code-discussion

[thick crater]

use pastebin next time or similar filesharing not to flood chat
i think you could use square distance instead of checking distance with every mouse movement
also use RunService.RenderStepped:Connect(function() instead of mouse.Move for better performance

Overall pretty nice

[warm spindle]

what are these searches bru

[heavy shadow]

xD

btw what are u even searching

help me

i dont knw what to do next

[hearty lion]

https://devforum.roblox.com/t/all-about-entity-component-system/1664447

[dusky relic]

Let's just say.. it's not about grass nor trees.

[rotund pawn]

My game has huge map, so most of map is not loaded. Yet I want to set location marker to part outside of render distance, is that possible?

[versed arch]

if it is outside of the render distance, it still wont be rendered in... buuut you can make it so that the character has a map of the map with the waypoints/landmarks written on them

[rotund pawn]

What if I create workspace model that has Model streaming enabled always rendered?

[versed arch]

you can try and look for tutorials on how to render objects from far away, i'm sure there are some

unless you wanna mess around with the billboard gui

[rotund pawn]

Okay this solution worked 😄

[lofty terrace]

Ty!

[strange surge]

Jo

[tender abyss]

how do u make rigs do animations in loop

[subtle fractal]

How does a Service Module differ from other modules?

IE PlayerService.luau

[dim compass]

just a naming practice i believe

but ususally they behave like singletons

[subtle fractal]

isnt this how you require a module

am i tapped

[median tree]

youre prob requiring each other

[subtle fractal]

Oh im genuinely tapped

[jade swift]

Is claude great to learn scripting in roblox studio

[frigid wagon]

any ai is bad

[subtle fractal]

effing hell i finally set up the type

oops small tweak made

I was rewriting a new table instead of modifying a global one

[haughty sapphire]

what ru making

[subtle fractal]

im js startong to build a combat system

Starting witrh a basic stats module

that creates, fetches, and modifies a player's stats

@haughty sapphire this makes it that the Modifier Parameter can be either of tese right?

[versed arch]

you can use it to learn, but letting it make code is a no go

[subtle fractal]

Yeah

[haughty sapphire]

yes

[subtle fractal]

@jade swift #1 thing to always prioritize in programming is essentially system design. Dont ask claude to make code for you, ask it to show you the architecture and design of the code, kinda like pseudocode but vaguer.

This will make you learn alot better and more effeciently as opposed to simply asking it to make code for you

[jade swift]

Alright

[subtle fractal]

At the very base of it, the roblox game and any system in general or game requires architecture. An engineer can only do so much to build something if they don't know or have the blueprint. But an architect has it much better because they have the blueprint and design, all thats left to do is the actual building. Its like driving without knowing the direction; sure, you're driving, but where to?

The same concept applies in game development or development in general. To code well you need system design, not just complex code

[jovial moat]

Did you mean to return PlayerStats[Player] instead of PlayerStats?

[subtle fractal]

YEP

[jovial moat]

Okay yeah deffo fix that mistake lol

[jade swift]

You're a smart guy

[jovial moat]

You can also say that the function returns the player stats type for autofill purposes

[subtle fractal]

i just speak like pyro

xd

[subtle fractal]

Driving without a direction will sometimes lead you to the correct destination, but often times it will lead you to dead ends(errors in code) or into a field in the middle of nowhere(forgetting correct architecture)

[jovial moat]

Me when I

local function kms<T>(foo : T, bar : typeof(newproxy(false))) : {[T] : (T) -> T}
    bar[foo] = function(val : T) : T
        return foo
    end
    
    return bar
end

[iron kraken]

me when im dumb

https://tenor.com/view/popcat-popcatsolana-gif-8443229810773949707

[haughty sapphire]

what is newproxy

[haughty sapphire]

tbf when ur new u are struggling with implementation details so u cant really focus on design

[jovial moat]

https://create.roblox.com/docs/reference/engine/globals/LuaGlobals#newproxy

[haughty sapphire]

why is the type of bar a userdata

[jovial moat]

it's just me bullshitting

[haughty sapphire]

is userdata even a table

[jovial moat]

yes and no

[haughty sapphire]

explain

[jovial moat]

It's just a fancy table

Here is an example of me using newproxy for a symbol:

-- Author: iGottic

--[=[
    @class Symbol
]=]

local Symbol = {}

-- Types
export type Symbol = typeof(newproxy(true))

--[=[
    Creates a blank userdata that can be converted into a string.

    @param Name string -- The string representing the symbol
    @return Symbol
]=]

function Symbol.new(Name : string)
    local self = newproxy(true)

    getmetatable(self).__tostring = function()
        return Name
    end

    return self
end

--[=[
    Creates a blank symbol.

    @return Symbol
]=]

function Symbol.newNameless()
    local self = newproxy(true)

    return self
end

--[=[
    Equivalent to `tostring`, gets the string name from a Symbol.

    @param ThisSymbol Symbol -- The symbol you're checking
    @return Symbol
]=]

function Symbol.AsString(ThisSymbol : Symbol)
    return tostring(ThisSymbol)
end

return Symbol

[jovial moat]

Assuming a = Symbol.new("Hello") and b = Symbol.new("Hello"), then a ~= b but tostring(a) == tostring(b)

[jovial moat]

Wym

[weary socket]

Username changes

[subtle fractal]

If you change your username

[jovial moat]

Player.Name changes based on your username. For persistent data, use Player.UserId

[weary socket]

He means does it change within the same play session

[jovial moat]

No

[subtle fractal]

i dont mean that

I mean

[weary socket]

So i guess he would need to query their username based on id

Ok

[subtle fractal]

if i store a player's data in a global table using their username

I.E for a datastore

and they change their username

[jovial moat]

Use their UserId instead, since that can't change

[subtle fractal]

will it break

[subtle fractal]

Aler

[weary socket]

Yeah it will

[subtle fractal]

ohk

[jovial moat]

When username changes, Player.Name changes

[eternal ridge]

what is the difference between a value and a key in a dictionary?

[hearty lion]

Everything is the difference 🥀

[weary socket]

They can be any value/type except a key will have some restrictions because not all datatypes will work well as keys in terms of indexing. But legit they are both values, keys are used to find the associates value in one go but you cant do that vice-versa without some other strategy

[eternal ridge]

Nevermind I worded that wrong

I was trying to ask what difference it would make if I used [] in a key instead of just typing it out but now I know

[hearty lion]

Dot indexing is the same as bracket indexing, except bracket indexing will take an expression

tb["hello"] = 1
-- is equivalent to 
tb.hello = 1
-- is equivalent to
tb["he" .. "llo"] = 1

[eternal ridge]

thanks

[uncut nest]

they are essentially the same. But [] indexing can index a key with space which dot indexing cannot.

[haughty sapphire]

why do the comments make it more confusing 😭

[arctic ginkgo]

so im using the free version of powerpoint which is quite restricted, and the servers are down for editing image format properties like brightness, so i had claude ai Create an entire addon, XML file, that sources from a free website hoster called netify, to then let me directly edit the image within powerpoint and then it imports it.

[uncut nest]

uhh

[arctic ginkgo]

it flippin works

[uncut nest]

is advertising allowed?

[arctic ginkgo]

no it is not

oops i didnt realize it showed my brand

hold on

[hearty lion]

well this isn't the minecraft reddit

i don't think they'll count your image showing your brand as advertising

[haughty sapphire]

so newproxy(true) just returns a table with its metatable already set to another table? is that it?

[hearty lion]

no

[haughty sapphire]

what does it do then?

[arctic ginkgo]

so im using the free version of powerpoint which is quite restricted, and the servers are down for editing image format properties like brightness, so i had claude ai Create an entire addon, XML file, that sources from a free website hoster called netify, to then let me directly edit the image within powerpoint and then it imports it.

[hearty lion]

it creates a userdata with an empty metatable inside

a userdata can be used like a table, but isn't a table

so it doesn't hold any data

it just holds a metatable

[hasty crater]

typeof(newproxy 😨

[haughty sapphire]

they were setting keys in a userdata tho

[hearty lion]

no, he was only setting keys in the metatable of that userdata

[haughty sapphire]

he gave false to the argument so it didnt have a metatable

and even if it did wouldnt it not set in the metatable unless u override .__newindex metamethod

[hearty lion]

no.. he used newproxy(true) in his example

[haughty sapphire]

im talking abt the previous one

[fervent belfry]

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[hearty lion]

oh that's just type stuff

in that example newproxy(false) is assumed to be a proxy with __newindex set in the metatable

i think

i don't use newproxy

[kindred pulsar]

im 5 months into scripting any tips

[jovial moat]

pretty much

kind of

but yes

sure

[heady sluice]

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[weak radish]

You can't store can attack client side for a start

[heady sluice]

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[versed arch]

just use an animation event, those exist for a reason

[weak radish]

are you saying you rely on can attack being accurate client side tho

[heady sluice]

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[versed arch]

?

just put them where the client can't access... like serverstorage

[heady sluice]

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[mellow notch]

Yo does anyone here have experience with editablemeshes. I am trying to make one and no matter what I do it does not render but its there and I can walk on it and my camera interacts with it

[heady sluice]

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[versed arch]

also what do you mean by exploitable

[heady sluice]

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[weak radish]

just run a check on the client to see if they're on cooldown and if not, show the animation and get the server to check if they're actually off cooldown and then if they are, apply the global effects like damage etc

[versed arch]

for more accurate execution of certain code blocks that specifically target animations

[heady sluice]

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[heady sluice]

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[versed arch]

maybe because you're doing certain math that the server has to handle inside of a client, no wonder the latency will shit itself

[heady sluice]

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[weak radish]

I do systems like that all the time, that's what you do for everything, apply client side changes without reality checks server side and then the changes that actually matter like health you get the server to do if the player passes the checks

it's not hard compared to other elements of programming

[versed arch]

or maybe use a remotefunction if you don't want too much latency

[heady sluice]

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[weak radish]

remote functions don't decrease latency rather than remote events...

[heady sluice]

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[kindred pulsar]

yo im 5 months into scripting any tips, it feels like im stuck

[shy cipher]

in what way

[kindred pulsar]

like idk what to do or how to learn

[shy cipher]

go read this

[kindred pulsar]

[primal jacinth]

how are you recommending this

this is purely focussed on lua itself

[shy cipher]

by sending it

[shy cipher]

loa 🤤🤤🤤

[primal jacinth]

i wouldnt recommend it to someone who feels stuck

reckona he wont get past page 6

also a lot of it wont theres no use for in studio

[shy cipher]

most of lua applies to luau except for like the goto keyword and a lotta other stuff but generally it applies, I think the object oriented chapter is masterclass

I shoulda also mentioned he should skip the non-studio parts like the io library

[primal jacinth]

or tuples

[primal jacinth]

when was this book written do you know that

[shy cipher]

nah I Just pirated it and called it a day

[primal jacinth]

pirate this 😭

its uploaded a million times on pdf library

[shy cipher]

it's on lua 5.3, I think 5.1 would have been more useful

since luau is based on that

[primal jacinth]

bro

[celest grove]

what

[primal jacinth]

you send block oof code with 0 explenation

[celest grove]

you mean comments?

like "--"?

[primal jacinth]

that too

[celest grove]

wdym

[primal jacinth]

you ask is it okay

what should be okay

[celest grove]

is the code ok?

any issues or smth i made bad

nvm, it's simple code so whatever

[nova shore]

is code discussion only for Roblox Related stuff

[versed arch]

not necessarily

there are people here who know stuff like C or Python or really anything that comes to mind

though sometimes people do talk about random things

[brisk harness]

who here has 2-3 years of coding just asking

[fallen sand]

i have 3 days

[versed arch]

i have probably a month worth of coding in total

i think i'm qualified!

[celest grove]

what happened?

[naive swift]

Unnecessary redundant variables and incorrect documentation for the last function definition: @return Symbol but it returns a string

[sturdy dirge]

How did u make that in a seperate kinda text

[celest grove]

you mean that?
local thing = 1

or newproxy?

for first one you need to write ```lua at the start, switch to next line and close with ```

[sturdy dirge]

yes like that

like this?

wow

thanks for telling me

[celest grove]

no you dont need to separate ``` from lua

[celest grove]

np

[median echo]

i need help, how do you get the 'respawn character' death/oof animation on an npc?

eveyrthing i try doesnt work and i cant find anything on the internet

r15 npc

[celest grove]

you mean how to make death animation on an npc?

[median echo]

yes

[static sleet]

Yes

[median echo]

like how the limbs separate and explode outwards

[celest grove]

Disable humanoid's destroying joints

Humanoid.BreakJointsOnDeath = false

[median echo]

humanoid.BreakJointsOnDeath = false

i already tried this yeah

[celest grove]

and try to disable dead state

humanoid:SetStateEnabled(Enum.HumanoidStateType.Dead, false)

if you keep this both together, it should let your npc last longer to be able to play death animation

and then you can destroy it by just writing ```lua
Npc:Destroy()

[celest grove]

oh wait

you tried this and npc still got destroyed after dying?

[celest grove]

if it's disabled then your Humanoid.Died wont get fired

[median echo]

it would just fall as one attached body

[celest grove]

dont disable enum.humanoisstatetype.dead then

Did you try to anchor HumanoidRootPart and play animation with priority "Action"?

after dying?

[median echo]

uhm

there is no animation to play i think i had to delete motor6d

deleting motor6d was the fix

tysm for your help tho @celest grove

[celest grove]

alr

[grand leaf]

Anyone know how to spawn brainrots and actually have them spawn on the floor cuz some spawn on the floor n others in the air and I can’t seem to find which part I should anchor

[static sleet]

Attach a part to each one of them

Like a new part

[halcyon mantle]

Hellooooo anyone thats new to scripting wanna learn together?

[static sleet]

What's new

[dry sleet]

Why is everyone making brainrot games 😭

[normal solar]

"why is everyone trying to get money and blow up and be popular and get all the guys and girls at school and also a commendation from the pentagon 😭"

[opal prism]

who can help me figure out why my sword isnt positioned correctly when the player is idle, and lunging it?

[static sleet]

Fast + money

[lean canopy]

https://www.roblox.com/games/114640202062357/Swing-Obby-for-Brainrots how much would it cost to make a game like this for just scripting

[dry sleet]

Imagine some guy telling their girlfriend that they got all of their money from Escape the Brainrot School Admin Troll Obby on Roblox

[normal solar]

shit only matters if you have a big ego
if you stacking more bread than the average walmart cashier than thats all that matters

[dry sleet]

That’s fair

I wish more people made genuinely good games though

[dry sleet]

Having a big ego isn’t really a bad thing in that regard, right?

[normal solar]

no cuz pride becometh the fall bud

[glossy rapids]

theres so many templates on youtube

[lean canopy]

what templates are the good ones

[lean canopy]

actually I'm not looking for an exact game

just like a similar concept

i already have everything made

[celest grove]

i think she wont even care about it

if he's rich, then it doesnt matter

if it do matter, owner of "grow a garden" (jandel) wouldn't have a wife

[dense iris]

ssigh.

[normal solar]

this not even ai

@molten jackal

[molten jackal]

who codes like that lol

[normal solar]

name an ai that codes like that

[molten jackal]

claude

[normal solar]

❌

[molten jackal]

lol?

[normal solar]

you just calling anything ai lol

claude doesnt code like that at all

[molten jackal]

what u on about

u asked me a question and i asnwered

[normal solar]

its ok to be wrong

[molten jackal]

and then randomly come to the conclusion i call anything ai

[normal solar]

yea u called it ai and i said ur wrong

i asked what ai codes like that u said claude and i said ur wrong

[molten jackal]

local DataService = require(game.ServerScriptService.Server.DataService)

[normal solar]

how does this prove a point

[molten jackal]

normal people usually put requires at the top but AI often places them locally

comments that explain simple code lol

[normal solar]

wrong lol

thats a human error

formatting is doodoo as well

"Does checking stuff for resonance acceptance"

you gotta be dense if you think thats an ai comment

heres claude's iteration of the script

[molten jackal]

i only mentioned claude as a guess

[normal solar]

oh so ur clueless

ok, thats all i need to know, have a good one

[molten jackal]

LOL?

ur funny

[normal solar]

and u dont know what ur talking about

[molten jackal]

yes i do??

local Players = game:GetService("Players")
local ReplicatedStorage = game:GetService("ReplicatedStorage")

local function HandlePlayerChat(player, message)
if not player or not message then
return
end
end

look at this lmfao

textbook structure even when it's unnecessary 😭

[normal solar]

what is this supposed to prove

[molten jackal]

.

[normal solar]

correlation to screenshot?

[molten jackal]

what screenshot?

[normal solar]

the one he sent that you said was ai code

[molten jackal]

ye

[normal solar]

how does the snippet you just sent correlate to that at all

[molten jackal]

im slow

i might be hallucinating

2 am let me be

[sharp oak]

Anyone know if it’s possible to let players like the game from inside the game just by pressing a button or something?

[regal salmon]

i dont think you can prompt them to like the game but you can prompt them to favorite it

[dark juniper]

Some guy would’ve figured it out by now

And it would be in every simulator game

so no

[dense apex]

Heya, super strange one basically I’m looking at possibly making a retro SCP game I’m talking 2019-2020 esque where SCP’s just run into players to kill them, etc. No real special effects. Was wondering how much people would charge for a handful of SCP’s with some very basic effects 10-15, basic raycasting gun system with 10-15 guns, team management, morph handler, door system (insert keycard into door to open), etc. How much would you guys charge in your opinion for a super retro game like this?

[potent igloo]

how are you rendering

[dense iris]

ninjas argued for 20mins abr if my code is ai or not im crying

@normal solar

[normal solar]

ur welcome

[dense iris]

good defense

i legit js recently started learning datastorages yo

[lofty terrace]

dubs

[weak tundra]

ai is a good tool for help with coding fs though it’s prob not the best for writing whole games

[flint trench]

yo can someone teach me how to build or make good looking GUI

[weak tundra]

I would ask ui designers not programmers but figma is a good starting a point I suppose

[flint trench]

figma?

[weak tundra]

It’s a tool ui designers use

[dense iris]

i dont use it to make an entire game

all i did was to help me organize / format my module

[weak tundra]

Yeah then don’t listen to people who shun you for it

[lofty terrace]

You recon it’s good enough for structuring?

[lament hazel]

guys should I become a software engineer? i already know luau and python but im scared Ai might replace software engineer soon because the entry level already got replaced by ai

[weak tundra]

don’t really know you’d have to experiment around with it

[lofty terrace]

Human supervision is necessary for coding

Just keep becoming better and better to stay ahead of others

[lament hazel]

im 16 and already master luau and medium of python

[lofty terrace]

Plus AI might not even stay around to be so accessible for long since it’s not profitable whatsoever

[lofty terrace]

ah

Still have to learn that

Don’t want exploiters demolishing my sh

[lament hazel]

should I just become cyber security since its the only job ai can't replace

[lofty terrace]

why not becoming the one supervising the AI itself?

[lament hazel]

its already been supervising by millions of people

[lofty terrace]

No?

[lament hazel]

when I join the college it would for sure be already completed

[lofty terrace]

Nope

[lament hazel]

uh may I ask how

[lament hazel]

I honstly would become cyber security I guess they earn 200k a year not that bad

[lofty terrace]

You can always change specialities if you know the basics

[lament hazel]

basics of which langaunge?

[lofty terrace]

Idk, I never looked into that job market lol

I’m basing this off of CE major

they all get the same core classes and then stem out into their own thing either during or after graduation

[lament hazel]

dang, may I ask what job market are you interested in/in already

[lofty terrace]

Civil engineering

[lament hazel]

my college system is kinda different because of my country

[lofty terrace]

fairs

[lament hazel]

great job man

[lofty terrace]

Not in it yet lol

[lament hazel]

im just afraid i might become homeless in the next 5 years lol

[lament hazel]

Hope you get in it soon bro

[lofty terrace]

Same lmfao

it’s the only thing I can imagine enjoying for a long time

otherwise i’m fried

[lament hazel]

im kinda cooked idk what should I choose

[lament hazel]

ai in 5-10 years would for sure replace meduim programmers I think or maybe even master

[lofty terrace]

see if your school offers programs to explore future professions

maybe you’ll see smth that interests you

[lofty terrace]

yes but again

[lament hazel]

it doesn't sadly 😭

[lofty terrace]

its funding is already insanely questionable

[lament hazel]

im only interested in soft ware engineering because I already were learning them at the age of 14

[lament hazel]

I mean I already have 3 grands rn

student debt is the last thing I would think about since I already have a great side hustle

[slender cave]

@lament hazel What langs do u know

[lament hazel]

python and luau

[lofty terrace]

The AIs funding, not yours

[lament hazel]

oh

[lofty terrace]

They spend billions without seeing any returns off of that

[lament hazel]

but I believe that more people will start use Ai more and it can be profitable

since sora 2 made billions of dollars

[lofty terrace]

Ehhhh doubt it

Not off of normal consumers

[lofty terrace]

and saw like 95% drop in user activity immediately

Shit died so fast after the hype

[lofty terrace]

99% within a month mb*

[lament hazel]

it still alive and making millions of dollars though

[lofty terrace]

It’s not

[lament hazel]

I believe there's gonna be an app that will do better than sora 2

but for now I will try not to stress about jobs ngl

[lofty terrace]

It’s not generating profit whatsoever

None of the AIs we use are

[slender cave]

AI will never surpass humanity. Ever

[lament hazel]

but entry level already got replaced 😭

[lofty terrace]

Meh

[slender cave]

Not quite

[lament hazel]

I mean to be fair entry level is like the average programmer or even less

[lofty terrace]

AI is a parrot

It sees a source and repeats what it saw

[slender cave]

AI is just how it sounds. Artificial intelligence. It can't and won't surpass human intelligence

[lament hazel]

I mean it still can replace mid/master level in the future but in like 10-20 years

[slender cave]

To a point it can. But it won't indefinitely replace humankind

[lofty terrace]

we’ll see

[lament hazel]

the point is we don't know what holds in the future plus I can't throw my future like that over (it can/it can't)

im trying to join a job with good income and not so many risks

[lament hazel]

I agree but still humans are the ones who's creating it

[slender cave]

Humans will outlast AI

AI cannot reproduce

[lament hazel]

Man how can that help my case

[lofty terrace]

Unless robots 😈

Technically if given a body it could establish an assembly line

[slender cave]

AI will definitely replace things, just not on a global scale

[lofty terrace]

Idk anything about ai like that anyways

[slender cave]

Every human on earth is smarter than AI. AI does not have an IQ

[full folio]

Unc🔥

[lofty terrace]

@lament hazel you are worrying too much imo

you either have a job or not

[lament hazel]

the problem is I can't throw my future like that

[lofty terrace]

that’s the reality for all professions

[lament hazel]

theres too many risks

[lofty terrace]

There are risks everywhere

[lament hazel]

yet software engineering has the most 😵‍💫

[slender cave]

AI will never be as good as human in most things

[hollow summit]

😭

[lament hazel]

we Know bro we are talking about software engineers in the future

[slender cave]

Oh. yeah were cooked

[lament hazel]

engineers might or can be replaced completely in the future decades

[lament hazel]

dude 😭

[slender cave]

[hollow summit]

the job will transform completely and it wont take decades

[lofty terrace]

ye that’s why do politics

[lament hazel]

should I just join tech instead of software engineering then

[lofty terrace]

you either retire a millionaire or die a fresh spawn

[snow veldt]

join what you love, because if you join anything else you won't go that far

[lament hazel]

the point is I learned luau and python for nothing

[slender cave]

Not true at all

[lament hazel]

but when I join any company to work as software engineer they say they won't need me

[hollow summit]

i mean you can do whatever you like. if ai impacts whatever u want to do, id learn how to utilize it thats all

[lofty terrace]

If you dint enjoy it then yes, if you can create large projects that will make you happy and could have an impact on others then no

[slender cave]

AI wont reach us for another few decades

[snow veldt]

if they didn't need you, you wouldn't be working as a softwareengineer in the first place

trust

[lament hazel]

to be fair roblox games right now be floping

[snow veldt]

these jobs won't be replaced by AI

[lament hazel]

I learned programming because of roblox

[hollow summit]

they'll be replaced by ppl abusing ai for now yeah

[lament hazel]

cyber security cannot be replaced but the other it can

[hollow summit]

raw ai still takes a bit

[snow veldt]

but AI definetly will become a skill, knowing how to use ai tools properly will be a tool in the future thats for sure

[lofty terrace]

chances are the only way it continues development is to act as a weapon and surveillance system for the government

[snow veldt]

you know to use AI to its fullest for programming you have to understand and be able to write code anyways

[lament hazel]

so I just have to 50/50 my future 🥹

[lament hazel]

and theres people for that

[hollow summit]

most cognitive tasks will be superseeded in <5 years if its slow

[slender cave]

And this was said like 5 years ago too

[snow veldt]

Dude have you looked at #scripter-hiring trust me, the money will not be running dry any time soon

[lament hazel]

man

im talking about my future

[hollow summit]

not rly no

[slender cave]

@lament hazel We will be long dead when AI replaces the first software engineer

[lament hazel]

I made 3k off commisions but thats nothing irl

[lament hazel]

which is in the next decade probally

[lofty terrace]

I mean depends how much time it took you

3k is a lot

[slender cave]

41% of code on GitHub is AI generated

[lament hazel]

I work 6 hours a day for just 70 dollars dude

commisions is bad

[snow veldt]

That's why you don't focus on commissions, what I would do personally is take commissions until I have a setup that lets me handle my stuff properly > Use more commissions to build funds > put those funds straight back into myh own projects

[lofty terrace]

Ouch

[lament hazel]

3k is not alot in real life

[hollow summit]

llm's started popping up late 2022 to early 2023 and they were completely and utterly useless back then... go 3 years forward and it has global impact and there are trillions being dumped into it with every reputable lab hard abusing it xd

[snow veldt]

that's how I'd do it

[lament hazel]

it pays rent

[hollow summit]

shit will NOT take decades...

[snow veldt]

comissions arent really meant to be long term

[lofty terrace]

not horrible but ow

[snow veldt]

you can get jobs at studios aswell like salary based jobs

[lament hazel]

projects which will have 1k visits and 0 ccu

[snow veldt]

like $100K Anually even

its just up to you and how good yhou want to get at scripting

[lofty terrace]

Nah

[lament hazel]

average macdonalds employee gets 20$ an hour

[lofty terrace]

where 😂

[lament hazel]

what make you think 70 dollars a day isn't horrible

[lament hazel]

everywhere

[slender cave]

Why do people measure in CCU instead of DAU

[granite zenith]

Who wants to work with me in a game

[hollow summit]

make a good project, build a studio, buy games, scale games.. its doable if you are ambitious and passionate

[lament hazel]

ccu mostly gets you the most montizi

[lofty terrace]

bc the rate you gave me is above minimum wage?

[lament hazel]

most games flop now days

[hollow summit]

most games always flopped and will always flop, cuz they are bad xd

[lament hazel]

still a mc employee making more than a programmer is horrible

[lofty terrace]

on contrary, I’ve seen more and more games do well

[snow veldt]

CCU ~= Monetization

[lofty terrace]

[lament hazel]

brainrot niche isn't working anymore

[lofty terrace]

then don’t do it

[lament hazel]

thats what I mean by mostly

[hollow summit]

brainrot is doing okay still, regardless i wouldn't go for that type of stuff anyway

[lament hazel]

other niches are dead only ones are working is anime stuff

[snow veldt]

Nahh its all about how your game is monetized, there are games with 1k ccu that be making more than others with 5k

[slender cave]

Running AI's is much more expensive than just paying people to do things @lament hazel . This is one of the main reasons it wont replace every job

[snow veldt]

but yea ccu is goated

[lofty terrace]

Then take a different major instead of coding if you think it’s so doomed

[hollow summit]

this is not going to be a thing in the near future

[lament hazel]

chatgpt/claude/gemeni LITERALLY cost 10-20 dollars for pro which can give u a good entry/mid level programmer

[lament hazel]

thats the point which one

[snow veldt]

you know bro on roblox there are jobs that be paying 6 figures anually, salaried and stable

like thats on roblox

[lofty terrace]

STEM degrees or Medical field

[slender cave]

The mona lisa will always be worth more than an amazing painting by AI. @lament hazel @hollow summit . It's the human values that people value

[snow veldt]

now imagine outside of roblox

millionsssssss to be made out there

[slender cave]

I'm speaking on physical jobs.

[lament hazel]

not commisions only by making games

[hollow summit]

we are not talking about art xd

[snow veldt]

no, im talking about working on someone elses games

at a game studio on roblox

full-time

[lament hazel]

DUDE how that CAN help me in my software engineering

[snow veldt]

you can get positions that are long term

paying you monthly

[lament hazel]

like big do studios/indo studios?

[snow veldt]

any studio

lots of studios give those kind of jobs

[lofty terrace]

would debate that employers care for cost efficiency over quality, as long as it passes the min req and makes more money than invested, it’s good

[lament hazel]

they just asks for commisions immo

[snow veldt]

obviously more bigger ones but yeah

[lofty terrace]

but I see what you meant

[snow veldt]

noo

you can do a commission

but there are full-time long term roles too

[hollow summit]

lots of groups have long term employment

[lofty terrace]

You earn their trust

[snow veldt]

some give you like hourly wage and others a set salary

[lament hazel]

isn't that just a normal long commision

[snow veldt]

you just have to be good

[lament hazel]

I take 5-6 hours per a commision depends on the script

[snow veldt]

brother its called a job

[lament hazel]

which is just long time commisioning

[lament hazel]

a job that gets me paid less than mc employee

[hollow summit]

its called being employed? wdym commission xd

[snow veldt]

broo thats what im sayingm, its all based on how good you are at what you are doing

[lofty terrace]

Facts, a lot of engineering firms technically hold you for the projects, if there are none and you aren’t working then chances are you are out

[zenith mason]

like what task for example?

[lofty terrace]

[lament hazel]

studios asks for long term work which is like long term commisining

[snow veldt]

and with everyone using AI these days, it's insanely easy to get ahead of the game

[zenith mason]

wdym

[lament hazel]

they would give u low payment and if u don't agree they would just kick you out

[lament hazel]

story lines

and missions

[snow veldt]

most people just rely on ai these days

[lofty terrace]

then negotiate for more over time

[snow veldt]

its easy to get ahead of majority when it comes to actual LUA use

[lament hazel]

*all

[zenith mason]

oic true, i thought u meant the opposite

[hollow summit]

thats called being employed bro

[lament hazel]

so I just ask for that?

[snow veldt]

one major thing is

stop thinking so negative

[lament hazel]

and i would still earn less than the min wage workers

[snow veldt]

you dont start at $100k a year

[lament hazel]

how can I stop thinking negative when my future is in there

[snow veldt]

you gotta build bro

[hollow summit]

you can make inf money in roblox if you want to xd

[zenith mason]

how much do u charge per commission? @lament hazel

[lament hazel]

the point is im trying to ask if software engineering will be replaced or not

[zenith mason]

5-6 is wild

[lament hazel]

75-100 dollars

[zenith mason]

oh ok thats fine

[snow veldt]

because worrying and stressing and giving up opportunites because you are scared is not going to be beneficial for your future self

[zenith mason]

^

[lament hazel]

by hosting a popular game

[lofty terrace]

then you end up working at a mcdonald’s bc apparently it’s a stable job

😝

[hollow summit]

yes, its not rocket science

[lament hazel]

I already made 3-4k from my side hustles at the age of 16

[slender cave]

@lament hazel @hollow summit Do you even have the slightest idea how complex software can become? Also Just like with WordPress. People said it would replace web developers. Instead, it created more opportunities for developers because it became much more affordable for small businesses to have websites. Ai replacing programers is like thinking autopilots will replace pilots. Ai wont replace programmers, it'll just help them code

[lament hazel]

I still don't know if I will be able to make 100-200k a year

[snow veldt]

yeah true but there are like actual stable jobs at roblox game studios, not comissions, but like actual full-time roles

[zenith mason]

lowk just go for what ur passionate about, since the careers ur thinking of all make good money

[lament hazel]

by "help them code" that thing anybody can do even a plumber can do that

[lament hazel]

the point is its risky and I can't be in a job thats require gambling/risk

[lofty terrace]

No bc the plumber doesn’t know sh and AI doesn’t know context, only you do

[hollow summit]

if you think ai will take decades in order to do basic SWE work (have you ever used 4.6 opus or 5.3 codex properly?) then you are in for a bumpy ride, thats all i can say

[hollow summit]

there is no risk if you are good

[slender cave]

Not sure what this means at all

[lament hazel]

any average person can learn the basics of programming then just go straight to AI

[snow veldt]

everything worth getting is a risk

uni is a risk

you could pay thousands just to end up working at mcdonalds

[lofty terrace]

and then spend hours upon hours on the simplest task

[snow veldt]

can't be ballin withiout bein all in bro

[lament hazel]

dude entry level already got replaced in 2 years just imagine what will happen in 10-20 years

[lofty terrace]

So may successful people go years and years without anything until they hit

[lament hazel]

uni risk =/ future job risk

[slender cave]

they still cannot match the depth of problem-solving and design expertise that experienced software engineers bring

[lament hazel]

future job risk is like risking 70 years of your life

[slender cave]

And not know what the hell they're doing lol

[lofty terrace]

You’ll be fine bro, unless you are dumb asf you’ll be fine

[snow veldt]

I think you're just being too negative bro

[lofty terrace]

even dumb people succeed

[hollow summit]

ai will completely transform every cognitive digital task yes. that shouldn't bother you as its inevitable. find your passion and niche and just go for it xd

[snow veldt]

just chill and work hard, and then your worst case scenario is just the average life

😭

[lament hazel]

if a person learns basics of programming they for sure will know what they doing

[snow veldt]

life too short to worry about allat

[slender cave]

I'm sorry but this is insanely wrong

[lament hazel]

im trying but it keeps stressing me out

[lament hazel]

I don't want to work 9 to 5

[zenith mason]

not if the program is really huge and advanced with hundreds of scripts

[snow veldt]

if you are stressed then that just means youre not at a level of skill where you can be confident, just keep grinding

[lofty terrace]

I was there before, eventually you realize that as long as you move on, you’ll be more than fine

[hollow summit]

meh, will take 1-2 more years until SWE is pretty saturated, thats just the improvement curve it has rn

[slender cave]

A normal dude that learns to code and uses Ai will not surpass an experienced software engineer in literally any task

[snow veldt]

and you are young, you can afford to take a loss and try again bro

[lofty terrace]

there is no specific way to succeed in life except for action

if you stand and wait for a blueprint you’ll be standing forever

[lament hazel]

how can I keep grinding I already finished everything for coding except learning new langaunges

[zenith mason]

doubt this

[snow veldt]

specialize in one skill man

[lament hazel]

but you'r interseted in politcals/civial stuff which ai cannot replace

[snow veldt]

and you can't kjust "finish" everything

there's always something you can do better

[zenith mason]

"finished everything in coding" do yk how advanced coding can get

[slender cave]

i dont think u understand the complexity of software engineering and the need for human creativity, design, and problem-solving. humanity will continue to create demand for skilled developers for the foreseeable future. It may accelerate automation in certain areas, but it’s insanely unlikely to fully saturate the field in the next 1-2 years

[lofty terrace]

Civil engineering, it can be replaced by AI but it won’t

[lament hazel]

I finished luau completely and still with python

[slender cave]

this exactly

[lament hazel]

how ?

[lament hazel]

I mean't as for passtion and grinding

what else would I grind for in coding

[snow veldt]

💸

[lofty terrace]

AI can learn all the fundamentals and create projects 🤷‍♂️

it’s really linear too

[lament hazel]

the point is if job were to be replaced that thing won't appear to me

[hollow summit]

you are simply unaware of what ai is currently capable of, what it was 1-2 years ago and what it will be 1-2 years in the future... same thing applies to math

[zenith mason]

lowk the real question is why is ai not regulated? 🤔

[lament hazel]

I mean in 5-10-20 years it for sure can replace many jobs

[lofty terrace]

it is

[snow veldt]

keep talking about if bro, and if you can be replaced by an ai then that means that you did not know everything 😭

[lament hazel]

and software engineering is the highest of them

[lofty terrace]

nope

Computers didn’t replace jobs and so won’t AI

[snow veldt]

a good programmer is irreplaceable

[lament hazel]

im just scared if the job will ever be replaced and it has alot of risks

[lofty terrace]

and if it will then become a blue collar worker

[hollow summit]

? xD

[lament hazel]

you know what guys I will just wait and try to see what the future holds for me

[lofty terrace]

Everything became digitized but pepe remained, even when everything could be easily calculated

[hollow summit]

idk why u even bother that much. UBI will hit in like ~15 years anyway if not earlier

[zenith mason]

whats a blue collar worker? physical work?

[lament hazel]

I will also study other mech stuff

[snow veldt]

I think stressing about what's risky and what's not risky, being too scared to act. I think that this mindset is far more riskier

[lofty terrace]

yes

[zenith mason]

o alr

[lofty terrace]

they make good money

[lament hazel]

how can I act as for now

[slender cave]

AI in software engineering still has many limitations in areas requiring human judgment, creativity, and again... complex problem-solving. Just as advancements in math don’t eliminate the need for skilled mathematicians, AI will enhance development processes rather than fully replace the need for experienced engineers. same with autopilots and licensed pilots

[lament hazel]

I bet this message is writtin by ai isn't it

[zenith mason]

😭 bro what

[lament hazel]

the Ai marks

[slender cave]

I guess everything is AI now

Insane...

[zenith mason]

wouldnt ai write
engineers. Same

[lament hazel]

I mean i cannot say its made by ai but I guessed it by looking at the marks

[snow veldt]

what if you are AI trying to give us humans fear that ai is going to replace us so that you can get the jobs @lament hazel

maybe YOU are AI

HMMMMMMMMMMM

[zenith mason]

ohhhhhhhh

he got ihm

[lament hazel]

What

ok guys its enough for today its already 5 am at me

[slender cave]

the "-"?

[lament hazel]

and I didn't sleep

[snow veldt]

chadste that sounds alot like chatgppt

[lament hazel]

no no

its not.

Sayonara guys have a good day

[snow veldt]

wait why did you add puncuation that is awfully AI seeming..

[lament hazel]

👀

[snow veldt]

Bye bye homie

It was nice talking to you

I enjoy talking about these kinds of things

it's a pretty interesting topic

[lament hazel]

me too 🥹

[hollow summit]

You do realize that im not arguing that ppl will stop doing anything. Its a complete transformation for most cognitive tasks and jobs, thats all. Ppl abusing ai will completely zoom past ppl that desperately try to fight against it. Again the rest of your comment is just unrelated buzzword spamming, its the same goalpost moving that ai has been plagued with since the very moment chatgpt first launched. "But it cant do x!".. until it does

and man

i fucking hate doing ui in roblox

this skill tree is killing me

[lament hazel]

one last question how can I act for now as a programmer though

[lament hazel]

I was wondering how much you get paid as ui desginer? per commision

[hollow summit]

idk

[lament hazel]

welp

[hollow summit]

all depends on how good you are and what you are working on / for

[slender cave]

Nothing was unrelated or buzzwords... but I'll personally hand you a $30,000 check if AI replaces everything in 1-2 years.

[lament hazel]

I also do vfx but i get paid really low like 5$ or 1k robux

[hollow summit]

its not "replacing" "everything" in 1-2 years no

[lament hazel]

per commision

[hollow summit]

big studios certainly will pay you a * lot * and you can prob squeeze in high tier commissions on the side too while being perma employed somewhere

[slender cave]

its gonna "automate" "certain" tasks

[hollow summit]

at the end it all just depends on your skill

[slender cave]

But never will it replace Software Engineers.

[hollow summit]

It will be used extensively by most ppl if we are talking about swe

and as i said before, transform the profession

[lament hazel]

I honstly want to create a channel like this since this guy already has hype up for his game

[slender cave]

@hollow summit it will still require skilled professionals to leverage and integrate these tools effectively...

[lament hazel]

but as a anime character like luffy or goku

[snow veldt]

I believe personally, you should invest all of your energy into one skill

you'll make a lot more if you specialize in one thing specifically

[hollow summit]

Obv

[lament hazel]

I do in programming

[lament hazel]

alright I will try then

[snow veldt]

but not only in programming I mean

one language

whether it's LUAU

[lament hazel]

Im almost mastering luau

[snow veldt]

C#

can i see some of your work

[lament hazel]

hold up

[hollow summit]

It still will have nothing to do with what swe used to be like 5 years ago. junior positions will be hell (they are already hell), and the saturation will more and more gravitate towards very experienced ppl doing a * LOT * of work * very * fast.

[lofty terrace]

exactly

[hollow summit]

a very similar schema will be applied to most cognitive jobs that arent very related to arts or physical stuff

[lofty terrace]

We all view AI as an assistant and nothing more

[slender cave]

@hollow summit @lament hazel @lofty terrace

It won’t replace them, it will minimize them. The real winners will be those who can use both

[hollow summit]

physical stuff will have a pretty decent delay until you have the robots + cost factor is properly worth it. some jobs will stay untouched (kinda the unlucrative ones too), a great portion will get heavily automated in the future though

[lofty terrace]

that way you become an efficient worker

[slender cave]

I think AI's are good at being personal assistant or jump up like calculator, back then they would use paper or writing tool to perform simple mathematical work but now we just type that in calculator and boom you get answers. And i doubt that can replace humans in fields because it will cause collapse of system, like who is going to buy a product if there's only a few people who can afford it

[lofty terrace]

bro

I was going to say all of this

Legit about the calculator 😭

[lament hazel]

roblox studio updating smh

[lofty terrace]

Just because you use it doesn’t mean you don’t know math

[slender cave]

AI is NOT replacing a great portion physical jobs

The earth ends before that happens

[hollow summit]

oh it for sure will xd

[slender cave]

Actually no that just will never happen

Explain

[hollow summit]

wdym? xdddd

[slender cave]

There is nooooooo way

[lofty terrace]

You won’t live to see that

[hollow summit]

it'll start rolling out properly in like 10 years or so xd

[slender cave]

there will always be a need for human oversight and craftsmanship

[hollow summit]

not really no

[slender cave]

Always

[slender cave]

Literally always. Name one business ran purely by AI

[lofty terrace]

We aren’t even on AGI

[slender cave]

AI cant replace nature.

We are nature

[lofty terrace]

Do you realize how long it will take to build a model that will replace human function

It would have to go beyond AGI

[slender cave]

More years than earth will exist for

[hollow summit]

there is nothing, like genuinely nothing outside of arts that will really be blocked from ai in terms of cognitive tasks in the far future

[hollow summit]

yeah agi will take ~5 years or so give or take

[lofty terrace]

LOL

[hollow summit]

only issue that might delay things if the infrastructure for robotics is just getting built too slow, but its hard to predict that

but thats really it

[lofty terrace]

Highly doubt it

Like insanely highly doubt it

[lament hazel]

@snow veldt here sorry for the light mode my roblox studio just updated, a good gem and leaderboard stats system

[hollow summit]

delay up to max 10 years is technically possible, but it'd really surprise me

there isnt really any slowdown, and the potency is already absurd given for how many absurd bottlenecks modern llm's still suffer

[slender cave]

there will always be areas. like ethics, complex decision making, and roles requiring deep empathy or human insight. always. Even as AI grows, certain tasks, especially those requiring judgment, context, and emotional intelligence, are going to remain human centric

[hollow summit]

arts sure ethics empathy perhaps if ppl just fundamentally wont entertain the idea... again all of that doesnt really matter to most truly physical jobs xd

[slender cave]

The human brain is infinitely more complex than AI

[hollow summit]

that is true

[slender cave]

It cannot be replicated

[lament hazel]

Ai is created by humans

[hollow summit]

that is not true

[slender cave]

Intelligence cannot be replicated to that degree of a human brain

[hollow summit]

that is also not true

[slender cave]

exactly

[lofty terrace]

Been learning luau 3 day now, I’m so happy I can actually understand most of this

[slender cave]

PLEASE explain this...

[lament hazel]

which make it worse

[hollow summit]

what do you want me to explain

[slender cave]

How AI will replicate the human brain

[lament hazel]

loops and raycast system will make you cry ✌️

[lofty terrace]

Already did

Ahahahahah

[hollow summit]

You can live and in realtime watch how ai is exponentially getting more potent

[slender cave]

tweenservice the most fun thing

[lament hazel]

😭 don't learn from brawl dev tho if you don't wanne waste time

[lofty terrace]

Please suggest

I’ve been watching his stuff for now and I like the pace although I skip through the water

[lament hazel]

devking(outdated) but still good, best thing to learn from is Ai and yeah its true, brawldev is good but he keeps talking long and waste time

[lament hazel]

u can actually learn from ai themself

[lofty terrace]

AI helps reinforce but it’s shit at teaching if you don’t what to ask

😔

[hollow summit]

just use all api's + 4.6 opus and ur good

[lament hazel]

roblox place have them too

[lofty terrace]

fairs

[lament hazel]

ask either claude or gemeni dont ask chatgpt

[lofty terrace]

I use claude

[lament hazel]

and they will make you learn it in like 5-10 mins at max

[lament hazel]

for better perfomance use gemeni if you wanne learn

[lofty terrace]

my friend who codes as a profession suggested anti gravity

I guess that’s google?

[lofty terrace]

I see

[lament hazel]

eh I don't know what that is tbh

[lament hazel]

also brawldev is not bad I would say you should learn from him but after that u can learn from ai as well

[slender cave]

@lament hazel @lofty terrace @hollow summit

Replicating the MERE complexity of the human brain goes FAR beyond simply processing information like AI. it involves consciousness, emotional intelligence, and deep contextual understanding, which are shaped by MILLIONS of years of evolution. The intricate network of BILLIONS of neurons and the brain’s ability to adapt, learn, and makedecisions based on diverse, nuanced experiences is something AI has yet to even come close to replicating and never ever ever WILL replicate. Even with exponential progress, AI STILL lacks the biological foundation and evolutionary history that humans possess. its impoissible for AI to reach human cognition

[lament hazel]

after that it will take you about 1 month to learn advanced system

[lofty terrace]

I just need the basics really

[lofty terrace]

That’s surprisingly fast

[lament hazel]

chill didn't need to type all that we all know humans are better than ai

[lament hazel]

I mean if you stay consist

[hollow summit]

i should make a buzzword counter

[lament hazel]

you can learn advanced stuff in 1-2 months

[lofty terrace]

See you in this chat in 1-2 months 😈

[slender cave]

You prove absolutely nothing

[hollow summit]

all of this work just to get mogged at GO / chess by dogshit ai eons ago

[lament hazel]

Bet

[slender cave]

I dont understand how you think AI will reach the level of the human brain. I really dont

[hollow summit]

You dont have an argument. It can be distilled to "its complex therefore its impossible". You are looking at exponential improvement and just ignoring the implication of it

[lofty terrace]

The brain is unpredictable

AI would explode trying to replicate that

[hollow summit]

well it isnt random, but it is still not understood well enough

[slender cave]

We havent even studied the brains full capacity

[slender cave]

Not enough storage at all

Or energy

[wild pine]

i mean a fly brain was fully mapped

[lofty terrace]

SSDs boutta cost 10 grand per gigabyte

[lofty terrace]

Yoo I saw that video too

[lament hazel]

what im saying is coding already have limits for now and Ai knows from the start to limit so it can generate good/advanced scripts already by all means it will even reach master level for sure in like the next decades

[slender cave]

a FLY

[lofty terrace]

They even made its model and had a simulation

[hollow summit]

years*

[lament hazel]

well maybe

[slender cave]

Do you know how much more complex the human brain is than a FLY's brain

[hollow summit]

yeah it doesnt really matter

[lofty terrace]

meh not so different

[slender cave]

It will still look like garbage AI slop

[lament hazel]

listen man comparing human brain to Ai in programming is nothing Ai will obv win if you gave it more time

[lofty terrace]

some people I’ve seen are even dumber than flies

so we got a chance

[lament hazel]

yet alot of companys uses it

*all

[lofty terrace]

bc it increases their value

[lament hazel]

trust me, you will see in the future

[lofty terrace]

that’s it

[slender cave]

This just will never be true

[lofty terrace]

they are forced to implement AI for investors

[hollow summit]

you are just oblivious man

[wild pine]

we need more ai bros plaguing the front page with brainrot games

[lament hazel]

because hiring employes takes alot of money which they dont like

[lofty terrace]

implementing that AI takes even more money

😂

[lament hazel]

it will if humans keep on creating Ai which already is

[hollow summit]

ai cost gets cut in like 1000x every 1-2 years xd

[slender cave]

If you genuinely think AI is going to become more cognitive than the human brain, you have some sort of issue

[lofty terrace]

yet it is nowhere near profiting

and it’s gotten to a point where ai companies are asking for bail out money from the gov

[lament hazel]

Ai takes less a normal AI works for 30 days for only 10-20$ while a single person would work for 30 days 8 hours a day and still demand 6k a month

[lofty terrace]

[hollow summit]

It is actively being used by every lab arguably working on the most important human achievement ever, but sure ig

[slender cave]

WHO is demanding 6k a month

Were just throwing numbers around

[lament hazel]

you would be suprised by how many programmers get paid

[wild pine]

if ai ever = human brain i feel like that would bring up a lot of ethics issues

[slender cave]

And they are STILL underpaid lol

[lament hazel]

cyber security and top tech companys pay 6k a month

[hollow summit]

it will

[slender cave]

It just cant happen

[lofty terrace]

I guarantee you that AI is nowhere near in assisting true human achievements

as of now it can’t think beyond what already exists

[slender cave]

The human brain created AI

[hollow summit]

both statements here are just factually wrong

[lament hazel]

if you truly study programming you would know by now that Ai for sure will replace programmers tbf

[lofty terrace]

In fact it manages to make simple mistakes even after being fed the data

[lofty terrace]

No?

Google it

Literally

[slender cave]

It cant handle a chatlog over 600KB. Memory starts to get fuzzy

[lament hazel]

I gotta sleep guys, See you later when Im homeless 😮‍💨

[lofty terrace]

AI is based off of existing data 😭

[hollow summit]

ai has solved several open math problems (not super hard ones tbf but thats not the point). additionally as every lab is using ai and expressing the start of recursive improvement - thats just factually wrong too..

[slender cave]

nooo

[hollow summit]

trained off, not limited to

[lofty terrace]

It is

They can’t beyond it

[hollow summit]

i just showed you that it isnt

[lofty terrace]

Do more research

[slender cave]

What has AI achieved that human's can't. (other than response time)

@hollow summit

[wild pine]

ai made tung tung tung sahur

[hollow summit]

you are just wrong and it is easily verifiable. idk what the point here is

[lofty terrace]

Then verify it

😂

I even googled your lab claim and all I see is that it acted as an assistant for things that have been done by humans

[slender cave]

yeah... its limited to what its trained off

[lofty terrace]

Literally not a single thing done on its own outside of its data scope

We are still on the first stage of AI

[slender cave]

@hollow summit Do you understand how AI actually... yk... works

[wild pine]

youre wrong

[bleak glade]

ai has been around for almost 70 years though

not sure how that classifies as a first stage

[hollow summit]

https://github.com/teorth/erdosproblems/wiki/AI-contributions-to-Erdős-problems take a look at this

[slender cave]

41% of Github is AI btw

[lofty terrace]

Ok, I agree with this

let me rephrase it into

[hollow summit]

yeah thats cool

[lofty terrace]

Foundational stage

It’s still being developed into an actual intelligence

[hollow summit]

its just factually wrong

ai's are not just a database index

thats not how they can do * anything *

[wild pine]

what that guy said

[slender cave]

AI is specialized and task oriented, not "intelligent" in the same way humans are. It can surpass humans in certain areas, sure... like calculating large numbers or analyzing massive datasets, but it doesn’t have the capacity for creativity, emotional intelligence, or complex reasoning across a wide range of tasks like a human brain does. i mean it doesnt even come close

[hollow summit]

they can spit out stuff that has nothing to do with the training data, and they can be fed things that have nothing to do with the training data. that is the point of the training data.. how general and consistent ai can keep the "logic" on stuff that its unfamiliar with depends on how well the training data is + was utilized

[hollow summit]

distilled very far, in that sense it is very similar to us human

most people just arent aware of that

[wild pine]

ai has a lot of emotional intelligence i ask ai everday to be my therapist

🙂

[lofty terrace]

Oh hell no

[slender cave]

even with extensive training, AI still operates within the boundaries of its programming and data constraints.you should know this. while yeah its ability to handle unfamiliar inputs improves with better data and training, it still lacks true understanding or reasoning beyond patterns.... unlike human intelligence, which adapts more holistically and intuitively to COMPLETELY novel situations

[hollow summit]

modern llm's are not very specialized anymore no. specialized ai's for aspirational research exist though of course

[hollow summit]

this is just another mess of buzz words

none of the words are in any way verifiable or hold any meaning

[slender cave]

How are they buzzwords. Are buzzwords just words you dont understand or what

Read it again.

[wild pine]

you just have to accept that your entire argument is false because he said so what can i say

[slender cave]

Youre right bro

[hollow summit]

Nothing you say here is a genuine metric of verifiable

the statements are completely unconditional

[slender cave]

yeah sure

[hollow summit]

I can take the same logic and apply it to * anything * it is not an argument

[wild pine]

netting

[slender cave]

1. AI still operates within the boundaries of its programming and data constraints

2. it still lacks true understanding or reasoning beyond patterns

0 buzz words. keep reading

[wild pine]

grind

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hetero

[hollow summit]

uurr our brain operates within the boundaries of its dna and biological / chemical constraints durrr, it can never beat the endless stacking of computing power that never fluctuates or corrodes

[hollow summit]

like cool! it really is just a huge meaningless mess

[slender cave]

t’s also important to recognize the adaptability, emotional intelligence, and intuitive problemsolving that come from evolution, experience, and consciousness... none of which can be replicated by raw computational power alone

so you still make no sense

[hollow summit]

"intuitive problemsolving" "adaptability"

gl trying to beat alphago at go btw

[lofty terrace]

Ok so, after looking into this. There was only one single problem (124) that was done fully autonomously without human intervention. The problem was university level mathematics and the only reason it wasn’t solved prior it because nobody cared to go over all of the loopholes that could have been in place for it

[wild pine]

what is go

[slender cave]

do you know what those words mean or not

[lofty terrace]

[hollow summit]

fully autonomous is not required, and the low hanging fruit portion (which applies to almost all erdos problems) is also irrelevant

[hollow summit]

a very complex game

[lofty terrace]

???

Buddy wdym fully autonomous isn’t required 😂

[wild pine]

bro who tf plays go

[lofty terrace]

The whole point of this debate is that AI can think on its own without any intervention or extra data

[slender cave]

@hollow summit AI is a tool. It still doesn’t get everything right or correct. You still need human interaction, intervention, monitoring, correcting, etc. Learn to use the tool to improve upon your own skills/abilities and improve your workflow. Simple.

[hollow summit]

your claim was "no assisting true human achievements" and "cant think beyond what already exists", which is untrue as you hopefully realized yourself by now..

[wild pine]

im a robot acting on my own volition right now

[hollow summit]

its quite popular in asia

[wild pine]

beat that

[wild pine]

yea that makes sense

[slender cave]

it can NOT think beyond what already exists

[wild pine]

it can tho

[slender cave]

how

[hollow summit]

i literally showed you how it can...

[wild pine]

idk i wanted to lie for no reason

[slender cave]

@hollow summit Also...If AI will replace programmers, who still has to tell the AI to do it...

programmers

[hollow summit]

ur going in circles man

[wild pine]

we get more ai to direct the ai

[subtle fractal]

what does --native and optimize 2 do and strict!

[lofty terrace]

Ok, I agree that it is assisting but only on taking the large task that have already been researched and done before by humans

[slender cave]

@hollow summit There's something that AI can't do that's why software engineers exists till today which is AI can't create a new data... It can only give us data that already exists and combine those datas and not everytime it's correct also like it's also a coded software it also has flaws like using AI for complex situations you will get a grasp that AI itself cannot change but needs a human constantly altering or feeding AI... Since it's a coded software it cannot generate out of thin air like a human so it's safe to say there are sessions in software engineering that are going to be safe but I don't think there's even a slightest possibility that there's going to be an AI that can think and act

[wild pine]

i wish there was an ai that would slap me every time i tried to nap in the afternoon so i could fix my sleep schedule 😞

[hollow summit]

"AI can't create a new data" what does that mean bro

[wild pine]

i think hes trying to say sm like "ai cant create new data"

[lofty terrace]

as for the second part I still stand on how it is incapable of thinking beyond what it was fed

[slender cave]

cant create new data...

[lofty terrace]

the example you gave had an AI that was fed existing math concepts

and all it did was spend time mashing it together

[hollow summit]

Building upon problems that do not have solutions or training data.. how exactly does that work without going beyond?

[lofty terrace]

to get a proper outcome

[hollow summit]

define data

[lofty terrace]

look into the question

[hollow summit]

bro

[lofty terrace]

it simply had the time and resources to find the right pattern that would match

[slender cave]

info..

[lofty terrace]

well for the math problem it was math literature

things that people actually uncovered

[slender cave]

speed does NOT = intelligence @hollow summit

[lofty terrace]

Here the AI did not find a new concept

hence no actual progress was made in the math field

[hollow summit]

idk how you could possibly come to that conclusion when you have ai playing stuff like go...

[wild pine]

is the saying "if worse comes to worse" or "if worst comes to worst" help me out here

emegrency

i need to say something smart

[slender cave]

dude what

[lofty terrace]

There was training data