ARCHER MEGATHREAD: TALK ABOUT ARCHERS HERE!

[hybrid fjord]

I'm 180 on cudgel last I checked

[void mulch]

this is all it took to get there lmao

i first checked chivstats ever like ~3 weeks ago and saw i was top 100 and i had JUST unlocked the lvl 28 skin or w/e

and im like damn thats not many kills to get that high, so i doubled down on using it lol

meanwhile

[hybrid fjord]

Yeah...

I need to level my knife still lol

[jolly python]

Knife? More like wife

[radiant cosmos]

@shell jetty im 1000 and my archer is level 2 lmao, only because my cousin tried it

[static finch]

L cousin

[shell jetty]

Im like 740 and its level 14 😭 damn you shuffle

[radiant cosmos]

@shell jetty i dont even have much agaisnt archers, I think its just weird to play archer in a game like this

[shell jetty]

Same

Except they are scum

[halcyon steeple]

So true

[void mulch]

its fun partially bc of how people treat them- as melee you dont usually have a half dozen ppl thirst chasing you

its kind of like a mini-game of its own

[jolly python]

Because it is a medieval FPS with ultra leet skins

[void mulch]

also meleeing ppl as archer is extra saucy

[lone crystal]

Always fun to watch melee players question their decision in coming after you when you’re also good at melee

[radiant cosmos]

@shell jetty i really wish they would add a game mode with no archers, would be great

Keep volley for the archers and give melee players a game mode free of them

Im convinced no one but archers want archers to be in 64p, while I dont have anything agaisnt people who play archer the game mode would be better without them

[lone crystal]

How?

[void mulch]

i also want a server for the archer whiners to congregate in

[solemn thorn]

see everyone wins

[void mulch]

id go in once every so often as an ambusher and make ppl angry af

[solemn thorn]

I'd go raider personally, those dane axes hurt

[hybrid fjord]

Meanwhile me

[solemn thorn]

probably fly faster than the knives too

[void mulch]

mason on dark forest

sail the knives and have unlimited

its funny af to do even today

imagine the salt that would happen if it was a limited time mode, when it expired

[solemn thorn]

such is the way of a limited time mode that's actually popular

like the mythical lts and ffa modes

[radiant cosmos]

@lone crystal wouldnt have to worry about being shot in the back while fighting others, its a cowardly way of playing

[hybrid fjord]

Meanwhile ambushers

[void mulch]

TB: please make a safe space for melee fighters to "avoid encountering" the cowardsa

[solemn thorn]

tbh I'd like no archer mode so I don't get shot in the back by those god damn friendly fire arrows

it's like they want me to die more than the people who actually give them points

[void mulch]

friendly fire arrows should ignite the archer too just for lols

[solemn thorn]

true

[void mulch]

i do like when ppl come to me when i have brazier out then thwack me, on my team

so when they get bored and run away i shoot a fire arrow at their back lmao

[solemn thorn]

I just break the brazier when they inevitably shoot me with a fire arrow

[vocal shell]

the number of times I've just had to go break a brazier because I get hit in the back by a fire arrow is just stupid

[hybrid fjord]

I hit people who hit me back

[vocal shell]

I'm basically at the point of breaking braziers on sight

[radiant cosmos]

@void mulch yes ,no one wants to encounter archers

[vocal shell]

any grief I'm causing by breaking the brazier is less than the grief they give my team

[solemn thorn]

I wouldn't engage in that conversation if I were you

[void mulch]

going intto the archer thread to tearfully blog about how much u hate archers

[hybrid fjord]

Generally the grief I see on teams is by the teammates at the front who are unsuccessfully holding/pushing the side that needs to win harder.

[radiant cosmos]

@void mulch learn to read, I specifically said I dont even care about archers, just that the game would be more enjoyable without them

[jolly python]

I'd rather them work on the main gamemodes tbh. But Volley is dumb

Like Volley is only fun when you just use your fists

[hybrid fjord]

I can't stand volley

[radiant cosmos]

@jolly python having an archer only game mode would be fair if we had a no archer game mode

[jolly python]

It's boring

[void mulch]

lol but mommy its fair, brayden got his volely mode ;((((

[jolly python]

My point is that both are pointless in my own opinion. The only meaningful temp gamemode is LTS, which should just be fucking standard in the game already

[void mulch]

100% sequestering those that need a safe space should be granted as a request imo

[radiant cosmos]

@void mulch "muh safespace" grow up, people are allowed to not want to play with archers

[solemn thorn]

well I warned you

[void mulch]

yep, and when somebody needs a walled garden to keep them out, lets call it what it is

that you arent comfortable with the nomenclature is really on you

[jolly python]

But like seriously wtf why isn't LTS just a normal gamemode it was in the first game

[void mulch]

but you are advocating for (and i agree with) the idea for a melee safe space

[radiant cosmos]

@void mulch if people need a walled garden to keep you out, perhaps youre the problem

[void mulch]

perhaps dont buy games with archers

if you consider them that problematic to your experience

[radiant cosmos]

Ive been playing since release, clearly I do not care that much

[void mulch]

but obviously thats not your style since your chief contribution to the archer megathread thus far

[radiant cosmos]

It was an idea to give an archer free game mode

[void mulch]

has been to talk about how you dont like them and fantasize about places you cant interact with them

well, to be absolutely informative to you: you will encounter archers here

[radiant cosmos]

@void mulch absolutely, and it was a suggestion. Youre clearly mentally ill if you get this upset about people saying theyd like a game mode without archers

[void mulch]

i'm not upset about your suggestion

i'm pointing out what your suggestion is- and i said i agree with it

i believe i stated my agreement with the idea multiple times even

[solemn thorn]

random can we ban all these people from the thread

[jolly python]

Make LTS standard and tune up some of the current gamemodes, then I'm all for the other gamemodes like archer's only, no archers etc

[jolly python]

No

[solemn thorn]

please

[void mulch]

let everybody air out their ideas imo

theres nothing wrong with desiring an archer free safe space, its a simple and effective solution to a big pwobwem

[radiant cosmos]

@void mulch as I said, mentally ill

[jolly python]

Come on now, there's no need to get violent!

https://tenor.com/view/leader-mother-squad-lets-go-opossum-gif-13811040

[solemn thorn]

the time for peace has long since passed

[jolly python]

Shut up, god you're worse than Ayla sometimes!

[solemn thorn]

I know

I really look up to that Ayla

[void mulch]

rare to get somebody personal attacking because they dont liek the way i agree with them

ive been advocating for The Safe Space since the game came out

(TSS)

[radiant cosmos]

@void mulch "muh safe space" neck yourself

[void mulch]

hmm maybe we could call it the Anti-Coward Zone Where We Avoid 1 Class (and theyre the cowards)

[radiant cosmos]

@void mulch what about neck yourself do you not understand?

[void mulch]

have you noticed that Coward and Boward rhyme even

[solemn thorn]

just like howard

[jolly python]

@radiant cosmos @void mulch If you two keep up the hostilities, then you will be banned

[void mulch]

i'm not being hostile youll notice

[jolly python]

Yes you are, because i said you are

[void mulch]

ive made zero personal attacks and suggested that nobody "neck themselves:

[shell jetty]

"We gotta get ahead of this archer free game mode, quick spin spin spinnnnn"

[void mulch]

i am strongly in favor of the same mode as them and while that may be upsetting to them- thats also on them

[jolly python]

You mess with the bull, you get the horns, pal.

https://tenor.com/view/flex-acting-tough-angry-screaming-casey-frey-gif-14475398

[void mulch]

in early modern english long before standardized spelling, archery was also spelt ArcheREEEEE

[jolly python]

Banned.

[void mulch]

this is derived from the proto indo european

[jolly python]

@kindred peak please ban this fella from my thread. thanks.

[void mulch]

lol honestly dont worry about calling the cops karen

[halcyon steeple]

💪

[void mulch]

ill simply leave your archer thread

[halcyon steeple]

Engi only mode pls

Call it fortknight

[jolly python]

Looks like I won 😎

[solemn thorn]

you're so based

[jolly python]

See how I banned them from my thread?

[halcyon steeple]

Common Random W

[jolly python]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/440328250112344064/1127697953713311904/caption.gif

[halcyon steeple]

Also the amount of bitches he gets

[sharp patio]

Deafening silence

[lone crystal]

Archers win again 🤗

[halcyon steeple]

I'm going to commit f10 if anyone says archers win one more time

[harsh lake]

dont tempt random

[jolly python]

Archers

[hybrid fjord]

Archers win @halcyon steeple

[halcyon steeple]

They really trying to get me muted again

[plush forge]

No one has to try to do that

[halcyon steeple]

You shut your mouth raise a good point

[shell jetty]

Reformed AF blud, given it 110%

[halcyon steeple]

Thank you! 😇

[hybrid fjord]

I have embraced bear traps in Mordhau for archery

[jolly python]

Archers win again

[surreal jacinth]

Vanilla knights cry some more.

[sharp patio]

vanilla vanguards on suiclide watch

[bitter adder]

archers stay winning 💅

[jolly python]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/440328250112344064/1127697953713311904/caption.gif

[tiny vessel]

How do you like your spine: sliced upwards and diagonally with a Messer or with a spicy chicken combo with Falchion special?

[sharp patio]

y'know blocking exists, right?

but I would like a spicy chicken combo rn

[solemn thorn]

blocking doesn't exist if you forgot to put your bow away

melee: 1, archers: 30256255907

we'll catch up any year now

[lone crystal]

I’d like a spicy chicken combo too, but can I get onion rings with mine? 🥺

[solemn thorn]

sure

it'll be $1.99 extra though

[hybrid fjord]

We got bacon cheese fries now

[jolly python]

Guys, please. talk about archers

[simple vale]

do you think chiv archers like mcdonalds or burger king more

[halcyon steeple]

Armchur

[hybrid fjord]

I prefer Wendies

[halcyon steeple]

Honestly burger king is really mid

Mcdonalds fries and burgers + wendy's spicy nugs is the way

How are we doing tonight

[jolly python]

Settling a pint after a good day of throwing axes and Superman

[halcyon steeple]

That sounds nice! Glad to hear it

[solemn thorn]

I finally got internet again

[halcyon steeple]

unfortunately for you aRcHeRs wIn aGAiN

[solemn thorn]

I don't get it

[jolly python]

Cry about it

[halcyon steeple]

That's cause you're not an archer Chad

I'm not crying I'm an archer, the coolest of them all in fact

I'm told @solemn thorn wants my autograph still

[solemn thorn]

that doesn't make any sense, there was no competition

tbh I can't believe the slowmode is 10 seconds now, this is truly oppression

nevermind, 15 seconds

[halcyon steeple]

You're supposed to back me up

[solemn thorn]

What about the autograph? I'd rather have your firstborn.

[halcyon steeple]

😭

[hybrid fjord]

[solemn thorn]

But since most people don't like giving out their firstborn, an autograph will do

[jolly python]

Archers keep winning

[halcyon steeple]

I win.

[sharp patio]

done with playing engi in mfl time to spam crossbowman games

[thorny summit]

what team were you on

[sharp patio]

lion, I think we were against each other

[thorny summit]

yeah

if you were our engi i was going to ask why you locked 2/3 of our team away from the duke on the final match by walling off behind them forcing us to lose

[sharp patio]

yikes
yeah I saw the wall way ahead of the heir on the bridge

I was trying to do cheeky stuff like wall your spawns off but the heir just got melted

[thorny summit]

i was the only one there to defend sun god because our engis committed the cardinal sin of walling off their own team from the objective, i ate like 4 fire pots for him before we both went down

[sharp patio]

heard the killing blow was a throwing knife

[thorny summit]

no he died to a halberd

he's considering putting in some sort of vetting or requirement for the engi, poleman and spear players because you really need competent players in those positons to capitalize on them. GGs regardless.

[sharp patio]

I feel like that would ruin the pick-up feel
idk it seems like the engis wanted to post up further but a crack squad got behind them to the heir
then again I wasn't there so

[hybrid fjord]

Was this pub or clan match

[sharp patio]

signup only pub

[tiny vessel]

No, but I can make it extra special for you by throwing in a Morning Star overhead

[hybrid fjord]

May I follow up with a mace?

[harsh lake]

You a dirty archer thats why lol

[lone crystal]

B-but my onion rings 🥺

[thorny summit]

It's meant less as a pick up and more as a way to get people interested in comp TO. That's why it uses the comp rulesets and restrictions.

[jolly python]

Archers win

[vocal shell]

based on what I was seeing watching Ziggy's vod there should've been some path back, but the majority of dragon team was literally all the way up in the front left room(defense perspective) for some reason. I don't get why y'all were that forward at any point given that it let us wipe the staircase really badly and that was one of the factors trapping Sun God really hard.

It might've needed a jump to cross, but that's not the worst thing. In the vod it looked like they ran forward and just never even tried to come back. I didn't even see anyone getting snagged on the barricades to even be able to fail to come back in time to help sun god.

I think it was multiple factors and the barricades still weren't good though

[thorny summit]

i was in the flank vc so idk, but apparently a lot of our guys got wiped and then it spawned them on the far side of the throne room so they couldnt get over in time

[vocal shell]

that's what I thought, getting a bad spawn after an overly forward fight gets y'all wiped is the main factor then

[thorny summit]

i was right next to the engi and nearly got locked out, i have it in my vod

[vocal shell]

we also found out on our rudhelm defense that if too many people die at once the spawn system can struggle. That's why we weren't defending gatehouse. We f10'd on the far tower to try to get back in time and we didn't fully spawn until partway through the tents lol.

[thorny summit]

yeah i noticed that yall just didnt spawn at the tents section. ruined by spawns.

[vocal shell]

it should've been a big spawnwave and a coordinated retake, but the game just didn't work

in theory the strat was great and would've naturally resulted in an unprecedented bunching of as many as 20-25 players into a single retake

[vocal shell]

I see, you stopped the last barricade from going up which would've blocked people out if they didn't jump on the railing to the left(retreating perspective)

there was technically still a "lane" if that last cade had gone up, but it'd require a lot more awareness to use than you'd expect out of people in a normal fight

I'm also a freak so I'm jumping during traversal all the time so I'm just more aware of paths like that, as even the heir can mess around with the railings without issue

[thorny summit]

the real different just came from communication tbh. i wasnt in the main dragon vc for most of the time, but based on talking to people from lion team they actually had good coordination

[vocal shell]

yeah we had a few people who kept the comms moving

[thorny summit]

meanwhile mack, one of the most level headed people i've played with, lost it and deafened after thayic because of dragon comms

[vocal shell]

now I have to rewatch your vod from the start to see if this is as bad as highlander comms 😂

I've been in some nightmare comms environments. tf2center was always funny because people would drop into the mumble in groups of 2-3 and do driveby micspam

[thorny summit]

well if you skip to two minutes into thayic, you'll be able to hear the whinging i had to put up with for an hour and a half from a certain someone who shall not be named

[vocal shell]

I haven't seen it but that sounds like a caz moment

[thorny summit]

I was in the flank vc so idk how bad the main vc was

[thorny summit]

no comment :)

[vocal shell]

I don't have anything against Caz, so I have no hesitation for giving @vivid lily shit when he do the stupid and needs to cut out coping in vc 😂
also I should probably play TO with him more often now that I have the game installed again

sounds like he wasn't the only one coping either

holding your tongue during comp is honestly not an easy skill to build sometimes. I've definitely had to get used to avoiding coping in VC as well

[jolly python]

What are you guys even talking about

[vocal shell]

we're being the most on topic that an archer thread has ever been

[solemn thorn]

not archer stuff that's for sure

[vocal shell]

there was a 32v32 TO event yesterday and we were talking about that

[jolly python]

Oh

If I were there I would have won by myself

[vocal shell]

unfortunately for some reason we decided to play thayic stronghold and not even you would've been able to break that defense because the first point is still geographically fucked

reminds me I should post our spawn issues on rudhelm in bug reports

[jolly python]

Back in my day we crashed events

[halcyon steeple]

Random Savior's throwing axe gaming literally clears that in a minute tops

[jolly python]

True

If the lobby is shit enough I can get near the top of the scoreboard with them

[halcyon steeple]

I feel like merely having a horn or banner class should mean you never get outscored by throwing axe skirmisher lmao

[jolly python]

https://tenor.com/view/physics-axe-ouch-that-hurts-gif-17427083

[halcyon steeple]

Lmao why it hovering like that

[vocal shell]

it's really not that bad to get 75+ish takedowns and 40+ kills with throwing axe on full length maps honestly

I have an easier time with throwing axes than javs for some reason even

[jolly python]

Throwing Axes can have a nice arc for getting over your team mates

[halcyon steeple]

Ya but you could be getting twice the takedowns and have a special ability that just prints points too

Horn skirmisher would be kinda spicy

[jolly python]

ARCHERS CANT HAVE GOOD SPECIALS REEE

[halcyon steeple]

Skirmishers aren't archers 🗿

They're closer to ambushers honestly

[vocal shell]

ambushers have headshot bonus and 7 throwing knives. They're just actually the fourth archer subclass because torn banner couldn't figure out how to design proper ambushing in this game

the best ambusher in chivalry 2 at this time is a devastator with a greatsword

[halcyon steeple]

The best way to make ambushing a thing would be better map design and spawn wave mechanics lol

And active camouflage

[jolly python]

I think I headshot an archer as a skirmisher with a throwing axe but he still lived

[halcyon steeple]

Ya pretty sure they do

[jolly python]

I was pretty mad

[halcyon steeple]

It's whack, kinda like this 15 sec slowmode

[jolly python]

Mods are racist

[vocal shell]

throwing axe headshots to archer are 85 damage iirc

[halcyon steeple]

I wonder if it's for this thread specifically, gonna check

[jolly python]

Bit sad innit??

[halcyon steeple]

Lmaoo the other ones have 5 seconds

[jolly python]

So I end up focusing on knights and footman

[halcyon steeple]

The knight dmg is pretty meaty

[vocal shell]

tbh I think the only way they can make ambusher into an ambusher is to start by removing throwing knives and headshot bonus and then tying more benefits for the class to the use of native weapons.
Footstep sound removal can be a benefit not tied to native weapons.
Ambusher weapons are horrifically short so I think they could be allowed a significant movespeed bonus, like 15% or maybe even 20% instead of the MAA's 10%, for example, but don't give them the dodge cooldown bonus because that is the defining MAA thing. That would 100% need to be tied to native weapons because having a vanguard faster than devastator with a 2h spear and the execution perk would be one of the most terrifying conceivable things in the game.

active camoflauge feels like it'd be a bit weird with how arcadey and fast chiv 2 is, so leaning into that by making ambusher into a borderline ninja class for sheer footwork would be sick as fuck

[halcyon steeple]

I already basically don't have throwing knives, katar gaming 😔

Movespeed and no footstep sound would be nice

[vocal shell]

it could be a problem in dueling, but duels are not what chiv 2 was built for so cry about it I guess 😂

[halcyon steeple]

Gimme bolas to ensnare the archer running away

[vocal shell]

no matter how much I'd like to be able to snare archers I think it's just not fun to randomly move slower when the movement in this game can feel so good

[halcyon steeple]

I've never been very impressed with the movement

It's especially awkward on uneven terrain

And sometimes you'll randomly do a walking animation while still running fast and it looks so bad lol

Matrix back crouches are nice though

[vocal shell]

it can feel really good if you just get shit going on
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6wd17KQfSw

[halcyon steeple]

Now let's see the heavy shield guardian

[vocal shell]

it's not that I haven't done anything funny with the cav sword guardian, but I stopped being assed to gather clips around 2.8 so I just don't have anything recorded 😂

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUmVwDHCX2E this video should also have a significant amount of good movement stuff

[halcyon steeple]

I miss the chiv 1 fists

All you have to do against chiv 2 fists is block the telegraphed special

[vocal shell]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XneO___o4H0 here's knight at least

[halcyon steeple]

You can't fool me, that's old school runescape gameplay

https://tenor.com/view/american-psycho-impressive-very-nice-coping-patrick-bateman-gif-26518058

[vocal shell]

that's not OSRS gameplay. This is OSRS gameplay. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekZ9Q_u7St0

[harsh lake]

Foot steps and their voice build up with special. A lot of people i know that play ambusher a lot cant really sneak up on players because apparently the character needs to make sounds when he is using the special, which tells the person they trying to ambush " Im about to stab you! "

[halcyon steeple]

Not a problem with katars

[vocal shell]

might be fun to make an ambusher rework suggestion thread, because there's a lot of audio cues to think about and it'd be really cool to have a class which isn't just skirmisher 2 but vanguard

it doesn't need to be necessarily a top level competitive class, but it should be far more individualistic and distinct than it is

[harsh lake]

Honestly what you put in is what they could do. Getting rid of headshot damage and throwing knives, Giving them some weapons that arent too short, etc. Also throwing knives could be a third throwing weapon for skirmishers.

[vocal shell]

I'll make the thread and lets see if I'm yet again a criminal for wanting more highly distinct and interesting ways to play the game

[harsh lake]

Everyones facts, opinions, statements etc are criminal in this discord lol

[halcyon steeple]

I don't think anyone has as robust a criminal record as I do here

[harsh lake]

Nah your timeouts were biased and unjust! But hilarious as well lol

[jolly python]

The best way to play Ambusher is to be a bastard

Don’t be sneaky, be a bastard. Sneaking has no place in this game. Go for cheap kills, take out the weakest.

[harsh lake]

Thats honestly mostly how everyone plays tbh lol

[jolly python]

But it works even better with Ambusher

[sharp patio]

Unfortunately it was a no archers lobby

[jolly python]

Skirmisher isn’t an archer

[sharp patio]

Right

[steel osprey]

Skirmishers is a scam
But you have my respect for playing as one
(And condolences if you don't do well as one)

[jolly python]

Skirmisher is a valid play style, the devs just hate us

[steel osprey]

Thats ok because with persistence, practice and hard work, the class is still shit

[jolly python]

Looks like someone got throwing axe’d a little too hard

[sharp patio]

no he didn't get throwing axe'd hard enough cause it does 0 damage

you're better off playing ambusher

[steel osprey]

I meant that the class has so many things going against it despite not being op at all

[hybrid fjord]

Class really should be an ambusher kit. Just give the option to pick javs or axes instead of knives.

[jolly python]

Sounds like someone who got throwing axe’d

[steel osprey]

hehe

[remote aspen]

Archers should be one shot on rush special by vanguards with any weapons.
It would make it up for the piercing damage bonus archers got on vanguard.
And basically getting to them should mean instant death as they often stick close to spawn areas to be helped by their team.

[jolly python]

Nah

[steel osprey]

As a bonus, Archers should have bonus damage against vangaurds who are performing charge, specials and heavy attacks to encourage better aim rather than running into spawn once the vangaurd reaches them and to discourage vanguards from leaving the objective to attack a single archer and die to spawned teammates

[jolly python]

Ambusher already gets one tapped by bows 😦

Or was it just warbows

[steel osprey]

in the head by warbows

[jolly python]

😦

[sharp patio]

Delusional vanguards really think archers get a "piercing bonus" against them

[jolly python]

You’re a piercing bonus

[sharp patio]

Why thank you

[hybrid fjord]

I've yet to oneshot a vanguard with a warbow to the head.

[steel osprey]

Its because they're the only unaromed melee class

[muted terrace]

I love watching people talk about things they know nothing about.

There is no pierce damage bonus in this game.
Warbow does not oneshot vanguards of any type.

People talking as if they know what they're talking about is exactly why archer will never reach a conclusive result in discussions, half of the people discussing archer are doing so with absolutely no fucking idea, but will also never admit theyre wrong.

lmao

[shell jetty]

The warbow is the perfect metaphor. Heavy, slow, drawn back, hesitant. Just like the players who use it. Too heavy and slow to stand up out of their gamer chair, drawn back to the spawn point, and hesitant to play the real game in front of them. The best melee slasher on the market. May they all see the light and rise above the weight that is warbow 🙏.

[lone crystal]

Archers should be able to drop a nuke if they get 30 kills in a row

[jolly python]

There’s no reason to discuss anything because throwing axes are better than bows anyhow

Anyways I could have sworn ambusher took additional damage from projectiles now I’m gonna have to check

Nvm game servers are having a shit

Oh damn they all have a weakness to it. But I'm gonna still say that Warbow oneshots ambusher anyways because that's what i play

[harsh lake]

https://medal.tv/games/chivalry-2/clips/1mD2oXGarL-adz/d1337In3BqGU?invite=cr-MSwycUwsMTg2MjMxMTY4LA What are you talking about?

[hybrid fjord]

Warbow should just fire homing teebuchet launchers

[jolly python]

Ahh out here doing the research

https://tenor.com/view/halal-pray-praying-cat-praying-cat-gif-19802221

[harsh lake]

I have done it for the longest and when people say everyone is complaining about archer is complete bull lol.

[jolly python]

Yeah I don't do research 😎

Only nerds do research

[harsh lake]

You dont need too lol. This is why devs arent doing anything to archers besides nerfing Aim Assist.

[jolly python]

Alright, I'm gonna actually lay some real serious thoughts. We needed that Reinforced update a long time ago

Game needs some serious work yesterday

[harsh lake]

They need to fix there servers

[jolly python]

They need to fucking fix everything

At this rate someone needs to make a thread and everyone just detail the biggest issues with the game. I know there's a bug thread and that's probably the most important thing to address first

[harsh lake]

Sunder I believe made one that Connect is responding too about

All the major issues and continued issues that were never resolved

[hybrid fjord]

That's probably a long list.

[harsh lake]

But i dont expect even after almost 3 years now they wont even bother fixing anything. Its super bad and people are saying the reason why they aint fixing it because they might be working on a new game. I aint buying anything else from TB if all they keep producing is garbage

[jolly python]

Mirage II

[hybrid fjord]

If I didn't have a giftcard from last year I would not have put more money into the game.

[harsh lake]

I honestly laugh at the people that complain they wont fix things and the game sucks yet buy their passes. Why feed them more money?

[hybrid fjord]

Consumers

[jolly python]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/493920/NeverMine/

Steam

NeverMine

As the Wind, you must guide the Mine Kafon to the unexploded bombs left over around the countryside. Detonating these mines safely will help to prevent children and adults from being injured by them as they live, work, and play.Unexploded bombs and mines kill and injure thousands of people per year, and the majority of those hurt are civilians.I...

Price

$14.99

▶ Play video

what the fuck is this, they made this?

Oh damn, I read the description that's quite grim

[harsh lake]

I think it was abandoned lo

[jolly python]

It was made for a bundle

[sullen axle]

There's this thread, not sure of any others:
#1125942027369074749

If there's other "major" issues, would recommend sharing them.

[harsh lake]

Bundle for what?

Oh it was Goblin who made the thread

[hybrid fjord]

Hi Connect

[jolly python]

"HELP: The Game is a project which brings together the top developers, studios and gaming industry superstars - all to raise money for children in war.

War Child supports and protects children whose lives have been disrupted by war and conflict. Our programmes are rebuilding lives across Afghanistan, Iraq, Jordan, Uganda, the Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC) and Central African Republic.

We understand children’s needs, respect their rights, and put them at the centre of the solution - from supporting Syrian children to access education, to reintegrating child soldiers in the Central African Republic and enabling girls to escape life on the streets in the DRC.

Thank you for your support!"

[harsh lake]

I kid you not i just started laughing when i saw the first word was " HELP " lol

[jolly python]

And then you read the rest of it

[harsh lake]

So thats false advertisment then as im pretty sure that was never towards Children in war enviroments. Plus there are plenty of programs that are legit in it that already do this.

[sullen axle]

https://www.warchild.org.uk/

https://www.warchild.org.uk/get-involved/gaming

This is off-topic though from the thread

[jolly python]

This thread is never on topic

I'm afraid it must be closed for re-education

[sullen axle]

If that is a legitimate request you are making, it can be closed, yes.

[jolly python]

Nah, we can fix it. From henceforth, it shall be for archer discussion only. This is my mandate, this is my law.

[harsh lake]

Yeah Random Archer only Discussion!

[jolly python]

Anyways I hate archers

[harsh lake]

Thats why i kill them for free kills 🙂

[jolly python]

I am glad aim assist is being addressed in the next patch, archery should be more skill based to make them valuable to the team

[hybrid fjord]

Like the majority of other things can be constituted as such.

[harsh lake]

You ever seen the aim assist for melee weapons?

[jolly python]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-troll-face-depressed-trollface-gif-25126675

[hybrid fjord]

I have it turned off, why?

[harsh lake]

Apparently been talking to people that have it on and it just does the work for them. 2 handed spear is recommended for more stupidity of it.

[jolly python]

Aim assist should not be on melee

I don't even think it should be on ranged

[lone crystal]

Does AA work on thrown items?

[jolly python]

Could try testing it

[lone crystal]

Unfortunately that requires turning on the game. Cant do that since I got a puppy in my lap

[harsh lake]

Yes

[jolly python]

I've got the day off so I can try testing it real quick

[hybrid fjord]

It works but it's a bitch to aim still

[jolly python]

show

[halcyon steeple]

Yesss are we back in action?

[jolly python]

So long as you don’t troll

[harsh lake]

Bad Ayla that question was not Archer related

[hybrid fjord]

Hi Ayla

[halcyon steeple]

Hello

[harsh lake]

https://medal.tv/games/chivalry-2/clips/1mDBaTxC_1QuZW/d1337TWzMsC0?invite=cr-MSxaY0EsMTg2MjMxMTY4LA Countering archers is fun

[jolly python]

Very nice

[harsh lake]

I have so many of clips just countering arrows

[muted terrace]

So do I, doesn't mean it's viable or reliable.

[jolly python]

It’s a nice party trick

But the average archer can’t see default skins, use that to your advantage

[halcyon steeple]

Average archer also can't read, is deaf and cannot comprehend object permanence

[jolly python]

Does anyone here actually like the brazier

[halcyon steeple]

No lol

[jolly python]

Would you say longbowman would be better off with a different ability

[halcyon steeple]

Yes of course, and so would their teammates lmao

[vocal shell]

the brazier is great. It gets archers to spend their next 2 minutes trying to teamkill me instead of my other teammates and that's its real special power.

break a brazier and suddenly the archer gains object permanence for you specifically

[halcyon steeple]

Well breaking braziers is pretty silly unless they're legitimately beaming you with every arrow

[vocal shell]

one fire arrow hits my back and I know 4 others are hitting other teammtes

it's just better to break the brazier

[jolly python]

Just give longbowman quiver, problem solved

(not really)

[halcyon steeple]

Not necessarily true, some team damage is completely unpredictable from the pov of the shooter

You can't constantly predict the moves of your team

It sucks because it kinda demands having a specifically good vantage to place it, but the zone of battle is constantly changing

Also when you're forced to play around a brazier and the battle gets further away, more team dmg will happen as slow projectile speed means you have to predict very well

[lone crystal]

As a warbow main, I would love to have brazier replaced with quiver. Give skirmisher literally anything else

[muted terrace]

If they shoot me, it gets broken

And the one next to that one

[muted terrace]

"as a warbow main"
Suddenly it all makes sense...

[halcyon steeple]

:(

This is part of why I go like 90% of the game without using brazier sometimes

Weak, inconsistent, pisses the team off

[sharp patio]

imagine if people could set their weapons alight and gain fire on their melee weapons

[lone crystal]

The devs could just give us back our original 20 ammo also

[halcyon steeple]

Warbow doesn't need buffs smh

Just give us special arrows with stackable charges like medkits

[lone crystal]

Silence elf, let me be biased in peace

[jolly python]

Skirmisher would be kind of nice with horn. I know it’s an xp printer and all, but it would be a good team tool. Then again it would probably be redundant as a whole

[sharp patio]

yae whoo lets give every class a horn

[jolly python]

I’m down

And give Skirmisher a gun fuck it

[sharp patio]

To keep it consist with the low ammo I suggest a remington model 1858

[jolly python]

Explosive arrows

[halcyon steeple]

I want poison

[sharp patio]

ice arrows when?

[jolly python]

https://tenor.com/view/greenarrow-boxing-glove-boxingglove-justiceleague-gif-9922490

[harsh lake]

Poison Arrows!

[solemn thorn]

I like the boxing glove arrow

[halcyon steeple]

Psychedelic tipped arrows

[harsh lake]

I can see that going wrong real badly but would be amazing to see lol.

Actually make it the same way as drinking in the game.

[sharp patio]

do you even comprehend how mad that would make people?

[solemn thorn]

that'd be pretty funny for at least a little bit

then it'd just get really annoying

[harsh lake]

Thats why i said it would go wrong lol

[sharp patio]

got archer 69

[tiny vessel]

Part of me wonders if archer complainers were to get what they want, only to say "WHERE ARCHERS" when they keep dying to weapons they have troubles playing against

[jolly python]

Please be constructive

[tiny vessel]

Aren't most archer complaints anything but? Getting those headshots are p difficult as it is and even if you aren't the best shot, your target would now need to be mindful of you while simultaneously in a melee fight with your teammates

A player shooting arrows at someone already in a melee fight will more likely walk into hits he'd otherwise wouldn't

[shell jetty]

You honestly think this is even a remote possibility ? Hell nah.

[tiny vessel]

People often fail to understand the concept of class roles and why the low damage ranged specialist fits in a melee game

[lone crystal]

They probably wouldn’t ask where all the archers are but they may get bored of the endless meat clashes and ask for something else to change the dynamic of team fights

[shell jetty]

Its not like this is an RPG. There arnt classes roles. Weapon roles at best, and not many at that.

[steel osprey]

I just use it as a bludgeon, works pretty well as almost no one bothers blocking against it

[tiny vessel]

"Class role" still exists in a team-based game. Footmen and archers are more support-focused, Knights and Vanguards are more offensive, and who knows what the fuck Ambusher is supposed to be

[jolly python]

a killer

[hybrid fjord]

An assassin obviously

[shell jetty]

Only real role divisions are based on weapons. Id argue fast 2hs, slow 2-hs, shields and ranged being the only 4 actual distinctions. All 1-hs perform relatively the same, and youre either mass gambling or swing manipulating with 2hers. The game honestly ain't that deep.

Healing is like 20% impact at most, and only cause of banner

This is for TO of course. You can be overly pedantic and claim there is massive depth to duels, but its mostly just microadjustments to screw with peoples muscle memory

[sharp patio]

you forget spear/halberd

[shell jetty]

Spamming gambles with spear, swing manipulation with halberd

[halcyon steeple]

Engineer. 🗿

[hybrid fjord]

[exotic summit]

Archer Lives Matter

[vocal shell]

wrong

[hybrid fjord]

Archers win again

[exotic summit]

you're right. it should be

Matter the Life of an Archer

[steel osprey]

Whats the matter archer? :P

[exotic summit]

Putin an arrow to your heel, Achilles

[hybrid fjord]

Deez bolts

[steel osprey]

hehe

[simple vale]

crossbowman should get muskets

[steel osprey]

They are technically.
When you think about how the new Seige Crossbow works, it's basically a firearm

[hybrid fjord]

How come

[latent moth]

Welp at least with the update bows will no longer be firing AIM-9Xs

[hybrid fjord]

Maybe they'll fix the bad hit detection so stuff stops going through people and when I hit people in the head it actually hits them.

[latent moth]

I get headshotted enough already thank you very much

[hybrid fjord]

Would you allow it for some rabbit instead of field mouse?

[latent moth]

Hmmmm
Okay

[hybrid fjord]

Also a peasant class with more peasant weapons

[latent moth]

Yeah!

And better pitchfork

[hybrid fjord]

Yes, and a better peasant pickaxe

[latent moth]

Yuppers! I need to mine those diamonds somehow!

[sharp patio]

Peasant LTS

[steel osprey]

Goes through buildables and danages siege equipment.
Not sure if it pierces shields yet

[hybrid fjord]

So it can pierce pavise?

[thorny summit]

it only pierces if it breaks the buildable, but it still does reduced damage to the target behind it. it doesnt pierce shield unless it breaks the shield iirc, but dont quote me on that.

it'll be good for countering engis but i cant see people using it over the warbow

[hybrid fjord]

Same

I dunno if I'm going to use it over the light one

[steel osprey]

I would

I like slow shooters. Means that I do more damage BUt kill less cause I'm spending more time on my shots

[hybrid fjord]

I prefer rate of fire over damage unless we're talking HE.

[steel osprey]

I would like it if they changed the longbow into something rapid fire based where it pings off targets at exceessive range making it only good at close range

[tiny vessel]

how much is damage reduced by?

[exotic summit]

That would be the short bow

Only designed for close range. Longbows are meant for long distance
Crossbows were meanf to pierce armors, but also cavalry

[half shoal]

Like if being in a 1vx wasn't enough, I dont need a coward archer killing me and bragging about it

[exotic summit]

But the reload draw time on crossbow at the time required alot of training to have it set fast

[half shoal]

I only respect archeers who know how to aim further than 2 fts and go agaisnt others archers

[hybrid fjord]

Recurve tank is turning into my preffered mordhau archer build

[tiny vessel]

I respect archers who know how to prioritize their targets, which is unfortunately quite rare

[vivid lily]

I respect no archers

Come duel me with ur stick and feathers and string cuh

https://tenor.com/view/bow-arrow-shoot-bow-bow-and-arrow-shooting-bow-gif-20554959

[burnt raptor]

Sounds like terrible shot

[exotic summit]

a terrible shot and yet, a strong warrior like achilles, was brought down by an archer

[steel osprey]

Well unfortunately our lomgbow is already short ranged amd the crossbow barely beats the warbow in anti armour capabilities IF you nail headshots only which doesn't happen

[steel osprey]

homelander theme plays
😈

[harsh lake]

Come at me Peasant! I shall beat you with stick!

[jolly python]

Skirmisher deserves little a stamina, as a treat

[tiny vessel]

That, and being able to one-hit-headshot archers with throwing axes

Getting domed by a 4hp bowman after doming him isn't fun

[sharp patio]

An issue of skill

[tiny vessel]

Btw, what's a good way to brush up on my bow skills? Cuz in most cases, I only ever touch archer if a priority target needs to be arrowed, and me class switching as a reaction to certain weapons just ends with me missing all my shots, my teammate getting killed and eating two heavy overheads

[tight kelp]

practice in training mode maybe

[marble egret]

Training mode or honestly just experience training in TO

[lone crystal]

Just hop into TO matches and let loose

[hybrid fjord]

One shotting other archers with a recurve or crossbow in mordhau makes it more tolerable.

[harsh lake]

Play FFA

[hybrid fjord]

http://myarmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t=26398&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=40

Some interesting formations talk

[sharp patio]

No way this man is discussing archerology in an online forum

No but I dont see much talk about formations all I see are people discussing horse archers

[hybrid fjord]

Yeah there was links to byzantine infantry groups of sandwiched spearmen and archers.

It's a book I wanted to acquire on the Niko byzantine military strategies but it's damn expensive.

[halcyon steeple]

@vocal shell You got bonked

[vocal shell]

yep, kind of a rough lobby there on the tdm because I kept running headfirst into the side where the entire ziggy stack was lol.

was trying to get warm for shovel for stridah's event, but in the end that was pointless because it ran long anyway and I had to drop out for kendos against omen

[halcyon steeple]

😔

Always fun when I recognize someone from here

[hybrid fjord]

You never find me

[halcyon steeple]

Ya you stay hiding

[hybrid fjord]

I don't hind from you

[jolly python]

We stay hungry

[ebon socket]

Indeed

[jolly python]

My problem with archers is that they get me in my worst moods

Then I get angry, and then I suck, and then I give up

[hybrid fjord]

I get angry and start getting more kills and kicking peoples bodies and it makes the game unpleasant.

[calm monolith]

Looking for some feed back on bow based archer class idea

Arrow types

***Heavy Bodkin Arrow ***

• Increased damage to heavy armor such as knights+
  +Increase damage to shields+
  +increase this arrow types effective rang+
  -Greatly reduced damage to light and medium armor classes-
  -Reduced carry capacity of this arrow type-
  -Increase draw time for this this type of arrow-
  -Increase stamina drain penalty for holding this arrow type drawn / aiming
  -Increase movement penalty after shooting this arrow type / stagger archer after shot-
  -Decreased projectile speed-
  -can not be set on fire-

Hight velocity broadhead arrow
+Increase Projectile speed+

• Increase damage to light armor and medium classes+
  +Decrease the draw time to shoot this arrow type+
  +Increased carrying capacity+
• No movement penalty after shooting or while moving and shooting with this arrow type+

• Greatly reduced damage to heavy armor targets and shields-
  -Can not be set on fire-
  -Increase the time to regen stamina while using this arrow type-
  -Greatly reduce the effective range off this arrow type-

Oil coated arrows
+while set ablaze do increased burn damage+

• Increased damage against light armor+
  +Increase the effective rang of this arrow+
• Can be set on fire+
  -Decrease the carrying capacity for this arrow type-
  -Medium armor and heavy armor take greatly reduced burn damage-
  -Decreased projectile speed-
  -Increase the stamina drain to draw this arrow type-
  -Increase the time to regen stamina while using this arrow type-
  -Can only bet set ablaze by a brazier-
  -Increase score requirement to place brazier equipment-
  -Increased movement penalty while moving and shooting this arrow type-

All arrows would be locked behind the longbow men class level not overall player level.

Each arrow type is locked behind a set of challenges in long bow men class

***In order to unlocked the corresponding arrow type challenges you must reach a certain level in long bow men class ***

[hybrid fjord]

I'll take a look when my head stops pounding

[hybrid fjord]

Gonna summarize it for all of them but I don't see a need to lower or raise draw times on heavier ammo, the weights on the heads would be different in grams and isn't noticeable unless you're shooting something whimsically different. Second I dislike wanting to apply any additional movement penalties to both the shooter and the targets, roots are generally hated and it becomes an irritation to apply it. Otherwise I like the idea of adding target based ammo but that brings the caveat that more vanguards and knights will bitch about higher damage, especially the idea of armor penetrating bodkins on warbow with the amount of complaints it already gets.

[steel osprey]

I think the main issue with these cool arrow types is the ammount of difference they have compared to the default arrow

[silver sable]

archerGODS and throwCHADS own this universe!!!

[static finch]

The 2.5kd and below universe

[remote aspen]

Just make an archer game and take them off chiv2 TO servers

[jolly python]

They did it’s called Falmire

[tiny vessel]

What would be the ideal target priority for archers? Cuz I imagine the top 2 would be "enemies sitting on objective" and "Highland Sword"

[sharp patio]

why do you ask?

[tiny vessel]

Thought i'd ask what sorta targets people should pick if I'm to play archer more

[sharp patio]

I mean yeah for archers
for crossbow you want to fire into crowds at head height and go for knights
for warbow you want to make vanguard lives hell and take out the other archers

[hybrid fjord]

Warbow is a sharp but you can pretty much do a lot of damage to everyone since it's stupid strong.

[lone crystal]

Priority target the enemy teams carry and any enemies closing the distance on your position. Aside from that, merk other archers and vanguards and help teammates who are getting ganked

[hybrid fjord]

Pretty much every archer weapon can be setup to kill other archers since a headshot is a guaranteed kill unless you use throwing axes. Rest are 2 body shots and 1 shot body on warbow full draw.

Crossbow is blunt so it should prioritize hard targets like knights and footmen, the bow and warbow are sharps and should prioritize soft targets like vanguards and archers. You should focus supastars and try hards and help thin the enemy herd down.

[muted terrace]

Honestly fuck you guys, just shoot at eachother and leave us alone

[vocal shell]

why would they prioritize targets they don't want the attention of

we're just fucked :(

[steel osprey]

When you hit them that is

[hybrid fjord]

Easiest to hit with out of the kits.

[jolly python]

You son of a bitch. You piece of shit. You fucking goddamn fucker. Listen, fuckhead, you have fucking crossed the line. Get that through your goddamn fucking head. Stop pushing your shit.

[hybrid fjord]

I swear this is a copypasta.

[jolly python]

It is

[sharp patio]

true archer mains just lack attention and want the whole lobby chasing them

[jolly python]

Archers lose

[sharp patio]

evil random savior

[simple vale]

archers tie

[burnt raptor]

I heard warbow got nerfed to half damage on vanguards so i wouldn't bother

Buff to archers though

[tiny vessel]

Whereabouts you heard?

[burnt raptor]

Idk i read it

[burnt raptor]

^

[solemn thorn]

pretty sure that's not true

[sharp patio]

his source is he made it the f up

[static finch]

https://tenor.com/view/armstrong-made-it-up-gif-25653819

[tight kelp]

I don't get all the archer hate, can't you just teamkill them?

[hybrid fjord]

Teamkilling is frowned upon.

[vocal shell]

the only efficient way to tk archers nowadays is to use fire pots and you get banned for teamkilling too often anyway. My only ban from chiv 2 was a 24 hour ban for fire chickening some archers for a couple maps straight for continuing to play archer after I got tired of getting tk'd by arrows.

actually I haven't tested it, but flaming fish and flaming logs might set teammates on fire still, so those could be map-situational options

[tight kelp]

you can just maul spec them, they have fuck all health so unless u tk the entire match you wont get kicked for team damage

[tight kelp]

ty for the heads up

[tight kelp]

I find dropping traps/kicking off the map is the best way

or collapsing the floor beneath them etc

or even just heavy attacking them when you see they are low health

[vocal shell]

yeah, map-situational options basically all turn into instant kills. Don't forget the lever on galencourt as well as you're transitioning from ships to the next obj.

the lever works as of recently

[tight kelp]

yeah i use that one pretty often

[simple vale]

I mean like, listen I hate getting hit by friendly arrows just as much as the next person, but that don’t mean people should go team killing archers. unless the archer is intentionally being a jerk you don’t need to be a jerk to them

[hybrid fjord]

Video evidence will make that suspension more permanent.

[tight kelp]

im not saying you should but im not saying you should either yk

[vocal shell]

the entire purpose of archer is to disregard the melee combat mechanics and deal unavoidable damage. You're being a jerk starting from the moment you pick archer in a game where the melee combat was balanced fully in the absence of archer and every mechanic other than holding right click with a shield out to mitigate the impact of archer was added after the game was released.

There's also the part where every map in the game is designed in a manner where most objectives are open hallways or fields with completely unavoidable sightlines if you're actually intending to participate in the objective, meaning that the only ways to not die to archer are simply to get lucky or to play so passive that you're basically not engaging with the game mechanics anyway.

[simple vale]

You’re being a jerk starting from the moment you pick archer
no not really.

[vocal shell]

of course, I'd be perfectly happy with optional no archer environments

I'm even going to host one along with testing higher tickrates and different map rotations when/if private servers happen

it's a single line in the config as is tickrate adjustment, although tickrate adjustment in particular may have other unintended side effects

my guess is if anything is tick-based instead of properly handled with some form of delta it'll be siege weapon rotation

[tight kelp]

kinda gross to defend archers as field engi ngl\

[vocal shell]

the other guess would be objective capture rates

wouldn't want to accidentally double point capture rates by going from 30 to 60 tick

[tight kelp]

source on TKing archers getting perm bans? because ive done it daily for nearly a year

[hybrid fjord]

Field engis are far more match swaying than archers are as force multipliers.

[hybrid fjord]

No one reports you to the staff for being a piece of shit.

[tight kelp]

please remain civil this is meant to be a discussion not an arguement

[tight kelp]

field engis cant hide in spawn areas or attack from unreachable areas like the walls on darkforest tho

also i dont think anyone is trying to argue that archers are super impactful tbf

[hybrid fjord]

Field engis can block spawns and block the entire objective.

[vocal shell]

field engineers directly interact with melee, face danger for what they're doing, and are provided inferior weapons in exchange for their limited count and high impact

pickaxe is by a substantial bit the most versatile engineer weapon as well as the longest and it's of equal length to the warhammer

[simple vale]

he’s calling you a piece because you just admitted to constantly team killing

[tight kelp]

still no reason to be toxic and break discord server rules

[hybrid fjord]

The weapons are better than side arms and you can directly block entire teams with walls which are better than the ones in Mordhau.

[tight kelp]

Its a shame we cant have meaningful archer discussion anymore...

[vocal shell]

walls which also tend to face far higher player densities because this game doesn't penalize team damage

the walls are "better" and die faster because 6 people standing ass to ass are overheading the walls simultaneously

[tight kelp]

shovel kinda dogshit tbf

[hybrid fjord]

Because they're taller and you can't climb over them lol

[tight kelp]

spike trap moment

[hybrid fjord]

The only saving grace is there is a rate and body count cap to engi in Chiv2

[vocal shell]

yeah, the exact ratio is .125

which means in a full 40p lobby the 2.5 engineers rounds up to 3

[hybrid fjord]

4 engis and 4 walls per engi

[tight kelp]

i love when the enemy has 4 engis

so many free points

[vocal shell]

2 walls held at a time, 4 walls constrained by ammo crate access. Effectiveness is extremely point-dependent, and that's a map design solve moreso than it is that engineers are too strong as is

torn banner does a poor job of handling some points

[tight kelp]

wait do people actually think field engi is OP lol, i feel like its just the only class that like encourages strategy

[vocal shell]

the church door on galencourt is an example of some of the best engineer balance in the game because the only ammo crate is in the danger zone for defense and the objective itself benefits so much from maximum wall density

[hybrid fjord]

I've stopped losses just by encircling objectives. I've watched teams get stuck in their own spawns because of engis. It's a near broken mechanic because of placement distance that's only mitigated by short weapons and wall health.

[tight kelp]

yeah a lot of defense areas have no supply crates its annoying af, or when you just cant put walls down in the obj

[vocal shell]

in contrast there's the forward right rock on aberfell where engineers have free safe access to a crate and can create essentially impenetrable chokes due to broken geometry for defense favoring defense massively

[vocal shell]

the opposite end of that is that by blocking spawn and your team not taking the objective in time you've created a deathball by compressing the enemy spawn waves, and those tend to create genuinely devastating retakes

because you're mostly in pub TO teams are going to fumble even if the engineer does a great play, and because you're in pub TO while on defense you get away with stupid shit like walling too close to an interactable objective and having players not simply use third person to interact over your walls

[tight kelp]

tbh if you have like 1 decent engi on the other team, and the enemy team isn't incompetent at looking after him, your walls melt fast af

[vocal shell]

yeah engineers don't really work below a count of 3 in 64p unless the other team is unfocused and incompetent

and in 40p if the team is anything more than 15v15 only 2 engineers also barely if at all works

[tight kelp]

engis are great against shitters though lol

[vocal shell]

of course, if a shitload of players have low base damage weapons equipped it can be different-ish, but when the majority of all players on teams are running baxe, messer, greatsword, falchion you're watching walls melt almost like they're getting counter-engineered

[tight kelp]

i love when you make a gap to funnel them in, and they just run into the choke point instead of breaking walls

[vocal shell]

actually made it come to mind that I should give some feedback on engi limit so that engi squads want to die less inside in 20v20 and should have zero impact on 64p

[hybrid fjord]

The game is balanced around pub 64.

[vocal shell]

the map is balanced around both 40 and 64p and the devs keep forgetting that they can't actually do that. It's actually part of the problem with the current map pool.

If you've been paying attention, many of the earlier maps up through galencourt were clearly and obviously designed for a lower playercount version of chivalry 2 which is why some particularly nasty chokes exist such as galencourt's second explosives gate, the staircases to the banners on lionspire, the gatehouse on rudhelm, etc.

Thayic Stronghold was only publicly tested on 52p and we had reasonable concerns which came to pass and to this day haven't been resolved about the geometry on the first point that nearly ruined the test server until we started sabotaging barricades, concerns which are most negatively amplified in pub 64p.

64p was very obviously a late consideration in the game's development even if it was present in the first public testing builds

archer was also placed in a 40p space first and that's where archer is noticeably not as bad, as the spawn system simply has to be working in overdrive to support 64p and thus it's nearly impossible to flank properly in general.

as a good example of how overdrive spawns are, in the MFL I had us try a strat where the whole team would f10 after holding the left siege ramp on Rudhelm to hugely slow down the gatehouse push which would, if the spawns work, spawn 20+ of us at once and create one of the best coordinated retakes the game has ever seen.

Reality is that it took us the next 3-4 minutes before our entire team spawned because we fucked the spawn system so hard that it had no idea what to do and was basically just in full panic mode.

thankfully we clutched up and held the heir, but that was a hugely disappointing moment which makes it clear no part of the game was actually stress tested properly for higher playercounts on top of making it so we simply got rolled through the start of the siege ramps before we even had a complete team

server performance also baselines nearing unacceptable mostly in 64p because the servers seem to have scalability issues or they're cheaping out on hosts or perhaps overprovisioning containers on a single host(we'll find out which if private servers show up)

[hybrid fjord]

It's cheaping out on hosts, when I started on Series the game ran fine.

All I do is 64 and 40 to.

[vocal shell]

there were also two weeks before 2.7 where there were some good servers in the Central region

they were testing gcore servers at that time, and at a later date gcore servers were also poorly performing hosts

so I think it's a combo of cheaping out on hosts and overprovisioning tbh

there's also the fundamental issue that servers run at 30 tick and that just ensures netcode abnormalities because this game has a lot of slight manipulations which can take place between ticks at such a low tickrate

[tight kelp]

60 tick would be ideal

[vocal shell]

even on "good" servers there's more netcode abnormalities than anyone really should be comfortable with

[tight kelp]

ik battlefield 4 had fucked hitreg on 30 tick, altho it does have larger maps, the player counts were the same

[hybrid fjord]

It's been steadily degrading.

[vocal shell]

it sucks that it's degrading because the baseline was already a problem

[hybrid fjord]

If I had seen the problem when I was still on gamepass I wouldn't have bought the game most likely.

[vocal shell]

you know why arrows go through players? you get fucked by your arrow reaching a player at the wrong segment of a tick and by the time registration is checked again the hitbox portion of the arrow is already outside of the player's hurtbox, mario 64 getting through walls style but with fewer safeguards than nintendo used to stop you from going through walls

[tight kelp]

i find server browser games are often worse with hitreg too idk why

[vocal shell]

archers should actually be seeing more netcode abnormalities than melee players because of the relative higher velocity of arrows

[vocal shell]

the server browser servers seem to run on a different pool of inferior hosts

[hybrid fjord]

I do

[vocal shell]

the passworded/tournament server pool seems to be approximately equal to public TO lobbies

[hybrid fjord]

But I use crossbow, not warbow. The trajectory and velocity were already shitty.

Mordhau's longbow and recurve still shoot better.

It's weird, I have an issue picking archer cosmetics because I don't like them. In mordhau I have too many options and I don't know what to run.

[vocal shell]

the cosmetics in chiv are largely pretty bad, lack coherency, and the heraldry is very inflexible especially with the static color palettes

[hybrid fjord]

I get what they were aiming for with faction specific set pieces that are much easier to identify but half of them are bland, the ones that are good don't always work well with heraldry.

When I started the Agathian jousting armor would clip the soft kit through the damn armor and other shit too.

[vocal shell]

and then the ones which are distinctive are almost always in a "this armor goes on display" or "this is a ceremonial armor" kind of fashion, like so over the top that people wouldn't even wear in movies

and then there's the gladiator armor which is an actual clown outfit to go with Rampage talking about nuts in your mouth

[hybrid fjord]

The range goes from 9th century to 17th century.

[vocal shell]

also the whole "helmets don't go with armors" problem is still pretty bad. Most of the vanguard helmets just feel wrong with most of the armors, and knights have clear clashes in helmet and armor sheens and not just in the rusted/banged up vs non-rusted

along with some helmets just not meshing properly with anything but its intended armor such as the frogmouth

[hybrid fjord]

The metal's material doesn't match in a lot of places

[vocal shell]

yeah some armors have like three different sheens on the same armor

and not in a way which really feels like it makes sense or has coherency visually

[hybrid fjord]

A lot of helmets float farther from the head too, the mason vanguard barbute being one of the worst for grossly oversized.

[vocal shell]

there's also a criminal lack of aventails which makes a lot of the helmets feel even worse/prevents masking the vanguard coif hoodie

[hybrid fjord]

The aventail on the agathian knight doesn't even fit the bascinet it's supposed to be attached to.

[vocal shell]

iirc there was at least one footman helmet which is in dire need of an aventail

the gjermundbu

[hybrid fjord]

Morion on mason when it belongs to conquistador. That was a great leap of logic.

[tiny vessel]

Lack of perspective and also not realizing their 2v1 utility in a melee game plus their utility in keeping otherwise problematic weapons from being overused out of fear of being prioritized by archers over other players

[vocal shell]

highland sword isn't a problematic weapon anymore. We have to restrict 2h spear and halberd in comp because they're problematic and unconstrained by archer anyway. Greatsword, Messer, and Heavy Mace are all so good that they're obvious selections regardless of the presence of archer and the only impact archer has is to encourage even more greatsword knight and knight messer than the vanguard versions, further hypercentralizing the game on Knight than it already naturally has been.

1h spear is problematic when stacked and unconstrained by archer as well

if you sign up for the MFL in the tournament grounds discord you'll notice that basically nothing changes when archer isn't present at all other than that the game gets more pleasant

I think they're full for this week, as signups basically fill day of posting

[minor ore]

40p still has room

I would overhaul archery and make it a timing skill. You can’t hold the drawn bow. You have to pull back and hit an ideal range on a slider for maximum effectiveness within a short time window.

[vocal shell]

also fun fact, the hypercentralization on knight takes place without archer too because the "downside" of blunt damage only makes knights situationally more fragile. Most blunt and chop weapons simply at worst get the same hit to kills as they do on vanguard on knight, and the extremely common greatsword and messer get worse hit to kills, so people want to play knight anyway

you see these results because the entire melee combat environment was balanced in the absence of archer to begin with and archer doesn't actually have a meaningful constraining effect except on people's will to keep the game open

[jolly python]

archers lose again

[solemn thorn]

what's the win/loss score looking like these days

[halcyon steeple]

I'm in the lead

[vocal shell]

the truth is the lack of constraining effect archer has on actual gameplay is extremely intentional as well. The supermajority of archer players are so bad at video games you dread to think they might be capable of remembering to breathe, so the game has to be balanced assuming that archer doesn't exist at all if you're to have consistently "working" gameplay interactions

archer cannot serve an essential role because archer players are broadly incapable of being of benefit to their team, and even when they're of benefit they're of detriment to the health of the game itself

[tight kelp]

yeah they're pretty disgusting

[shell jetty]

The game will eventually just be emote spamming archers whos only goal is to ruin the fun for others. Babbaling about their KD's from their spawn points (That they have memorized). I always knew this day would come, and its closer than we realize.

[lone crystal]

Imagine team killing, truly clown behaviour

[tight kelp]

teamkilling? I just kill the red, blue and yellow archers. not my teammates?

[minor ore]

private servers with no archers, simple as

[vocal shell]

man if only we could make single line configuration changes. I would change the engineer ratio to .139 to improve the 40p experience while keeping the server in a state where it's generically deployable for both 64p and 40p, set the archer ratio to 0, test 60 tick(all one line for each change btw, so 3 lines total) and higher for rightsizing, and then work on map rotation

[harsh lake]

https://tenor.com/view/i-like-turtles-mask-make-up-halloween-gif-5308868

[lone crystal]

Turtles are nice, very crunchy

https://youtu.be/YDl7M9ROXPw

[thorny trellis]

Another archer L. You love to see it

[hybrid fjord]

Half of the people in this topic aren't even archer mains.

[tight kelp]

more I would hope

I feel like if your an archer main you should be excluded from these threads due to bias

[vocal shell]

yeah I only have the war bow unlocked on three accounts, topscored a darkforest defense during comp as crossbow archer because I was playing bad in melee that day and had to pass duke, have a 100 takedown game on longbow where I was getting so bored I was committing bow melee on new players, and tend to get an average of 80 takedowns 40 kills or better once warmed up on throwing axe over the duration of proper full length maps so I have no idea what I'm talking about in regard to archer.

[hybrid fjord]

I didn't say you didn't know what you were doing. I said half the people here aren't mains because half the archers are vanguard mains too.

[tight kelp]

b-b-but field engineers have way more objective impact, they are bad for the game 🤭

[hybrid fjord]

Stop putting words in other peoples mouths like an asshat.

[tight kelp]

nah someone literally said that yesterday 💀

chill

[halcyon steeple]

Daddy chill

[jolly python]

Please keep all discussions cordial, or I will bring Keeper back in here.

[tight kelp]

bro gets salty and starts name calling in every thread lol

[halcyon steeple]

You're all salty in here

[hybrid fjord]

Who, you?

[tight kelp]

when lol

time for Boghadir to take his meds I think 🤭

[remote aspen]

Make a no archer mode then all the screaming will be over.

[hybrid fjord]

Pot kettle black buddy.

[hybrid fjord]

While you're at it uncouple the consoles from the PC server.

[vocal shell]

for what reason? this game has skill gaps so big players can be on 40 scoreboard ping and geforce now and still shit on comp players much less just use a somewhat worse input device in public lobbies

@minor ore what was your worst setup as the geforce now guy? 😂

[minor ore]

my setup was on my microsoft surface in the basement of the history department building at 2am using a professor's desk lol

using geforce now

[vocal shell]

oh man that's a 60Hz panel

the surface also had a 4:3 aspect ratio right?

so you were shitting on people on a 60Hz panel on geforce now on 4:3(reduced horizontal fov) 😂

[hybrid fjord]

Crossbow should get a wooden/composite horn prod skin to match the pre 13th-14th century skins.

[lone crystal]

Do it, you won’t

[hybrid fjord]

Do it just because it would be funny.

[jolly python]

Archers win

[burnt raptor]

Oh the bravery of being out of range

[tight kelp]

okay buddy 😭

[static finch]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-hug-bff-best-friend-friend-gif-15101769

[hybrid fjord]

The unfortunate part of playing a ranged support class that doesn't have good sidearms and paper defense is most of the archers aren't going to pull a Mamluk and go up to shoot you in the face.

[hybrid fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/reasonsimbroke-kramer-cosmo-kramer-seinfeld-tbs-gif-24733557

[hybrid fjord]

Look if we're gonna have a real discussion of the issues, TB first needs to fix the hit registry for melee and ranged before we talk about the damage allocation.

[tight kelp]

ion really care that much, only real issue I have is how ppl can sit in unreachable areas and shoot you

like on darkforest you should be able to climb the wall and take out archers or something

as it is, you need to either play archer or use the wall boost exploit to get up there

[hybrid fjord]

That's unfortunately what happens when you simulate sieges improperly. The archers should be on a wall, but the objective is to just impractically destroy a gate that isn't that well protected.

[vocal shell]

setting up the wall boost also just gets you killed since it takes like 10 seconds not including travel time to the point where you're setting up the trick

there's a basically 0% chance you aren't dead to a spawn wave, and I believe the wall is a desertion zone for offense anyway on the gate

the other way in is turning around the agathian catapult as offense

full charge, including the notch past full bar

[hybrid fjord]

I tend to ignore the archers on the wall (they're rarely on there unless it's a ballista for me) and focus defending or loading the catapults.

But I hate Dark Forest in general because the Agathian defense is a clusterfuck until you get to the Duke, then it becomes a clutch tunnel.

[burnt raptor]

You not support you annoying

[hybrid fjord]

You're partially correct, I am support and I'm a nuisance who occasionally tops scoreboards with crossbowman.

[burnt raptor]

Im all correct

[solemn thorn]

why has this happened a 3rd time

[hybrid fjord]

Boredom prolly

I'd personally make a knights only, all weapons minus ranged available mode.

[minor ore]

cleared the foyer and preparing to face horde
get surprise flanked and one shot because of archer (I am the tank class)
this happens all the time
buzzkill

why I hate archers

[hybrid fjord]

That sucks but that's better than getting one shot by a weapon when no one is near you and you have more than enough health. At least you got hit as you were switching weapons so that's why you got 2 tapped and the domeshot finished you.

[minor ore]

idk, what u said but it sounded like exactly what I just experienced

[hybrid fjord]

I was gonna make a report about it because it's getting weird again.

Last one I got was as my archer, only one guy in range of me, his executioner axe goes through me for no damage then his next one one shots me.

[jolly python]

lol

[remote aspen]

Crossbow qhould play bf or pubg. Oh well, they already are in pubg.
Do you see melee players in pubg?
No
Get rid of this shitty class.

[remote aspen]

It happens regularly now everyday. Slice through guys with no damages. When it does it in 1vsX it's instant death.

[harsh lake]

https://tenor.com/view/scpf-secure-contain-protect-logo-gif-13976192

[jolly python]

Guns are superior to melee

[burnt raptor]

Yea go play cod sissy bois

[tiny vessel]

I think playing the medieval game that inspired other developers to make medieval PVP games is worthwhile if you're gonna act like this around Chiv2 archers

[hybrid fjord]

Warband/war of the roses?

[tiny vessel]

War of the Roses was directly derived from M&B combat, so the former

[jolly python]

👎🇨🇳

[hybrid fjord]

I should redownload warband. Maybe still peopld on xbox I can plink.

[tiny vessel]

P sure most are on Steam. If you go on the NeoGK TDM server on Sundays, you can see why I think that Chiv2 archers are anything but overpowered

[hybrid fjord]

I can believe it but aiming on console is ass.

[jolly python]

No more Warband.

[hybrid fjord]

Bandwar

[halcyon steeple]

War banned? Why, what happened?

[hybrid fjord]

It's not fun anymore

[tiny vessel]

Having perspective in other medieval PVP games is pretty helpful when looking at Chiv2's archer balance, and people don't spam archers nearly enough in Bannerlord* for me to say "play Bannerlord" when people complain about archers.

*archer spam in M&B2 is just as OP as it is in M&B1 tho. In fact, a particularly sour match in Bannerlord was what got me to buy Chiv2

[jolly python]

How archer players envision themselves:

[lone crystal]

Yeah but we’re not as organized, we usually off somewhere doing our own thing

[tiny vessel]

I still like the idea of archers being skinny nerds despite how impossible that'd be IRL. I want Mason and Tenosian Squire Boy to be a thing

[hybrid fjord]

Fuck that

[tiny vessel]

But don't you wanna hear "cowardly whimper UUUAAAAAAAAHHHH!!!! Hahaha..." from a battlecrying Mason Archer?

[jolly python]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/780338071412408340/1135779743824875530/1B05C307-EBCE-48C0-90F2-DA3180C40AD3.gif

[hybrid fjord]

No, I play snobby noble.

[tiny vessel]

I personally use Sellsword just cuz of that "Ouchiiieeee :(" whenever he bandages himself

[jolly python]

Archers win

[steel osprey]

Thats one short cat

[lone crystal]

He got them stubby legs

[hybrid fjord]

He adorablw

Warband has exactly 0 people online. Guess I'll need to play Bannerlord

[tiny vessel]

P sure nobody's on at this hour. Even during "peak" hours, there's at most 30 or so people on, and they think it's somehow fair for them to bully wimpy units with much stronger picks

[hybrid fjord]

It's on xbox so I don't expect anyone to play.

[hybrid fjord]

Archers win

[tight kelp]

fake news

[hybrid fjord]

Lies and slander

[marsh dove]

Archers don't bother me all that much. I personally don't see the appeal of playing an archer in a medieval slasher, but to each their own.

What does piss me off is allied archers apparently being extremely far-sighted, since they seem to ignore downed teammates instead of helping them up

[sharp patio]

probably a byproduct of playing in first person

[jolly python]

What if I told you that your take is perhaps the most reasonable yet

The real issue is allied archers

[marsh stirrup]

I mean they aren't wrong but the archers who ignore downed teammates are the people who are NEW to the game and instantly gravitate towards archer

[jolly python]

Also very true

That's not just true with this game, in any game most new players try the "sniper" or "ranged" class

[marsh stirrup]

That's why I'd just suggest a level cap on Archer, about level 10-15. Not because I hate archer but most of these new players prove useless and don't genuinely learn much or even try playing the game.

[jolly python]

I don't think that would solve much, as new players will do new player things even on the other classes

[sharp patio]

well they can learn a lot more effectively on the other classes playing "normally" than as archer

[marsh stirrup]

This point right here, but also I've said this once but TB needs to make a newer tutorial or add hints with a voice so they know what they're doing.

[harsh lake]

Thats mostly due to first person aspect as they are zooming in and they dont see anything but what they aiming at. Its pretty much Tunnel Vision.

[hybrid fjord]

I've watched half a team run past me before.

Usually I just start using the downed voice commands and punch them until someone notices.

[marble egret]

Idk why other archers don't pick people up I'm usually advancing just to revive people whoa re getting ignored. I've more often seen vanguards rush up and kill somebody I was reviving tbh

Though maybe I just have bad luck with my teams vanguards

[halcyon steeple]

Archers sin

[steel osprey]

Archers win

[steel osprey]

ooh a pet

[lone crystal]

Tf, is the spicy chicken cult invading this thread?

[sharp patio]

Archer's Folly: a tale of betrayal and incompetence

[hybrid fjord]

Or pub matches

[tiny vessel]

TBF, giving archers a Falchion standing special and a spicy chicken jab makes for good entertainment

[white flicker]

Game is gonna die with 2 crossbows and 0 Flails

[sharp patio]

devilish

[burnt raptor]

Fear his butt wings

[vivid lily]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/564612267627511820/1152037414618021928/Cleric_lowkey_goes_hard.mp4

[hybrid fjord]

I forgot this topic existed.

Archers win again.

[steel osprey]

Yea

[jolly python]

Yeah it’s not funny anymore without Keeper

[static finch]

Keeper? I barley know her

[hybrid fjord]

He's someones alt

[minor ore]

Archers are anti fun change my mind

[halcyon steeple]

I have fun playing archer, therefore they are pro-fun

[minor ore]

Fun for me not for thee

[halcyon steeple]

It's not fun to be shot, but is it fun to cut down a line of scrub archers? Hell ya

[minor ore]

That’s like saying it’s ok if someone kills ur dog because getting revenge will be fun

[tiny vessel]

I'd argue that Highland Sword is even more anti-fun. At least you can give archers a standing special attack to their spine

[vast fable]

I like playing crossbowman

[hybrid fjord]

Ayy

[steel osprey]

Archers are essential for noobs to farm and vanguards to thrive

[timber gate]

Hate is a strong word but archers have that label, like just the guys who youse bows like dawg stop shooting my ass whyle I'm 1v1in a mofo

[vast fable]

Played a lot the last week or so, about a third of that time on crossbowman and the rest on poleman helpin’ my team. And I have a few thoughts on archers.

Basically, I think the entire archer class is fine. The skirmisher kinda blows but I don’t think that’s why people are posting here. Playing as a crossbowman I felt incredibly vulnerable since most enemies could one or two shot me, and if my positioning was bad I got picked off quick. Though I found this fun, as I had to be very aware of my positioning and surroundings so I could harass from a distance while keeping my team up with my banner. This is why I don’t much like the longbowman since it’s less support oriented but it’s damage output is higher so it seems like a fair trade off. Playing crossbowman I did significantly worse than playing poleman, maybe a third of the kills, similar leaderboard placements though due to banner use and objective sitting.

Then, on poleman, I kept a closer eye on archers. I found I got killed every once in a while, basically always when I was out of position and not paying attention to the horizon. When I set my sights on a bowman I basically never lost. Parrying arrows is a little finicky but it works, and like I said earlier they get two shot. Occasionally I would find a really good longbowman who would kill me when I was in groups and low on health. Again just like the downsides when playing crossbowman I found this fun, as I had to readjust to avoid being in the open, and carefully retreating when low on health. Oh and I saw almost no crossbowmen. Not sure why 🤷‍♂️

All in all, I think arrow-y guys are a lovely place balance wise. They are a lovely challenge to play and a lovely challenge to play against. No issues really. If there’s one takeaway it’s that people need to be more aware of their positioning, it’ll not only keep you away from archer-fire, but it’ll keep you and your team on track to complete objectives.

And Skirmishers SUUUUUUUCK. I died once in a blue moon to one and whoever was playing them switched off or left during the game 100% of the time. They need a major overhaul.

[hybrid fjord]

Archers need better fashion

[timber gate]

fax

[hybrid fjord]

I'd like to be able to switch the spike trap and pavise out for beartraps.

[steel osprey]

I'd like spike traps to be replaced with singular stakes

[hybrid fjord]

Ability for engineers to dig trenches

[minor ore]

fun and engaging gameplay

[sharp patio]

(He forgot to counter the arrows)

[hybrid fjord]

https://youtu.be/UcqUf-2F_68?feature=shared

[marble egret]

BREAKING NEWS: Local Chivalry 2 Player Surprised 2 Arrows to the Head Kills Him

IN OTHER NEWS: All Keys Besides W Found Missing on Their Keyboard

[minor ore]

you are playing the wrong game

[hybrid fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/no-captain-america-nope-i-dont-think-so-gif-18373839

[hybrid fjord]

You can do it, I believe in you.

[minor ore]

https://tenor.com/view/mustard-ketchup-hotdog-gif-12866307

[hybrid fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/steak-grill-grilling-delicious-yummy-gif-17847224

[minor ore]

https://tenor.com/view/rule-rules-rule6-discord-vent-gif-23700142

[hybrid fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/lagosta-lagosta-hub-no-refunds-butter-dog-cute-gif-21722634

[harsh lake]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-gif-21124195

[minor ore]

https://tenor.com/view/trump-donald-trump-unemployment-job-get-a-job-gif-16331442

[harsh lake]

https://tenor.com/view/papa-palpatine-star-wars-star-wars-papa-palpatine-go-for-papa-palpatine-star-wars-go-for-papa-palpatine-gif-26108023

[minor ore]

https://tenor.com/view/gay-sex-archer-got-dick-gif-5281399

[harsh lake]

https://tenor.com/view/starwars-gif-24406613

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-meme-its-an-older-meme-but-it-checks-out-gif-14147822

[hybrid fjord]

Oh hey @harsh lake

Glad to see you're alive

[minor ore]

https://tenor.com/view/dart-vader-force-choke-in-camera-gif-19977669

[vocal shell]

just counter the one bow that has no tells on when it's going to fire idiot

[hybrid fjord]

I thought AC6 adding warning indicators for heavy weapons was hilarious

[harsh lake]

https://tenor.com/view/order66-we-do-a-little-trolling-gif-23322614

[harsh lake]

Been alive just watching Chiv 2 go down da drain lol

[tiny vessel]

Mount&Blade Player: Hold my be-- immediately dies because he forgot that archers aren't OP in this game

[jolly python]

We are so back

[tiny vessel]

Actually, does Volley gameplay count towards that objective?

Better yet, does Brawl? Cuz everyone in a brawl game is effectively an archer

[tiny vessel]

I still think we need this for our Longbowmen crossbowmen cuz i just realized how useless the brazier would be with environmental objects

[jolly python]

Bajoran workers, your attention please. Your attempt to seize control of this facility is going to fail. You are valuable workers and we wish you no harm. However, if you do not return control of this unit to your Cardassian supervisors, we will be forced to take action. You have eight minutes to make your decision.

[sharp patio]

actually i think a special where you temporarily get an upgraded weapon would be cool

[tiny vessel]

Good luck lighting small rocks on fire. Or horse poop. Or severed heads. Or stale bread

[minor ore]

need I say more?

[jolly python]

Lol

Skill issue bro

[hybrid fjord]

But did you die

[toxic token]

blow this piece of junk off the game feedback

[harsh lake]

Dumb example lol

[steel osprey]

as an archer I can agree that it takes dozens of arrows to kill enemy players sometimes and it's tearjerking

[timber gate]

This goes here

[hybrid fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/arrows-invisible-disappear-jet-li-hero-gif-15324333

[burnt raptor]

Bet this took forever to clean up

[hybrid fjord]

They have plenty of people

[lone crystal]

Are archers still winning?

[halcyon steeple]

We are all losing

With the current rate of development

15s slowmode in here still lmao reminds me of the good ol days

[hybrid fjord]

Real

[steel osprey]

Once I get my hand on the Siege crossbow, I'll be sorted

[hybrid fjord]

I've reached my goal of level 200 crossbow

[solemn thorn]

update delayed specifically to spite archers and guardians

[hybrid fjord]

Two greatest enemies should unite

[steel osprey]

I wonder if they're gonna nerf bow/Xbow melee damage

[wispy granite]

🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓

[hybrid fjord]

🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡

[wispy granite]

No u

[wispy granite]

🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓

[hybrid fjord]

No u

[wispy granite]

I’ve reached my goal! 🤓🤓🤓🤓 level 200 guys!!!!

[hybrid fjord]

🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡

[radiant igloo]

When I get shot when about to do the killing blow.
When they shoot other archers.
Crossbow as you need headshots to be effective. Javelin was more fun when it could stun.
Archer with warbow. Hits hard no matter where you hit.
Good

[lime vortex]

What grieves you about archer?
That they can shoot out of the enemy desertion zone.

What overjoys you about archer?
There are some cool ones i recognise who do shenanigans with me. Ah and killing the good ones, who can fight back.

What is your least favorite archer subclass?
Hate the warbow headshot dmg is just bonkers.

What is your favorite archer subclass?
None

How are you today?
Anxious about the semester start. But fine in general.

[timber gate]

make me sickLOL

[timber gate]

1 its an archer on the front fuckin line always. 2 the fact they are 2 hit kill most of the time. 3 normal bow id rather get hit 2 good solid times with a war bow then look like a poorkypine with errows stickin out me and then die to a lv 10 bec i had 10 hp. 4 none. 5 feelin A Number 1 as always!!!!

[minor ore]

You know what. I think that ftp being broken has made me hate archers even more. This is because broken ftp makes me lose health more than I’d like to —> TO is all about maintaining health (especially as knight b/c ur useless without health) —> archers take away the little health that I have —> hate for archers intensifies.

Fuckin walk all the way to the health box, patch my self up, walk out, get domed, 360 spin back to health box.

[harsh lake]

Game in general is broken and thats the more annoying part

[burnt raptor]

Both sides against archers. Nice to see

[kindred peak]

https://tenor.com/view/boromir-sacrifice-lotr-brothers-lord-of-the-rings-gif-5353305

[minor ore]

needcarrypls is the single lamest player on the game
lvl 1000 archer who doesn't know how to play the game
imagine putting in that many hours and being unable to engage in melee combat

[vocal shell]

better served by playing a real shooter game

[hybrid fjord]

He sounds familiar

[sharp patio]

that sounds like a caricature of a player

[radiant igloo]

https://tenor.com/view/shame-game-of-thrones-gif-11381550

I am level 600 archer and if you attack me in melee alone you going to get jabbed and hatchet to face.

[hybrid fjord]

I will axe and cudgel a motherfucker

[radiant igloo]

Try the hatchet and overhead spam it is crazy easy.

[hybrid fjord]

I main crossbowman we get no hatchet

[radiant igloo]

Do you get a lot of headshots?

Be honest

[hybrid fjord]

Lol not really

[radiant igloo]

Might be time to switch to warbow buddy.

[hybrid fjord]

Never

[radiant igloo]

lol why?

[hybrid fjord]

Because

[radiant igloo]

https://tenor.com/view/lord-of-the-rings-legolas-archery-arrow-sexy-gif-5749094

[harsh lake]

I think a real god wouldnt have such trouble with such primitive weapons 🤔 🤣

[hybrid fjord]

Clearly fake, they're not hitting their own teammates with arrows.

[tawdry zealot]

I was watching an old Chivarly video, and these cosmetics came out, does anyone have them or are they just for the event of the year?

[steel osprey]

Not to be mean but why are you constantly out of position in these shots?

[harsh lake]

Thats every video they post

[sharp patio]

and here we cut to sun god, 50 meters in the enemy backline and surrounded by at least 10 soldiers

it's almost like being within the enemy lines makes archers target you

[harsh lake]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-han-solo-shrug-what-can-i-say-badass-gif-17527781

[vocal shell]

it's not possible to reach archers and be in position. That's one of the problems with archers.

Other than that, sun god is good enough in melee that for the most part he can walk through enemy lines and exit from the back through their center.

First clip he's obviously just stuck because the objective rolled over and he was where he was supposed to be.
Second clip he was actually overextended.
Third clip he made the mistake of peeking around a corner and being visible to archers who were only almost in melee range.
Fourth clip, this is just the only way to actually reach an archer player. That's about as good of a dive as you get in 64p. He's lucky he only had one guy with a war club on him instead of half a spawn wave.
Fifth clip, the same but with worse luck.
Sixth clip was the start of the hamlet, probably just got sprint lost on the way over and ended up surrounded-ish, but he was in a position he'd have been able to retreat from if he didn't die to something that completely ignored his defensive mechanics.

[harsh lake]

Shield provide best defensive mechanics

[vocal shell]

up until you're forced to swing and the shield goes wider than jen

for the most part these positions are only unmanageable if someone can do damage disregarding defensives entirely, and based on the length of the fights before the fun police arrived(other than the second clip where he got straight up clapped) he was doing exactly that

[harsh lake]

Jab

[vocal shell]

are you running up to the archer with your shield out and getting close enough to jab before they just run away into a spawn wave or pull out a weapon and start riposting? that sounds like a dogshit archer player or you're in ffa

I've tried archer hunting on a few different weapons and it does always come down to the highland sword or the 1h sword and the highland sword has overall done me better

[harsh lake]

I dont use shield, i just bash them Maul tbh. Only use shield when i use 1 handed spear to be goofy lol

[vocal shell]

it's literally better to just take the damage and go for the heavy overhead and hope they don't headshot you because you're more likely to kill the archer in that case

because for some reason archers are allowed to use the maa dodge with their bow out and have access to the 1h offhand jab with bow

the one that is blatantly too good and is one of the biggest problems with the melee combat

[harsh lake]

They need that for crossbow

[vocal shell]

crossbow players can just hide behind a wall and jump shot in third person anyway why would they ever be under melee threat. You also get access to the 1h axe on crossbowman which will be more reliable if next update ever releases and they fix its tracers

that's what I did my "win an ffa as melee archer" challenge on for internal ranks in pax lol

[harsh lake]

When they get pushed by the attacking team then they can be under melee threat or those bold men like myself who go after them for free kills 😉

[vocal shell]

the latter is an awareness issue for the archer, as with third person there's no reason they should ever be getting flanked(third person is also better for archer once you get used to the slight offset between where the arrow goes and the crosshair) and in the former case that's also an awareness issue because the archer always has the best possible opportunity to disengage lost fights.
Both only apply if the archer has potato level game sense, basically

thankfully most archer players are illiterate console gamers who have the game intelligence of a bot generating literally random inputs so they're only annoying.

and ffa makes the archers more vulnerable which is what you play more, so it also applies more there just because of how the spawns work

[harsh lake]

Even in third person its ez to be flanked. Unless your willing to chill very far away with a crossbow to deal with big bolt drop that aint guaranteeing you hits then you shouldnt be flanked easily

[vocal shell]

crossbow players who are just 2-3 spear ranges away are already not easily flanked, especially if they're taking some form of moderate height and have awareness of the paths leading to the flanks. A flank is best handled before it even has the opportunity to happen.

[harsh lake]

There is probably only 2 maps that have 1 specific spot on the map where they cant be easily flanked. Your telling me that most maps are unflankable? lol

[vocal shell]

if someone is walking a committal distance along those paths it's too easy to see the flank in advance. Even on Rudhelm's streets which have some of the best flanks setups in the game it's too easy to keep an eye on the exits to the "flanks" in most of the "stopping points" for ramps

[vocal shell]

just because I can drop 40-50+ kill games playing archer hunter doesn't mean it's easy to hunt archers or that flanking is necessarily particularly reliable.

you're basically just relying on that no good players are in the lobby who want to intercept your flanks

[harsh lake]

Even good players get flanked

[vocal shell]

that's generally in committed melee fights where it's too dangerous to disengage

[lime vortex]

another archer thread hijacked by AHHHHH 😄

[vocal shell]

archers have no commit and it's objectively poor to commit locationally as archer

[harsh lake]

I dont hijack anything lol

[vocal shell]

locational commit is bad not just because it makes you flankable, but because it makes you counter-archerable

standard sniper tactics, variate your sightlines and know who can reach them

[harsh lake]

So your saying only committed fights they get flanked

[vocal shell]

in most cases yes. I'm not saying I've never flanked good players in a comp TO lobby before, but it's generally less effective than simply taking a larger mass into the main fight and giving people chances to slip past the edge of the lines instead of doing a "flank"

there's a difference between "abusing defensive mechanics to end up behind backs" and "flanking", and the former is broadly much much more effective

the whole reason "flanking" works is enough players are attention-committed due to threats that they can't easily turn away from that the remaining non-committed players can't stop you from doing things to those who are attention-committed

[harsh lake]

So then the argument stating im just relying on no good players to flank is flawed lol

[vocal shell]

sort of. I've hit more backs by heavy riposting through the left or right third of a teamfight than I ever have by actually running behind players in comp TO. It's more collapse than flank.

LTS is closer to flanking, but for the most part everyone knows where you are there anyway and you're just doing something they can't stop

the kind of "flanking" that lets you kill an archer player is far more committal and requires much wider deep flanking

to kill an archer you're flanking deep enough that you aren't just pushing through a fight to hit backs, you're, in essence, diving spawn wave territory.

[harsh lake]

I usually push through fights and spawn waves to hit archers easily

[vocal shell]

so do I in pub TO. I'm sure you also accidentally end up killing like half of the spawn wave and the other half leaves you alone after if you get lucky and all the noobs spawn together.

assuming active parry was behaving during that dive lol. Sometimes you just get hit and look like a noob and die

[harsh lake]

Not really just kind of ran through them just countering here and there

[vocal shell]

my favorite thing to do while archer hunting and why the archer hunting actually benefits the team is when I just do counter groundhit and maintain full sprint while just heavy overheading the archers with hls as 5+ people chase me for like 30+ seconds

[harsh lake]

I like to throw shit at them while running at them so they cant do anything too lol