Archer Changes

[unreal patrol]

Most archer players tend to want to keep playing archer since it does more damage consistently while having no idea how to play.

You're right that on average, an archer wont know how to counter, but are you designing the archer class with the idea that someone is so new/weak that they cant even perform core mechanics?

[inner pecan]

But if thats the case then we go back to the other discussion is why dont you see that effect on archers getting more kills? If the damage is so consistent then you would see archers doing way better then what they are doing now.

[tall hound]

I do tell my friends who want to play archer they should spend some time as one of the melee classes first to learn the combat. Once they do and have the counter system down they tend to do a lot better than the average archer, or even the average melee player. Since they have the ranged plink plink ability plus can delay enough when they inevitably get in close.

I encouraged them to do the same thing in CMW and it was even nastier there with one hit kill headshots.

[unreal patrol]

Its not about doing better, its about consistent performance.

[inner pecan]

Thats what we are talking about is the performance lol.

[unreal patrol]

They might do better in melee one game then worse in the next. With archer, they click the button and (more likely than not) aim assist takes the wheel and they almost always do some damage.

A lot of console gamers just do not give even a slight shit about how they do it, number on screen = doing good.

Call of Duty gameplay for 99% is sprint forward, shoot at thing that moves, do this until die, repeat.

People play archer in a similar, thoughtless mindset. They dont really care about dying that much in actuality and will run forward and tunnel vision on the first guy they see.

[inner pecan]

Thats actually what i did. When i first started playing the game i was completely negative all the time as archer. Then i decide to switch to melee and do the tutorial i actually could defend myself better. But even doing that i still have issues even hitting my targets as archer cause you have to worry about teammates, movement of the players and worrying about other archers.

Thats why i even said with keepers video him going 60 and 1 as archer, thats a rare site to see even for players that play archer a lot cause thats not ez to do nor have i even accomplished doing that

[unreal patrol]

People play Archer because no matter how bad you are, no matter how bad you are at learning or how low your attention span is, you will do something while playing archer if you understand how to shoot an arrow at the enemy teams direction.

[tall hound]

If you spend time worrying about shooting your teammates you're probably putting in more thought than the average archer already

[unreal patrol]

Also, I once got into Keepers game as an archer and he went 110-4 and I went 105-2 or something.

[thorn robin]

Did you forget to apply your anti-arrow cream or something?

[unreal patrol]

It was really not that hard to keep up despite having almost 20x less gameplay time on Archer.

[inner pecan]

I would love to see that clip

[unreal patrol]

Actually more than that, probably 50x.

[unreal patrol]

I had it saved, recorded it offline, didnt use it, deleted it.

😔

[inner pecan]

bruhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh lol

[lapis cipher]

this is so sad

alexa, play the chivalry 2 match loss sound

[inner pecan]

Excatly my point cause archers would just tend to shoot their teammate and pray to hit an enemy lol

[unreal patrol]

Its really not hard though is my point, most archers are playing without a functioning frontal lobe because theyre drunk, high or doing something else and you shouldnt keep archers empowered for the sake of appeasing those people because they could just as easily swap to dane axe.

Plus, my suggested archer changes dont really make their gameplay worse.

Its just putting archers at more risk of other archers, which means they either shoot eachother more or some good archer kills them more, which theyre likely already doing with warbow.

And when a new archer with a longbow gets shot by a veteran with a warbow, there isnt much counterplay for the longbow user.

[vagrant eagle]

🤨 who reacted with a chinese flag

[unreal patrol]

The CCp

[vagrant eagle]

the CC tiny p

[inner pecan]

But now pro players can rapid fire new players with longbow making them not being able to play

[unreal patrol]

While being at much more risk of return fire and melee or throwing projectiles

[thorn robin]

Wait I’m confused so we don’t wanna remove archers now

[vagrant eagle]

it will reduce people liking archer for sure if the good archers farm them to oblivion 😔

[unreal patrol]

If a pro player picks longbow, hes getting flanked more, approached more and shot at more.

[vagrant eagle]

never was original suggestion, it was just people that disliked archer too much

[inner pecan]

Thats where it will come down to cause now i can switch to longbow and farm them easier with more ammo

[unreal patrol]

While being at more risk*

[thorn robin]

Archers aren’t too bad if you make sure to put on your Anti-Archer mask

[unreal patrol]

Why dont you do me a favor, ahhh

[lapis cipher]

it's my suggestion because I'm an evil bastard who only thinks about himself

[fathom aurora]

I do think longbow should only 1 shot on headshot

[unreal patrol]

Go into the game and use the longbow and just pretend that every longbow shot on an archer kills that archer. Pretend for me.

See what it's like for say, a day or two.

[inner pecan]

But i have more experience in the game and knowing where to position myself keeping myself safe. So now i have an enormous more advantage of killing newbies and not letting them play

[fathom aurora]

welcome to learning

[unreal patrol]

Slower arrows and heavier arc make those positions less useful.

[inner pecan]

Did you just assume my positions? lol

[unreal patrol]

Plus, you still have to shoot them.

[inner pecan]

You dont know the mighty AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH then lol

[unreal patrol]

If they can be shot at, you can be shot.

[vagrant eagle]

i feel like ziggys suggestion is a double edged sword ngl, it makes archers wanna kill archers, but then archers can be farmed so much easier by good archers

[unreal patrol]

And with sub 5 second respawn times...

Its not even a huge deal if they die, imo. Its the same in melee.

[tall hound]

We have previously been told that (one of?) the counter to archers is meant to be archers

[thorn robin]

Nah let’s just remove all bows and crossbows instead, skirmisher only

[unreal patrol]

This suggestion leans into the idea of archer countering archer.

[lapis cipher]

it usually goes "shields, counter mechanic, other people, and archers"

[inner pecan]

Like this is a buff for pro players that play archery. Im all for the average player base as it should be. The game cant be revolved around the pro players and big streamers agree with that.

[vagrant eagle]

thats fine but if good archers are farming new player archers, then you kinda get archers not really wanting to try out archer, far less archers, archers alone is already a rarely played class vs melee

[unreal patrol]

I feel the opposite a little bit, actually.

A pro warbow player would be way more pressured by a longbow or two shooting arrows at their direction

One stray arrow would be enough.

[fathom aurora]

I like "just dont be there"

[lapis cipher]

"simply remove yourself from every possible archer sight line"

[unreal patrol]

The lionspire bridge in question

https://tenor.com/view/transitions-kinemaster-black-guy-suit-tiktok-gif-25279479

[inner pecan]

Actually i know what could honestly fix all these issues with 1 change

get rid of the Warbow

[unreal patrol]

My shield rework?

[tall hound]

I expect it's not that much different on the melee side of thing. New player consistently getting stomped by a very skilled (also melee) player they're likely going to avoid them, focus fire on them when they're distracted or any number of other things. This would likely encourage the same thing on the archer side VS fellow archers.

[inner pecan]

Actually i havent read that

[unreal patrol]

You should.

[inner pecan]

Meant too

[inner pecan]

i shall

[lapis cipher]

even the falmire bridge sucks

[vagrant eagle]

ur able to land a hit easier on melee side tho, an archer will only hit 1 target and if they land right and focus on the melee, their hopes of fighting a pro bow user will be now twice as hard while no change in the melee prespective

[unreal patrol]

Im okay with archers being strong but their issue is a lack of counterplay and a lack of risk, while also being easy to play and being potent.

Dane Axe is a pretty powerful weapon and is one of the easiest in the game to use, but it lacks a lot of the tools that high level players use.

[inner pecan]

But honestly think about that lets say we get rid of Warbow. That solves the issue of people chilling back a bit, the high amount of damage, change the bow arrow amount to 12. They aint killing you quickly with a bow

[vagrant eagle]

sure pro users are at risk of dying to an arrow but i cant see that being at all any easy to an archer far away ranging

[unreal patrol]

They wont remove the warbow.

[inner pecan]

I honestly think that would be best for both parties

[unreal patrol]

Volume of fire vs Direct shot

[tall hound]

Debatable, there's a very good chance I would land an arrow on Keeper before I landed a melee swing on Ziggy.

[inner pecan]

Well plus the high miss count an average player has

[vagrant eagle]

why not just introduce a warbow/longbow range damage reduction, if its too far like a spawn its weaker, if its decent range its normal, and closer is a bit extra or the same depending hwo you guys view it

[lapis cipher]

they should add a repeating crossbow that has one clip of 10 bolts with an effective 10 foot range and 15 damage per hit :)

[unreal patrol]

They should add a big pipe shaped like a U that catches the arrow and shoots it back in the same direction.

[inner pecan]

stop it lol

[fathom aurora]

Extreme range isn't aways an issue either. It's the archer standing close behind the melee line that can put absurd pressure onto the other team

[vagrant eagle]

do you really get pressured hard from a random newb archer?

[fathom aurora]

yes

[unreal patrol]

Yes

[fathom aurora]

because I can do nothing to them and they get to plug damage

[thorn robin]

Throw a knife at em

[lapis cipher]

the only good use for the officer knives

[vagrant eagle]

well isnt that the risk you take getting closer to them to hit you effectively? i just keep my distance and move out of the way

[inner pecan]

i seriously dont understand how you guys have that issue

[fathom aurora]

I shall swap to the knives and eat a hit from the 3 others im fighting

[lapis cipher]

I still want to trade those knives for a small shield, but whatever

[vagrant eagle]

knives are better than a shield

[unreal patrol]

Watch even one of my streams

[thorn robin]

Zounds! Me thinks it is a proficiency issue. Hark, good sir, I would suggest to thee that thou practice the throwing knife, posthaste!

[unreal patrol]

I seriously have the worst luck known to man sometimes.

[vagrant eagle]

knives kill archers ez pz

[lapis cipher]

irrelevant

shield looks cooler than knives

[unreal patrol]

You would be baffled to watch four arrows converge on my exact gps location directly into my head and over my shield while I was fighting a 5v1 in the corner of the map far away from the objective. @inner pecan

[fathom aurora]

you just gotta be fighting one or more people and you can't easily escape them to attack the archer. If you don't deal with the archer they will just deal damage to you no matter what you do

[vagrant eagle]

nah throwing aknife beheading an archers head is cooler than a puny shield

[lapis cipher]

it's your sweet italian scent, they can smell it through the screen

[thorn robin]

Wear shitty plain cosmetics, blend into the background. Medieval camouflage

[unreal patrol]

I refuse.

[lapis cipher]

no accounting for taste I guess

[inner pecan]

I actually have been, including the one you went off on i think was sue sue i forget thename

[unreal patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/gentleman-giga-chad-sigma-male-gif-25702945

[fathom aurora]

I did drop my excessive levels of golden armour to curb the archers focusing me a bit

[vagrant eagle]

whenever i see ziggy using a shield with a rapier, it looks ugly, i rather him use a throwing knife with it if he could

[unreal patrol]

Maybe

[lapis cipher]

I'm going to reach through the screen and strangle you

[unreal patrol]

Ive been playing a lot of Exanima, thats a fun game

[vagrant eagle]

[inner pecan]

isnt that the mmo survival medieval game?

[unreal patrol]

I would use the small shield if I could.

[lapis cipher]

that's renown

[inner pecan]

oh renown

[unreal patrol]

No but it is a medieval game, one of the best medieval games out.

[inner pecan]

people from 300 were telling me to play it

[unreal patrol]

Dont.

[lapis cipher]

exanima is funny physics based combat medieval game

[fathom aurora]

you mean horrifying pit of despair

[lapis cipher]

I love it, even though I have yet to clear level 1

[vagrant eagle]

they seriously missed out providing agatha with just a simple reskin mason round shield when they dropped the northern campaign, imagine seeing nordic soldiers with a... kite shield...

[unreal patrol]

Give man at arms the small shield please.

[lapis cipher]

it's only a horrifying pit of depair until you strangle a man with a ladder

[unreal patrol]

Thank you.

[inner pecan]

oh that game isnt that still in early access and was released back in 2015? lol

[lapis cipher]

it's basically a tech demo of their game engine tbh

[unreal patrol]

Theyre making their own game engine and this is the most advanced physics based game, ever.

[pliant trail]

That's like all games nowadays

[unreal patrol]

There is no better physics based game in the entire world.

[inner pecan]

I honestly have that happen to me but not arrows but with dane axes all the time lol

[unreal patrol]

Seriously go check out exanima

[lapis cipher]

this man has never carried one of Seath's man serpents around the archives for 30 minutes

[unreal patrol]

Youd be surprised, it good

Not just a little good

Anyway uhh offtopic woopsie

[inner pecan]

We aint advertising games in this thread lol

Honestly i say remove Warbow and i think it solves all the issues

[unreal patrol]

Archer stinky smelly and stupid and longbow should oneshot archers so the archer counterplay is real and uhhhh, it wont ruin the game for new players and it wont make pro players better.

Or remove warbow if you want I guess

[inner pecan]

I think its the best idea

[unreal patrol]

I think archers oneshotting works better but what do I know?

[lapis cipher]

replace quarterstaff with two handed flail and also roundhouse kick archers

[inner pecan]

Well it removes people from chilling back and sniping with warbow which was an issue, keeps pro's from one shoting newbies, which then forces archers to be closer for an easier engagment with longbow and crossbow for melee players

[unreal patrol]

I think its more interesting with archers dying more instead of playing super safe

[inner pecan]

which is what Warbow allows them to do is play super safe

[unreal patrol]

I bet I could jumpshot a warbow player with longbow of longbow oneshot archers

[inner pecan]

Well how powerful would you make the longbow one shot

cause a warbow user would be chilling back cause thats what i would be doing

[unreal patrol]

Id say just 90 damage

[inner pecan]

So meaning you gotta be close to them

[unreal patrol]

I think crossbow bonus should stay the same which does 87 damage to an archer on a torso shot, I believe

But with Longbow, give it double damage bonus to archers

Then it does a clean 90 on a torso with no falloff

Also longbow is the only bow that has ever given me damage falloff

Never had damage falloff with crossbow or warbow.

[inner pecan]

But now i can chill back with longbow to hit the archers cause i know they aint gonna hit me

[inner pecan]

There is damage falloff for crossbow

but not as big as longbow

[unreal patrol]

If youre landing longshots with longbow, you frankly deserve a medal.

Its slow and has huge arc

[inner pecan]

ty ill take my medal

[unreal patrol]

Hardest projectile to use at longer range

Dane axe is faster

[pliant trail]

TBH that could make a neat thing where each of the bows has a different niche Lbow for Rapid fire and Counter-ranged, Xbow for anti-armour and Longbow for Vanguards and sniping

[unreal patrol]

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[pliant trail]

I read over some of your shield changes and they don't look too bad cuz shields do get battered pretty hard in team battles

[unreal patrol]

Say something in that thread, if you don't mind. 🙏

[wise kraken]

its so over

[thorn robin]

I have the perfect solution to every problem with archers

[leaden mauve]

the worst part about this thread is just that it’s so long that I can’t even scroll back up to see the original post anymore to remember what it said

[lapis cipher]

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[leaden mauve]

ooh thank!

[thorn robin]

it is mostly irrelevant anyhow

mostly just folks biting at each other, unable to accept the fact that skirmishers are better than every other class in the game

[leaden mauve]

skirmisher is that one archer subclass with the javelins right?

[unreal patrol]

Yes

[thorn robin]

It’s the correct way to play archer actually

Especially with throwing axes

[flat pagoda]

Fr?

I'm down to pick up throwing axes if it's good that sounds hilarious

[winged cipher]

Oh damn this thread is still up? What’s up y’all? What’s the news for today?

[thorn robin]

FUCKING HATE ARCHERS

[winged cipher]

yeah?

[thorn robin]

Looks like archers won, what a shame

[lapis cipher]

I think it's just become clear that any attempts at discussion will be derailed by a couple of people arguing for 5 hours, causing any actual discussion to get buried under a mountain of garbage.

[fathom aurora]

It's a shame some just can't seem to fathom there being two sides to this. They only see their own side and everything contrary to that is seen as an attack on them

[lapis cipher]

empathy is a lost art

[worn marsh]

This is from last night gameplay to counter the narrative "Archer trails aren't a risk"

[late forum]

That’s just bad positioning

[thorn robin]

This footage is wrong in of itself. Allow me to explain:

• You are not skirmisher
• You are not using throwing axes

[lost hill]

archer trails are only a risk from other archers

knowing the location of an archer as a melee doesnt stop them from shooting you unless you have a way to get behind cover and still fight, which is situational at best

using a teammate as cover doesnt solve the issue, it only pushes it onto someone else

the biggest part of dealing with an archer, is being able to close the gap and take away their range advantage. which is the hardest part of it. due to 31 other players on their team being able to stop you

[worn marsh]

You claimed they weren’t risk

As always I show proof.

Now enjoy whatever new goal post you make up.

✅ another talking point corrected with facts and gameplay.

[lost hill]

you have a really bad habit of taking something out of context and trying to prove yourself right

the topic at hand when that was said was the interactions between melee and archers.

btw. the only thing those trails did in those clips, was to show you that the archer was aiming for you

awareness would have showed you where the archer was. right?

[thorn robin]

Real talk anyone got the new Imcando hatchet yet??

[late ocean]

its actually been awhile chief 🙂 but yes you did and yes you got me more than i got you melee lol

[late ocean]

youre not the best tho.

[thorn robin]

You’re right, I am

[late ocean]

lol an 8K/D means nothing. that means you hide. youre like #5 on chivstats and not even #1 with warbow lmfaoooo doesnt sound very 31 to me.

[thorn robin]

Okay but I’m the best

[late ocean]

best moron absoultely. youre not even the best archer for the bow you choose

[thorn robin]

Say what you will, but I’m the best

[late ocean]

lmao crayon eatin ass

[thorn robin]

A good point, but I am the best

[brazen olive]

LMAOO dude is so dumb he doesn't even realize you're not keeper 💀💀💀

Also I'm the best sorry sweetie

[thorn robin]

Source???

[brazen olive]

Source: I made it the fuck up

[thorn robin]

Be silent your magic level is probably 10

[worn marsh]

Good try good effort.

[late ocean]

apologies i figured he had to change his anme to avoid the timeout. keeper is booboo

[late ocean]

hiding takes no effort.

[brazen olive]

No worries! I don't think K/D is everything, especially with a weapon as safe as the warbow, but I would say keeper is definitely one of the better archers from what I've seen

[late ocean]

sure hes good, hes not the best though. like i said hes not even 1 for that particular weapon, let alone class. all a high k/d shows especially archer is you hide, and dont engage in combat. Ive played against way better players who obviously dont have that kinda k/d. why? because they dont run away from a fight.

[brazen olive]

I agree that k/d isn't the best indicator of skill, but then again neither is total exp... Sure someone with more free time will have more exp than others, but does it make them better? Not necessarily

[fathom aurora]

judging proficiency based on those leaderboards is flawed logic at best

[brazen olive]

Unless you're judging who is the best spoon user 😤

[fathom aurora]

my ranking is based on extensive tournaments and trials (entered solely by me, but that's besides the point)

[late ocean]

its all we have. i wish the leaderbaords had kill total since mine reset about 3 times. i think after last reset i sit at a lil over 120k kills, I know all time in 2 years I have significantly more than that. is what it is, i just know dude isnt the archer jesus he claims to be since he pewpews from the back and runs from conflict.

[brazen olive]

That's kinda the whole shtick of the warbow to be fair... I'd say he's good at what he does but the weapon also encourages non interactiveness (unless you're fighting another warbow archer)

[fathom aurora]

just know dude isnt the archer jesus he claims to be
At the very least, we all know that 🙂

[late ocean]

fair sure, since id say 99% of warbow players I encounter do just that. its the safest archer weapon period and I have no respect for it regardless of who the player is.

[brazen olive]

It definitely doesn't carry the same stakes using other archer weapons does, that's why I think K/D isn't the greatest measurement there

[late ocean]

absoultely not. shit my k/d is 2.7 with crossbow because I mix it up in melee a ton. plus 1 archer class is most helpful to the team which is xbow since health banner plus extra damage to knights and footman classes

[brazen olive]

I'd say they all help in their own way, but warbow is the one that will definitely reflect the best on your K/D... banner is certainly the strongest special in the game though

I still think keeper is good at what he does, but K/D doesn't mean much to me on archer classes compared to melee

I'd say that your accuracy is probably a better gauge

[late ocean]

like i said, is he good? yes. best at protecting his k/d? no one better. best archer? no. accuracy is so dependent on ping. me on my west servers is very different if i get thrown in east. prob a 30% takedown and kill difference most of the time.

[brazen olive]

Honestly even with low ping your accuracy is at the mercy of the shitty servers... Warbow is definitely your best bet for accuracy with the high projectile speed

[late ocean]

i dont touch warbow almost ever unless im really getting annoyed by someone hunting me. I prefer my banner and axe with xbow all day

[brazen olive]

And I prefer the normal bow :)

Faster paced, higher risk gameplay appeals to me more, as well as the better mobility

[late ocean]

what region and mode do you play? west 40s for me

[lost hill]

warbow effectively made longbow useless.. longbow became much more niche

[brazen olive]

East NA, though currently I'm grinding katars and quarterstaff for skins so not much archer from me lately

[worn marsh]

I had a 101-51-0 game as the longbow Friday night. It’s fine and is just as relevant as Warbow. It just requires a closer play style and quicker reactions.

[late ocean]

sounds like a dark forest attack kinda game. lesbehonest, going anything and 0 as an archer is uh not impressive. I watched gatman melee is way to 61-0 the other night which his actually impressive.

[brazen olive]

Were it not for the takedown threshold change, I think people would not even give the longbow the time of day

It's good for chip damage onto melee but it's pretty inconsistent with its low projectile speed and reliance on a strong melee frontline

[worn marsh]

I have had many 50-0, 60-0 and 70-0 perfect games with the Highlander and 2 hand maul.

It’s just a different play style.

[brazen olive]

Mostly I just think the shitty servers of this game cannot really coexist with low projectile speed weapons

[late ocean]

gatman uses a 1H axe...highlander prob prenerf lol but go off.

[worn marsh]

Please link your perfect Highland, Warbow and Longbow games king.

[lost hill]

having a flawless game as archer isnt impressive.. it just being safe and backing off early

you brag about k/d all the time, but overall it doesnt mean much

[worn marsh]

Please link your perfect games.

[thorn robin]

Thats because I am the best

[lost hill]

please link your IQ test.

[worn marsh]

Oh I forgot you never back up your claims in game. Carry on professor Chiv

[lost hill]

name the claim..

quote where i said i did that

you cant. youre lying.

[worn marsh]

Didn’t say you did

[lost hill]

nice edit.. hmmm

[late ocean]

lmao a perfect game isnt the be all end all. it just shows you play selfish AF

[lost hill]

why do you lie? honestly keeper..

no one here cares. you lie to make yourself look better to complete strangers that dont care about your "skill"

[brazen olive]

I've gotten some perfect longbow games, but they've entirely hinged on having good melee players for sure

[late ocean]

he gives me very smol pp energy.

[lost hill]

exactly. playing archer on the winning melee team makes it so much easier to do better

[worn marsh]

I get it boys

It’s not impressive

You just don’t want to do it

[lost hill]

or.. or.. hear me out

getting a flawless game.. is boring, because there is no risk.

[worn marsh]

Right no risk at all

[lost hill]

you want to get better, you have to push your limits. you have to put yourself in sketchy situations and figure out how to get out

sadly, if youre melee and an archer is looking. good luck

[late ocean]

if i wanted to hide in the back the entire game amd be bored yes. youre not impressive or the best beacuse you hide you gremlin

[lost hill]

"i shot an arrow and my trail gave me position away.. thats a risk!!"-keeper

im calling it now.

[worn marsh]

I’m learning that playing Archer as an Archer isn’t impressive.

Playing perfect games isn’t impressive

But playing … I don’t know what you guys do honestly. Just hate?

Please link your full gameplays so I can learn what it is you guys do that is more impactful and skillful, I would love to learn it.

[lost hill]

playing archer as an archer isnt impressive.. because it doesnt take much skill

basic aim and "decent" positioning.. youre at the mercy of your frontline.. your success completely hinges on how well they play.

keeper.. for the 82nd time..

I
AM
NOT
CLAIMING
TO
BE
BETTER
THAN
YOU

hopefully you can read that.

[late ocean]

alright its been real. I got your mother coming over for dinner, gotta listen to her brag about her sons 8kd while she makes me her famous meatloaf. BOW DOWN TO THE WORLDS #5 ARCHER GUYS.

[thorn robin]

I am

[worn marsh]

I look forward to gameplay from both of you, you don’t have to be better than me. Just show your gameplay and how you play, no need to be upset or scared to do it.

If you want to criticize others full gameplay you shouldn’t be afraid to show yours.

Good luck and if you need tips on how to stream the game or upload it let me know.

[late ocean]

i dont need to show gameplay. im above you in archery. wanna watch? 40s west coast 9-11pm

byeeeeeeeeeeee

[lost hill]

did i critize your gameplay?

because i dont think i did.

[worn marsh]

Good luck bud! I can’t deal with the boredom of 20v20. But glad you found something you can handle.

Just tag me when you decide to share that gameplay.

[worn marsh]

You have a bunch lol. But if you want to go that route it’s fine, let me know when you upload a full game. It’s always fun to see how others who say you play wrong actually play.

Good luck and I can’t wait!

[lost hill]

so.. why dont you ever join other players in the game directly?

you say we're scared to post our gameplay

but i honestly think youre scared to play against players that arent your casual default archers..

[lost hill]

also.. ive gone over this SEVERAL TIMES

archer is a very dynamic class because it allows a multitude of playstyles...

your playstyle is longer range warbow, hence why you brag about your k/d so much.. because youre rarely in danger to something that isnt another archer

i also noticed that most of the gameplay you post.. is on offense, which is easier for archers to play because youre not having to retreat

[thorn robin]

I am the greatest it’s true

[pallid plume]

Everything here seems fine and I like your thinking.

Only thing is the third idea of archers sending each other back to spawn with a single bodyshot.

As fine as I am with making another archer suddenly stop shooting, I think another way is to deal 90% hp damage and pin them as if they stood on a beartrap, forcing them to limp away to heal up or risk it and keep fighting.

That way they can still be present near the fight rather than hiking back from spawn but not in a way where they'll shrug off the arrow and keep pestering the battle.

[sharp root]

Making warbow body shot archers just leads to the issue of archers now playing their own game on the side

[pallid plume]

That too

[thorn robin]

The ultimate goal is to have a team working together after all

[fathom aurora]

I think that's the point, make archers more of a threat to each other.

[pallid plume]

They already are, we need to make the objective and getting close to the battle more appealing rather than giving them all sorts of deterrents

[sharp root]

But that sucks

It sucked in chivalry 1

It sucked in Mordhau

You were just forced to use 1 ranged weapon or in the case of mord forced to pick a specific perk

And all you’re doing is looking for other archers

[pallid plume]

Longbows were more annoying in Mord as the guy didn't have any class diffrerences, could wear whatever they liked and would happily kite away. They hit their shots more often too. Showbowmen were a special breed and would demolish you if you weren't careful.

In chiv, it's a joke, one I partake in out of spite and laughs rather than "murdering everone"

[worn marsh]

Archer vs Archer doesn’t need a buff at all lol. Go play 32v32 TO , your #1 priority as an Archer is other Archers.

This entire suggestion is just proof the people supporting it and the person made it don’t play or understand the class outside the respawn screen.

Making a Longbow and Crossbow one shot other archers is already in the game …it’s called a headshot, trying to lower the skill floor and making their body shots kill also would just make controllers become the meta and that is not a healthy alternative to learning to aim. It would just be worse complaints of controller aim assists.

Skirmisher are not anti-archer nor a Warbow, so making them kill all other archers in 1 shot is also wasting their design which is anti-Melee close range projectiles. Move them out of Archer if you want to change their weakness, but guess what you just increased the amount of bows.

This whole post is just a massive boost to controller archers and the absolute zero foresight to see it.

[unreal patrol]

God you are embarrassing.

[worn marsh]

Good effort at acting like an adult, now try again.

[thorn robin]

Skirmishers kill knights with throwing axes

…in my fantasy world at least

[worn marsh]

I think that is 100% one of the rarest ways for a Knight dying lol.

[thorn robin]

Try it, it’s fun

Throwing axes might suck but it’s hilarious getting a ranged decap

[worn marsh]

If they make a patch soon , I will use my Alt to just level up throwing Axes lol. I bet I could get top 10 pretty quick.

[thorn robin]

Use your bear trap

[unreal patrol]

Thought you didnt have an alt.

[worn marsh]

I have always said I have had an Alt on Chiv, Not on your server or here like you claim though.

Paying attention to what I type would help you here.

[thorn robin]

Ziggy what’s your opinion on giving Skirmisher the greatsword

[unreal patrol]

Keeper try not to lie challenge (impossible)

[unreal patrol]

Give it to footman first, then sure

[worn marsh]

As you lie about me lmao

[unreal patrol]

Everyone gets a greatsword

And you get a greatsword and you get a greatsword

Government issue greatswords

[unreal patrol]

Opinion on giving acher players a unique cosmetic (leprosy)?

[thorn robin]

Already exists

Man just split Skirmisher from archer, make it the fifth class #SkirmisherRichGang

[unreal patrol]

On one hand

Javelins are pretty awful to get thrown at you constantly

On the other hand, skirmisher gets a raw deal by being killed so easy by archers, having an archer healthpool and not really getting much else to compensate

[thorn robin]

Let em have that one at least brother

Skirmisher has a black lung

[unreal patrol]

I also find javelin to be a little less bullshit

But they also have another major issue that I feel, along with the 1h spear

The special is bullshit, you can be an absolute piece of shit with it

If javelin and 1h spear got fixed specials, then javelin would be pretty fair tbh

Then I would be extra sure about giving them some buffs and support

I can pick up a javelin and use it in melee and abuse pretty much any player that has less than 500 hours because of how gross you can be with it

Stab, special, stab, special, stab, special

[thorn robin]

I almost never use my javelin in melee I just swap to my axe

[fathom aurora]

Jav is good in melee

[unreal patrol]

Try stabbing someone and then if they get hit, combo to special, then after the special whether blocked or not do another stab

The only risk of failure is if you miss or if they parry the stab and riposte

And a lot of people who arent great will panic or get desperate for a turn to attack

But thats the joke

They dont get a turn

Its almost always your turn

[pallid plume]

It'd be cool if they brought back the light/heavy javlin like from chiv 1

[thorn robin]

Nah I don’t like using the jav for melee

[worn marsh]

What I think also and why they shouldn't change the class until then.

[thorn robin]

See now what we need is a sling for Skirmisher

[fathom aurora]

Which is why a full rework of the class would be the best solution, but it's never gonna happen so we do what we can to make archers less frustrating to play against.

[sharp root]

No one even knows what a rework would look like

[worn marsh]

They just need to move Skirmisher to a 5th "Utility" class role or something and give them better options.

Sling / Light Jav and Heavy would be nice.

It would be the equivlent of Bow, Crossbow and Warbow.

[sharp root]

Not even you

[fathom aurora]

It probably won't be easy but it's the only way

[thorn robin]

A sling is great utility

[fathom aurora]

It'd be a hell of a lot easier if we had private servers so modders could experiment with class changes

[worn marsh]

I cringe to think of what the first few "community" balance patches will look like.

[brazen olive]

Add rubberized shields to reflect projectiles to sender 🧠

[fathom aurora]

Or you could be against the idea because it might be "cringe", if you had the mentality of a toddler

[worn marsh]

I wish they would introduce spiked shields, would make them fun to play against.

[brazen olive]

Spiked shield with a slower but more damaging jab would be pretty cool

[unreal patrol]

I wouldn't trust the general community to make educated balance decisions.

I also wouldn't fully trust the hyper competitive people either, even if they're the best players in the game.

[fathom aurora]

They dont make the decisions, but it would allow drastic changes to be made and tested

[inner pecan]

I agree with that 100%

[brazen olive]

I don't think they've ever stated they had the intention of adding private servers or supporting mods, right?

With how slow progress is it seems like a pipe dream

[inner pecan]

Honestly our only hope is Zain for private server.

[tall hound]

Both actually!

Private servers have been on the roadmap since launch but obviously with no timeline, for SDK they said they had "Every intention of making it available" in the old Discord Q&A's.

[fathom aurora]

intentions but little action, which is why we're stuck here theory crafting game changes

[brazen olive]

You're everywhere... Big brother is watching 👀

[tall hound]

All the moderators were pinged into this thread

[brazen olive]

Lmao

[fathom aurora]

they need a shield

[lapis cipher]

they need Thorne's health pool

[fathom aurora]

And it would be seen in gameplay. but it's better than theory crafting by text

[thorn robin]

So we are all in agreement that Skirmisher needs more stamina yes??

[flat pagoda]

If you're the type of dude typing out insults in a a shitty discord thread, go outside and get some bitches. Someone earlier said any real discussion is getting drowned out with garbage and they're right

Also longbow should be throwable change my mind

[thorn robin]

It is

[flat pagoda]

😱

[sharp root]

I thought insulting people was the point of this thread

[flat pagoda]

This is why we can't have proximity chat

[worn marsh]

I played Halo 2/3 and COD which has Proxy, this game would be tame and lame.

"How's that long sword taste muh lord"

Or other equally cringe attempts at RP

But a bard playing Bardcore music in fights would be hilarious

[flat pagoda]

Cringe take but also which CoD has proxy chat??

[worn marsh]

The new one in Warzone, you also have death Mike's.

[flat pagoda]

I know cod has death hotmic

[thorn robin]

Archer Death Mic

When someone is killed by an archer you hear them

[unreal patrol]

When you kill an archer, you are able to hear him write in his notebook that lists the names of all players who have ever killed him, so he knows who to run away from and who to target and teabag

[tepid hinge]

My list is pretty dam small my killed is way bigger lol.

[thorn robin]

I only teabag when I’m teabagged

Otherwise autocommend every time

[tall hound]

It's the javelin archer way

[thorn robin]

For me it’s the throwing axe. The best skirmisher weapon

[worn marsh]

Ya for sure mine is 140,000 killed and only 17,000 killed me.

What a wild insult lmao

You also tea bag every single person you see die, even your own Archers.

[unreal patrol]

There's a throwing axe archer named Testbot

His main gimmick is putting down the most elaborate beartraps I've ever seen

No one else tricks me with beartraps, just him

love the guy

[worn marsh]

Neat

[tepid hinge]

Right lol. I teabag player when the teabag me first or when they have to jump an archer.

[unreal patrol]

Most "good" archer players teabag unprovoked from my experience.

They do it to bait you in and try to make you upset. One of them is here right now.

[worn marsh]

I still don't get the irrational anger players get when tea bagged in this game or any game.

Just weird people

[unreal patrol]

You'd have to be some sort of psycho to enjoy making other people upset that you'd dedicate your entire personality specifically to it.

[worn marsh]

Thanks for calling me good peach!

[fathom aurora]

when I say certain words to certain people they get upset and I just don't know why

[worn marsh]

Are you comparing words to getting tea bagged? Oh man what a take

[unreal patrol]

I can only pray that some people get the mental health help they need.

[fathom aurora]

stop replying to me for attention, UGH

[worn marsh]

You of all people should know not to joke about others mental health.

[unreal patrol]

I don't have to look to know he's seething.

[thorn robin]

I do try to bait people into beartraps it’s quite humorous and both parties get a giggle out of it

[worn marsh]

"I'm pretending to ignore you"

[fathom aurora]

weird when people reply to those they blocked. right? RIGHT!?

[unreal patrol]

An interactive interaction is way more fun than a one-sided one.

You shoot a guy with an arrow and he got hit and he dies and there wasn't much he can do about it.

But when you fool someone? That's a genuine thing and if level headed, both parties are usually satisfied.

[thorn robin]

Punch the arrow

Literally easy as fuck

[unreal patrol]

I always like being tricked.

It was something I fell for that I could've just not fallen for.

[worn marsh]

Over extending is something you can not fall for pretty easily

[thorn robin]

The best bear traps are most obvious ones

[unreal patrol]

Oh yeah it's wild.

[thorn robin]

Throw it smack dab in the field and someone will walk into it

[unreal patrol]

Testbot is a master of beartraps.

I've never spoken a word to them and yet I have respect for them.

[thorn robin]

But it’s more funny when it’s in a bush and some silly Billy chases the archer

[unreal patrol]

I remember when this guy like, put down a beartrap and died

and it was left over and I didn't know

[worn marsh]

You placed them under ammo boxes or carts? There are a few you can place those and the same with Archer spikes. It actually makes the spikes disappear so you can't see them. Pretty dirty

[unreal patrol]

so I go to get him and fall victim to his beartrap, then after I get back up, he gets me with a new one

[thorn robin]

Bottom line is that someone notices it they usually take time to dismantle it, leaving them potentially open

Bear traps best weapon

[unreal patrol]

It's a shame you can't restock them.

Very easy QoL improvement.

[thorn robin]

It’s a shame because it would give Skirmisher some good support. But fuck archers

[unreal patrol]

Engineers too, you know.

😔 The furtive engineer, so easily forgotten.

[fathom aurora]

same with the bundle of paper straws pretending to be a spike barricade

[unreal patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/hands-fire-dark-souls-furtive-pygmy-gif-17526162

[thorn robin]

Anyways yeah give Skirmisher the sling

[unreal patrol]

Sling is a scary weapon to give because if it functions like it did in Chivalry 1, you'd just constantly run circles and never be able to be caught and with an infinite ammo projectile weapon.

[thorn robin]

Ok but it’s funny as fuck

[unreal patrol]

Chivalry 1 has kills and assists as opposed to takedowns (just incase someone here hasn't) and I remember watching a pebble sling archer topscore with 5 kills, 15 deaths and 98 assists.

Pure torture for everyone else because projectiles flinch in that game.

And if you control your movement, it's borderline impossible for anyone to actually catch you.

And even if they did die, it usually doens't matter because you respawn in a few seconds.

[thorn robin]

Easy remedy to one issue is to simply make them not flinch. Like katars

I don’t imagine it would do a lot of damage either and wouldn’t have the best range

[flat pagoda]

King shit

[thorn robin]

I commend you

[pallid plume]

small visual profile
faster swings
people underestimate you despite it's ap bonus
makes a funny bonk sound
faster reload
slightly larger hitbox as it's a spinning object and not a needle

[thorn robin]

Also decaps on headshot adding to the funny factor

[fathom aurora]

dying to that melee hit sound is genuinely humiliating

[thorn robin]

Throwing axe in melee is actually quite funny

Especially when I dodge and yeet one at them

[pallid plume]

I love it when I land a blow and use the initiative to doink someone else who's coming at my side

[thorn robin]

So yeah archers won the discussion

[pallid plume]

I'm just glad this didn't dissolve like salt

[violet rover]

2 more words from all classes player: if you hate archers -

1. stop playing only vanguard
2. realize that archer with good dps probably can do 2 times more dps if play melee
   ☺️

[late forum]

1. crossbow exists(knights)
2. at least i’d be able to reliably counter them(readable animations help) most archers don’t know how to counter so idk about that

[pallid plume]

An understandable statement but a little rash don't you think

[lilac jacinth]

Soter Dave Top fragged in the recent 64p Medieval Fighting League (competitive) as a crossbowman

[thorn robin]

That must mean archer is op because YouTuber

[vagrant eagle]

i mean if it was a competitive TO game that makes sense, melee players will die easier or make it harder to die. a good crossbow man will do better in terms of killing someone in that and have range

[lilac jacinth]

more like when all else equal, and crossbow pushed near its limits, it is very very strong

[thorn robin]

Nope. Throwing Axe is way stronger and is the superior archer weapon

[inner pecan]

No sling superior

[thorn robin]

Oh yeah

[late forum]

Why didn’t they just counter the arrows tho?

[vagrant eagle]

probably wasn't too aware or too occupied to see

[late forum]

more people should really stop fighting to counter arrows! amirite?

[thorn robin]

Use shield

[lapis cipher]

they should add a firing squad mode that's 10 archers vs 6 melee classes

[atomic stratus]

Do archers get melee weapons?

[lapis cipher]

does a firing squad get knives to finish the job if they miss?

[atomic stratus]

I dunno, maybe?

[lapis cipher]

I also don't know tbh

[thorn robin]

Me after an archer hits me

[silent cipher]

just put a level cap on Archer and if anyone wants to main it they have to pay for the privilege and make new accounts

[brazen olive]

Just charge crowns per arrow fired

[thorn robin]

Ayla, stop being toxic. First warning

[brazen olive]

No

[thorn robin]

Second warning

[brazen olive]

Report me to lemonater

Take me to jail

[fathom aurora]

Yes, because arrows ignore melee mechanics

[fathom aurora]

Is there a stream vod of this?

[thorn robin]

Yup

[fallen gust]

@pallid plume my fellow OCE archer friend, how goes thee?

I love archers ❤️

[pallid plume]

I am well

[thorn robin]

I don’t care much for archers

[pallid plume]

Well, I never made it this far with other people's feelings as one.

[lilac jacinth]

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1854215283

[lost hill]

soooo,,,,archer devalues skill?

youre litterally admitting to archer being able to kill skilled players better than melee can

yet youre still trying to hold out saying that the class in fine

why do people not realize that theyre giving mixed opinions

[vagrant eagle]

I hardly think it devalues skill when a person is distracted, i shot someone while they arent able to glance the battlefield, distracted trying to stay alive, crossbow shoots them, simple as. Stop using everything to gut a class Random, you've been debated to a point you started posting TeamFortress2 Video's to justify yourself.

[lilac jacinth]

man, you're right, I was too distracted by the 30 melee players in front of me utilizing every mechanic in the game to its fullest potential to notice the crossbowman perched on a ledge using a program to trick the game into thinking he was using a controller thereby giving him aim assist. I should be more aware next time to avoid the unblockable 117dmg to the "Tank" class that I often sustain due to my own negligence.

[worn marsh]

Archery is a mechanic also even if you don't use it.

Also all arrows are blockable damage

Weird

[vagrant eagle]

it doesn't matter if it was an archer that killed said persons was my point, the person was distracted, anyone doing ranged or flanking would've had a upper hand in those fights due to them being occupied as anyone else that has played this game. Random doesn't provide good feedback and has changed why an archer is op 40 times, anyone else can suggest something that isnt overkill but he just wants to gut the archer or provide an op buff that makes archer class lose its role. if you die to a random arrow/bolt/throwing projectile/ stabbing in the back while distracted thats just misfortune and a opportunity to anyone on the other end

[lilac jacinth]

arrows are unblockable damage

[vagrant eagle]

you chose that position, expect the risk of randomness or whatever can go on. i accept the risk of breaking through a line being hit right in the ass from someone in the same line to stop me or being shot by someone

[worn marsh]

Shield

[lilac jacinth]

no shield

[worn marsh]

You make that call

[fathom aurora]

guess which class can't block melee damage

[vagrant eagle]

horse

[worn marsh]

Tangent! This is what happens when you get shut down. My favorite part

[lilac jacinth]

No you make that call

[fathom aurora]

is it? we're discussing what damage can be blocked. 0/12 classes cannot block melee damage, 9/12 melee classes cannot block arrows

[worn marsh]

No an arrow is 100% blockable in this game. Your inability to pick the thing that block it doesn't mean you can use "muh unblockable damage" as a talking point. It's just a poor choice on your part.

[lilac jacinth]

Would have should have could have, you're just theorizing (without experience) against legitimate evidence

[worn marsh]

What does this have to do with Arrows being blockable? The answer is nothing you are deflecting

[vagrant eagle]

"against legitimate evidence"

are you saying you never been flanked or shot while distracted

[fathom aurora]

it shows a heavy imbalance in the game combat where archers can do things no other class can

[vagrant eagle]

are you gonna blame you being distracted a game problem

a spear stabs you, are you gonna blame the game

[worn marsh]

So again what does that have to do with admitting and Arrow is blockable or not?

[lilac jacinth]

An arrow is 100% unblockable for 75% of classes default loadout. Your ability to pick up an object that can block arrows doesn't mean you can use "muh block shield" as a talking point. It's just a poor choice on your part

[worn marsh]

That's irrelevant, you claimed it was unblockable damage.

What you are doing is moving the goal post to avoid saying "it is blockable".

[late forum]

you can’t tie stabbing in the back with arrows i’m sorry

[vagrant eagle]

you can in this argument, dave went for targets unaware and other persons in the open, you take that risk against a crossbow

[lilac jacinth]

That's irrelecant, you claimed it was blockable damage.

What you are doing is moving the goal post to avoid saying "it is unblockable".

[vagrant eagle]

these people arent focused on a person and that person takes advantage

[worn marsh]

Can a shield block it? Yes or no

[fathom aurora]

you're claiming arrows are blockable since a minority of classes have that tool, yet ALL classes have the tools to deal with melee damage

[vagrant eagle]

its the same as someone backstabbing you or using a bow or throwing something while ur not looking

[worn marsh]

Can a shield block it? Yes or no

[lilac jacinth]

Can 75% of classes block it? Yes or no

[vagrant eagle]

or stabbing you wit a spear on the side

[worn marsh]

Answer my question not deflect

[late forum]

i’m sorry but a stab is a readable and easily counterable animation and arrows are different

[lilac jacinth]

Answer my question not deflect

[vagrant eagle]

again this is when the persn is distracted

[fathom aurora]

sounds like you're deflecting?

[vagrant eagle]

not when ur looking at the person

have you stabbed someones ass while they were busy

[lilac jacinth]

u were there?

[late forum]

That there own felt for the stab but either way it’s not the same as an arrow

[fathom aurora]

I think the worse issue with archers in being fully aware yet unable to do anything about taking that damage

[worn marsh]

The fact you both are refusing to admit a shield blocks an Arrow is hilarious

[fathom aurora]

Then stop refusing to admit arrows are unblockable

[worn marsh]

Does the shield not exist in your game?

[late forum]

when you say arrows are blockable at least mention you have to have a shield

[fathom aurora]

Not on most classes I play

[worn marsh]

Literally have multiple times

[vagrant eagle]

the debate isnt if the weapons are the same, the debate is distracted and being open as always to randomess killing you like someone you never saw killing you from a spear on the side, a ambusher flanking you, a archer shooting you a few meters back

[lilac jacinth]

The fact you are refusing to admit arrows are unblockable is hilarious

[vagrant eagle]

they are debating something else

[late forum]

Arrows are blockable is what you said in a reply no mention of the only way

[worn marsh]

I'm sorry you aren't able to be mature and talk with integrity here.

[fathom aurora]

HAHAAHA

god you're funny

[worn marsh]

Thanks man

[lilac jacinth]

I'm sorry you aren't able to be mature and talk with integrity here.

[fathom aurora]

irony so think it can block arrows

[worn marsh]

Do I need to make a video on how to select a shield?

[late forum]

if i’m distracted and didn’t counter or get active parry for the stab that’s on me but i can’t get active parry for an arrow nor can i stop what i’m doing to reliably counter it

[fathom aurora]

@brazen olive we heard you about comments to moved here

[late forum]

and i’m not sitting like a duck to block it

for free damage

[lilac jacinth]

what about an archer that you see right in front of you, but you can't get to him because Kwazi, KC, Bungee, and Randy are blocking your path?

[lilac jacinth]

that would be helpful yes

[fathom aurora]

Same applies when you scale the skill level down to standard TO players

[worn marsh]

If I get time I will make you a video man, I'm sorry you haven't figured out the shield yet. God speed and good luck against those arrows until then.

[late forum]

we only balance around level ones

Because only 5% abuse archer

[lilac jacinth]

thank you, I'll need it as they are unblockable

[fathom aurora]

arrows are even unblockable by other archers but I guess you didnt know that with how little you play archer

[vagrant eagle]

dont go for him then and reposition, the scenario isnt gonna be common but if its a game of all high compeititive players but since it was people were fighting for the objs, dave got mvp but he obviously didn't help much with the objs loading that thing and missing and getting people distracted. do you want a crossbow man to be even closer?

[fathom aurora]

arguing while not understanding mechanics, some people

[worn marsh]

Skirmisher can block them, but good try!

Do you want to guess how?

[fathom aurora]

i guess everyone just plays with javelins now

that's fine, those are blockable

[lilac jacinth]

Ah man, I tried to reposition but I was shot with a magnetic crossbow bolt to the back of the head for 117dmg and died

[worn marsh]

Oh man that's 2 claims back to back shut down. Peak misinformation

[lapis cipher]

I have declared myself the winner

also why did we move here

[fathom aurora]

if you jam your fingers in your ears any harder you might find a brain

[vagrant eagle]

ah damn man, thats a shame, im sorry that you were a target for my weapon meant for somewaht range and weak body that can be 2 shotted or 1 sometimes. i should sit in the front line then and be killed by also competitive maxed players, im surely to survive

[fathom aurora]

You're doing the keeper thing and injecting what you want people to say, when really we just want defence against arrows

[lilac jacinth]

use a shield to survive in the frontlines better 👍

[fathom aurora]

lol

[vagrant eagle]

so you want ranged weapons to deal less damage

[lapis cipher]

must pick a class that has more survivability on the frontlines

[late forum]

only problem with shield is it’s unless when you start fighting

[fathom aurora]

I would like a skill based mechanic (not guessing) that can negate their damage

[vagrant eagle]

i havent even brought up the shield

no point to mention the shield when im not even saying that, sure a shield will increase ur odds of survivability but a crossbow, a bow, a thrown object will kill you still if distracted

if you want to debate you couldnt get to dave behind said persons idk what to ask you since he is a lower hp build that ranges

[fathom aurora]

Thing is, if you DO get through that mass of players to get to the archer, any with two braincells will pull out their melee weapon and can now negate your damage until a new spawn wave apears

maybe just remove melee wepaons from archers

It would solve many issue. They can hit through blocks, they don't get to block. simple

[vagrant eagle]

hold up this wasn't a spawn area though, wasnt this lionspire

i understand ur reasons but thats different reasons on dave

[lilac jacinth]

[fathom aurora]

was this a specific area? I thought it was a hypothetical on good players playing archer

[vagrant eagle]

dave shot people distracted and not even paying attention + anyone injured

[late forum]

by distracted do you mean fighting?

[vagrant eagle]

they werent even going for him

[late forum]

because when distracted arrows are unblockable

[fathom aurora]

it doesn't have to be a spawn area to be in range of the spawn wave moving to the battle

[vagrant eagle]

he was up, or on the side, he had a clear views to shoot peoples backs or heads

[lilac jacinth]

how do you know that dave shot people distracted?

[vagrant eagle]

they werent aware of him

[lilac jacinth]

I was

[late forum]

when they were fighting right?

therefore shield is null and you get no active parry so

[vagrant eagle]

why are you bringing up the shield

whoops i meant that for tyne

[late forum]

because everybody loves that “counter” to archers

[lilac jacinth]

@vagrant eagle you're the stats guy and thats great, but you're just making this stuff up and theorizing, sure that has its place but really means nothing and holds no significance on whether or not to make any change to archer

[fathom aurora]

I like that more than one user with issues with the archer class turned up and keeper decided to run away

[vagrant eagle]

you were, and you described anyone that could be behind a line still dealing damage still, distraction and you going for him are probably gonna end with you dying because ur A. distracted, you die B. ur charging a crowd of players that are competitive and good at the game forming a line ur gonna die in most instances with a spear behind lines or anyone else as well

do you perfer less damage from said archers?

because ur still gonna die the same way from the players

im not gonna let you as a melee player break through a line and let you kill an archer or survive to endanger the rest of the line

[fathom aurora]

and yet the archer gets to keep doing damage

with 0 risk

[lilac jacinth]

I don't know what to say to that because I never did any of those things and you're being quite incoherent

[vagrant eagle]

then what did you do

what made you die to dave

[lilac jacinth]

existing

[vagrant eagle]

[fathom aurora]

being near the objective. going to the objective. being near enemy players

being on the map

[lilac jacinth]

not hiding behind a wall

[fathom aurora]

not hiding in a corner like lemon

[lilac jacinth]

not being in spectator

not being on dave's team

[vagrant eagle]

the point here is that, ranged will always be behind melee players, they arent gonne endanger themselves to melee so they hide behind protection. less further if they use a crossbow/skirmisher

what would you do to fix these

[fathom aurora]

and they get to hand out free damage

[vagrant eagle]

because at these points he wasnt even near the spawn but he was sure protected

[fathom aurora]

from this area of safety. it's an issue

[vagrant eagle]

isnt that more of a map issue for allowing players to form lines and have archers being able to sit back then and no paths to flank around for each team to kill said archers? again what is ur fix on this really

[fathom aurora]

I've probably said spawn a lot but a big issue is archer right outside the melee cluster. you cannot disengage to kill them as you will die to melee. you can fight the melee but you get plugged with arrows

[lilac jacinth]

ima be real, I don't care about any archer players because I get to run my own events that ban them, private servers will be coming soon and I won't have to ever deal with them as much. See because the problem isn't one mechanic or another, the problem is that they exist

[fathom aurora]

better flanks would be nice, it would help somewhat

[late forum]

I like it, straight to the point

[vagrant eagle]

then tell devs to fix the maps up to allow more routes on flanking

[fathom aurora]

how would you feel if you could block arrows with regular blocking mechanics?

[vagrant eagle]

if you wanna debate the spawn archer problem thats a whole other issue that needs resolving

[late forum]

just give active parry for arrows

[vagrant eagle]

but that needs to be resolved to not effect 95% of the playerbase and just the small minority abusing it

[fathom aurora]

it would be a bandaid to the issue of archers bypassing blocks

imo

[worn marsh]

I didn't run away lol, I watched you both refuse to admit you were wrong and keep going on tangents.

It's what you always do, it's to be expected and the only way to stop you is to stop responding.

[fathom aurora]

you'd know

[worn marsh]

Whatever helps you cope with more of your talking points failing

[fathom aurora]

0 self awareness

[worn marsh]

So in closing here

Are arrows able to be blocked by shields?

A simple yes or no only, if you bring up another tangent you are admitting you can't handle being wrong.

[fathom aurora]

yes they can be blocked by shields. Now what opinion are you going to put in my mouth this time?

what a wonderfully loaded question

[worn marsh]

Wait if they can be blocked do they still do damage?

Yes or no

[fathom aurora]

I suppose it would be a no, and I suppose we're going to forget all the other classes in the game right after this

[worn marsh]

Well hell, there goes the "unblockable damage" claim.

My job is done, another talking point falls

[fathom aurora]

and thus, he forgets all the other classes

[worn marsh]

That's a tangent and I don't chase those

[fathom aurora]

lmao

[worn marsh]

You admitted arrows don't do "unblockable damage" that goes against your very claim they did do unblockable damage

[fathom aurora]

ah, i got tired of prefacing every sentence with "on most classes". I've said it so much it seemed implied but I forgot you're too stupid to understand that

my bad, i won't change how I adress it this time though

[worn marsh]

A classic toothless insult, thanks man

[fathom aurora]

listen if you come across like an idiot I'm going to call you an idiot, really it's your fault for not taking the right actions

[worn marsh]

You made the claim about "unblockable damage" not me, don't be hard on yourself.

[fathom aurora]

It's not my fault you keep forgetting about 9/12 of the classes

[fathom aurora]

and that you don't understand what moving the goalposts even means. It's on you, make better choices

[worn marsh]

What classes are you counting that can block arrows?

[lilac jacinth]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1110814303692537856/1124111934669717664/image0.gif

[fathom aurora]

well, 3 of them I suppose. 12-9 is 3. as you cannot do simple math

[worn marsh]

Again, what classes are you counting.

[lilac jacinth]

where's my shield video noob

I need a shield!

[worn marsh]

I just finished the script for it, still need to record bud. I'm excited for you!

[fathom aurora]

and I didnt even bring up the leading questions

[worn marsh]

Again what classes are you counting that can block arrows, just name them. It's a simple question I thought.

[fathom aurora]

kepper doesnt seem to know what classes have shields, im concerned he doesnt have the knowledge required to have a valid opinion in this discord

[worn marsh]

I'm confused why you won't answer this

[fathom aurora]

im not a dipsenser of basic knowledge

I have deemed you invalid, good day!

[worn marsh]

Are you just strictly misinformation?

I asked you to clarify something and you won't even answer. Maybe later you will, I will check.

[brazen olive]

https://tenor.com/view/antman-what-the-hell-happened-here-avengers-gif-18240147

[fathom aurora]

we laughed, we cried, we learned keeper doesn't actually know which classes have shields

quite the day

[worn marsh]

What a great way of you avoiding saying

“ I lied about arrows being unblockable damage again and had to be walked into a simple yes or no question to be corrected”

Always neat to see how people spin stuff

[fathom aurora]

@vagrant eagle I just found this amusing https://clips.twitch.tv/DirtyBoringLobsterAMPEnergyCherry-MkBWJ_acY70LLbL7

[worn marsh]

Doesn’t hold up shield, gets hit on the weapon side.

Tries to use that as an example of them not working.

I love how you guys post stuff like this thinking it helps you.

[atomic stratus]

I don’t think you even need to hold up the shield, just having it in the general direction of where you’re being shot from should passively block it

[worn marsh]

It’s passive on the shield side, he was shot on the weapon side.

[fathom aurora]

since it drops to the side it's not a very practical way to stand

[worn marsh]

When he holds it up it is a 180 degree wall* ahead for blocking his whole body

When he isn’t holding it is 180 on the shield side only

[vagrant eagle]

honestly i wouldnt mind a shield facing a lil more forward when taken out, being tilted doesnt serve much. random wanted the shield at the front on exposing urself in afight animation tho which i disliked and dictated where a archer should movve making situations like these a archer unable to provide aid to the team

[atomic stratus]

I see, just duel wield shields then for 360 degree coverage

[fathom aurora]

could do. Random's suggestion also has the issue of messing with melee animations. But even slightly inwards it still only has a hitbox that's accurate to its size

[brazen olive]

New subclass just dropped https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXp8Th41rBs

[atomic stratus]

https://youtu.be/_A7UZFzsrn8

[fathom aurora]

Though it does highlight that a shield only really works while holding it up (and that nukes stamina), so it only works when approacing archers and if you're in melee holding block (which is a bad idea since that nukes stamina)

[vagrant eagle]

holy shit that looks fun af

[thorn robin]

Archers win again

[late forum]

misconception

[thorn robin]

https://tenor.com/view/slenderla2-gif-3016664853626719831

[fathom aurora]

this is a tangent and a deflection

[thorn robin]

My statement cannot be safely and reliably countered

[fathom aurora]

actually if you go to the bottom of a well in siberia you will find the counter, this proves it's perfectly counterable

[thorn robin]

do you have a source?

wait a second

THE SOURCE IS THE WELL

[fathom aurora]

unbreakable logic

[atomic stratus]

Just like arrows lmao

[late forum]

if only they listened

[thorn robin]

https://tenor.com/view/arbiter-were-it-so-easy-halo-difficult-gif-16171194

[late forum]

https://tenor.com/view/futurama-fry-indeed-leonardo-phillip-gif-19015458

[inner pecan]

archers just need to be deleted

[lost hill]

i find it funny that the people who say:

"arrows are 100% blockable damage".

are the same players who cant consistantly counter arrows

archers on paper arent overpowered... in gameplay, they can be quite oppressive and unfun to play against.

[pallid plume]

You need to be deleted/j

[inner pecan]

I requested it but was denied

[pallid plume]

Then you're loved

[tepid hinge]

No people just need to get a life and psychological help. A character in a game shouldnt trigger people this much.

[pallid plume]

The only way I'd suggest going about it is consoling their frustrations as it's understandable when you get pelted or even completely destroyed by a ranged person as you're trundling your way to an objective.

That way we get a perfectly good reason to make fun of em when they continue being toxic about it
/j

[soft sequoia]

How do I get aim assist on PC

I think that’s a fair middle ground

[thorn robin]

This guy gets it

[inner pecan]

plug a controller in lol

[soft sequoia]

but with keyboard and mouse

It doesn’t work with keyboard and mouse

[inner pecan]

You plus a controller in and switch it to controller

[snow bear]

there's this thing for the xbox and playstation that converts mouse and keyboard inputs to controller inputs, which makes the console or PC think you're using a controller. However, it causes extreme input delay.

it's also like $100

[strange kelp]

Just buy a PC, ffs

[snow bear]

I was referring to a method which could be used to gain aim assist with a mouse and keyboard, but yeah agreed

[fallen gust]

Plus it'll be a huge decrease in accuracy. Which m&k provide

[lofty vapor]

please

too many archers, its actually nuts with the controller aim as well

[pallid plume]

At least most console archers haven't unlocked the warbow and are absolutely worthless when you get too close to them. So ig it's a trade off when they pelt you down with aim assist

[floral compass]

oh god the day that archers find out how to use a xim

[vagrant eagle]

give archers guns

[delicate timber]

I think there should be some effort to change archer such that they are less effective and more counterable at close range. The number of times ive been winning a 1v3 but an archer standing 10ft away whittles down my health is uncountable.
Perhaps this could be done by draining stamina when moving your cursor quickly while drawing, or adding some little indication of when the archer is about to release so that a skilled player can counter their arrows at least 25% of the time if theyre trying.

[thorn robin]

Kill the archer

[snow bear]

bows just need their stamina mechanics to be changed in general

you lose 0 stamina from using a bow unless you are aiming longer than it takes for the average dad to buy milk and come back with it

[delicate timber]

yewah

[atomic stratus]

Nah archers are okay rn

[thorn robin]

Bows should be changed so they they can’t be shot unless you’re a knight

[atomic stratus]

They should change skirmisher so instead of throwing axes, you get 6 dane axes

[thorn robin]

Absolutely not

Terrible idea. You are full of stupid.

[worn marsh]

We already went over this failed talking point, you only do this in a bubble/firing range.

Really not sure why you are trying to bring this back up.

[worn marsh]

How to tell an archer is about to shoot

The Bow is drawn back, the Crossbow is the only one that doesn’t have a set timer but if they are just ADS they are slower. Rush them since you won’t die in 1 shot and they can’t reload quickly.

You now know it’s coming like you do an overhead or slash that can be feinted/morphed.

The timing being even more telegraphed would just make the class irrelevant.

[atomic stratus]

No u

[thorn robin]

Listen here you stupidhead you have no idea how Skirmisher works they only using throwing axes!!!

[atomic stratus]

You can throw dane axes, hence, they are throwing axes

[thorn robin]

THE DANE AXE IS A POOR MAN’S THROWING AXE

[atomic stratus]

IM NOT POOR, YOURE POOR

[thorn robin]

STOP TALKING TO ME YOU FUCKING NON THROWING AXE USER

[atomic stratus]

SILENCE SKIRMISHER, YOURE CLASS WILL FOREVER BE WEAK

[thorn robin]

FUCK YOU BITCH

[atomic stratus]

NO U

[dusk pulsar]

lol, random got real angry about the dane axe idea

[thorn robin]

NO I FUCKING DIDNT

[dusk pulsar]

NO, YOU DID!!!

[snow bear]

one of the recent gameplay videos you posted involved practically 0 net stamina loss from all of your shots

[worn marsh]

Which one?

[snow bear]

the one where you were demonstrating the visibility of arrow trails

[worn marsh]

Where I shot 1 arrow in multiple clips?

[snow bear]

I think you simply don't want bows to be nerfed in any way, regardless of balance

[snow bear]

you should't give your own opinions so much credit

[worn marsh]

Nah it's failed talking points coming back up after they were already addressed. If you want to go show effective gameplay where you are shooting multiple arrows with 0 stam loss go do it.
But you haven't and just keep promoting this idea that it is a normal and safe thing to do, not just theory crafting by a non-archer player.

[snow bear]

you refer to my point as "failed" as if your own differring opinion is arbitrarily superior

[worn marsh]

Again , display your talking point in action. Back up your claim with gameplay to avoid having it discredited from a person who plays the class.

[snow bear]

are you saying that repeating the same point inherently makes it a "failed" point?

just because you addressed it?

you give your own opinions so much credit

[worn marsh]

So you have provided proof of your talking point? Link it , oh right you haven't.

[snow bear]

anyway, I wasn't writing that comment to argue with you or somehow prove something. I can say my opinions to other players regardless of what you think of them.

[worn marsh]

So you haven't proven something and keep spreading it? I think someone said something that covered that perfect.

"you give your own opinions so much credit"

[snow bear]

There are other people on the server that you and me. Saying the same thing twice is completely normal if directed to two different people at two different times.

[snow bear]

I'm not the one who's claiming that other players' perspectives are invalid or "failed points."

I recommend speaking your ideas about the game in a more neutral tone.

[worn marsh]

So you are promoting a claim you haven't proved? Oh man that is a bad look

I recommend speaking your claims from a stance of knowledge.

[fathom aurora]

Trust, it's not worth engaging someone who can never be wrong

[worn marsh]

Asking a person to back up their claims with more than words is a bad thing these days? I thought burden of proof was an accepted part of talking in feedback forums.
I suppose that only applies to one side.

[atomic stratus]

Archers can never be wrong, we always win

[strange kelp]

Perfect defense mechanism for a class that will never be even mildly respected 😁

[brazen olive]

https://tenor.com/view/hockey-only-game-bryzgalov-anahe-gif-8306971

[atomic stratus]

We don’t need respect, we just need your tears

[amber warren]

That would require anyone here taking you seriously to begin with. Along with the entire bandwagon for that matter.

[worn marsh]

Where can I trade in others respect for playing the way they want instead of what I want to for fun? What is the rate?

[strange kelp]

1 🎣 2 🎣 3 🎣 2ez

[worn marsh]

So it’s 3 fish per respect

[thorn robin]

Keeper you’ve been hooked line and sinker

[lapis cipher]

that doesn't make any sense, the sinker doesn't hook, it sinks

[fathom aurora]

It's a metaphor about someone being so thoroughly baited, they take not only the hook and line, but also the sinker, like an incredibly greedy fish.

[worn marsh]

Being serious in a statement and then pretending it’s bait is a classic “lol baited you” response. God bless the melee mains and the entertainment they provide.

See

Instant dots lol

[strange kelp]

Who says I wasn't serious? 🧐

[thorn robin]

I’m sorry Keeper but you lost this match

@strange kelp is our new champion

[atomic stratus]

Where his champions belt tho?

[lapis cipher]

a real greedy fish would have taken the entire rod

[lapis cipher]

he's so humble that he probably keeps it hidden under his shirt to avoid embarassing us weaker fellows

[worn marsh]

You have to let the others win every once in awhile. They keep reporting you if you don’t.

[brazen olive]

Give me the title already, I deserve it

[thorn robin]

@strange kelp

I present this championship title to you

[thorn robin]

No

[brazen olive]

I will give you 1 throwing axe for the title

[thorn robin]

No

[atomic stratus]

Can I have the title as well?

[thorn robin]

No

You must defeat Elbow to win the championship

[zenith lily]

nah just remove the stupid class from the game

[brazen olive]

You know mfs are new to the genre when archers are in the weakest state they've ever been and people still demand they be completely removed, braindead take

I understand wanting certain changes but you're straight up fragile if you think removing them completely is the correct course of action

[sharp root]

Remove archer

Remove vanguard

Remove knight

Game is now perfect

[worn marsh]

What if the real Archer change is learning to accept you aren’t the main character and the game doesn’t revolve around your fun. But 63 others?

[strange kelp]

Main character here. Never gonna work.

[worn marsh]

Maybe in a Netflix or Tubi adaption lmao

[brazen olive]

"The goal of this post is not to neuter Archers, nor to make them unfun to play. The goal of this post is to make Archers less frustrating for others and provide more counterplay to Archers without nerfing them directly."

Meanwhile dumbasses in here polluting the discussion by crying to remove archer

[thorn robin]

Ziggy and other archer complainers just bad ez

But archer is dumb and smelly

Skirmisher is a real class

[brazen olive]

Ziggy ain't completely braindead like someone whose name rhymes with hell no rump fucks

I don't agree with ziggy on everything but at least he thinks a bit beyond unga bunga remove archer!!1!1!1

[pliant trail]

Yeah he is neat. I do like some of his shield suggestions

[strange kelp]

Delete crossbowman and longbowman, replace with mallet skrim and throwing knife skrim

[worn marsh]

He just says stuff for attention he can’t get without being confrontational.

[brazen olive]

Delete subclasses 🤓

[atomic stratus]

I’m all for deleting stuff. For the love of god, get rid of brazier

[brazen olive]

That's fine, no one will miss brazier

Rather have medkit

[thorn robin]

All Content Creators Bad

[atomic stratus]

If we do get brazier replaced with something else, do you guys think the “headshots will charge item” will be changed? Atleast for me, I can get a brazier almost anywhere/anytime

[worn marsh]

He pushes a lot of the bad talking points in here, his channel and his discord.

[thorn robin]

So do you tbh, you don't talk enough about Skirmisher

[brazen olive]

I'm not aware of what goes on in his discord, only watched his stream a lil here and there and seen some toxicity but nothing compared to some of the creatures on here

[worn marsh]

Lol no I don’t push talking point, I back up my claims with facts and gameplay. Not empty claims and lies

[thorn robin]

Again you don't talk about Skirmisher

[worn marsh]

I talk about the meme class

[thorn robin]

Crusader?

[worn marsh]

Throwing axe :/

[brazen olive]

You ain't seen my sticc gaming if you think crusader is a meme

[thorn robin]

I dont want to

Because I don't care about inferior classes

[brazen olive]

It has throwing axes tho...

[thorn robin]

Which unfortunately does not save the class

[brazen olive]

Ya cause I hate firepot I'd rather have horn

Or just put quarterstaff on poleman ffs

[thorn robin]

The firepot is the throwing axe of abilities and it is great

[brazen olive]

Naw it's annoying on both sides

Just like Random Savior

I wonder where random is by the way

I bet he's in the hyperbolic time chamber preparing for the next bout

[thorn robin]

Mad because not throwing axe main

[brazen olive]

Mad cause I got large katar energy

[thorn robin]

No thanks I play the banjo

[brazen olive]

Ban jo fuck yourself

[thorn robin]

Ban jo get some bitches

[brazen olive]

I'm attracted to men

[thorn robin]

Message still applies

[brazen olive]

I don't need bitches I need blokes

[thorn robin]

https://tenor.com/view/chewsday-corneal-slinky-tuesday-dannylp0305-gif-18078991

[brazen olive]

Bit sad innit?

[thorn robin]

Dear devs: add the Bri'ish subclass to Footman

[brazen olive]

You got a loicense for that knoife?

[strange kelp]

Main character here 😎 #MaulGang

[thorn robin]

https://tenor.com/view/joe-biden-medal-of-freedom-obama-gif-7544963

[strange kelp]

Wow kettle black?

[thorn robin]

https://tenor.com/view/ohh-omg-whoa-oh-my-cat-gif-19018337

[brazen olive]

Nice score but a 4 man stack of lvl 700s and up pubstomping is nothing new

Hell if you look at the other team's lvls they never stood a chance lol

[strange kelp]

Guess you took his place

[brazen olive]

What am I crying about? Just pointing out how a huge stack diminishes the value of that score

[worn marsh]

55-12! You continue to meet expectations.

[strange kelp]

I unequipped all my unique weapons, my high level gear, my auras, took all my perks off, and didnt even use any potions

Oh wait, level means nothing, im just better (:

[brazen olive]

Hmm? Level means a lot unless they're a new account coming from epic or console or something, it's generally a gauge of their hours of experience

[strange kelp]

What happens after hours of experience though?

[brazen olive]

Sure level isn't the ultimate indicator of skill but it's a general good measure and you can generally tell which team will win based off lvls

[worn marsh]

I like that you feel comfortable sharing a 55-12 game as a way to brag. 🫶

[strange kelp]

95-55-12, with 3 entire objectives left. Thanks bud 🙂 appreciate your support

[worn marsh]

Nice man, I bet you felt great with that score. I’m glad you felt this was impressive enough to share.

[strange kelp]

Hell yea, with maul too 😎 I even stepped off my spawn point to do it

[brazen olive]

I think his kda is good, but partying with a lvl 873 and two 1000s is also going to have a very positive effect on it

[thorn robin]

Bro imagine caring about your score

[strange kelp]

I use maul. How much easier can I make it?

[thorn robin]

https://tenor.com/view/physics-axe-ouch-that-hurts-gif-17427083

[strange kelp]

im just too good 😵

[worn marsh]

I hope you printed this off and hung it up.

It’s not often I get see people brag about games like this so please keep it up.

[brazen olive]

Is maul supposed to be bad or something? I'm confused

Maul is great

[strange kelp]

Give it a try

[thorn robin]

Funny crunch weapon

Too slow for me I prefer the throwing axe

[strange kelp]

A nice slow weapon for people to counter. Im so generous

Im a venerable gift to this community

[brazen olive]

Or to easily drag and fuck up their counter lol

[worn marsh]

Now 55-12 with a throwing axe would actually be impressive

[brazen olive]

I've tried it and it's not really for me, I just enjoy faster weapons more

[thorn robin]

Numbers are just numbers that are numbers

[strange kelp]

Yup, this why keeper is a dunce lol

[worn marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/what-lol-high-stoned-gif-18549951

[strange kelp]

Randomly declares 55-12 would be good with no context

Class I like: "55-12 quite impressive"
Class I dont like: Only 55-12 lol

[worn marsh]

Hey I’m just happy for you that you had a game you felt was impressive enough to share.

Good for you little elbow

Imagine pretending like 55-12 with throwing axes wouldn’t be impressive lmao

[strange kelp]

Thx buddy. Maybe people will purely care about KD one day. But I doubt it 😃

untill then, stay disrespected

[thorn robin]

https://tenor.com/view/star-trek-quark-ferengi-anythings-possible-gif-17079399

[worn marsh]

A 5 KD in a stack is disrespect to me?

Must be some low KD thing I don’t get

[strange kelp]

KD Factors into score with kill streaks. I happened to get double kills, triple kills, AND kill streaks. Sorry your puny bow isnt capable, but score means more than KD 😎 Congrats on your massive 200 extra points after a 20 to 1 KD, i get that after 1 double kill

[worn marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/fail-gugudan-kpop-you-tried-gif-9271678

[brazen olive]

Where the ref at?? @thorn robin

[worn marsh]

Probably trying to climb over that stack in the screenshot still

[thorn robin]

Me with my 1.5 KD yet I’m better than the both of you at this game

[brazen olive]

I'm gonna use throwing axes tonight for you

[thorn robin]

https://tenor.com/view/thank-you-thanks-gif-26335477

[brazen olive]

Ok but we actually need this emoji where tf is it

[strange kelp]

Lol, youll never fiond it

[brazen olive]

Ziggy's server I assume?

[strange kelp]

assume all you want

[brazen olive]

Mkay :/

Awww

Muah 💋

[snow bear]

it's nearly impossible to suggest meaningful changes when the two sides of this issue are such opposites

[thorn robin]

‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‌‍‍‍‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‌‍‍‍‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‌‍‍‍‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‌‍‍‍‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‌‍‍‍‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‌‍‍‍‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‌‍‍‍‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‌‍‍‍‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‌‍‍‍‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‌‍‍‍‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‌‍‍‍‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‌‍‍‍‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‌‍‍‍‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‌‍‍‍‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‌‍‍‍‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‌‍‍‍‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‌‍‍‍‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‌‍‍‍‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‌‍‍‍‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‌‍‍‍‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‌‍‍‍‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‌‍‍‍‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‌‍‍‍‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‌‍‍‍‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‌‍‍‍‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‌‍‍‍‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‌‍‍‍‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‌‍‍‍‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‌‍‍‍‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‌‍‍‍‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‌‍‍‍‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‌‍‍‍‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‌‍‍‍‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‌‍‍‍‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‌‍‍‍‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‌‍‍‍‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‌‍‍‍‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‌‍‍‍‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‌‍‍‍‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‌‍‍‍‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‌‍‍‍‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‌‍‍‍‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‌‍‍‍‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‌‍‍‍‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‌‍‍‍‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‌‍‍‍‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‌‍‍‍‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‌‍‍‍‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‌‍‍‍‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‌‍‍‍‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‌‍‍‍‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‌‍‍‍‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‌‍‍‍‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‌‍‍‍‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‌‍‍‍‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‌‍‍‍‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‌‍‍‍‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‌‍‍‍‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‌‍‍‍‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‌‍‍‍‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‌‍‍‍‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‌‍‍‍‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‌‍‍‍‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‌‍‍‍‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‌‍‍‍‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‌‍‍‍‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‌‍‍‍‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‌‍‍‍‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‌‍‍‍‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‌‍‍‍‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‌‍‍‍‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‌‍‍‍‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‌‍‍‍‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‌‍‍‍‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‌‍‍‍‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‌‍‍‍‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‌‍‍‍‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‌‍‍‍‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‌‍‍‍‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‌‍‍‍‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‌‍‍‍‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‌‍‍‍‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‌‍‍‍‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‌‍‍‍‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‌‍‍‍‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‌‍‍‍‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‌‍‍‍‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‌‍‍‍‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‌‍‍‍‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‌‍‍‍‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‌‍‍‍‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‍‌‌‍‍‍‍‌

[brazen olive]

I mean one side mostly antagonizes the other and advocates for straight up removal of the role which breeds toxicity across the board

[thorn robin]

The solution is to add another bow to the game, fuck them both

[snow bear]

if we're being serious though, which category of weapon would be a legitimately good addition to one of the archer subclasses?

[brazen olive]

Crossbowman still has 1 main weapon choice... Imagine a melee class having 1 primary

[snow bear]

I believe it would need to serve a purpose that is not currently met by an already-existing weapon

[snow bear]

I think there are two kinds of primaries a crossbowman could use in the future—a "lighter" and "heavier" crossbow. The issue with the light crossbow is that it may be rendered useless by the longbow, and the issue with the heavy crossbow is that it may become annoying if it has potential to score kills in single hits (headshots or wounded players)

in order to balance these traits, a unique feature could be added to each: the light crossbow could be granted the ability to reload while moving (albeit at a slow rate), and the heavy crossbow could have a unique, slow reload animation, significantly less ammo, and/or an impact on movement speed, or even a stamina drain while raising and aiming it

[brazen olive]

Longbow is already made pretty obsolete by the warbow, and quarterstaff by the heavy mace for example... TB has no problem with making redundant weapons

[snow bear]

a quarterstaff that replaces the bow for the archer would be interesting

it would be the ultimate flex to defeat someone with it

[brazen olive]

Damn I'm so good!

[brazen olive]

Plz someone acknowledge how good I am, I sent my kda plz respond

[atomic stratus]

Uh oh, I see one defeat among those screenshots. Do better next time

[late forum]

ain’t no way you screenshotted all those, you’ve been waiting for this moment

[brazen olive]

Lol, I screenshot my decent games every now and then, wouldn't even bother posting them if elbow wasn't flexing his epic maul gameplay

Half of those are with katars btw

[inner pecan]

What you got against Maul HMMMMMMMMMM?!?!?!?!?!?!?

[fathom aurora]

The pure irony of someone with their k/d in their name being upset over a maul game

[worn marsh]

I see irony is also something you don’t understand.

[fathom aurora]

Keeper moment

[thorn robin]

Not impressed; lack of throwing axes spotted

[worn marsh]

These are the only ones I can pull up from discord now : (.

I like the 69-1 and 51-0

[fathom aurora]

I could scoop the irony out with a spoon and make castle walls from it

[worn marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/princess-bride-you-keep-using-that-word-i-do-not-think-it-means-what-you-think-it-means-gif-9201569

[fathom aurora]

Pretending to not understand irony is a weird bit, but w.e.

[worn marsh]

You should work on contributing to threads instead of just making up lies and trying to insult people.

Be a better you in July.

[thorn robin]

Keeper I don’t care about those scores if you didn’t use throwing axes

[worn marsh]

I need to record a throwing axe game. Highest I have done so far is 35-7. I always challenge the best player on the other team to use them if they think they are good. It usually works and we agree it’s the worst weapon in the game.

[fathom aurora]

You could too, instead of being a constant asshole with poor understanding of logic, but you don't, so 🤷‍♂️

[worn marsh]

You didn’t read what I said and instead just tried to insult me. Good effort, good try.

[fathom aurora]

So dumb

[pallid plume]

Whats a Xim?

[thorn robin]

Throwing Axe is good

[thorn robin]

Archers win again

[tepid hinge]

You do realize that even with playing with controller on PC aim assist still useless. Aim assist on console is a overpowered aimbot.

[inner pecan]

I mean technically it is useless when trying to adjust for distance and movement

[tepid hinge]

Aim assist on PC regardless of type of device your using is useless. Aim assist only works on console but its very overpowered.

[inner pecan]

I wouldnt even say overpowered. Having it move to a target a bit powerful? Yeah. But again its still has the same issue as any platform, doesnt account for movement and distance

Unless you get actual programmers that program you aimbot which can account for distance and movement

[tepid hinge]

Aim assist on console is definitely overpowered. Aim assist on console performs like its an aimbot.

[inner pecan]

Not really no.

[tepid hinge]

yes really

[inner pecan]

Your over exaggerating on it

[tepid hinge]

No i am not

[inner pecan]

If it worked like aimbot then no one would be able to play lol

[tepid hinge]

Thats definitely not true that why a lot of players target archers

[inner pecan]

But yet again can anyone show someone going crazy with the aim assist going over 20 kills with it?

[tepid hinge]

Kills have nothing to do with aim assist being overpowered.

[inner pecan]

Well i mean if you aint getting kills with it then how is it overpowered. Meaning your still missing a lot.

[tepid hinge]

Did i say arrows were overpowered I said aim assist is overpowered. You do realize a lot of classes take several shots to actually kill and majority of the time its just takedowns not actual kills.

[inner pecan]

Okay so can you show me someone using aim assist having over 60 takedowns? Cause honestly take downs is kind of a joke in TO when all you have to do is smack them once and they give 50 points for participation lol. That part aint hard for anyone to do. But yet again if aim assist aint helping you secure kills then i dont understand how its overpowered. Should it be moving to targets? No. It should only be helping your reticle not move so fast off your target and thats it, which they should reduce it to that. But again it doesnt account for movement and distance which renders it really useless if you want to stay safe with it.

[tepid hinge]

Its obvious you don't understand how aim assist is overpowered on console. Its not worth my time to go back and forth with you.