Hackers on duel servers

[limber loom]

Unfortunately the solutions u provided do not work. These people have a "Hunt bot" which tracks players/players alts , server etc. They will go there flying and 1 tapping. They will crash the server if votekicked.

On an average day they crash around 60 to 70 servers.

[bitter robin]

Again I was talking exclusively rdm since there was a convo between those two rdming each other

Now the conversation has switched back to hacking

There I caught you up

[quartz root]

which stemmed from my video killing hackers

so hacking was relevant, plus ven is the hacking clan

[limber loom]

Rdm with hacks is a thing

[bitter robin]

Yes... The user they were talking to wasn't cheating, they were just rdming each other do you want me to link the comment?

[limber loom]

You shouldn't believe everything you read specially if you are not informed about the situation in details. I could provide a long list but it wouldn't matter at this stage.

[bitter robin]

Actually I really don't even care about that anymore. Listen mods ban cheaters end of story. Do cheaters make alts? Yup, can mods make an anti cheat? Nope all they can do is ban.

You have an issue with the devs not mods

[weak sierra]

Actually just thought id pipe in, according to microsoft policy there is no allowance of third party anti cheats allowed on the gamepass version.

[limber loom]

Yea

[weak sierra]

So honestly I'm not even sure what the fuck devs can actually do bar remove the game from gamepass 🤣

[limber loom]

Private servers.

[bitter robin]

Genuine question do you have any recorded evidence of the player above cheating? If not why do you assume he's a hacker, y'know besides just believing what people are telling you. I simply go off of what is shown and as of right now I don't think anyone's outed him for being a hacker

[weak sierra]

You talking about taylor?

[bitter robin]

I feel bad for y'all I do, I just don't get why you guys swing at people who are on your team.

[bitter robin]

Yes

[bitter robin]

Basically that or develop an anti cheat that does anything

[limber loom]

Oh pretty sure he doesn't hack but he's a know rdmr and gank with the hackers. He was kicked from cc for rdm and kept the gt to stir up problem for us. If u knew his character well, u would just laugh at him saying he got rdmd.

[bitter robin]

Okay right so he's not cheating and y'all are just rdming him and him rdming y'all. That's fine seriously.

[weak sierra]

I'm 90% certain he doesn't cheat, but there are people in hunt squads of ven who "dont cheat" against us they literally follow us into a server and start all out wars with us. They het outnumbered then start cheating. So its cheaters and rdmers vs us. And once we kick said cheaters its an instant server crash

[bitter robin]

Yeah and that sucks

[limber loom]

As far as i'm aware he's not cheating yes. But i do not exclude it since it would take 5-10 minutes to download the cheats from internet.

[weak sierra]

Also too one of the biggest fucking cheaters are literally in this thread. Granted he's timed out but yano

[limber loom]

A few are here

It's funny

[bitter robin]

Common be a little fair I know he's annoyed you but I could use that logic for myself being a cheater or you

[bitter robin]

Yeah I won't lie I find that wack as hell but is what it is

[quartz root]

What's even the point of this conversation lmao

[bitter robin]

I have no idea

[limber loom]

It's not about annoying me. He is a rdmr. He tried really few times actually against cc. But if yall played the eu servers u would see with ur own eyes.

[bitter robin]

I'm not saying that as a insult younger it's okay to get upset or I'll use "annoy"

Younder*

[limber loom]

Anyways u guys will soon experience this as well, since eu is at its last breath rn. Na is next

[bitter robin]

We do experience it I promise, yes not as much but I see a hacker everyday. Trust me we all hate it

[weak sierra]

There is no fucking point at the end of the day you have said it its up to TB who nobody can get the fucking attention of. They praise chivmail and think it does wonders when chiv mail does fuck all due to people instantly being able to make other accounts i can see why you guys step down its fucking useless. TB just simply do not give a shit about duel servers or eu as a whole

[bitter robin]

Again focus your direction to the devs who can actually make a difference. Mods just deal with the shit hand they're given

[limber loom]

Yup but i'm not exactly referring to him rdming cc, so i've no reason to be annoyed. He was kicked from cc because he would rdm players from other clans.

[quartz root]

but we have no way to contact devs

[weak sierra]

Yea thats the problem how do we get attention of the devs? Surely them seeing their servers crash should be enough? Also too they could just get fucking ddos protection

[bitter robin]

Little aggressive but I agree

[limber loom]

He would literally start jabbing people then early starting, trying to bait a clip to send to chivmail.

We are at this level in eu

[weak sierra]

Is what it is but until I see anyone from TB make a difference I'll keep saying the same views

[bitter robin]

TB really does need to address this issue more than "were working on it" at this point. I think the community is for sure owed this by now.

[weak sierra]

YES its not like we can just ping em on discord or dm them and they'll reply

[bitter robin]

Also anti cheat stuff needs to be an absolute serious focus, think about hiring what's his name since he seems so hell bent on helping (or just accept him as volunteer work)

[weak sierra]

They've shown no proof at all that they're working on it, the cheats are getting stronger every bloody update

[limber loom]

Honestly i've also been plwying few different games and the devs are all active in discord.

Idk why TB is not communicating with the community

[weak sierra]

They don't give a shit its simple as that, they're still getting paid at the end of the day

[bitter robin]

Only thing I'll say on behalf of the devs. I don't blame them for being scared to talk to you guys either. You end up attacking them whether they say something or not it's a lose/lose for them.

I understand you think you're justified and whether you are or not doesn't matter. I would personally be more kind when they're doing things like giving responses so I don't scare them off in the future.

[limber loom]

Community had also offered to help many times.

Tbh if negative feedback is what scares em then it's over lol.

[signal sphinx]

They're just dismissive to their own playerbase and always have been. There's never been clear lines of communication for this game(s), even when there was a community manager.

If they can't handle the consequence of their inaction, then idk what to say.

[bitter robin]

I'm just saying if you're gonna yell at them for speaking or not speaking why bother speaking to begin with since it'll just be weaponized against them.

[limber loom]

Well tbf it is also true , C1 on console port was left to rot after 1 update

1 update

[bitter robin]

Also final suggestion. If all hope is truly lost why not find a new game? I mean this genuinely it'd probably be better for your mental no?

[weak sierra]

Because we care about the state of this game

[quartz root]

because there is no game like this

https://tenor.com/view/fight-punch-baby-fighting-gif-17557103

[limber loom]

That is true, CC is not an exclusive Chivalry clan, we have always been playing different games.

[bitter robin]

I see.. well next time they reply maybe try replying with a constructive response that's not throwing out attacks and maybe they won't just clam up and go silent again

[weak sierra]

Also i would argue that saying "were working on it" isnt really much proof that they are working on it

[bitter robin]

Idk who that's for because that's literally what I said

[quartz root]

I didnt see any attacks, other than that from the mods 🤔

[weak sierra]

Could literally ugrade their servers to have ddos protection and it wouldn't be crashed evey time you vk a hacker 🤷

[bitter robin]

Yes priest I know you hate the mods

[quartz root]

I dont hate the mods, wut

[bitter robin]

They could do anything but here we are

Yelling at each other because it feels good to get frustrations out

[weak sierra]

Anti cheat is useless suggestion tho unfortunately because of how Microsoft operates

[limber loom]

Sometimes it's refreshing

[weak sierra]

The anti cheat only affects the epic and steam versions of the game, 95% of hacking occurs on gamepass

[limber loom]

I'm afraid not anymore tbh

[quartz root]

the custom hacks some ven use can be used on epic and steam methinks

[weak sierra]

Yea can be

[quartz root]

unless they figured out how to chat on gamepass

[limber loom]

The better hacks, server crash etc

[weak sierra]

But why inject into a game version that has better anti cheat

[quartz root]

they can also see who votes what

[weak sierra]

They have

[quartz root]

ok then it's probably just gamepass

[bitter robin]

Anyway sorry y'all are upset it genuinely sucks and maybe one day TB will actually do anything about it and we can go back to arguing if NA or EU better

[quartz root]

They've been able to chat on gamepass for a while

[weak sierra]

^

[quartz root]

then TB should add chat to gamepass for normal users 🧐

[weak sierra]

Honestly no offence its nothing to do with you guys its not your faults at all

[bitter robin]

(I'm not a mod anymore just a fyi)

[weak sierra]

Ik

[quartz root]

I don't know what TBs situation is but I know that other games had issues with getting chat due to platform specific restrictions from Microsoft/Sony

[signal sphinx]

Tornbanners best solution: make me community manager

[quartz root]

me too

[signal sphinx]

No

[quartz root]

I disagree

[fallow echo]

I too disagree

[scarlet pilot]

Im not a cheater/hacker i dont even know how to cheat plus im console and on xbox series x so its impossible for me to cheat

[vast peak]

I don't think cheaters ddos servers

[scarlet pilot]

Plus all i know about tech is things i have been taught in school from computing classes

[weak sierra]

How do you think a server crashes

[vast peak]

There are other ways to crash a server that are not illegal

[weak sierra]

Its overloading of packets which is directly denying service to said server

[fallow echo]

Hacks can be added to an Xbox, not accusing. Just giving you the information that being on console technically cant be used as an excuse

[scarlet pilot]

The thing is its harder now then the old days on xbox 360 with people using jtags

[fallow echo]

It’s as simple as buying a hard drive and transferring it over from laptop/PC to console

Sometimes you can even buy preloaded hacks on drives which go right into your console. But those are risky

[vast peak]

Cheaters can only crash servers when the match is live. If you VK them during the warmup, this does not happen

[bitter robin]

Smart

[limber loom]

Gl with that

[fallow echo]

No I’m actually pretty stupid, but thanks

[limber loom]

True

[bitter robin]

Yw 🙂

[quartz root]

Until they come back on a different account to finish the job

[fallow echo]

You’re the next person on my stoning list

[weak sierra]

Also this

[vast peak]

As I said, cheaters can only manipulate servers while matches are live. This includes spawning amounts of items on the map which leads to a crash

[weak sierra]

You vk a hacker who can crash another one comes in and just crashes after hackers been kicked

[bitter robin]

That actually supports the claim it's not a ddos more. They shouldn't need to rejoin if it's a ddos

[fallow echo]

Me spawning 300 chickens on top of the enemies archers

[bitter robin]

And like he said it's likely just them spawning like 1000 items in a second

But that's just speculation lol

[weak sierra]

Me and bonk were followed into a TO server where 2 hackers proceeded to join then everyones ping spikes up to 200+ until i turned on a vpn would you like to tell me that isn't a ddos

[bitter robin]

It's honestly probably not no

[vast peak]

No?

[quartz root]

There's multiple ways to take down a server that aren't a DDOS

[weak sierra]

Ik that but they're saying they dont ddos servers

At ALL

[quartz root]

what I heard is that they are using an unreal engine 4 glitch to crash servers, if anyone can fact check this

[bitter robin]

Nah didn't say at ALL and I don't think lindings did either. But the ones who need to join to crash likely aren't ddosing

It'd make no sense for them to need to join

[weak sierra]

"I dont think cheaters ddos servers"

[vast peak]

I guess their cheat script/program relies on scripts that manipulate the server from just their end. There is no mechanic that prevents Players from running/attacking faster than the game usually allows

Something like server sided callbacks

[vast peak]

A cheater who just uses external or internal soft-/hardware to gain an advantage is not a hacker

Hackers actively attack security systems of servers or websites to gain access to data

[bitter robin]

I'm curious why simple checks can't be put in place like if a player goes over x speed, swings x times in 1 second. Most games have those checks right?

[weak sierra]

Dony even start playing the terminology game 🤣 we all know the difference its just easier to say hackers

[weak sierra]

Only problem tho is say this is implemented, with the server crash exploit they'll be auto kicked and server isnta crashes 😭

[vast peak]

1. Checks like these are server cpu intense
2. It's not just that one check. The code would be like 900 lines because there is 4 classes, different weapons that affect speed, stun effects, 4 different speeds (crouching, walking, running, charging/special) for each class, ecetera

[bitter robin]

I see

[vast peak]

If you execute a 900 lines script every second, there would be no need for server crashing cheaters because the servers would just crash if they did not have like 64 GB RAM or NASA CPU's

[quartz root]

I highly doubt it would be that intensive considering many other games do similar checks

[bitter robin]

That can't be the case tho right cause as an example tarkov has a speed cheat check now

And I think fortnite and apex does?

Could be wrong

[vast peak]

There is a less intense method

If a player changes his speed, this is called an event

Which could be limited by a single check whenever this event happens

[vast peak]

But where do we draw the line? Can we call cheaters criminals? No. They are just manipulating their game on their end. (Propably)

[weak sierra]

Brother people have been calling cheaters hackers for years, you know fine rightly what i mean by it relax it aint that deep

[vast peak]

I expect others to correctly address things about me in a discussion and therefore do the same.

I think most users in this chat prefer a fact based discussion over unjustified accusations

[weak sierra]

Nah wise up 🤣 your getting worked up over a term

No ones calling them a criminal literally relax

[vast peak]

Hackers are criminals

[limber loom]

Bring it to dms or get a room

[vast peak]

Would you think hacking into banking accounts and stealing money virtually isn't crime?

[weak sierra]

Nah your again just getting worked up over a term, wise up 🤣

[forest dirge]

https://youtu.be/QVykb_vMNJk 3 or 4 x speed getting targeted by the hackers 😄 im not even a duel person

[signal sphinx]

Classic

[limber loom]

LOL

Bazerka just loves you

[forest dirge]

i might have questioned the existence of his rl friends

[signal sphinx]

Ye, you are probably on their "list" now. They could be notified whenever your account comes online

[forest dirge]

weird how much effort they put in 😄

[signal sphinx]

Very strange. If they just applied these efforts into real life endeavours, then maybe they wouldn't suffer from the emotional issues that cause this behaviour.

[shy fog]

The problem is it’s not much effort at all

One person made the hack and the ability to track

Everyone else just uses them

[forest dirge]

yeah, but i mean the effort loggin in and annoy people 😄 seems pretty boring after a while

[glossy scarab]

didnt bore them yet

[shy fog]

It’s power

[limber loom]

I think he meant effort as time spent hunting people through the hunt bot, not making the hunt bot itself. One guy was online from 9:30 am to 23 pm this Monday, to hunt people.

[shy fog]

It’s not difficult

Nothing to lose

No deadline

Sitting at a desk doing what you want

Getting to flex your perceived sense of power over others

The hardest part is justifying their actions to themselves

Easily done by either dehumanizing everyone or deciding everyone in EU is a terrible person

With all the RDMing that was going on long before the hacking started the latter wasn’t hard to do

[forest dirge]

I cant say anything about that i started to check out duels late in my chivarly "career" and the hackers were already there,
I am still to this day confused how you get enjoyment out of that. But who am I to judge the kinks of others.

[limber loom]

Well i mean firstly u got to have nothing to do at all

Which is per se a big obstacle lmfao

[shy fog]

I’m sure it is to them I suppose

A big accomplishment

[velvet magnet]

I will say people do this a lot actually with some clans

[shy fog]

Baiting to get people banned or targeted by others

Utterly deplorable

[torpid hound]

I report to Chivmail whenever I can but I think i'm the only one who does. The ones i miss, appear multiple times in other servers on other days (same ID).
If everyone would do this, the duel servers would be a little better.

[velvet magnet]

I like that lol

[velvet magnet]

You aint the only one who does that as i reported hackers as well. Even if they hide their player id, you can still use the in game report and just give them your player id, they can use that to ban them.

[signal sphinx]

Well played

[signal sphinx]

https://tenor.com/view/shrek-fairy-godmother-i-need-a-hero-holding-on-for-a-hero-hero-gif-24467301

[robust axle]

CC is private for those only for CC, we have a public chat and you can be invited to this if you are a known player as its still exclusive, however if you are certain CC are rdming you then there are a few people you can dm and show clips, myself being one of then, my clan member here is correct by telling you our clan members are being impersonated there is nothing we can do about it. Unless a name is a offensive you cannot tell people what they can and can't use. Another way for you to prove its an actual CC member is too copy the persons player ID game and provide this with a clip this way we can confirm if its one of ours becuase it's so easy to copy a character in chiv 2.

These hackers are not in CC I can assure you of that.

The only idiots are those who make crappy code that can be used to access hacks 😂😂

[gritty birch]

🐢 <- TB

[velvet magnet]

I know one of the comp clan leaders have been in contact with one of the leadership about the issues but couldnt get a invite and got tired of your guys targeting their clan so idk. Any CC member we message we just get walled off or they just spam clown emojii as a joke trying to get a hold of someone so we basically stopped trying and know too just avoid CC members or report/kick them out of duel servers when they become an issue. We dont know who is in it or not because your guys clan is so hidden that comp community dont bother no more trying to contact you guys. We just assume your all rdmers or hackers especially with all the clips we getting of CC members rdming. Mind you it aint 1 name either, its multiple people using CC tags and rdming or hacking.

[robust axle]

Please dm me proof of these people sending you clown emojis with their dc names in them aswell, not nicknames actually discord names please. Which clan are you in? Becuase I can assure you cc have very strict rules on all of what you are accusing of, so please if any of this is true send me proof, I'll.be happy to help, once again I can assure you no cc member has hacks, hacking is a isn't ban in cc and I know my members well and have seen them play many times. And once again I'm telling you that these players you think are cc that have a tag in a game that is so easy to use, get their player ID codes and send them to me with clips. Also I'd like to add all of those who are leaders within a clan in the eu comp known exactly who the leaders are in cc in fact we are in chats and discord with alot if the community so I can assure you of 3 things
CC do not rdm innocent clan members
We are very known in the eu comp community
And CC DO NOT use hacks or mods of any kind in servers.

You don't need a invite into our clan to speak to a leader about a issue with one of our members

If you do have issue with cc currently, once again please dm me proof with a clip and player ids of those players you are accusing off
And proof you have been shunned off by a leader

[velvet magnet]

Talk to the leader of Legacy Goonz. They have been having non stop issues of it with recording of it and the clown emojii's is on chiv 2 discord where your invite was but its no longer available. If your talking about being EU community then it seems like your guys come to NA to rdm so thats why you guys dont see it or believe it happening.

[robust axle]

My guys don't come to na from eu

[velvet magnet]

Ask one of your leaders cause they have been in contact with Goonz

either that its a fake leader id

idk

[signal sphinx]

Who even is CC

[velvet magnet]

i found out about them when they started rdming in duel servers lol.

[robust axle]

Please stop accusing my clan of such things unless you can provide proof. Also this entire forum is for hackers in eu, which none of which are in cc so please don't accuse and of my members doing as such and this has been an ongoing issue fir a fair time, until you have all the facts please don't accuse people of things in a public discord server for the game, tryna give us a bad name on the small bit of information you have? Seems kind of unfair

[velvet magnet]

i dont even know who all i it

[velvet magnet]

Again ask leader of legacy cause they got clips of people using your clan tag rdming and it aint 1 person

[signal sphinx]

I've never heard of them to be honest until today

[robust axle]

If you are certain these are cc members Rdming you provide your clan leader with ids and names or the players with clips to pass onto my leaders. And I'll say again you don't need a server invite to speak to our leaders, as I've said due to the current hacker issue cc is exclusive to only cc and members that are known and trusted

[velvet magnet]

is CC lawfulban a member?

CC exploiter?

[robust axle]

So you are bringing up an issue with my clan in a public server, and when I asked for proof you are telling me I need to go ask your leader? If this is a issue for you or any of your members then send me proof and I will resolve all and any issues.

That is a name in cc ranks but can you provide a player ID aswell? Because their are members in the eu side of chiv that would impersonate that person you are talking about.

[velvet magnet]

Im not part of a clan. I said talk to them cause they have the proof of it. Also the proof is also in the fighting pit discord as well.

[robust axle]

But you said to me your clan leader has tried to get in contact with mine?.

Yes you Aren't in a clan?

Can this proof be provided with player ID?.

[robust axle]

Shoudve said you weren't in the clan before, I'll have someone msg goonz and follow up but as I've said with the ongoing issues and beef currently cc members have been impersonated many times this is why I ask for player ID aswell as this is 100% proof for us

[signal sphinx]

[velvet magnet]

Look im not gonna go back and forth about this as again i just said ask one of the leaders that been in contact with legacy leader cause he been trying to get in touch about the issue.

[signal sphinx]

Who the heck are CC and what do they want from us

[robust axle]

Can you not accuse my clan member of such if you cannot provide proof because to me it seems very much more like gossip then it actually happening

[remote sinew]

Also not the place to bring this discussion up. This is a thread for a completely different topic. Take to DMS or private discord please...

[weak trench]

Besides the one time cc actually came to help a player that’s been ganked by you guys before, we don’t know anything about this “non stop issues”. We had a short discussion in rabbits FFA server and that was the end of it? Anything outside of that incident isn’t us

And this isnt even the right thread for this lmao

[robust axle]

Truth

[remote sinew]

This, please don't make allegations in a public channel for everyone to see. Can give a bad rep to all parties involved

[signal sphinx]

CC have committed multiple hate crimes against me and my kin

[robust axle]

@shy fog to also conver this further, I think its kinda unfair that you'd sit their and call people idiots for reacting based off emotion its what people do and for someone who is themseleves a mod in this server I would've thought you would refrain from name calling to any person and be more open minded to avoid using your own emotion or opinion to put a label on the matter. Yes i agree violence only condones more violence but regardless of who's fault it is if the issues were actually sorted at the start things won't be prolonged like this, the hackers have been part of the problem for more then a year before and after issues with anyone and before any gank sessions have started. The only reason people choose to attack back because nothing is done which then leads to chaos on duelyard, many times has the issue been arrised yet its still an issue. Regardless what reason that is, is beside the point not a single word has been spoken on the matter of a potential fix or an expansion on modding services in any part of the game.

[shy fog]

Back before the hacking ever started EU had the most moderators and yet the worst FFA problem

It was so bad it caused moderators to leave

Sure I can sit there and blame the devs for not having private servers or not having a proper duel mode

But I can equally blame all those involved in the FFAing too

[robust axle]

I'm not blaming TB, all I'm saying is its unfair for you to judge people when it couldve been resolved long ago.

[robust axle]

So why on earth did you guys not just get mods and worsen the punishment? Seems like a very easy fix to me.

[robust axle]

It's funny how there isn't a single active one now though?

[shy fog]

We did worsen the punishment which caused the mods to become targets and nobody to respect them because of the harsher punishments

[robust axle]

And then you just ban them, that's called repulsion you can't honestly think that people won't retaliate, tb couldve made a way to allowing people to attack others without accepting a duel

Game devs can ip ban people

If your staff get attacked then you make it impossible for that person to play the game

[shy fog]

The problem was the mindset of everyone getting banned

everyone

and I mean Everyone

[robust axle]

Which you can't change sadly

[shy fog]

Felt justified in their FFAing

[robust axle]

So it would be helpful if tb did more

[shy fog]

So none of them even remotely thought it justifiable that they were banned for it

[robust axle]

No one will think they are wrong regardless the reason

[robust axle]

Many ways around it once again

[shy fog]

the truly malicious do

[robust axle]

Like in duel servers

[shy fog]

Even the hackers hold no to little ill will towards us for banning them over and over again

but the RDMers oh boy

They hate us

[robust axle]

There isn't a pop up telling you to flourish in game to start a duel except "flourish to initiate" in the title

[shy fog]

Yes and that has been my criticism of TB not making an actual free form duel mode

They've done so before in Deadliest warrior

[robust axle]

If a msg was put up most of those people who think they get banned for no reason who'd be aware they were breaking the rules before they even do it

You can expect or force people to like each other but you can make the place they congregate more acceptable and understanding for all.

[shy fog]

My only theory is that EU is the only place where there is a language barrier

So when someone who doesn't know the rules just starts swinging

there's an even chance they won't respond to people yelling at them

Whereas in other regions they do know they're being yelled at

[robust axle]

First time I joined a duel server someone had to explain to me simply because I was confused

But the language barrier isn't the customers fault, if yiu are going to provide a service to someone, you provide the whole service that's dictates to their needs you can't expect people to know all of anything, common sense isn't so common..

[shy fog]

Not passing blame with that one

Just trying to figure out why EU was worse than everywhere else

worse than South America

[robust axle]

A simple tutorial to explain duels or even a pop up with a short video would resolve a whole lot of problems

[robust axle]

That's because their is a wider range of culture in EU, so you get people who clash more

[shy fog]

There's also more clans in EU

Far more than in NA

[robust axle]

There you go

[shy fog]

And for whatever reasons where there's clans there's animonisty between them

[robust axle]

More culture, more clans = more headbutts

[shy fog]

Well that's where my "congratulations you're all idiots" comment came in

dude busy trying to justify RDMing becuase "well the other clan does it"

[robust axle]

I'd say eu culture is more likely to say shit that's unwarranted to others over a game but not every clan dislikes each other, many are resolved around beef and others are just there to sit in there clan and help when they can

[shy fog]

facepalmed so hard I broke my desk at that one

Not what you just said the thing I quoted

[robust axle]

But this is where that language barrier is hit once again and as a mod you should understand that imo

[robust axle]

With the current beef many cc members can't play the game, so when they see those responsible for that they do it back since there is no resolve on tbs behalf, once again is people acting from emotion and not logic

Many people who play chiv aren't full grown adults, some are teenagers still learning and growing as people

[shy fog]

Apologies for being unable to respect adults acting like 5 year olds

Maybe it's my fault for thinking everyone is in their 20s

[robust axle]

Insulting people is deemed as bullying if the rules can't be respected then why have them? You are suppose to preach those rules and make sure it's in check yet that is the definition as such, I'm not tryna tell you to apologise, just telling you my opinion on the matter

[robust axle]

But it's not your fault, you can't know everything especially something that some people don't like to provide

All you can do is be best to understand it in the other shoe

[shy fog]

Right now the hackers make the underlying issue impossible to solve

They have to be gone first

And the only ones who can solve that are TB

You know how OCE works?

There's multiple clans

But there is one single community

Run by people outside of the clans

[robust axle]

And we know how that is gonna go, again regardless for reason tb aren't the fastest devs out there

[shy fog]

Keeps everyone together and keeps the clans from ripping each other to bits

[robust axle]

Such thing probably wouldn't exist in chiv

[shy fog]

when the clans get beef and they do they take it up with the community leaders

[robust axle]

If tb haven't appointed more mods for eu then I don't seem them appointing this either

No offence to them but its just based on the information provided

[shy fog]

This all happens outside of TB

organised by the community themselves

[robust axle]

But how can that happen when you have people who want to claim the community for their own?

So it just loops back the same issue and hasn't been resolved

That keeps getting brushed under the rug and ignored.

[shy fog]

Well I would have hoped the clans would have united a bit over the hackers

But no everyone just gets treated with more suspicion now

[robust axle]

Some have

Others have left the game

[shy fog]

Not helped of course by the hackers coming from many different backgrounds

[robust axle]

And some have joined them

It wouldn't be hard for tb to find the accounts who use hacks

[shy fog]

It's super easy

But they just make more

[robust axle]

To the entire Community it just seems like TB don't care and who can blame them? There is no communication from them toward the matter or most matters in fact.

[robust axle]

Once again loops back to ip bans

[shy fog]

Why does everyone think we don't do this?

[robust axle]

License bans on the steam account

Or even better

A better Anti cheat software

[shy fog]

Well that's the problem

[robust axle]

Because nothing is said and the same accounts come back

[shy fog]

the hackers aren't actually hacking

[robust axle]

No they are using ingame code

Which is written by TB

[shy fog]

Which means TB can fix that code

[robust axle]

Yet they haven't? And if they are going to why does it once again get ignored and nothing is said for a future update?.

[shy fog]

That's the question

[robust axle]

Communication is seriously lacking imo

[shy fog]

Welcome to TB for the past 10 years

They've never quite mastered communication

[robust axle]

Then who can seriously blame the players?.

[shy fog]

Me

[robust axle]

Especially those who don't know tbs rep

And as a mod you shouldn't

You are suppose to help resolves issues

Not antagonise them further

[shy fog]

Yes and one of my big solutions is to tell everyone to grow up

[robust axle]

Yet once again that doesn't work

You cannot control people

This is a game, people play and act on it how they see fit

Because there isn't enough of this that or the other

So it's way past blaming players

Telling them to grow up. when nothing is done they just take it into their own hands

If the root of the problem was fixed

There wouldn't be a problem, 1+1=2

[shy fog]

Well what's the root of the problem?

Cos I think we disagree on what that is

[robust axle]

If tb want the community to change it act differently then they need to come out under their rock and say something, tell us they actually care and wanna so something.

[robust axle]

Anti cheat is the problem

[shy fog]

See I see the hacking as a symptom

Not the root cause

It's the worst part of it for sure

[robust axle]

The worst part of it is defo the devs and their anti cheat, there is no communication, no insight, no future fix and 0 remorse that they actually care about there game or fan base

If you were to ask all parties for reason you'd get similar answers

But the main thing here is the hackers stopping all of the community playing not just one clan or group

[shy fog]

I suppose I'm looking too far in the future with my goals

When really the hacking should be the main priority

[robust axle]

The priority is the root, Anti cheat and the code

If you say the hackers have ways around every possible thing done maybe get the root and not the hackers

If the code and anti cheat was fixed/updated then hacking wouldn't even be possible

[shy fog]

They wouldn't have ways if TB disabled the ways

[robust axle]

Which in turn at least stops the community from having their game ruined, once that path has been fulfilled then tb can look further into beef between the community for whatever reason of that their is

[robust axle]

Exactly

[shy fog]

Did you know the game performs speed checks on left, right and backwards movement

But not fowards

Rubber bands you to the correct speed

[robust axle]

So nothing new about the game then, more then one thing broken

[shy fog]

It's not broken it's deliberate

[robust axle]

Speed hacks are a continuous thing

So why doesn't it stop speed hacks?

Seems broken to me

[shy fog]

Oh it does for anyone speed hacking backwards or sideways

But it doesn't apply for forward movement

[robust axle]

Goofy to me

[shy fog]

My "Guess" as to why it is is becuse of wifi

If you're on bad wifi these speed limiters get false positives

[robust axle]

So then you scrap that since it would be almost impossible for any code to fight a bad signal

You get a idea that performs such actions

[shy fog]

@shy prism it was a guess based on other UE games that do something similar

And since this is on console

A lot of people have shite setups

[fair mist]

NA Central duels is hell

[shy fog]

NA west best NA

[fair mist]

East is probably better. I have terrible ping in West anyways so I don't know how it is but I didn't know that West is chill

[shy prism]

Only because it's actually moderated

[fair mist]

I don't know about South Central since the servers went extinct

[shy prism]

Rip south central duelyards

[fair mist]

https://tenor.com/view/lmao-pissed-off-tantrum-angry-gif-13759527

[blazing wolf]

every game gets cheated in. the reason it's so bad in chiv is because there are no consequences.

[shy fog]

Ahh but it's why they cheat

That's the difference

Here the cheating is purely to piss people off

Rather than to win which is why most of them cheat

[blazing wolf]

this is incorrect

[shy fog]

Why do they then

[blazing wolf]

^

[shy fog]

Not at all

[blazing wolf]

was a cheat developer for years and have been in the cheating community for longer. thinking most people cheat to be better is the incorrect general opinion of most people.

in other games, people tend to be cautious with exploits since once it gets known, the devs will usually patch it. chivalry has a server crasher issue that's not been patched for over a year and a critical permissions issue that took the devs months to notice let alone disabling commands before patching.

[shy fog]

None of that means they're doing it just to annoy people

I don't see how an ESP or even a straight up wallhack accomplishes that

Even the speed hackers in this game and I mean the real ones, not the ones you see in duels only speed themselves up slightly

[blazing wolf]

this is a byproduct of anticheats

[shy fog]

The ones the anti cheat does detect

They're wanting an edge by this behaviour

[blazing wolf]

if you go back 10 years ago virtually no one was closet cheating

[shy fog]

I'd largely agree with you on that

[blazing wolf]

anticheats are the main reason people have to pretend to be legit nowadays

• eac and vac both have ai components now

[shy fog]

People were pretending long before they were AI assisted

[blazing wolf]

yes but only in high stakes like tournaments

the causal cheater would not

[blazing wolf]

the precursor to vac's ai component was overwatch in csgo. before overwatch you would have more people spinbotting in games than closet cheating.

when valve added the wingman game mode, they forgot to turn on overwatch and high elo was just spinbotters.

[shy fog]

Well maybe the rise of the Chinese middle class gamer has formed my current perspective on the matter

But of course you could use the argument that they're only doing it because everyone else is

It's an epidemic

[blazing wolf]

100%

however in 2023 some of these exploits just shouldn't exist in a game

[shy fog]

Without question

[blazing wolf]

also TB actually attempted to fix the tracking issue

[fair mist]

Just like the dude who's posting content of him cheating in Chiv 2 and posting it on YouTube

[alpine dew]

The hackers and rdmers from Ven impersonate us. A lot of us. It’s a problem 👍
One of many many problems this game has

But don’t do shit with it

[fallow echo]

Can’t imagine someone impersonating a member of the glorious CC

[alpine dew]

Seriously I am reading your yapping one more time and I have concluded that:

• you have absolutely no clue what you are talking about
• you clearly miss the connection with the EU scene and it’s players
• you clearly are out of bounds as a “moderator”.
• you need to act on ingame and discord violations. You don’t ventilate your personal opinions on matters this big.
• I’m sure this works on the 8 OCE players you need to “moderate” but it’s clear the EU scene is way above your head.

Come up with real solutions. Team up with all (the few remaining) mods and really make a fist against the hackers. It’s the only solution at this moment until TB takes further action.

[signal sphinx]

I still have no idea what cc is, where tf are all these guys coming from

[alpine dew]

We are the guys that live rent free in peoples heads

We control the servers buddy

💀

[full shadow]

It’s funny because this post was made so long ago yet there are still hackers flying around farming lobbies and ddos server when they’re kicked

[weak sierra]

Scared to do stuff because of backlash 💀

[shy fog]

I am of the belief that opinions should be shared to challenge what you believe about something

Also that bit you quoted wasn't just talking about the hackers

[remote sinew]

All things a side, I haven't been keeping track of this thread, has there been at least acknowledgement from the Dev team that they are aware of the issue? Surely all the server downtime can't go un-noticed ?

[shy fog]

At one point a long time ago

[remote sinew]

Thank you

[shy fog]

Actions always speak louder than words anyway

fact of the matter is it's been far too long

Though technically in the last patch notes they also acknowledged the hacking as well

[remote sinew]

Any update on a potential patch/fix for the exploits?

[shy fog]

Nope

TB doesn't tend to say what they're going to do just in case they don't do it

Except for the times they have said what they're going to do and then haven't done it

[remote sinew]

Yeah fair I get that

[forest dirge]

they disabled the family account thing

[signal sphinx]

Xbox did?

[forest dirge]

no for steam, gamepass is still lawless

[jade raft]

I have reported 4 hackers only yesterday. Please do something about this quickly.

[alpine dew]

Yeah @shy fog do something

[shy fog]

Something has already been done apparently

[weak sierra]

Cant wait for the said 4 to make another email pay 1 euro for gamepass and go again

[shy prism]

they're going to let gamepass expire

[languid kernel]

there wasnt

the most recent patch made cheating more acessible

ive noticed more exploits and more hackers since the new update

[quick salmon]

if you join CC discord without being a member you can't see anything so

[broken arch]

As a CC we will kill the rdmer and hacker nonstop

[shy fog]

RDM the RDMer

Doesn't that make you the RDMer?

[quartz root]

No

[shy fog]

That’s cope

Because yes it does

[quartz root]

How about you Cope these nuts instead

[bold crystal]

Maybe cause the anticheat sucks donkey dick

Same AC as elden ring and there's a shit load of cheaters on there using cheatengine

I guarantee banning them will do nothing too cause the devs don't care if someone just buys another steam account in order to ban evade

[quartz root]

The issue is Gamepass physically doesn't have an anticheat.

There's some restrictions regarding AC implementation there from what I've heard but I'd be the wrong person to talk to about that specific topic

[shy fog]

No the anti cheat doesn't detect this particular "hack"

As it's really more of an exploit than a hack

People were using it on steam accounts no issue

The AC works great against normal hacks

So the regular paid for hacks people get from websites it detects and bans for

Just not this tailor made thing

[quartz root]

That's true yeah

Still, with the way an AC manages accounts, just having one makes it easier to sift through them

[broken arch]

Not a all

Sounds like you don't believe in Right & Wrong

[shy fog]

What you are doing is not right

It is wrong

Same logic as the damn hackers

Staggering how you don’t see that

But maybe you don’t understand them

[weak sierra]

Tell me you don't play the game without telling me you dont play the game. Honestly you go try getting hunted for over a fucking year while just trying to play the game. We are the only clan that is active that is actively fighting against this, this wouldn't of started if we weren't A on huntbots that actually track us so ffaers can join plus hackers and ruin our experience. What would you like us to do report it? To the majestic chivmail which does absolutely nothing when these idiots can have a new account in 30 seconds? Please tell me what the correct course of action is here buddy I'll wait

[shy fog]

Don’t hunt them down back

All that accomplished is making you a bigger target

There’s even people in this thread who’ve called CC a bunch of FFAers

[weak sierra]

We're a big enough target regarldess i don't think you understand that we are hunted fot existing

[shy fog]

Because of you guys deciding to hunt down FFAers yourselves

[shy fog]

Oh no no no nobody is hunted for existing

If that were true everyone would be an equally sized target

That’s not the case

[weak sierra]

Proves how much you know about the situation

The hackers hunt anyone that presses K on their votes

[shy fog]

Oh yes arrogance is great at solving problems

[weak sierra]

Ironic coming from you

I'll ask the question again

What would you like us to do about being constantly ffad and cheated on considering chivmail DOESN'T DO SHIT

[shy fog]

I’m separating the FFAers and hackers here just for clarification

Against the hackers I don’t care what you do to them

[quartz root]

You don’t know what your are talking about and it shows 😂🤣

[weak sierra]

The ffaers that we "hunt" are part of ven hunt squads that actively target us with them

[shy fog]

Ok then explain to me how your solution is even a solution

And not in any way counter productive

[weak sierra]

Once we start beating them they call their cheating friends

[shy fog]

So making the problem worse

Brilliant

Well done

[quartz root]

The solution is to fight back

[shy fog]

Yeah how?

[weak sierra]

How the fuck are you a mod

[shy fog]

As Scott just outlined how that’s a bad idea

[quartz root]

Wdym how?

[shy fog]

Do you not know how?

Simple question

[quartz root]

By fighting them plain and simple

[weak sierra]

All your doing is starting confrontation and saying our best course of action is to let it happen

[shy fog]

How does it work is what I meant by that

How is it solving the problem

[weak sierra]

How is us doing nothing solving it

No duel mods exist we fight back

[shy fog]

By making them bored because at the end of the day they’re ALL Attention seekers

That’s what they want

They’re all losers

Bottom feeders

All they want is someone to engage with them

[weak sierra]

Lemon serious question do you actually play the game and are you EU

[shy fog]

And you take the bait

[shy fog]

Yes and no but this is just avoiding my point

[quartz root]

So we should just sit and let them do as they please and be there bitch

[weak sierra]

It isn't your not even aware of half the situation

[shy fog]

You’re not being their bitch

[quartz root]

You are if you just them let kill and over and over again and you don’t fight back

[shy fog]

RDMers pick targets

They pick their targets based on how much fun it’s going to be to annoy someone

[weak sierra]

The whole ass comminity in eu is bringing this to attention granted tb is working on it but your literally saying we should just allow ourselves to be killed constantly while trying to play the game normally. Ffaers are not the problem here considering you beat them a few times or vk them and they fuck off. Ven are a huge problem considering they have active squads to hunt people without cheats then when they lose they call cheaters. So for the final time please tell me how doing nothing is ideal in this situation

[shy fog]

Which is based on how much they are engaged with

[shy fog]

Once again I told you I’m just talking about the RDMers here

[weak sierra]

So your refusing to answer me got it

[shy fog]

I told you it makes you less of a target

[weak sierra]

Ive just said the normal rdmrs aren't the issue reply to the other statement

[shy fog]

My reply to the other statement was “I don’t care what you do to the hackers”

[weak sierra]

I have been told from the leader of this cheating group that "cc is never off"

Yea what about the rdmers that are hunting us with the cheaters though. Its not like we're going around hunting ffaers that are level fucking 15 that have only got the game for the first time

So allow them to constantly kill us so they dont call cheaters to crash the servers

[shy fog]

Welp you gotta figure out the reason why Ven is going after you

And don’t stop at “we just exist”

[weak sierra]

I may aswell talk to a brick wall

Ive explained it to you, your not even 30% qualifed to speak on this situation considering your already in the wrong region

[broken arch]

That's Like you get bully without doing anything at school

[weak sierra]

I'm not gonna type the same shit over and over again I've told you why we're hunted because we wont allow cheaters, the cheaters have their own rdm groups what the fuck is it your not understanding

[shy fog]

You’re not considering CCs own reputation

There were even people in this thread earlier calling CC a bunch of RDMers

Not to mention reports going back months about CC members

Some of your members have dun fucked up

And that reflects on everyone

Even if you’re a saint

[weak sierra]

Honestly we couldn't give a shit about the reputation simple as that, if we're gonna get hunted we'll do something about it until the devs are done

We dont go out of our way to hunt innocent people

[craggy trench]

Bruh im a saint

[shy fog]

And that’s the problem you don’t care about your own reputation yet that is where the problem lies

[craggy trench]

And i support CC's actions

😂

[weak sierra]

The tldr of it is leave us alone we leave you alone

[shy fog]

Well sometimes you’ve kinda missed and hit someone innocent

[weak sierra]

Under qualified to speak about innocence

[shy fog]

And by “you’ve” I mean the clan membership at large

[shy fog]

Yeah like you guys collect evidence to figure out who to murder

[weak sierra]

Actually we do

[shy fog]

Oh really

Care to share?

[weak sierra]

With you absolutely not

[shy fog]

Oh yes so you don’t want the moderators to do anything about it

[weak sierra]

We have dedicated channels to tracking hackers and ffaers tjat hunt us

[quartz root]

You don’t do shit anyways 💩

[weak sierra]

You already dont 🤷

[shy fog]

And you don’t use chivmail at all

[weak sierra]

Wanna check my logs?

Ive reported to chiv mail plenty of times

[broken arch]

Chivmail don't stop the same hacker for months

[weak sierra]

Also wanna read over this?

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1174474344643174461/1182447050131001354/report.PNG?ex=6584baa1&is=657245a1&hm=147e0b3580622b93c4c4775adbca089eb2304655e204fcb36f01463e5f0f96e6&

For legal reasons I'm not saying who this is but checked the id of a processed report from you guys and they were online yesterday

The report was processed over 3 day ago

[craggy trench]

Yikes

Seems like someone is'nt doing his work

[shy fog]

And how are you checking IDs?

[quartz root]

my report isnt even being read lol

[shy fog]

I did it was highly entertaining

[stable arrow]

Under the same ID or different ID?

[weak sierra]

Same id on chivstats allows you to check their past names and stuff

[quartz root]

so instead of doing your job you are laughing at us, got it

[weak sierra]

Connect your a dev i appreciate you, but we need more active mods for eu

[shy fog]

It wasn’t a player report unless you’re talking about a different one

[quartz root]

I thought I could also report discord users, in any case, I sent many reports about hackers

you literally broke this server's rules btw

[weak sierra]

Also due to gamepass aswell cheaters can have a new account within minutes

[stable arrow]

Those interested in moderation can request @grand rain to send them an application form

The individual would start off as a Helper if approved

[weak sierra]

Multiple people have applied and had no luck, is it you guys that deal with appointing mods or is it the moderation team

[stable arrow]

Generally it's a discussion between moderators and head mods when the time allows it.

Multiple factors considered when looking at a mod application (which is something I can't really share or highlight further)

[glossy scarab]

Fighting hackers is useless

[glossy scarab]

Lemon is right about that

[quartz root]

this explains a lot

[shy fog]

It gives them what they want

They’re the same as the RDMers

[glossy scarab]

Hackers dont want attention

[shy fog]

Some do

[quartz root]

they want obedience

[glossy scarab]

ven dont

[shy fog]

Others want revenge

Power

[glossy scarab]

non ven hackers want attention

[weak sierra]

Again tho gimme a solution then lemon don't even reply I'm asking doby

[shy fog]

He didn’t like my solutions

[glossy scarab]

scott you cant as a player do anything against hackers

[weak sierra]

I'm aware but against hunt squads of ven what do we do when they're not cheating allow them to ffa us?

[glossy scarab]

in that case you're fucked and cant do anything

[shy fog]

You can only make it worse pretty much as a player

[weak sierra]

So only thing to do is attempt to fight back, until we get private servers and the devs fix the cheating problem its the only thing we can do

[shy fog]

Well no that makes it worse

[glossy scarab]

yes

you cant do anything

[weak sierra]

Lemon your solutions make no sense im finished speaking with you as you dont know half the situation, atleast doby knows the situation

[glossy scarab]

well

you can download hacks aswell

[shy fog]

They make perfect sense they just don’t feel great to do

[stable arrow]

Also a friendly reminder - keep debates civil

[shy fog]

But how either of us “feel” doesn’t matter in the grand schemer of things

[weak sierra]

Wrong

[weak sierra]

Tell this to your mod whos called us all idiots

[glossy scarab]

essentially the solution is to wait for the devs to do something

until then nothing helps

[shy fog]

I didn’t call you all idiots…

[quartz root]

the solution is setting your DPI to 30k and buying a gaming chair

[weak sierra]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1093882675770708029/1182711558585974927/image.png?ex=6585b0f9&is=65733bf9&hm=8e9e0ec96eb9723c439934b1cfcfdd08e5499f658d7c6e1a0cc278f581ba6e77&

Must be an alt

[shy fog]

Priest is being highly disingenuous with that image

[quartz root]

bro is the master of gaslighting

bro what you wrote that I didnt

[weak sierra]

I was part of the conversation you called us all idiots for trying to defned ourselves against ffaers

[quartz root]

[glossy scarab]

stop this silly argument I idgaf about it

[weak sierra]

Then LEAVE

[glossy scarab]

scott accept that you cant do anything against hackers

[weak sierra]

No haha

[glossy scarab]

then you will get hunted for eternity

[bitter robin]

Y'all are idiots

[glossy scarab]

no u nerd

[weak sierra]

Private servers 2024 we'll see

[shy fog]

This is what I’ve been trying to say all this time

[quartz root]

you get hunted for voting K

[quartz root]

Oh here we go

[glossy scarab]

then dont vote K, please remove this slowmode

[weak sierra]

They can hunt me all they want without hacks

[stable arrow]

Take some time out to cool off

[bitter robin]

Hi dingle

[shy fog]

It’s drama and emotions that caused all this mess in the first place

[weak sierra]

Nope

[quartz root]

https://tenor.com/view/frog-yeah-no-yeah-no-disagree-gif-16846087569315350011

[glossy scarab]

accept that you cant do anything against hackers

[bitter robin]

Accept this 🖕

[quartz root]

❤️

[glossy scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/yapping-yapper-yapping-man-old-guy-yapping-keep-yapping-gif-16586719177455162521

[bitter robin]

If one funny clip gets made of a hacker dying that's a win in my book

[weak sierra]

Real

[bitter robin]

Damn 1min slow mode okay byeeeee

[stable arrow]

https://tenor.com/view/golds-anime-anime-nichijou-goat-flip-gif-5832335

[glossy scarab]

skill issue

[alpine dew]

Holy shit

Please torn banner. I hope it was a mistake to make @shy fog a moderator.

It’s very clear this person is not qualified to do moderation. He acts on personal opinion rather than factual information. He calls one of the last, biggest, worldwide clans names and makes accusations towards us. He doesn’t know anything about the situation in the EU duelist scene. This whole situation is turning out to be a really terrible movie.
I’ve never encountered a person in a moderators position with such narrow tunnel vision and lack of awareness. What a shame.

Where is the community manager? We need help or this game dies out soon.

[stable arrow]

Lemonator is fine, things were just heated and he's shown regret for the "idiotic" remark in terms of what he was trying to highlight (that when you attack someone, it can potentially encourage the other to attack). Do understand everyone here is speaking with wanting good.

[shy fog]

I apologize for the use of the word “idiots”. I was highlighting the fact that RDMing others because they also do it just makes the problem never end. Putting nobody in the right. That particular discussion where that occurred didn’t have anything to do with the hacking situation.

[quartz root]

Don’t switch up now

haha he got caught and only now is apologising

LOL

[shy fog]

Not a switch up. I just under estimated use of language. It’s my down under ways we talk straight to each other.

[stable arrow]

Regardless on lingering thoughts, we can move on now from that

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udz8Pk0oRng

[vast peak]

https://youtu.be/Hi5YhZ0oAiw?si=lMtLFI05kUDWgIWx

[alpine dew]

Let’s keep it civilized. But for real. The situation is far worse than you people think.

I get it, you guys act on information from chivmail. But the situation is far worse. It would help a lot if there were some representatives from CC that can talk with a community manager. We have over 200 members worldwide and are on good standing with more larger player groups. We share opinions. Please reach out to us.. the hacker situation really is worse than what you guys could possibly see and act on at this moment.

And..
@shy fog
We all make mistakes. But you think you know the situation. But it really is above your understanding at this point. If you like that or not.

Please reach out to us, @stable arrow @shy fog or even better, a functioning community manager. It needs to be addressed a.s.a.p.

[shy fog]

A lot of what I was talking about wasn’t about the hackers which has added to the confusion. The hackers part is the part we all agree on.

[alpine dew]

Yes but you don’t understand the fact that there is a whole structure within the hackers/ffa clans. Look at it as foot soldiers who ffa and the actual hackers who pull the strings.

You guys don’t know half of it….

[shy fog]

That had all been made perfectly clear

I just didn’t see how that changed anything at the end of the day

If anything it makes engaging with the RDMers even less of a good idea from a normal player’s perspective

[alpine dew]

To be fair, I think it’s above you now. This cannot be handled by moderation and the past few months have made that perfectly clear. We need to speak to someone that is actually influential in this game and community otherwise Chivalry 2 will end up having a few dozen people playing soon.

[shy fog]

The hacking has to be solved before anything else can be done

That much I agree with

[alpine dew]

Yeah but we scream for help for months now. Moderation can’t do shit about it.

TB needs to be very grateful with such a concerned and caring community… but it starts to crumble now. And it goes fast.

[stable arrow]

I can't share details about fixes and updates but security improvements are things we do and have done before. Those that highlight these issues in the past privately we are very much thankful for 🙏

As always, can't state or share ETAs, official channels have better sharing of that.

[weak sierra]

hey @stable arrow while your active any thoughts on a ranked system?

[quartz root]

I doubt ranked would even be worth thinking about until the hacking issue is fixed

[weak sierra]

True but I'm just curious if it's being thought about in future

[quartz root]

Ah gotcha, I doubt that it's anything they can share tbh regardless of whether it will happen or not.

[fair mist]

Not if you fall victim

[small path]

Ven on top! Cc will quit 💯

[limber loom]

Been 1 year buddy

[small path]

So funny to read cc crying🤣 u all deserve it 💩

[limber loom]

Not really but you will be all cut out from comp prov servers so, enjoy ur cheats till u can

[small path]

Sure sure 😉

[limber loom]

Funny that the cheaters are allowed in the official disc frl

[small path]

Who cheats

Aight tc 👋 c y a in chiv

[limber loom]

Funny guy really

[alpine dew]

Funny they think they can bring a clan this big, down with hacks and ffa ganks

[quartz root]

Wow, what a pathetic loser

[small path]

Emos

Cringe clan, will never stop hit you on sight 😉

[quartz root]

ok keep cheating

[limber loom]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-not-its-where-are-gif-18387301

[weak sierra]

chat by yourself big man, you cant even play on a main acount because no one has any resepct for ye

[quartz root]

he still is

[limber loom]

Cheats might have fused your few last neurons ngl

[weak sierra]

invite him back ill say it again?

[broken arch]

Anyone who cheat on game has a mental illness problem

Psychosis

[fair mist]

Am I weird for saying that my friend has cheats on his PC? I don't cheat anyways

[broken arch]

You should ignore him forever

Depend the cheating

[fair mist]

He showed me a clip of him b#$tching a gamepass cheater after he killed

He turned his cheats after that but for only the gamepass dude

[broken arch]

Worth it

[fair mist]

It is but he still is petty whenever. Hell if a votekick doesn't work then he'll turn on his cheats and rdm the dude til he quits ( which also causes the server to go down with him, but only if he gets vk while the rdmer still in the server )

[broken arch]

If I know how to cheat I will add all players to fly

It's not fun to kill a player with speeding attacks like that

[fair mist]

He was fed up with him

[weak trench]

Basically @weak sierra

lemon means you must submit

You still might get 1 tapped but just keep beg emoting

[weak sierra]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[quartz root]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-darth-maul-submit-or-suffer-submit-suffer-gif-25005236

[velvet magnet]

On CC defense as im wittnessing it right now while typing this and making a report to chiv mail. They definitely do get targeted and a hacker does join with CC tag on it to rdm them all.

[weak sierra]

apprciate you

[limber loom]

https://tenor.com/view/time-will-tell-bobby-the-oval-well-see-lets-see-gif-23719944

[velvet magnet]

https://medal.tv/games/chivalry-2/clips/1Ig2mtSOP-vRYA/d1337fUZLFgo?invite=cr-MSxId2osMTg2MjMxMTY4LA

[quartz root]

@scarlet pilot mind telling us why you run with hackers and ffa people on duel servers?

[limber loom]

(He probs wanna do the funny ngl)

[velvet magnet]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-todo360-youre-in-trouble-now-you-are-in-trouble-youre-in-trouble-gif-22019851

[fair mist]

So he's a CC hater

[velvet magnet]

The guys that i clipped yes.

[limber loom]

I dmd u

[signal mantle]

@quartz root Why do you ragequit when i beat you 3-0 in duel servers? Come back on.

[quartz root]

stop ffaing me then

[signal mantle]

You + CC only dares to RDM when you are 3+ running around in groups to fight 1 person solo

[signal mantle]

Hello? Do i have to find you again? I remember you from months back you kept on RDMing me when i was a new player

[quartz root]

I don't know you and I don't ffa

[weak sierra]

hey Mclovin, there is another priest of judas that does indeed go around ffaing people, its not one of our guys just to make you aware its probably not him, I actually called him out for the same thing when he joined

[signal mantle]

Yeah, whatever. I remember much well

[weak sierra]

no im serious i called him out for the same thing, cause i used to get ffad by a priest of judas too, its not him

[signal mantle]

Sure.

[quartz root]

you want proof?

[signal mantle]

Mclovin is not me either, it was someone else who attacked him.

[scarlet pilot]

Priest i would of acted more mature about this and resolve this peacefully in dms but you have decided to block me but the fact you posted nothing related to CC and as far as i know none of those people are in CC but if you are willing to let this rest so am i im ready to keep things peaceful

[limber loom]

Stop using this thread for random beef holy mid

[scarlet pilot]

@limber loom well if he didn’t block me this wouldn’t of happened here or for that matter him stirring the pot

[limber loom]

He did good blocking u

[scarlet pilot]

Sure whatever

Priest started shit with me before he even joined CC i remember what happened vividly and what map etc

Now im getting the blame for shit people have done not willing to own up to shit

The fact CC dosent know what priest has done is outstanding and you lot defend him this is just like when CC had a cheater in there clan (AKA Alphagreen)

You lot didn’t even wanna your cheater kicked until we pushed for it and then you kicked him out of CC

[limber loom]

We?

Lmfao 😂😂😂

Taylor just stop talking it might be better.

[scarlet pilot]

You have had cheaters in your clan such as Alphagreen and refused to get shit done for days on end

[limber loom]

Spoiler( Alphagreen is on xbox)

[scarlet pilot]

Spoiler alphagreen isnt xbox

[broken arch]

@scarlet pilot don't you kill me with your lame ass mental illness cheat?

[scarlet pilot]

I do not have cheats

[limber loom]

But he is

[scarlet pilot]

He isnt younder id think id know being a console player on xbox bro

[limber loom]

Pretty sure the only alphagreen we had was on xbox

For like 2 weeks

[scarlet pilot]

Wrong

[limber loom]

Like you saying you aren't Ven then using plural?

[scarlet pilot]

I am not in ven

[limber loom]

Do u have an alter ego

[scarlet pilot]

No i dont

[limber loom]

Pretty sure you used "we"

[scarlet pilot]

Thats a good joke bro

[limber loom]

[scarlet pilot]

But oh well people getting involved in my personal beef its all over now so im leaving this here to rest but one more thing that video is unrelated to CC

Have a good rest of your night love you all

[shy fog]

Pro tip

Don’t have beef

[fair mist]

There's no use the only way to counter them is to do it back.

My friend for an example, he doesn't cheat much if he sees one then he'll turn his cheats on so he can put the cheater in his place ( As in repeatdly killing the cheater )

[shy fog]

This is how the hacking started

It was built to kill RDMers

It was too much power for them to handle however

[fair mist]

He puts them down if he sees one

[shy fog]

That’s what the hackers were saying 6 months ago

Look at them now

[fair mist]

He's some how still holding on to the light and using that power against them

[alpine dew]

I’m glad people start to notice now.

[ivory forge]

duel servers are dead now, have been like this since at least 6-9 months now. i've only been playing TO from time to time (enjoy it untill hackers have cleaned up duel servers and are coming for TO). let's just hope private servers are coming 2025/2026 (if we were being optimistic that is).

[ivory forge]

stfu taylor, everybody knows ur an ffaer that runs around and rdms

[weak sierra]

This is 100 fucking percent true. The whole reason they give is " we started cheating to kill rdmers" but as you all know they have a power trip now they're on a god complex now

[languid kernel]

He isnt in ven he just hunts with them

[alpine dew]

Uhg. What are you implying? Like that isn’t just as bad. He’s Ven without using the VEN tag. Boohoo.

Wake up 🤦

[languid kernel]

I was being sarcastic.. He's not ven hes just a fanboy ffaer of theirs lol

[torpid hound]

Can't they just pass me the ban hammer for a few days trial? Have a clean record since Epic release, have good judgement on who is a bad hacker and a well tempered ego.
Having a few loyal players with a ban button would be extremely helpful dealing with hackers immediately until a more permanent solution is in place

Hell, i spend half my time spectating hackers to record evidence for the ChivMail. Would be a heck of a lot quicker if i could just delete them then and there rather than let their griefing carry on until a Mod does it

[weak sierra]

Send an application to apply as mod to not get it seen 🤓

[quartz root]

this would be the smart thing to do, too bad TB isn't smart

[velvet magnet]

Honestly i wouldnt hold your breath on that as Connect failed to say that people have been applying and gotten no replies from them. Its safe to say they aint recruiting anymore people at the moment. I applied like a month ago and gotten no response whether I was accepted or denied.

[torpid hound]

https://tenor.com/view/rage-amok-the-shining-kitchen-scene-freak-out-gif-22391941

guess we'll wait for the private servers and enjoy the never ending fisting from hackers till then

[velvet magnet]

Honestly from my understanding a lot of people are switching to Mobius when it comes out

[shy prism]

Mobius do have me watching. They are planning better community involvement

[velvet magnet]

Yes Keyetso and couple of others have been looking into it and they definitely have better involvement with the community. Hell some of the clans already set up their comp group for it as you can sign up early for it.

They keeping comp and casual players separate from each other.

[shy fog]

Less people have applied than people make out

I’ve even had people ask me how to apply then they don’t end up doing so

[velvet magnet]

So if its a small amount then whats the hold up on picking people? I will say EU duel servers are completely fucked and no mod seems to want to go in to do anything about it like they do in NA duel servers.

[shy fog]

Using the same standards we always use

People gotta be willing to do more than just duels

Can’t have any red flags of course

[velvet magnet]

That doesnt answer the question? I just asked whats the hold up on picking people.

[shy fog]

It does it’s saying no one that’s been looked at is suitable

Evidenced by the fact there’s no one new in EU

Yet you can see new mods in other regions

[velvet magnet]

Does it specifically have to be EU mods to deal with issues in EU?

[shy fog]

Nope but time zones make that tricky

I can do 5am EU

[velvet magnet]

Are you able to come to 2769 at the moment? Hackers are on currently lol

[shy fog]

I’m at work

[velvet magnet]

Damn any mod available you could probably message then?

Honestly it seems like they always on and its the same hackers from what i seen on different times.

[shy fog]

It’s probably the same group of hackers on new accounts who just got actioned 2 hours ago

[velvet magnet]

Same accounts though they had for 2 days now

[shy fog]

Well the last time someone said it was the same accounts based on chivstats they were wrong

[velvet magnet]

Same player ID i keep them.

I did report them yesterday, still waiting for it too be processed but yeah its the same accounts with different names thats all.

[languid kernel]

there will already be hacks for that when its out

[velvet magnet]

Thats like every game lol. What matters is the devs actually doing something about it

Free to play games are always ez targets for hackers as they simply just keep making new accounts and not pay a dime doing it. Games that actually make you pay $40 for each copy you find less hackers on as they dont want to keep wasting money doing it.

[forest dirge]

and there is the gamepass 1$trial to end all fun ;D

[velvet magnet]

i consider that technically free to play lol

[shy fog]

You might want to censor that first one

Also why are the people who take this dumb shit this far always Romanian

[limber loom]

@blazing wolf thoughts?

[shy fog]

As long as he's got the IP he can blast any server he wants

[alpine dew]

A decent server hosting company has very good ddos protection, and they will sue/take legal action towards that kinda stuff if it’s extremely frequent.

[shy fog]

legal action against what?

[blazing wolf]

if they actually used loic to take down that duel wheel that's hilarious

[blazing wolf]

they will not sue, significantly cheaper to just terminate the server

[alpine dew]

Yeah no, when someone is renting a server an agreement is made. We should read the little lines in the agreement but if they promise 100% ddos protection they will have to make it happen. Some downtime is understandable but they will not just terminate a server. Bullocks 🤦

[blazing wolf]

(if i wasn't banned from kwa maybe someone competent could've hosted it but whatever)

[blazing wolf]

incorrect. rent yourself a server and ddos it. you cannot guarantee complete ddos protection.

[alpine dew]

How do you think it will make the company look taking the easy way out by just terminating a server because they can’t always protect it?

[alpine dew]

I have years of experience hosting FiveM servers with different server hosters. I know.

[blazing wolf]

okay?

you cannot guarantee complete ddos protection. it is literally impossible. why would a company fork out thousands to sue someone when they can tell you to fuck off and stop hurting our infra.

[alpine dew]

You can’t 100% protect it. But if a company says they will provide, you can expect. They will work hard for it to maintain standards and stability

And no, 100% proof is bullshit. But if you pay money for let’s say, 5 servers, they will want to do at least something.

[shy fog]

Have you ever seen a company do that?

You haven't

Because they don't

[alpine dew]

Yes actually I have. But not for 5$ servers

[blazing wolf]

you're changing the topic. in simple terms, they won't sue. cheaper to terminate. will still try to mitigate.

[shy fog]

Who sued who?

[limber loom]

My question is will the private servers work any differently from the actual servers we have?

[shy fog]

I know I ain't asking you

Princeps said he saw it happen

[blazing wolf]

o right

[shy fog]

"It happens all the time"

No it doesn't

[blazing wolf]

top 10 acts of misinformation

[limber loom]

^

[alpine dew]

Right right what do you imply?

[shy fog]

Server providers if someone gets past their DDOS protection will not hunt down the people doing it

They largely can't anyway

They don't know who's doing what

[blazing wolf]

probably not much. maybe passwords + kicking. they specifically used the word limited when talking about control the admin had.

[alpine dew]

Server hosting company (complete server not just a vm like a 5$ game server) we had terrible ddos problems, they noticed us they were taking legal actions and indeed mitigated and eventually took more action in protection.
What I mean in the end is; they wel try their best and if they open up a market for Chivalry they will not just lat that walk for a few WiFi basement dwellers with some cheating experience

[shy fog]

Legal action against who?

[limber loom]

But i do wonder then if Ddossing a server from the outside is harder or something like that, because we have been able to have a few comp games these weeks just by filling the lobby completely. And they were actively tryinna get in to crash it since they get notified by the huntbot

[alpine dew]

If it would be the same like Mordhau servers, external companies host, and they decided what admin controls there were

[blazing wolf]

no, mordhau provides dedicated server files.

[alpine dew]

Bummer

[limber loom]

@blazing wolf thoughts on this

[shy fog]

It's the easiest way

[alpine dew]

We just need full dedicated server support, would make life so much easier. If they really can ddos inside the chiv client or crash the servers they always do now.. a good protection from passwords would help tons

[blazing wolf]

there's ddos and server crashing but people get confused between the both. server crashing requires the person to be in the server and is a bug with the chiv server. ddos harder to do and can be mitigated.

[shy fog]

Usually the only way

[limber loom]

So they would need to ddoss the private servers right?

[alpine dew]

Who in their right mind would make the effort to do that

[shy fog]

They arent in their right minds

[blazing wolf]

yeah. i know the mm servers are amazon but server browser servers are outsourced to some hosting company. i'm pretty sure they aren't even ddosing server browser servers.

[shy fog]

Theres a video around somewhere explaining how the chivalry servers work

[quartz root]

That's for the MM servers iirc

[limber loom]

Will this be in private servers? Or am i misunderstanding something

[alpine dew]

So end of story, private servers would make good protection for the cheaters

[quartz root]

Whatever Nitrado has

[limber loom]

SteelShield is Nitrado

[blazing wolf]

not really. passwords still get leaked and it will divide the playerbase.

[quartz root]

Ah right, mobile isn't loading images for me. If they advertise it then most likely

[alpine dew]

I don’t care about dividing playerbase. You know the divide? The cheaters at this point.

It’s just who runs the best server with good moderation. For us CC duelists it will stay within our discord probably. And we filter that pretty good. So I’m up for the challenge

[shy fog]

Event passwords get leaked in like 5 minutes

All the time

[quartz root]

Playerbase is inclusive of the cheaters. They are friends with non cheaters

[shy fog]

You think your private server wont have a leak?

[blazing wolf]

this is only provided to enterprise afaik.

[quartz root]

I imagine the datacenter they use will still have DDOS protection

[limber loom]

Most unlikely. But in the case it happens we can just change it.

[alpine dew]

And if we keep it within CC

[quartz root]

Then you need to figure out whose leaking it.

[limber loom]

So we won't have it?

[blazing wolf]

depends on what the deal between tb specifies. doesn't seem like something you can pay extra for as a user.

[shy fog]

It's usually some dumb fuck thinking it won't cause a problem rather than maliciously

[alpine dew]

Yeah but tbh we really have good filters for our new squires. We don’t have lots of bad ones getting in

[blazing wolf]

i mean if you want to create a server just to duel cc players, you can do that now?

[limber loom]

@stable arrow any info on this? Srry for disturbing

[shy fog]

And have it DDOS'd

[blazing wolf]

i don't work for tb xd.

[shy fog]

Cos it's got nothing

[alpine dew]

No we tried that… we don’t get private servers and since they will not change the passwords in case it does leak

[limber loom]

Ik bruder i pinged Mr Dev

[blazing wolf]

oh notif showed weird

[alpine dew]

If TB could give us a server with password, they would make 250 worldwide cc players very happy

[limber loom]

How?

[shy fog]

@limber loom Keep in mind that Merlin if it was the real one was only talking about DDOSing the modded private servers

Not any of the real servers

Because they are largely protected

It's why they use the exploit to crash them instead

[blazing wolf]

yeah the fact they said loic probably means they hosted it on their pc xd

[limber loom]

Oh yea but it's only pc, also they said it's not working yet?

[blazing wolf]

unfortunate.

[shy fog]

His talk about "I'll just attack any private server you make" is either big talk to scare you because he's a fucking loser or he was referring just to those modded servers

[limber loom]

Fr we all thought they were tryinna scare because the countdown has started for them to be banished once again. Was just tryinna confirm if they were just yapping

[glossy scarab]

merlin did ddos before

[shy fog]

He did but there's a reason they use the server crash instead

It's more effective

I remember there was a DDOSer in chiv 1 doing it to clear out servers so people joined his server

where he would then hack people's levels

Eventually we all just stayed in the server whenever one was attacked

He was super banned so could never join and see

And the server broswer never showed high ping from a DDOSed server

So we made him think his attacks weren't working by collectively staying in the server for the duration of the DDOS

Which was only ever 5 minutes long we found out

[blazing wolf]

most likely means they were paying for a "stress testing" service and had the cheapest plan.

[shy fog]

This guy as of 2023 was still doing it too

After 8 years

[blazing wolf]

@hollow sapphire did you actually down the duel wheel with loic?

[limber loom]

I don't think he would admit it🤣

[hollow sapphire]

what

[shy fog]

yeah

Did you?

[hollow sapphire]

what duel wheel? date?

[limber loom]

Clan Wars event final

[blazing wolf]

the nerds banned me beforehand so idk the exact date.

[hollow sapphire]

loic is like a meme bro, nobody actually uses it
you get flagged by your isp and by every node along the path

[alpine dew]

So once again, big mouth, small talk @hollow sapphire

[blazing wolf]

sending a flood from your home network is a meme. was just curious if that's all it took.

[hollow sapphire]

depends on scale and means, you might get into trouble faster by trying to reflect

[hollow sapphire]

silence random

[blazing wolf]

not even getting in trouble. just isn't much throughput.

but i still remember back in like 2013 when that was all you needed over xbox lmfao.

[hollow sapphire]

suprisingly you only need ~4mbs

because aws is working monolith, and with huge spikes in activity it just dies

[hollow sapphire]

it's crazy how younder literally got permabanned by deus and still doesn't believe stuff

[blazing wolf]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1085950142986866750/1105211025814474964/image.png?ex=6589d47a&is=65775f7a&hm=f8bd0e2e962052b31f5160f8970465c4d3a63fad34da2e30d239c2d26186683e&

[limber loom]

Lasted like 2 hours so

Was quickly removed by Tb

[alpine dew]

🤡

[weak trench]

Who lol