont pick up that purple ball it will destroy the nearby platform u have to pick it up with space bar otherwise it will imprison you
2. During this pattern ( second image ) always the second person who got the red thing under their feet will have the safe spot on them
3. During this pattern ( third image ) u can see where the counter will be by looking at mini map ( your teammate number will be there )
nova garden
FFXIV and WoW you have to buy each expansion and sub
Box price, patch price, cash shop, monthly sub
dim lark
i kinda wanted to try wow but its so shit man, like the game feels too old
they should quit building a 20 years old game and just start fresh
buoyant wagon
ff14 is arguably the only mmo that truly respects your time
gw2 is a good contender also
nova garden
I’d play but ff looks like a ps2 game bro
frail swallow
GW2 however does have other issues
fervent ibex
ff14 is arguably the only mmo that truly respects your time
actually the GOAT of MMORPGs, but I will say the absolutely most BORING style of combat
still lintel
Say that to the month+ I spent just going through story from ARR to Shadowbringe...
yh but thats a one time investment
frail swallow
ANet as a studio tilts my existence
dim lark
honestly i think lost ark even if its old its still one of the best looking games
mmos*
still lintel
now you can play every class and every profession in a single character
ancient tundra
Lost ark does look good not gonna deny
buoyant wagon
ancient tundra
except only 11 years too late
When they lost most of the playerbase ?
Too late ig
frail swallow
yh but thats a one time investment <:OMEGALUL:852980789452996678>
Sure, but also FFXIV isn't a vertical progression aimed MMORPG, neither is GW2 but WoW, Lost Ark, Destiny 2, and BDO all are
frail swallow
When they lost most of the playerbase ?
Basically...
buoyant wagon
its never been a dead mmo
but it bled a lot of players who may have otherwise stayed
due to poor management
fervent ibex
Lost Ark is like a 3/10 in terms of being a good MMORPG, but it's 10/10 for combat and raids, and that's pretty much the only reason people still play. It's an amazing raid sim lul
dim lark
i feel like an mmo story should be AT BEST 10 years old, because if not they keep rebuilding on an old engine and game with spaghetti code that's gonna end up on the shitter
buoyant wagon
and lack of an idea on what to do
pulsar imp
people only play Lost Ark because it has really good raids and really fun and satisfying class gameplay if they did not have that NOBODY would play it
dim lark
man i saw the wow raids
im sorry if you like them but i think they're pure shit, holy fucking god, i don't understand how anybody would enjoy those raids
uncut dirge
WTT wolf for fate ember
still lintel
in wow it depends how they doing itemization for the current patch/expansion
pulsar imp
man i saw the wow raids
im sorry if you like them but i think they're pure shit,...
WoW raids nowadays are dogshit in the retail version ofc
frail swallow
people only play Lost Ark because it has really good raids and really fun and sa...
People play BDO for the very same reasons, well excluding the Raids. BDO PVE is 99% mob grinding
still lintel
think it was nazjatar where it was horrible
buoyant wagon
music, environment, and difficulty wise
fresh flint
buoyant wagon
ff14 raids win hands down
pulsar imp
WoW is fun when u are bored and u play some Lich King or Season of Discovery now . But RETAIL WOW - hellll no bro its tragic.......
dim lark
ive played quite a lot of mmos with shit raids but on wow i always said fuck this shit after like 1 or 2 raids
uncut dirge
runescape has probably the best raiding system though
still lintel
rng with getting correct item, getting correct stats, getting correct effect and getting socket
fervent ibex
FFXIV raids are cool in design and concept, but the combat itself, which is a big portion of a raid for me, is so bad and can't keep me around
buoyant wagon
lost ark doesnt have an actual hard difficulty that isnt hell
and hells rewards are shit
supple parrot
le hammer god
buoyant wagon
and is being discontinued
uncut dirge
lost ark raids are pretty hard though
pulsar imp
Hell raids are really a challange but nobody plays them because the reward for it is non existant
buoyant wagon
for the average casual yes
but that's every game
if you remotely have hands, not even hard mode is hard except for thaemine
still lintel
and is being discontinued
0 point doing hell when you gotta do 18 raids every week + chaos/gr daily
uncut dirge
idk lost ark has a lot more movement
dim lark
WDYM, HELL REWARDS ARE THE BEST
pulsar imp
and lets be honest title for doing all this shit is not worth it at all
buoyant wagon
raiding in this game is harder for the lowest denominator
but very easy for the top denominator
compared to other games
fervent ibex
i'd do hell raids even if they just had a one-time gold reward
pulsar imp
compared to other games
if they want the game to stay alive they cannot create a content for the top 5% of the playerbase
uncut dirge
but nothing in there even remotely approaches lost ark raid difficulty
buoyant wagon
if they want the game to stay alive they cannot create a content for the top 5% ...
yes they can
uncut dirge
it was annoying and failure was more common because more people
buoyant wagon
wow and ff14 do it
dim lark
I used to think the mmo trifecta its how a game should work till i realized that its just a bs concept
uncut dirge
but individual difficulty was real low
pulsar imp
yes they can
ye they did Hell mode and nobody plays it
buoyant wagon
hell participation would be higher
if people didnt have to do gold earning raids
or if the rewards were better
uncut dirge
like i never saw the kind of struggle in wow that i see in lost ark raids
fervent ibex
ye they did Hell mode and nobody plays it
thats not cuz its a "5%er" raid lol. its cuz its rewards suck and they already make people FOMO 18 weekly raids
pulsar imp
if people didnt have to do gold earning raids
no u are wrong here u can do your gold earning raids all 18 of them in 2 days
uncut dirge
it might be because of whatever that addon was
fervent ibex
other games like FFXIV and WoW ahve "top 5%" raids too
uncut dirge
that basically told you what the boss was doing
fervent ibex
people still run those
pulsar imp
nobody does hell mode because just a title is not worth the effort
buoyant wagon
lolwhat
uncut dirge
but like one boss from naxx
buoyant wagon
how many people are doing their 18 gold earning raids in 2 days
uncut dirge
was literally just walk left to right and right to left in a rhythm
buoyant wagon
unless they dont have a fucking job lmao
pulsar imp
how many people are doing their 18 gold earning raids in 2 days
me for example i can do those in 2 days
uncut dirge
anotehr one was "don't stack wrong debuffs together" "oh and warriors get to spam execute, gg ez"
pulsar imp
no and no
fervent ibex
ah
pulsar imp
i work night shifts
buoyant wagon
no fucking shit you can do 18 raids in 2 days then
especially if you dont spend your time doing anything else
like going outside
pulsar imp
i do because i do everything in 2 days and then im doing whatever i want for the next 5
meanwhile u are stuck in lobby on Saturday
keen copper
buoyant wagon
have you bothered to consider that most normal people cant do this
because they work an actual full time job, have a family, have more important life obligations
midnight marlin
no because he is the normal
uncut dirge
well, regardless, i think just regular patterns in lost ark being so scary to dps is what makes them harder
midnight marlin
buoyant wagon
dont want to spent 2 days playing lost ark for 8+ hours each
pulsar imp
same as most people cant compete with top 5% of the playerbase and they cannot create a raid so hard that only the top 5% will clear it
uncut dirge
yeah, but it also matters a lot less
buoyant wagon
the issue is not having raids that only the top 5% can clear
uncut dirge
we don't usually chase enrage timers when people have hands
buoyant wagon
the issue is that there's not enough content otherwise
uncut dirge
well, lost ark's issue is a lack of content
buoyant wagon
and the top 5% content gives shit rewards
uncut dirge
because ilvl makes old content completely obsolete
quartz merlin
I mean there is content
pulsar imp
i know 18 raids per week is a huge issue i hate it personally i wish they changed it in some way but they dont wanna do that
quartz merlin
if they want ur main to get more then 3 raids
buoyant wagon
and shit rewards competes with raids that have actual rewards
empty sleet
pogcrazy!
buoyant wagon
wow survives just fine with mythic, ff14 survives just fine with ultimates
uncut dirge
i think i wouldn't mind 18 raids as much if there wa sless downtime between raids
but getting into lobbies for some raids takes as long, if not longer, than the raid itself
buoyant wagon
why? because the rewards are decent, mythic racing is sponsored, ff14 is easy to upkeep
still lintel
wow survives just fine with mythic, ff14 survives just fine with ultimates
wow also got m+ dungeons
buoyant wagon
and most importantly there's other shit to do in the game for casuals
uncut dirge
but yeah
buoyant wagon
lost ark has literally nothing other than raids
pulsar imp
i think i wouldn't mind 18 raids as much if there wa sless downtime between raid...
it depends how strong your roster it if your roster is dog alts at 1540 and u are trying to do Brel kayangel and clown and u have lvl 7 gems and los 18 no wonder it takes long for some people
uncut dirge
chaos dungeon is a poor imitation of ARPGs
thick pendant
i think this is my first time getting this?
buoyant wagon
the game is a vertical hellhole to the point that any time the developers try to add in side content
uncut dirge
questing is... somebody wanted to write a book, but decided to force players to sit through it instead
buoyant wagon
the korean playerbase bitches
because "waste of development resources"
"need more stuff to do to climb vertical ladder"
fervent ibex
chaos dungeon is a poor imitation of ARPGs
Guardian Raids were apparently designed after Monster Hunter World too 
thick pendant
uncut dirge
at least in WoW the ore etc can spawn in random locations
fervent ibex
this games just ripping off good games and making shittier versions
pulsar imp
sometimes my lobby fills in 1 minute for Brel 1-4 run sometimes 2 minutes for Akkan 1-3 sometimes it takes 15 because im on my worst bard who is 1565
uncut dirge
or at least larger locations
and if you go to an area that's rarely visited you can go pick up those herbs
because they'll be useful
empty sleet
They should copy an automation game for stronghold update
uncut dirge
in lost ark if you go to low level zone to pick up herbs you're getting less for your life skill energy
still lintel
just change gold character earning to 1 and x6 the gold reward and now people have more time for other stuff in the game
buoyant wagon
they will never do 1 gold earning character
because it defeats the purpose of alts for many people
and less alts = less money
uncut dirge
i mean
empty sleet
Current copium is rested legions
buoyant wagon
that was to prevent inflation
uncut dirge
but inflation is good
frail swallow
they introduced the 6 character gold earning limit
Yes because no limit made inflation absolutely insane
uncut dirge
ok i guess that's why they did it
buoyant wagon
no, unchecked inflation is not good
uncut dirge
good for the players = bad for the developer
buoyant wagon
????
frail swallow
but inflation is good
No. It isn't. It made it basically impossible for any newer player to get anything ever
uncut dirge
no, unchecked inflation is not good
well every other MMO does it
keen copper
but inflation is good
Bro has not taken a single Econ class
uncut dirge
and somehow they work fine
buoyant wagon
what
uncut dirge
they even have functioning economies
frail swallow
well every other MMO does it
No, they don't.
dim lark
i have 6 raids left 
time to sleep it is
uncut dirge
yes they do
most other MMORPGs have a massive amount of inflation going on constantly
but in a game inflation is a function of hours played by players
buoyant wagon
what mmos allow you to print infinite money without controls such as fixed prices, no trading, etc.
frail swallow
^
uncut dirge
which means that eventually the amount of gold in circulation gets so high that in practice the inflation becomes negligible
uncut dirge
yes it is
pulsar imp
well every other MMO does it
there is a server on WoW classic ERA ( an example ) an elixir that usually costs like 50 silver or 1 gold on this server costs 110 gold because everybody is SWIMMING in gold because they are doing GDKP's since 2020 in Naxxramas
buoyant wagon
if it did, every government can print more money to solve its problems
uncut dirge
there is a server on WoW classic ERA ( an example ) an elixir that usually costs...
yes, and it's irrelevant
buoyant wagon
because eventually "inflation becomes negligible"
uncut dirge
if it did, every government can print more money to solve its problems
??????????
tidal sleet
They will never do that scalp. They are so scared to decrease players playtime
swift lava
servers go down tonight?
tidal sleet
Look how hard it was for them to reduce dailies
uncut dirge
that doesn't happen in real life
empty sleet
servers go down tonight?
Yes forever
tidal sleet
I agree
swift lava
Yes forever
tidal sleet
I would play again probably
uncut dirge
in real life inflation increases are % based
but in a game inflation is based on the hours player splay
buoyant wagon
that is still not how inflation works in game
buoyant wagon
unchecked inflation is not good for virtual economies either
pulsar imp
Look how hard it was for them to reduce dailies
u are right i mean the less time u spend in the game the less likely u are to spend some money for something
pulsar imp
imagine if pheons did not exist ability stone prices would be like 5k gold per one . Accesories would cost like 50k more . Meanwhile your gold earning is the same
uncut dirge
so how does inflation benefit players
honing is fixed cost
quality upgrades are fixed cost
buoyant wagon
and there's a shit ton of other things that arent fixed cost
frail swallow
honing is fixed cost
But those are not the only forms of vertical progression per character. You need your engravings, you need your stats, you need your gems.
ancient tundra
They will never do that scalp. They are so scared to decrease players playtime
Ye they won t
uncut dirge
But those are not the only forms of vertical progression per character. You **ne...
yes
fresh flint
Evolved mentality said inflation is good therefore it is
i like tetls
uncut dirge
but engravings, accessories and gems are a player market
empty sleet
i like tetls
me 2
buoyant wagon
and the stuff that new players get
tidal sleet
Its unfortunate because you would truly be able to funnel and focus on a single character
tidal sleet
not having to worry about whether your 6th shitty alt will get gatekept for hours
uncut dirge
higher price for engraving, accessories and gems means that some players pay more, but other players make more money
buoyant wagon
because the veterans are all past that stage of the game
frail swallow
In KR the inflation was so bad with the fixed gold earning per character that new players simply could not and did not have the gold income to even get close to being able to buy things for their engravings, or gems, or accessories
^
uncut dirge
of course it will adjust to inflation
but player market has PLAYERS ON BOTH SIDES
if one side is at a detriment the other side is at a benefit
buoyant wagon
aerroon showcasing why he failed his economics classes in school
uncut dirge
and last i checked everybody generates gems, engravings and accessories
pulsar imp
i f....hate the fact that it takes so long to craft Akkan gear - that should be reduced by half like the ammount of mats
ancient tundra
https://tenor.com/view/turtle-turtles-turtle-head-sleeping-wake-up-gif-25516960
Tuteel
frail swallow
if one side is at a detriment the other side is at a benefit
Yes, and new players in this circumstances are at the detriment...which is bad
uncut dirge
they have to swipe like smilegate intended
buoyant wagon
new player just needs to drop a 500k accessory that some whale buys
empty sleet
They already cant get pheons unless its from an event
buoyant wagon
still lintel
They will never do that scalp. They are so scared to decrease players playtime
prob less because of decrease in players playtime and more because people would spend less to keep up
frail swallow
they have to swipe like smilegate intended
Just don't.
uncut dirge
not to mention that you're given like 500 pheons as a new player anyway
frail swallow
Aerroon don't you even with that
buoyant wagon
.......inflation is good because new players get more value out of swiping
uncut dirge
Just don't.
???
SOMEBODY has to swipe with pheons
fresh flint
Is anyone else done ark pass? I got 4 more levels to go 
buoyant wagon
uncut dirge
if you're buying blue crystals SOMEBODY had to swipe for them
ancient tundra
Is anyone else done ark pass? I got 4 more levels to go <:peepoBigSmile:91404452...
No lmao
I m far from done
empty sleet
how tf u almost done ark pass
buoyant wagon
this is a new tier of brain damage even for you
uncut dirge
this is a new tier of brain damage even for you
no
frail swallow
???
SOMEBODY has to swipe with pheons
Yes, but not the new player if they have enough gold. Which inflation makes worse and worse and less and less accessible
fresh flint
how tf u almost done ark pass
uncut dirge
you just don't understand
midnight marlin
<:ddx:1017255330486419529> GO GO GO FASTER
mf did the hell quests
empty sleet
lul valid
fervent ibex
I'm still of the belief Pheons are useless. Anyone who defends Pheons are SG dickriders 
uncut dirge
yes, because blue crystals require somebody to swipe
empty sleet
I'm still of the belief Pheons are useless. Anyone who defends Pheons are SG dic...
pheon gif
uncut dirge
and new players get like free 300-500 pheons anyway
fresh flint
uncut dirge
so why does it even matter
ancient tundra
@empty sleet imagine if kingdom hearts was made by EA you would have to pay for the ending and worlds
pulsar imp
yes pheons are stupid and i agree
uncut dirge
i haven't bought a single pheon on jump start
empty sleet
<@456226577798135808> imagine if kingdom hearts was made by EA you would have to...
EA luckily doesnt make games
frail swallow
you just don't understand
No...we have just yet again run into a scenario where you have dug a hole with your weird take 
empty sleet
THey just sell them
buoyant wagon
lol is your argument that free pheons translate into inflated gold cost for new players
pulsar imp
EA luckily doesnt make games
EA makes FIFA which is dogshit
buoyant wagon
therefore they are getting more bang for their buck?
uncut dirge
you get more pheons every week bro
buoyant wagon
icant
empty sleet
Last good fifa was 2011
pulsar imp
2010 even
empty sleet
very true
uncut dirge
lol is your argument that free pheons translate into inflated gold cost for new ...
i have no idea where you pulled that out of
frail swallow
i have no idea where you pulled that out of
They are trying to make sense of the not a lot of sense that you are making right now is why
uncut dirge
They are trying to make sense of the not a lot of sense that you are making righ...
no, he's just making shit up
buoyant wagon
similarly we have no idea how you think new players getting free pheons relates to inflation being good
frail swallow
no, he's just making shit up
Right, because you are too lol
uncut dirge
???
empty sleet
Pheon bad
uncut dirge
you guys raised the issue that new players can't get pheons, therefore inflation bad
i didn't mention that at all
with gold?
???
how do you expect them to buy accessories now?
uncut dirge
that means the drops you get also sell for more?
your life skills will make you more gold
pulsar imp
inflation comes from whales and hoarders only those 2 🙂 . I seen people on reddit showing off they 20 lvl 10 dps gems in bank or hoarding literally 5,6 milion gold meanwhile their ENTIRE Roster is below 1560 ilvl
frail swallow
you guys raised the issue that new players can't get pheons, therefore inflation...
No, the point raised was that new players wouldn't be able to get anything even without pheons because they got so overpriced when inflation was at its peak in KR. We didn't really see that in NA/EU because we launched with the gold char limit
uncut dirge
your gems you sell will make more gold
the tradable leapstones you sell make more gold
fresh flint
thick pendant
Mouse keys are ON in-game but not in Windows.
How do i turn off Mouse keys? Its controlling the mouse movement by pressing the Number pad keys
uncut dirge
also ^ your shard bags you get from chaos gate sell for more gold
buoyant wagon
also new players, especially those that arent well beyond 1540+
are still mostly getting relics
frail swallow
also ^ your shard bags you get from chaos gate sell for more gold
...
pulsar imp
relics are not worth anything unless its a perfect 3/5 amulet
buoyant wagon
holy shit that 1.3k gold you get from selling 2 tradeable shard bags!
frail swallow
Aerroon go take a nap. Yeesh.
uncut dirge
if you're still 1540 you don't exactly need those expensive ancient accessories...
great, you have to pay 3k instead of 1k for the earring
fervent ibex
@frail swallow wait im kinda just like half paying attention here, what points are these 3 even making? aeeroon serenei and scalp
uncut dirge
whatever will you do
fervent ibex
gimmy the TLDR
frail swallow
<@140642421124890625> wait im kinda just like half paying attention here, what p...
Aerroon is saying "Gold inflation is good for the players"
pulsar imp
FUN FACT - u need more then 4000 bound leapstones to hone from 1560 to 1580 safely 🙂 FYI 🙂
fresh flint
FUN FACT - u need more then 4000 bound leapstones to hone from 1560 to 1580 safe...
how the fuck do you even get 4k bound
empty sleet
empty sleet
uncut dirge
<@140642421124890625> wait im kinda just like half paying attention here, what p...
i'm saying that inflation is good for players, because fixed costs like honing will be a smaller part of your gold expenditure
they're saying "nuh-uh, because pheons and something"
buoyant wagon
killing myself
pulsar imp
how the fuck do you even get 4k bound
my Bard was on 1560 since July and its December she got to 1580 tooday
lament vortex
Hello peeps
buoyant wagon
if you let inflation run unchecked in a mmo, it stops mattering
still lintel
how the fuck do you even get 4k bound
ask chaun
frail swallow
i'm saying that inflation is good for players, because fixed costs like honing w...
No. That is not what is being said...at all
buoyant wagon
flawless logic
uncut dirge
and then when i argue against pheons
they're like "lmao are you saying pheons are good for new players?!?!"
frail swallow
they're like "lmao are you saying pheons are good for new players?!?!"
Nope. Not what is being said.
buoyant wagon
inflation is good for me
fresh flint
uncut dirge
if you let inflation run unchecked in a mmo, it stops mattering
yeah
buoyant wagon
that is not the case for many players, especially new and casual players
uncut dirge
it has had unchecked inflation throughout its history
in 2008 coal was 200 gp each
in 2023 coal is 240 gp each
fervent ibex
uncut dirge
he brought up MMOs in general
pulsar imp
runescape a game from before 2000 BRUH 🙂
uncut dirge
so i compared it to pretty much the staple of an MMO that has trading
uncut dirge
runescape a game from before 2000 BRUH 🙂
so? it's like 3-4x more popular than lost ark
pulsar imp
so? it's like 3-4x more popular than lost ark
with more bots then lost ark xD
frail swallow
in 2023 coal is 240 gp each
First off, not the same thing, second...still does not support your assertion that inflation is good.
buoyant wagon
dont people bitch about inflation in runescape fairly often
fervent ibex
ehhh
uncut dirge
First off, not the same thing, second...still does not support your assertion th...
i brought up the explanation why inflation is good earlier
honing is by far your largest cost
lament vortex
dont people bitch about inflation in runescape fairly often
More so about botted gold tbh
Its worse in Runescape than LoA
uncut dirge
if you spend less of your gold income on honing then you're better off
buoyant wagon
i know RS has systems that destroy items and use a shit ton of mats
which are systems against inflation
so no it's not a completely unregulated economy
fresh flint
Why is lost ark called LoA? “Lost Online Ark”?
uncut dirge
it's the biggest part of it
fervent ibex
runescape recently just added a gold tax to their global trading system, and it just straight up removes money out of the game
buoyant wagon
runescape recently just added a gold tax to their global trading system, and it ...
it only took them 2 decades to add it
fresh flint
No wait come back help me understand
buoyant wagon
uncut dirge
gems, accessories, engraving books are all traded between players
if one player loses something another player gains it
ie these things will be neutral regardless of inflation
fervent ibex
there's like a site that tracks it too, they've removed more than like 2b gp withing the first month of its implimentation iirc
uncut dirge
yes
and it's absolutely nothing
one player can go add millions of gold into the game in an hour
new gold
lament vortex
Why is lost ark called LoA? “Lost Online Ark”?
Causa LA is used for Los Angeles most of the time
fresh flint
But why not LAO?
lament vortex
Cause game is not called Lost Ark Online?
buoyant wagon
this is some of the worst understanding of economics i have ever seen
fresh flint
It isn’t lost online ark either?
uncut dirge
this is some of the worst understanding of economics i have ever seen
try bringing up ANY points
fresh flint
What’s the o
buoyant wagon
multiple people have brought up points'
magic vector
Goodnight everyone and merry Christmas and new years soon. Remember to gift your friends and the ones close to you with gifts that will make their day better 
gold is temporary but making other people happy is a good deed and helps the world
lament vortex
Its just part of Lost
buoyant wagon
as to why unchecked inflation is a shit idea in games
magic vector
uncut dirge
because all i've heard so far against it is "new players and pheons" and that's it
everything else from you has been "omg i can't believe you said that!!!"
buoyant wagon
and most games implement controls against it
fresh flint
lament vortex
@buoyant wagon gib gold
empty sleet
Goodnight everyone and merry Christmas and new years soon. Remember to gift your...
grrrr positivity
uncut dirge
the "controls" in most games are NOWHERE NEAR the amount that is generated
fresh flint
O…Kay
uncut dirge
the reason those games dont inflate away is simply because the gold pile in circulation ahs grown so large that new gold doesn't affect prices much
pulsar imp
uncut dirge
because, again, new gold generated is a function of hours played, rather than the amount of existing gold
buoyant wagon
it's impossible to completely gold sink everything, that's obvious
but gold sinks exist for a reason
ancient tundra
Do you decorate your sh
Ye i started recently
buoyant wagon
you're only making more gold through inflation if you win the loot lottery
buoyant wagon
otherwise you are making the same amount of gold
ancient tundra
Now outside
fresh flint
I stay inside my sh 
uncut dirge
otherwise you are making the same amount of gold
gems, leapstones, weaponstones are common drops that would inflate the same
and really should be a part of how you make gold unless you swipe for it
buoyant wagon
mats that arent akkan mats dont inflate
fresh flint
I sell my destruction stones at 1580 so I never progress 
buoyant wagon
new players arent generating gems fast enough
uncut dirge
if the economy overall inflated then so would they
frail swallow
honing is by far your largest cost
As a gold sink and it has a limit, but it also doesn't kick in until higher ilvls (these days). The issue is not honing, the issue is Engraving Books, Accessories, Ability Stones and Gems. Inflation would make these spike tremendously as they had done in the past with an unchecked 18+ alt farm in Legion Raids + bussing.
It would make even getting anywhere near 5x3 require such an obscene amount of gold that it makes things as a new player just...nearly unfeasible to accomplish.
uncut dirge
yes it is
buoyant wagon
supply is so oversaturated they cant inflate
uncut dirge
of course they can
buoyant wagon
why are brel armor stones stuck at 1g forever
uncut dirge
the reason you don't see this inflation is because of minimum pricing and taxes
when the price is 1 gold
buoyant wagon
and akkan like the same since release
uncut dirge
if there's 20% inflation
the game doesn't support 1.2 gold as a price
so of course you dont see this inflation
but when akkan leaps spiked to 160g then brel leaps went to 32g as you would expect
buoyant wagon
or because the market has way more than people need
so they sit at worthlessness
did you know why brel leaps went up
because demand spiked due to souleater
not because of natural inflation
uncut dirge
???
buoyant wagon
demand spiked, supply has been decreasing as people honed to 1580+ and cant farm them anymore
uncut dirge
do you guys even play the game?
buoyant wagon
therefore prices went up
uncut dirge
the reason brel leaps go up is because you can trade brel leaps for akkan leaps
jesus
the materials are tied together like that
today you learned
lament vortex
Nobody transfers brel to akkan leaps
lament vortex
That are tradable
keen copper
this dude is not real
uncut dirge
Nobody transfers brel to akkan leaps
???
you want to buy akkan leapstones to hone
the leapstones are 160g each
buoyant wagon
brel leaps are still sufficiently in demand by sub 1580 characters
uncut dirge
brel leapstones are 30g each
buoyant wagon
that nobody is doing that shit
uncut dirge
obviously you buy brel leapstones and transfer
you'd have to be mathematically challenged not to
fresh flint
I don’t even know what Brel leaps are…
buoyant wagon
i mean, to an extent
uncut dirge
5x 30g = 150g vs 1x 160g
fresh flint
From the legion mat trade in vendor?
frail swallow
you'd have to be mathematically challenged not to
What is 30 x 5?
buoyant wagon
he's right in that the 5:1 tradeup will always regulate the previous mat tier to be 1/5 of the new mats at the minimum
ancient tundra
From the legion mat trade in vendor?
Essential honning merch nop
frail swallow
which is less than 160
NAE they are 140-150g atm
uncut dirge
the fact that this wasn't an "of course" moment for you says a lot
ancient tundra
NAE they are 140-150g atm
Close to eu tbh
frail swallow
the fact that this wasn't an "of course" moment for you says a lot
No, because it isn't one.
buoyant wagon
but brel leaps spiking beyond 1/5 of akkan mat value is due to new class release
fresh flint
Yeah I know what they are I just didn’t know if we were talking about trading in mats you get from Brel or not. This convo is hard to follow 
wintry depot
eu are 140 atm but usually they are around 152
still lintel
eu dropped to 140?
still lintel
someone is progging voldike on tuesday
reprog tomorrow 
uncut dirge
okay, i'll try one more time
You can trade 5 brel leapstones for 1 akkan leapstone.
If akkan leapstones are 160g each and brel leapstones are 30g each, then instead of buying 100 akkan leapstones for 16k, you would buy 500 brel leapstones for 15k, transfer them to 100 akkan leapstones and save yourself 1k gold.
the honing materials are all linked
fresh flint
Seems like a waste of time
frail swallow
okay, i'll try one more time
You can trade 5 brel leapstones for 1 akkan leapsto...
We just established that they aren't 160g anyway so...
uncut dirge
what limits their prices from changing is the minimum 1g tax and the fact that you can't sell for fractions of gold
buoyant wagon
you are forgetting there are other factors that affect pricing beyond the 5:1 tradeup
supply, demand, convenience for example
frail swallow
There may be periods in time where akkan leaps are more expensive, but that is not always the case
buoyant wagon
weapon stones are a good example
uncut dirge
but ultimately it makes the mats relatively new players at 1540 generate also somewhat valuable
uncut dirge
on EU right now akkan are 20g, brel is 4g
buoyant wagon
why? because people are not honing weapons
uncut dirge
anyway the problem with having gold sinks is that the economy needs to be balanced constantly
buoyant wagon
because it's more convenient
uncut dirge
and that means you will forever get these new systems that eat gold
because if smilegate ever stops inflation is gonna be through the roof
buoyant wagon
??????????????
uncut dirge
since there's no giant pool of gold that's sloshing around the market like in most other games
supple parrot
less time this week
frail swallow
because if smilegate ever stops inflation is gonna be through the roof
But I thought inflation was good?
uncut dirge
because when people stop honing/making elixirs/quality etc then their net gold for the week won't be: +100k -90k, but instead it will be +100k, -20k
dim lark
sh is 1585 ... sorc is 1611
uncut dirge
But I thought inflation was good?
over a long period of time yes, if it builds up into a large pool of gold in trading
but the short bursts of inflation we get just mess with pricing since it starts adding a lot more gold into circulation