2d-graphics

[median badger]

blud i'm giving cirtique ?

[undone wharf]

Mm yeah for something that is probably just an art style and criticism isn’t necessarily

[median badger]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/813078853399478282/1120347496380641290/attachment.gif

[undone wharf]

🤨 well structured argument

[median badger]

whatever you say blud

and yes, i have drawn before.

Lmao blud really need to get some of that anger off

[earnest horizon]

hes right about the anatomy being off cuh

i can see it too

the eyes mainly

[snow aurora]

can yall redline over it pls

[median badger]

and the ears, and chin

[snow aurora]

whats wrong with the eats

ears

[median badger]

They look weird

if there elf ears then there supposed to be pointing up.

[snow aurora]

shes a vampire theyre supposed to be droopy

i wanted a droopy elf ear look idk how to explain

[median badger]

if she's a "vampire" then have some blood driping from her mouth or something

to show that

[snow aurora]

its part of a character set im making "valencia the vampire" plus some servers i post in dont allow blood

[earnest horizon]

🥵

[finite ridge]

hi

[undone wharf]

Can you shut up it’s the artists choice who tf you think you are lol? 💀💀

[undone wharf]

Artists choice love ❤️❤️ if everything was structurally correct in art I think it’d be boring as fuck

[median badger]

mate, i'm giving ciritique and suggestions no shit it's the artists choice, but they posted it here so that means there looking for suggestions

[earnest horizon]

We are giving criticism, we’re not trying to force him or her to accept our criticism

If their mind is dead set on that choice then they can just ignore us

[warped terrace]

Why does it matter it’s a style

[warped terrace]

Yea but it’s kinda not needed

The jaw is a little curvy but it’s fine, the ears don’t matter

[median badger]

?

They posted it here so that means there prob need criticism or something ?

[warped terrace]

it’s about the ears it’s part of the character

[median badger]

ok, and i said they "look off"

and same with the chin.

[final tinsel]

rate pls

and ops

[earnest horizon]

I agree with the chin and also the eyes

I can’t rly tell what it is with the eyes

But for me they look off

[earnest horizon]

The concept is really nice but the font could be a lot more cartoony

I feel like the font u used is more professional

[undone wharf]

Hi Claire bear ^^

Ops on sketch

I’m gonna fix the pupils dw

[earnest horizon]

Cool

[stable sonnet]

i am not a professional artist but i redlined over how i would change it and tried to liquify it a bit
but its ur art do whateva u want! i think it looks fine either way

[earnest horizon]

Ngl idk why but I like the sketch better

I feel like the eyes in the sketch are more like smooth yk

[stable sonnet]

messy

[snow aurora]

Thank you

[stable sonnet]

no problem!

[final tinsel]

ok ty

[warped terrace]

EWWWWW WHAT

YUCKY

[earnest horizon]

Fr

[snow aurora]

got lazy trying to fix it halfway thru

[earnest horizon]

It looks a lot better

[snow aurora]

I agree

[earnest horizon]

I don’t rly like the blur on the eyes but that’s probably more of a personal preference

[snow aurora]

Yea I wanted to look like how my fav artist does eyes

[sleek pumice]

where can i find a texture like this

[undone wharf]

😭😭 you can be so mean sometimes

[sleek pumice]

We got da undead royalty

[shrewd frigate]

spooky

[fringe apex]

tf happened to the icon

[lyric shale]

sick avatar dude

[fringe apex]

yeeoooo free art?!

[undone wharf]

Yippeee

[fallow sable]

https://twitter.com/MarkerMane/status/1709410180008464797

Mark (@MarkerMane)

Recent Logo I did!
Commissioned work!

Likes and retweets appreciated!!
#roblox #robloxart #robloxdev #robloxlogo

Twitter · Oct 4, 2023, 3:28 AM

[sleek pumice]

I am the one who bawks

[earnest horizon]

sick drawing dude

[viscid night]

here if you're still doing em 🥶

[warped terrace]

Yuckie disgusting gross garbage!!!

[cinder grotto]

Fr

[cinder grotto]

Why does bro got the rainbow shoes

[cinder grotto]

2d designers are done for

Period

[winter void]

BRUH WTF

[plush granite]

my favorite games
Casne Tamicoon
Gastoln Tuilcong
Casit Buldng Tocoon
Gastd Game

[river vigil]

you stoled it from me

GRRR

[cobalt nacelle]

looks weird

[empty axle]

its from kool

[river vigil]

yes

[keen willow]

bro shut yo ass up u dont even draw, if u knew so much about anatomy u would be a pro sculptor or artist, ur neither of those.I am an artist and it honestly looks okay.Nothing wrong.

[earnest horizon]

DANG NOW ME PERSONALLY

[keen willow]

bro says anatomy is wrong but doesnt say what is wrong with it

[velvet fiber]

me personally if someone said tht about my art id just say aight and do nothin about it

[keen willow]

it makes u doubt ur art and ur gonna make some changes and it might make it worse.

[velvet fiber]

yeye u generally shouldnt doubt it in the first place since its just one guy, but can be beneficial if multiple people point it out

[plush granite]

are you good? they obviously meant it seriously they even made the effort to take screenshots of what they mean

there is nothing wrong with critique, take it to heart or dismiss it. why so personal

[keen willow]

personal?

[plush granite]

you are telling him to shut up just because he (probably) doesn't draw? thats personal

[keen willow]

I dont want people who dont know shit about anatomy critique anatomy.

[plush granite]

when you are a real person in the real world and go outside from time to time you see faces and people pretty often. so anyone can critique anatomy that looks weird to them. thats wired in your brain that has nothing to do with being an artist

[earnest horizon]

Btw what’s leukemia

Is it like cancer

[keen willow]

Yes, white blood cell cancer

[earnest horizon]

Dang

[noble knoll]

No

It’s bad critique

Read pins

Hm

[plush granite]

bad critique.. followed by 3 other people critiquing the exact same thing and the artist fixing the exact thing he critiqued

[keen willow]

W

[noble knoll]

It is alright but it doesn’t elaborate what needs to be fixed

Like how do you fix the chin?

[earnest horizon]

But the artist took the critique and made it look better

[noble knoll]

Make it more rounded out instead of having that weird curve like Crimson chin?

[noble knoll]

Yeah

I’m fine with that

But for the people screaming “sthu”

They got their rights too

[keen willow]

👍🏼

[plush granite]

even if its bad critique theres no reason to go "bro shut yo ass up u dont even draw"? posting critique is taking time out of your day to help and hes being insulted for it, lol, lmao even

[keen willow]

Freedom of speech in this bih

yuh

[noble knoll]

Will admit that they could just say “elaborate”

[earnest horizon]

Ye I mean that type of vague critique is still alright, if someone tells me the colors on my build is icky and I look and realize it’s true, I’ll still change the colors regardless of whether or not they send me a color palette to change it to

[noble knoll]

Instead of shut the fuck up

[plush granite]

yeah u got the freedom to insult i guess congrats on being a proud asshat then

[violet jackal]

Anybody have experience with pixlr

[keen willow]

i dont like u now

[noble knoll]

I do find some critique weird since those are more like

Opinions

[earnest horizon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/586421228420595723/1060243319164260482/ezgif.com-gif-maker.gif

[keen willow]

exactly what if them elf ears aint droopy

[noble knoll]

Droopy ears and vampire blood showing is moreso of an artistic choice there

[keen willow]

W opinion

[noble knoll]

Literally me when my dad teaches me math

But hey

[plush granite]

conversation between two normal, functioning humans who currently do not need therapy:
"look at my art"

• "the chin looks weird"
  A: "can you explain? I dont think it looks weird"
  B: "ion really care about the chin, thanks"
• "have a nice day"

[noble knoll]

The artist took the critique and made their artwork better at the end of the day

[plush granite]

this is impossible in hiddendevs

[noble knoll]

That’s what I want

Too bad people online are mentally ill

Just listing ways to avoid people to throw rocks of you when you mutter out a single line of criticism

[median crystal]

some revamp concept art wip haha

[earnest horizon]

Fr

[earnest horizon]

Krab

[noble knoll]

crab

[median crystal]

krabby

[earnest horizon]

U copy me

[noble knoll]

What did the humans do to it

[keen willow]

looks weird

[median crystal]

i think it’s meant to be weird

[keen willow]

fix anatomy

[median crystal]

they took over the earth in 6 hours apparently

[noble knoll]

Plagiarism, get used to it 🗣️🔥

[median crystal]

i know the right blade needs fixing

i mean left

but yeah

[median crystal]

☹️

[earnest horizon]

https://tenor.com/view/cats-dance-kiyyasia-elien-funny-cat-gif-15108410

[median crystal]

i’ll be back in 24 hours

[earnest horizon]

😰

[keen willow]

no

[noble knoll]

Pretty sure they kept saying sthu at the part when bro gave in his personal opinions

[plush granite]

its whatever its not that one case im just calling people out because its a pattern i see in any non-code channel

guy posts creation, guy gets critiqued, guy loses his shit (or by proxy like in this case)

and the argument is always "you dont even draw/model/animate"

[noble knoll]

Hm

Some are extremely dumb tho

Recently

[earnest horizon]

LITERALLY.

[plush granite]

le block button

[earnest horizon]

It’s so fucking annoying

[noble knoll]

Some doofus thought that a guy who made a face was copying someone else

[earnest horizon]

https://tenor.com/view/better-call-saul-blocked-ignore-blocked-message-gif-26544979

[noble knoll]

Yknow anime faces

They tend to repeat themselves

[plush granite]

https://tenor.com/view/better-call-saul-blocked-ignore-blocked-message-gif-26544979

[noble knoll]

Bro went out of his way to do that

I pointed out so many different artstyle choices

And blud was like “ITS THE FUCKING SAME”

[earnest horizon]

That’s just an ego issue

[noble knoll]

So naturally ofc people aren’t gonna take people who don’t do what the artist does seriously

[earnest horizon]

They were probably having a bad day and wanted to take it out on someone

[plush granite]

just block annoying ppl tbh u can always unblock them later

[noble knoll]

Some people have these massive blunders

The untrained eye is less capable of giving critique if the work is often repetitive with others

(anime shit 💀💀💀💀)

[noble knoll]

Sadly, cant block em

Gotta be on the lookout to moderate them

[earnest horizon]

Reels

[noble knoll]

when i retire

I will block 90% of HD regulars!!!!

[plush granite]

ppl assume way too fast whether someone is trained or not instead of assuming the other person knows what they r talking about. especially when u critique their work they instantly assume u dont know shit (kinda antithetical)
on the other hand people (of all skills) always tend to give biased, opinionated critique instead of backing it up with objective claims or repeating general guidelines

[noble knoll]

The first one is pretty damn valid

Case I was talking about just told me straight up “I don’t draw”

But given how he gave some opinionated critique earlier

They probably assumed he doesn’t draw

[plush granite]

ascended: pretend you dont draw, give god tier critique with proof to back it up, make them seethe 🔥 💯

[noble knoll]

The artistic choices to be particular such as “make the ears higher”

[noble knoll]

That fails 90% of the time if there’s a mob attack you

Anyone who achieves that is like

Main character in an anime

[plush granite]

any opinionated critique is fine if its followed by "but its just me" or something like that. its that simple. then the response can just be "yeah its just you" and crises averted

[noble knoll]

Hell yeah

But when you don’t add it

That’s when people will assume you are infact prompting them to change it

So it does come off as kinda a jerk move + untrained vibe reeking

[plush granite]

this though jesuus

ANY critique is apparently fine if at least one other person agrees with it
any critique is shit if the creator + one other impartial disagrees with it

[noble knoll]

Your composure is lost especially if you’re skittish

[plush granite]

we live ina democracy

[noble knoll]

The creator can chose to not agree to it

Their loss

I seen it happen all the time

Some people are snowflakes

[plush granite]

need a second block button titled "L stamp" that just puts 🇱 next to their name so I know in the future they aint shit

[noble knoll]

But sometimes the critique isn’t necessarily good

I mean you got those opinionated cases

So not all critique is good critique

But at the end of the day

[plush granite]

critique this ironic gif of my dog

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/967120205874618438/1131480184399335495/15.gif

piece of art if you ask me

[keen willow]

it looks weird

[noble knoll]

Boop factor isn’t strong enough

Dog should have been more reactive to incite something in the viewers.

[keen willow]

i dont like the dog being black here make it white

[noble knoll]

The message of the art is quite profound.

From my POV, it is the epitome of human adaptation and also laziness

And the undying strength to fight back the forces (in this case a net door)

[plush granite]

no strength for sure just lazy ass

[noble knoll]

The human strength and resilience is seen through the dog.

And also laziness

Because it won’t fucking move

[earnest horizon]

Fr the chin looks off

Anatomy Fr

[violet solar]

so i made this guy using AI

anyone able to design a background using the same style?

like some fields or something

[cobalt nacelle]

yo

[violet solar]

kinda like the greenery in this icon

[violet solar]

wsg

[cobalt nacelle]

💀

your the problem

ai is gonna take over gfx

[desert tulip]

whats the website

[coarse pier]

probably bing chat / dalle3

[plush granite]

just use ai again? "cartoon logo background scenery grass trees" or something idk

[river vigil]

amazon

[desert tulip]

haha so funny

[river vigil]

it's true tho...

anyways I lie because if someone tell them more people will use ai

[plush granite]

then what

[desert tulip]

exactly

[river vigil]

then gfx people are getting less commission

[plush granite]

maybe, idk, i have nothing to compare, i started taking commissions after the advent of ai generators

[violet solar]

Yeah but it wont have the same style

[violet solar]

youre

[cobalt nacelle]

;-;

[coarse pier]

dalle3 is currently the only one that generates somewhat decent roblox gfx. All others are garbage

and that just came out super recently, still too early to know if its cutting on ur commisions

[plush granite]

me no make roblox gfx big misunderstanding

[coarse pier]

oh what do you do?

[plush granite]

me draw characters

[cobalt nacelle]

im going to take commisions now

before AI takes over gfx

[coarse pier]

what

[cobalt nacelle]

i meant AI

ai will soon take over gfx

[river vigil]

it's 3d gfx for now

[violet solar]

it probably wont

[cobalt nacelle]

it probably will

people are using it for thumbnails

[violet solar]

ai can only do a few styles

[cobalt nacelle]

even in blade ball

[noble knoll]

Ai

[cobalt nacelle]

it will catch up

[noble knoll]

It’s the doom of us!!!

[cobalt nacelle]

yep

[coarse pier]

2d as well

[cobalt nacelle]

😭

[plush granite]

glory to the basilisk you will all burn in virtual hell for sure

[violet solar]

ok well im not a gfx designer anyway

[cobalt nacelle]

💀

[violet solar]

W AI

please dont kill me when you take over

[cobalt nacelle]

you dont feel the pain

no more comms

[river vigil]

😭

[cobalt nacelle]

even ui is being ui generated

and less commisions

[violet solar]

how?

[coarse pier]

how do u use it for thumbnails? is there way to generate with different aspect ratios than square using dalle?

[violet solar]

when

[cobalt nacelle]

they enter an image of a ui then the ai learns the style

[violet solar]

shit

ok well

[cobalt nacelle]

im pretty sure u can tell it to do 1920x1080 size

im not 100%

[violet solar]

i need to drop my game before i become obsolete 💀

[violet solar]

@cobalt nacelle could you do this?

[cobalt nacelle]

i can but im way to busy with school

[violet solar]

gah

[noble knoll]

We’re all gonna be obsolete frfr

[empty axle]

wip

[violet solar]

gonna steal that using AI

[cobalt nacelle]

LMAO

its not hard to made

[velvet fiber]

artists just need to expand their toolsets more, like texture painting, modeling, vfx, animations etc

it sucks but what can u do

also which of these do u guys think looks the coolest? this is a dining game similar to work at pizza place

[noble knoll]

Real

But hey

We're all lazy as fuck

[velvet fiber]

tru dat, i do art more on that i enjoy it and i began to like modeling as well so its not like ai will stop me from doin what i love anyways

but it does suck for people who rely on commissions

[snow aurora]

Me 2 I started modeling

[plush granite]

chatgpt can make models tho

hehe

[undone wharf]

What 💔

[cobalt nacelle]

looks kinda weird

[shrewd frigate]

made this for last year's hd clothing design event but i thought i'd bring it back for spooky month

[viscid night]

it's just part of the pants I dunno

I think the pants are for r6 avatars 💀

[tropic trellis]

can the white lines be solved by alpha bleed or is my circle not perfect enough

[boreal basin]

i am so pro at roblox gfx

[frozen jungle]

So noob https://i.imgur.com/RXXN6sZ.png

[earnest horizon]

Bro used AI

[stoic garden]

Guys how do u feel abt this

https://media.tenor.com/N7_Rxk1KyUkAAAAM/side-eye-alexish8ithere.gif

[velvet fiber]

oversaturated market of lookalikes with ai artists is good for us cuz people would better diffrentiate them, even if the ai changes art style

the more u see them the easier it tends to get

[coarse pier]

The people working on the ais have eyes too, they will also be getting better at seeing what differentiates them from non-ai images as-well. They’ll just fix them

[velvet fiber]

if they made their ai via stable diffusion then yes

but dall e isnt open sourced so u cant change it easily

i use stable diffusion and u can train it to do the styles u like

but dalle so far with me trying it cant perfect it

for example it make roblox characters blocky and not that dynamic ie they have the same limb lengths and thickness

regardless of art style

also it struggles with foreshortening due to limited roblox art related dataset

[coarse pier]

nah dalle is by far the best, just tried stable diffusion and it is no where near the level dalle is at. Rn dalle3 is just in preview mode, not even the full version with full control

[velvet fiber]

exactly but i doubt ud be able to train it urself

unlike stable diff

[coarse pier]

Yeah just hoping open source models catch up to dalle, otherwise ai is gonna be controlled by greedy money hungry companies

[velvet fiber]

btw stable diffusion is build mostly on an old 1.5 model, there are newer model that perform just as well, only downside is they require more than 12gb vram and makin the images takes many minutes

[coarse pier]

The new sdxl one?

[velvet fiber]

i think its called sdxl

yea

[coarse pier]

havent tried it yet, ive only been using 1.5. Ima try it out soon enough, does it do text good enough yet?

[velvet fiber]

some people who use extensions loras and optimizations say its comparable except very slow

not many are switching due to hardware demand, no lora support for 1.5 and long rendering time

but it can render very well with base model at 1024x1024 which is pretty good

[coarse pier]

wait does actually just require 12gb vram? Is there no smaller version of it?

[velvet fiber]

base model said it needed to be 12gb ram, there are devs who cut it up to run on low vram but theyre either very limited (no negative promts, cfg scales etc) or take very long

[coarse pier]

oof yeah it does text well enough

[velvet fiber]

so not many people switched

but maybe it can be more optimized in the future

or gpus just get very good

[coarse pier]

yeah i’ll definitely look into it later today, should get something to work on a 8gb vram card 🤞

[velvet fiber]

8gb ram card, ur best bet is 1.5 model

if u invest ur time with all the loras lycoris checkpoints etc

u can get it looking really good

but this requires too much learning for me which im not into

[coarse pier]

cant believe nvidia really just cheaped out with 8gb vram on the 30 series smh

[velvet fiber]

its deliberate

to not cause gpu shortages

some do have tho

just not the latest versions i believe

anyways dalle just gives u the style and u dont have as much customization so in the end people will tend to tell which is artist made and ai made

unless dalle provides with a lot of controls

ai got so absurd recently but it makes sense if people wanna make thier ai look very unique

[coarse pier]

I mean were only like 2 years into this image ai stuff blowing up into the mainstream, shouldn’t be too long before most issues with it are fixed

Highly doubt in a year or so anyone would be able to tell if an image is ai without it being specifically tagged with an ai label somehow, which is something adobe is tryna do i believe

[velvet fiber]

somewhat yea

[coarse pier]

I think image generation is mostly solved now, it’s now moving towards video generation and 3d assets generation

Just saw a model that can create an entire 3d model from text, in 2 mins on a 3070ti

results were kinda good which is insane

https://dreamgaussian.github.io

[velvet fiber]

yea

however

i do believe for things such as rigging

ai will never replicate it

[coarse pier]

wdym?

[velvet fiber]

due to the little amount of dataset they have access to

u know how

[coarse pier]

Like auto-rigging?

[velvet fiber]

yea

ik u can do tht with humanoids

but give it a weapon and im 95% sure it wont do well

especially if the weapon isnt based irl

[earnest horizon]

Ee lung mask

[coarse pier]

I mean noone thought life-like images were ever going to be a thing 5 years ago. Like everything in ai, just give it time and it’ll probably get there

[velvet fiber]

thats why ai art never actually or be able to generate layers and send u the art as a photoshop file

thats cuz artist modelers etc generally dont share these as much

artist share images, never layers so ai got 0 idea how to layer files in an image for u to use

and edit

[coarse pier]

why not, it’s pretty easy to program if u wanted that behavior, but why would the end user need layers if they aren’t going to be doing the art themselves

[velvet fiber]

layering is just another analogy to riggings

how will u get ur data set

of an image

[coarse pier]

Are u talking about image layers?

[velvet fiber]

and all the layers its made up in?

yea

ai learnt from images on the internet, but u dont see people posting photoshop files to the internet so ai will never be able to replicate that

same with models, most people create models without rigs or even just a model image that ai references

unless ur a company that can convince artists to share their art files with all the layers, u got no way of makin it

[coarse pier]

all u would have to do is ask the ai to sequentially generate the image you want starting from the background, and ending on the foreground. But on every generation, you move up a layer, and only generate a transparent image including the background as a reference

[velvet fiber]

thats the thing

it cant create a full image

with all the layers unless u cut it urself

but its hard for ai to do tht rn as ai cant merge well, as they dont store context and things such as lighting position

[coarse pier]

Im not talking about doing it urself, you just create a program that does that for you, given one prompt it would do the generations and layer sorting

[velvet fiber]

.

so far the closest i saw was inpainting but it wasnt the layering way i meant

[coarse pier]

Yeah which is why you include the previous generations as a reference for the ai, it should be able to blend it in

image-to-image / in painting works pretty well for blending different stuff together

[velvet fiber]

thats like doing inpainting from scratch, might work in the future but i cant see it happen when u tell it to generate an image and then u ask it for all its layers

cuz if u use a seed

which is what ai uses

it wont get it right

unless they add context but even then it would be data heavy lol

oh also

not to mention

when u use extensions and lora

theres more randomness

ai in its entirety is a noise image generation

[coarse pier]

the seed wouldn’t matter much, it has the previous generations as background reference. The only new thing here that would need to be trained is generating images with only a specific element with everything else being transparent. And even that can be done in a diff way by using an auto crop ai if u dont feel like training. Just dont noise the backgrounds by alot and it should stay pretty similar to the scene

[velvet fiber]

it still generates via noise so it wont get it right unless u randomly generate until it looks right, also i feel like for it to get these layered images for its dataset would be difficult as not all artists share layers

ik there are a bunch of background images in png like grassfields

but what if u wanted a more stylized/painted look, i believe ai would struggle a lot

D:

u cant stop people from ai so hating it wont do much, better be critical tho

[coarse pier]

I mean regardless, having the layers would only matter for artists using ai to create their art. But for other people, the use case is to generate a fully ready to use image, they wouldn’t want want the layers anyway. Doubt there is much use cases for layered image gen outside of artists using ai to create art

[velvet fiber]

from my experience clients want my art file for colour corrections and such

so some people will need it for development setting

[coarse pier]

for like changing colours on specific elements on the image?

[velvet fiber]

anyways i think ai wont be used much for that setting as some people dont like their art being copyright free

yea, usually thats needed a lot when i make a thumbnail and they want to make different versions of the thumbnail to fit into a square icon thumbnail

or recolours but ik ai can already do that

anyways gotta go back to work

nice convo tho

[coarse pier]

yep same, fun discussion

[broken pelican]

some guns stocks concepts

[snow aurora]

is that why it sometimes looks grainy

[velvet fiber]

dk usually it smoothes things out if u give it enough steps

[snow aurora]

ooh

[velvet fiber]

there are videos tht show how it works exactly

[violet solar]

can anyone create a park background in this style? Paying robux

[tropic cloud]

for free?

[violet solar]

no?

idk what peoples prices are so ill allow anyone whos interested to state a price

[tropic cloud]

whats ur budget

[sacred sphinx]

isn't this AI

and also you can't ask to hire someone here

that's why #graphics-hiring exists

[snow aurora]

yep

[violet solar]

Too lazy to make a post

But anyways

Got a bg from it using another ai

[sacred sphinx]

💀💀

does it even matter

it's AI garbage

[queen edge]

I disagree.

[violet solar]

Don’t diss ai

They will remember this

[sacred sphinx]

😭😭??

i will diss it

I'm an artist

all it does is steal work from people

[queen edge]

As someone who’s contributed to front paged games, I don’t care about the process. The end result is what matters. If AI is able to produce something just as good as an artist then I will use AI. It’s pretty self explanatory.

To brush off something that is revolutionary is disappointing in my opinion. I’m a graphic artist and plan to use AI to my advantage, instead of letting it take over.

[sacred sphinx]

this is the same bs i hear AI is still shit

"I don't care about the process" puts to dirt the actual effort artists put grab a pen and get the bag instead of going for the easy and lazy route

[snow aurora]

does that mean you not getting money anymore?

[queen edge]

As a graphic artist myself I disagree with that statement as well.

Everything is destined to change and improve overtime. I’ve seen this “AI” coming for years on end. It was obvious that it’s only a matter of time until it takes over professional digital art.

As for creativity, feel free to keep drawing, it’s a great hobby.

[snow aurora]

can you answer my question

[queen edge]

What was the question?

[sacred sphinx]

AI will never have the heart and creativity of a real human all the art i love, admire and that inspires me will never be able to be re-created by a machine

people study fundamentals for years but all AI does is have the same technical level in an instant by taking all their hard work

just. grab the pen man. and do it yourself. put your ideas on a paper instead of letting a souless machine do garbage that will never do what you truly imagined

[snow aurora]

^

[sacred sphinx]

even on professional art it still takes creativity

that AI won't have

[queen edge]

You should be using AI to your advantage instead of brushing it off. It’s only going to get better.

[sacred sphinx]

the advantage of what

[queen edge]

More specifically for professional art as I said

[sacred sphinx]

of being lazy and not wanting to learn

[snow aurora]

does that mean you not getting money anymore?

[sacred sphinx]

,

[queen edge]

No I am still making just as much

[snow aurora]

i’m talking about when ai gets better

[queen edge]

Although I expect AI to take over icons and thumbnails very soon

[queen edge]

I would no longer have the need to hire a graphic designer, so actually I would be profiting more

[snow aurora]

i thought you were a graphic designer

[queen edge]

I could make a course on how to use AI to create professional icons and thumbnails in the future and profit off of that instead

[queen edge]

Not as a profession but yes I do graphics

[sacred sphinx]

even if i were to use AI for my work, it'd be just letting it do all by itself, what's the point then... people pay me for my time and artstyle and AI will always have it's generic garbage one i can point out every mistake it has and by that point i just draw myself and learn

[queen edge]

Mostly freelance in photoshop

[snow aurora]

so like photo editing?

[sacred sphinx]

if you just want to use AI to profit that's dumb aswell, it's accessible to anyone so whoever wants it, they can do it themselves, why pay someone to do you something when they didn't even make it themselves in the first place

[snow aurora]

true

plus youtube’s a thing

[queen edge]

You're speaking about the current limitations of AI. I'm explaining that AI will be soon powerful enough to take over graphics.

[queen edge]

Exactly my point

[sacred sphinx]

AI will be fed by it's own garbage by generating more AI shit and it will not improve

[queen edge]

You'd have to expand beyond graphics to make money

[snow aurora]

most people don’t buy courses they can find on youtube

[queen edge]

You're speaking about AI like it is not extremely intelligent, and will not soon to be. AI will be able to easily learn from human imput and it's own mistakes.

[sacred sphinx]

this is like saying NFTs will be valuable in the future

[queen edge]

It's growing so fast who know what AI will do in 5 years

[snow aurora]

courses only work for actual artist

[queen edge]

Not at all. AI is completely different.

I don't see it going to waste anytime in the future

[snow aurora]

your job is gonna get taken over by ai too

[queen edge]

Most likely

That's why I am preparing

[snow aurora]

with what

[sacred sphinx]

with using AI in his work 😭😭

[queen edge]

Doing things that AI is not capable of doing

[snow aurora]

like?

[sacred sphinx]

bro gave up don't wanna do shit anymore

[queen edge]

I have plenty of ideas

[sacred sphinx]

that's what everyone has been doing hundreds of years before AI

it's called creativity

[snow aurora]

care to share??

[queen edge]

Sure here's an idea

Create a website that completely depends on AI

Dropshipping for example

AI can cover marketing, expenses, coding, everything

[snow aurora]

ai will most likely do that in the future

[queen edge]

Yes it will

easily

[tight raven]

pov: math class moment and a fast draw of 3 min

[snow aurora]

so there won’t be a need for you anymore

[tight raven]

I was bored

[snow aurora]

cool

[queen edge]

You are above the website. You own the company. Meaning the AI works for you and you take all profits.

[tight raven]

I can do better in ibispaint

ngl

[queen edge]

Completely passive income

[tight raven]

math class<drawing

[sacred sphinx]

what profits if you can do it with AI anyone else can

[snow aurora]

why would they use your website when they can make their own ai

[sacred sphinx]

^^

[snow aurora]

exactlyyy

plus if they use theirs it’s FREEEEUGH

[queen edge]

That's an irrelevant argument.

[snow aurora]

how

[sacred sphinx]

how

[queen edge]

There so many games on roblox, nobody will play yours

It's like that comparison

[sacred sphinx]

people pay for drawings because not everyone can draw

[snow aurora]

great comparison

[sacred sphinx]

and even then there's thousands of artists

[queen edge]

Paying for drawings will be unknown of within the next few years, there's NO denying that

My opinion won't change that fact

[snow aurora]

but if you can use ai then what’s the need for you

[sacred sphinx]

thinking like that is just giving up on growing and just leaving it all to machines

not everyone has given up, im pretty sure books can't have AI stuff and games neither

[snow aurora]

ai is supposed to be an “easy” solution so if you can make a website for dropshipping for ai most likely other people will know and will probably upload youtube videos thus removing the need for someone to do it for you

[sacred sphinx]

and AI can't be copyrighted aswell

[queen edge]

I'm talking about specifically paid art:

Infinite creativity, incredible efficiency and speed, accessibility, customization, collaboration, the list goes on and on

[sacred sphinx]

wrong

AI can't be creative

[snow aurora]

ai isn’t really consistent either

[queen edge]

AI-created art, like a helper for artists, can make art more exciting, available to everyone, and can even create new jobs if we use it carefully and fairly, while also showing different ways to make art and not being mean to people.

But not we're just going in circles

[shrewd frigate]

you "teach" ai to be "creative" by feeding it a bunch of artists' works

which crosses an ethical line

but at the end of the day, money talks

[sacred sphinx]

helper for artists
0 help
actual help comes from learning the fundamentals and improving
can make art more exciting
not true, can't be exciting without true creativity
available to everyone
yeah but they have 0 artistic skill

[snow aurora]

mean? we are just trying to convey our point that if ai is here your job is at stake most artists jobs are at stake

[queen edge]

I generated that w/ ai to see if you'd notice lmao

[snow aurora]

okay and?

[queen edge]

My point being that easy things like typing and art can easily be taken over and revolutionised by AI. Which is what I've been trying to communicate to you for that past 20 mins.

[sacred sphinx]

but what we've been saying is that it's not possible

[queen edge]

Ethically and morally this is completely wrong, but there's no stopping it

[snow aurora]

convert to bad

convert to ai

🌀

[queen edge]

Clearly you all are too stubborn to have an open minded conversation so there's no need to speak to you anymore

Since your opinions are already clearly set in stone

[upbeat sonnet]

🔥

[snow aurora]

but you’ve been ignoring the facts too u will be replaced also if this happens

ongoing cycle you learn a new skill > replaced by ai

[queen edge]

Yes, my currently roles will be replaced.

You have to learn and innovate

[snow aurora]

and your new ones too

[sacred sphinx]

innovate how

[shrewd frigate]

your opinions are set in stone as well

[sacred sphinx]

no one will need you if AI takes over

[shrewd frigate]

at least the conversation is civil

[snow aurora]

exactly

[upbeat sonnet]

that's why invent something and work for yourself as soon as possible instead of working for people.

[queen edge]

^

[upbeat sonnet]

so you can be rich and retire before AI take over your career

[queen edge]

[snow aurora]

bro you know how unlikely that’ll be

[sacred sphinx]

^

invent something completely new as if that was easy

[shrewd frigate]

fiya 🔥

[snow aurora]

how long is it gonna take you to retire?

[queen edge]

I'm convined AI will be incredibly powerful and useful within the next decade. AI was barley even a discussed topic 5 years ago, and now is already effecting the way we are able to produce and simply function. Maybe at the moment it doesn't have the capabilities to take over your roles, but soon in the future who knows what will happen

[upbeat sonnet]

no, I mean take something that already exist and make it better

[sacred sphinx]

it's still highly unlikely

[snow aurora]

why haven’t you done it yet?

[sacred sphinx]

also yeah that

[queen edge]

Why is it unlikely?

[upbeat sonnet]

I am doing it, it's my long term goal

💀

[snow aurora]

how long

[sacred sphinx]

not everyone can be an inventor

[snow aurora]

if ai catches up ur gone

[broken steppe]

rate?

(when it decides to load)

[queen edge]

@sacred sphinx ??

[upbeat sonnet]

AI has nothing to do with skills, it only affect people who work for people. Work for yourself and you will never be affected

[broken steppe]

Irish Military themed graffiti

made it to slap on a wall in my new milsim game

[snow aurora]

technically you work for people either way you need people to buy your stuff to make money no?

[sacred sphinx]

the fact that you'd do something better or new not possible with AI, then AI catches up and you become rich and retire

[upbeat sonnet]

Basically, surely AIs may take over, that's why start working for yourself lol

[sacred sphinx]

it's the most situational shit ever u gotta be delusional to think that could even possibly happen

[upbeat sonnet]

People buying stuff for you to make money is called sales not working for people 💀

[queen edge]

AI is very capable of creating something completely new, possibly with slight human interations.

[upbeat sonnet]

let it be called passive income

[snow aurora]

lowkey it is tho ngl

you make something FOR people

[sacred sphinx]

re read what i wrote that's not what i meant

[upbeat sonnet]

yes, but not work for people 💀

[snow aurora]

youre providing stuff for someone is working for people

[queen edge]

My mistake

[upbeat sonnet]

Oh wait, what is "Working for people" in your definition?

like what is it really meant?

[snow aurora]

provide a service for someone

i thought that’s what it meant

[sacred sphinx]

when you draw pfps for people in exchange of money what is it called

[upbeat sonnet]

you're right, but in term of game development where people play your games, what exactly is service that you provide to people?

[snow aurora]

a game is a service

[upbeat sonnet]

not really a service

[snow aurora]

you provide a game in return for money

it is a service

[queen edge]

That's a pretty valid point and I completely agree, although only in certain circumstances. Entrepreneurs will thrive with the implications of AI, as well as other self-sustained individuals. Companies will still rely on physical employees for maintenance and customer interactions, ensuring a human touch remains important in some areas of business.

[shrewd frigate]

i thought games were products

[upbeat sonnet]

yeah but in return for passive income

[shrewd frigate]

they're tangible deliverables

[upbeat sonnet]

you're not technically actively working for people

[snow aurora]

still your providing something for someone tho are you not?

you still did the work right?

[shrewd frigate]

except if you include in-game purchases, then you can consider games to have a service aspect to them

[snow aurora]

for example if nobody like what you got you won’t get any sales so no revenue which means you rely on what people think abt the product so like in a way you work for people

[queen edge]

You should be relying on yourself to make a product that's presentable to your clients. You're not working for someone, you're just not preforming correctly.

It's called entrepreneurship

"Entrepreneurship is when an individual who has an idea acts on that idea, usually to disrupt the current market with a new product or service."

[snow aurora]

if they like your work they won’t buy

no money

[queen edge]

Yes, that's pretty self explanitory. Although you're only focusing on the negative.

If your work/product/service is good then people will buy it, so you should be striving to do so.

[snow aurora]

it can be good to you but bad to everyone else

[queen edge]

No entrepreneur should not understand why their product isn't appealing. Marketing is a very valueable skill.

[shrewd frigate]

research and testing exist

[queen edge]

^

[shrewd frigate]

generative research allows you to find out what people are interested in, current trends, psychological aspects, etc.

evaluative research allows you to test out your product and find out what users think

not all projects are done blindly

to every project there's time, money, and resources to be spent

[snow aurora]

okay if youre testing it would it really be relying on yourself?

[upbeat sonnet]

We were talking about AIs, why are we changing subjects

[shrewd frigate]

i have no clue im just going with the flow

lol

[upbeat sonnet]

Basically work for yourself if you don't want to ever be affected by AIs 💀

[queen edge]

It lead into a new discussion really, we were talking about AI for a while

[shrewd frigate]

im providing info

[upbeat sonnet]

True

mostly mindless discussion without knowing where you were going I guess.

[queen edge]

thats discord for you

[snow aurora]

because you started talking about working for yourself

[queen edge]

anyways i have to go, it was nice speaking, and i will defenitly remember the key points stated

[upbeat sonnet]

yeah, well you shouldn't work for people if they won't pay for your work since they can use AIs.

So if that's true, you should start working for yourself, make a game.

use whatever skill you have

[upbeat sonnet]

👍

[shrewd frigate]

at one point or another, you need feedback to refine your product

even if you aren't working for other people

that is where the "people" aspect would come in at least

[snow aurora]

if your company consist of ai you prolly will have like billion identical companies

but yea you do you

[shrewd frigate]

even with ai having a significant role, i still imagine there would be monopolies at the end of the day

but who knows what'll happen

[plush granite]

what does this mean?

[snow aurora]

company created based on ai could theoretically be tons of identical copies of it

[plush granite]

what does this have to do with ai? (why cant a company without ai be a copy? why does an ai company have to be a copy?)

[snow aurora]

I’m just saying it’ll be easier

[plush granite]

the companies dont have to derive from the same AI model, i mean, its easier to copy, but you started by saying that if someone used AI to build a company they would just end up being one of a billion copies, not that they want to do it on purpose

[median crystal]

repost of a weird wacky concept art comission lol

wip ofc

couldnt even explain to you what that is

[shrewd frigate]

what in the world is that

[median crystal]

the monster in your nightmares

[shrewd frigate]

it kinda looks like its supposed to be some type of marine animal

but i have no clue what it is

[median crystal]

apparantly the lore is invaders took over earth in 6 hours

[shrewd frigate]

oh so its an alien?

extraterrestrial type shit

[median crystal]

innit

anyway i got to get this done

im acc so broke

but i came across such a gem on the weekend on talenthub

some guy wanted someone to make like npcs for him

just like the outfits no scripting

made 10 he gave me 3.1k robux

insane

[shrewd frigate]

hopefully they weren't so complicated

you were paid $1.09 USD per outfit 💀

[median crystal]

well

[plush granite]

mcdonald hamburger to be fair

[median crystal]

its fine it was mega quick

[earnest horizon]

Bro got scammed

[median crystal]

cloudy wuith a chance of meatballs real

[median crystal]

i asked bro iff it was ok

pretty sire he was meant to pay me 2.5k but i finished like5 days early (not sure why he thought it would take a week)

[shrewd frigate]

wait did you make the outfits from scratch?

[median crystal]

and 3.1k is like not inc tax

[median crystal]

yes?

not just tool box pre mades lol

[snow aurora]

NOT INC TAX IS CRIMINAL

[shrewd frigate]

yeah if you made every single piece of clothing in that screenshot then you got scammed

[median crystal]

wym lol

[shrewd frigate]

bless your soul

[snow aurora]

Vile

[median crystal]

no bruh

i didnt make the clothes lol

[snow aurora]

O

[shrewd frigate]

oh ok

[snow aurora]

Nvm

[shrewd frigate]

bless your soul anyway

🙏

[median crystal]

everything is made by someone else i just drag all the ids into studio

[earnest horizon]

Oh u didn’t make it

[median crystal]

no lol

[shrewd frigate]

they look pretty good for regular people

[earnest horizon]

Oh all you did was put clothing on dummies

Nvm then

[median crystal]

yes

lmao

[earnest horizon]

You didn’t get scammed cuh you were the scammer

[median crystal]

thats why im sayin i got insane pay

[shrewd frigate]

that's honestly pretty good lol

[earnest horizon]

Real

[shrewd frigate]

whip up 10 avatars in 15 minutes

[median crystal]

deadass he offered 2.5k on talent hub but i got 3.1k cus i finished early

[plush granite]

woke: randomly generate npcs by picking from a list of the top 400 favorited hats

[earnest horizon]

Wild

[median crystal]

nah it actually took me so long to find good outfits tho

[earnest horizon]

The one time talent hub pays well

[shrewd frigate]

i'd have no idea where to start because i dont pay close attention to what people wear these days

all i know is that a lot of people wear 10 pounds of hair

[snow aurora]

Avatar creator game

[median crystal]

ez robuck guys

[snow aurora]

Ballin

[shrewd frigate]

W

[snow aurora]

Pending robux take so long

[median crystal]

swear it used to be 3 days tops

[snow aurora]

Fr now it’s been 5 days

[median crystal]

took its time lmao

[plush granite]

+5

thats like 1 200th of a hamburger

[shrewd frigate]

if only i knew that was going to be a thing, i wouldn't have deleted all my content deleted clothes

i only got 5 robux from that whole ordeal

[snow aurora]

[median crystal]

anyway im broke as hell so evry little counts

[snow aurora]

It’s been 5 days bro

[median crystal]

bruh

thats wild

[shrewd frigate]

oof

[earnest horizon]

5 days isn’t even that long

[snow aurora]

Hope it comes tmmrw

[earnest horizon]

Usually that amount takes like 10 days for me

[snow aurora]

Yuh huh

[shrewd frigate]

it goes down to the minutes and seconds too

[snow aurora]

Oo

[median crystal]

bro i actually hate all these new limiteds

ill see something cool and join the game and it wants me to be chronically online for 8 hours straight to grind for a crown

[shrewd frigate]

dude most of the ugc limiteds ive gotten have flopped HARD

[snow aurora]

I like the the body bundle tho except the black/white bars on them

[earnest horizon]

That’s why you don’t get UGC limiteds lmao

UGC limiteds literally have no value

[shrewd frigate]

they're not worth it unless you want to wear it

[earnest horizon]

Like no matter how expensive they are

[median crystal]

i mean ngl tho for people who cant get robux its not bad

[earnest horizon]

Yeah

[median crystal]

spend ur tmie grinding a game get a lim and sell

[snow aurora]

Mines are ok I bought 2 for 100 and they are at 700 robux

[earnest horizon]

Sell for 40 robux 💀

[median crystal]

but ngl from past experience its better to grind adopt me

got so much robux off that game its isnane

[earnest horizon]

………

[snow aurora]

Howww

[earnest horizon]

How much did u make

[shrewd frigate]

this is the best free ugc limited i have

[median crystal]

im srs man it mustve been like 20k but 2019 20k of adopt me pets is like 40k now surely

[shrewd frigate]

the rest i have are under 1k

[earnest horizon]

Looks nice

[shrewd frigate]

yeah it's actually decent

it took me days to grind for though

[snow aurora]

YOU HAVE TO PAY LOT IN THE GAME I TRIED TOGET IT

[shrewd frigate]

im f2p and i was able to get both the backpack and the hat

[snow aurora]

WHATYY

NOT FAIR NOT FAIRR

[shrewd frigate]

i was wondering why the hat hadn't been selling for over a month and i realized it was because of the gacha

[snow aurora]

Why must life cruel

[shrewd frigate]

i guess i was really lucky compared to other people

[median crystal]

first one ive seen that actually sits on the head lmao

[shrewd frigate]

funny how that bootleg hasn't been removed yet

[median crystal]

real

god forbid the ugc creators make something original

[shrewd frigate]

fr

[digital marsh]

why is there an ugc of an arrested hacker

disregard im stupid

the hacker is named after *

[shrewd frigate]

yeah i was gonna say…

i had no idea what you meant

[sleek pumice]

We do be cooking some new dishes

[earnest horizon]

Cool now model it

[sleek pumice]

I gotta learn how to even use blender tbh

I’ve always wanted to turn my concepts into models

But I’ve tried to use blender multiple times in a row and after months I never really improved

[shrewd frigate]

your concepts would look sick as models

[sleek pumice]

Day 2 of blender, made this goofy wizard hat

[median crystal]

good work but 🤓 prob wrong place to post this if you want feedback

try #modeling

[earnest horizon]

#modeling

[sleek pumice]

Oj shiet

[lyric shale]

😭😭😭

ugc has been turning to shit

[median crystal]

is this not gonna get copyrighted lol

where is the texture

like aint no way

[brazen plank]

Rate this 2 minutes sketch

[plush granite]

rated

[brazen plank]

What you rate it?

[plush granite]

out of 10 for sure

i definitely rate it out of ten

[brazen plank]

What number out of 10

[plush granite]

one of them for sure. gotta be from one to ten

im trolling i cant rate it subjectively im not much of an artist

i can tell you what to improve tho if you want

[scenic grove]

hmm

yay i got the skill role

[scenic grove]

lil logo i did for fun

wdyt guys

[median crystal]

2

maybe 3

[sacred sphinx]

that name tho they're right

[sleek pumice]

everybody gangsta till AI starts posting in #graphics-hiring

[torpid ocean]

i like 2d graphics

go phils

[earnest horizon]

Minecraft slow pencil

[eager crane]

Minecraft SlowBrush

[manic apex]

anyone want 26 bobux

[shrewd frigate]

keep it

[median badger]

il take 25.99 keep the change

[lyric shale]

meed feedback

[noble knoll]

The red smoke cheapens the look somehow

Try making it fade a little bit on the top so it wouldn’t look like it just got slapped in randomly, much like how smoke just fades around objects

[final tinsel]

ops?

[thick ginkgo]

4/10

[thick ginkgo]

dont forget the back of the head

also push the eye back

the nose has to make a // shape

everything seems aight just has to work on your side profile

i'd also learn the planes and how to construct a head from shapes [reilly head method is good for this]

[bronze imp]

@slim mural

Yo dms

[sleek pumice]

ARGGHHH MATEYS the wolflord of the seven seas is sailing straight towards us!

[desert tulip]

thoughts? made with ai

[lyric shale]

i dunno what’s going on with the shield 💀💀

tryna fix it 🙏

[noble knoll]

Ai shit is invalid as hell

[desert tulip]

why you hate ai so much 💀

[noble knoll]

[noble knoll]

Why not

I specifically hate it when people use the AI and claim as if they drew it all up

[desert tulip]

fair

[noble knoll]

The AI is used for entertainment

Then i have no problem

[noble knoll]

But this

[lone dagger]

whats the ai called

[noble knoll]

I don’t use AI 💀

[lone dagger]

do you know though?

[noble knoll]

Most I did was chat with Clyde

[lone dagger]

i wanna see what it can make

[noble knoll]

No

[lone dagger]

darn

[desert tulip]

bing

[lone dagger]

bing made that

[desert tulip]

yea

you just need to give it the right prompt

[lyric shale]

lowkey at this point i should just paint over the entire thing and restart 😭

[lone dagger]

top right one actually looks roblox ish

[lyric shale]

im so mad that my pens went green bruh 😭😭

i used „cool grey“

[lyric shale]

nearly there 🗣️🗣️

[sleek pumice]

First fursuit ever

[keen willow]

Leonardo. Ai

[upbeat sonnet]

Currently working on it! ❤️

[lyric shale]

i give up bruh 💀💀💀💀

[plush granite]

julius caesar if he was in tf2 ☠️

[zenith ledge]

Find God

[sleek pumice]

Tf

[bitter pendant]

fr

[lyric shale]

HELL yeah u recognised him

that lowkey makes me happy ngl

[plush granite]

i love the style i just cant take it seriously because they look like the tf2 characters

[violet solar]

what can i add to this?

[plush granite]

soul

[lyric shale]

😭😭🙏

[spark thicket]

anyone know of a brush that resembles this?

photoshop brush specifically

im unsure what this type of brush is called but ive seen similar ones used in concept art

[lyric shale]

any sort of textured brush

you could probably find one similar if you search „ps textured brush pack“ and then look through different packs

[spark thicket]

alright got it

[noble knoll]

Looks like oil brush

[spark thicket]

how do people make it so that the more they brush in a certain area adds up more to the color

[noble knoll]

But heck any textured brush could do

[spark thicket]

ive just found the exact brush somehow

[noble knoll]

Tends to be oil brush

At least that’s what it is in CSP for me

[spark thicket]

but in my case the brush is very opaque

[noble knoll]

Oh?

What’s the name of it

[noble knoll]

You can lower the opacity down

[spark thicket]

what is the difference between opacity and flow

yea seems like opacity done did the trick

but curious ive been using flow as if its opacity

[noble knoll]

I have no idea what flow is

Broke

[vapid salmon]

same

[noble knoll]

Also don’t hire outside marketplace #marketplace-info @vapid salmon

[vapid salmon]

oh sorry ok

[noble knoll]

Opacity settings is basically transparency percentage

[vapid salmon]

im new

[noble knoll]

Dunno the fuck is flow tho

Is that in photoshop? @spark thicket

[spark thicket]

yea

[noble knoll]

Hm

That looks like an airbrush icon

Try fooling around with airbrush and flow then?

I’m just guessing with common sense here

don’t have flow in CSP but I got density there

weird to explain but

It makes your paint feel lesser?..

[lyric shale]

bro does NOT own air nz 😭😭🙏🙏

[vapid salmon]

ANZ Roblox

i do

@noble knoll u know anyone i can hire for under or 50 R$ to buld?

[noble knoll]

No.

Nobody gonna build for a few cents in here for sure

[vapid salmon]

[vapid salmon]

bruh

im broke 😭

[vapid salmon]

how bowt 100?

[noble knoll]

The entry price in here is 1k-1.5k

And depending on the task it can go up more

[vapid salmon]

bru

thats stuped