Disable archer in duel servers entirely

[proper canopy]

Title. It'll help reduce the ease of rdm and let players defend themselves more effectively.

Other benefit is that it can be hard to track down players from across the map, especially with inconsistent rendering of tracers.

Having to spec to find an archer under the map rdming sucks.

[atomic valley]

I see your point, but as an archer myself I like to be able to duel as a melee archer to improve in that aspect. A better suggestion would be to disable some specific weapons (bows, crossbows, javelins), but that's also a problem because I sometimes play ranged duels with archer friends on the side of the map. If I were forced to choose a middle ground, it would be to disable ranged weapons.

[untold meadow]

I'd rather they give the game a proper duel mode, where players cannot be harmed at all outside duels.

Archers wouldnt be a problem if RDMing was impossible

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[knotty plaza]

I rather not as i play archer in duels sometimes to make dueling a lot harder. Other players do this as well.

[proper canopy]

it's the best solution to reducing the difficulty of handling RDM if Torn Banner is entirely opposed to actually fixing the duels mode 🤷‍♂️

other than giving us private servers which fixes the problem outright

[knotty plaza]

Its not the best solution and you know it. People just go in swinging most the time, rather then going archer. Even say you take archer away there is still a map that allows people to pick up a bow regardless of class and still shoot people. You also get people that throw knives or axes or their own primary for the hell of it. But most the time its players just running around swinging. There is plenty of ways for them to dial away rdmers.

Removing a class aint one of them

[proper canopy]

and the ones which are particularly problematic tend to be archer because they have more ammo, can go from farther away, and benefit disproportionately from exploiting to go outside of the map, making it harder to vk them because there is less visibility of the rdm

in servers where you can't kick rdmers at all it doesn't matter, but borderline servers tend to build up archer rdmers first

[knotty plaza]

Your average rdmer wont know how to get outside the map and the ones that do know are well known throughout the community to just vote kick out of the match. You hardly get people going outside the map anymore cause those players are usually kicked out when they join like Legendary for example. The biggest issue regarding rdmers is the fact that TB dont ban them for very long, even though they do it constantly. Another big issue is game pass being only 1$ so if hackers or trolls want to get on alt accounts its not hard for them to do it.

[proper canopy]

which is only one of the factors. Most of the archer rdmers just sit way outside of the range most people interact with like the top box in courtyard and just don't get vk'd quickly

[knotty plaza]

Thats just a noob issue in the lobby

Too many noobs and not enough clan members in the lobby to make a difference

[proper canopy]

having to abort your duel and then take like 20+ seconds to go track down the archer to vk them is a problem even in lobbies stacked with vets

nobody has to track down someone hitting them in the back

[knotty plaza]

They usually do depending on the lobby. I know if a clan of 300, legacy, Marauders etc are on the server, rdmers dont last.

[proper canopy]

outside of giganoob servers rdmers are consistently on a timer, but archers just get a longer timer outside of wardenglade

assuming the archer is lucky and doesn't actually get a kill

[knotty plaza]

Wardenglade i will definitely say is the most biggest issue regarding Archer rdmers

[proper canopy]

yeah wardenglade makes it too easy to archer rdm, but also makes it easier to track down the archer to kick. Courtyard if the archer has the slightest patience is more annoying imo

[knotty plaza]

If they have patience then they are an alt or a player well known with a changed name which chivstats makes it so ez to determine who they are lol.

Cause there has been players in clans changing their names and using alt accounts to rdm.

[proper canopy]

that fixes the problem of getting them out of the clan, but it doesn't fix the problem of torn banner-moderated servers with no moderators and how long it takes to vk the current ign

[knotty plaza]

Girl with shovel usually is the one that gets on to get rid of rdmers on servers for people. Other then that i havent seen any other mods lately. The mods are dying out to where most of them dont do the job anymore. I actually applied for Mod to help with clan events such as practice or comp matches etc. I still havent gotten a response and its been over a week lol.

[proper canopy]

that's torn banner's fault and not the moderator's faults for the most part though. Funk is the only event moderator left until cody is done with his well-deserved break. Shovel is still getting warmed up again(and would be a capable event moderator once she is), and 2-3 moderators for the entirety of NA isn't enough. EU is just a wasteland and I doubt SEA or OCE is much better :(

and just sitting in a duel server kicking an rdmer every minute is probably one of the worst experiences anyone can have in the game

[knotty plaza]

Well apparently its the mods who decide if they recruit other mods from what i heard so its honestly their fault for hindering themselves.

[proper canopy]

I'm pretty sure there's more to it than just that, including torn banner final say on who gets what level of perms, but we'll probably not know and for good reason.

[knotty plaza]

Honestly i thought so too but from what i been seeing for awhile in many game discords and the reason why i believed it when someone said this too about TB. Devs usually selects a list of people and the mods decide who gets recruited to be a mod.

[proper canopy]

selecting the list of people is probably what's taking so long

[knotty plaza]

For TB peaking usually at 4k of a player base almost every day i highly doubt they have much of a list to pick from. Especially since most of the players arent in the discord plus the amount of people that dont know how to signup and even for the people that do know how too would want too sign up lol.

Thats why i say there isnt an excuse for any of it.

[prisma belfry]

you know they already tried this and for some reason it got removed

[split pecan]

I would love it if they kept archer classes available and disabled projectiles on projectile weapons

So u can still do bow-fu but no sniping or crossfire from the freaks that genuinely want to do archer duel shootouts

[final sundial]

Actually archer duels are another reason why what if you wanna practice Counter-archery?

[proper canopy]

there isn't really space for archer v archer without accidentally hitting other duels on any duels map

the one good line I can think of is courtyard where the three 1h sword+shields and the ammo crate is is a line that doesn't intersect with spawns or any dueling space people normally use

trying to archer v archer bridge to bridge causes problems

the good sightline would intersect with spawns, but I think the hedges block the sightline sufficiently

[knotty plaza]

Trench on Warden Glade, Courtyard Dungeons. Tournament grounds they just snipe each other from tower and throne chair.

Courtyard actually has a lot of possibilities as they can just use 1 bridge to shoot each other rather then using 2 bridges. Depending on player locations they have a lot of places to go. Tournament Grounds is the only map that really restricts archer v archer.

[proper canopy]

as far as using either bridge goes there's traffic on both outsides of the bridges due to spawns, although on one of the bridges people mostly drop down and topside traffic is toward the griffin

wardenglade has the issue of if you arrow slightly too high anywhere you're shooting far and far means angle and angle means not in the trench anymore

[knotty plaza]

Like i said it really just depends on player location. Hell there can be a full lobby and the center is not being used which they can go too.

[knotty plaza]

Likely hood of someone shooting a duelist in trenches is so highly unlikely unless they are purposely doing it.

[proper canopy]

and the dungeons in courtyard aren't really far enough for proper archer vs archer, although that's partially because archer vs archer in duels servers is even more useless for archer players than sniper vs sniper ego dueling in MGE is

since it's mostly sightline control and map positioning/the reason you win an archer vs archer is most often because your target is unaware you're on sightline or are peeking at an off time

that's also why I noted the problem with trench, as if you're archer v archer at a range which actually makes sense it's easy to angle wrong enough that you end up hitting toward duelists

I don't think it necessarily has to be intentional there

it's just most of the time obviously intentional because that's the kind of player which picks to play archer

the real answer to archer vs archer duels is to just get on duels joust because nobody uses those servers anyway

[knotty plaza]

Honestly in all reality they have room to do it. If they start hitting people its usually they are doing it on purpose, as i seen plenty of archer v archer duels in duel servers and they were never an issue towards the rest of the server. Unless you run into Reptar lol. Disabling a class because you see people doing it makes no sense as this can become real stupid as the same reason you get rid of Vanguard class cause someone is throwing dane axes at people. Next thing you know you have footman and knight left till people want footman gone cause of spear charges etc etc.

[proper canopy]

dane axes aren't accurate as often from range and kill with a high enough frequency that the names show up fast and get kicked. Every single melee option is the same. It's almost exclusively archers who are consistently capable of doing enough damage to interrupt a duel without being necessarily instantly caught on top of not killing at the same time. Ambusher and officer can kind of do the same with throwing knives, but those are also not as easy to long range with.

if you want to cause the maximum amount of chaos in a duel server it is undesirable to kill players because that's the end of your run if the server is one which knows how votekick works

and even clueless archer rdmers take longer to get rid of because they're just naturally nowhere near you

it's an inertia problem where you have to get rid of rdmers in the shortest period of time after they reveal they're an rdmer whether clueless or intentional

or the server dies

when people can't duel in a duel server it turns into ffa or people just leave

[knotty plaza]

Again you can do the same thing with other classes its not hard. I seen people run around throwing weapons that fell on the ground, or they still spear charge someone and only a few people vote yes cause no one else saw it cause they were busy in a duel. Tackling people or jabbing people in mid duels people wont see much either unless they are looking. Its all the same thing. Its not the class problem at all.

Ive seen people run around as acher but never have a bow but they threw shit at people lol

[proper canopy]

that's mostly a console doesn't have chat issue and not a target identification issue though. At least 2-3 players involved can easily catch a person with that kind of proximity

even in a server full of clan members it can take relevant effort to get rid of archer players

the real solution is still just to give us private servers

[knotty plaza]

But yet they wont get kicked. Why? Cause like you said no one will see it if they are being sneaky just as an archer. Its been shown plenty of times on duel servers that people can get away with it including tackling people

[proper canopy]

because over half of the duel server is console players

[knotty plaza]

Thats honestly the realest solution lol.

[proper canopy]

anything short of a full server hijack basically results in inevitable rdmer victory

[knotty plaza]

Yeah pretty much the PC base of players are dying and Steam Charts definitely show it.

[proper canopy]

archers just build up fastest for the reasons I noted/people aware enough to jab or tackle instead are usually people who have already been punished for rdming many times before

I should remember to make a list of people I'll never flourish because they random tackle and aren't someone I'm cool with like reptar lol. I usually remember when I see names ingame, but I don't have them off the top of my head

[knotty plaza]

Also another thing is people have done this including myself. They join a duel server thinking its FFA as well lol. Console players are more oblivious too this.

[proper canopy]

the real problem with the random tackles is that it's people who are aware enough to "mostly duel regularly" and then do stupid shit after they've built slight rep inside the particular duel lobby

[knotty plaza]

Thats a huge fucking list, good luck tryng to remember that lol

[proper canopy]

yeah I'd have to make the list as I run into them

[knotty plaza]

I do have a list of people have reported for rdming but not for just tackling or jabbing.

[proper canopy]

they also usually come with goon squad buddies

so if you start killing them when they're tackling you it's a 1v3 now

[knotty plaza]

Thats when you know its people using alt accounts or changed names at that point. I know we caught many people on alt accounts doing this.

Thats why you dont see as many people in the comp seen anymore cause they been caught doing it lol.

[proper canopy]

yeah it's mostly mediocre to subpar players who I run into doing that, so I haven't bothered to track down their player info lol

then there's dudes like birdman who apparently moved to pc, kept the same name, joined pm, and still rdms anyway 😂

[knotty plaza]

Well Randy used to be one of them lol

While he was in LK

[proper canopy]

not too surprising since he's a bit of a troll and he'd have to have been repressing hard while he was in LK lmao

a lot of the dudes who moved over to delirium got a lot more chill when lk split

[knotty plaza]

DVS was another player as well

[knotty plaza]

Cause of Brownsuperman lol

[proper canopy]

I know darklight was caught rdm alting so hard he outed himself by accident by trying to reddit alt

I don't have the exact post on hand but it was funny

[knotty plaza]

I know some people been trying to use my name rdming in duel servers lol. But the issue they had is that they never replied correctly to people and they didnt get my drip right lol. So they got caught really quickly.

[proper canopy]

I'm waiting for people to start trying to be fake vandals and then getting exposed by being complete dogshit since I'm the weakest duelist in vandals at this point

[knotty plaza]

Someone already tried

[proper canopy]

I didn't even hear about that. They must've been so shit they got nuked before they even started

[knotty plaza]

I forget but yeah someone was trying to pose as a Vandal before. Ninja from 300 i know was posing as everyone. Someone specifically i forget who but used everyones name including the mods names. When you look them up on chiv stats, the amount of usernames they had makes you scroll for nearly a minute down to get to the stats.

[knotty plaza]

Honestly though some of the Vandals are not as good though. So people can pose as some of them. Cause if you compare like KC, yourself and a few others towards the rest of the Vandals team, honestly we question it sometimes lol.

[proper canopy]

it can be hard to tell it's me when it's not in TO or LTS yeah. Eruption doesn't really duel. Numbers usually has pretty distinctive drip.

pretty much everyone else is a significant step up in duel from there

I'm rarely in duel servers unless there's other pax members or vandals around

[knotty plaza]

Honestly for me to tell cause i know you guys have been switching up the numbers, i just look up on chiv stats lol.

[proper canopy]

😂

[knotty plaza]

I dueled Numbers and someone else, they both left the server after losing to me.

[proper canopy]

might've been right before an LTS/an internal was getting set up

[knotty plaza]

I know thats a typical move for Numbers as he gets pretty hot headed easily.

[proper canopy]

half of the shit we do is on the spot because we have 8 people in vc

[knotty plaza]

Numbers i dueled i think 2 days ago, dueled him twice and he lost both, a Vandal i forget the name i have too look it up on the clips but he joined then instantly left after dueling me.

I dont usually remember the whole Vandal Roster so I dont know exactly who it was

[proper canopy]

if it was me I was probably just following to whatever other duel server or lts was being set up, as normally I'm happy to slam myself into a wall until I break it/I'm pretty sure we've had pretty even funny maul dittos a few times

[knotty plaza]

I dont think i ever won a duel against you. Probably once but from my count im 0 - 5 againt you lol

[proper canopy]

I think you got me once. I have pretty noticeably varying levels of focus on the game though to the point where one of the things I end up doing sometimes is stopping outright mid duel for so long I take a hit while I mentally adjust lmao

bad habit

it's also why I have such a tendency to get to 1 hit and just dial in

I don't swap from TO/LTS to duel mode cleanly and that's a bad habit I need to break at some point

[knotty plaza]

Well honestly im not even a duelist. Im an FFA guy and i usually tell people if i kill you then your fucking up or you really need more training lol. Like I showed someone the Reddit posts and everyone calls me FFA King with the Maul cause i usually win everytime im in a FFA match lol. Caz gets pissed cause he entered the FFA tournament and won but i harass saying i wasnt there so it doesnt count. So then we proceed to join FFA matches just for me to beat him by 1 kill almost every time lol.

Still have the clips lol

[proper canopy]

I'm obligated to duel enough that I don't blow up in 1v1s as often in LTS and that's kind ait

[knotty plaza]

This is what i do in LTS. I just go around using superman punch on people and it actually works lol

[devout leaf]

me and some friends join empty servers to do archer fighting, its really fun and taking away archers would ruin it

you should try it some time

[void sonnet]

Not the proper solution. Talk to Torn Banner about having an actual mod team to help out with rdming in duel servers. With that being said, if you record it, get their player id, then send it through chivmail, they will actually suspend or ban them IF the proof is there. I have done it before when someone is rdming in a duel server.

[fiery flower]

This is horrible idea punish a character type because of the toxicity of a players actions. Maybe if the duel servers were better designed and properly monitored rdmers would be punish correctly. If there was at least one mod per duel server they could monitor the lobby and force kick and punish rdmers.

[untold meadow]

I still like my idea of "make RDMing actually impossible by making a game mode centered about mutually agreed duels"

Duel scoreboard in a 30p server could look like "Wins/Kills", rather than "Kills/Deaths"

[fiery flower]

I had posted an idea for help against rdmers in duel servers and the server bot disabled the post.

[solid trout]

sadly this often still takes hours or days :/

[cosmic basin]

archer segragation lets go!

[knotty plaza]

If its the same rdmers then they usually will get long bans like 2 weeks

[untold meadow]

Yeah, i think the best solution to RDMing in Duels is to actually make a game mode instead of jury-rigging a free-for-all server and hope that people don't go postal in them

[fiery flower]

Not all the time. I got a player banned for 24 hrs for griefing in 40p mixed. They were pissed lol in the game chat. The ban happened pretty quick.

[fiery flower]

i should report rdmers more often. i report griefing and vote kick abuse.

[ebon jasper]

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[ebon jasper]

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[knotty plaza]

Yeah you were a trouble maker too dont deny! lol

[ebon jasper]

Not in LK

[knotty plaza]

LK doesnt even exist anymore lol