Game is going downhill with bows and crossbows buffs.

[smoky tulip]

Eeeeeh just hold right click and now you take at least 10 arrows to kill

[prisma talon]

Only archers think thats actually a counter lol ^

[smoky tulip]

Only a melee only main will think that it actually doesn't make us useless

[left yacht]

most archers are really easy to kill even without a shield when they are singled out or away from the frontline. They are only difficult to kill when they camp near the spawn area (extremely annoying)

[shut stag]

Cause apparently people dont know how to counter so thats an alternative to taking less damage lol

since clearly using a shield is a terrible counter argument apparently lol

[near epoch]

3 melee classes, 9 different subclasses from those to chose from and only 2 with shields. So only 22% of the subclasses spawn as a “melee class counter to archers?” Not to mention that shields have a speed penalty except for devastator that doesn’t spawn with one

[shut stag]

Continue to prove my point lol

Like would you want a demonstration video on how to keep archers in front of you? Would you like a video on how to counter arrows? Need a video on how to use shield? Don't want to use shield or counter the arrows, then ill give you a video on how just straight up blocking reduces damage or keep their teammates in between you and the archer so the archer cant hit you? In all honesty if the devs do look at this post then they will see its a rage post too and it wont go anywhere cause there are plenty of ways to not die to an archer. Idk how else to explain it at this point besides saying good luck to the future of you playing Chiv 2 like @vernal citrus said if you lose sleep over an archer killing you then you shouldnt be playing the game lol.

[near epoch]

You’ve already demonstrated why the game is dying don’t need any more demonstrations

[shut stag]

Then why continue? lol

Actually better yet i can link you to a youtuber who agrees with you but then says Archers are important to the game and shouldnt be removed

[near epoch]

I just state the game mechanics are and what would could help make them better. Like I’m not calling for dmg nerfs. I’m calling for mechanic changes that probably won’t come because dmg nerfs are easier

[shut stag]

Ah okay i thought you wanted them removed too like Jeb but you just wanted custom servers.

[shut stag]

Honestly if you actually check they have been nerfed every update. Plus the devs aint up for a mechanic change especially their recent updates with the new weapons being absolutely broken and the terrible map they came out with. Even tho i would agree for a mechanic change as well but i dont see that happening for Chiv 2 for how broken it is already with just net coding alone.

Like there has been no mercy for nerfs on archer apparently they been getting hit hard after Alpha

[near epoch]

They should have more options for people to enjoy what they like about the game more. LTS, FFA, maybe do a 40 player TO without archers probably be more popular than horses

[shut stag]

Archers are actually way more popular then the horses for how buggy they are.

If they werent so damn buggy then they wouldnt of made just a cav mode that hardly anyone plays from what i heard.

[near epoch]

If people have more options they have less to complain about. But only option without archers in chiv is arena or duels.

[shut stag]

But regardless they wont do this. Only time this will happen if they give us custom servers which will never happen it seems.

[shut stag]

Thats the thing tho it wont happen cause no one is asking for that. Only few are asking for it or removal of archer at this point. Like for them to open up more servers to do something like this would be a waste of money to begin with to just plz a small player count.

What people are asking for the most is Cross Progression, net code fixing, and something else i forget what

ranked modes

[near epoch]

It’d be more popular than horses. And give people an outlet other than play with archers or play something else

[shut stag]

Like think about it this way. The Removal of Hippodrome that took 4 months with more then 80 players responding to the post on how bad that post was. You got only 4 people including yourself in this thread which only honestly yourself have contributed the most with actual arguments. You had 1 troll, 1 person who didnt really contribute much and Jeb which honestly i feel like he hasnt play the game much since he is responding not to just this post but other posts as well and not knowing the weapons before posting.

[shut stag]

Honestly thats the hard truth cause the fact that even with people agreeing including youtubers that archers are really powerful ( Even tho they aint ) they are important to the game on how the devs are making it.

And if a small player count is asking for something like this you aint gonna get it.

[near epoch]

The current state of the game isn’t keeping players or doing them any favors. They should at least make modes that are less annoying. Or at least try it out

[shut stag]

Like one youtuber even described the game as a chaotic one and has a lot of RNG in it with archers being a big part of the chaos, for the game to continue thriving like that archers need to be included

[near epoch]

I have to live with Volley as a temporary mode then 40 player melee only wouldn’t be the end this game

[shut stag]

Again your thinking for only a small portion of people asking for this including yourself. Your opinion the game isnt fun cause of the archers. Until that is an actual fact and majority of the community is asking for removal or like you said different servers with no archers then they consider it as a non issue.

[near epoch]

There’s acceptable lvls of rng. Ballistas, catapults, traps, fire and there’s 108 dmg because some lvl 14 Gamepass players aimbot decided to dome me

I think a lot of people enjoy more melee focused modes, 40p before mounted warfare was popular, LTS when on main popular, FFA pretty popular

[shut stag]

Also again Aim assist doesnt do much at all besides help guide crosshair to a player which doesnt help if they are moving then again you would have to adjust for their movement while the aim assist is fighting you.

[near epoch]

If aim assist only adjusted the crosshairs it wouldn’t be so easy

[shut stag]

Keyword " Think " you think but again this isnt something devs will be willing to test and waste money cause only a few are asking for this. Like hell if you say that a crap ton more people you know who vouch for this then you should really consider bringing them to this thread or creating your own and having them vouch there as well.

[shut stag]

Look anyone can tell you that aim assist does the bare minimum for players for every game. Its good for players that struggle using controller and like i said it kinda helps them keep their crosshairs on a player. But they will even suggest to just remove it completely especially at long ranges when the aim assist will go ballistic trying to target 5 people at once and make you constantly miss. There are reddit posts, there are videos and hell there is a video of a guy saying aim assist is broken in Chiv 2 but his gameplay proven otherwise cause he kept missing regardless.

it was a 32 minute video too

[near epoch]

Poor dude posted to the chiv Reddit biggest mistake

[shut stag]

i think he had only 12 kills through out 1 map playthrough and was his highest kill streak

lol

he did better playing melee

[near epoch]

Aim assist is broken, because the people who complain about it targeting others are trying to actually aim

It’s better to not aim with the aim assist

[shut stag]

When you get hackers in Chiv 2 they dont have aimbot since they have to adjust for movement. Instead they just fly and swing 1000 times in .01 seconds but even then its a waste of time to even do it. Thats why you never see hackers in the game lol

[near epoch]

That or why hack a buggy game that hardly anyone plays

[shut stag]

Not true at all you do have to do work with aim assist. Like if you want to move off a player thats when i said it fights with you. it doesnt move you towards a player it keeps you from moving away too fast and in chiv 2 sense this is terrible aim assist lol. Unless that person is 60 yards or closer the aim assist is useless. If this game was an actual fps like COD for example then you wouldnt have issues with aim assist up to 200 yards. But since the bow and arrow aint shooting like a bullet then the aim assist is only good up close.

[left yacht]

guys, if bows were removed how would you balance the archer class

[shut stag]

Well general sense usually hackers just like to ruin other peoples fun which is why they do it. Like you ever notice hackers buy the same game constantly to continue over and over again to just hack the game? But a game like chiv 2 there is only so much you can do with hacks so basically they rather not waste their time.

[shut stag]

No not the bow the class in general the bow would be removed with the class

but thats not what craig saying

Craig wants custom servers without archers

[near epoch]

This game doesn’t really need the aim assist since it’s not hit scan, and people who actually want to set up their shots turn off the aim assist. I think it’s to good to turn off

[shut stag]

Jeb wants to remove archers

[left yacht]

yeah but if bows were removed, how would you change the class?

like, what primary weapons would you replace bows with, and how would you balance the hp, stam, speed, etc

[shut stag]

Honestly no one has said anything about removing bow so i dont see any relevance of the question.

[near epoch]

They’d become footman

[left yacht]

so you'd give them the same health and stamina as footmen?

despite them visually having less armor?

[left yacht]

it's a question about perspectives and wider context.

also just for creative fun.

[near epoch]

Nope they’d just spawn as footman

For creative fun

[left yacht]

I'm saying, if bows were removed but the archer class's character models were still in the game, what would you do with them?

[shut stag]

Its actually recommended to turn off aim assist even as a newbie towards aiming.

[shut stag]

Honestly if bows were removed then it wouldnt make sense to keep the class and to just remove it

[shut stag]

If i can still use the model of the archer then i would put it on every character lol

but again this wouldnt be a place to discuss this.

[left yacht]

It makes a lot of sense

the way you both answered implies a very important aspect of your opinions regarding the very existence of the archer class itself

can you guess?

[near epoch]

I’d let them run around with fists

[shut stag]

okay how many times you gonna edit this before i reply lol

[left yacht]

I edited it one more time just because you said that

[shut stag]

Im giving this thread another 12 minutes of my time before i ignore it till tomorrow so i can drink and smash heads in with my Maul or two handed hammer havent decided which one to use tonight lol

[left yacht]

use the sledgehammer

it's based (?)

[shut stag]

sledge hammer is op tho

[left yacht]

I haven't played in a year

[shut stag]

with shovel and pick axe lol

[left yacht]

did the sledge get buffed?

or was it always op?

[near epoch]

Pick axe is great sad a 1h is engineer’s longest range weapon

Also has axe chop dmg with blunt hitstop

[left yacht]

by the way, did you have a response?

[shut stag]

actually thats another thing broken too. Why is pick range better then sledge when sledge says it has longer range

or am i just a little tipsy and talking BS lol

[shut stag]

I dont cause idk how many times you were gonna edit it

[left yacht]

all stats bars are just a meme

[left yacht]

I'm not going to edit it anymore lmao

[shut stag]

Anyways moving on is there anything else you have against archers

or should say any other arguments

discussions

[left yacht]

me?

[shut stag]

too anyone

[near epoch]

Arrows aren’t blocked by active parry from successful counters

[shut stag]

oh fuck i honestly totally forgot about that and yeah thats right. Apparently from my videos cause i found 2 they were blocked by the active counter not by the parry so yeah I take L for that you right

I remember doing a test of it 2 days ago but forgot to record and dont remember so i aint bothering lol

I would say that should be added in to do that

[near epoch]

I could of saved you some time

[shut stag]

Well this is how i am. Like in an argument if someone says im wrong about something and for example i would be 100% correct about it, i would still test it out myself unless that person actually brought prove to the table. Like I could say i know this but still look back to make sure even tho im right lol

I really need to start naming my vids tho

[near epoch]

Game has some good mechanics and some stuff that’s missing. I know being wired and having a series X im not running the game on 30 fps but the older generation of consoles do. Like I don’t know how I’d tell someone on a ps4 and WiFi to counter an arrow

[shut stag]

Countering arrow just takes practice. As soon as you get it down it just comes down to predicting and the average archer tends to be ez to predict.

[cosmic token]

Can any attack direction counter arrows, or do they count as slashes for the purposes of countering?

[desert turtle]

Any

[formal kernel]

All of this blahblah to say archers should be nerfed down and aim assist should be banned.
Really if archer players can not sleep at night because they are not welcome in a slasher game, maybe you should play yall something else.

[shut stag]

Seems like you havent been reading correctly

At this point your argument is random nonsense lol

Cause again im still waiting on the screen shot and/or video

[shut stag]

but yeah congrats your really proving my argument so have fun playing with archers lol

[formal kernel]

Why do you think I care what you are waiting for ?
I already told you you are not a valid interlocutor and honestly you have proven being full of craps and bad faith from the beginning. Also posting compusilvely to drown the topic in a pile of unrelated and uninteresting details and fake reasons or solutions, while never addressing the real issue here but with bad faith.
Lol.

[cosmic token]

I still think that you need to play Warband Multiplayer. Having that experience in other PVP medieval games is good to have for balance discussion

[shut stag]

Well again congrats for proving my point and again continue to enjoy dealing with archers lol.

[near epoch]

His frustration is valid. Someone can say any class or weapon is stupid without exactly knowing the mechanics of what makes it stupid. Just like QS is banned from duel tournaments. So someone might hate fighting that weapon without knowing how or why it’s broken

[shut stag]

There is a difference between an actual argument then random frustrated nonsense proving the other party correct about them just raging they died to something. If he wants this too be taken serious then he should take it serious. Thats why you will get people who jump in and say to just get over it, get better and stop losing sleep over it. All you got to do is just read his previous posts and he is just proving people correct.

Thats why i said he a lost cause

[near epoch]

I don’t know like even if he was just domed by a crossbow for the 3rd time in a row. Maybe just let him vent and go about his day. Responding to his every post calling him a lost cause that’s gonna drive people away from the game faster than arrows

The devs know the game and can tell from someone angry ranting and actual critique.

[shut stag]

#1088220550620528660 message " All of this blahblah to say archers should be nerfed down and aim assist should be banned.
Really if archer players can not sleep at night because they are not welcome in a slasher game, maybe you should play yall something else. " Its more of driving himself away from the game instead of accepting valid points. I understand people can get frustrated but thats your decision to go and make yourself this vulnerable because your wrong. I even told him plenty of times that i was taking his post serious but all he kept using as an excuse was saying i was just trolling him, meaning he a guy that can dish it out but cant handle criticism. If he cant handle someone saying he a lost cause then maybe he should look inward instead of blaming others. Im like a broken record typing this over again but this is just proving more that he in rage mode and wants something taken out cause he dont like it with no actual facts of why something needs to be removed, he proved it all here in this thread.

If he decides to post like this online then your gonna get people who actually will laugh and call him a moron, or idiot or dumbass etc etc. I actually tried reasoning and explaining things to him but he proven to be one of those people that do things like that so i say let him. As i said to him earlier is good luck with dealing with archers.

[prisma talon]

Still think arrows being blocked by active parry is a great idea 👍

[shut stag]

Honestly i thought it was a thing but since it isnt they should add it. It does make sense to have it

[smoky tulip]

Whats active parry vs Counters?

[shut stag]

Its after the counter apparently it doesnt block arrows when it blocks melee attacks

[formal kernel]

Archers are just taking advantage of slashers slashing with other slashers without taking any risk. I don't see a single point about all you rubbish blahblah beside this.
You have absolutely no valid argument to oppose this.
And yes tonight again, 2 deaths for 32 kills midgame by a random archer.
And yes lots of people complaining about it. It is just too easy to parasite others fights from a safe distance. They are in trouble only when and if we manage to destroy their slasher teammates before they down us from afar. Of if we manage to sneak on them, which is not often possible because of slashers teammates.
Thank you proving my point that you are of bad faith : the exact same argument of "not sleeping at night" is a rant for me and a valid point when your archer boyfriend tell it about me.
As despicable as in game, archer for ever🤣🤣🤣

[shut stag]

and yet you still fail to show people complaining or an archer with apparently kills instead of what you said earlier take downs congrats thanks to continue proving my point lol

[formal kernel]

You have no point to prove.
You are just saying I have to go through the hassle to stop my game, take screenshot or a video, to link the name on the board to the class, upload it to youtube the paste it here.
You are an annoyance on legs. Really asking the obvious just to have a lever to prove a point wrong is a part of the stockpile of bad fait you spread all over this topic.
Thanks for proving my point.

[shut stag]

Nvidia? Windows Print Screen? Xbox Replay? PS Replay? You make it sound like its rocket science to just do a quick video of something. Thanks for proving my point still lol

Stop making excuses and start showing results

Its at the point the reason why you dont do it cause it isnt true you dont run into an archer that is top of the leaderboard in your matches.

Let me be more specific at the end of the match cause its ez for anyone to be top player the first 4 minutes of the game since it started lol

[formal kernel]

FFS, here, fresh from tonight level 60ish archer besting the bests because he is a f...ing parasite.

From now I will take the screeshots and even videos of everyone complaining archers and post it here, thanks, you started something.

[shut stag]

okay so number 1 where is proof he archer? 2 you said they always on the top of the leaderboard so why isnt he?

[formal kernel]

Please quote what I said exactly.

[shut stag]

#1088220550620528660 message Here was my quote and mind you that you are the one that said they always on the top of the leaderboard

You only shown 1/3 of requested and the other 1/3 was proven correctly that he aint on the top of the leaderboard. So now you have to fulfill the final one is proving he was an archer which is basically simple either going to kill him or he killed you lol.

Your other quote was that archers can just sit back and rack up points and be top player by just killing players.

So again ty for proving me correct.

[desert turtle]

This level 62 archer is being outscored by a level 47, a level 34 and a level 31. Are they archers too or

[shut stag]

Thanks for pointing that out i missed that too lol. @formal kernel Got an answer to that question as well?

im confused too why you black out the otherside of the leaderboard as well? What was the point of that im curious. Plus it really just seems your team just had a bad match cause from what you shown and your team was just getting smoked which i know that can be frustrating.

[near epoch]

Crossbow gets after them points probably the easiest to top score with. I’ve seen it plenty of times in TO

[prisma talon]

I love that ARCHERS have become the main topic of the "Game going downhill" thread

[mortal crypt]

I think he’s just bad 😂

[smoky tulip]

I'll take the blame for that hah

But when thinking about it, Chiv 2 is a ticking timebomb.
You can only ignore the problems and the players for so long before it crumbles

And it'll happen very quickly if someone makes a similar game like what they did when making Mordhau

[cosmic token]

As long as the Mount&Blade MP playerbase is still lacking in honor, Chiv2 will remain relevant. Chiv1 died off when people realized how fun Warband MP was when actually playing the melee game like a melee game

[shut stag]

In Honor?

[cosmic token]

People in Warband know how overpowered archers are. In the years 2017 and 2020, players didn't pick archer classes because of how OP they were.

[shut stag]

Whats wrong with picking something that is op and what does that have to do with Honor?

[cosmic token]

Because the expectation that people have with medieval games is that they get to use melee weapons. What it has to do with honor is that by not spamming archers, the other team can actually play a melee class in a melee game

I don't think any sane person would fire up a medieval game and say "I can't wait to play a slower and janky Gears of War!"

[shut stag]

I will say this you guys gotta get that outta your head that medieval times was only based around using melee weapons only lol. Again playing archer also doesnt mean people dont have honor. Plus the fact i cant believe your using honor as an excuse for something that shouldnt be in the game. If you think i gotta restrict myself to not use something in a video game that devs put into just to plz someone your dead wrong lol. A player can use what ever tactic, weapon, skill etc to their liking and shouldnt be taken away cause someone doesnt like it because its not " Honorable ". If things are unbalanced then the devs will nerf what ever is unbalanced to try to make it balanced if it needs too be.

@cosmic token Also you gotta remember too Mount and Blade does try aiming for a bit of realism in the game when it comes to the combat. Realism games arent fair at all. Like take Escape from Tarkov for example. If you using a pistol with no piercing rounds against someone wearing fully plated out gear, they wont kill them at all trying to shoot through that armor. That poor fucker with the pistol gonna die lol

[cosmic token]

Well, the point I wanna make is that a medieval game should balance its ranged units around a melee focus. Chivalry 2's ranged combat is about as good as it should be, and the combination of class limits and specific weapons makes it so that players need to actually aim and prioritize their targets

There's a reason why my response to "archers are OP" in Chiv2 is "play Warband"

[formal kernel]

Once again you shape reality at whim to follow your archer fantasy, you didn't even read my former comment even if I gave you a chance to do so and to correct yourself.
We are going back to the comment I tell you it is totally useless to debate this topic with you as you are full of s... bad faith.
You sound like a politician saying he doesn't earn too much and it is not corruption to accept gifts from companies once in a while.
It is all about what kind of game you want to play, if you want realisticism, it is not chivalry 2 you will play. There are other games for it.
But with a slashing focused game, shooter are never welcome for the reason already said and never correctly addressed : parasiting without any risk others fights.
It is very different from someone slashing you in the back as you might well surprise him back by hearing him coming, he can die in the process.
The archer can not and will ruin the fun to take on several dudes or a very good one mano a mano.
It is all about what game you want, and I think a majority of player doesn't want one where archers are just here to piss off players around.

[shut stag]

Congrats you tried providing evidence and failed completely to show proof of what you are saying. Now you go into a complete rant cause you cant accept the fact your wrong. Thanks again for proving my point even further.

[shut stag]

Also if you 1 v 1 go play duels lol. You gonna get jumped regardless if its an archer or not if your not playing duels

[cosmic token]

@formal kernel actually play Warband Multiplayer. The moment you even try to play as an infantry or cavalry class in WB, you'll quickly learn how OP archers are in Chiv: not

Cuz if you're not hitting your shots in Chiv2, you're...
A: wasting a player slot. The max number of archers you can have in a 32p team is 5,and someone else will want your slot
A-1: if you're missing all your shots, you're better off stabbing or overheading into a 2v1 as a Raider w/ Glaive, or healing your team as a man at arms
B: you're broadcasting your location to an attentive Vanguard. Expect to eat a Messer standing special from behind

Meanwhile, in Warband:

Archers are missing their shots or are hitting shields: just get more archers. You can't miss if everyone is an archer

[near epoch]

Plate armor existed guys

[cosmic token]

Which is represented by the Knight having 175 health VS the Vanguard's 130

[near epoch]

Headshot with War bow or Crossbow is still over 50% of knights health. 109 dmg headshot is 62% gone. On Vanguard it’s 84%. Still gonna have to stop and heal behind cover

[shut stag]

Good i hope they hit for a lot of health since it takes skill to actually hit someone in the dome. Yes you can be lucky here and there but i rather be awarded not be given nothing.

[near epoch]

Does it though? And if you miss the headshot do you just take another shot?

[shut stag]

Your telling me you hit headshots constantly? Because that video earlier you didnt hit much headshots. Also why wouldnt take another shot i want to kill the person thats what im gonna do. If i miss im supposed to put the bow down and say nvm?

[near epoch]

OhHhHh ThE bRaVeRy Of BeInG oUt Of RaNge

[shut stag]

Nice rant. You gonna be Jeb? Want some milk and cookies with that lol or you rather just have a discussion.

lol

[near epoch]

If you don’t get the reference I can’t help you

[shut stag]

Honestly idk the reference it just seemed like a rage my bad lol.

[near epoch]

It’s a chiv 1 voice line agathian vanguard

[limpid urchin]

Hey people who haven't seen my posts yet - check it out now, please take your mind off the archer issues

[shut stag]

I replied to them already lol

[shut stag]

Honestly i never played Vanguard all that much in chiv 1 i never knew that i only played Footman and Knight mostly.

Never heard the voice line

[formal kernel]

You asked for the obvious, there you got it : https://youtu.be/Kg4jv9LaqYQ

He can even mess around going fist fight with a so easy game for him. Aim-assist is killing the game, it is real.

[cosmic token]

Still haven't touched Warband, I see

[prisma talon]

having 200M range in a game where everyone has 1M range is a pretty good advantage 🤷‍♂️

[near epoch]

OhHhHh ThE bRaVeRy Of BeInG oUt Of RaNgE

[cosmic token]

Good thing they only take up 16% of the team

[shut stag]

I see him doing objective with only 13 kills. Sounds right when they actually participate. Apparently he isnt sitting behind the team like you suggested. Hell even the commitment he had to punch the guy lol.

He was fighting for that top slot

But yeah looks like aim assist worked for him apparently since he only had 13 kills :/

Thanks for proving that doing objective gives you more points then killing lol

[formal kernel]

Hey Mr Bad Faith, in this game the knockdowns count more than kills, really stop being a useless interlocutor on this topic, you prove you can do better when it is not about keeping archer annoying everyone else.
Do you really think he can be number one on the board by just conting the kills ?
Kills are so random with guy knocked down everytime and being finished randomly by others, really only the knocks count in this game.
You really are the worst of the worsts when it comes to pointing the obvious.

[shut stag]

Oh you sure about that give me a second cause i knew you were gonna say that lol

let me show you some videos

[formal kernel]

Of course you know, at least you are self counscious.

[shut stag]

Knock downs only provide 50 points but if you secure the kill it gets you the extra 50 points missing from the kill

[formal kernel]

You just prove that wasting time with people like you, even going through the hassle to make a video where a guy callled archer archer archer ranks first with 13 deaths only and 40+ knocks, you use what just noone else do by courting the deaths in THIS game.
Go back to sleep, your lost all trust once and for all on this topic.

[shut stag]

How do you not see the man has 13 deaths? Are you nuts?

Are you for real that you are contradicting your own evidence?

You just shown an archer having 40 knocks 13 kills and 13 deaths. His teammates had more knocks then him and more kills then him but were lower on scoreboard why? He is doing objective like you shown there doing objective proves they gain more points

Anyone can be top board if they do objectives

Clearly that crossbow guy actually jumped into the frey and was focusing on objective which awards people points for doing so which led him to top of the leaderboard congrats for proving me right more lol

[formal kernel]

The 1 didn't come out

[shut stag]

Ah okay yeah that happens with my keyboard

@formal kernel But regardless your argument is his knockdowns are giving him points which knockdowns reward more for kills? They do not award you more. Knockdowns reward only 50 points. If you actually knock someone then kill them it will show 50 points for knock down and 50 points for kill. If you dont knock and kill them its 100 points. Kills are more rewarding then knockdowns

What i said basically came true into this video you shown. An archer doing an objective and being top player on his team without having more knocks or kills then his entire team.

[formal kernel]

He scores high because he didn't die in a while, on this map archers are exposed until the bridge, after that they can shoot easy without being too annoyed until the final rush.
There is no objectives here that makes him rank up like this.
Fact is there are bonus points for every kill without dying, and that's it.
As you see a crossbow has no mean to earn points by playing objectives, how much do think he got for punching the VIP, it is 25 points with a weapon.

[shut stag]

You realize that there are people with less deaths on his team, with more kills then him, more takedowns and yet arent on the top of the leaderboard? Yes there are objectives that rank you up on every map including this one.

Do you want me to show those ways of him making points while chilling on objective or doing objective?

I have videos ready

[formal kernel]

And crossbows can not do, as shown on the video, he can't do objective efficiently.

[shut stag]

He shoots the man wym? lol

[formal kernel]

As I said, he got most of his deaths in the first middle of the match and then hardly died in a while.

[shut stag]

Again he has team mates that have less deaths

[formal kernel]

How much do you get by shooting the VIP ?

[shut stag]

Doing damage to the VIP im not actually 100% sure excatly

[formal kernel]

What matters in the frequency of the deaths as it restart the killing streak bonuses.

[shut stag]

idk if i have a video of that

[shut stag]

Well if you look again almost his whole team out matches him on kills. He has only 13 so never had much of a kill streak lol

with 13 deaths

So practically he never had a kill streak to begin with

And take downs give you only 50 points

Do the math

Most of his points came from doing objective lol

His aim assist really helped him on those kills seems like too but even then how you know he on PC or Console at that point

So cant even argue if he had aim assist or not

[formal kernel]

You asked for a video with an archer class on top board, he is on the very top, still not happy about it, you said it would prove my point, accusing me of lying, now you have it and you try to proceed to mental gymnastic to say it is not a proof no neither.
Can't you see how you smell bad faith from 10 miles away? LMAO!
I wish you could use bad faith as a fertilizer and sell it to agricultors in need. You'd be a billionaire!

[shut stag]

Jeb do you forget what your arguments are even about to begin with like do i gotta link your message then my response to that message?

[formal kernel]

Archers just shoot from a distance and fuck with slashers dealing between each others. That is what make it bad.

I am responsible of being hit in the back by a slasher, for bad placement, but an archer class can shoot you from where you can not see him.
Especially when you deal with others.

[cosmic token]

That's the point of archers. If this game didn't have archers, everyone would just be a highland sword ballerina.

[near epoch]

Arrows don’t even have a chance to down players

[shut stag]

You complained that archers only need to do is sit back in spawn and kill people to get top slot. I said provide me with that evidence of an archer being top player with only doing kills. you shown me that archer had barely any kills with less takedowns and he was top player doing objective 👍

[near epoch]

It they were mechanically good I’d defend it but you get so much reward for the least risky class

[shut stag]

You basically just proven me right that no one can just get kills and not do objective to be top player

[formal kernel]

And with aim assist it is too easy, just shoot in the maul and get the points.
As a slasher you have to take huge risks by getting close to opponent's spawn zone to kill them, and face a gang of slasher as soon as you start engaging the archers.

[cosmic token]

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[formal kernel]

I could show you a video of your mother streaking as an archer from the back with auto assist and you would still say it proves your point. ROFL

[shut stag]

His video just proven my point anyone can be top player without kills. Meaning they arent getting top player by just killing. That archer went in and did objective. Thats why he was top player. Jeb's argument is an Archer can just chill back in spawn and just get take downs plus kills and be top player. He shown that even with players out scoring him on kills and takedowns by a big majority, that archer got top slot because of doing objective

[near epoch]

That’s what happens when you’re biased

[cosmic token]

The 16% class limits on archers makes it incredibly difficult to actually learn how to improve your archer play since someone else will be taking up the last player slot, so you'll spend much less time learning archery than you will melee combat. Even then, the strict class limits of archers make it impossible for top players to render melee units unplayable, and I'm p sure that 5 archers even if they're the absolute best players can't carry a bad team.

[formal kernel]

I don't care about other games, it is so irrelevant.
As to compare our lives to those in dire conditions, it is srhinking your perspective instead of improving what you have. It is the way to go downhill too by lowering your standards to the bum level.

[shut stag]

Wow and you called me bad faith yet here you are talking about my mother. You must be upset that your wrong

[cosmic token]

Meanwhile, the competing game doesn't require you to learn anything about its respective melee system since the absolute worst players can steamroll a much better team just by spamming an overpowered class.

[near epoch]

5 people coordinating on any TO could win a match

4 people do it all the time

[shut stag]

Exactly my point that if you do objective anyone can be top player. People coordinating with objective would be on the top of the list cause of doing objective

[near epoch]

Or just good healing

[shut stag]

So your agreeing that takedowns give you more points then kills?

[cosmic token]

Everyone here has explained why archers are NOT OP in Chiv2. I think the only way you can understand is if you actually sat down to play the competing game to see what "archers are OP" actually looks like, firsthand.

[near epoch]

Reaching that hard would certainly hurt my back

[shut stag]

Crossbowman has banner meaning he has to be up front with his team to score them

[formal kernel]

It is another game with other dynamics and gameplay. I've watched a video and that is not even remotely comparable to Chiv2. Even the melee combats are totally different, and quitz boring to watch to be honest. That's why I think it is no relevant.

[shut stag]

@cosmic token You cant actually compare the both games. One focuses on a bit of realism and this one doesnt it.

[cosmic token]

I'd argue that the melee system is actually more skill-based and generally more fun, though I at least had the honor to play Warband's multiplayer back when the userbase was more chivalrous.

Main reason I play Chiv is genuinely to get away from OP archer spam in M&B

[near epoch]

They are either not OP or limited to 16% of the available players in a match

Maybe there’s a limit for a reason

[cosmic token]

P sure the 16% player limit is the main contributor to WHY they aren't OP

[formal kernel]

We are getting somewhere

[shut stag]

I mean limiting use of something doesnt mean they wouldnt be op tbh

[formal kernel]

So they are OP and the 16% limit it, but still not enough IMO.

[shut stag]

Jeb has a point on this

[cosmic token]

The archer on its own is still a pretty weak class, and it's generally difficult to land longshot hits with it. Unless you're a crossbowman, you're generally gonna wanna stand a little closer if you don't like consistently hitting your teammates by accident.

Not "skirmisher" close range, but more "IRL shotgun" range. ||fun fact, shotguns have a longer range than video games want you to think||

[formal kernel]

Chiv2 is NOT a realistic game, it is fun focused, that is why I can not compare it to warband.
We have to make the game mechanics to fit the fun, not the reality.
Do you think anyone could still go with a huge axe slash going through the body ? And get brand new by a horn blow? LMAO!
It is fun based game and we have to balance things around to keep it this way, that's it!

[cosmic token]

To clarify what I mean, archers are meant to compliment the team with low-damage harassment, rather than be the main source of your team's kills. To go back again to my highland sword example, most players fighting one will be at a disadvantage. The archer's role is to eliminate said disadvantages for his teammates or even give his teammates an advantage in an otherwise disadvantageous melee fight.

An archer trying to kill things by himself will often always be at a disadvantage assuming he's at a range where most players can land a few hits before his teammates kill his target

[formal kernel]

Just delete the damage nerfing to teammates for damage given by archers only and see what happens. 🤣

I guess most archers would be kicked from the game or teamkilled, but it would be kind of fun too.

I'll catch up 2morow. Night night

[shut stag]

Honestly thats the same for both if you get rid of that for both archers and melee a shit ton of people would be getting kicked so idk the point you were making there lol

But you would get more people getting kicked on melee then you would on archer since there is only 5 people as archer on each team.

[smoky tulip]

Lets uuuh make a subthread about archery ja?

[shut stag]

Well its about bows hence archer soooo

[cosmic token]

Question tho: should a harsher friendly fire penalty be tied to the Bow/Crossbow (non-archer classes suffer the same friendly fire penalty), or tied to the Archer (all weapons used by an archer suffer friendly fire penalty)?

[formal kernel]

To the weapons.

[smoky tulip]

Oh lol mb

[shut stag]

lol

[formal kernel]

No, on the archers. To moderate their will to shoot in the maul.
Of course if you do it to slasher it is not playable anymore, but slashers are at contact and take risks, archer are far and have it easy.
And yes again bringing the slasher in when I say "archers only" is another rhetorical technique : transform what your interlocutor say to make it look silly".
Really you will do all the book of Schoppenhauer about how to win an argument (dishonnestly).
But I've read it too and I won't allow it.

I brought a friend to this game, last month, brand new to him.
After few sessions and testing all the classes, he said he prefer to play archer because it is easier to get takedowns and to score points. Figures.
I had to beat him IRL to purify his soul from archery's defilement.

[shut stag]

Every argument you brought to the table i proved wrong. You showed a video stating aim assist is broken when the guy went 13 kills and 13 deaths 🤨. You say you only need kills and knockdowns to be VIP yet that video showed most of his team with higher kills and takedowns then him below him. You proved me right with that video showing if you play objective you easily become VIP. 👏🏽 ( I can contribute to this with more video evidence if you like. ) You showed the Archer playing objective 😑 . You complained that takedowns are worth more points then kills. I showed you first hand with a screen shot and video that they are not. You contradicted yourself in the beginning of this thread saying you die to archers a lot but then say you dont at all. I gave you options on how to block arrows with video evidence. Even a mod question your argument. Most of this thread you raged more then bringing actual facts to the table or even any evidence to support any claims that you had. You only call me bad faith cause i basically took your opinions and went against it with actual facts about the game. If you need to beat people IRL for you to feel your in the right, there is something wrong with you. If you do not like being wrong, then i would suggest finding an actual game with only melee options then trying to change a game to have only melee.

Also you even decided to start trolling talking about my mother and you call me bad faith lol.

So again thanks for proving me right even further.

[finite drum]

in FFA getting killed 30% of the times by ranged attacks in the back. I don't think Devs are even playing their own game

[smoky tulip]

I just want archers to be useful in closer ranges so they don't camp amd wouldn't mind a lomg range damage nerf or more arrow counters from the melee class.

[formal kernel]

Well going through all your already debunked fake arguments pointing fallaciously irrelevant facts to prove wrongly your point isn't going to help you any further. You're at the end of your rope, pal.

[smoky tulip]

Every time its just:
Make them have less shots

Mske their arrows do less damage

Make them have less stamina or hp so I can kill them when I walk closer

Make them stand still as they shoot so they can't do anything for 5 minutes as I walk up to them.

wHy ArE tHeY cAmpInG?!

[formal kernel]

And yeah, the part where I beat him IRL was obviously a joke, but I should know better you would have used it as if it was real, being so hopeless to prove something that doesn't exist, you switch to the next trick in the book : attack ad hominem.
Poor thing, you really don't carry the archers dignity very high at all.

[smoky tulip]

Well before we continue, let's first restate our main opinions and ideas about why the archer class and it's subclasses suck/are op and need a change

To clarify things otherwise you'll be both arguing reactively and make no progress

[formal kernel]

Yes of course, IRL crossbows put an end to knight era, if you want to put an end to the game, you do the same in it. But I don't think it will push the fun very far nor help get more people in the game.
And tbh, if you want to play the reality card again, even if it has no place in this game, you have to give full plated knight almost full immunity against classic bows when arrows are fired like they are in the game.
https://youtu.be/ds-Ev5msyzo

And the armor in this video is way less developped on the shoulder protection than those dispayed in the game.

[smoky tulip]

I would like it if the armoured classes had ranged immunity at X ranges.
Where the only things that will hurt them are the crossbows and Warbows (fully charged only)

Xbow should have high velocity but sharp speed drop off so its easy to hit but only at closer ranges.

Warbows should be treated and drawn lile how they are irl to make them behave differently to the longbow and to look cool.
Of course to prevent it from being useless, It'll need some sort of buff but idk what.

The longbow should just be renamed to shortbow because its onlyngood at spam shots with how slow and droopy its arrows are.

[shut stag]

So you basically are a lost cause. Since you cant accept logic lol. No matter what someone throws your way on actually visual, physical proof, you still say nah no thats not true. Cant accept reality ashame. So once again thanks to continue to prove how your just raging you want something your way and don't care about if your way is incorrect or not. You should join the politicians you would fit right in lol. 🤣

This is why the devs will never change it your way lol

@formal kernel You know what the funny thing is? You will keep ranting regardless and say im in poor faith yet this entire thread will prove otherwise. People will see you cant accept logic. 👏🏽

[formal kernel]

If you count all those arrows that cancel your blocks against deadly blows, you can up this to 50%, easy !

[formal kernel]

Yes, because it is fun to me to crush all that bad faith, I feel like kill streaking in the game 😄

[formal kernel]

Again you present your foul arguments as logic, making them a fake proof of authority, which is another rhetorical bullshit that bad debator uses to falsely win an argument. You must avoid truth like vampires avoid sunlights, it may be harmfull to you, LMAO !

[shut stag]

keep proving me right lol

https://tenor.com/view/the-wolf-of-wall-street-clap-clapping-clapping-hands-leonardo-dicaprio-gif-22829304

[formal kernel]

https://tenor.com/view/clownforrubixandgames-clownboy-clown-gif-25003715

Yes, EVERYTHING proves you right

[shut stag]

You certainly do. For someone that wants something their way but cant accept hard evidence that their incorrect. Thanks lol

Just proves how much of a reddit post this thread is

But it must be your way or the highway right?

[formal kernel]

That sounds more interesting than anything badfaithman said so far, I think this is a trail to follow for balancing things and make is more interesting for both archer class and other classes.
With a full plate armor, any volee arrows doesn't work unless they are shot by a crossbow from mid-distance, max. I don't know yet about warbows.

[formal kernel]

Yeah if you behave and use so much BS on reddit too, no wonder you feel frustrated. Frustration will follow you everywhere you use this kind of closed mind while sharing points of views with others.

[shut stag]

Your way or the high way right?

[primal siren]

@formal kernel @shut stag enough

[shut stag]

Idk why im getting it when he started talking about my mother in the post?

Just read through what he been writing the whole time

[formal kernel]

Apparently warbows are longbows, according to google, so there may be a lot more to learn about it. So basically in the game they mean bows with more punch, it is hard to know what kind of strength they are meant to have.

[formal kernel]

Here is another interesting video, a 130 pounds longbow vs a breastplate armor.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ej3qjUzUzQg

[deep epoch]

Oh my days lol

Stop focusing on what the game doesnt have and think of all it does.
Yeah its not perfect. But i guarantee this or a similar game, large scale medieval warfare, will explode one day.
Chivalry either miss out or create the start of something.
This game is one of a kind, and mordhau isnt close.

Persons here complaining about realism in bows and arrows. When the majority of chivalry hate archers

[formal kernel]

Actually the main topic is about if or not the bows and crossbows are ruining the fun for other classes.

[deep epoch]

Archers and spears are two of the most popular and well tested weapons historically.
From manufacturing to training.
Easist and efficient.
Yes spear users and archer mains, deserve our hate. But its a part of the game, dont be a bitch and just kill them .

Honestly just look at what this game has and the untapped potential.

[shut stag]

I will say this that this game already has the potential. Its the lack of reinforcement to the game when it comes to bug fixing and adding things in that community never asked for or is asking for but never being added in. Just now ( I didnt realize this was a thing but apparently this has been for 3 months ) a post just came up about Hackers invading EU duel servers. I was just in one an hour ago watching them kill people but you cant votekick or even list their id's to report them. This is a huge issue that apparently has been going on for 3 months and someone even shown that they reported it almost a month ago and still nothing has happened to fix this.

[deep epoch]

I really doubt the devs were thinking ppl would be looking at the cose to see what has faster excel lol ppl have took the smallest part of this game and forced the duel and comp scene.
When we should be looking at how to make the game fun.

I respect duelists to a point.
This is an online multi player medieval warfare game.
But lets all duel lol

@shut stag im not talking about hackers, hackers are in most games.

[shut stag]

No that was just an added on thing to the other list of issues concerning the game. But this is a huge issue since there is no way to get rid of them at the moment but has been an issue for 3 months. If mods cant get rid of them then thats a big major issue.

[formal kernel]

In order to keep this game fun and make this kind of game to "explode" positively, we have to go through conversation like this one and try to tune it correctly to make it even more popular.
That is not focusing on the bad aspects, that is addressing them to get rid of them, I play it everyday and I wouldn't if the game wasn't dope in other aspects.

About the hacker thing, it is true, I submitted 2 videos about it already and we can make tons more.
I like sometime duel servers because you can learn better and deeper some of the mechanics that are not easy to explore in FFA servers.

[shut stag]

I honestly never knew that was a thing till now. I encountered 2 hackers and got them banned within 5 minutes that ez. But you cant with these since they dont come up with ID's when you listplayers. Im waiting on chiv mail to respond i might have an alternative way on getting rid of them.

[desert turtle]

Looks like you received a response about an hour ago 🙂

[formal kernel]

I have been answered the issue has been handled accordingly, I don't know anything more about it. I'll see if they come back on the dueling servers tonight.

[shut stag]

Discord didnt notify me i saw it lol

But i just responded

[shut stag]

#1093882675770708029 message Go here for how to report those hackers for the time being.

[formal kernel]

I did through the chivbot, it has been registered, is it any better to send it through your link ?

[shut stag]

No i mean like its the example of how to report the hackers on chivmail without their ID cause apparently they are able to hide it

Im gonna make a video for people and put it on a new thread

[formal kernel]

ok

[toxic niche]

Aim assist is extremely broken and you have no idea how lucky you are that most archers are so stupid they probably forget to breathe. The specific manipulation is to jump with crossbow, take an action which triggers aim magnetism(enter focus does it I believe), and then to shoot which benefits from both bullet(arrow) magnetism seemingly and from yet another aim snap. As far as I can tell this favors the upper torso, and thus being on high ground or utilizing jump shooting tends the angle toward inducement of headshots, and at minimum does bodyshot damage which is non-negligible.

Historically, competitive TO had to ban the plugging in of a controller to trigger aim assist snaps for primarily KB/M players, however given that controller players can have performance in general close to that of a peak KB/M player in high skill gameplay I consider it extremely likely that a full controller player who isn't terrible at video games would be capable of borderline gamebreaking archer play even in a competitive context.

Plainly put, archer isn't fun to play as or against and what makes people love the game isn't the worst designed parts of it, so long-term competitive quality players tend largely to either pride themselves on comparatively skilled archer play(kb/m usage) or not play archer at all, meaning you don't see exploration of skilled controller archer play in basically any context whatsoever, and this includes already skilled players on kb/m doing more than refusing to give it the time to adjust to full controller input and simply calling it shit because they plugged a controller in for 2 minutes and babyraged out.

aim assist should be fully removed from chivalry 2 regardless of any other considerations, as it essentially forces bodyshots even if you were to have your dog play the game instead of you

it's inherently unhealthy and removed any matrixing of arrows, movement-based avoidance, or any real consideration other than praying you are able to counter a complete imbecile firing exactly on interval if you ever end up in a situation where an archer is part of an encounter

you also have the inherent upside of permanent banner uptime if you're abusing well on crossbowman which is an incredibly disproportionately powerful team benefit

[smoky tulip]

This is only about the console archers getting auto aims right? Not the weapons or the pc archers in general?

[shut stag]

Again you guys dont seem to understand how to aim assist works as it doesnt snap. I've played with aim assist for Chiv 2 and it does not do that. Look up articles, gameplay etc they explain/show exactly what auto aim does.

[shut stag]

I think its just aim assist at this point but even regardless its the same as every other game with aim assist. Does little to no effect on gameplay.

[shut stag]

The issue i majorly see is the fact that 1 ive played aim assist and its just like most games where it just prevents you from moving off target too quickly. 2 there is videos of aim assist in play for chiv 2 and its garbage including the one video that says its op when he proves he cant even kill people with it on. 3 if this was such a serious issue regarding aim assist then how come no proof has still yet been provided with someone using it and getting top kills with it? Only thing that has been provided was a crossbow getting top player on his team just by him doing objective, his kills and takedowns were so low that more then half his team had way more kills and takedowns then him. Only time i ever seen archer be played being top player with top kills is actual skilled players that i know can do objective, kill with a bow, knows how to counter and are doing it without the aim assist. But that still is a low possibility for them even because being top for both is hard for how weak archers are. Only time i've seen a person be top player all the time playing an archer class is incooming. He a lvl 1000 but he doesnt use bow or crossy, he uses jav. The guy wins non stop in ffa matches just by throwing shit lol. im still shocked that javelins is not on the feedback but instead its the bow.

[smoky tulip]

Oh thank goodness.

[primal siren]

it doesnt snap your cursor to their heads it just corrects your projectiles, this was my buddy forever ago using aim assist macros. we found that if you swap input types you have a much bigger correction window right away than if you leave it on for some reason

[near epoch]

Weaponized you can’t just drop facts in here

This is the opinion zone

[primal siren]

truthfully I dont find it to be a big deal. everyone got bored and stopped using it but Sunder is very familiar with how it works, most comp players are for that matter

[shut stag]

Your poor buddy was playing with zeek lol. Also i was telling people it doesnt snap but yeah thats weird i never tried doing that at all. I never thought about it tbh swapping inputs like that. So if they do that it looks like they get like you said a nice correction window. But to even still rely on doing that you can still miss a lot regarding distance like i kept pointing out.

[primal siren]

lmfao glad that guys gone now

[shut stag]

lol

[shut stag]

But yeah the weird thing is i asked and even they told me it was hinder for them. I am trying to remember one of the members that play archer on console with it off and says it hinders his gameplay. Unless i guess he doesnt know about swapping inputs then.

Cause if thats the case then Sunder is right that people don't know how to do it so i never would see it happen with the 600 hours of gameplay i have into the game.

[near epoch]

I’d take Sunders word like Funk said he’s crazy specific with things

[smoky tulip]

so uuuh

what are the buffs of the bows again?

[primal siren]

like the ones currently on live?

[smoky tulip]

ja

I never noticed anything changing with the bows except that I think the melee range on the Xbow is shortened (I've no proof so it's entirely a thought)

[primal siren]

35% bonus damage to archers if you're an archer (game doesnt list this)
50% headshot damage in all cases

[primal siren]

do you have melee aim assist enabled?

[smoky tulip]

whahahwh- thats a thing?

[primal siren]

yea

[smoky tulip]

wait what!?

[primal siren]

ranged and melee, it messes up your melee by doing weird tracking of players keeping them center of the screen

[smoky tulip]

if I turned this off, what will happen besides me jabbing the stirrup of my crossbow into a knight's face?

[near epoch]

I keep the melee assist off for drags and the like

[primal siren]

make it easier to foot work around their block probably, just makes it harder to drag/footwork your attacks the way you want them to

[smoky tulip]

I never knew this was a thing

hows it work anyways?

[primal siren]

it may not affect it, I just throw my crossbow at someone when they're in melee range because you get a free flinch if it lands and draw your secondary

[smoky tulip]

oh yeah it's funny

[primal siren]

helps keep the target centered on your screen while you're attacking which isn't always what you want yea

[smoky tulip]

I just smack em cause the Xbow's AP damage applies to it's melee as well

Does this aim assist work on pc players at all?

[primal siren]

everytime i see that 7 damage on a throw at a knight it makes me laugh

[smoky tulip]

I should've mentioned that

It's awesome because by the time they recover, you've whipped out your secondary for a desperate block

[near epoch]

If you plug in a controller on pc it’s under the Gamepad settings

[primal siren]

I have 0 proof of it doing so other than just a vibe but I swear it did. Had a controller on plugged in that fell behind my desk that I never noticed and when I turned it off I was much better at hitting people's shoulders with overheads

Again no sources other than trust me bro but I swear

[smoky tulip]

We'll find out

[primal siren]

please do let me know after you test you'd be my hero

[smoky tulip]

my info would be very unreliable

[primal siren]

2 vibes are better than 1

[smoky tulip]

🧠💯

Do you also melee with the bow that much or do you just whip out the secondary once they're less than 100 miles away?

[shut stag]

disgusting lol

[smoky tulip]

shush

[near epoch]

The validation made my day

[shut stag]

You are disgusting for trying lol

[primal siren]

be nice

[shut stag]

i was nice

[primal siren]

depends, if I see them coming ill throw my bow in most cases. If I get hit and didnt see them ill jab them *if* see them comboing then throw. If my teammates are around and I didnt see them I usually try and special them or jab and let my teammates do the work

[shut stag]

my bow when i throw it tends to just stop mid air all the time. Especially Warbow. Crossbow is the best for chucking and especially doing the combo where you shoot them and then throw it at them. Kills everytime lol

[near epoch]

Reptar the only dude I’ve seen make bow melee work

[primal siren]

he's a terrorist if you see him please report him to the general authorities at once

[shut stag]

ive done it and its mostly cause people tend to just attack and never block.

[primal siren]

shoot and yeet is a lot of fun

can you throw up a clip of what you mean by stopping mid air

[shut stag]

yeah ill hop on and show

[near epoch]

Kick stun into light draw on the bow is an act of terrorism

[shut stag]

Well i think its cause of the length of the warbow so i gotta like throw it up high to avoid hitting the ground

[primal siren]

one day he will answer for his crimes one day

[primal siren]

wait I know exactly what you mean now

yeah its happened to me a fair amount of times

[shut stag]

i actually cant get it to fail now lol. its actually throwing quite well apparently

[primal siren]

happens to me on weird slopes for the most part, like aberfall hill I've died a to sprint attacks and it just floats for a second then disappears or spins out of control

[shut stag]

ive had it spin out and fly in the air saying " Have fun dealing with him " lol

actually i got it to fail

https://streamable.com/n6uhdi 20 seconds into the video you will see it apparently was stopped by a weapon on the ground :/

[primal siren]

wait is the one after you fist special the MAA and the knight is swinging at you?

[shut stag]

when i threw my bow at the knight

after special

[primal siren]

yeah, my first thought was he countered it but I think he was out of windup at that point so yeah hit the weird bump on the floor or the weapon on the ground

[shut stag]

yeah i tend to do stupid shit and it works lol.

[left yacht]

for people who are currently bothered by archers and want it to be changed (but don't play as the archer class), what is your ideal version of the class?

for people who are currently bothered by archers and want it to be changed (but do play as the archer class), what is your ideal version of the class?

for people who currently find archer unsatisfying to play, what is your ideal version?

If you answer this specify which one you are

[formal kernel]

On each take anyone has that demonstrates the aim-assist is broken and archer classes are ruining the fun, you say the same thing : we don't know and you know it all.
It is really tiring to see you spreading a biased reasonning from the beginning to make things look the way you like it and call it "proofs".
You didn't prove wrong any of the points I made, you just gave an opinion based on your will to protect archer classes as they are, which is why I call you a troll from the beginning.

The fact is having some players shooting you from a distance is ever unfair in any game especially when you have to deal with your direct surroundings.

Archers just block your swings and your guard just before the slashers attacks or finish you off at the worst moment, most of the time. And all that without being able too see their arrow coming nor retaliating, beside the moment you actually decide to chase them down, if they don't flee toward their spawning zone to get help from melee warriors.

In every game, at least 30% of the deaths are from archer class when they should be only around 5 in the team of 32. It is huge.

It has already been stated that playing the historical/realistic card is totally biased, as the game is not realistic in any way.
Only the fun factor, which is based on balanced mechanics makes it enjoyable.
Reminder of the historical/realistic nonsenses that make this card unplayable :

• armors protect from every bow but crossbows
• crossbows put an end to chivalry as they penetrated armors (so put an end to the game if not nerfed adequately)
• all the game mechanics is nonsense in reality, as noone heals like they do, or can have his body penetrated through by a weapon that slice your teammates through you, without killing you, and so on...

So this game is fun because of the tuning of the mechanics, damages, etc... between the classes, the voice actors, the easter eggs everywhere, the trash talking and the humor in general, the skills, etc...

[shut stag]

im not even gonna bother with you ill just let you rant cause like i said this thread proves otherwise.

[formal kernel]

In your dreams.

[shut stag]

Im pretty sure you created the thread and your currently typing in it lol. Its pretty real and no where in dreams.

[formal kernel]

You are answering by trolling again.

[shut stag]

And you hadnt said anything about my mother stroking aim assist?

Again thanks for proving my point have fun dealing with archers

[prisma talon]

Such a dead thread, its just these two Silicone valley moms arguing everytime i look at it

The game is going downhill because

1. Team balance is complete shit [STACK] Has failed to draw awareness to this fact
2. Arrows should be blocked by active parry

[near epoch]

3. Arrows should have a chance to down players

[shut stag]

Im pretty sure the reason of the game going down hill is the lack of communication between devs and the community, failure of fixing bugs, continue to release terrible maps, not upholding promises of cross play progression, net coding issues, no private servers still, etc. Thats why you dont see anyone else even bothering with these types of threads cause they already know they are rage posts and not actual issues. They rather focus on real issues of the game.

[plain pendant]

"It is really tiring to see you spreading a biased reasonning from the beginning to make things look the way you like it and call it "proofs"."

After that proceeds to claim that archers cause atleast 30% of the deaths in game.

Proof that this is the case? Or are you just "spreading biased reasonnings to make things look the way you like"?

[formal kernel]

Yes I was not the one bringing this 30% archer deaths, I just collect infos from other players here.
I would like to see the real stats though

[shut stag]

So you dont know if the information is reliable so you go ahead and use it as an argument? lol

[formal kernel]

Still crying over this non disrespectful to you mum example ? At least I don't troll a whole topic just because I'm a raging archer that can't play the real game.