Add a cooldown to team switch

[solar fiber]

2024 and we still complaing about this? By the way people can just leave and rejoin untill they are on attack so...

🤷

[weak horizon]

Not likely that they will join the same room tbh

[solar fiber]

oh man...it happens a lot same lobby same map same people over and over

[weak horizon]

Must be the time when there's only one server with people there

[solar fiber]

EU around 4 pm

64 p

[weak horizon]

Seems reasonable

[weak horizon]

Oh right, i forgot
... or other servers are full

[misty sigil]

even if they don't actually good players swapping or leaving cause significant imbalance anyway.

There is no solving this problem outside of solving the actual game design issues making defense feel terrible

[weak horizon]

Yah

[spare vale]

Make VIP unlockable for defense team switch, reward more VIP to defense

[solar fiber]

🍿

[weak horizon]

Idk man, they got the name "VIP" for reasons

[lucid scaffold]

We kinda need it at this point. Been seeing people switch to attack more often

[pseudo palm]

Cooldown won’t do anything, people will wait (like they already do now on spectate.) People need to be able to set preferences so they can be put into matches they actually want to play in most of the time.

[weak horizon]

Then just make them wait longer, 20 minutes

[pseudo palm]

Then they will leave the match and keep rejoining matches until they get the side they want

It’s all just skirting around the issue. Let people do what they want easier from the getgo and balance matches based on that.

[weak horizon]

That's quite a problematic solution
You see, it needs time for proper implement, and testing, and even if they do the solution would not 100% solve the problem

Remember when thayic was put into beta?

[pseudo palm]

I agree it’d take some effort. But putting bandaids on the problem is significantly worse in my opinion. Why settle?

And nothing will solve it 100% I agree, but this’d be a hell of an improvement.

[weak horizon]

Not quite i say, since the maps from the start are not balanced for each team

Worse part, this is basically the band-aid overwatch tried, the preference thing

[pseudo palm]

I’d rather people be where they want to be than have perfect balance

[weak horizon]

Nah, that's like asking everyone to set preference to attack

It would just increase the matching time

A lot increasing, i say

This also won't work cause the spaghetti code of chivalry 2 keep interfere on each others already

[pseudo palm]

It… isn’t..? Most folks just want to be on their preferred faction, and hell I personally prefer defense! I’m fine with matchmaking taking longer if the match is what I actually want to play.

I simply think the downsides of implementing this system are worth it

[weak horizon]

What if i tell you that a lot of people don't care about being on faction, but rather just attack team?

[weak horizon]

Also, there's 3 faction now

[pseudo palm]

I would say based on several poles I disagree wholeheartedly

[weak horizon]

What if i tell you, i'm in asian and hardly any asian would even care about this server at all?

Basically, ya forgot the vote from asians

For more information, ask cheese

[pseudo palm]

In fact I’d sat the lions share of the playerbase doesn’t give a shit at all what they’re on.

How many people per match are really scrambling to get on attack. 3 or 4? Out of 60?

Actually fuck it. Leave it as it is then.

[weak horizon]

Welp, either they quit the match or scrambling here

If they failed the spec joining, they would just quit

Which make the ratio between def and atk being 1:2, and even 1:3

One more thing add up to this is that ya can only be balanced out if ya die

Meaning that, as long as ya alive, ya can't be forced to be def

I mean they can literally use some code too force suicide and a warning time message

[weak horizon]

@pseudo palm

[pseudo palm]

Can I help you?

[weak horizon]

They can do the tf2 approuch, which is if there's gonna be a message announcing that ya gonna be force suicide if there's no one dying on around 10 seconds, after that if not enough people died out to replace ya position of balancing, ya gonna get forced to suicide

Which then immediately switch team

[pseudo palm]

No I think it should be left exactly how it is

In fact, remove swap limits and team size limits.

[weak horizon]

Nah, that would just ask for everyone to switch to attack

That would NOT help, cause there's no one to fight, and the W/L will increase infinitely

Which then make people quit the game, rather than teach them any lesson

Cause ya know, why bother playing this game with this kind of boring solution

[pseudo palm]

Yeah I mean if we’re not interested in taking steps to make the experience meaningfully better, why not make it worse?

Reduce def to 40p in 64p lobbies. Add in the preference menu and purposely put people where they do NOT want to be.

[weak horizon]

Do you really want to kill this game?

[pseudo palm]

If we’re not interested in improving it, yes.

[vernal marlin]

i much prefer literally every other solution on team switching than only wanting a game overhaul

much better to iterate on imperfect solutions than to dunk on every solution that isn't basically designing a new game

team rebalance at the beginning was a great start, they can just continue to iterate from that

[agile sentinel]

I think a better tutorial inside the game would fix alot of the issues. People wanna attack because it's just easier to stay alive, you can always back up and run back. Defenders are mostly without a retreat option. But since the tutorial only scratches the surface of what's possible in this game, new players just don't have a chance to catch up without YouTube, discord or whatever.

There should be tutorials for the different objectives, 1vX the different dodges and so on. With the new balance features I actually got a lot of good games in the queue matchmaking.

But people are just not aware of how to play the maps or different objectives. How to fight 1vX until your teammates arive, not because because they ere bad, but because nobody told them how it works, outside of some feints, drags, accels and basic counters.