lost-ark-discussions

[supple parrot]

Doesn’t mean ppl won’t gatekeep u

[cunning mesa]

first clear is around 10-20 hours prog. dl is like... 5-10 more with same group?

[supple parrot]

For not having it

[empty sleet]

vykas still has a value?

[frosty sphinx]

Ya vykas still a bit difficult to get

[teal herald]

valtan hell?

[cunning mesa]

can also get demon hunter title

[buoyant wagon]

deathless hell vykas is quite a bit harder than deathless hell valtan

[cunning mesa]

[teal herald]

so its harder than akkan?

[buoyant wagon]

there are enough dogshit hell players/bussed titles that hell titles dont help you from getting gatekept that much

[frosty sphinx]

Well yea all hell mode is harder than akkan

[buoyant wagon]

akkan is a fucking easy raid lmao

[cunning mesa]

not really. but you cant shield everything

[supple parrot]

Ppl only really care about hell title the first few weeks the raid come out

And then no one cares

[empty sleet]

akkan is the hardest raid for me 😏

[cunning mesa]

thats in na

[faint grove]

the only people who care about hell titles are people with hell titles, nobody else gives a fuck

[empty sleet]

holy shit i am missing so many titles

[cunning mesa]

in eu hell titles still have decent value

[cunning mesa]

just focus on the latest ones

the rest dont matter

[buoyant wagon]

i have met equal numbers of good and bad hell title players

[empty sleet]

i have 0 idea what the latest ones are

[buoyant wagon]

hell title as does not show how long it took you to get it or your dps contribution

[lean pewter]

demon hunter for all hell clears

[faint grove]

hard disagree, mayhems shadow holds the equivalent value of siens successor, any hell title below this is beyond worthless

[cunning mesa]

plc, plc, demon hunter, mayhem shadow, atd

[supple parrot]

Only way to tell if someone is good is with bible

[buoyant wagon]

^

[dim lark]

yumi carry me g4

[cunning mesa]

mayhem shadow is for dl

siens you can be dead and get it

[faint grove]

and mayhem can be paid for and only takes 1 clear

same shit

[cunning mesa]

thats a pilot then

lol

[buoyant wagon]

going to need a gameplay video or bible logs to really see how good someone is

[faint grove]

indeed it is

[empty sleet]

yeah i have none of those

[frosty sphinx]

Not alot of ppl wana drop 700$ for mayhem shadow tho

[empty sleet]

so back to banana

[cunning mesa]

not that many people pilot

[frosty sphinx]

Well they do but not that many lol

[faint grove]

almost every hell title bought is piloted what are you on about

[buoyant wagon]

doesnt cost that much

[empty sleet]

damn i dont even have this

[frosty sphinx]

Yea id do it for cheaper but thats the price over here

[faint grove]

plague legion commander only title that holds value atm, too many phantom legion customers

[frosty sphinx]

Hell price is dirt in like EU

[cunning mesa]

i think that takes 100 clears? xD

[teal herald]

bible?

[buoyant wagon]

in the earliest days, friends knew people selling it for 900k gold

now it's probably down to 500-600k

[frosty sphinx]

for mayhem shadow? Well theyre dumb lol

[violet finch]

[empty sleet]

only 50

[frosty sphinx]

Even week 1 atd was sold for 700-1k

[lean pewter]

she's pretty small for a whale

[teal herald]

tf is bible

[cunning mesa]

x10 akkan clears is cheaper than mayhem shadow and doesnt compromise your acc

[faint grove]

i mean people who pay for something that is supposed to show they're skilled arn't exactly the biggest brainlets

[buoyant wagon]

[empty sleet]

dps meter and uptime thing, bad thing to talk about

[buoyant wagon]

the real money is in china hell mode when it's out

[cunning mesa]

100 XD thats the second checkpoint

[supple parrot]

https://tenor.com/view/bible-jesus-kulfy-telugu-బిల్-gif-1170750259585677396

[teal herald]

[empty sleet]

well to get that one title its 50

[buoyant wagon]

people will easily pay 1k usd for hell vykas pilot i'm sure

[violet finch]

Yeah but you can earn the title in the training one no?

[teal herald]

so we need Jesus to check dps

[lean pewter]

aren't you living in the most religious country in eu pog?

[supple parrot]

doubt it, cuz ppl will be willing to do it for much cheaper

[frosty sphinx]

I mean thats how much the chinese paid, on NA lol

[faint grove]

indeed but luckily akkan hasnt been out long enough for casual swipers to buy 10 clears just yet

[empty sleet]

[buoyant wagon]

nah people pay dumb amounts for piloting in cn

[teal herald]

maybe and what??

[buoyant wagon]

even on valtan first week

[cunning mesa]

you get the title after finishing all the checkpoints

[lean pewter]

nothing

[buoyant wagon]

they also have extreme valtan

[empty sleet]

oh well thats never happening

[violet finch]

Ez sell

[faint grove]

thats only once a week and nobody does it so eh doesnt really matter

[violet finch]

Glasses only cost 3k this way instead of a full fucking 20k

[cunning mesa]

isnt it like week 5 o 6? enough if you have 2 chars and gold

[delicate sandal]

nerdge

[faint grove]

yeah but ppl with multiple 1580s are more likely to be dedicated players than casual swipers

[supple parrot]

ne1 on jump? lets do g4 brel

[hidden jay]

That frame is ugly o.o

[violet finch]

I need the white glasses

[buoyant wagon]

i mean, easy rule to follow (if you dont use bible) is just go in and try

[cunning mesa]

i still think mayhem shadow is a better title

[buoyant wagon]

if there are 3 wipes in a row, go back to lobby and kick/disband

[empty sleet]

i just realized it will be a lot more weeks than usual to get phantom title as is lol

[frosty sphinx]

Ppl buying akkan bus usually have 1-2 character and buy until they have full gear , they dont care about the title

They just want the set

[violet finch]

[dim lark]

i probably did over 400 by now

[faint grove]

want the set for what exactly

[frosty sphinx]

Just to have it

[faint grove]

so they can buy the next raid when ti comes out?

[frosty sphinx]

I have customer buying all raid from me since valtan

They just get the gear and chill lol

Idk why i dont ask

[buoyant wagon]

[faint grove]

had a plc guy on g3 cube yesterday

take the yellow thing during red mech

[empty sleet]

mario?

[faint grove]

and just stand there

he didnt even try going to the front

[tidal sleet]

@queen grail https://youtube.com/shorts/OAROO-kM8m8?si=0h3Ryg7NlB7guOMd

[buoyant wagon]

the one time getting someone with mayhem shadow paid off was akkan last week

they actually weren't an imposter

[uneven mortar]

you know, i cant velieve it my static is stsrting akan hm prog now

when its time for my soul eater to get gear

[buoyant wagon]

13m dps by 30 bars with 1590 weapon

[frosty sphinx]

Do you automatically assume someone with latest hell titles are bad? Idgi

[uneven mortar]

ill join them back hsing heavy armor crisis evasion

[dim lark]

i have 7 weeks left till i do akkan hard

[faint grove]

eh mayhem shadow doesn't even indicate they've done akkan, it also indicates they're insecure because they need to show off their sweat title, not a good sign

[empty sleet]

i hope i dont get jailed this week on my bard again on the first fucking mech of g1

[buoyant wagon]

i dont assume they are bad, i just assume the title means nothing until i actually see them play

[frosty sphinx]

Thats like a massive cope usually by people without hell titles lol

[delicate sandal]

Lmao

Max alberhastic tho

[buoyant wagon]

because i have done enough pug content where hell title players perform appallingly bad

[frosty sphinx]

So tell me.. when thaemine comes out you rather be in a full plc party or a full dl hel brel party?

[buoyant wagon]

i mean i'd have my own inhouse team

[delicate sandal]

None matter cuz none can clear

[buoyant wagon]

and we run bible

[cunning mesa]

i mean, if you have a rare title ofc you wanna show it

[frosty sphinx]

Right right

[buoyant wagon]

now if i didnt have a team

[cunning mesa]

its an achievement after all

[delicate sandal]

Rng is bad

[buoyant wagon]

i dont care if you have a title or not, i want a gameplay video or logs from you

[faint grove]

it would be an achievement if bussing wasnt a thing

but sadly bussing is a thing so your achievement means nothing since you can't prove its legit

[buoyant wagon]

it's the same thing coming from FF14

[faint grove]

unlucky

[empty sleet]

sure it a shame you can bus hell

[buoyant wagon]

lots of fake legend players who aren't anything special

[empty sleet]

i would easily do like 8 hours of progging valtan for DL hell lol

[cunning mesa]

but you can only pilot dl

[frosty sphinx]

You guys can use the bussing excuse all you want but its very easy to tell who bought them

[cunning mesa]

not that many people are piloting

[buoyant wagon]

though i'd say TOP/Dragonsong legends probably mean more than the previous ultimate titles

like how clown title here means more than the previous ones

and brel when that hellmode comes out

[delicate sandal]

Do it

[frosty sphinx]

No you can easily find out in discord / outside of game

[cunning mesa]

you need exp group for that short prog i think

[frosty sphinx]

Any reputable player in hell knows the sellers

[empty sleet]

i mean i would still be called a bot if i had valtan title because i dont have the months most of you do in this game lol

[frosty sphinx]

Then dont act like you do

[bold aspen]

[faint grove]

someone still sporting hell valtan title means they either havn't been playing the game for half a year or they're too shit to get the newest hell title, not a good sign.

[frosty sphinx]

There is an absolute way to find out

Every time

[delicate sandal]

Yea if they arent even remotely close in skill compared to u then they bought bus

[frosty sphinx]

And ive caught and exposed many run buyers with same methods, its common and easy

[cunning mesa]

or they just got the title and decided they didnt have that much fun getting it

[teal herald]

sien

[buoyant wagon]

and is the absolute way asking around in the hell community discords or looking up message history?

[frosty sphinx]

Certainly

[bold aspen]

[empty sleet]

no that cant possibly be an option

[faint grove]

let me guess you ask thme questions that only real players would know

[frosty sphinx]

Its a very small community deathboi

[teal herald]

imagine not having los 30 in 2023

[cunning mesa]

you dont really need hell titles to play the game they just help with getting groups

[bold aspen]

ok aly 2.0 relax you just finished yours

[buoyant wagon]

hell community is definitely small

[frosty sphinx]

No thats a lot of effort

[teal herald]

2 weeks ago

[frosty sphinx]

But ive seen ppl do that before, just too much effort for me

[buoyant wagon]

either way though for anyone who isnt part of hell community

there's no way for them to vet other than gameplay

[frosty sphinx]

Like sure this might be news for you guys but its super easy to pick out fakes

[bold aspen]

[cunning mesa]

[delicate sandal]

Some ppl have too much hw and no time

[frosty sphinx]

Theres less people who buy than clear it themselves

But not everyone who cleared contributed evenly

Thats for sure

Like playing support for example

[buoyant wagon]

that's more along my point

not so much the title is bought since more actual clears happen than busses or pilots

but that the prog time and contribution are invisible

[cunning mesa]

well, if its dl that means you can at least dodge and do decent dmg

[buoyant wagon]

this game doesnt have public logs like FF does

well, not if you dont want to risk catching a ban exposing yourself

[empty sleet]

also from my experience the last few weeks, idk why you guys hate bussing for raids so much lol, besides hell of course

[frosty sphinx]

On dps yea it does show some lvl of competence on the class but dodge and doing mechs is quite easy in hell mode

[dim lark]

TEAM OF 3 ON PRIMAL, THIS IS AMAZING

[frosty sphinx]

Lost ark isnt known for high lvl mechanics

[cunning mesa]

but until you learn the patterns it takes a bit at least for me

ig i learn slower

[empty sleet]

the day before i literally had a prog in g1 nm brel that did 0 dps, cant do a LP if they cant even pass the first damn mech in the raid

[frosty sphinx]

You learn the patterns in “hard” mode

Not in the hell mode usually

[dull obsidian]

lfg!!

[cunning mesa]

nope

[teal herald]

[cunning mesa]

in nm you just tank so much more

and have supps exclusively healing if needed bcs no harsh dmg timers

thats why i like hell

[frosty sphinx]

You dont think they have both titles tho?

[lean pewter]

do you have any funny anecdotes scalp?

[empty sleet]

well PLC just means they have multiple characters doing the raid at that point, wheres hell only requires 1 character

[cunning mesa]

forces you to learn the patterns well

[frosty sphinx]

Like really lol

[delicate sandal]

bruh

[cunning mesa]

even though i havent finished a clear yet i learnt a lot i really recommend it for everyone

[buoyant wagon]

yeah this is kind of a take

[frosty sphinx]

No one gives a fuck about 10 clear any decent player has it week 2

Thats why

[buoyant wagon]

it's also because bad hell title players stand out a lot more

[charred void]

what if they dont have any title at all

[buoyant wagon]

as opposed to the legions of bad plcs

[tidal sleet]

giga brain

[teal herald]

decent

[buoyant wagon]

who are easily forgettable

[delicate sandal]

What about the times we raided together

[empty sleet]

so you telling me some plague legion guy will do better than this guy

[tidal sleet]

plc title is for shitters

phantom

that is

[lean pewter]

real gamers use kakul saydons right arm

[charred void]

where we dropping bois

[teal herald]

Cute title

[cunning mesa]

thats not deathless title

[delicate sandal]

Cuz anything below it is customer

[buoyant wagon]

if both players are roughly similar gear wise, i'd take hell title over regular title

[cunning mesa]

thats the one you can get bussed XD

[buoyant wagon]

if it's hell title vs someone who significantly outgears them, i'm going with the latter

[teal herald]

we need loawa for the west

[empty sleet]

but how is anyone gonna learn if everyone is gatekept if they dont have that title

[teal herald]

you can check playtime on character

[delicate sandal]

Thats a bad take man look at phantom legion customer

[empty sleet]

also you could just bus akkan anyways for the title

[buoyant wagon]

eh

if someone has a hell title and plc

they are 100% putting on hell over plc

[teal herald]

plc today

[buoyant wagon]

lol

[cunning mesa]

i should get mayhem shadow so i can agent in akkan

[buoyant wagon]

not that you'd ever know

[frosty sphinx]

Again its rare people buying akkan title end up in your pugs

[uneven mortar]

most mayhem shadows are super efficient

[empty sleet]

so basically

people get gatekept because they dont play as much as you

[frosty sphinx]

Sure .. sometimes

[uneven mortar]

im f2p casual and i got this far

[buoyant wagon]

people get gatekept for 12348214218 reasons

[empty sleet]

what does f2p have to do with anything

[delicate sandal]

Thats true

[uneven mortar]

[dim lark]

god there are too many fucking chests in this game

[empty sleet]

you could spend 0$ or spend 20k$ and still get gatekept because you dont play the same amount of some of these people

[uncut dirge]

literally unplayable

[hidden jay]

Ree who's excavating at 5 am

Go to sleep

[empty sleet]

i mean either way they're not getting into the lobby

view it all the same

[frosty sphinx]

You…

[cunning mesa]

basically

[empty sleet]

also whats this

is there a prokel title

[charred void]

meme or stupid

[uncut dirge]

it's still gatekeeping tho

[ashen sigil]

that is people being funny

[tidal sleet]

hey youre awake when im playing

[empty sleet]

my ass about to go to

[hidden jay]

I'm not on est

[tidal sleet]

[cunning mesa]

thats why titles should be x1 clear if anything

[teal herald]

your shop today

[empty sleet]

but yeah anyways

[uncut dirge]

people would just do other stuff to gatekeep

ultimately it's a lack of dps meter/skill indicator of some kind

[empty sleet]

i've been denied on even learning parties before for some unknown reason

[delicate sandal]

There are exceptions usually

[uncut dirge]

i mean if worst comes to worst

[tidal sleet]

must be ugly char

[uncut dirge]

they just do what EUC bus discord did

[cunning mesa]

i dont even have rp left

[uncut dirge]

create a bot on some discord server

every time a raid is done somebody posts screenshot and tags everyone

[tidal sleet]

yep

100$

% *

[frosty sphinx]

Its better to not make assumptions when you get denied lol people take it way too personally

[tidal sleet]

I dont even look at los30, i look at char

[buoyant wagon]

yeah this is how you get a reddit post every other day complaining about getting gatekept personally

[empty sleet]

i wonder if i've been denied because my character isn't shirtless

[tidal sleet]

na that dude insulted me personally by not accepting my 3x3 dps

[bold aspen]

@teal herald another one

[uncut dirge]

i did read on reddit that somebody denied players for using bikini skins

[cunning mesa]

but thats also bad. everyone should get a chance to do the raids, else they cant get better

[uneven mortar]

gs is so fucked

[frosty sphinx]

[tidal sleet]

me and that guy would never get on

[uneven mortar]

cursed doll and squishy af

[tidal sleet]

why you running cd

[supple parrot]

i mean thats normal cuz basically everyone who apply has that

[empty sleet]

im just using the same skin i got during valtan for like 5k gold lol

[uncut dirge]

it is but people dont care

[bold aspen]

@teal herald

[supple parrot]

u dont even have 10s

[dim lark]

bro why are there so many teammers on primal

[hidden jay]

Any min max lords out here

[frosty sphinx]

Chuan lol not everyone has those

Cmon man

[empty sleet]

oh hey the one skin i got cannot even be dyed lol

[supple parrot]

if they werent then everyone would have it

[buoyant wagon]

chuan lives in a different world from us

he cant relate to us peasants

[supple parrot]

i mean most applicants to akkan has los30 and title

[hidden jay]

Should I sell my foraging stuff directly or make potions n sell

[uneven mortar]

i mean im f2p an di have title, los 30, and full 10

[empty sleet]

if you're a peasant than wtf am i? lol

[uncut dirge]

the solution is to just create solo raids

[frosty sphinx]

Idk the stats but the ones you notice and accept have it i guess

[dim lark]

depends on ur market, usually pots but u have to check idk

[uncut dirge]

solves the bussing problem

[buoyant wagon]

subhuman

[uncut dirge]

and solves the gatekeeping problem

[buoyant wagon]

now bow down

[empty sleet]

clearly

[hidden jay]

You check for me

[empty sleet]

no bow down on dn

[dim lark]

no

[uncut dirge]

well, i think 4 person raids hardly count as "massive" anyway

[empty sleet]

also i finally made a use for the level 8 i had randomly

i can now stagger a shit ton slightly faster

[buoyant wagon]

you can't solve gatekeeping without turning the game into a single player game unless you dumb down regular difficulty to the point that even lobotomized apes can clear it, as well as add other routes of progression to the game

[tidal sleet]

i gotta say

lately excav is the most infuriating thing in the game

[cunning mesa]

ig, that kinda sucks

[empty sleet]

you keep fucking up the minigame too?

[uncut dirge]

Well it would still be multiplayer for a lot of content and it's still online

[buoyant wagon]

most games dont have it as bad as lost ark until you get to high end raiding

[tidal sleet]

no i have minigame shovel

[buoyant wagon]

which already self segregates the tryhards from the average players

[teal herald]

but shaco skin

[tidal sleet]

the cd, the competing, lack of channels

[buoyant wagon]

also most other games have other ways to progress

[tidal sleet]

all of its shit

[uncut dirge]

I've never played a game that was as bad with gatekeeping as lost ark

[tidal sleet]

why do I have to compete for a fucking life skill

[steel minnow]

Bro this is not a solo game

[empty sleet]

oh

[cunning mesa]

i have all but last one XD

[empty sleet]

my only issue is i keep getting 2/3 on the fucking minigame because im

[uncut dirge]

It's an MMO, which means most of your play time is solo

[steel minnow]

Iys a fcking mmo not singleplayer

[teal herald]

skin for taliyah

[cunning mesa]

i dont even play taliyah

[urban obsidian]

lfgggg

[teal herald]

but i do on adc

[cunning mesa]

i play shaco, karma mostly

[uncut dirge]

RuneScape is a lot more MMO than almost every other MMO out there and yet 99% of your play time is solo

[buoyant wagon]

you can still buy your gear in wow though

even if you get gatekept from mythic+

that's not the point

the point is you can still progress

[steel minnow]

Bro u cant compare these games ...

[buoyant wagon]

while getting gatekept

[empty sleet]

if people looked at my gear i would be fucked

[buoyant wagon]

you cant progress if you get gatekept in lost ark

[steel minnow]

Runescape u dont even play

U jusy afk whole day

[supple parrot]

Sure u can

[empty sleet]

i am pretty easy to gatekeep if you going off quality

[faint grove]

denied

[steel minnow]

Ok noone gatekeps quality usually only wep

[buoyant wagon]

i mean, there are plenty of players who care not for high mythic+ keys or raiding

and just gear up only and do random casual shit

[empty sleet]

that wep costs too much for my luck to bother touching

[buoyant wagon]

that's actually the bulk of any mmo playerbase lol

no matter what people still want to gear up

[empty sleet]

i just wanna do my normal raids and call it a day but cant get into a lobby half the time

[buoyant wagon]

because it's progression and progression is fun to them

even if they dont practically put that progression to use

[cedar zealot]

My eyes

[uncut dirge]

Both are MMOs and one is now popular then the other

[frosty sphinx]

Every mmo with raids/teamplay will have some levels of gatekeeping. Players responsibility to go through the motions though.

Its common for someone new to mmos to not understand that tho

[buoyant wagon]

you cant escape from gatekeeping but gatekeeping hurts a lot more here than other mmos

[cedar zealot]

Esther group vs hell busser gamers

[buoyant wagon]

since the only way to progress is raiding

[empty sleet]

so are you saying its my fault for getting gatekept because i dont have los 30?

[buoyant wagon]

as well as the vast majority of gold making

[uncut dirge]

This

[steel minnow]

No

[frosty sphinx]

In wow i went through the same thing for keys as well lol, same in FF to get trials for savage/ult teams

All same shit

[buoyant wagon]

to be fair though in FF

[steel minnow]

Xdd

[buoyant wagon]

savage/ultimate already self segregates players

[uncut dirge]

Man, rs3 sometimes gets as many players online as lost ark even

[buoyant wagon]

they also arent needed for progression (alright, savage gives the bis weapon and some bis armor/accessories but it's essentially meaningless other than to parse a bit higher)

[uncut dirge]

And osrs is like 3x their player count

[steel minnow]

Osrs is garbage

[buoyant wagon]

extreme trial gatekeeping doesnt really happen

other than duty complete

[uncut dirge]

They're the people who will tell you to play on your own time

There's no rush bro

[frosty sphinx]

Extreme and under is all casual stuff so yea theres a ton of accessible content still

[buoyant wagon]

anyone who looks up logs for extreme trials other than maybe farm party in the first week or two is a fucking idiot

[uncut dirge]

Just take a break bro

[empty sleet]

i wanna see what happened

[buoyant wagon]

yeah you dont need to do savage/ultimate to progress gear

[slender crater]

Sure baited

[steel minnow]

Make ur own lobbiee it helps

[buoyant wagon]

you can just run roulettes and cap tomestones and get the latest ilvl bar the weapon

and you can even go grind relic for actual bis late into expansion

[uncut dirge]

Imo you should have to clear hell every week to progress your gear

[empty sleet]

how to give 99% of your community raid fatigue

[uncut dirge]

I'm joking

[slender crater]

[steel minnow]

Hahahahhaaha

[uncut dirge]

It would mean people quit because they can't progress

[steel minnow]

That wss funny

[frosty sphinx]

Hell modes will definitely get phased out after akkan maybe if we even get that

[empty sleet]

btw what purpose does this serve

[uncut dirge]

Hell brel is funny

[steel minnow]

Hell mode is niche content anyway

[slender crater]

That secret code

Hell themine

[uncut dirge]

G5 stays in hell

[frosty sphinx]

Hell mode is already broken with removing gates that are in the hell modes lol

[uncut dirge]

Ye

[urban obsidian]

how sthat broken

[frosty sphinx]

Super backwards

[urban obsidian]

hell is seperate from normal raids

[steel minnow]

No i dont agree with u here

[empty sleet]

cant practice something that simply doesn't exist to get it nailed prior to hell progging

[charred void]

there is baby mode nobody uses because no rewards

[steel minnow]

Hell nodes should neber get same nerfs as normal lol

[frosty sphinx]

Its the same fight you learn in the normal/hard mode

[frosty sphinx]

?

[uncut dirge]

Hard mode is not a difficulty setting though

[slender crater]

I am glad hell exists tbh, some people that like raiding and have a lot of time can be on their own place

[steel minnow]

But it is like this allready??

[uncut dirge]

You should treat it as the next step in progression

[buoyant wagon]

hell is fine as a difficulty, problem is the opportunity cost of progging hell as well as paltry rewards mean it has less engagement than the low engagement it has

[cedar zealot]

I just got full 9s, good enough till thaemine nm

[steel minnow]

I mean if theyxremoving gates they should keep hell mode same as it was before if u know what i mean

[uncut dirge]

With the eac issues I can never do hell mode properly

[frosty sphinx]

Im saying a new player will never get to do g5 unless its in hell while anyone playing til now got to do g5 plenty . Same as vykas g1

[steel minnow]

Okay and?

[frosty sphinx]

@steel minnow

[uncut dirge]

I would legit uninstall if I eac'd in hell mode

[steel minnow]

Yea i get it

[uncut dirge]

And Amazon is never fixing the eac issues

[frosty sphinx]

It just doesnt make much sense progression wise

[steel minnow]

I mean u really think anyone will miss that shit?

Lool

[frosty sphinx]

?

Idc about the normal mode and the removal of the gates bro lol

[steel minnow]

I dont think normal modes shouldnt have wipes

[frosty sphinx]

Youre so off

[lean pewter]

Scalp, you didn't stream in forever so I gave my prime to someone

[frosty sphinx]

Im saying it affects the hell mode and how people will progress it

[buoyant wagon]

numerous raid wipes in normal mode is bad for the game

[uncut dirge]

Normal modes are fine as they are

[steel minnow]

Am i really? Ur saying that a new player will only be able to experience gate 1 vykas and gate 5 brel in hard mode and i dont see anything wrong with that

[uncut dirge]

But clown sucks let's not do more clown

[frosty sphinx]

They can gut normal mode content for all i care

[empty sleet]

holy i finally found another striker with deathblow

[steel minnow]

Lets make the game more wheelchair friendly

[uncut dirge]

Hard mode clown when

[buoyant wagon]

normal mode should be wheelchair friendly

raiding is the only way to progress in this game

[steel minnow]

Okay and?

[charred void]

wheelchairs pay the most?

[buoyant wagon]

plus there's a hard mode, and extreme is something they are looking to continue

[uncut dirge]

Hell Argos when

[steel minnow]

With ur thinking why dont we just give everyine 1mil gold

[buoyant wagon]

unfortunate that hell mode is getting discontinued but low engagement = not worth developer's time

[steel minnow]

For free no nerd to raid anynore

If its so easy

[delicate sandal]

extreme clown

[cedar zealot]

If nm raids were faceroll and gave the same gear (at slower pace) then people would feel less of an urge to swipe

[frosty sphinx]

Extreme is just a “harder” mode and easier for them to do cause theres no balance whatsoever

[empty sleet]

i would love another abyss raid

[steel minnow]

In december

Abyssal dungeon doe

[buoyant wagon]

i mean, do you want to bleed the game of more players and continue to have shit retention rates because the average casual gets facerolled in "normal" difficulty

[uncut dirge]

Argos hurts more than legion commanders

[buoyant wagon]

face high levels of gatekeeping/toxicity

[empty sleet]

abyssals lame because you have to actually do stuff though

[uncut dirge]

Because Argos does % hp damage

[empty sleet]

[buoyant wagon]

and have their progression kneecapped

[empty sleet]

i just want simple things i can do for gold lol

[buoyant wagon]

then by all means, sure if that's the game you want

[cedar zealot]

I don't mind nm being easier, as long as smilegate gets enough $ to keep the servers up

[uncut dirge]

Argos will fuck you up even when you're 1600 ilvl

[steel minnow]

But if we keep simplyfying the game the average skill of a player will fall so low

Its allready bad giys

Xdddd

[slender crater]

You got 3 extra life in argos

[uncut dirge]

Unless you Kill him in 5 hits

[charred void]

ye its a video game

[buoyant wagon]

they make their money from pheons, people rerolling, skins, and the top whales whaling

[frosty sphinx]

Without alternate gear acquisition its not sustainable

[delicate sandal]

because the higher tier raids arent getting nerfed

[steel minnow]

Clearly not u since when those players get to the "hard" difficulty they sre just gonna be useless

[uncut dirge]

First they need to fix the early game

[cedar zealot]

What happened to chaos dungeon gear in early t3

[empty sleet]

its already like that

[cedar zealot]

That was a nice system

But then they deleted it

[uncut dirge]

Putting new players through G spam with piss easy content for 20 hours is a good way to turn new players off

[buoyant wagon]

or they can just stay in normal if they let you progress just fine in normal but at a slightly slower pace

just look at akkan

[uncut dirge]

Power passes make it even worse

[cobalt hazel]

if a good normal difficulty is maintained, they never need to "get to" hard difficulty and can just keep progressing

[steel minnow]

Bro i dont wanna login go do akkan and get jailed by fckers

[buoyant wagon]

most people arent rushing to do hard akkan because there's no real compelling reason to

[cobalt hazel]

at most it'll just take them an extra month or two to get full set

which wont really matter in the long run

[empty sleet]

i feel like im allowed to complain because of the shit i've been through past 7 days alone

[still lintel]

well dogsniffer + leap essence wasnt worth it

[steel minnow]

Is it not?

[charred void]

true, just catapult them into endgame as fast as possible, that wont make them quit faster as if the modern wow questing experience is any better if you start from 0 as new player

[cedar zealot]

Smilegate listen to the hardcore KR gamers when balancing content

[steel minnow]

But thats what is allready going on doe

[buoyant wagon]

you need the game to be "free" to an extent if you want to keep and retain new players because the average player is casual and not very good at the game

[cobalt hazel]

meanwhile smilegate looks at average player stats when balancing classes

[steel minnow]

But bro the players are the problem xddd not the raids

[cobalt hazel]

rip CO summoner

[empty sleet]

there is one thing to relaxing, there is another thing to not be trying at the slightest

[steel minnow]

The raids are easy lets be real here guys

[frosty sphinx]

Catering to hardcore players only kills the game, but devs have ego too

[empty sleet]

where my buff then

[buoyant wagon]

they're easy to people who have many hours to dedicate to the game and a desire to get better

most people arent like that

they dont have the time or commitment to git gud

[cedar zealot]

I remember seeing one of the devs apologize in a livestream for not reworking brel g6 dps holding due to dev ego

[buoyant wagon]

some people simply have slower reflexes due to getting older

[frosty sphinx]

Theres a ton of other stuff related too

[empty sleet]

some people also need multiple clears to be confident in the raid

[buoyant wagon]

you know what game catered to hardcore players only? Wildstar

[cedar zealot]

I also feel like smilegate are understaffed

[buoyant wagon]

do you know where Wildstar is now?

[uneven mortar]

im generally confident from the moment i step into the raid

[cedar zealot]

Wrekk week 1 thaemine prog 18 hours

[charred void]

everyone shitting on diablo 4 but the game is actually good, if you're casual and dont speedrun lvl 100 in 2 days

[frosty sphinx]

I agree to an extent, if they are using all their manpower to bring out a fuck you raid like thaemine they dont have time to make any fun casual contents

[buoyant wagon]

??????

[charred void]

do i like d4? no

does the casual andy like it? yes

[buoyant wagon]

eh

[uneven mortar]

its prolly easier to make a fuck you raid, than building brand new content

[empty sleet]

well with me im generally more focused on dodging when i step into a raid at first since idk what times i can dmg as an ass sniffer without swift

[cunning mesa]

problem is the pricetag

its not a 70€ game

[buoyant wagon]

even the casuals have reached the point where they are finding problems with the game

[empty sleet]

the game was good pre s1 lol

[robust birch]

D4 is for the couch gaming dads

[empty sleet]

d4 just

[cunning mesa]

30-40 would have probably been fair

[buoyant wagon]

the most important thing is, the itemization is fucking bad

[uneven mortar]

a brand new engaging content*

[empty sleet]

has nothing lol

[buoyant wagon]

and the casuals have played enough to realize that

[charred void]

why would you spend 6 months studying poe builds

if you can buy d4 instead and relax

[buoyant wagon]

the casuals also hate the exp changes

they want to level also

[uneven mortar]

you guys know marvel's templatized super hero movies? thats legion raid

same template everytime, from same type of skill

[tidal sleet]

https://tenor.com/view/baby-jesus-dear-lord-will-gif-23054569

[buoyant wagon]

the game still had issues pre season

[cunning mesa]

eh, thaemine was meant to be a raid for hardcore players

[empty sleet]

the only content in the game i felt was doing the story, after its just shitting on the same dungeon over and over because it gives the most xp which allows you to clear

[uneven mortar]

build 23 animations, put some nice music and monster models

[buoyant wagon]

itemization is the single biggest issue of d4

[tidal sleet]

FINALLLY

[buoyant wagon]

the itemization is not interesting, the loot is not fun

[charred void]

who do you think buys hell titles in lost ark? the people with hands? where do they get the gold from..raiding?

[cunning mesa]

but they have to allow casuals to get loot from it

[urban obsidian]

its a krmmo its never going to be catered to na casuals lol

[frosty sphinx]

Not alot of people are doing thaemine normal in kr either

[buoyant wagon]

well they're going to cater to kr casuals eventually

because devs can see the data for playercount and retention is in dire straits when they focus on the hardcore players only

[empty sleet]

i mean look at thaemine

[charred void]

they want nerfed raids because they have 20 characters to run them

[empty sleet]

i dont blame the casual kr's not wanting to do it lol

[buoyant wagon]

they're taking steps in the right direction at least, has yet to be seen what their full plans are

[frosty sphinx]

Like the jumpstart server?

[buoyant wagon]

i meant in KR

[empty sleet]

btw when will we see the balance patch KR is getting soon?

6 months?

[buoyant wagon]

i personally still think jumpstart was a shit idea

[urban obsidian]

[buoyant wagon]

though it looks like it's less of a disaster than i imagined it would be

naw jumpstart is kind of though from what i've heard

[charred void]

its for testing how players react to "fresh" servers

[frosty sphinx]

Should worry about the state of NA not korea, they will always have a different game

[teal herald]

october for kr january for us

[empty sleet]

i only like it because i dont have to spend money to try out a character

[charred void]

eu jumpstart server is extremely alive

[buoyant wagon]

the real test for jumpstart is to look at player retention numbers a couple months after merge

[empty sleet]

god im still so far away lol

[charred void]

people who say that you have to grind "so much horizontal" on jumpstart/fresh servers are clueless what they actually need to grind

[rugged lynx]

@empty sleet are you 1540 yet

[frosty sphinx]

Horizontal is sg premier casual content theyd never give it free

[empty sleet]

i am

[rugged lynx]

you are?

[unkempt maple]

neither are really that required to play the game, though I agree they need to cut down on the grind for both if they want a true jumpstart for casuals

[empty sleet]

[teal herald]

serenade does it everyday

[buoyant wagon]

the actual change they really need is to just fucking delete level 50-60 in the whole game

[empty sleet]

even cleared kaya

[buoyant wagon]

it serves no real purpose

[gleaming pendant]

the only fairly quickly balance patch is this only one that we just had in sep.

[dim lark]

clear deez

[unkempt maple]

it is a jump start to the endgame though

[empty sleet]

they better not, i need these on my main

[charred void]

this is 2 weeks of "work" its a support yes so sp doesnt matter

[frosty sphinx]

There wouldnt be much playtime if they gave both ilvl and sp

[urban obsidian]

or just

[charred void]

do you even know how many skillpoints you get from collectibles?

[urban obsidian]

do some horizontals and actually play the game

like ur supposed to

[charred void]

like, do you ACTUALLY know

[dawn yacht]

[unkempt maple]

or just deal with your skills casting marginally slower

until you grind it

[buoyant wagon]

think people would mind horizontal less if it werent tediously boring in this game

[dawn yacht]

fk horizontal man

[urban obsidian]

?

then dont play on jumpstart

[empty sleet]

cant

[frosty sphinx]

New players dont finish horizontals quickly, its a lot of research

[empty sleet]

my last skill point locked behind 1580

[urban obsidian]

its for people who arent invested into the gam enough

[dawn yacht]

did you try honing yet ?

[charred void]

they complain because they have no fucking idea about horizontals they "have" to do and just repeat what every other moron is saying

[empty sleet]

you know, never thought of that

ty for the idea

[urban obsidian]

?

[dawn yacht]

np bro

[urban obsidian]

you're lost scalp

[buoyant wagon]

vertical progression behind horizontal is kind of shitty in my opinion

[urban obsidian]

you have no clue what im saying

[buoyant wagon]

let vertical be vertical

[teal herald]

clueless

[buoyant wagon]

horizontal be horizontal

[dawn yacht]

[urban obsidian]

bro ur fucking stupid

[empty sleet]

this, why do i gotta get so far into the game to finish my horizontal content

[slender crater]

https://tenor.com/view/secant-line-converging-to-tangent-line-animation-gif-18716967

[urban obsidian]

i said dont play on jumpstart

[buoyant wagon]

horizontal should contribute to progression for itself and at most make gold that can be used for both horizontal and vertical

[urban obsidian]

if you already invested enough into normal servers play on it

you dont have to redo everything on jumpstart

just dont play on jumpstart

[empty sleet]

speaking of gold for horizontal im curious

[gleaming pendant]

tbf they really should shrink or make few of the skill points more easily accessible which I presume they are looking into easing it for newcomers

[urban obsidian]

they should yes

but complaining about it is stupid

[empty sleet]

ah yeah ok nvm lol

[cunning mesa]

[buoyant wagon]

2nd purple wealth behind 34 sea bounties is also pretty bad

[dawn yacht]

[unkempt maple]

like personally im never redoing tome on jumpstart, so id like some skipperino

[cunning mesa]

runes are quite easy to get now at least

[empty sleet]

yeah the 2nd wealth being that far is fucked

[teal herald]

its easy to get

[frosty sphinx]

Key word “redoing” new players dont re do it

[empty sleet]

[cunning mesa]

tome is ez

[unkempt maple]

i didnt even fully do it before, definitely aint trying again

[cunning mesa]

i have like 10-11 igneas

[teal herald]

i have 2

[buoyant wagon]

regardless of your individual opinions on horizontal, fact of the matter is that it's pretty clear that it's a top concern for many new/returning players

[empty sleet]

thing with horizontal is

you cant really grind it

[cunning mesa]

get purple purify

[empty sleet]

its more of how many days can you sink into it

[teal herald]

for what

[cunning mesa]

idk

[dawn yacht]

self torture that crap is not really grind

[urban obsidian]

dont then

farm your top guardian

[dawn yacht]

[buoyant wagon]

eh galewind in guardians isnt a horizontal issue

it's an rng issue

[urban obsidian]

ive gotten a glaewind a day

nearly every time on jumpstart

[dawn yacht]

wtf

[urban obsidian]

[empty sleet]

you =/= everyone else

[urban obsidian]

i know like 10 other people who also had the same outcome

[buoyant wagon]

galewind from guardians is far less egregious than omnium from field boss for example

[urban obsidian]

^

[dawn yacht]

even on main i got my leg gale after 197 deska runs

[buoyant wagon]

because you can actually grind it if you want

[teal herald]

day 385529 still no galewind from sonavel

[empty sleet]

like i got my legendary gale from desk in 3 kills back then, but thats because i was lucky

[dawn yacht]

maybe next year

[buoyant wagon]

galewind took me about a month of daily tree to get it

[slender crater]

[teal herald]

time to run sona 50 times

[gleaming pendant]

probably yea, I killed 100+ sonavel so far.

[empty sleet]

another thing for 1580 just to have the chance to get

[neon cedar]

I got deska galewind first try I still havent bothered with tree

[dawn yacht]

[cedar zealot]

I only did sonavel once

[buoyant wagon]

galewind isnt really horizontal when it's tied to vertical content

like i said, it's a separate issue with rng

[dawn yacht]

why you slacking ?

[slender crater]

yea, gale is vertical rng

[cedar zealot]

Can't be bothered with guardians anymore

[empty sleet]

speaking of guardians

do i even bother with monkey lol

[charred void]

i started gatekeeping non-legendary skin users need to keep the gatekeeping fresh in this game

[buoyant wagon]

you can argue the same thing with esther stones

[dawn yacht]

its not like its gonna take 20min per

[cedar zealot]

Some people like monkey

[buoyant wagon]

it's an rng drop from vertical content related to vertical progression

[empty sleet]

monkey sure does a ton of dmg for a guardian lol

[dawn yacht]

2 deska runs a day keep the doctor away

[buoyant wagon]

i mean, i agree that locking galewind behind rng is pretty shit

[unkempt maple]

also galewind doesnt restrict a build really

[cedar zealot]

Can't gatekeep me anymore @charred void

[unkempt maple]

wealth runes are a worse offender

[cedar zealot]

[buoyant wagon]

yeah wealth runes are cancer

[frosty sphinx]

There shouldve been a guardian raid vendor like legion raids

[empty sleet]

if i didnt have leg gale my skill would take 2 years to cast

[buoyant wagon]

builds are actually bricked on jumpstart because of wealth rune gating

[lean pewter]

kakul on jumpstart is wild

[charred void]

lagoon island is 100% droprate epic wealth rune, you can get the legendary wealth rune in 0-21 days, the one from sea bounty is cancer, yes

[frosty sphinx]

Grind + 100% is better than rng

[empty sleet]

how did you not get mvp for battle items how many did you mfs use lol

[unkempt maple]

im playing a class that uses 7 galewinds, my build is very much still functional despite not having close to that

[buoyant wagon]

i wasnt referring to the first epic one

[cedar zealot]

If there were some non RNG rewards I could grind out from guardians besides some leaps, I would have done them

[empty sleet]

i wont mind another jump start if it comes with a power pass

[cedar zealot]

Even after the recent change I still don't feel like doing them

[empty sleet]

i wanna try more classes lol

[buoyant wagon]

0-21 days until someone can actually play their build on a jumpstart server is a fucking terrible design

[lean pewter]

they don't "need" it scalp, it just makes rotation smoother, for some people that 8-16% is not even that noticeable

[empty sleet]

this why i made a slayer

dont need no wealths

[lean pewter]

some classes that actually need to fit stuff into rotation might need it

[unkempt maple]

yeah im just saying wealth is way worse because your rotation literally doesnt work

[lean pewter]

but not really all, you can do just fine on mayhem or predator without them

you just gotta account for it

[empty sleet]

you know what you guys should do?

[charred void]

this is 3 weeks on regular nae server, not jumpstart

[empty sleet]

try deathblow striker on jump start without runes

[cedar zealot]

Should have gone for zerk, oh well, still picked a shushire class so u good

[empty sleet]

booba

[unkempt maple]

many rng things could be 'solved' with <vendor that has tokens based on # of kills>

[empty sleet]

just followed icy's advice

[frosty sphinx]

The issue is really things being rng. I dont think people mind grinding out stuff if they know the end goal

Like legion raid sets etc

[buoyant wagon]

you're also a veteran player who knows what to do, also rng varies between players

[neon cedar]

0 mokokos, time to step it up

[charred void]

not gonna pick that shit up

[buoyant wagon]

that's what ff14 has with mounts

[gleaming pendant]

a lot of people I know got it within 10 runs

[neon cedar]

But they give off a gentle and pleasent aroma

[frosty sphinx]

If you had to kill moake 30 times for omnion sure. But maybe 100? Hell no

[buoyant wagon]

if you arent lucky enough to drop the mount and win the roll, you can just grind enough tokens to trade in

lost ark needs that

[empty sleet]

i can see some free taps

[buoyant wagon]

there's a reason why that game is successful

[cedar zealot]

I kinda liked the horizontal content in gw2

[empty sleet]

also

[buoyant wagon]

it has the right ideas down for casual players

[charred void]

ff14 was great at release, still have my beta account

[unkempt maple]

gw2 collections were pretty good

[cedar zealot]

Story was decent, map completion was fun

[charred void]

slash joke

[empty sleet]

why is elgacia so laggy lol

[past ginkgo]

Horizontal in Lost Ark sucks tbh

[rugged lynx]

is it just me or is it also very bright to look at

[buoyant wagon]

lost ark was never going to be beyond a niche game though given that its a kmmo

[unkempt maple]

people collecting 1302 mokokos are insane

[frosty sphinx]

Totems in ff was too good lol

Got spoiled af

[buoyant wagon]

its a reasonable system

[frosty sphinx]

Yea its fair

[neon cedar]

Collecting mokokos is easy Just do a run through a continent for all horizontal at the same time, its fast and easy

[charred void]

people actually like wow combat

[cedar zealot]

I never even set foot into raids, I need vertical progression or I lose interest quick, just did fractals for a month or two and later quit

[empty sleet]

eh, i think its just your settings

[charred void]

there is way more clunkier shit on the market

[rugged lynx]

at the main area

[empty sleet]

honing?

[charred void]

ofc is la combat better than wow, but wow has not bad combat

[cedar zealot]

La combat is the best there is imo, even when compared to bdo

[buoyant wagon]

gw2 was a great casual mmo on release

[empty sleet]

which area is very bright

[buoyant wagon]

exploring the world was fun

nacsent wvw was also some of the most fun ive had in a mmo

game sort of went to shit when anet couldnt figure out what they wanted out of the game

[buoyant wagon]

too bad it's the only good thing the game has other than the few raids

[empty sleet]

i think that deadeye guy died

[buoyant wagon]

[cedar zealot]

I quit a few days after they came out with a new living world episode

I dont remember but think they took 2-3 months

And I burned through it in a day

Literally 100% the map

[buoyant wagon]

most asian mmos have booba

[empty sleet]

soon to be 150

[buoyant wagon]

not special of lost ark to have it

[empty sleet]

whale?

[woeful smelt]

If half moon souleater a back attacker?

[cedar zealot]

Just need 50 more levels

[charred void]

yes whale, average whale is roster 60 ilvl 1640, youre roster 149 🐳

[frosty sphinx]

Bns was peak mmo combat

[empty sleet]

wanna know what i like?

[buoyant wagon]

ah bns

[buoyant wagon]

another game that was all combat and nothing else

[empty sleet]

i would get the stronghold fucker as well but cant be bothered

[neon cedar]

The local whale on my server almsot has 3 1600's and is roster 71

[empty sleet]

i was gonna say i should just do tower on alts real quick to get levels but all my usable characters are supports

[uncut dirge]

surely stella will give me her omnium star today

[cedar zealot]

I'm still surprised on how ncsoft are still in business. They ran almost every good mmo they had to the ground

[empty sleet]

damn i kinda like this glow more than the one i have lol

[frosty sphinx]

Mobile games id imagine

[uncut dirge]

i mean ncsoft has been around for a long time

sheer momentum will keep them going

[cedar zealot]

Aion was my first mmo and I played that on and off for 6-7 years

[uncut dirge]

and lineage 1 and 2 are still both popular in korea

[frosty sphinx]

Ya they may have bad business practice but they pump out cash grabs

[uncut dirge]

also lineage mobile games

made more money than all their other MMOs combined

[empty sleet]

every time i hear whale for some reason i keep going back to when shroud paid 2k to get to argos or valtan meanwhile he just came back to the game and got passed that for free lol

[charred void]

i had server/region or whatever probably first beshumdir hardmode clear on release on my chanter

[buoyant wagon]

whaling early on in a mmo is always inefficient because of inevitable catchup mechanics

[uncut dirge]

well for koreans

[buoyant wagon]

not that people care though

they got their enjoyment out of being ahead early

[uncut dirge]

a lineage mobile MMO would be the equivalent of a world of warcraft mobile MMO releasing

actually, no, the korean one was probably more high profile

[buoyant wagon]

it cost over 1m rmb to get to 1575 in china lost ark

[uncut dirge]

since they hadn't pulled a diablo immortal move like blizzard yet

[unkempt maple]

probably made it back in the same stream so nbd

[buoyant wagon]

in half a year, people will be 1575 with minimal spending

[empty sleet]

his chat wont let him forget it

[uncut dirge]

why is Stella like this

[unkempt maple]

DFO whales

[uncut dirge]

i visit her every day to beat her up

and she still wont' give me her star

[buoyant wagon]

his chat is braindead for thinking shroud cares about spending 20k to do argos

he makes several million a year

[uncut dirge]

it still seems wasteful though

but more importantly it means he doesn't build up the skills

[empty sleet]

he brought it up once during his sponsored stream

wym he's already spent money lol

[buoyant wagon]

wasting 20k for someone like shroud is not the same as wasting 20k for the average person

it's a rounding error for him

[charred void]

chuan says everyday he is f2p

[empty sleet]

he bought a skin 30 min on the game

[uncut dirge]

i think that's fine

[buoyant wagon]

when you are that rich

[uncut dirge]

he gives back to the game

[buoyant wagon]

it's very hard to ever play a game completely f2p

because whenever there is an inconvenience you can just bypass it with money

and the money is irrelevant

[empty sleet]

i doubt he will swipe especially with brel gear being a limiter

once he finds out you need to play for weeks to get a gear set he wont be on for long lol

[buoyant wagon]

all that matters is if he likes the game enough to want to spend for convenience

he's not going to play the game long term anyways

[charred void]

wtf is this

[uncut dirge]

it will cost 30k raw gold to get to 1540

[buoyant wagon]

it's the same with celebrity whale chinese streamers dropping hundreds of thousands on a game

then quitting after a few months to play another game to do the same

[uncut dirge]

it's an aeromancer

[urban obsidian]

fuck you

[sharp lotus]

aeromncer

[charred void]

move your ass over

[uncut dirge]

you do not own a stronghold

what

[urban obsidian]

[empty sleet]

personally i dont see him spending money, once he finishes clown he will look into brel and see the gear set shit and that guy dont usually get very attached to games lol

[urban obsidian]

fine ill come join yours

[buoyant wagon]

bruh, shroud is a multimillionaire

[gleaming pendant]

reject him fayten

alpha move

[buoyant wagon]

he does not care about spending efficiency or getting his worth

if he spontaneously wants to spend just because

he's going to do it

[unkempt maple]

i dont even watch shroud but that dude does get attached to games

[empty sleet]

he listens to chat a lot

[unkempt maple]

he's a massive grinder

[keen copper]

[buoyant wagon]

he has cs2 coming out officially soon

[empty sleet]

when he can just get on for fun yeah

[buoyant wagon]

there's no way he's committing to something like lost ark full time

[empty sleet]

like he played that one vampire game because he could hop on at any moment and just grind

[gleaming pendant]

b-b-b-b-but streamer is wasting money!!!!

[violet finch]

[buoyant wagon]

[unkempt maple]

he's grinded both this and wow for months before idk

[cedar zealot]

[unkempt maple]

he can just get consoomed

[buoyant wagon]

because he actually has a lot of streamer friends who play wow

[gleaming pendant]

instead of getting 1:5 he's getting 1:1 !!!!!

this is wastage!!!

[violet finch]

I derped

[buoyant wagon]

there arent that many big western streamers playing lost ark lol

also wow is more appealing of a game in general

[cedar zealot]

RMT

@urban obsidian

[empty sleet]

he does, during the time i've watched he's asked questions for chat

[violet finch]

Ugli

[empty sleet]

like chat had to tell him 90% of what to do when he got back lol

[unkempt maple]

i mean the reason he stopped playing LA originally is because he was playing too much apparently so

idk

[buoyant wagon]

game is niche for a reason lol

[unkempt maple]

possible he said more than one thing

[urban obsidian]

fym rmt

[cedar zealot]

My express character is 1500

Yours is 1570

[urban obsidian]

skill issue?
idk

[cedar zealot]

[buoyant wagon]

there's also nothing to do in lost ark if you dont play a lot of characters

[cedar zealot]

Money issue

[urban obsidian]

?

ive not spent a single dime

[buoyant wagon]

which further increases the time commitment of the game but for different reasons

[urban obsidian]

on my aero

[cedar zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/side-eye-dog-suspicious-look-suspicious-doubt-dog-doubt-gif-23680990

Wrong gif

[buoyant wagon]

game lacks content so the content is artificially lengthened by repeating it on alts

[sharp lotus]

f2p btw since last month

[cedar zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/doomer-doomer-sad-depressed-gif-15543940

[buoyant wagon]

which incidentally also are needed to maximize gold gain

[unkempt maple]

it's a shame there's nothing you can really just grind for meaningful outcomes, like m+ in wow is repeatable ad infinitum more or less

[empty sleet]

i mean they're not entirely incorrect

[unkempt maple]

lost ark i end up sitting around for stuff to do

[empty sleet]

you get no gold if you dont have 6 alts lol

[sharp lotus]

practice your gatekeeping

[buoyant wagon]

not a surprise someone who is a variety streamer like shroud and primarily an ex-fps gamer wont like it in the long run

[empty sleet]

unless you get super lucky or swipe

[dull obsidian]

LOL another game got EOS

[charred void]

true, you need to play 24 characters to keep up with the endgame

[buoyant wagon]

oh no

[sharp lotus]

the game is doing you weekly chores as fast as you can then wait for next week

[buoyant wagon]

not the destiny child booba

[charred void]

i play video games to maximize gold gain

[buoyant wagon]

then again, nikke is the new destiny child

[unkempt maple]

shroud is as much an mmo fan as fps

[buoyant wagon]

yeah, but most mmo fans would rather play something like wow or ff14

instead of some rng p2w kmmo grinder

[dull obsidian]

I too would be 1600 if I didn't push so many 1580s

[empty sleet]

you should give me some of them characters

[sharp lotus]

nikke has 2b though

[cedar zealot]

Next one that should go is nikke

Cringe game

[sharp lotus]

when will lost ask get 2b

toobs

[cedar zealot]

Isn't there a budget 2b preset

[empty sleet]

yeah

[buoyant wagon]

yoko taro is the most based game dev

[gleaming pendant]

https://tenor.com/view/yuuka-explain-gif-4177328825443096175

[frosty sphinx]

Damn several streaming g5 groups now

[buoyant wagon]

when asked about 2b ass being sexualized

he said to just send him the pictures on twitter

[empty sleet]

thats a huge mistake on his end lol

[frosty sphinx]

Why