lost-ark-discussions

[lament vortex]

[empty sleet]

this why i avoid reclears

unless its valtan pretty much

[lament vortex]

Correct by me

[empty sleet]

only raid i properly know lol

[cedar zealot]

Looks cool

[cobalt hazel]

i dont care if people make a mistake for a mech, i care if they clearly cant play the class/raid

like 0 up time supports

[buoyant wagon]

[cedar zealot]

Like it's possible

To do a raid

Titled reclear

And have someone similarly geared to you

Do half your dmg

[buoyant wagon]

I just laugh in discord about that

[cedar zealot]

Which is fine if you clear

[buoyant wagon]

[cedar zealot]

But if you don't, and run is taking too long

[mortal burrow]

o @empty sleet you still need to do brel 1-2?

[cedar zealot]

And you're short on time

Can get frustrating

[empty sleet]

only brel i have left is my pally

cant do my artist because what are engravings

[buoyant wagon]

rub is taking too long

Wrekk when the happy ending isn’t going as planned

[cobalt hazel]

when you check the bible and the person playing (insert fotm class like pinnacle glaivier) is doing zdps

[cedar zealot]

Excuse the typo

[buoyant wagon]

Zdps by itself is bad but even more offensive if they can’t do mechs

That’s when you should get called out

[ancient tundra]

Or supports that die at early stage of the raid

[empty sleet]

cant wait to get flamed by people because i do my rotation but dont crit on my striker

from people that have tools like you

[cobalt hazel]

nah, people with tools can see your crit rate

[buoyant wagon]

People don’t flame your dps for not critting

[cobalt hazel]

for specific skills too

no one gets flamed for non-crits

[empty sleet]

i either do 9 mill or 35 mill

[buoyant wagon]

People flame you when you do less than 50% of what you should be doing for your gear in that raid

[empty sleet]

i think thats the range

[cobalt hazel]

especially when surge either deals 50mil white number, or 350mil yellow number

[buoyant wagon]

That’s single instance damage, not average dps over time

[cobalt hazel]

but at a 50/50 rate

[buoyant wagon]

In a 5-10 min encounter it averages out

[empty sleet]

thats 1/2 of my hardest hitting skills lol

if my other one dont crit either its game over

[buoyant wagon]

People won’t bat an eye if you do 6m when you should be doing 8m

[cobalt hazel]

you realise youre talking to deathblade players right?

no ones flaming for crit rng

[rugged lynx]

who ever is on NAW im making a gs rn raid with me

[buoyant wagon]

People will notice if you’re doing like 4m when you should do 8m

[true tartan]

If your striker isnt critting, i think you're playing the class wrong

[empty sleet]

fym lol

[cobalt hazel]

doesnt striker have like, 80%+ crit rate

[rugged lynx]

rare nova appearance

[lime dove]

I just want 3 gate Brel

[buoyant wagon]

Yeah striker crit rate is decently high

[true tartan]

Hello linair

[buoyant wagon]

Db crit rate is the smoge one

[empty sleet]

i do the rotation like im supposed to but dont get crit

[mortal burrow]

relatable...

[cobalt hazel]

"65% crit rate" mfers when surge shows up at 50% crit rate for some reason in a 7+ minute fight

[mortal burrow]

on my db i was doing a trixion, my surge didnt crit 6 times in a row

[true tartan]

i mean, it happens, but no way you are not doing damage due to not critting

[buoyant wagon]

Word

[true tartan]

Because like what serenade and qsy said, it averages out

[empty sleet]

moon flash or kick, lightning, LTS, do whatever i didnt use and another skill to get my other orbs and TE before lightning ends

dont crit

[buoyant wagon]

But going back to the previous point

[cobalt hazel]

theres a massive difference between "bad crit rng" and "bad hands"

in terms of dps

[buoyant wagon]

Bad crit rng will not tank your dps to the point where it’s extremely concerning and liable to get you flamed

If you are playing correctly otherwise

[empty sleet]

• lightning + adren

[cobalt hazel]

+back attack

[empty sleet]

back attack gives crit?

[cobalt hazel]

10%

[buoyant wagon]

10%

[true tartan]

[cobalt hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/riddler-paul-dano-new-rockstars-does-he-know-gif-26833694

[winged axle]

[empty sleet]

oh and armour bonus

[cobalt hazel]

youre easily 80%+ on striker

well, armour bonus is shown there

[buoyant wagon]

[mortal burrow]

wait i dont think lightning shwos in crit rate window

or does it ?

[empty sleet]

wait yeah how the fuck am i not critting as much as i am

[cedar zealot]

Is that genderbent Dan IL

[true tartan]

it doesnt, lightning is a debuff

[cobalt hazel]

entropy bonus is shown on stat sheet

[buoyant wagon]

You are critting

You just don’t pay attention to crits

[cobalt hazel]

youre critting much more often than a surge does

[buoyant wagon]

But pay attention to white numbers

[winged axle]

no ark knights unit

[cedar zealot]

When is kr getting entropy rework

[winged axle]

[lime dove]

when is kr buffing reaper

or reowrk

[cedar zealot]

Why do I feel like I asked this before

[cobalt hazel]

thats ling

[winged axle]

you have not

[empty sleet]

hmm

[cedar zealot]

Nobody cares about reaper

[cobalt hazel]

if youre talking about the profile banner

wait no

dusk

[winged axle]

i am new in this server

[cedar zealot]

How do you know

[winged axle]

[empty sleet]

with engrave support does it give me the proper combat stats if i swapped to eso

[cobalt hazel]

ling is the drunk one

[empty sleet]

[buoyant wagon]

Like for example

A 1600 db doing 7m in a 30s encounter might make sense due to bad crit rng

[cobalt hazel]

because im playing arknights rn

[buoyant wagon]

In 10 minutes that’s a problem

[cedar zealot]

Damn, bros whaling on multiple games

[cobalt hazel]

not like i have max pot on all the limited characters in arknights

oh wait, i do

[cedar zealot]

[mortal burrow]

you know what i just found out tho,

latale is a mobile game now, wtf

[cobalt hazel]

i dont whale in lost ark though

other than for skins

[cedar zealot]

Life is like a simulation?

[cobalt hazel]

because imagine whaling for gear progression

[winged axle]

real

[cobalt hazel]

my main isnt even 1590 yet

[mortal burrow]

yep, testing my limits in schol

[winged axle]

never swipe in lost art

[cobalt hazel]

got akkan weapon today on soulfist, its only on +16 right now

[cedar zealot]

We had a striker today with 20 akkan wep

Was pumping

Eso

[cobalt hazel]

2 tapped +13, 1 tapped +14, ~5 tapped +15, 2 tapped +16

[mortal burrow]

5 spender?

[cobalt hazel]

but now im at 50% on +17

[mortal burrow]

or i mean full spec eso?

[cedar zealot]

No idea, don't know much about them

[mortal burrow]

was he full spec/crit or did he have swift?

[empty sleet]

5 spender seems like a lot of work lol

[cedar zealot]

Think there was swift

Can't remember 👴

[mortal burrow]

apparently its more fun than death blow tho

and faster

[cedar zealot]

Does a lot of dmg too

[cobalt hazel]

why wouldnt it be more fun than deathblow

deathblow is slow af

[cedar zealot]

Deathblow probably the most unfun entropy build

Besides maybe GT destro in akkan

[cobalt hazel]

idk, 4 spender entropy eso wd sounds kinda unfun

even if it pumps

[empty sleet]

well thats not hard

[winged axle]

they are removing entropy so future could be good

[cedar zealot]

Hopefully next month

[empty sleet]

coming from someone who has been playing DB since this shit came out i can confirm a lot of things are a lot more fun lol

[cobalt hazel]

throwback to when streamers were peddling deathblow like it was the next big thing

[quartz turret]

eso is fun

[cedar zealot]

Who even started that

[cobalt hazel]

and all the streamer viewer meta chasers built deathblow striker

[empty sleet]

my 1315 glaiver or something was more fun than my main or whatever she was

[cedar zealot]

I think it was Benji losing to mintror in brel

[cobalt hazel]

idk, i dont watch streamers

i think it was around the time atk made a striker interview vid with mint

[nova garden]

xdd

[quartz turret]

5 spender is full spec, 4 spender can build swift

[cedar zealot]

Her sup basically swapped tripods mid raid that gave her db striker more dmg than it did to destro

[cobalt hazel]

and also that other guy, kanima or something i think

[cedar zealot]

Shit was wack

[mortal burrow]

kanima? the scouter main o-o?

[cobalt hazel]

bro i dont know their names

[dawn ridge]

it's always slayers

[cobalt hazel]

i dont watch "content creators"

[empty sleet]

i just remember seeing a 500m crit from a DB in monkey at some point, it was much later after i made my character though before someone calls me a meta chaser lol

[cedar zealot]

It was a bunch of KR streamers that were hyping up strikers, now we know the truth

KR doesn't believe in the bible

[obtuse oyster]

@urban obsidian when you?

[cedar zealot]

Hence they don't know much about class balance

[empty sleet]

they dont wanna break TOS lol

[cobalt hazel]

KR only has a very slight semblence of how broken some classes are because of bible being banned

[cedar zealot]

5x3+2 on a zdps class

[cobalt hazel]

at least they know the current broken ones

but back then it was the wild west

[obtuse oyster]

he was upright in g2 akkan

[cobalt hazel]

with people hyping up striker and scrapper

[cedar zealot]

Did anyone cruel?

[obtuse oyster]

the DE crueled

[empty sleet]

btw

how did the strikers do in thaemine anyways

[cedar zealot]

What's de

Dead eye

[obtuse oyster]

deadeye

[cedar zealot]

Ok

[cobalt hazel]

deadgeye

[supple parrot]

deadeye is pretty stronk atm

[cedar zealot]

Which build

[cobalt hazel]

EW is for sweaty nerds though

[supple parrot]

both is strong

[cedar zealot]

[cobalt hazel]

pewpew build looks fun

[urban obsidian]

Never bc I’d need a 9/9 stone to run +2 wind fury

[obtuse oyster]

never stop dreaming

[cedar zealot]

I'm pushing mine to 1580 soon

[supple parrot]

ew higher ceiling, pistoleer is ez to play and still high dmg

[cedar zealot]

So I can start doing akkan

[quartz turret]

nerf deadeye

[cedar zealot]

Pistoleer legit most fun build

Silence Rosey

[empty sleet]

my damn leaps aren't selling

[cedar zealot]

[empty sleet]

i think someone is underselling the entire market

[cedar zealot]

Supply > demand

That's why I don't do guardians

Even on rested

[dawn ridge]

ngl i'd be tempted to make a deadeye but i got 15 chars already

[empty sleet]

i needa check

[cobalt hazel]

people undercutting fusion mats

[mortal burrow]

kinda feels bad i cant find a decent quality precise dagger accessory tho for pistol

[empty sleet]

ok nvm they sold false alarm

[cobalt hazel]

people selling fusion mats at barely break even is such a meme

[cedar zealot]

Get tempted, to make an appointment with a counsellor

[quartz turret]

imma delete gs for de

[cedar zealot]

No

[cobalt hazel]

gs has booba though

dont delete booba for cocka

[urban obsidian]

gs > de

[cedar zealot]

U already fell for the puh puh

[urban obsidian]

Ngl

[empty sleet]

idk man its pretty worth lol

[urban obsidian]

Pistoleer felt weird and ew is cringe as fuck to play

[mortal burrow]

wait why did prices go up?

[empty sleet]

i love doing carl so i just get free gold for existing

[mortal burrow]

it was 24 a few days ago

[cedar zealot]

Says the guy who mains wf aero

[urban obsidian]

Yeah

What abt it

[cedar zealot]

Worst swift build I played

And I play all of them

We are meme'ing, wf aero is fine

[quartz turret]

aero is already lopang

[urban obsidian]

Aero is dogshit

Fr

[cobalt hazel]

Aero is a good synergy slave

[empty sleet]

aero seems to do a lot

[urban obsidian]

Lmao?

[quartz turret]

[empty sleet]

unless my striker is just that much zdps and aero gets to shine

[cobalt hazel]

I'd prefer an aero with no hands to like, a scrapper with no hands

Because at least aero gives crit syn

[cedar zealot]

Good stagger, good synergy

If they did top tier dmg too, would be unfair

[urban obsidian]

Aero and good stagger

[cedar zealot]

She doesn't, that's why everyone wants her to get some love next month

[mortal burrow]

ngl tho im tempted to try out control on my hyper express instead of pinnacle

[cobalt hazel]

Aero is basically gunlancer but for weebs and degens

[tardy tusk]

manant

[empty sleet]

everyone wants the female MA's to get love but what about me man

[urban obsidian]

Aero is basically gunlancer but actually fun*

[urban obsidian]

? Striker is broken

[tardy tusk]

Gl fun

[cedar zealot]

What is that pfp

[quartz turret]

striker buff when

[robust birch]

Striker is trash

[urban obsidian]

4 spender is giga dmg bro

[tardy tusk]

uh?

[urban obsidian]

Wdym buff

[robust birch]

5 spender is, 4 spender trash

[cedar zealot]

I don't even read manga or watch s2 jjk but got spoiled today

[empty sleet]

maybe i'll try to learn 4/5 spender for next week raids

[cedar zealot]

I'll spoil everyone here

[empty sleet]

but db is

[cedar zealot]

It should be fine

Not against discord server

Tos

[tardy tusk]

Is Sukuna man.

[tardy tusk]

im up to date i can spoil you every arc, is a warning.

[quartz turret]

5 spender is fine

[cedar zealot]

Yeah I know, wasn't saying you spoiled anything, just sharing an experience I had lol

[tardy tusk]

[cedar zealot]

[quartz turret]

[cedar zealot]

Unfair

https://tenor.com/view/i-saw-w-gus-fring-gus-gustavo-deleted-gif-25440636

[quartz turret]

give me the destruction blessing

[tardy tusk]

[cedar zealot]

Just auto it

With fu+abundance

[quartz turret]

i dont have fu

[cedar zealot]

Just get her then?

[quartz turret]

send jades

[cedar zealot]

I mean it's not like you have to go all the way to hard pity

Just throw a few pulls and get her

[mortal burrow]

wym?

[quartz turret]

[mortal burrow]

.

they all flew away

outside the game

never to be seen again

[quartz turret]

i need the blessing that spreads the dmg

[obtuse oyster]

@dull obsidian

[supple parrot]

still a decent amount of em, but alot of meta chasers swapped

[mortal burrow]

ngl i thought they meant the sorc and zerker bots

[cedar zealot]

mayhem is still good

[supple parrot]

alot of classes were borderline unplayable without relic set

so theres that

[cedar zealot]

igniter fell off big time cause recent raids prefer classes that bring more to the raids than just dmg

like akkan, voldis and now thaemine

a good igniter can still wipe the floor with most classes

but thats like 1 in 20

[quartz turret]

mayhem is broken

[cedar zealot]

mayhem is balanced

any weaker build should get buffed

any stronger build brought down a lil

@quartz turret

[quartz turret]

whale

[cedar zealot]

after realizing my mistake of going to 76 pulls

i decided not to waste my pulls

and hit the 5* earlier

thats how u do it

u can switch it around freely

[mortal burrow]

dw you can switch it freely now

[quartz turret]

that blessing that gives skill point on heal is so broken with luocha

[mortal burrow]

there is no more requirement of 55 valtan bones and 55 vykas wings 😄

[empty sleet]

who wanna carry me in vykas g2 real quick

[supple parrot]

lego skin is so cheap now, i coulda saved like 150k

if i waited

[quartz turret]

i couldve saved 20k

[empty sleet]

oh my

[quartz turret]

who the fuck keeps rolling ss bows

[charred void]

i could've made 700k instead

[empty sleet]

bard sure costs a pretty penny huh

[quartz turret]

[obtuse oyster]

NAW moment

[quartz turret]

bard ugly anyways

[cobalt hazel]

Nah bard pants

[empty sleet]

less than 100k for striker, didnt know this would be possible with the player count lol

[cobalt hazel]

It's just no one buys them because who tf gets legendary on supports lmao

[charred void]

?

[supple parrot]

should i buy lego skin for alt?

[cedar zealot]

look on the bright side, u can save gold when getting them on your alts

[supple parrot]

FUCK i afked too long on mediea

and got kicked

[cedar zealot]

[supple parrot]

cosplaying as rosey failed

[cedar zealot]

[quartz turret]

deserved

[nova marlin]

Why cant I change my Hallu set?

[mortal burrow]

guide quest

for gear set conversion

[mortal burrow]

ngl that glow looks really nice

[nova marlin]

Ohh thank you very much

[rugged lynx]

I hate clown

[mortal burrow]

wym? best raid ever (cries in jail)

[quartz turret]

best raid to overhone and skip

[empty sleet]

omw to spend 10 min on m3 because i have 3 supps i needa to clown on

[wintry depot]

november

its in the road map

[supple parrot]

speakin of clown, ne1 wanna run a quick one on nae jump?

[obtuse oyster]

nah, jump servers are meant to entice new players back to the game

nothing to do with new classes

[nova garden]

chadding on js servers

[modest lichen]

[obtuse oyster]

@mystic oasis more bad decisions have been made

[supple parrot]

[obtuse oyster]

[supple parrot]

green names whaling

https://tenor.com/view/cute-adorable-duckling-haha-classic-gif-17283485

[stuck adder]

Ugh finally getting my Yorn ignea key. 4hrs picking mushrooms

[frosty sphinx]

only 4 hr

[quartz turret]

grats i have 0 sweet mushrooms and 150 green ones

[supple parrot]

horizontal andies

[quartz turret]

rmter

[supple parrot]

afker

[quartz turret]

https://tenor.com/view/we-do-a-little-trolling-misinformation-toji-no-miko-kaoru-mashiko-gif-24078541

[late portal]

i know the feeling bruv

[obtuse oyster]

[nova garden]

shit

[hidden jay]

Does he have extra money

Or what

[nova garden]

[hidden jay]

Nvm thats you

[winged axle]

2/4

[hidden jay]

Can you give me some skins too I'll equip them on top of each other

[late portal]

that is me

[fervent ibex]

anyone know how many phantom intentions G4 HM gives?

[late portal]

I love when people tell me it doesn’t stack ap

I tell them no shit I do it because I want to

[hidden jay]

Good flex

[winged axle]

rich

[shadow sonnet]

legacy scouter?

[late portal]

hes growing up so fast

[quartz turret]

[nova garden]

Idk

All I know is that I didn’t mvp

[patent marlin]

any stone enjoyers

[quartz turret]

[charred void]

just click it

[turbid oriole]

yo

wtf is clown g4

[nova garden]

They’re tryna juice new players I guess

[empty sleet]

i just think its challenge 4 but called gate for some reason

[charred void]

if you hover over it it says something else

its just clear x amount of clown gates

[late portal]

bingo phase?

[charred void]

no

[turbid oriole]

OH

gate is just the term

for these stupid achievements

why

[nova garden]

[charred void]

because dogshit korean devs

or translators

[nova garden]

Think this one is on the translators.

The localization is quite bad in some places.

Wording is awkward and confusing, sometimes just incorrect.

[late portal]

imagine your one job is to translate korean to english

so hard

[cedar zealot]

@supple parrot have you found any good dye presets for zerk leggo skin

[supple parrot]

no i just use default

[nova garden]

Dead chat

[quartz turret]

dead game

[empty sleet]

dead indeed

oh thats where all the dye went lol

[mortal burrow]

WTF

did you guys see the new gold river letter?

[tulip charm]

no, what is it?

[tulip charm]

got a link for the entire thing?

[mortal burrow]

new raids will have hell mode alongside it and basically, the first clear stuff (the first party who clears) will only be rewarded in hell mode now

[tulip charm]

idk what this is

[mortal burrow]

https://lostark-game-onstove-com.translate.goog/News/Notice/Views/2549?page=1&searchtype=0&searchtext&noticetype=all&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp

So basically, the new raids if you want to go for worlds first, you'd have to do hell mode which means gear won't matter for worlds first

[empty sleet]

thats one way to avoid the esther carry

[mortal burrow]

Everyone will be on the same page in terms of gear

[empty sleet]

honestly genius lol

probably didnt like how different this race was because of weapon diff

[mortal burrow]

oh wait, apparently hell modes wont be equalized in the future?

idk

nvm

we can only wait and see tho

[tulip charm]

i get the gist of it but edge translation sucks lol

[mortal burrow]

idk now tho,

[empty sleet]

if its not equalized then idk what the point is lol

[mortal burrow]

maybe hell mode will just be a step up from hard mode (thaemine diffiuclty of raids)?

[tulip charm]

idk anything about hellmode except everytime a new one comes out legalia makes alot of $

[shadow sonnet]

if hell mode isnt equalised thats so bad wtf lol

[whole dagger]

do i have to do hearts/skill pots again or can i wait for merge? my main char has alrdy done them

[charred void]

what merge

[empty sleet]

merge will do nothing

it just opens that server to matchmaking and market with the rest

[charred void]

there is no merge

[whole dagger]

welp

[shadow sonnet]

what merge?

[lament vortex]

Jumpstart will just become a normal server

You wont get those characters in your current roster

[whole dagger]

i see

[shadow sonnet]

do jumpstart players need to do t1 and t2 and the story and stuff? lol

[empty sleet]

if you already used the power pass yeah

[charred void]

they do if they dont use the powerpass

[whole dagger]

dont think i have it in me to do horizontal again 😦

[shadow sonnet]

i cant believe they havent just heavily nuked the horizontal content, i could never do that shit again

[empty sleet]

jumpstart mainly for newbies anyways

[charred void]

doing all paladin horizontals took 1 day

[shadow sonnet]

the skill points mostly

[whole dagger]

yea im talking about sp anything else doesnt matter as ,much i feel

[nova garden]

I mean, jumpstart isn’t made for people who haven’t done that stuff.

[whole dagger]

im a returning player so

[nova garden]

Item level even on normal servers is very easy to get very high. Only benefit jump servers have is an extra story express, power pass, hyper express, and event shop I suppose.

Also, the extra event for doing legion raids and other stuff is nice.

[cinder pulsar]

how many times can you enter primal island pvp a day? to try to get higher rank for the week?

[whole dagger]

thats nice to hear

[frosty sphinx]

3 times a day

[empty sleet]

you know you on a bad alt when you see this shit

[charred void]

this is 1,5 weeks on jumpstart server

[empty sleet]

you're also not new nor returning

so dont count

[azure valley]

灯笼英雄川

[charred void]

sadly you "have" to do slightly more horizontals for SP for dps classes

[mortal burrow]

did you guys see the reddit post about gold river

i was like wtf

i read the whole thing and im like bruh, whyd you write all this

https://www.reddit.com/r/lostarkgame/comments/16qkbuy/the_truth_about_lost_ark_gold_river/?sort=new

[charred void]

the less you read on reddit, the more braincells you keep

[lament vortex]

The only bad thing really is the use of sidereal weps in World First

That should not have been a thing

[mortal burrow]

they just bring up old stuff about the old t2 and such

and how p2w it was

[charred void]

stop reading trash from morons on reddit

[lament vortex]

P2w what though

You dont really win much tbh

[shadow sonnet]

i mean if hell mode isnt normalised anymore then its giga cringe

[mortal burrow]

systems were really p2w in old lost ark

but ima just wait a day and see the comments

just for fun

[charred void]

lost ark also almost died in t1/t2 so what, this game is only popular because the other trash p2w game called maple story was more trash than this so people came to lost ark

[dim grove]

I almost came back with jumpstart but remembered all the horizontal content I have to do 💀

[charred void]

maybe you should look up what you exactly have to do on horizontals

[gleaming pendant]

it almost died in t1/t2 but it was also when goldriver didn't takeover

[shadow sonnet]

dont worry shift g spam and going to cool epic islands is fun!!

[nova garden]

From what I’ve heard, game was like new world kinds of bad

[lament vortex]

Bonus loot used to cost blue crystals

[gleaming pendant]

reddit in a nutshell

blame goldriver when he wasn't even there

[shadow sonnet]

in KR isnt it still if you dont have aura you dont get the 10% bonus from pet

[lament vortex]

And that only changed around the time EU/NA server released

[charred void]

the less you know about korean lost ark the better

[lament vortex]

You have to rng roll the pet buff

[charred void]

entirely different game version

[shadow sonnet]

[lament vortex]

For blue crystal

[gleaming pendant]

that's like comparing the 1st year ffxiv to the current ffxiv

[shadow sonnet]

KRs really accept that shit

[gleaming pendant]

the 1st year ff almost died as well.

[charred void]

well it died

[shadow sonnet]

yh i mean whatever happens if they make the next hellmode (or currents) not equalised gold river and co are shit lol

[charred void]

nobody cares about hellmode

besides losers buying boosts for it

[gleaming pendant]

They make a content that I don't even play not equalized!!!

ohno

🙀

[dim grove]

I forget, does hellmode get u special cosmetics?

[charred void]

ye braindmg

[shadow sonnet]

making the almost only non p2w part of lost ark pay to win is epic and cool actually they should allow ester 8s into hell mode too and let you overgear it really hard

[mortal burrow]

im curious tho if our lost ark will make a server's first thing for thaemine tho

[wintry depot]

1% of people play hellmodes

[tidal sleet]

Less than

[charred void]

what server first, western mouthbreathers get guides send over from korea

[tidal sleet]

And it's the same 8 people piloting accounts

[charred void]

there is no server first

[tidal sleet]

Gotta get those floor titles

Mayhems floor, demons floor, addicted to floor

Floor hunter

[charred void]

west will always be behind in content

[wintry depot]

i wish there was achievements for most deaths on one mech

i would win this

[dim grove]

Damn I’ve been gone too long, how come most engravings r dirt cheap now

[charred void]

this got released and cleared in like 10 minutes because people from the future speedrun it

[mortal burrow]

frog happened recently

well i think like 2 weeks ago or something

[charred void]

"world-first"

[empty sleet]

we wont see frog again for another few months right

[cedar zealot]

should be region first

[rugged lynx]

poor frog

[cedar zealot]

oh well

[gleaming pendant]

time to see ppl from the future speedrun hell calil

[charred void]

ye, gonna take 10 minutes for the "world-first" kill

[empty sleet]

you're really upset about this huh

[charred void]

why should i

[gleaming pendant]

not even few months

might be even a year

korea only seen it like once every year

[empty sleet]

thats a shame

[gleaming pendant]

and we already got it once more

than korea

was a surprise considering

[empty sleet]

need to start getting good drops then lol

[charred void]

korea doesnt have infinite botted gold

[tardy tusk]

[empty sleet]

also whats the point of plat fields lol

[charred void]

gold

[wintry depot]

getting free gold

[empty sleet]

this shit slow as hell lol

[charred void]

15min, about 5k gold eu, about 15k on na(e/w?)

[nova garden]

[tardy tusk]

what.

[tardy tusk]

13k

[nova garden]

Oh shit

[tardy tusk]

dont me then.

[supple parrot]

what?

[nova garden]

10 hours

[modest lichen]

lmaoo

[supple parrot]

and?

[tardy tusk]

Time to bedge.

[nova garden]

But I just turned on my pc this morning and never closed it.

[dim grove]

How many of those hours were afk tho

[nova garden]

A lot

[tardy tusk]

idk, 30 mins?

i just finished all my clowns, brels, 1 akkan...

[shadow sonnet]

fishing the best life skill atm?

[buoyant wagon]

reddit forgetting to take their meds again

[shadow sonnet]

gold wise

[safe parcel]

IS KEEN BLUNT AND MAX MP 5/7 STONE WORTH SELLING ?

[nova garden]

Fishing and excavation.

[tardy tusk]

no

[nova garden]

You cannot sell cut rocks.

[safe parcel]

ups caps

[buoyant wagon]

funny thing is WoW WFR is just as p2w but you don't hear people complaining about that

[shadow sonnet]

fishing it is then lol can stand still at least

[safe parcel]

damn

[keen copper]

why would u even cut that stone

[nova garden]

[safe parcel]

wym ?

[urban obsidian]

g3 proggers dying to g1 normal mechs turning into clowns 3 times

[shadow sonnet]

its player driven p2w rather than company driven pay to win. blizzard doesnt directly sell power like smilegate do

[nova garden]

Keen is good for dps, but only sup use max mp.

[keen copper]

that engraving combination is literally used by no body

[urban obsidian]

g3 prog my fucking ass man

[safe parcel]

i see

[shadow sonnet]

and people heavily criticise it for being p2w lol

[charred void]

every shit online game is p2w

[buoyant wagon]

it's player driven p2w in the form of professional orgs and sponsors for the only 2 guilds that are competitive, including a healthy dose of rmt/pseudo rmt on the side

it's hardly better than people swiping for esther 8

[tardy tusk]

Riot

[dim grove]

Isn’t wow raiding just following add on promts

[buoyant wagon]

addons dont help for the last bosses that aren't shown in ptr

they'd have to custom code their own callouts for those

[mortal burrow]

dont forget the p2w skins tho

with effects that make it harder to see certain annimations

[shadow sonnet]

the race to world first may be, but the outside of the top 3 (max top 4) guilds, the rest arent being paid in any real form or spending IRL money themselves

[charred void]

you can pay some coach to teach you the game so you go up from bronze to whatever your iq/skill allows you, so yes LOL is p2w too

[tardy tusk]

I said Riot

No lol

[charred void]

no idea what riot is

[buoyant wagon]

top guilds competing in wow other than echo/liquid/method aren't exactly f2p either lol

[shadow sonnet]

also every race the race is criticized for being a mess financially, in game (gold wise), gear wise etcetera, practically every top guild complains about the amount of gold they need every race

[lament vortex]

WoW wf is also heavily p2w

[buoyant wagon]

wow can get fairly p2w at the top, maybe not to the degree of esther 8s but still decently p2w

[modest lichen]

yup

this was even more true before when mythic boes were sellable early on

[buoyant wagon]

fairest WFR is probably ff14

because you cant swipe for gear

there are no orgs

[shadow sonnet]

yh thats true, and gear is crafted i believe first week or something idk

[modest lichen]

is the WFR in ff14 big?

[lament vortex]

I remember when a top guild "borrowed" a lot of gold from the Gallywix community

[shadow sonnet]

or was it normalised

[buoyant wagon]

anyone and their mother can buy crafted gear

crafted gear is for first week savage

ultimate requires some other weird combination of bis depending on raid

[shadow sonnet]

compared to wow or even lost ark i dont think it is

[buoyant wagon]

because it syncs you down to a certain ilvl and you need specific pieces for bis

but all those pieces are essentially free and farmable within an hour or two

[buoyant wagon]

no, never been big other than within the high end raiding community

it doesnt require as much resources like WoW and doesnt take as long

[shadow sonnet]

but with how gearing is now in wow most recent expac you are (basically) max ilvl by week 3/4. but even prev expac i raided in top 100 guild and i never spent gold on consumes (guild provides), and we didnt have much use for gold in general

[buoyant wagon]

a lot of people dont stream also

[urban obsidian]

[tardy tusk]

lol devs

[buoyant wagon]

because they dont want to give away strats or they might be using addons

[modest lichen]

i see

[shadow sonnet]

yh theyre using addons which are basically hacks

[buoyant wagon]

no world first has ever been a streamed team i think

[buoyant wagon]

only TOP was egregious with zoom cheats

[shadow sonnet]

they all use against TOS addons (hacks)

all ff14 addons are hacks

basically

[azure valley]

well raiding in ffxiv isn't as big as in other games in the first place

[buoyant wagon]

TEA had custom markers but that was pretty tame

[queen grail]

Third (I think).

[buoyant wagon]

Dragonsong had callouts though for world first iirc

[tardy tusk]

Undeserved

[lament vortex]

Seems most people play ff14 for erp

[azure valley]

its just a more casual game in general

[charred void]

clubbing in ff14

[buoyant wagon]

only real competitor is WoW and WoW WFR has a lot more money and investment in it, and generally the prog is a lot longer. also 20 man = more exciting

[azure valley]

but the raids are fun

[shadow sonnet]

the most popular addon are actually hacks its not even funny actually lol, they directly edit packets before they reach the servers. (the addon that helps with latency i forgot the name).

[buoyant wagon]

lost ark only really had this many viewers because thaemine was hyped up to be an uber hard raid after a long time of sleeper content

[buoyant wagon]

i know, you can do that with xivalexander (not sure if that still exists) and other addons

[shadow sonnet]

was akkan on release easy by comparison or wot

[shadow sonnet]

yhh that was the name

[buoyant wagon]

yeah, cleared in 1 day

[lament vortex]

Akkan was also ment to be easy

[buoyant wagon]

most people dont fiddle that much with xivalexander though

it's very easily detectable if you do something blatant like triple weave

and it wont help you win a race

[charred void]

cant wait for ai anticheat

[buoyant wagon]

at best most usage of it revolves around mitigating high ping

because high ping makes xiv unplayable

[shadow sonnet]

yh ofc it helps immensely, most classes are basically unplayable depending on MS since the servers are shit (japanese devs and shit netcode not surprising)

[azure valley]

literally can't do some rotations with too high of ping

[buoyant wagon]

funny enough lost ark is fairly playable with up to like 200-250 ping

well, 200+ starts to get uncomfortable

[shadow sonnet]

well at least basically (i think) every class is homogenised to be 2min cooldown classes now right

in ff14

[buoyant wagon]

xiv past 100 noticeably starts to feel like shit

[nova garden]

I also dropped my third 10k bar today

[azure valley]

well it feels like shit in the first place

[shadow sonnet]

wow has such good netcode its insane

[urban obsidian]

HOLY SMOKES @gleaming pendant

[azure valley]

2.5s gcd or whatever is just so outdated

[urban obsidian]

[buoyant wagon]

just be off meta monkey and stack skill speed

[shadow sonnet]

its so console players can play

[buoyant wagon]

for that 2.1s gcd

[shadow sonnet]

any game that is also on console is neutered for console gamers

[buoyant wagon]

hey, i now know why i play RE db

it plays like it has gcds

fucking charge attacks everywhere

[queen grail]

Slayer got 2 fate embers, 10k and Epic select.

[nova garden]

I got a 10k bar and 500k silver

[dim grove]

From where, I been out too long?

[shadow sonnet]

chaos dungeon is fate ember i think

[nova garden]

Fate embers (topg loot), they’re dropped from chaos dungeons and guardian raids as to replace gold and red portals.

[shadow sonnet]

red portals were cancer for supports i remember

[mortal burrow]

yep

[nova garden]

They can drop anywhere from 500k silver to (soonge) 200k gold.

[mortal burrow]

really bad

[dim grove]

I should probably check all the patch notes for the last few months x.x

[hidden jay]

All I get is silver

[mortal burrow]

they also made guardian raids once per day and gives twice the rewards 😄

[nova garden]

Just check August’s patch notes. Those are the big ones.

[stark thicket]

Hello Jeff Bezos, I am calling to ask for a small loan of a million dollars! Thanks

[hidden jay]

Why is it named after me but I get shit all the time

[mossy relic]

If you guys could recommend the most high-demand dps that isnt back attack reliant that's versatile for raids/dungeons/bussing (idc about pvp) what would it be? Zerk?

[hidden jay]

Sorc

[stark thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/pikachu-sadness-pet-head-caterpie-sad-gif-16792400

[nova garden]

There is no high in demand dps. There’s just high demand supports.

[buoyant wagon]

high demand dps = whales with hands

[mossy relic]

LOL

[nova garden]

Suppose a high demand dps would be an Esther 8 god gamer

[dim grove]

Credit card dps

[nova garden]

Gs is pretty wicked

[hidden jay]

Icy can you find my Esther 8

[nova garden]

I’m f2p

[urban obsidian]

[hidden jay]

I want innana on my mine

[urban obsidian]

gg

gg

[hidden jay]

What's new

You're always poor

[urban obsidian]

honing is expensive man

[keen copper]

pocket change

[shadow sonnet]

what ilvl is that

[lament vortex]

Mizu is broke

Poor is a mindset

[urban obsidian]

glenn

gib gold

[nova garden]

i don't have this much disposable income @hidden jay

[hidden jay]

Nevermind, my income and yours combined is not enough

[nova garden]

That’s not including the +25 ancient weapon you need

[lament vortex]

Can ask Queen

She has enough

[hidden jay]

Chuan has some

[stark thicket]

Wtf is this

How you need to rmt?

[nova garden]

this is what esther 8 costs with in-game exchange rates and current market prices on naw

I made an esther calculator

[stark thicket]

Email Jeff bezos for a small loan

[supple parrot]

its prob more cuz there isnt that many esther souls on the market price would go up when u start buyin for esther 8

[nova garden]

too many 9's, this is the actual price

So if one were to start buying, it would prolly be closer to 100k

[azure valley]

hmm thats not bad

[supple parrot]

get esther 8

[modest lichen]

road to 900 on JS server

[dim grove]

Madman

[nova garden]

[modest lichen]

lol

[azure valley]

but you could drive a m3 into a lake instead

[supple parrot]

u would get more use out of esther

[azure valley]

but you could buy 5kg of caviar instead

[shadow sonnet]

on ilvl week 1 what was harder for most people, clown or akkan normal?

[nova garden]

Clown

[supple parrot]

akkan is rly ez

ppl were also werent as expierenced when clown came out

[nova garden]

Watching people suffer in clown was really funny

[gleaming pendant]

zerk dps

[mortal burrow]

the first time on clown ,i remember to always dying at iron maiden 1 saws..

although someone from my friend's guild guided us but it was 4 dps

[tidal sleet]

Clown prog lasted a week for some

Akkan was like 2-3 day

[shadow sonnet]

i was the designated mario 3 guy i can only do m1 or m3

[mortal burrow]

i chose m4 and never regreted it

[shadow sonnet]

and if i do m1 ive never done the m3 stagger part so idk what its like

[mortal burrow]

i liked m4 until this one configuration where i to search for blue balls

and you literally could only see like 1 in the background e.e

[shadow sonnet]

clown was so tilting just to do entire fight and someone fails mario and you cant recover

[mortal burrow]

i remember tho on our 2nd clown clear without the person who carried (we became a 4 man static) I was able to solo bingo phase

[shadow sonnet]

i quit when brel and the game in general had full raid DCs, I DCed during gate 3 brel lost entry then quit completely, when did they fix the full raid DC stuff

week 1 brel

[glacial marsh]

long long ago

[cedar zealot]

a week or two after the dcs started

that was a rough time

[shadow sonnet]

yh most of my static basically just quit from that lol

[nova garden]

I’ve never seen m3/4

I’ve only done maze like twice

[supple parrot]

never had dc problems

just play on the best region

[cedar zealot]

[supple parrot]

dont weirdpaper me bish

[cedar zealot]

pretty sure naw had it too

[supple parrot]

nope

[cedar zealot]

maybe u were playing while afk so u didnt notice

[supple parrot]

i didnt

[shadow sonnet]

every region had it

it was after they added a new class i forgot

reaper maybe

[supple parrot]

dont remember dc ever being an issue

i remember when ppl were complainin

[shadow sonnet]

but yh week 1 normal brel had mass DCs entire raids

[cedar zealot]

dcs are slowly coming back

[nova garden]

I DC’d maybe like twice during that time.

[cedar zealot]

on friday

[tidal sleet]

Eac is a problem

[cedar zealot]

3/5 raids

had to remake group

[tidal sleet]

But it's only for certain people

[cedar zealot]

cause 1 person always dcing

[tidal sleet]

If your connection lapses for 2s it's eac

Booted to menu

Piece of shit

[urban obsidian]

i love eac

[shadow sonnet]

kayangel gives level 3 set bonus right

the mats

or was that akkan

[modest lichen]

i think kay yes

[shadow sonnet]

do you get insta rejected from akkan groups without level 3 set bonus then

akkan normal

[modest lichen]

im 1500 rn on JS haha

so idk lol

[shadow sonnet]

ah lol

[cedar zealot]

depends on what kind of group you are trying to join

if its plague title groups, they prob gonna screen u more strictly than your avg siens successor reclear group

[supple parrot]

probably but i think a lot of ppl dont look that carefully on set bonus, but ppl do expect u to be reclear at this point. not sure what prog/learn group look for

[shadow sonnet]

well i cleared kayangel normal this week and only watched a video and we one shot everyone near ilvl, is akkan that easy too?

[modest lichen]

lol

[shadow sonnet]

akkan normal

[cedar zealot]

akkan nm is a bit tighter than kay nm/hm on ilvl

still easy though

[shadow sonnet]

o kk

[modest lichen]

my aero on main roster was 1510 but i stopped playing that when JS came out nd just restarted here

bc i didnt do that much horizontals anyway

[supple parrot]

kayangel nm is prob the easiest raid in the game

[shadow sonnet]

ooh i see

do people bus akkan normal

[cedar zealot]

yeah

[nova garden]

Yeah

[shadow sonnet]

is it hard

[modest lichen]

yeah ive seen ppl do it

[nova garden]

40-45k gold

[cedar zealot]

huh

its like 20-25k here

[modest lichen]

20k ? wtf

[supple parrot]

its cheaper now

[modest lichen]

per person?

[supple parrot]

yua more like 20-30k

[cedar zealot]

yeah, its 5x3

[urban obsidian]

yeah

[supple parrot]

yes per rider

[urban obsidian]

?

[shadow sonnet]

must be hard then

[nova garden]

Meant to press 3

[keen copper]

[modest lichen]

dangg

[nova garden]

Mobile keyboard

[supple parrot]

no cuz u need more drivers, so ppl charge more cuz of the split

[cedar zealot]

scam region

[modest lichen]

lmaoo

[supple parrot]

its usually 6c2 at this point

[modest lichen]

dang bussing akkan is where its at then

[supple parrot]

tho more geared can do with less

[nova garden]

If you buy at the right time, it can go down to around 30-35k

But most I see are 35+

[modest lichen]

how geared usually are the bussers?

the one doing carry

[supple parrot]

not rly cuz u do 6c2 at 20k, each driver is only getting paid 6.6k. which isnt that much

its less gold than brel bus

[cedar zealot]

not much more geared than the riders

they usually have gem advantage and thats it

maybe better quality gear

[modest lichen]

oh i see

[azure valley]

akkan nm is faceroll

[modest lichen]

[cedar zealot]

all nm should be faceroll

make hm for those that want a challenge

and hell mode for world first clear race

took them long enough to come to this understanding

[urban obsidian]

i cant wait for un-equalized hell mode

removing whats good about hell mode

[urban obsidian]

gj sg

[cedar zealot]

did they say its gonna be un equalized

[supple parrot]

isnt that just extreme valtan

[urban obsidian]

they said they're gonna look at making them unequalized

instead

[azure valley]

they said in the future they might make hell modes just unequalized

[urban obsidian]

which is just removing what makes hell mode hell mode

[azure valley]

cause nobody does hell content as is

[urban obsidian]

[cedar zealot]

yeah well

they need to do something about esther wep

then its fine

[urban obsidian]

the appeal of hell mode for the ppl who play it is the equalization

making it hard

[cedar zealot]

not enough people care about hell mode

but most people care about world first clear

like thaemine

if they wanna do the same with kazeros

they should make the wfr mode for whales

and have nm and hm with separate balancing

[azure valley]

well the issue also is theres not really an incentive

[cedar zealot]

hell mode doesnt have any

but thaemine did

[azure valley]

if they gave cool cosmetics or something more people would try

[urban obsidian]

the issue is theres no incentive

not that its equalized

[cedar zealot]

so they can do the same with kazeros

[urban obsidian]

it being equalized with harder mechs is fine bc thats what makes hell mode hell mode

[cedar zealot]

exclusive statues, titles, mounts

[urban obsidian]

if its not equalized its just gonna be rmters over juiced x100 one shotting it

[azure valley]

exclusive weapon skins like ffxiv

[cedar zealot]

nah not one shotting it

[urban obsidian]

thats not the point bro

lmao

[cedar zealot]

they will balance the fight around the top raiders

[urban obsidian]

it being one shot is a hyperbole

its not the point of that message at all

[cedar zealot]

its just publicity, future hell modes wont be for us

its for the top whales

[urban obsidian]

the game isnt for us anymore

everything is made for ppl spending 100k a month

[cedar zealot]

yes the game isnt for us cause 2% of the content is beyond our reach

yep

[urban obsidian]

every hell player i know plays it because of what it is currently

if its unequalized its not hell anymore

[cedar zealot]

why do u keep mentioning hell

like it matters

old hell is old shit

[urban obsidian]

because?

[cedar zealot]

new hell is for publicity

[urban obsidian]

thats what its about

[cedar zealot]

not anymore

get over it

[urban obsidian]

?

what

[cedar zealot]

gold river said it himself in an interview

barely any people do current hell modes

[urban obsidian]

ok

so give it an incentive thats more then a stupid ass title?

i gurantee that will get more ppl to do it

[cedar zealot]

its basically an inefficient use of resources

thaemine although hard as hell modes or harder

was hyped

they wanna do the same with kazeros

its kinda like wow top mythic raiding

or w.e

[urban obsidian]

its an inefficient use of resources bc theres no incentive to do it

so people dont do it

give people a reason to do it and they will

its that simple

[cedar zealot]

well thats a good suggestion

but not the route they are taking

it is what it is