Archer Changes by actual Archer main.

[grim dawn]

its fucking pathetic

[wheat sentinel]

I don’t have you blocked

Or him that is why you can emote my comments

[white venture]

Parents should discipline their children before it's too late.

[honest jetty]

"im the victim"
-guy who think thats time played = ability to understand the game enough to make balance suggestions

[wheat sentinel]

Again offer something on topic you are 0/3

[pastel mantle]

he just can’t comprehend that people have different opinions and he’s must definitely not always right

[white venture]

Why? So you can go "no youre wrong and bad and an idiot"?

[wheat sentinel]

0/4

[honest jetty]

offer a logical change to archer

right now youre 0/15..

[wheat sentinel]

K

[white venture]

Theres no reason for me to have a deep discussion with you because you have no intent to have a discussion, despite your asking for it.

[wheat sentinel]

0/5

[white venture]

I've talked to you in this discord for a year now, you have absolutely no intention of ever discussing anything with anyone. You need help.

[honest jetty]

getting a deep discussion out of keeper that is actually going to result in something, its like trying to get milk from a bull

all thats going to happen is someone is going to get pissed off

[wheat sentinel]

0/6,

[honest jetty]

dude is actually trying to help you... but instead youre too focused on saving your own ego.

[wheat sentinel]

K

When you are all done trying to attack me you can get to the topic, or don’t and get your personal insults out.

[honest jetty]

i'll take that as a sign of "i accept that i have lost and am just replying in order to stay in the coversation"

[honest jetty]

but you do the exact same thing... constantly

why would you need to have my profile in order to attack the points i make?.. hmm???

[wheat sentinel]

So just more attacks got it

[honest jetty]

pointing out the truth=attack

[wheat sentinel]

Lol ok

[honest jetty]

you asked for my profile several times, because i was making points that you couldnt debate against

so you chose to admit defeat by attempting to find something that you could use to devalue what i was saying.

[long nexus]

guys stop pointing out things keeper does, it's a personal attack

[wheat sentinel]

I explained why bud. You are forgetting that.

[honest jetty]

its the same scummy, pitiful excuse for making yourself look better that politicians use in order to get themselves higher than their opponents

[wheat sentinel]

Lol just leave if you don’t want to meet the baseline to continue.

This thread is a volunteer basis and you have me blocked so you choose to engage.

[white venture]

I think being on discord is bad for your mental health.

[wheat sentinel]

0/7

[white venture]

Case and point. Keep counting.

Come on, wheres 0/8?

[wheat sentinel]

How is that case in point? You are insulting me and with your history? Sheeesh

[white venture]

Or I guess we are 0/10 now with this message

[tawny raven]

This is now a how high can Keeper count thread 😎

[honest jetty]

again, im here to make sure youre not spreading misinformation

hence why ive been so active in this thread

[wheat sentinel]

He can probably get the personal insults way up before he gets dealt with

[white venture]

I think the best part is how easy it is. I said "keep counting" and he instantly stops.

[wheat sentinel]

See previous comment

[white venture]

He's so desperate to not let anyone have a W that he will shoot himself in the foot and then make fun of you for it.

[honest jetty]

re-read my comment

[wheat sentinel]

Are you ok man? Do you need help?

[pastel mantle]

keeper needs links and guides or he’s lost sadly

[wheat sentinel]

2 people begging a person they have blocked for attention is sad, go have fun and enjoy life. Stop trying to attack me with toothless insults and failed psycho babble.

[white venture]

"theyre begging me for attention"
💀

He doesn't know.

He thinks he knows and he doesn't know.

[wheat sentinel]

What are you doing? You have me blocked and spamming my thread? Trying to insult me

[honest jetty]

and 1 person begging for attention from the devs and entire community because youre not very good at the class you play...?

[wheat sentinel]

Ya that’s it

[honest jetty]

im glad you agree. because that one person... is YOU

[wheat sentinel]

If you say so man

[plush scroll]

I think they should add wind like in golf games

[wheat sentinel]

That would be fun

[white venture]

This is embarrassing. Congratulations Keeper, I'm leaving, have fun being a laughing stock.

[wheat sentinel]

Bye bud god bless

[honest jetty]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKreqL3SqhM

6:26-6:37 (and it was a knight, sorry i mispoke earlier, the weapon made me think it was a footman)

10:15-10:32

both are core examples, that you have issue in melee combat, therefore you think archer needs to be buffed, because you cannot offset the innate weakness of the class with personal skill

[wheat sentinel]

Thanks man, I will take your suggestions into consideration.

You want to do some other games? It’s always neat to hear from other players who don’t play Archer on the gameplay.

[honest jetty]

how about this. we'll setup a call and i'll coach you

[wheat sentinel]

I’m not really into coaching from players who don’t share gameplay or do you live the coaching slogan “those who can’t do coach”?

[honest jetty]

it'll be much more direct advice, as i'd be able to explain in real time

[wheat sentinel]

You sub to that channel and when I stream public again you feel free to offer all the non-archer advice you can. Maybe some will be helpful.

I tell you what , I will even listen to your Archer advice

[honest jetty]

"those who cant do coach"... is English your first language?

ive coach in tf2.. csgo (pretty well retired)... and a VR game called "onward" (look it up, its a really great shooter)

ive coached a lot of player that are mechanically a lot better than i am. i have nerve damage in the left side of my body, so mechanics arent exactly my strong suit

now.. why would a player that could aim better than i do.. come to me for coaching, i typing feverishly.

its because im able to take things from an analytical view, telling them how to improve, without changing their preferred playtyle.. and gain new knowledge they didnt have prior

i do this though experience, the ability to convey the information in a way they will understand, and keep things light-hearted so they understand that everyone is always learning.

yes, i coach because my skillset is different than the average players

now, lets look at you, a 31% accuracy isnt exactly "mechanically godlike"..

and out of the few melee fights you were part of, you lost the only 1v1, and NEARLY lost the 2nd before your teammate saved you

i can give you A LOT of tips on how to not even end up in those situations, let alone thrive in them.

also.. you keep claiming that im not an archer main...

because you cant handle the fact that someone might understand the game better than you without devoting their entire life to it..

but you know what the funny things is... even the ACTUAL non-archer players in this thread are able to point out the flaws in what youre requesting to change..

[wheat sentinel]

Typos happen man, calm down.

Like I said send some gameplay and we can talk. If you want to try to “coach” I told you how.

So far you have shown yourself to be pretty ignorant to the Archer class overall and wildly hesitant to share your info. Both red flags.

[honest jetty]

im not going to be your 30th sub.. ask for a pity sub from someone else.

so.. if youre a 500+ archer.. what level is everything else?

i feel like youve only gotten to see 1 side of this interaction. and youre trying to speak on both's half.. with an extreme bias

[wheat sentinel]

Again not sharing more info from a person scared to show any of his

[honest jetty]

but im not the one making false claims...

so.. whats the point?

im saying that you spend more time on archer, than you do on a melee class getting SHOT by archers

also, if youre as skilled as you say you are... why dont you play competitively?

[wheat sentinel]

Again if you want to continue share your info or go back to blocking me and being irrelevant

[honest jetty]

wow, we went past deflecting the question. and went straight to running away from it.

[honest jetty]

this is a relevant question though

if you are as good as you think you are. why do you not play competitively against other players of your "skill" level?

personally, i feel its because youre scared that you'd get a reality check and your ego would have to take a hit.

[wheat sentinel]

Still no info? Tag me when you man up

[honest jetty]

@wheat sentinel why are you dodging the question so much? scared to answer?

man up and just answer... its simple

youre being a hypocrite AND deflecting at the same time. thats honestly impressive.

[grim dawn]

mental illness is what it is

[violet yew]

shocked none of these threads had been closed yet as you guys are doing this in 5 different threads all the same bickering about 1 class lol.

[slim thicket]

These mods don't anything not even sure why they are mods. I had post about archers before these post but I had the mods lock it because these toxic users kept insulting others.

[violet yew]

This is why i stopped replying to these type of threads about archers. Its completely Biased and if you aint agreeing with someone your completely wrong lol. Its getting to the point where they are even saying now " Its main archers that are trolls " " Its anti archer that are trolls " Its both lol. Its the same people too which is crazy and the mods should just get rid of them.

Also this is happening through multiple archer threads too and mods are just letting it happen lol.

[slim thicket]

Mod dont do anything in this server they play favoritism with their user friends. If you try to report any user for breaking the rules the mods come up with a lame solution to "block" when it doesnt even work.

[violet yew]

Yeah they gave me the same excuse with the other thread and one of the mods even witnessed the toxicity happening but he did nothing about it.

[slim thicket]

Yeah but if you defend yourself against toxic players insulting you get punished for it.

[violet yew]

I actually even muted them too but i still got in trouble cause i asked them " If im wasting my time let me know " wasnt " Topic related and trolly " lol

[violet yew]

best way to get mod attention now is just to ping all the mods in the threads lol then something happens

[slim thicket]

Well the mods revoked my access to message chivmail now because I called them out on the favoritism towards their toxic friends. Not trying that lol with these bias mods.

[violet yew]

lol

[white venture]

Bro theres literally archers arguing with archers.

Maybe it's less about "theyre an archer player" and more about trying to have discussions with unreasonable people, especially people who cant admit to being wrong even when presented with evidence of being wrong. Or some people presenting evidence that doesn't actually prove anything. Like if I wanted to say archer was too strong and uploaded a clip of an archer with a knife spamming slash at me and I die, that doesn't prove anything. A lot of the "evidence" people use is weak at best, irrelevant or contradictory at worst.

[violet yew]

You realize your part of the issue too right?

[white venture]

I don't think so. I try to be pretty reasonable to everyone but lets go into your case, for example. You used evidence that doesn't prove anything, reasoning that didn't really make much sense, and when you were proven wrong you really avoided that at all costs and started to deflect questions.

[wheat sentinel]

Calls people unreasonable

Does nothing but personally insult people in a thread of a person he has blocked

Peak Lol

[white venture]

I don't think you're too unreasonable but it's still difficult to have discussions with you.

[violet yew]

You insult people really?

Like why you gonna lie about it?

[white venture]

I tend to insult people that I don't respect. I never said I don't.

[violet yew]

Then your the issue as well

[wheat sentinel]

Always has been

[violet yew]

ty for pointing that out

[nimble viper]

Demanding to see people’s lvls should be the issue

[white venture]

I don't think that's fair. I treated you with respect and treated your opinions very honestly up until you couldn't hold an argument, then I began to lose respect for your arguments because of it. You did a lot of deflecting and a lot of avoiding.

[violet yew]

Answering 2 people at once when asked different questions is considered dodging?

Then you proceed to insult cause i decided to start answering another persons question?

Thanks for pointing that out too

[white venture]

No, you were asked a question and gave a bad answer and when you were asked to followup, you swapped topics and tried to insult me and sidestep the question.

[white venture]

You're being quite a baby right now, if I'm honest.

Maybe this is why I don't respect what you have to say.

[violet yew]

But then you expect people to respect you back for what you say?

[white venture]

If you want to have a conversation like an adult, try acting like an adult. I wouldn't insult you if you acted like an adult.

I'm willing to show you some respect starting right now, provided you start acting like you deserve said respect. Up to you.

We can drag this out or we can try once more.

[violet yew]

This is why i stopped replying cause you cant handle criticism and when its not going your way the insults begin which is why i stated your the issue

[white venture]

I guess you aren't interested.

[violet yew]

There isnt any talking to you cause again if they disagree you insult and become a child thanks for showing it here as well.

[nimble viper]

If they were interested they wouldn’t be crying about the people crying about the game

[wheat sentinel]

You have to understand this is all he has and why he is so combative to people.

Just be nice it’s not worth the worry of what your words will do.

[violet yew]

Thats why i stopped bothering and let you guys argue between yourselves.

[wheat sentinel]

I stopped arguing with him a long time ago when I seen how much time he has invested in this game. Now I just try to deflect his insults and be nice to him.

It’s best for everyone if that is what you do.

[white venture]

If you say so. Someone like you not wanting to have a discussion with me is absolutely no loss to me, because your opinions, your ideas and your reasoning skills are awful.

[wheat sentinel]

See

[violet yew]

Well funny thing is too a mod even said the samething i said in the other thread that he thought was no argument and yet he didnt insult him. Why? Cause he a mod and he knew he get thrown in timeout if he did lol

[white venture]

Infact, it's likely these reasons that you act the way you do, blaming me for calling you out on your bullshit and then throwing a tantrum, then crying about how I insulted you when I bring that up.

[wheat sentinel]

Yup, he is quick to report people to defend him because he plays with all the mods since he has 6,000+ hours in the game.

It’s best to let him pretend his words mean something until he gets disinterested like a puppy and wanders off.

[white venture]

Ahah, if you say so. You'd believe anything you'd want to.

🍿 🍷

[wheat sentinel]

You are right man, as always.

[white venture]

Certainly more right than you are.

And in this case, yes, I am right.

[wheat sentinel]

100% man you are killing it

[nimble viper]

What could go wrong the playerbase sticks around this time?

[white venture]

I guess killing it is better than killing the game, which you seem to want to do.

[nimble viper]

Eventually people gonna go back to chiv 1

[wheat sentinel]

Totally good one ziggy , you are always so funny.

See that’s how it’s done. He loses his drive.

[violet yew]

Chiv 1 still got people playing

still fun

[pastel mantle]

what’s funny about this whole thing is that there is 17 nauseated faces on this thread

[wheat sentinel]

You know you can die in 1 hit from bows there?

[pastel mantle]

almost like the people don’t like these ideas

since i mean they are buffs

[wheat sentinel]

That is nice you all did the same emoji. A good change from the random ones.

[white venture]

You know Keeper, you always act like I'm some sort of villain, but yet, I have helped more people than you've ever even talked to. At what point will you stop blaming me and start looking at yourself as the issue?

[pastel mantle]

like your repeating cap emote

[wheat sentinel]

You are so right man. It’s always me, you are so smart.

[white venture]

I mean yeah, thats why no one likes you, dude.

[wheat sentinel]

Totally man

[white venture]

Yeah.

Yeah exactly.

[wheat sentinel]

I hope you feel better getting all these toothless insults and empty words out man.

[honest jetty]

to be fair, both of you dont like me... but at least ziggy can debate a point and not just default to "no youre wrong because im a higher level"

[nimble viper]

I think he’s talking to himself

[long nexus]

weird ass possum shit, rolling into a ball like a creature, doesn't even stand up for his himself

[dapper lodge]

so close to the good ending

[wheat sentinel]

I don’t dislike anyone, but I do pity some.

[white venture]

I don't feel anything insulting you because I don't feel joy of making others feel bad, I'm not a psycho.

[wheat sentinel]

He literally did that above lol

[wheat sentinel]

Cool man, so wise

[white venture]

Homeless guy looking at rich person in their house:
"I pity them..."

[wheat sentinel]

Good one! Killing it

[white venture]

Is this your new bit?

I guess I like it more than your old one.

Keep it up.

[wheat sentinel]

Why are you here if you have me blocked?

[white venture]

Oh no he gave up.

😔

[tawny raven]

He came back 💀

[nimble viper]

Keep this up he’s gonna demand to see lvls

[honest jetty]

if everyone has you blocked... why do you talk?

[wheat sentinel]

I’m amazed all these people are in this thread if they

have me blocked ✅

Don’t like archers ✅

[white venture]

Im level 1000 now so its impossible to be higher level than me. 😏

[tawny raven]

You have to be level 1000 in archer class

[white venture]

Darn.

[violet yew]

Well if someone has you blocked you dont know cause it still shows their messages but they cant see the person blocked unless they decide to actually click to view the messages

[sudden mango]

another day another archer thread

[wheat sentinel]

No I don’t have them blocked but I can tell when I go to emoji their comment and it doesn’t let you.

So they are actively going out of their way to comment here and unblock every comment

[long nexus]

he cant spam cap emojis on everyone to feel like a big boy

[wheat sentinel]

Nah just confused on why you press Block and then continue to talk to them. I guess it’s just love.

[pastel mantle]

that was supposed to be reply to kwazi but

[long nexus]

oof

[long nexus]

you're an archer main now buddy, it's too late, I'm sorry

[wheat sentinel]

It’s makes sense a melee main misses a comment to reply to

[pastel mantle]

Bruh don’t do me like that

[nimble viper]

Man you changed

Lmao

[pastel mantle]

fighting the good fight

[honest jetty]

youre a melee main now??

[pastel mantle]

there we go

[long nexus]

ty for the heads up. it makes it easier to switch your bullshit fountain off

[wheat sentinel]

Don’t you guys have a corner to go back to and talk about me?

[honest jetty]

dont you remember just earlier when he missed the message i posted and i litterally had to link it to him...?

[pastel mantle]

oh no the personal attacks are coming

i must cry

[wheat sentinel]

That’s called a joke bud, I guess you can’t see them coming either.

[pastel mantle]

i can’t tell when you’re serious with threads like this

lol

[honest jetty]

keeper admited to being a melee main . thats a win in my book

[wheat sentinel]

Hey I’m about to que for central if you guys want to get farmed and help me get my 8KD. See you there

[white venture]

Keeper: "i dont insult people, im a victim"
The keeper in question:

[wheat sentinel]

You not getting an obvious joke is pretty on point.

[pastel mantle]

stop deflecting

[white venture]

How can you make jokes if no one thinks you're funny?

[honest jetty]

because according to your own words, you dont like and everything you say it facts

[wheat sentinel]

Oh god here goes the “we speak for the majority” angle

[pastel mantle]

forgot that we are the vocal minority huh

[white venture]

Maybe you're just bad at jokes, you're pretty bad at everything you do except your tenacity and ego.

[wheat sentinel]

Dang good one

[white venture]

I know.

[wheat sentinel]

Remember if you have me blocked and spamming me, you just want attention.

[long nexus]

@white venture worm tactic. It's like he becomes a worm so you feel bad stepping on him

[white venture]

Prove it.

[wheat sentinel]

Anyone that comments after this just wants attention

[long nexus]

mememememe

[pastel mantle]

i got the last word

[honest jetty]

LOLOLOLOLOL

[white venture]

I guess I could use some attention, sure.

[long nexus]

it's schooyard rules now lads

[pastel mantle]

do you feel important yet?

[honest jetty]

alright, so we now have factual proof that keeper is just a troll who needs attention

[long nexus]

last one to the trebuchets like girls

ironically mispelling schoolyard. it's not lost on me

[honest jetty]

first person to type "1" is now the best archer

[long nexus]

1

YES, wait noooooo

[honest jetty]

congrats badger, youre now better than keeper!

[long nexus]

nooooo

[honest jetty]

to be fair.. he gave himself that title. so its like being the valedictorian of a class of one person...

[long nexus]

well you're wrong, so L + ratio kid

[honest jetty]

eh, just give it to the first archer you see land an arrow.

[long nexus]

but they can just counter it, it's so easy

no one lands arrows, they all get countered

[honest jetty]

badger, you werent here earlier.. i watched a video (one that keeper posted to his youtube, so he CHOSE to post it).... he missed 11/12 arrows

[pastel mantle]

“bring a shield or become a parry god”

[long nexus]

you can just predict the arrow before it's fired i don't know what the problem is

[pastel mantle]

nope your wrong

[honest jetty]

well if youre playing against a "good archer" like keeper... just walk in a straight line with your back to him.

[pastel mantle]

you are too

don’t bother i gotta game to watch noobs

[long nexus]

yes, good one guy

[pastel mantle]

i’ll be back with answers

[honest jetty]

lol tyn, you keep me entertained. great impression

[long nexus]

sure buddy

[pastel mantle]

no*

thanks

[violet yew]

can i have attention?

[honest jetty]

yes you can. i think i ran into you in a duel server

[violet yew]

lol and you did which region?

[honest jetty]

central or east, cant remember. NA*

[violet yew]

I play both so yeah most likely.

[west pond]

most of those archer changes seem pretty good

[honest jetty]

i dont go to duel servers often (usually just preferring the mindless chaos that is 32v32).. but was in a mood to practice mechanics. got my shit rocked. but learned some shit

[west pond]

im also probably in the vicinity of ~500 archer levels between epic and steam

and brazier is garbage

brazier is the only reason i ever switch to xbow

[violet yew]

I usually go in there when im called cause someone rdming in it lol

[west pond]

idgaf what level archers get warbow or team reflect tho tbh

[honest jetty]

i feel that specials can be shifted around. skirmisher would be better suited with banner, and cbow would be better with quiver, etc

[honest jetty]

there was.... A LOT of it, so yeah. it was you for sure lol

[west pond]

i dont think any class deserves quiver lol

would rather see them give it a healkit like ambusher or wwhatever than quiver

[violet yew]

Yeah the discord im in we have a tag call if they cant kick out an rdmer so they call people to come in and just fuck them up till they leave lol

[honest jetty]

if it would replenish the bandage aswell. it would actually be decent. giving skirmisher a chance to fight and not run back and forth to resupply because they got hit once.

[west pond]

if quiver wasnt quiver i agree

it would be better..but that aint quiver as it stands

[honest jetty]

which discord, i was in the pax discord lol

[violet yew]

Fighting Pit its an FFA discord mostly

[west pond]

give skirmisher the larger body type too for laughs

[honest jetty]

an actual change that would be both logical AND make sense "historically" would to be giving skirmisher* the footman passive of dodge cooldown reduction

OR make their dodge cost half the stam... youre not wearing armor, so its a logical change for either.

[west pond]

half stam dodges would be cool

so many shit 1hk archer anyway might as well

[frosty briar]

The two threads are pretty much,A. buff archer hard, or B. Nerf normal archers, light buff to good archers, buff on jav users etc small changes. If yall want archer balance its still gonna be heavily dependent on a buff, a nerf, and an actual autobalance

I say both attempts on archer balancing is awful on both keepers and ziggys side because keepers obvious major buffing, ziggy thinks archers killing archers will cause more of a counter to them although true a lil, ur not countering archer mains at all this way, just ruining a defense teams archers even more likely

Javelin user changes are good though

[honest jetty]

there are several, i have one of my own

i feel like most people focus on the archers themselves, and not the interaction between archers and melee (which is where the complaint come from)

ziggy focuses on archer vs archer, which the warbow already does. but its not enough to give archers a reason to shoot at each other

keeper wants to buff archer

i purposed a change to make archer take more projective damage (throwing weapons primarily) with a slight buff to swap speed to give them an opportunity to block it

and salt proposed to make arrows blockable

there are a lot of opinions. but there are clearly some troll ones in there too

[frosty briar]

Nah arrows blockable will kill the entire range system

Point is to keep range enjoyable and people to still pick it

But also fix its issues

[honest jetty]

so what about the proposal of having archers take increased thrown damage? to give melee an opportunity to lethally threaten the archer from outside of melee range?

[frosty briar]

Thrown damage can be buffed against an archer for maybe a throwing axe+javelin but not the knives

[honest jetty]

why not the knives? keep in mind the slight buff to swap speed for archer, giving them an opportunity to block them

[frosty briar]

Swap is terrible idea

[honest jetty]

its to give archer an opportunity to defend themselves against the throwing weapon weakness.

ive done the math (there are like 61 things to factor in, so its possible my math is a bit off)

the average damage of a thrown weapon is 44.32 damage

currently. that means, on average, you would need to land 3 in order kill the archer

[pastel mantle]

I think the best change is no change because there is really no way to make it balanced besides making the bow more readable maybe and increase walking speed with shield up

[honest jetty]

there are ways to make it for interactive to play against. the issue is getting enough of the community to agree to one.

[pastel mantle]

also yeah swap speed would just make them better because then they can hold you off for longer

[honest jetty]

the goal that im aiming for with that idea in mind

is to make archer easier to engage in melee. if youre able to get an archer to swap to their secondary, you can now safely close that distance without risk of taking an arrow

[pastel mantle]

as for thowables i don’t think many would risk switching as most archers will go for the shot right when your in there face

[pastel mantle]

That’s true

[honest jetty]

arrows get value really easily. and that overall should stay the same.. but the ways to punish the archer if the archer isnt very skill. needs to change

currently, its difficult to kill an archer in general and survive (you might kill them, but the odds of you making it back to the fight without getting ganked by a spawn wave are low)

with throwing weapons, youre either reducing the distance you need to close, indirectly buffing classes like ambusher and 2/3 knight subclasses, since they have knives/axes. (this option has a lot more safety when keeping in the spawn-wave-gank-squad)

OR. the archer pulls out their secondary in order to defend from the thrown weapon weakness. and you can now fight them in melee combat

[long nexus]

I'm curious about your thoughts on this. It gives counterplay if you spot the archer, and you'd still have to nuke your stamina while approaching an archer, because unlike everyone keeps saying, you cannot reliably counter arrows.

[frosty briar]

Theres no problem on not spotting an archer, if i can block a arrow its enough for me to get away from that archer, it likely wont make sense either to drain much stam vs other items like axes or javelins

I can realistically stop a good archer and put his actual skill to complete uselessness due to it

If i blocked his arrows

[frosty briar]

The swap wouldnt be needed if they are distanced enough to move out the way, if they are hit without using the dodge thats their fault for dying, taking out something faster will only make archers get away from dying easier on not thrown items alone but melee encounters too

If the archer switches sure itll be off their ranged item but it wont make em fight just run

[long nexus]

For stamina drain I was mostly thinking about approaching the archer, since you'd be holding block while covering ground

[frosty briar]

You pushing a archer already is annoying due to them being back usually and allies around. The point isnt to hurt all archers, instead form counters to perfect archers that obvious have zero to none counters right now. These guys arent gonna just let you push easy

If you want a counter to new archers you gotta nerf the archers aim assist so newbs arent just getting free hits 24/7

In close range

[long nexus]

Exactly, so it would force them to retreat, they can't just land some free damage then retreat into their team

And for blocking, they still have pressure on you in a team fight. They'd force you to position against them

[frosty briar]

It will make them either move back while shooting or fall back for 3 seconds

And only if they are alone

I thibk its a win loss overall melee wont counter archers by killing thsm but just holding objs and blocking them normally

Good Archers will remain as safe but their skill is effectively screwed

This is why thrown items can be blocked and not arrows

[long nexus]

You gotta put this in a team context too. The melee all have each other to worry about, the archers will still have targets, bandaging or downed opponents are free hits, people's backs and sides, those not holding block

Even those that have clocked the archer, because this is no change to readability, so you would have a hard time blocking on reaction

[frosty briar]

Which will be likely defendable now easier without shields and not put urself at risk in group fights where ur often blocking more and didge stray arrows

I could standby a downed guy with my sword now and protect him

It just seems unfair

[long nexus]

Seems like counterplay, now the pressure of one archer has two people out the fight

[frosty briar]

Its a counterplay but a very op one for melee players

[long nexus]

And then of course the archer with good sight lines can just pick another target

[frosty briar]

They will be forced to do that so much, they'll run out of ammo if its a newb, obtain 1-2 kills if good

Unless hunting archers

Which again only screws newb archers a ton and only ruins range vs melee a lot

[long nexus]

I'm not even against arrows doing regular stam damage, which is still more pressure from range

But this is why private servers would be nice, we could all see how it plays out

[frosty briar]

It woukdnt make sense much to make an arrow as strong as a thrown item on blocking tho. Even if it was a lil logical

One thing certain is thrown items should be buffed against long range classes

[long nexus]

My general thought for this is archers having ranged pressure, but not necessarily free damage against even players that are focusing them

[frosty briar]

Maybe add a weight+drawback nerf on instant release or reduce damage on short release

That way they suck running away, and drain extra stam dodging too much

It will make archers more cautious

Esp good archer players

And prevent bow spam shortdraw shots

[long nexus]

That would be nice

The other change I'd like is having a release animation instead, so you could read when to counter. This is instead of blocking ofc

[frosty briar]

Actually maybe allow countering on short release arrows

As well

They are after all not being shot with much force

[long nexus]

Though archers can't really alter the timing if that so a good player would shut them down most of the time

Which is why block with unreadable release works better imo because you can still mind game them as an archer. Hit their block once or twice and now the melee had a stamina disadvantage coming into the melee fight, or the fight with the spawn wave that just turned up

Especially with xbow, you can wait for block to drop then boop them in the face

[frosty briar]

Archers sacrifice the cost of melee for being distant and inflicting damage far. Just gotta be stuff there to be cautious to melee or ambush. As well as some balance to just in general force a good roster vs a good roster

Tired of archer mains going 24/7 attack also screwing defense just as team stackers

I propose a full roster balance in the start of the game. The 31/31 team switching does nothing at all. Abd it was a foolish idea on the developers side. Esp when games can start even with 7 high levels vs 1-0

Were experienced and we shouldnt be picking the obvious side to grab more kills or die less, people should not forget about the people just steamrolled entirely through that process

[wheat sentinel]

I see vastly more melee mains stacking than Archer but go off king. (hell do you not remember “Stack” group from discord?)

You guys have to stop blaming archers for everything. It’s sad.

Also the hilarious “counter play” argument for archers when you pick a 2 hander is dumb, you have an option to counter play an Archer you chose not to and you aren’t getting buffed to fix your choice.

Rock , Paper and scissor. You melee mains here just want to be a counter all class.

These tired talking points are embarrassing and reek of entitled gamers who don’t want to use the tools they already have.

Weak mentality and weaker players

[long nexus]

You could learn from two people having an actual discussion instead of just throwing out insults, but you don't. Then play victim when people fire back at you, and wonder why you're the one being muted.

[void storm]

Fellas

[frosty briar]

you failed to read the point, this wasn't targetted only on archers it was on melee players too

my discussion above that was on archers like you actually having very low counters and definitely needing some checks since you actually have little to no counters as good archers will only always join a attackers side most of the time and not give defense a shot as much as other stackers, this isn't a archer only thing, this is why we need an actual auto balance. not a 31/31 team switching feature

the changes above wont impact archers as much and allow melee to at least somewhat counter archers effectively with their possibilities while not being either op as hell either

not unless ur straight up close to someone or spamming ur bow in short drawn attacks

or if a player throws and downs you with only buffed throwing damage to you, which a archer should learn to counter by using the dodge feature, this is not a melee only function and i know you archers already do so to escape melee

[wheat sentinel]

I read

“I’m tired of Archer mains going attack 24/7”

Did you not say that?

[frosty briar]

yes on the archers side, a full balance roster doesn't only effect you guys but us melee players too

[wheat sentinel]

You have insulted me countless times in this thread stop clutching your pearls

[frosty briar]

its on both melee and range

[wheat sentinel]

They won’t ever implement a balance system for this game as they fall back on the “casual” and light hearted approach.

[long nexus]

Yeah cos you act like an ass. But then you also turn around acting like you're the only one getting insulted and then throw out you own. Insult me all you want, I won't act like I'm some victim for it.

[wheat sentinel]

Their efforts have only increased the issue of team balance.

The most recent being players sitting in spectator mode.

Which you didn’t address and is a far worse issue.

[wheat sentinel]

I didn’t insult you are interjecting yourself and pretending I did something to you.

Stop clutching your pearls I didn’t @ you.

Also you have to go out of your way to see my comments since you have me blocked. So your opinion on what I say or how I say it is irrelevant since you already chose not to see it.

Move along

[frosty briar]

thats because there wont be a spectator choice in what im suggesting

i just mean straight up put into a damn team and toggled to remain for at least an objective

that or till the game ends

we do not deserve freedom to pick our teams as much if its only gonna fuck the other side most of the time

[wheat sentinel]

They won’t get rid of it.

Because they won’t fix parties being split up and spectator mode is their fix for their poor coding ability.

[long nexus]

Do I need to quote your whole message back at you? You don't need to personally @ someone to insult them. Oh I guess you're just falling back on "well technically" because someone called you out on your shit, again.

[wheat sentinel]

Again stop begging for attention from someone you have blocked. Just move along like an adult.

[frosty briar]

then add queues which divide the balance properly so parties can join a game starting properly, and onyl allow parties of 2-4 in games if there is a party that left

[long nexus]

No, I won't ignore your bullshit

[frosty briar]

halo did it

[long nexus]

I will call you out for being a hypocrite

[wheat sentinel]

I loved Halo for Big Team Battle. I wish we could get something like that an punished for quitting.

But I doubt they do anything like this 2 years in. We can only hope they release the SDK and we can have custom servers that actually offer great choices of what you can change.

[long nexus]

I will also leave you blocked so you mald harder over the fact you can't post cap emotes on anything you don't like

[wheat sentinel]

As long as they don't go the Loot box route like Halo lol

[tawny raven]

Nay to blocking arrows

Might as well only use the skirmisher subclass at that point since you'll be doing higher projectile dmg, have a shield, more stamina, and better secondaries

The only bow remotely worth it anymore would be warbow for shooting other archers (who are now largely useless)

[wheat sentinel]

That is their end goal, They want to nerf the class so much it is not played and removed.

[long nexus]

You still have a huge range advantage and no way to read arrow release.

[tawny raven]

Range advantage with the warbow, sure. The longbow and crossbow, not really... And sitting back will now be even more useless with how many of your arrows will be blocked whether intentionally or unintentionally

The low projectile speed already disincentivizes staying back, if you add in held block blocking all arrows there is 0 point

[long nexus]

I'm open to other ways for weapons to counterplay archers, this is the method I think would work well while not kneecapping archers too hard

Like, the blocked arrow still doing full stam damage, allowing archers to disarm people

[wheat sentinel]

He wants to be able to know when to block even though Melee can Feint/Morph and Cancel their attacks so you can hide it/Delay it.

He wants Archers to have 1 arrow speed and it to be 100% readable.
Not realizing the same thing for Melee would be making it 100% the same speed everytime and 100% blockable with no Stam drain.

I

[long nexus]

Maybe a suppression point bonus so you don't lose the points from damage

[tawny raven]

This would 100% kneecap them imo

[wheat sentinel]

Imagine all Melee could do is Slash or Overhead at the exact same speed every time and not be able to Delay or change it.

That is his suggestion with Arrows. But with no Stam drain.

[pastel mantle]

Archers need to have free damage it’s just not viable

[long nexus]

You are misunderstanding me then

[pastel mantle]

or*

[long nexus]

I don't think that's true

[tawny raven]

They're a liability if they don't have an opportunity to harass for free dmg

And sure I could still shoot enemies in animations, at least after the counter window, but still not interrupt their swings

Rather play melee at that point and actually have presence on the obj

And interrupt attacks

[long nexus]

Well it's the same right now except they have no way to play against you

Besides run through the enemy team

I'd be up for other buffs if it meant archers had counterplay

[tawny raven]

I think there's plenty of changes that could be tried before doing something so drastic

[wheat sentinel]

Take away Archers damage and buff their Melee is not a buff it is removing a class to add another Melee

[tawny raven]

On the other hand there's now little counterplay to a melee rushing an archer with block held up

Now every class can do it

[long nexus]

Did I say buff the melee?

[pastel mantle]

that’s just bad positioning

[wheat sentinel]

What are you going to do to replace making their Ranged massively weaker?

[tawny raven]

You have to position aggressively to harass consistently, especially if counters and held block now block arrows

You can now only shoot people already in animations, hence needing to be closer

[long nexus]

Make that counterable range have more power, possibly

[wheat sentinel]

Give them more power but make them 1,000 times easier to negate.

Horrible

[pastel mantle]

But you can’t tell when they shoot cause there’s no animation

[wheat sentinel]

Why does Ranged not get to Delay or change their attacks like Melee?

[tawny raven]

You cannot hold a nocked arrow for very long at all before you lose all accuracy and stamina

You can outstam a drawing archer by holding block on every melee class

[wheat sentinel]

These are things people who play Archer know, Not people who are rushing to make them easier to play against.

[long nexus]

Xbow can. Bow you can cancel and recharge. Maybe make that faster to allow for more mindgames

[pastel mantle]

if you are at ranger you don’t need to hold it

[long nexus]

Things that could be changed

[tawny raven]

You need to hold it if they have block up or it's useless to fire

[pastel mantle]

pick one of the other 15 targets

[wheat sentinel]

Same with leading or waiting on them to clear your team, You have to think ahead to shoot the majority of the time.

[long nexus]

Make longbow lower stam drain, faster draw so it becomes the close range option

[wheat sentinel]

Longbow is the close range option already

[tawny raven]

Ya it is

[west pond]

longbow is fine for close range as is

[long nexus]

More viable if they can be blocked

[wheat sentinel]

Because it has lower stam drain lol

[west pond]

learn how it shoots from just tapping fire rather than holding at all

[wheat sentinel]

Man it's wild how little you know about the class you are wanting to nerf into the ground

[west pond]

if they knew how to play archer

they wouldnt need it nerfed

[wheat sentinel]

They just know it hurts when they play 2 hander with 0 awareness and want it taken away

[long nexus]

These are suggestions along with the arrow counterplay

[tawny raven]

I understand they can be frustrating to play against but some suggestions are just doing too much

[wheat sentinel]

Arrow Counter play you want is 1 Speed , Easy to read animation and easy to counter

[pastel mantle]

i definitely don’t understand how to aim and shoot

[west pond]

ive never really found a viable reason for archer nerf requests, it always comes down to "i dont enjoy being hit by arrows and am too lazy to go 1hk the archer"

[wheat sentinel]

"I don't want to counter them, I want them gone"

[long nexus]

I can be 100% aware of the archer but do nothing about it because they have no counterplay for most weapons

[west pond]

somehow all of these people act like walking up to an archer is an impossible task, yet despite my ~500 archer levels, i have more time spent on vanguard and knight as individual classes and lemme tell you...killing archers is ez af

[tawny raven]

Nerf aim assist before doing anything else lol

[west pond]

in fact, vanguard and knight are better at ranged combat than archers are in most senses if you can manage to figure out how to throw any of the 200 weapons on teh ground

[long nexus]

Make things up, bud. You love it so much when it happens to you

[wheat sentinel]

When did "Most weapons" need to counter something?

[long nexus]

Since that's a core concept of melee slashers

[wheat sentinel]

All weapons can have their damage countered with a shield.

[tawny raven]

It can actually be quite hard to harass with longbow with how much enemies move during animations, your team getting in the way, bad projectile speed, bad servers, etc

[wheat sentinel]

That again would require him to play the class to understand

They were claiming it was Hitscan a few weeks ago

[tawny raven]

And countering your teammates' swings often leads to a countered arrow as well, considering that's when they are most open to being shot

[long nexus]

I dunno who that was, but not me

[wheat sentinel]

You all blur together into the same bad talking points.

[tawny raven]

Come on now 😔

[wheat sentinel]

I mean he just advocated for making the Longbow the close range option. How is that supposed to be make us take him serious.

[pastel mantle]

anyways archers don’t need a buff like the title says

They have free damage, both melee and range openings

[long nexus]

This is why discussing things is important, but keeper doesn't discuss, it just wants yes men

[wheat sentinel]

You made a suggestion that if you had a basic understanding of the Archer class you would know was already there.

[pastel mantle]

i don’t have him block but i’m actively not playing into his little games lol

[tawny raven]

They have safe damage yes, I wouldn't consider sacrificing all your melee power, stamina, and objective presence and still having to aim well very free tbh

[long nexus]

Within the context of the changes I suggested. I think you need an eye exam, everything all blurry, can't read discussions.

[pastel mantle]

free as in you have 12-20 chances to get a shot in

[wheat sentinel]

You didn't say to make the Longbow the Close option?

[wheat sentinel]

This isn't you?

[long nexus]

Highlight those points more with the blockable arrows

[wheat sentinel]

This is why I ask for a min archer level to discuss balance with the class. To prevent people from thinking they have a fix that is already in the game.

[tawny raven]

Missing all those shots makes you a liability, one that has to resupply constantly and one that isn't helping the frontline at all

If aim assist was nerfed complaints would fall greatly

[long nexus]

Still cant read 🤔

I don't think anyone is against the aim assist issue. But it's worth balancing against at least slightly competent archers, not people who can't aim at all

[pastel mantle]

You’re way to close to the combat if that’s the case and may to have more awareness of the next enemy is coming at you on the flanks

[pastel mantle]

i agree

[tawny raven]

You don't know how to play longbow if you're advising me to stay in the back

I have no problem with stabbing people that slip through

[pastel mantle]

i keep forgetting ppl play other things then crossbow

[tawny raven]

Longbow is only relatively common due to it being the first available weapon

It's quite weak and hard to use with its bad projectile speed

So it necessitates positioning aggressively

[long nexus]

And you get to fire into engaged enemies while they can do nothing to you

[pastel mantle]

All i’ll say is that i don’t think there is a way to balance archers besides removing aim assist that will make both parties content

[long nexus]

Maybe they break through, maybe another players does, bit in that moment you get unstoppable damage

[wheat sentinel]

Aim assist isn’t even a factor with good archer so it wouldn’t solve anything

[long nexus]

Or, actually reliably stoppable damage

[violet yew]

No not unstoppable damage cause you got teammates in the way

[long nexus]

Same to melee classes, it's part of the skill of playing. But a melee class in melee rnage throwing out an overhead or stab to hit you instead isn't getting free damage

[tawny raven]

An archer shooting you from a distance while you're fighting is comparable to a melee class ganking you and hitting you in the back while fighting I'd say

One is from a distance yes but you sacrifice a ton to be effective from a distance

[long nexus]

Similar, but if you have awareness you can counter that player

[tawny raven]

You can't be aware of every single flank in a dense 64 player match

You're gonna get bonked in the back occasionally

[long nexus]

And you're gonna get shot in the sides and face cos you cannot be expected to track all the archers in the game either, even if you can block them

[violet yew]

Well thats the same against archer if you have awareness then you keep the archers teammates in between you and the acher. Then you aint getting hit.

[long nexus]

Which even with blockable arrows you keep that pressure on their positioning.

[wheat sentinel]

No pressure if you just can press block from anywhere to negate damage

[long nexus]

Its not magic, you still have to track the archer, judge when they'll shoot or have no stamina

[pastel mantle]

almost the same as when you block a melee attack

[wheat sentinel]

But you can delay and morph melee you want an easily read animation that is the same every time for Archers

So substantially easier to deal with

[long nexus]

Not with the current unreadable release

[wheat sentinel]

Which is the equivalent to a Melee being able to mix up his attacks right?

[pastel mantle]

I can just block melee

[violet yew]

If you really just want to just block arrow with parry then why is shield such an issue?

That is the only reason why Shields were ever invented

[frosty briar]

blocking arrows isnt gonna ever happen and isnt a solution, only thing i can recommend that ever being done is short released arrows where a person just doesn't even attempt to draw the bow

[pastel mantle]

(you walk like a turtle for one

maybe buff that first

[frosty briar]

because realistically you would be able to block off a arrow if its so weak and able to be catched

vs a decently drawn arrow

[violet yew]

So you refuse to use it cause your slow? You can play footman and have a faster speed with a shield.

[pastel mantle]

still slow and i don’t like that class

i will suffer from arrows till the day i die

(from arrows)

vanguard for life

[mint laurel]

Keep archers the way they are just give them 2 seconds in desertion zones

[pastel mantle]

realistically that’s prob the best we’ll get

[violet yew]

Vanguard for life!

[pastel mantle]

if

[pastel mantle]

Indeed i just dash spam

[mint laurel]

Probably not tho

[violet yew]

Well nerf of the aim assist is the best it will probably be.

[pastel mantle]

if we did tho

[pastel mantle]

too much

I just count my blessings every day because i haven’t delt with an archer main (in game) or not a good one anyways

[violet yew]

Are you playing in the FFA tournament?

[pastel mantle]

That excludes reptar!

[pastel mantle]

when is it

[violet yew]

nvm then lol i was gonna say i think reptar playing in the tournament

[mint laurel]

It would address my main issue with them. They seem resistant to making mechanical changes so I just want them to have to commit to fights they started

[violet yew]

You in the fighting pit discord?

[pastel mantle]

i was in the thunder dome one like a year ago but it seemed to die

but no

[shy cedar]

Let active parry block arrows . If im fighting a real player, the bottom feeding archer can wait til we finish 🤘

[violet yew]

Ill message you it. Rabbit made it for all FFA people.

[pastel mantle]

That’s all we ever want is for them to answer to there sins

[pastel mantle]

sounds good

[honest jetty]

there has more than likely been against one. the thing about archers is that we tend to spread the pressure and go for a lot of cleanup kills or land enough damage to get credit for the elim

i often loose arrows on people coming back from spawn (since they usually walk in a straight kind and arent prepared to get hit)

[pastel mantle]

another not asking for much change

[violet yew]

When i played archer i never go for full health people i just go after weak ones myself. Thats how i racked up kills is pretty much stealing them lol

[pastel mantle]

I usually do pretty in a public TO setting so you’d think they go after me more but again you can smell low knights with crossy

[violet yew]

I agreed to that in other threads that it should be allowed

[pastel mantle]

i played crossy and it was like i could smell them it was weird

[pastel mantle]

i’ve accidentally countered a arrow when getting 1v3 and gave me active parry which was cool

[violet yew]

I sent you the link too just go to the tournament section and select interested to particpate. We doing it this weekend Saturday EST 8:30 PM to 10:30PM. Right now winner gets $75 but Rabbit said we might actually get more for prize winner.

[pastel mantle]

is there archer mains on NA east? In TO

[mint laurel]

That's the thing, how many times have you countered an arrow where it was not accidental

[violet yew]

A lot i love countering arrows its fun lol

[pastel mantle]

i can counter them in a duel server just not when there 40m away and i’m in 1vx

[violet yew]

Yes

[pastel mantle]

Most times it’s just a random archer for me

[mint laurel]

I too enjoy countering arrows at the archer counter carnival minigame where we both stand still with no outside interference

[pastel mantle]

appreciate it

[mint laurel]

Also I brought a shield

[violet yew]

I do it mid combat lol

[pastel mantle]

“bring a shield and become a parry god”

[violet yew]

I need no shields to kill dem archers!

[pastel mantle]

I’m hot topic there’s too many people that want my booty too let me get some revenge

[tawny raven]

Not always easy to main a class with a 6 person limit

[violet yew]

Oh you kidding me i get people that jump me every match to prevent me from winnig lol

[pastel mantle]

Archer is a hard class they should get commended more

[pastel mantle]

True

[violet yew]

I commend all archers especially in FFA cause the ones in FFA get the worst experience lol

[pastel mantle]

but in TO for me i have to almost sweat to get them

[pastel mantle]

There’s been occasions where i’ve been team on:^0

but the ones that don’t team, they. should prob get commended in FFA

[tawny raven]

Hmm? Not what I was saying

[pastel mantle]

If your good at melee and can aim, archer should not be allowed in public TO

[tawny raven]

You just can't really main a class when it's constantly full on the limit unless you keep server hopping

[pastel mantle]

That kinda sucks

for you

[tawny raven]

I play every class, not a big deal to me

[pastel mantle]

i’d just play ambushed if no archer

[tawny raven]

Except when our archers are really shit and blocking doorways and all that and I'm thinking this mf is taking up a slot

[pastel mantle]

ambusher

sometimes if the archers are soo bad i want to change to archer

or if my active parry just isn’t working

[white venture]

Man, you really do just say this to everyone that you don't like, huh?

You must say this a lot, cause you don't seem to get along with literally any players.

[wheat sentinel]

Take your meds

[white venture]

Why am I taking meds? Haha.

You're the one suffering from schizophrenia or some form of psychosis.

[wheat sentinel]

Projection

[white venture]

I'm starting to think you've just been joking this whole time and this is all an elaborate character you've been playing

But if you were that good of an actor, id recommend pursuing a professional career.

[wheat sentinel]

Cool man, always nice to hear your personal insults.

[shy cedar]

Its like he forgot he insulted you two posts previous 😆

[long nexus]

nothing keeper says in an insult, but everything everyone else says is

[honest jetty]

dont forget that anyone that disagrees with his proposed archer buffs is a "archer-hate"or a "melee main"

[wheat sentinel]

Imagine blocking someone and then spamming their post and talking about them.

You boys need to a get a hobby besides fishing for attention.

[wheat sentinel]

Neither was an insult

Both are accurate.

But as always you misrepresent my words in your rush to feel like you contributed something.

[shy cedar]

Imagine 🌈

[wheat sentinel]

Chins up guys, maybe your day will get better.

[shy cedar]

You right 👌

[tawny raven]

Implying someone is mentally ill isn't very nice Mr Keeper

Just don't try to take the high ground if you're gonna say things like that!

[shy cedar]

Go up to people on the street and tell them to take their meds. Its not even an insult, so they shouldnt punch you in the face

[long nexus]

keepr moment

[shy cedar]

Common Keeper L

[wheat sentinel]

Lol you miss the part where he literally said that? I also never said he was mentally Ill. I said to take his meds, that interpretation is on you.

Common misrepresentation of my words

[wheat sentinel]

See here

[west pond]

lol this is where i check out

conversation went completely dumb af

[tawny raven]

Always happens with archer discussions

I don't agree with any personal insults, I know Ziggy does it too and I know you 2 have a history lol

[wheat sentinel]

You not going to call him out for literally calling me mentally Ill?

[tawny raven]

He doesn't feign innocence and play the victim like you're doing here

[west pond]

^

[shy cedar]

What does telling people to "Take their meds" imply to you? That he has heartburn or what?

[wheat sentinel]

Quote where I called him mentally Ill

[tawny raven]

Dude, saying take your meds is implying someone is mentally ill

[wheat sentinel]

It’s open ended bud, that’s up to you to fill in. It’s clear what you all think of him now.

[tawny raven]

Ugh...

[west pond]

wow.

[shy cedar]

Take his meds for what then? Just be honest

Clarify

[west pond]

my 6 and 8 year old nephews fight that way

[wheat sentinel]

No idea, I’m not his Dr, he just seems like he needs sleep.

[tawny raven]

Maybe you shoulda said "get some sleep" then

Why didn't you say that instead?

[west pond]

dont even humor this person theyre obviously mired in self delusion and expect us to be right with them

[shy cedar]

Because any situation where he is wrong must be avoided by his psyche at all costs

[wheat sentinel]

Right I do enjoy you going after me for saying “take your meds” and not him for literally using mental health as an insult

Peak hypocrisy

[west pond]

he sucks too, you suck as well

[tawny raven]

He's not going to deny that he said that

You are...

[west pond]

are you happy? you both suck and act like children

[wheat sentinel]

You didn’t call him out for it either and I clarified

[shy cedar]

He didnt have to clarify 😂 We know he was insulting you.

[west pond]

tbf, i guess its likely you are a child, so that may be unfair of me to say

[shy cedar]

you trying to weasel your way out of that is whats annoying people

[west pond]

^

[wheat sentinel]

I didn’t say what you claimed so I can’t weasel out of it

You are trying to add context for me to defend

Weird that you all went to that though. Speaks volumes

[west pond]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLJrQj-ClMk

[wheat sentinel]

Nice one man, I hope it makes you feel better also trying to personally insult me.

[west pond]

take your meds

[wheat sentinel]

Thanks man, need some Vitamin C.

[west pond]

probably get some vitamin D too, yours looks weak af

[wheat sentinel]

Oh a attempted insult on my looks? How sad

[shy cedar]

The only time in internet history where "Take your meds" was meant to be compassionate. He just meant vitamins and wanted him to get a proper night's sleep. We are so terrible.

[west pond]

which vitamins do you draw the line at

[wheat sentinel]

Making up something doesn’t make it true. Maybe check out /r/shortstories with that talent

[west pond]

^ correct, which is exactly why we knew: Keeper (B2B Appeal Champ)
OP
— Today at 3:42 PM
No idea, I’m not his Dr, he just seems like he needs sleep. was bullshit

[wheat sentinel]

Weird more false claims about me? How predictable /yawn

[west pond]

you should watch the video i linked, it describes you pretty much dead on

[tawny raven]

That binkie emote is hilarious lol

[wheat sentinel]

I don’t click on links from people who try to insult me, but good on you for sharing.

[west pond]

take your meds

[wheat sentinel]

Thanks man , always nice to have a reminder

[tawny raven]

You don't even need to watch it, the title is enough

Basically if you are constantly having issues with everyone you come across, you may be the issue

[shy cedar]

💊💉💉 Anyone not take their meds today? Concerned Internet Citizen here.

[tawny raven]

My copium levels are dangerously low

[west pond]

mines a suppository and im still working up the courage to take it

[wheat sentinel]

I’m sorry there are so many people who blocked me that follow me to insult me.

I didn’t tag them to come here did I ? They showed up begging

[west pond]

take your meds

[wheat sentinel]

Good one, even better the 3rd time!

[west pond]

good what?

[long nexus]

worm tactics

[wheat sentinel]

Comment bud

[shy cedar]

I know you can do it. Think of your health. Take your meds.

[west pond]

will you help me

[wheat sentinel]

Well it’s clear you guys are just here to beg for attention and insult me, god speed I’m off to be productive. Have a good one.

[west pond]

take your meds

[shy cedar]

Ask keeper, hes who inspired me to check people's wellness

[shy cedar]

You'll be back, bring proof next time

[long nexus]

he's gonna go kick children around to feel good

[west pond]

https://tenor.com/view/anakin-starwars-darthvader-gif-5533636

[tawny raven]

This is actually more aggravating than being directly insulted

Like just own it and full send it pls

[shy cedar]

I just got new shoes. I dont even need my meds today 😎'

[long nexus]

🪱

[tawny raven]

Can we get air jordan cosmetics?

I'm an archer abuser and even I can't get along with keeper 😔

[pastel mantle]

The way he acts has nothing to with being an archer main. I believe he just has personal issues he hasn’t dealt with and lacks communication skills

[honest jetty]

natural selection should hurry up with you

if you took it an insult, its because you interpreted it that way...

[wheat sentinel]

Thanks this is the sweetest thing anyone has said to me in here, hoping someone passes their genes on is super weird. But thank you!

[honest jetty]

oh i see. you interpreted it in a way that was impossible

so i do have a question. how does it feel to be the most universally disliked person on the chiv2 discord?

[wheat sentinel]

I’m still beaming from your compliment, thanks man. I hope you have a blessed day and thanks for the kind words.

If you meant something else please clarify. I doubt you meant something else though, you are a fan and wished me the best.

I’m so lucky to have you.

[honest jetty]

youre right. you ARE LUCKY to have me. and the rest of us are unlucky that out of all the sperm, you were the fastest swimmer.

[wheat sentinel]

Everyone you talk to is the fastest one bud. Thanks again for that compliment.

[west pond]

most people choose a less transparent coping mechanism

[honest jetty]

some people just pretend on the internet because its the only place they have power

[wheat sentinel]

Meeting a death threat with kindness isn’t coping, it’s deescalating a person looking for attention with extreme comments.

It’s a pretty common technique.

[west pond]

that isnt a threat actually, despite how much you want it to be

[wheat sentinel]

You are right he meant it in the way I said.

[honest jetty]

you thinking that is a death threat is a victim complex

so.. have you taken your meds for your disorders?

[wheat sentinel]

Thanks fan.

[west pond]

i realize that you didnt like it, but that doesnt make it definable as a threat

you are 100% going to die. thats a fact.

[wheat sentinel]

Are you pretending I have disorders as a way to insult me?

Thats pretty sad using a disability as an insult.

[west pond]

insomnia is a disability and you made fun of sleeping medication

js

[wheat sentinel]

Yes wishing natural selection would hurry up with someone in no way could be seen as wishing they would die.

/yawn

[west pond]

wishing somebody dies and making a threat isnt the same thing

[honest jetty]

im not pretending, im pointing out.

superiority complex
victim complex

and thats just the OBVIOUS ones.

[pastel mantle]

Archer on archer violence, this is truly an experience

[west pond]

thats exactly my point

[wheat sentinel]

You don’t have to have insomnia to not get enough sleep

[west pond]

lol you fucking suck honestly

this is why people speak to you and mention natural selection

[wheat sentinel]

Where did you get your degree? Can you link your practice? Also a big no no in the medical community is diagnosing people like you are trying to do.

[west pond]

this is a reflection of you

[wheat sentinel]

Then why don’t you leave?

[west pond]

trying to see if you break

unlike you, i have no qualms about owning who i am or what i am

[wheat sentinel]

Lol you want attention is all.

[west pond]

idgaf if every single person here blocked me, youd still be whiny, and people would still be hoping natural selection got to you based on the way you talk to them

[honest jetty]

ah, you see. you dont have to be a mechanic to tell if a car was wrecked... when the damage hasnt been repaired

the same with you, you dont have to an expert to see the obvious

[wheat sentinel]

I have been nice here, you are confusing me and the people trying to attack me with personal insults and death threats.

[long nexus]

mmm, hypocrisy twice. Certified keeper moment

oh, third one just slip in there

[west pond]

nobody has threatened you.

[wheat sentinel]

Oh we are still pretending got it

[west pond]

quote / paste the alleged threat that was made

[honest jetty]

shh shh. keeper has to have something to tell his therapist about why his life is so bad

[wheat sentinel]

I am going to head out guys, I hope you brush up on your manners and less on the threats and personal insults.

Go tell your parents you love them!