Firearm Jamming !?

[hushed sphinx]

devs have said flat out no

[ornate nexus]

This was discussed a long time ago , the answer was "never"

#🚨┃nmrih2-discussion message

[deep sable]

damn

[gentle cradle]

This is a good suggestion in my opinion

NMRIH's design philosophy was always about depowering the player so that teamwork was not just motivated but mandatory

Putting some of these mechanics where the player is depowered in a random way would make even the most confident of players careful

Though, I understand that NMRIH2 is not a succesor of NMRIH1 😆

[ornate nexus]

Good luck convincing Maxx and cenelder to implement that , they literally hate it

[gentle cradle]

Makes sense

It takes away power from the player themselves and more to rng

Maxx has always been vocal about games taking control away from the player

I honestly believe that he is one of the people that hates random crits in tf2

[forest bobcat]

Jamming doesn’t work for this game. Either every weapon would be trash that jams like it’s made max or they’d have to add a condition system which would necessarily complicate things.

[torpid schooner]

One way to get this added:

Yes, rust can significantly increase the likelihood of a gun jamming. Rust creates friction and drag on moving parts, hindering their smooth operation. Additionally, rust can cause parts to wear down prematurely, leading to malfunctions. A rusted gun may also have difficulty feeding rounds, extracting spent casings, or ejecting spent casings, all of which can cause a jam.

Generally, if a gun looks fine, it's the most annoying thing if it doesn't always work. So the first thing we need is that the gun doesn't look well.

Maybe a 5 % spawn chance for a rusted gun. It must be visible that the gun is rusted, so you can prepare yourself for the jamming or ignore it. Combine it with the other suggestion about throwing weapons.

1. Find visibly rusted gun
2. Equip rusted gun
3. Load and use it
4. It will jam with a 100 % chance to not work anymore
5. Unload gun
6. Throw it at someone's head

[last sentinel]

Yup, agree with this part. This isn't the game for it. Hard pass

[forest bobcat]

I swear to god tarkov is a blight to every genre with fire arms do people not understand how negligent or how shit your guns have to be to jame like you see in any of these games.

[tender light]

God no

[torpid schooner]

Basic reason for people to reject this is that nobody wants annoying shit in game. We have shit IRL such as jamming and games are meant to be enjoyable, at least most of them.

I came up with the idea because you find a lot of weapons outside of loot boxes, and they would be in poorer condition

That is the core thing OP suggested.

While jamming sucks, I would say yes to items with a crap condition that are visibly crap, so we decide to get creative and use malfunctioning trash to our advantage. Spawn chance for trash must be very low or else it gets annoying.

[sick silo]

we don't need malfunctioning trash, we just need trash
and the existing low tier weapons fill that niche very well

[deep sable]

after i read ur suggestions to my topic ive seen its a society based thing, some ppl are so bad they wouldnt keep up with more difficulty, some just not intrested bcause it exists in real life (how ever that stay in contact with it) others would love more functions that bring realism to the game, but i have the feeling that most ppl here didnt read the part where i wrote That could be a mechanic for a higher diffculty mode so its not meant for the base game. however i stay to that and maybe some future EXTRA MODES it could bring up extra adrenaline

[deep sable]

love that or used by dead npcs laying next to them bodys !?

[deep sable]

i dont get that answer, its a game, and every game is beatable its just a matter of skill

[deep sable]

would be no problem with dev servers

[sick silo]

if you want players to be able to overcome challenges with skill, the challenges should be consistent and predictable, like ammo scarcity, reduced weapon damage, or an overheating mechanic
guns just having a % to jam isn't predictable and can easily be more frustrating than enjoyable to play around

[deep sable]

i dont think so, when u ever played dayz u know what i mean, it brings a lot of stress with it, and thats awesome

[forest bobcat]

Dayz is a average 5h experience at average bro these games ain’t the same

[deep sable]

it was an example not more not less bro

[rose spear]

Not a huge fan of the idea, just seems like artifical difficulty to me just for the sake of screwing with players

[forest bobcat]

It’s more rng to screw over the player and interrupt game play

[deep sable]

u thing a little to far, theyre actually people who enjoy more realism couldnt believe it myself

[ornate nexus]

my guy jam is not happening in this game , especially if the ex project lead hated the idea

[forest bobcat]

Jamming. Isn’t. Realistic. It is so gd hard to get a gun to Jam like we’ve seen in every media you’ve referenced without the utmost negligence.

[rose spear]

The game is also only a week into outbreak so there isnt enough time for guns to get that bad of a quality

[forest bobcat]

Unless infected are going out of their way to piss down the gun barrel they should be fine

[rose spear]

Not to mention factories and half the US is still uninfected so quality and maintenance is still there

[deep sable]

idk what u hear but i dont even thing its a thing for tommorow or next week, maybe next year idk

[rose spear]

Bro in game it now says day 7, day 8, etc

[deep sable]

so the world isnt in the mid of a apokalypse in the lore, and the weapons u could and its a big could, find are used and mudy, rusty, old. than theyre jamming yeah. but if u say it

[forest bobcat]

Do you know the shelf life of a gun bro

The only reason dayz weapon condition sucks as is its war saw stashed sitting around for generations and trash hand me down rounds. Mixed with the environments we loot.

[deep sable]

relax it’s not a blood pact just a game idea

[sick silo]

i think you're trying to shoehorn mechanics from other games into this one without considering if those mechanics would actually fit this game and improve its systems

[forest bobcat]

We’ve already high lighted why it doesn’t fit it’s like asking for gun jams on ready or not

[sick silo]

matches take 20 minutes, you get in and get out, there's no time to be fiddling with weapon conditions or rng jamming

[deep sable]

its not meant to be from other :GAMES: its a real life mechanic, so i cant steal that idea

[forest bobcat]

Mentions real life. Doesn’t understand the real life mechanics.

[deep sable]

thats a point but if u read my idea, i also wrote it could be something for diffrend modes, higher difficulty, so not griping into the base game

[deep sable]

crazy toxicnes XD

i u say so take it XD

[forest bobcat]

Bro you’ve been educated your ignorance is what’s leading you to feel attacked if you want realism the guns shouldn’t jam 😂

[deep sable]

k

[forest bobcat]

It ain’t that long in your looting fallen infrastructure not rusts scrap yards the conditions we find weapons wouldn’t make sense

[deep sable]

k, whatever i say u cunter argou, soooo k

XD gets funnier every sec, i love this community

[forest bobcat]

Yeah it’s called a counter argument to state the facts to someone unaware or manipulating them

[deep sable]

but whats the point with an extra mode, u didnt go on that

it didnt effect the base game

maybe goes longer is wider, harder

a extra map for that

and extra packt adrenaline

[forest bobcat]

It still wouldn’t make sense nightmare mode makes you work with less and fights stronger environments not introducing new mechanics to further steal control. Plus that addition of a advanced control stealing mechanic is uncharacteristic of the game

[deep sable]

new things are not always bad, i really understand ur point and the charismatic touch the game offers, but with many new things they could be loved or either hated, in every case u can remove mechanics or just try it out without anyone get hurt

[deep sable]

.

[sick silo]

if you want bad guns, we already have those, one was just added
rusted guns are for Far Cry

[forest bobcat]

why are you dying on this hill this is legit none characteristc of what the game legit is for this is more your own fantasy vs a attempt at improvement of the games mechanics

[deep sable]

and what is so bad about when the devs offers sugestions and i who is just someone with ideas, brings a suggestion, maybe some stuff dont fit in the world view for others, same for me, but i always give em a try. and no im notdying on this, just defending my point, thats what a sugestion is about in my opinion

could be fun, could be shit. thats right. we dont know. but it could be a charm

[forest bobcat]

yeah the community your suggesting to is easily rebuking your statements and you are not adapting or learning from their counter logic in your statements at all. It quite appears this is even a outside suggestion

I can counter this with your reallife arguement youve brought up even simplify it for why this wont fit

1.Shooting leads to carbone build up--> without cleaning this could lead to a jam scenarios---> issue with that is guns are made stand reliably the ammount of round output needed for this is greater then the output of a players match. So thats off the table.

[deep sable]

oh no we dismiss each other, i accept and listen, its not like ill blocking everything, but making a barrel out of it wasnt my intention, the rest u addet to id, im open mindet to every sugestion or, old based community opinions

[deep sable]

when i sayed realistic i not meant a 1 to 1 copy of real life, every game out there hase something that still let it feel like a game, however it real try to be, but with a little imagination, and a sprinkle of were not feared of new stuff. everything could be done

[forest bobcat]

2.Guns have a high shelf life. If its not being used and stored properly its shelf life is long. We get our weapons from weapon stashes in gun safes. The weapons we salvage half outside of that time are even less a few weeks exposed.

[deep sable]

thx for the info m8

[forest bobcat]

3. If you want weapons to start negligibly preped to even that out youd need a cleaning process to negate that something to complex for the mission,simple combat and extraction based game play rn.+ it being more rogue lite based these advanced additions make no sense to the game and a simple perk is meaningless of addition.

[deep sable]

thank u

[deep sable]

thats why i wrote the other two messages

i know that all bud

[forest bobcat]

if you own a gun you should know its more reliable then this also. Finding a gunsafe like we do half the time is like finding a freeze dried food packaging its there to actively environmentally protect the item.

[deep sable]

yup, just wanted to say, when its possibly in RL and i rly hope u get me right now. than bcause this exists, could maybe, with big regulations a future thing for an extra mode where the chance is not 20 percent, like a good lootdrop, 1 out of 14000 u get me and i think thats a reasonable point. could be anyone, anywhere, but the chances are low, very low. bcause yeah dont happen often to modern weapons, but it happens. and with my idea of a world were weapons being used of the survivers lore, laying dead on the ground with theyre shooted out guns next to em im not want to be a villain. and i think thats all for today, hope we can agree on that

[forest bobcat]

maybe if the time line was longer but this is near RON levels of resources rn. There is still actively a organized effort as this is spreading for containment and a larger response.