reason#23 on why i want to display my class icon and not level:

[distant charm]

Getting tired of yall complaining dammit, im just playing the goofy game!

Am i wrong? NO
Players see 3 digit levels and they get scared.

[warm jewel]

He's right. We need to shame all team switchers, even level 10's.

[limber badger]

@warm jewel team switching isnt nessacarily bad, Ill often switch to defense to help out but I agree for the most part that most switching is done to make a team unfair

[distant charm]

But then if i switch to defence to even the game yall still hate

[mild fossil]

they are 20-30 years children mentality who think that the game is made to be played the way they want... RIDICULOUS

[distant charm]

games has been out for 2.5 years if you join today of course you will be stomped

chiv 1 had safe new players servers that after lvl 10 yeeted you in the big boys servers

also i would have used the same leveling sistem

stopping at 100 going to a 1000 is too much

it creates a false sense of fear in new players

@ionic sierra

what do you think

[ionic sierra]

I think I was better statistically than a lot of the level 500+s I was running into by the time I was level 100 and that was with no dueling fundamentals or melee game experience outside of chiv 2 and watching ziggy's feature length combat guide

also a bunch of us just play on alts in pub TO and often in duels too at this point so rank is increasingly meaningless

you just have to start recognizing who has real movement and mechanics

[mild fossil]

indeed, high level doesn't means high skill, there are even people that made grow their levels only by killing bots

[clever fox]

if you've been playing like 2 hours every day since release doing nothing but mashing counter slash with the dane axe, you're at least level 100 by now. It's only going to get higher as the game gets older. High level does not equal high skill.

Besides, I'd rather know what classes the rest of my team and the enemy team are playing.

[warm jewel]

You can also punch children and commit other crimes. Would you just meet criticism with "ill live the way I want?"

If you switch to Dark Forest Attack, you scum, pure and simple. Play the game as scum however you want. Ill do the same and call you out.

[mild fossil]

"You can also punch children and commit other crimes"?
Very mature of you, continue crying because you are not right.
It will still be fun to see you cry because people change teams, because they want to and because they can. 🤣

[tranquil monolith]

What do you mean by "continue crying because you're not right" not right about what? I figured this was mainly a discussion about personal values and taste, not some objective issue. If so yeah, I guess he's not right. Just like you're not. So what's the point?

[clever fox]

it's not a very good discussion when people are calling each other children and scum

maybe we'll be able to interact without harassment one day

[mild fossil]

The point is that I'm not forced to play on the team the game places me on, I have the option to change, and if I have the option to change and I want to change, I'm going to do it.
I meant he's not right about "i have to play in the team the game choose"

[tranquil monolith]

So you're saying you should no longer be able to swap teams?

[mild fossil]

No, I say that if the game allows me to change teams and I prefer to be on the other team, I'll do it, because I like to choose which team I want to play for the simple fact that, in my personal case, I like to play single attack

If the game is made like this, why wouldn't I use that function? If it exists, it will be to use it

If I have freedom, why am I not going to make use of it if I don't hurt anyone?

I see a lack of consistency in complaining about team switching, if the developers wanted us not to change teams it would be disabled from day one, but it's not like that

This is not a competitive game to complain and insult other players for a feature that game has, when they complain because they see high levels and that a high level does not always mean a high skill, usually yes, but not always, besides the fact that most people do not understand that in this type of games to learn to play well and at a high level, what you have to do is play against high levels.

And let's not talk about whether I want to play as a team with my friends... this is another odyssey if there are 4 or more of us xD

If we had private servers, this would not happen.

[clever fox]

If they had a ranked TO mode for whatever reason, it would make sense to prohibit team swapping. But in the current TO, it doesn't really matter because the win/loss stats don't matter. The victory/defeat screen only has as much weight as you, the player, gives it.

[turbid sinew]

Also there is a massive problem with ingame party's, i still need to switch teams sometimes to be in the same team.
And yea since there isn't any competitive gameplay it doesn't make sense anyway

[tranquil monolith]

Well, there's the issue. The people complaining about team swapping are very clearly annoyed by it. So one could say you are indeed hurting them. Now, obviously that's not really your business. You bought the game so you can do what you want, as you said. However, that's a very self-centered perspective. Personally, I want everyone to have a good time as long as that fun doesn't inhibit my own enjoyment of the game. This is why I do not swap teams and why I judge people who do quite harshly. Playing defense when every good player stacks the attacking team is a miserable experience (which is why many of them switch in the first place). As I said, nobody is responsible for other people's fun. But I consider it nice and pleasant if people act in a considerate manner and don't get their enjoyment at other's expense.

From what I can see nobody says it's not legit or some sort of exploit to swap teams. So I don't understand why you bring up that the game indeed allows you to do it. That is not the issue. The problem is that you're being a jerk when doing it.

[mild fossil]

Some EU clans and communities use the same server browser server, almost everyday, where we join to play together, we are some of the "veterans", both from Chivalry 1 and 2 (since the alpha) and many new players who like to have fun playing this game, never, absolutely never there has practically been a complaint about team swapping and we do it continuously, why? because we are players who know that this game is about coming to have fun for a while, not to play a competitive and toxic game like many others do, who coincidentally are the majority of those who complain about swapping teams.
As a couple of messages above just said, this game is meant to be taken as seriously as you want, the parties don't work well either and they separate you from your friends... swapping teams is NECESSARY.
And being told that choosing my team hurts others seems ridiculous to me. Nowadays people complain about any nonsense to a point that is too far away, play your game and let others play. No one has the right to tell anyone how to enjoy a game. I'm going to play my game, who wants to insult, can continue insulting, but is useless.
In my opinion, they only show that they do not have a spirit of fun in this game, which I think is one of the most fun, but these people who play it ONLY to show that they are better than others... I think that is toxicity and not fun in a game and these people are usually the same people who complain about these things. I don't think it's bad that there is a competitive scene in this game, what I think is bad is that these people are usually the most toxic in this sense.

[tranquil monolith]

I'll make it simple then: for many people, doing well in a game is a big part of having a good time. Not all of them fo course, as chiv also allows for a lot of goofing around, which can also be fun. But having a good match and performing good is certainly desirable. Stacked team very often lead to an absolute steamrolling in favor of the attacking side, often resulting in a 200 kill difference or even more. This does not indicate a good balance. This is not a fair match. This is not a fun game for the people getting steamrolled. You, in this case, are the one responsible for this. If you don't care that is absolutely fine. But you have to understand people blaming you for this and judging you accordingly.

Since there are so many selfish people populating this game, I actually do think TB should tighten the thumbscrews way more and just prevent team swapping entirely. But that's not my decision to make, unfortunately.

[ionic sierra]

torn banner should handle their selfish design and find a way for defense not to be fundamentally unfun like rewarding defense for trying to play the game on useless points(most of them)

nothing will make team swapping or people simply requeueing become a non-issue other than the game being better. You can just increase the frequency with which players requeue.

[tranquil monolith]

That would be the ideal solution, I agree.

[distant charm]

lmao

[distant charm]

lmao pt 2 revenge of the haha

[ionic sierra]

to make the 3 digit funny better I'm on pace to have a total of 5 accounts at level 100 or above. My Epic account, my main account(steam), one alt is above level 100 already, and then two more alts are on the way.

Elia probably has more

[distant charm]

past lvl 100 you're a public enemy basically

[tranquil monolith]

It's kinda frustrating taking the time trying to communicate a point and then having this as a response. I understand you're not here to reason. But this is still very low.

[distant charm]

the points you make dont stand, so please dont even ❤️

[distant charm]

smh putting a clown emoji then acting like you wanna be usefull in a discussion

[tranquil monolith]

You haven't demonstrated that at all though. Your OP is literally just saying "I don't want to be shamed for swapping teams". That's an alright perspective to have. But there's no wrong opinion on this because it is an entirely subjective issue. I put a clown emoji here because your OP is laughable to me. You make no point whatsoever and the text in the screenshot you provide is bang on the money in my opinion. This reads like parody, hence the clown emoji. Despite that I make an effort to create a constructive dialogue and you're being very disrespectful. I understand you're perhaps tired of this old discussion. But then just don't participate rather than polluting it the way you do.

[ionic sierra]

the op is literally a poster on reddit saying players who team swap should be harassed(which is against in-game rules and can result in a chat ban or even a game ban depending on the exact method of harassment)

I think it's a bit much to swap every game, but as long as Torn Banner wants the game to suck it will, and the current playerbase is especially painful to play alongside in pubs on defense even moreso than offense because it's harder to justify pushing forward enough to 1vX spawn waves due to the spawns and the general importance of rallying and remaining rallied on defense.

Players feel worse at teamfighting now than they've ever been and in the last few days I've had some of the most painful lobbies I've ever been in, not because of team swapping, but because brain damaged subhumans are doing everything in their power to make it safer for me to 1vX than to XvX or Xv1. I managed to hit a 170 takedown quarterstaff game yesterday and the reason the team lost offense on darkforest is because a teammate bodyblocked me when I was about to kill the duke.

[distant charm]

tl dr blocked message sadge 😦

[ionic sierra]

The point of metioning that fuckery on the offense game is to note that I keep playing on defense teams I want to lose even harder than that offense team deserved to lose. I keep getting on teams so bad that if they don't lose I'm actually disappointed.

[distant charm]

its insane how people feel like they need to go batman mode and harass other players, should be ban worthy imo

[ionic sierra]

it is

[distant charm]

perma?

[ionic sierra]

the only permabans are for cheating

if they harass in chat you can report them to chivmail to get a few warns followed by a mute and eventual permamuting if they keep doing it after several mutes iirc

and then if they false vk that was bannable

team swapping isn't an acceptable vk reason so it's a false vk

[distant charm]

getting harassed because you played more...smh what do these people even think?!

[ionic sierra]

they don't

[distant charm]

https://tenor.com/view/outrageous-jackiechiles-seinfeld-lawyer-gif-4527817

[distant charm]

replacind the level with the icon would fix this false fear real fast

since when we play on alts no one cares

no ONE

[ionic sierra]

the only people who care on alts are the players good enough to recognize good, but that's in a "who are you" way and not in a "you're scum" way

the unfortunate part with playing thorne is that if I "grief my team" by running it down mid I have a higher winrate than when I actually play with pub TO teams properly because that's just how good they are at making space so sometimes I have to "fall off the side"

[distant charm]

FROM
lvl 356 to on the scoreboard
no more stacking posts
no more 3 level digit fear
less visual intimidation
having to play to judge your opponent skill
no more world hunger

ok maybe still world hunger but i made my point

[odd sun]

and what about the 4 level digit fear! 😄 * wink wink *

[distant charm]

not there yet 🥺

@odd sun what do you think about the option to replace the level with class icon?

[odd sun]

imo level mean nothing, as you said every one care when a highlevel switch and nobody care when the lvl10 switch cause we all know the highlevel "can" unbalance team.
Actually i agree that the lvl can be replace by an icon.
But what player want ? i mean what push you to play the game if there is no level showed, skin? we already have almost all skin at lvl100

[distant charm]

i wanted an option to replace it ,you like your level? fine i want the icon so there should be an option in the settings to do so

[odd sun]

i think actually all the chiv veteran dont care of their level, we all know each other in EU.
But for all new or average player i think they want to prove something or they believe the game have some competitive scene, they want a good K/D ratio and win ratio thats why i believe that we should hide the level.
But with that, how can you show to all the peasant that you are a veterant player. Some of us like to show to all they are veterant if you know what i mean.
Skin should have a more longer level range (i dont know if its understandable XD) like lvl1 rusty lvl200 iron lvl1000 gold

[ionic sierra]

you show them you're a veteran by being so much better than they are that they can barely comprehend how you killed them

but yeah we need skins that aren't purchasable with crowns

would be nice if every weapon had at least a rank 100 skin that wasn't available for premature purchase

[odd sun]

cry in lvl475 sledge hammer XD

[distant charm]

all weapons deserve a mastery skin

[ionic sierra]

they need to not be fucked like the longsword ones are too

being purchasable with crowns simply turns the entire "progression" into a joke

[distant charm]

ag r ee

[mild fossil]

BUMP

[turbid sinew]

Its literally pay to progress, many games have it

You don't need to

[ionic sierra]

that doesn't make it good or acceptable. If everyone eats paste should I do it too?

there is a fundamental quality missed to the social value of a skin if it's purchasable

[turbid sinew]

But how should they get their money for developement then?

Free dlcs?

[ionic sierra]

they sold the game for 40 dollars a pop and got over a million players before game pass. They're running battle passes with battle pass exclusive cosmetics.

I'm also not saying they shouldn't sell any cosmetics

they shouldn't be selling capstone unlocks

the perfected argon's sword is a capstone. The shaman staff is a capstone. The fruit of bridgetown is a capstone.

They don't sell the rank 1000 heraldry for crowns, why should they be selling the rank 200 longsword, rank 70 war club, rank 70 quarterstaff?

some things have value as an achievement, and that can retain players so they purchase stuff like the battle passes or the kings edition, etc.
they can have purchase-only cosmetics. They shouldn't trivialize player achievements.

[turbid sinew]

Thr battle pass hasn't changed for months, there is not really much which comes along with.
The game is/was for "free" on ps plus and xbox game pass

[ionic sierra]

that's because they fucked up and did a horrendous job managing the game, not because they haven't had plenty of opportunity and time

chiv 2 released in june 2021 and has had over 2 years to:

1. get into a stable state
2. start having a content cadence not put to shame by basically every other modern game
3. stop bleeding players(requires a stable state and to actually address the problems with defense as a design)

unfortunately they can only release trickle feed updates with few cosmetics, most of which aren't even good, which break the game even further and then delay them by months at a time

I'm making suggestions which would work in a competently-run game

it's too bad chiv 2 isn't that

their art team isn't bad either. If you check the asset quality on their cosmetic releases it's great. It's a direction problem and also seems to be major fundamental technical issues with the codebase.

[turbid sinew]

Yea true indeed

Well who know how many people work on it actually

[ionic sierra]

there's a reason skin unlocks are a defining feature of cod games even if the store is what is pushed
also yeah they're probably internally developing a different game which is quite dishonest considering chiv 2 is on a troubling trend toward outright nonfunctional and long-running basic functionality promises haven't been met such as cross-progression

I don't ask much. I just want chiv 2 but it actually works.

if I could also host a server where I can turn off archers that'd be icing

[turbid sinew]

Well last time i played this game (1week ago) on ps5 i had disappearing soldiers if they died, on different servers

I wish it would work without such issues 😅 unplayable for me atm

Mouse and keyboard support would be also cool, even if its not really needed, many games have it already..

[ionic sierra]

ragdolls instant despawning isn't too bad and it'd be fine if that was just an option instead of being weird. Things get off when you're in first person and look down at the wrong angle and players begin disappearing from your vision who are still alive or when weapons for everyone on the enemy team don't render for 30+ seconds after you spawn.

[turbid sinew]

Wow ok didnt't know that, i mostly playin in third person.
But i also saw swinging weapons without soldiers lmfao

[ionic sierra]

there's also major desynchronizations between the first person weapon position and the position the weapon is actually in. It's why the poleaxe's special ends early sometimes when specialing toward an uphill in first person or why it's easier to miss most 1h alt stabs in first person, as their mismatches are worse.

They can't use world viewmodels for first person for obvious reasons, but the "shortcuts" they've taken seem to be worse than the same shortcuts in other games.