cunning kindle
The highland sword does the exact same damage as greatsword for all attacks except heavy overhead, which does 10 more damage for highland sword, and it does less stab damage than greatsword. It's also much, much slower and has a pretty unusable special attack because of how long the special windup is. Highland sword was mostly fine before the nerf except for it's riposte overhead. There is almost no reason to use it over greatsword right now.
Proof (taken from polehammer.net):
Just doesn't make sense to me that a damn surfboard of a sword does the same damage as a much lighter sword
primal trail
"Mostly fine before the nerf" probably my favorite thing I have read today.
The sword was broken and outside of dueling was the best weapon to use in TO.
Also isn't Polehammer still fan made stats that haven't been confirmed by TB?
old epoch
Exactly, as keeper said it was broken, everyone used it.
But now no one use it, which has a reason also
I think it was the hitbox which was broken to be honest
cunning kindle
"Mostly fine before the nerf" probably my favorite thing I have read today.
The...
It was not broken even in TO lol. Literally all you had to do was get a single counter or just riposte against it, the vast majority of players just have literally no grasp of the game and got mad because it did high damage. It was so slow that you could just jab people out of their attacks, it was easy to deal with before the patch and it's even easier to deal with now
cunning kindle
Exactly, as keeper said it was broken, everyone used it.
But now no one use it, ...
keeper isn't really the best person to give advice on this game's mechanics lmao
azure marlin
I mean, the Highland sword is still a pain to fight against, to the point where you'll still want archers to prioritize targeting HS users
old epoch
keeper isn't really the best person to give advice on this game's mechanics lmao
I never said that
cunning kindle
I mean, the Highland sword is still a pain to fight against, to the point where ...
how is it a pain to fight against??? I have basically no issues fighting against it at all
unless it's someone that would kick my ass with any other weapon anyway
azure marlin
It's got insane reach, high damage, and is fast enough that assuming that it's slow is a fast way to die
cunning kindle
It's got insane reach, high damage, and is fast enough that assuming that it's s...
dude it's even slower now than it was before the patch, and it was already so slow before the nerf that you could just jab people before their attack released lol
you can gamble a highland sword with a greatsword pretty easily
people just have trouble being patient against it and get antsy/greedy and end up getting punished for it
primal trail
keeper isn't really the best person to give advice on this game's mechanics lmao
I had over 20 perfect games with the Highlander sword in TO. I am an Archer Main doing that well with it prenerf
cunning kindle
I had over 20 perfect games with the Highlander sword in TO. I am an Archer Main...
maybe has something to do with the massive influx of noobs that don't know how to do anything but riposte slash
greatsword is a better weapon in every way right now
primal trail
Which is why I said it was over powered in TO? This was before Game pass and PS+ army lol
cunning kindle
Which is why I said it was over powered in TO? This was before Game pass and PS+...
players being terrible at the game and not knowing any of the game mechanics doesn't make something OP
anyone with a basic understanding of counters shouldn't have much of an issue fighting against the average HS player
primal trail
It was against a lot of high level players, but I get it. You aren't going to admit it was broken before.
cunning kindle
It was against a lot of high level players, but I get it. You aren't going to ad...
because it wasn't lmao
I've never been a highland sword main, I used it occasionally in TO and sometimes in duels but I fight against it all the time
never had problems
primal trail
I never have problems with Archers either but that doesn't mean others don't. Your experience would be a confirmation bias, the entire community wanted it nerfed.
cunning kindle
I never have problems with Archers either but that doesn't mean others don't. Yo...
I don't know many players that actually know the game mechanics that wanted it nerfed because they never had issues fighting against it
primal trail
Always a goal post
cunning kindle
the people complaining are the people who don't know how to counter my guy
if you're bad you can just say that
primal trail
100% bet my stats are better
cunning kindle
I intentionally run into 1vXs lol I don't take TO very seriously, I'm a duelist
primal trail
Post Em
cunning kindle
I'd be happy to fight you though
you're an archer, of course you're going to have a ridiculous kdr
primal trail
Find another Archer with 100,000 kills and a better KD
cunning kindle
probably reptar
primal trail
Hell anyone
cunning kindle
come fight me in east duels
primal trail
Post your stats
cunning kindle
my KDR is 1.6, like 95% of my hours are in duels fighting other high level duelists
I don't even play TO often
primal trail
Then why are you telling someone is 99% TO what is and isn't OP IN TO?
cunning kindle
because I run into HS when I play TO and it's easy to deal with? wdym
all it takes is one slash counter and they're screwed lmao
primal trail
So if I run into a Great Sword in duels and say it's easy you would be ok with that?
cunning kindle
I would be surprised
GS is an S tier weapon
HS is like B tier at best right now
primal trail
Because that's what you are doing, taking an opinon based on 1% of your playtime and presenting it as fact
primal trail
Lol why would I fight you? I gain nothing from beating you
cunning kindle
you seem to think that you're more well versed in this game's mechanics than I am so I mean
primal trail
Where did I say that?
cunning kindle
100% bet my stats are better
lol
primal trail
I swear Duel mains just make up stuff. Quote me saying that
cunning kindle
I said, "if you're bad just say that" and you said "I bet my stats are better than yours"
it was implied
there's a reason you got laughed out of the subreddit months ago
primal trail
Lol you could park a 747 in the lines you are reading in between
I left it to go play COD by choice lol what are you talking about
cunning kindle
ok
all I'm saying is that if you can't deal with highland sword now, you don't have a grasp of the mechanics
primal trail
I'm always amazed at the lore about me that isn't true
cunning kindle
even before the patch if you couldn't deal with it you didn't really have a grasp of the mechanics
primal trail
Go ask in Chiv channel, General or on tournament grounds. When it comes to TO the Highland was busted
cunning kindle
95% of this game's community is awful at the game
and doesn't even know that countering is a thing
that isn't the weapon's fault
primal trail
So you are basing what is and isn't broken on 5% opinon?
Who is extremely focused in 1v1?
cunning kindle
I'm encouraging people to actually learn the mechanics instead of just riposte slashing and then complaining about things being OP when they're only using 5% of the game's mechanics lol
most people in TO don't know what to do if you use an overhead attack
primal trail
Again it wasn't just new players saying it was broken. Go look at the threads or ask.
It was extremely easy to do well with.
cunning kindle
you could say the same thing about spears with regard to noobs
that doesn't make them busted
primal trail
Nah it was vastly easier to do well with the Highland vs spear on Cleave alone
cunning kindle
my point is that greatsword is superior in every way to HS right now, and it shouldn't be that way
in what world should a giant surfboard of a sword do the same damage as a greatsword?
primal trail
One where Magic Horns and Flags heal you I suppose
cunning kindle
its special attack has always been garbage too
literally the most useless special in the game, as cool as it is
the sprinting special is good at least
primal trail
Yup. It's very specific use and that is never
cunning kindle
I just think HS attacks should be buffed by like 5-10 damage each except for maybe stab, and the special windup needs to be a bit faster, then it would be alright
as of right now you can basically never get the spinning special off before someone whacks you
the way I see it, the special should be an "oh shit" attack that gets everyone off of you, since HS is so slow that a 1vX is almost certain death anyway
maybe nerf special damage but make the windup actually usable
dusk flint
idk man, i think the hs is still kinda OP. could use a stronger nerf imo.
old epoch
idk man, i think the hs is still kinda OP. could use a stronger nerf imo.
Not really, if a weapon is op would everyone use it
Like it was a while ago
bitter pike
I like this because the highlander sword looks like an anime sword and the less used the better.
ornate kettle
it was very strong on release. maybe too strong. its biggest offender being the alt overhead, because of the huge difference in speed from a dragged out counter and a fully acceled riposte. so a good highland player had so much control on the stamina game in duels, and just light overhead everyone in the back in TO. it isnt just the reinforced update patch where all of its damage got cut and windup times increased(devs nerfing everything and the kitchen sink instead of the one problem? tell me something else thats new), its all the other combat changes along since. tighter turning radius on attacks, removing late dodge out of counter, removing dodge into jab, making you lose stamina on hitting the floor, removing heavy/feint to parry. with how slow it and all options nerfed or removed its really only good against someone who isnt as good. tldr I agree with scope on the damage increase.
hexed dune
I mean the most embarrassing thing is that the slash on Highland Sword does 50 and the slash on Messer does 55.
azure marlin
Not really, if a weapon is op would everyone use it
I think archers are what's keeping the HS from being spammed to death
soft temple
In its current form, the Highland Sword is redundant
civic oasis
I played the Highland Sword exclusively, the last few days for like 30-40 weapon lvls, a little bit longer than the pre nerf version even. Id say its fine but 5-10 more slash dmg wouldnt hurt nobody. For the special, its a gimmick and a faster windup would make it super annoying to play against, just leave it as it is.
ripe torrent
i’m glad they made the model for it smaller since it was absurd, but it could do a little more dmg. at least not every top TO scorer is using it now
old epoch
I mean the most embarrassing thing is that the slash on Highland Sword does 50 a...
Thats why no one use it anymore
azure marlin
You can still bully a Messer user with it by playing a game of "just the tip". The most that the messer user can do is hope that an archer comes in to 2v1 the guy.
green salmon
imo it was a mistake to make the Highland sword in the first place and it was redundant the day it was born. Also it was OP.
azure marlin
imo it was a mistake to make the Highland sword in the first place and it was re...
The thing with new weapons in Chiv2 is that the game already felt like a complete experience prior to the House Aberfell update. I think weapon cosmetics would've been a more productive venture if actually new stuff was a choice between "effectively a reskin" and "conceptually broken"
primal trail
The thing with new weapons in Chiv2 is that the game already felt like a complet...
Maybe if it was a flail, spike shield, or Armored fist. But another sword? And the Cloud Buster?
cunning kindle
You can still bully a Messer user with it by playing a game of "just the tip". T...
Not really, maybe if you play conservatively. All you have to do with a messer against it is stay in their face and don't let them control range. The same thing can be said about fighting against good greatsword players
