#lost-ark-discussions
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some days i wait 15 min
Imagine waiting for guardians 
I have a whole roster at 1580 and people expect every single one to be geared like a main
Mine at the same tho, I have 3 extra 8s and a single 9 I made the other day 
some days i get in instantly cuz no dps competition
And yes , about los … do card runs 15+ per week

And you will get lost 30 fast if you are lucky
thats the life of being near top ilvl

i legit do every run i can xd
ppl complaining about cheapos while im doing the exact same raids as them with half the roster xp no gold spent on gems and los 18 
Why not matchmaking? Or is it too much of a gamble
Rly curious to see your lobby members
ur not tho, ur not 1620 
my ivory prog was 3 mayhem shadows all roster 220+
take too long to mm
Very strong people


too much of a gamble
Oh you have friends
no?
Nice
it was pug lol
high chance to fail if ppl dont want to pot
i literally said earlier i pugged my prog dumbass
Our rosters probably look very similar. Tho I'm a horizontal enjoyer so Ive got a solid roster lvl. Makes me laugh that people think that makes me good when Im a very casual raider
i literally have 1600 1580 1560 1550 and thats it
i barely play the game yet i do the same content


Tbh if ur not 250 roster ur a casual
Bruh Mizu I’m in the hell discord , I did hell content much time ago and I saw you were proving hell Kakul with some people
Chill now
You weren’t pugging you have hell friends ,chill your tits now
only reason i get gatekept is if im on igniter
i literally did g1 with a group, left them did g2 with diff group, left them did g3 with diff group, left them did g4 with diff group
stupid playerbase
finna finish story tmr and prog ivory
yo
It’s gonna be so ez
Mizu carry me in Hell mode
I want cool titles too
how much gold do legendary elixirs cost?
I mean 250 is still casual. I’m over 260 and I’m casual

I saw you sharing screen on hell content a lot times
yeah?
During hell Kakul
lil bro gtfp
gtfo
You weren’t pugging
i havent played with every mayhem shadow on nae
Don’t be mean lil bro
chuan
If ur casual then 90% of the players havnt installed the game 
idk why its so hard to believe ido the exact same content as you

with half the stuff put into my chars
If u buy frags? Not sure current price. Last time I sold them it was like 20k+ for 25. And u need 75 to make one. So like 65k?
I believe , what I don’t believe is other stuff
People need to justify the effort theyve put in to build their chars 
no i mean

to hone an elixir
u know what i mean
Not much
few k gold?
to upgrade it
like 2k ish?
Like 5k 
or more
can someone plz carry me on 1 cali
Prob more like 5
i need the leaps but i have no engravings on him
It’s like 260 or something per click
I got you. Just need to wait a casual 3 hours for meto be home from work 
And u click like 18 times or something?
ok no prob ty
sooo 3900?
And u gotta craft the catalysts
I need clown brel on nae 
well got 500 of those
If you do actually need a quick carry later on, @ me and ill help
from getting 1620
true
buy my clown dps carry next week
so close D:
ur able to basically afk in it
im roster 171 and love being a casual
Ugh how did u get 3900 from 260x18. That’s almost 5k sir
with good mechs i skip maze and m3
wait
on my se
I could be wrong about number tho
there are 18 tries
Dps carry = jailge angle
in legendary?

Forgot. Think it was around 18
i think once people still havent completed their elixir after 16 weeks while all their static complete they will start quitting

ill carry u if u pay me 3k for clown and 10k for 1-4 brel
Yes. I block ppl who do that
yeah?
pog corpa
and im so poor too
thinking about buying some g4 busses for brel pet lol
most ppl do that
just clear it
cuz most ppl suc
its easy asf now lmfao
and u realize party cant clear g4 hm
i don't like g4 tbh
I’m 1571 I can pug that shit but just gotta deal with shitty last day pugs 
there are only g1-g4 lonbys atm
no one does g4 hm buses bruh

Ive never done Brel G4 either
But I also want pet
one man roster
im not a shitty pug
True causa
u can can count on me


U still got run ur main 6 raids 
girl
@urban obsidian watching new EP while eating pizza and solo I'm VR
look at this shit
Selling elixir frags made me like 150k+ gold this week

i mean this is why u dont mm cali eithr u pf or dispatch
Think 1-3 brel is faster
Than Kaya? About the same

thats what happens when you dare to have other commitments than lost ark
Then join reclear a
well
Might be doable
I just gotta prog once 
fuck around and find out @quartz turret
they should change the rates for 10k gold cuz this is outdated af now 10k isnt even a lot
Prog on ur bard. Or go blue gl
Honestly anyone still progging
After chrimas
It’s ducking Christmas too 
i leftr

dumbass mokokos
dying in first minute of the guardian
Sorc is so good in g2. I’m popping 20 mil dps 
bruh i have level 7 gems and 5x3 wym
I can land like 4 or 5 dd in one ignite
i need carry on my arti
I mean, i get banned for way less things , why isn’t this guy already banned 
Maybe warn for cheapo. No call at the start and no Items used in the mech
then who knows
i would warn a siens successor aswell
i used flare lol
I got banned for saying that los 30 is a requirement for voldis HM back in the day
Every time I ignite. 20 bars disappears 
huh

We threw one trap and instant got it to 95 
Nm hp so low
lmao

I mean to be fair. Someone in our prog didn’t have los 30 for hm. But me and Lin did all the dmg
Don’t say it out loud or you will get stoned from all the people here that never done single card run ever cuz “boring” but still 230+ roster
And los 18 ofc
Tbh no los 30 u would gatekept from any hm groups unless ur friends 
i was roster 195 till last week
@swift lava
then i started going voldis and pleccias and now im like 200
To be fair when ever I make a pug lobby. I’m not taking anyone without los30. Even for nm
hahaha

same
You get a shit tonne of roster xp from MSQ
cali is so fucked. i can't even do this shit
Toxic gatekeepers 
roster doesnt mean shit
It doesn't, but have it over with is nice
Should I gatekeep los 18 for cali 
i got 1620 and 3 1600 id say above average
Cali is pretty fucked
and my roster only 200
gatekeep people without class engravings first tbh
Ur gonna get garekept on Monday
i just kt everything
literally this is why i stopped doing lower guardians

Ken has better roster than 98% of people here gg
but i need the fucking leaps i can't hone

How is possible only 200 roster , are you the lvl 11 skills enjoyer
nah I’ll be done with prog in no time
Cuz adventure tome “boring”?
Idk who would still be progging after Christmas
no i have purple wealth and everythign

420 sp
Wrong Ken. @steel minnow Probably hasnt been playing since launch
Tons of people will be progging
day1

ppl with legendary gear still...
but
200 roster is low for all he got

ppl that went to have holiday plans
u gotta take into acount
Ah well, doing zero horizontal and being 200 still maths out
Show alt + L sir
if u take in all the breaks and vacations
got two js server ppl in here
i lost like 3 months worth of playtime
They would’ve done it on wed 
so that explains alot
Like quokka
was homeless for a month around april last year. beyond that.
Explain you whaled?
they might not be free until after Christmas
no i only spent like 2.4k euro or something
wha, where?
Not bad

Another arti main 
I'm a bit into 2k AUD
Arty after BP goes brrrr
i cant wait
after BP?
balance pathc
oh
They got a taste of that 6 second rotation
Arti nerfed 
yeah
Now they want it
shield and meter changes is fucking great
My arti got 4x 4-1 and 1x 4-2 purple elixir from 6 cuts. I’m not cutting any more elixir on him 
That's gg
Oh wait no. That was on my destroyer
Arti only 1 4/2 I think
My destroyer has better elixir than my main
Who has legos
The arcanist in my static has 40 set
Kinda fucked
How is this possible
I got all trash on my main

I can finna throw bombs in wheelchair
He omega gaps me now
Whaled
Nope
Yes
Free elixir
Shore
He got 40 with free elixirs , shore
Did they also use hm ones?
Bruh open eyes , don’t trust what he says kekw
He's also just too broke to buy 50k per elixir
He whaled
You can see his craft amount
Dude it literally happens, the one rare person having crazy good luck is what keeps people hoping it will happen to them
who has 40??
Like those that strike it lucky with the lottery
My static member
and commander still out dpses him xdd
That’a omega luck
Snark is the biggest dickhead in this server
Jesus Christ
Yeh LMAO
True
Glaive is so balanced
I have sweaty ass guildies who have 35+ almost 40. A lucky person could hit 40 np
So is taking buses and getting 100k accessories every week

Getting set is easier with legendary elixirs if you play the minigame well.
I think my highest elixirs are 24 set on epic 
knowing all the tricks and what NOT to touch given the translation fuckups
you're soft-capped at 30 or so with purples.
It's like trying to get 9/7 with legendary stones.
I'm on m yphoje
its ok u have a million gold
I can't
Still not worth it
This is a 1600 alt so she won’t be getting legendary elixirs anytime soon 
I am elixir cutting god now. Should’ve cut my main last tbh 
chaun help me make 5 5
Wouldn't have changed a thing because you miss everything on main anyway
@dull obsidian did i pug my ivory prog yes or no
60k 93% of my bank
At least I hit my 22 weapon this week 
Oh gg
He is truly too unlucky

ishy that artist in our hakkan
he tapped 20-25 wep in like 20 taps


@sand marsh
Elixir minigame is fine, until you get shit like this
That’s why u gotta save reroll 
that happened to a guild mate
Happened to me
they got 4/4 and it did that
@obtuse oyster
its ok ur gonna get rid of stagger and get double in ally enhancment
so how many of you skipped this cursed stuff?
what is this?
i think im guilty
What’s this?

I have never watched a full cut scene in this game
i thin some voldis thing
Voldis MSQ, mind palace test to become a sage
In any scenario
i did 3 and would kms if i did 4
i didn't but it didn't make any sense that our character had any guilt ever

why does my aeor never get fate embers bro 
why tf we have guilt over random ass npcs
Hundreds of people died because we failed to save them so to speak
we even had guilt over npcs ARMEN fucked up saving
Mine got a 1500 gold coin after not getting an ember for a month 
ok but mine is 1600 
Xmas Spirit pitied her
blame the sidereal with superpowers not the random guy with a sword
i need honing item embers 
they be the one not moving their ass fast enough
Downside of writing a "you are the main character" story then expecting people who skip everything to have empathy
Mines 1550 
Leap dn
Granted, Lostwindcliff is 100% that dumbass lord daughter's actions
it's different. the guilt here was about failing to save people, not killing people. Otherwise we'd have seen the brainwashed SV dark knights, the innocent people being contaminated by akkan we had to put down
Im doing a side quest in Spiderman 2 for the third time and i still teared up ONG
"The inquisition is here, Quick, let me tell everyone to run to these dangerous cliffs!"
It was a bunch of people killed by Sacria priests during MSQ
Sacria causing problems from Day 1
Seria + kid from LWC.
Tula and Tarunians lol.
It wasn't armens fault lmao
Yeah, but the game is expecting you to have empathy tho.
how many event tokens does the island give?
have you read the bible?
66 page slides
it would've been more fitting to see the kid that got turned into a monster by akkan during the pre akkan quest
Sacrians killed innocent people on suspicion
on how to cut stone
Armens existence brought Sacria to the area to begin with
Because he went demon mode and Sacia came to exterminate.
Its alwasy Armens faukt
ok maybe he panicked but leading people to a random cliff with no way out is probably not the greatest idea
he had
How many leaps yall think I need to hone 6 times at 1530 
Without Armen Arkesia goes poof uwu
armen did the same thing though
also also armen probably knew who those inquisitors were
especially with pleccia's backstory, he had to fucking know
See Osphere -> In terms of being tortured and basically story equivalent of conversion therapy
Osphere got brainwashed when he went back to get answers
osphere being allowed to go back was so stupid
"good sacrian? nah drop him."
"yo, i'm an enemy agent, bt i'm totally on your side"
But yeah he shouldn't have
Osphere was brainwashed asf
osphere was fucking stupid
Historical thing tho
Near the end
Yeah you even find out the basement they did it
See -> Colonial history I shit you not
also the fact that we were asked about it
and our character was like "sure lmao just go back"
what the hell was that
100% has to do with shitty translations.
now if he had to kill osphere right then and there
"oh the evil church? yeah dw nothing will happen to you"
that would've been something to maybe feel guilty about later
Shit translation = Shit dialouge = shit voicework = crappy delivery with no nuance

Yep
Bro becomes one of the most hated chars in few mins
Record

And that's all on Osphere
the story starts with them already being together
Yep
IF I HAD A NICKES FOR EVERYTIME SACRIA KILLED PEOPLE NEAR CLIFFS. I'D HAVE THREE NICKELS
the implication there is that maybe they've been working together all this while
what the hell do i do here?
but i just can't imagine the writers were sophisticated enough for that
Sacria and cliffs
We can only pray Armens adoptive dad is not a pos ong
Mfs love that shit
Like the Sacrian Prunia at Light of Destiny
most trustworthy looking fella (snake eyed dude)

@supple parrot
Sacrian Prunia is a Good-ish person
hey
at least, they're morally grey
She wanted to hear out everything
sometimes they kidnap children to put into their cathedrals instead, you know?
The other guy wanted to rush a judgement
Id go right
we should've killed jederico then and there
Twilight Order, that's why
It’s a gamble but it’s better than the other ones
Jederico is the only good Sacrian stm
the way the entire continent started and our past interactions with sacria
Atm**
they should've just been kill on sight
Frfr

and this jederico trying to talk shit would've just been squashed
it doesn't matter if it's "twilight order"
Bro was shocked when he saw Armen having Lupeons divine power
"church... bad? omg, who could've foreseen this!" x8
jederico should've been dead before he manages to say "wait i'm a good guy"
Twilight Order are actively trying to prevent the events of Kurzan from happening
arkesia could use some Doom Slayer
Didn't the Twilight Order Archpriest say he wants the Ark to be used
If anyone has watched Dr Who, Twilight Order is essentially The Silence.
let Kazeros rule until this Regulus dude does something 
That's literally Varkan xdd
He wants to reset Arkesia
Yeah by killing everyone and everything in it
the church went to war with the sylvains
guys this is a jokee
they stole the ark from the sylvains
Varkan wants same goal as Lauriel, just the slow and painful version
Yeah
and then the sylvains btfo'd them anyway i think?
Nope
lauriel got what he wanted though
Sylvains lost
lauriel found the one way to set lazeniths free
Everyone lost to Sacria.
Sacria killed the giants to get Ortuus.
They got all the arks, even Kayangel.
and that was to turn himself into the villain
That's why i find the Voldis dudes hypocrites
Vairgrys and all the guardians burnt down Sacria before they could figure out why the Ark wasnt working
They started a war and they paid the price for it
i see
dumb guardians

you only get one guardian will per day now ?
Different Ivory Tower.
TL;DR The sages disagreed with what Sacria did and schism'd off from the group
yes, only one guardian kill
ok
Voldis is entirely different entity from Sacria Ivory Tower.

the quest was omega long
Yeah but Magena was pissy about it
Light of Destiny is part 2 to Voldis and Pleccia
^
Preteria/Pritoria is the old Ivory Tower.
i like that area
Light of Destiny you get to make out with Armen om
rip
Exhibitionist level
did they have any info on when we're actually getting it on the roadmap
i just glossed over it 
more anikka forest, more voldis rainforest, more rowen forest
March
First week of March
ah ok
No
Rowen dev work got interrupted by studio issues at the time, which is why its unfinished
there was that one part about shushire dynasty and how it fell because of that guardian
I did it on Sylvain and Delain
and since slayer was the shushire princess
that's mentioned on a warrior class
I didn't notice if Delain get unique dialogue tho
all warriors get that dialogue
My Sorc did tho 
"a sylvain sage" something something
It's in the scene over the giant painting
also i crashed to desktop on event island
Coping that male mage is a Tower of Waning Moon member.
Chaos Mage
IM SO CLOSEEEEE
gl
tap it.
whats a good bracelet bonus ?
Cocka Mage
how many elixirs can we put on gear?
yessssssssssssss
4?
class dependant
holy...
DI SH
what class is that? soul eater?
artilerist
i see
Still toxic that we have to wait till march for LoD
didn't know artillerist used dexterity
well with new update i will need all the speciality i can get
They should hire me instead of Zoomin Park 
idk, community guides probably will tell you about it. In general ur main stats, fervor, superiority
bro u play with what u get
no i mean
ok ty
Release for us balance today
i didn't know artillerist's main stat was dex
Ty ly bro
damn
Im gonna release the Thaemine revealing outfit KR got instead
First week of March is the silver lining
how the fuck
that's good tho it's like 1.2% dmg
Deal
this elixir is so good for me rn
Imagine doing both Thaemine and LoD on the same day ong

Thaemine requires Light of Destiny and Omen quest to be done first
@steel minnow did you follow the elixir tips or you just let jesus take the wheel?
they cant release Thaemine at same time
If I was in charge the game would actually be balanced
waht tips
damn
i just yolo
thats crazy
Omen? 
what tips
What's omen quest
??
South Vern style story that's the prequest to Thaemine
tell me wrekkk
I meant
66 pages
Yeah, its going to be the case 
That Shandi cutscene, cant wait for it
Why is cutting elixirs made so complicated, for real.
i cant wait for all the thaemine prequest super tense dialogue shit w
except with the shitty en va

Literally spells out story to dentedge people but everyone will still skip it
yay i love not getting a single hone off 6 characters rested 
imma just yolo

i know how to cut them allready
dog shit game
@burnt tree
who can run this why is this between 2k and 5k in market ?
Kinda funny, everyone fighting for the arcs because Regulus is a piece of shit doing nothing

Gt destoryer. It ain’t gonna sell tho
Cuz no one plays that
i finally looted a meta necklace this week
ok thanks

I remember you telling me I should switch to gt now nobody plays it 
rngjesus
KLC want it as Kazeros wants to usurp Regulus.
Sacria fought for it because their pope wanted immortality.
Haals wanted it because they saw Regulus as a hypocrite.
Regulus created the Ark because they didn't trust theirself with the power.
can i change the skill trees for free or i need to pay gold and how much?
Far right one is always the play ngl
thats CRAZY MAN

It's a mess
Who got some old leaps I can have 
"theirself"?

you mean regulus didn't trust himself?
ur sol then 
Obscure non-descript person. Not sorry for using "they" since Regulus is so obscure af.
It was good for the older raids cuz u can just face tank everything
bruh

yes, but it makes your sentence very ambiguous
What
Bruh
Omg no way
i could read it as regulus making the arks because he didn't trust somebody else with the power
Cool
so he made the dragonball system
or maybe he didn't trust himself with the power so he put it into the dragonballs
Congrats
TL;DR Downside of being obsessed with order is the need to constantly adjust and "correct" things is in itself chaotic. Then you do nothing to let things "run its course" and then no intervening leads to shit unravelling. End up coming across as some kind of cosmic anxiety/ASD
also if it's nondescript thing we call it and it
"My Darkness is Touching its Light, so I'm now inventing volcanoes"

Literally what happened to the Haals.
Yall talking about lore or something
"You did something bad, now volcanoes are a thing"

i'd argue any 5/5 is fucking strong no matter what because of how it lets you get to 40 easier
Yeah, how absolutely
Regulus is
I know nothing about it tbh lol
they invented the cube and saw too many possibilities, did something that got their entire race wiped out by gods, i think thats the accurate lore
Even tho I did the story multiple times I wasn’t really paying attention
Thinking about it, how do we now Arkesia (Earth) is the only planet besides Petrania (other dimension) to have creatures in it?



it seems like the cube lets them travel out of the reach of the gods though
And what was left behind? All the lands Haals inhabited are now major volcanoes.
Lost ark aliens
maybe they just cubed themselves somewhere sle
like we see that guy in the cube island
asking if he's in world of warcraft
there is an endless amount of other universes thous making it a multiverse
Dwemer scenario in Elder Scrolls.
mega dented, definitely sets the path that we'll eventually go fuck him up post kazeros tho lol
Petrania is more like a dimension/plane within the same universe.
but we will never hear about them cuz i doubt they wanna go abyss level deep into lore and create more and more
They could though
there's a third party of the eldritch abominations (clown/ezrebeth)
Like Oblivion planes in TES that operate and double as celestial bodies
Wanna know the story of clown
look
so we know there's at least 3 dimensions
every planet is surrounded by crystal spheres okay
populated ones i mean
and the gods only hold power over what's inside a crystal sphere
oh yeah and the gods i guess
sure they could but thats up to them 
so four
dw hm clown this year and we get more saydon story
hopefully more ezrebet lore cuz she a baddie
clown is gonna be our sidereal
Ezrebet?
against regulus
she's an ancient one too
that'd be goated
She's a primordial, sent to gather information on Arkesia before major plot happens.
oops
When we getting hm clown
Still need to do the quest lol
when clown feels like it bro...
Think its a joke
no
Idk anything about Korean version so lol
hard mode clown: the entire fight happens in the mario world
Wonder why they skipped hm for this raid
nm was already balls to the wall
probably wasn't fun
nm was already stupidly hard
and they wanted to start Tier 4 with brelshaza
so they didn't want to increase ilvl further
and lore wise hes like "training" us
Yea but now most ppl can easily clear it. Would be fun to try a new one
like brel raid
so no hm really needed lore wise
And then decided not to do T4 with brel
was almost certainly gonna be 3 different raids
HM clown will just be NM but you can't skip his mechs anymore 
So we never getting t4?
.
Imagine how mad everyone would be if we had to start over 
gate 1 and 2 would be like one raid or something
a hard reset now would kill the game
moneys
At that point just make lost ark 2
gate 3 and 4 would be another raid with some additional?
For sure

you hate to see it
finally get to use my consumables

Can’t kill what’s already dead 
Tier 1-3 was only ONE hard reset and it was to split an existing grind that was ridiculous
give us tier 4 gems, but you can combine tier 3 gems to turn them into tier 4s or something
level 10s turn into like tier 4 level 8s
And select if it’s damage or cd
and make them give additional bonuses
Tier 1-3 all used the same materials and honing in Feiton was massively bloated.
Cause that’s too much of a gamble lol
or just allow tier 3 gems to work
but tier 4 gems start at like
level 5 is 21% dmg
level 7 is like 40% dmg
i'd rather not have to start over gems again
level 10 will be like 50-55% dmg
but tier 3 gems still work
more dmgcreep, surely
well
Same lol but they could change values
they couldj ust release new raids while keeping the same requirements
you can just uset hat to give new bosses at tier 4 more hp or whatever

Tier 3 could be convertable upwards to Tier 4.
5 -> 3
7 -> 5
9 -> 7
10s -> 8.
but converting makes them bound but still combinable.
they can't
the reason they can't is because smilegate balances inflation
People would bum rush them day 1
every other MMO lets inflation run wild
so after like 6 months to a year there's so much gold in circulation that inflation becomes irrelevant
Imagine being gatekept cause you didn’t whale to t4 first day 
but smilegate has always balanced it, so tht inflation doesn't get too high
and the biggest usage of gold is honing
so if people stop honing they need to come up with some new gold sink or their house of cards falls apart
that's why they're coming up with new systems every 2 weeks

Tier 4 would have to give you a jump from earlier on.
eg. Kurzan 1560 would jump you to Tier 4, bypassing a lot of upper T3
but that would piss off SOOOOO many Koreans and NA playerrs

well one thing they could do is just have the whales be maxed out for new system from the old one
immediately
Ye, EU wouldn't be pissed.
and then just creep up on them with the update after that
NAs would be the loudest and KR would literally set fire to inven.
EU would just stop playing and enjoy their healthcare.
@queen grail 
Why would NA be mad? Not like they swiped legit for their gold anyways 

EU healthcare sucks
some countries are good others are bad
Because people's epeen got reset so they no longer have some arbitrary number to feel superior over.
i ended up with 12k gold after cutting 5 of them
hit me up for brel bus

Lmao
It was mostly a joke.
Chuan
youd have to walk me thru g2/g3 tho
ive only done g1
current
You can use elixir from 1610 or 1620?
i did a couple 2 man 1-2s when it was still 1-6
aight gg
1600 purple / 1620 gold
but i havent done the others 
g2 is basically waiting for wei
for both staggers unless you have like 3-4 people and one of them is a stagger bot
then you only wait for one of the weis
the stars part is kinda complicated
also somebody has to pick the correct colors in the middle
just let the experience ppl do it
ye
gate 3 you reset at the start until the first mech isn't red
and then for th enext mechs
happened so many times and someone had passengers stop them from restarting
dw i have the strats 
Oh hey its that nerd
if you're not red before a color change into a wipe mech, you hold off 5 bars extra from it and then blast during one boss ability (with nineveh)
oh man alb
eg you know how at 135 bars there's a color change?
and at 120 bars there's a wipe mech?
if at 140 bars you are red then you just keep blasting as normal
but if you're not on red then you hold at around 138-139 bars
and then during a long pattern you blast to 120 bars to immediately trigger wipe mech before color change
Or just skip g3 bus and bus 1-2 for about the same amount 
Because g1-2 2c6 gives more than 3c5 and 4c4 g1-3
i bought a bus for brel on my deathblade last week
they did 2c6









