Still no cross-progression.

[alpine arrow]

It worked to an extent because the common response to cross-progression is "common epic supporter l", as if a bad game is worth being loyal to Steam during Chiv2's EGS period

[crystal moon]

The common epic supporters are the people that supported this game at launch. And those are the same people they're screwing over

[twilit bear]

unpopular opinion, but surely by now anyone that was banking on cross progression has already bought chiv on steam and has surpassed their progression on Epic

like i get that it was a promised feature and for sure, be mad about a Dev team not upkeeping promises but surely now, 2 + years later it shouldnt matter anymore. What are you cross-progressing?

[brisk burrow]

people are just unhappy, Chiv2 was an EGS exclusive, then launched on steam probably to make more money
which only then raised some eyebrows as people wanted to play with friends which bought the game on other platforms such as Steam
maybe with not loosing their progress too, invite system came out way too late

it's only natural now that people demand their cross-progression

also, the cross-progress was announced by torn banner themselves 2 years ago

[twilit bear]

No i get it

but why are we pushing for a feature we wont get, rather than being mad about the reason we didnt get it yaknow

[prime nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/real-housewives-housewives-bravo-bravo-tv-real-housewives-out-of-context-gif-22848354

[alpine arrow]

I don't want to grind for Greatsword on Knight and throwing axes for Archer again

[prime nebula]

Exclusive epic games items like the royal zweihander can't get it on steam

[hybrid mica]

I haven't 'twisted' anyone's words.

I'm sorry for having a realistic opinion on this (that we don't know the answer) rather than going into conspiracy-theory-mode like some folks.

Occam's razor. It could save your life!

All of the technical explanations that we've seen ( @lyric sleet ) point towards it being worked on; remember, the last update (Raiding Party) included substantial progress in the form of Cross-Party. That's effectively the first step towards true Cross-Progression (as was previously noted). I think the reason we get answers like "nothing to say on the matter" is because they've realized that overpromising on features like this (as they did previously) just leads to further controversy and adds fuel to the fire of these sort of conspiracist accusations towards them (ie. much of the discourse in this thread) and are thus understandably hesitant to make the same level of vocal commitment. I think we can all agree that we'd love to hear more from Torn Banner on this, and I agree that this is a real issue, but we need to think logically rather than to just mindless spout nonsense. Nothing points towards the feature being outright cancelled or scrapped--if anything, evidence points towards the opposite--and if they did intend to do so, why not announce it? If you put all the pieces together, it just doesn't make sense.

[lyric sleet]

That's the weirdest thing about torn banner. The total opaqueness. I guess it's usually been that way, but at least they used to have the trello board.

It's hard to support a developer that doesn't seem to make regular effort to connect with the community which supports them. The last community manager was essentially an open joke.

[hybrid mica]

I fully agree. I think it's a big mistake for them to be this opaque.

I think an effort to reach out on their part would do a lot to assure folks that they are doing their best.

[frosty steppe]

as a console player, who bought the game on steam, i really want it to cross over

[icy helm]

📴

[crystal moon]

Imagine if they spent the development time delivering past the promises they made to trick people into buying the steam version of the game rather than new content that no one asked for.

[crystal moon]

No. I have the steam version but I bought it only because I thought I was going to be able to transfer my progress over. I have not played the steam version more than 2 hours since buying it. I'm not unlocking everything again.

I don't get to play that often, and It took me a long time to unlock everything I have on epic

The fact is they made a promise and they advertised a feature and people bought the game based on their advertising. They need to honor it. Period.

The fact it's been this long and they won't even acknowledge it is shameful and dishonest.

Steam is the better platform, and a lot of people felt we were doing the studio a solid buy buying the game again and that was on the condition we could transfer our progress.

Torn banner didn't keep their end of the deal. They played us.

@hybrid mica They never should have advertised a feature that wasn't already ready to be implemented. That's just stupid and careless and we have the right to be angry about such incompetence.

The nothing to report comments, gives the impression that they are not taking this seriously, not taking the player bases and concerns seriously, and frankly just don't care. If it really is still being worked on, that's all they need to say; but they don't even respect us enough to do that.

[hybrid mica]

I agree.

I think it was a terrible decision on their part.

But I also think that it is one that, unfortunately, is all-too-common nowadays.

[twilit bear]

Ya make a good point

[river blade]

Same opinnion here

[alpine arrow]

New update, still no cross progression in sight. Still wish Torn Banner would confirm what we already know: it's just not happening

[alpine arrow]

Torn Banner's solution to this is to just make it gold-purchasable. But that still doesn't change the fact that weapons are level-locked and I don't want to grind for things again

[crystal moon]

Instead they continued to disrespect us

[real harness]

You guys are fabricating an issue that doesn't actually exist and then getting mad over it. They're not lying to you and they're not "disrespecting" you. Unironically, I beg you all to touch grass

[alpine arrow]

The above comment has shown that Torn Banner's plan of "Sweep the promise of cross-progression under the rug, pretend they never announced it, and hope no one remembers" actually worked.

[crystal moon]

@real harness They advertised something to get us to buy the game and then they didn't deliver. At the very least that's a scam, and people should not let them just get away with it.

People spent money based on what they promised and then they went back on it.

[frosty steppe]

unironically,

1. stfu, want a medal? 🥇
2. give us our hard earned money back
3. you would be mad too if you spent money on a game twice because you got promised something that never happened

[indigo bolt]

https://twitter.com/ChronicMayhem12/status/1681021137646436355?t=JF6y3BWP6ikfEYCXeIPOdw&s=19 what's fabricated about torn banner failing to live up to listed promises?

Chronic Mayhem (@ChronicMayhem12)

@ChivalryGame This better be the more....

Twitter · Jul 17, 2023, 7:20 PM

[frosty steppe]

this guys probably gonna say some bullshit answer like “cope ” because we all pinged him

[indigo bolt]

it's always interesting to see how deep people want TB in their throats so we'll see

lot of people in feedback who would swallow anything without even getting paid to do it smh

[alpine arrow]

Replying to myself because quote for truth

[crystal moon]

Just a heads up to torn banner; We're never going to let this go.

Make it right.

[alpine arrow]

Fr tho, is a simple "it's just not happening, we're canning it" too difficult for them to say?

I'm pretty sure anyone who still remembers the announcement would come to the conclusion that if cross-progression was gonna happen, we'd have it by now.

[steep ibex]

lol, TB doesn't care, they never did nor will. This along with private servers has been a asked since alpha and they will NEVER deliver. Do you honestly think anyone from TB even looks at these threads anymore XD. They made these threads as a way for their player base to cope and let steam off without them having to actually do anything.

[frosty steppe]

wasnt this server originally managed as a community server? 🤔

[alpine arrow]

I do agree that private servers need to happen, but did Torn Banner ever announce that they'll have them only to pretend that they never announced it in the first place?

[frosty steppe]

arent we legally able to sue tb for that

if so

i think we should

[hybrid mica]

I would love to see you all try.

[prime nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/id-like-to-sue-someone-please-sue-legal-action-lawyer-up-pressing-charges-gif-11185414

[frosty steppe]

what would be in that gift basket

[crisp sequoia]

but in all honesty, maybe a classic heartfelt letter might work

[hybrid mica]

I would genuinely love to see the folks here try a lawsuit. It'd be really funny.

[real harness]

Hey man, that's not funny. Don't joke about that shit

[crisp sequoia]

Yeah, you're right, mb

[steep ibex]

has always been an official server for chivalry 2, even back in the betas

[steep ibex]

it was on their trello roadmap back during the betas, still is actually

[alpine arrow]

Yeah, it seems like Torn Banner's answer to overpromising is "sweep announcement under the rug and pretend we never announced it" is how they operate, rather than make formal cancellations on things that just aren't happening

Cuz there comes a point in time where people will say "if (promised feature) was gonna happen, we'd have it by now"

[frosty steppe]

you probably think it would look like that antiwork interview don’t you?

[frosty steppe]

who tf uses trello these days lmao

[real harness]

Timelines and priorities shift all the time. That's just how game development is. Things that you thought would be straightforward end up being difficult for unforeseen reasons, publishers have roadmap feedback, business priorities change, people come and go, etc.. If it's still listed on their roadmap then you can expect that they're either working towards it or intend to work on it in the future. You may not like the feature timeline, but that doesn't mean it's been cancelled

[crystal moon]

A class action suit could be filed over false advertising, but it would be pretty expensive and difficult unless a law firm volunteered to represent

[hybrid mica]

Good luck is all I'll say.

[crystal moon]

I think for sure there's enough evidence to support false advertising. It's just the hurdles of a class Action suit would be pretty difficult

@real harness They then at the very least could tell us it's still being worked on but they won't even do that

Instead, they made an advertisement, took our money and then never mentioned it again

AND, actively tried to cover up their original statements

[alpine arrow]

As I've said earlier, if Torn Banner was actually gonna add cross progression, we'd have it by now

I don't think Milli even knew it was announced until @indigo bolt posted ChronicMayhem's screencap

[crystal moon]

This supports the knowingly false advertising argument

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/false_advertising

https://wilshirelawfirm.com/blog/california-employment-law/can-you-sue-a-company-for-false-advertising/

"If you paid for a product or service that was falsely or improperly advertised, you can hold the offending company accountable through a misleading advertising lawsuit. "

[timid moss]

I'm gonna get a PC someday but sadly I have to wait til cross progression exist

[frosty steppe]

would you do it?

[hybrid mica]

lmao

This is silly.

[crystal moon]

I've been researching it. Probably not but scams and false advertising should not get a free pass

[crystal moon]

I don't think being not happy a studio to get more money out of its fanbase and supporters is silly

[hybrid mica]

That's not what's silly. The silly part is thinking that you stand an actual chance at legal action.

[crystal moon]

I don't think we actually have a chance. I wish we did. Its just upsetting that people just get away with taking advantage of the same people that supported them

And wishing we could do something about it i think is normal when you feel like you've been wronged.....but im also a realist

[noble crescent]

Hang on how would this be false advertising?

[frail solstice]

I bought Chiv 2 on steam because I was promised cross-progression by 2.6

the update that was supposed to come out over a year ago

they literally said they would release cross progression in the update after tenosia

[crystal moon]

They advertised a feature to get people to buy the game, people bought it solely based on what they advertised, studio did not deliver what was advertised

[frail solstice]

it was false advertisement

[crystal moon]

Thats false advertising

Its text book

[frail solstice]

im fairly sure they also went backwards and deleted mention of cross progression from prior posts

to cover it up

[crystal moon]

They did

[noble crescent]

If that’s the case any time a developer changes their plans they could be done for false advertising

What TB needs to actually do is communicate

[frail solstice]

Step 1: Do not lie to your player base to get them to buy your game a second time

Step 2: Communicate more

[crystal moon]

They changed the website hoping no one would notice. The cover up is sometimes just as bad as the crime

[frail solstice]

Noone was obligated to buy the game a second time, but a lot of people did solely because they wanted to get off Epic

i would have uninstalled epic a year ago if it didnt mean losing all of my progress in the game

[crystal moon]

Thats another problem, complete lack of transparency

[noble crescent]

It’s the main problem

It’s what’s caused this

[crystal moon]

Plans change yes, but people gave them money based on the plan that was presented. Changing it once you get the money is at very least a rug pull.

[noble crescent]

Well I don’t think they anticipated people wanting to get away from Epic that much

To the point where they would buy the game again on steam as soon as possible

Gotta realise they also want cross progression between consoles and PC as well

Not just epic to steam

[crystal moon]

I think they did want the epic players to buy it again to sell more steam copies, thats why they made sure to advertise it and told us we can move our characters over.

The only reason any of us bought it on epic was because of the 1 year exclusive to epic at launch

But, if the feature was not ready to go they never should have mentioned it.

[noble crescent]

Well I don’t regard those blogs as advertising and nobody told you to buy it on steam preemptively

[crystal moon]

@noble crescent it was talked about on the live stream as well

We bought it based on what they told us would be available. That's on them.

[noble crescent]

I don’t think a court would agree

[crystal moon]

Maybe not. But that is advertising.

[noble crescent]

It would only be found as false advertising if they said it was the case right now that cross progression was in the game

But it wasn’t

[crystal moon]

Saying what is going to be in a patch before its released is advertising, and they used there live streams to promote it as well

[noble crescent]

But again I don’t understand why they don’t just say the reason

Not saying I know the reason but I have a pretty good idea why

[crystal moon]

No one does. If its canceled just admit it

If its still being worked on, then tell us

[noble crescent]

Exactly

Not sure why they’re happy with uncertainty

I know TB and TWI so I know it’s only cancelled when they say it is

[crystal moon]

Its disrespectful to the community but that's just my opinion

[noble crescent]

But they’ve communicated like this for years

And you only know that if you’ve been involved with them for years

[crystal moon]

And changing blog posts after the fact hoping we wouldn't notice is just scummy and a terrible look

Like they are trying to hide something

[noble crescent]

It wasn’t in the hope you wouldn’t notice

They were updating the information

So if anyone finds it later they get the correct info

[crystal moon]

They could add a note at the bottom, not delete something they didn't deliver on. It looks like destroying evidence although that sounds dramatic

[noble crescent]

They should but it looks messy

And can still confuse people who don’t read all of it

[crystal moon]

Messy yes maybe. But the optics this way is worse

[noble crescent]

Yeah I don’t know what they expected from doing this

[indigo bolt]

it's almost like stealth updating articles in in direct contravention of every best practice ever set in the history of online articles

and that all edits ought be clearly marked even inline

[alpine arrow]

Time to reply to myself

[noble crescent]

Based on what?

Pessimism is not evidence

[hybrid mica]

Literally nothing.

This is the same person who claimed that they "knew" it was cancelled.

So unless they're a secret TB insider, take 'em with the smallest grain of salt,

[frosty steppe]

you think he’s dead serious spot on that he knows?

[hybrid mica]

I just think they has no idea what they're taking about.

Like, to be frank, most people here don't.

[frosty steppe]

you do?

[hybrid mica]

Not entirely. But at least I recognize that the talks of lawsuits are beyond laughable and that simple logic trumps mindless cynicism.

Signs (implementation of cross-party, known to be a precursor to cross-prog) point to it as being a feature in the works; in addition, it has not been cancelled, and there's no logical reason for a company to have not announced its cancellation yet if it was because the initial wave of Epic-to-Steam users (the one group potentially swayed by the existence or nonexistence of the feature) has likely dried up already.

Ergo, it is likely not cancelled and may or may not be in the works now.

[frosty steppe]

dooont care

[frosty steppe]

where’s rick

[hybrid mica]

Emblematic of the average person in this thread. Ignorant and uninterested in becoming less so.

[frosty steppe]

it was a reference

you seem unhappy

[hybrid mica]

I'm more unhappy because this discourse has been very unproductive and all it has done is make the people interested in this feature look bad.

We should be better representatives of our section of the community than this.

Instead of screaming like troglodytes and creating more nonsense legal fiction than the average sovereign citizen.

[frosty steppe]

i’m actually

a neanderthal

ooh

[hybrid mica]

I apologies. My reference of an early humanoid with the suffix "Erectus" resulted in a mistaken mute by the Autobot.

[noble crescent]

It was actually the prefix

[frosty steppe]

i am a fool

[hybrid mica]

Yes, but I can't say the prefix.

[frosty steppe]

i know, i’ve made the same mistake before 😔

[hybrid mica]

😔

[crystal moon]

@hybrid mica and what else do you expect us to do? Torn Banner literally is not listening to us so we have to express our displeasure. As I said earlier, realistically we have no chance of any legal action. But you can't blame us for feeling wronged and cheated and trying to think of ways to right the situation

[crystal moon]

When people feel cheated and/or taken advantage by something or someone they use to greatly support it it's not unusual for them to look for ways to try to correct it.

[alpine arrow]

The only time they've talked about cross-progression is "we have nothing to say" when asked about it. If it was gonna happen, it would've happened by now. It hasn't.

Their approach to their initial announcement has honestly come off to me as "sweep it under the rug, pretend they never announced it, hope people forget". And most did

Been a year and two months since Chiv2 released on Steam. Should we still keep giving Torn Banner the benefit of doubt?

[crystal moon]

No. I don't think they are going to release it ever. That which makes me more upset that they flat out lied to us and are still not being honest with us right now

[indigo bolt]

oh they might release it, but it'll be after the game is so dead that it doesn't matter most likely. That'd let them piece together some terrible solution which doesn't scale, for example.

[alpine arrow]

Considering the lack of competition in the medieval PVP genre, that'll likely be "when Chivalry 3 gets announced" and it turns out to be a UE5 port of Chiv2

[lyric sleet]

Last fall some of the tbs map devs were poking around at ue5. I assume there's an unannounced title in progress and it probably isn't chiv 3

[real harness]

One of their 3D/lighting artists has been posting personal UE5 project stuff to Linkedin recently. It looks pretty dope! I'd love to see what these guys can do with Nanite + Lumen

[noble crescent]

Or they’re simply improving their skills with some professional development

Which is what all developers should be doing

However now would be the time to start something new to release a few years down the line

[alpine arrow]

As far as a new Chivalry goes, I kinda wanna see Torn Banner take on some real life battlefields

[cinder basin]

When the mods know nothing and everything simultaneously #SchrodingersModerator

[lyric sleet]

more like ShrodingersDevelopers since even official avenues usually have zero details and the developers themselves are basically silent

the mods try to read the tea leaves the same as us, or are otherwise equally opaque

[noble crescent]

I'm trying my best with what I got

Elbow just loves me too much

[cinder basin]

every accusation is an admission

[noble crescent]

Well I didn't say I didn't 😉

[icy helm]

I’ll schro your dinger

[river blade]

the two kings are angry for this, give us cross-progression or give us our money

but u know we don't want the money, WE WANT THE CROSSPROGRESSION

[tropic rampart]

Fuck it, I'd pay for Cross progression at this point so I can move away from Epic Shames launcher

[crystal moon]

Honestly same, Even though they already got an extra $30 out of me

[river blade]

same here, and very dissapointed with TB, no cross-progression, no private servers... no good features, no fun

at least now we will have only TO servers, but the game still needs good features like this i said or crossparties working fine, "Join game" button to join the server where a friend is playing... without this things this game seems a mobile game for console players, that still complains bc they can't use keyb and mouse or text chat... ridiculous

[indigo bolt]

join game worked ingame on the previous system to join friends who were on server browser servers specifically

just didn't work for matchmaking servers

[river blade]

wasn't it the other way around? working on matchmaking but not at server browser? anyway, this button should work at all servers, furthermore, i'm against matchmaking servers, are useless having a good server browser, if this button doesn't works at matchmaking, this is one more reason to not play at matchmaking servers

[indigo bolt]

Nope. In-game friends list join game button worked for joining server browser so it was mostly used to end up on the right duel server lol
platform-specific join game like using Steam game invites or the join game option via Steam, for example, joins the friend's party in-game which will pull you along for matchmaking upon map switch.

[indigo bolt]

the latter, platform-specific joins/invites, still work now on the new party system. The old join game button no longer exists :(

[cobalt rock]

Torn banner lied and scammed us

[crisp sequoia]

I'm back

[icy helm]

Hi

[crisp sequoia]

hello

[river blade]

Wololo

[scarlet anchor]

That's it

I'm gonna sue torn banner using Facts and logic to win. I shall take public donations to pay for the lawsuit and i will bring us justice.

[alpine arrow]

Maybe this is unrealistically optimistic but could there be any chances that the Reclamation update is taking so long is because it's gonna finally have that +5 Incendiary Cross-progression of the Ice Drake?

[stable delta]

IS IT SOON YET?

[noble crescent]

It’s never not soon

TB works by valve time

[stable delta]

Good then maybe you could ask the devs to live up to their god damn promises

[river blade]

[crisp sequoia]

if only we could lend a hand in doing it ourselves but who among us knows how to code and communicate?

[noble crescent]

amogus

[crystal moon]

Whoever made that did a great job

[crisp sequoia]

Does anyone know how to chivalry code?

[blissful estuary]

Wake me up when there’s cross progression Ty

[crisp sequoia]

ok

how tall are you, I need to measure your height before making your coffin for your long sleep

[crystal moon]

Another week with no news, and torn banner not being honest with us

[crisp sequoia]

if only there was a way for us to be at least allowed to try do it ourselves

[crystal moon]

Imagine if this studio kept it promises

[indigo bolt]

mirage enjoyers try to imagine that and are too scarred to even think about the idea

[urban heath]

I would rather be playing on steam

[crystal moon]

So would EVERYONE

[river blade]

indeed

[crystal moon]

Another tweet and once again no mention of the feature they advertised over a year ago to trick people into buying the steam version of the game

[alpine arrow]

@crystal moon Any idea where they're streaming at? Cuz if there's a chatroom they're checking, we'll need to ask them again about cross-progression. I am currently watching from Steam

Okay NVM, i think they're teasing some Killing Floor stuff (A fleshpound has broken into the server room)

[crystal cradle]

i join to this thread

[steep ibex]

"Apparently" the devs read these threads... the devs don't give a shit about their player's feedback nor about false promises. If they did, they would have made a statement by now or made some form of effort to notify the player base, but they never will. They would rather read through these threads every now and then just to get a good laugh at our expense. I've been coming back every couple months and its been the same gripeing since this thread has been made, but funny... still no feedback from devs. They know they don't have to care or do a single thing... so they won't make the effort.

[alpine arrow]

I recall mentioning that they just did no work on it at all, instead sweeping that announcement under the rug and pretending they never said anything. As baseless as my assumption is, it's looking more and more right with each update

[timid moss]

Keybindings on console is a good example. I forgot why we don't have that to be begin with🤷.

Only because I only heard of Chiv 2 back in like 2021 and I started playing the game til I found out about that back in like the middle of 2022 I think

[indigo bolt]

game pass gets rebinding and it's the xbox client :)

[river blade]

?

[urban heath]

Still no cross progression

[crisp sequoia]

Aww

[river blade]

Owwww

[crystal moon]

Another day, and the dev refusing to be honest with us. And if we tag them they ban us. Cool

[steep ibex]

Banning for @'s is a sure fire way to tank your game and to be known as shitty devs... (but that's just my opinion)

[real harness]

Yes, it's definitely unfair to ban you for regularly harassing the devs for "updates" for a """problem""" of your own invention. How's your class action coming along?

[alpine arrow]

Nice to see that their plan to sweep cross progression under the rug and pretend they never announced it has succeeded

[crystal moon]

@real harness Id have to disagree with the regularly part, we have never tagged them or messaged them directly. This thread and tweets on the Chivalry page have been the only forms of complaints. The devs have ignored this topic and thread completely so calling our complaints "harassment" is simply idiotic at best.

And our own invention? WE are not the ones that falsely advertised a feature, pretended like it never happened, and frankly outright lied to the community.
That was them.

Next time you should probably know what the hell you're talking about before you decide to chime in.

[steep ibex]

Have to get that COPIUM somehow

[alpine arrow]

Statement still outstanding: if cross-progression was gonna happen, we'd have it by now. We don't.

[analog blade]

Still coming?

[river blade]

[crystal moon]

Torn Banner management

[prime nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/well-waiting-caddyshack-gif-5385414

[alpine arrow]

My network of carrier pigeons has informed me that cross progression will come when Bannerlord's multiplayer is finally good ||full disclosure, I don't have carrier pigeons||

[river blade]

STILL waiting

[noble crescent]

Everyone here is being very patient

[crystal moon]

Over a year and counting

[river blade]

a year? they said about cross-progression before the release of the game i think 🤔

[noble crescent]

Before the game released they were saying they won’t do it

It was only around the time of steam they started saying they will

[river blade]

oh okay, so over a year and counting, as Chronic said

[noble crescent]

So it would seem

[crystal moon]

Which leads me to believe they never really intended to. They just said it to sell more steam copies

[alpine arrow]

Considering how long the Reclamation Update is taking, it'd be a massive letdown if it doesn't have cross-progression at this point

[crystal moon]

100% guarantee it won't. They would have tried to mention it at this point if they were planning on it

I hope I'm wrong but I highly doubt that I am based on the track record

[alpine arrow]

It's likely almost done in the days since the delay, and the alternative to them working on cross-progression is them sitting down and twiddling their thumbs at work

[lyric sleet]

I do think they are working on migrating some backend stuff, and with the recent phonebook ID changes, the pieces are technically available to do account claiming and cross-progression

but.. it's got to be a priority, and I suspect the number of impacted users is minimal, so it has little return

[crystal moon]

I don't dispute any of that. My main issue is if it wasn't worth doing then they never should have advertised it in the first place

[alpine arrow]

Still, if most of the work on the Reclamation Update is already done, they should still work on things leading to the update's release. Figured work on cross-progression would have been a very good way to utilize the update's delay

[real harness]

That's totally unsubstantiated and you're just going to make yourself mad for no reason when they don't deliver with the next update lol

Also, nobody is "twiddling their thumbs" while the update is delayed. Everyone is likely either working on future updates or working to fix the current one so it can ship. It doesn't make sense that this would block anyone from doing work

[alpine arrow]

I mean, I already know the reality of cross-progression. It's likely cancelled internally, and rather than coming clean about it, they just swept the announcement under the rug and hoped that no one remembered. Hell, I doubt that you even knew it was announced in the first place.

[hybrid mica]

Literally none of the statements in that post are remotely provable.

Amazing. You've just said a bunch of nonsense that does nothing to advance the conversation.

[alpine arrow]

I mean, as baseless as my assumption is, it's looking more and more right with each update where they refuse to comment on cross-progression. If it was being worked on at all, it would've already been in the game by now.

Our only hope is that the Reclamation Update's delay is being utilized to work on other elements of said update outside actual content

[river blade]

Fuck cross-progression and fuck steam, return me my money TB i won't waste one more euro in this game.

[crystal moon]

We should get refunds for our steam copies since they were purchased based on false advertising

[river blade]

Yes.

[lyric sleet]

don't buy things on promises

buy things when the feature is complete

[crystal moon]

@lyric sleet 100%. Thats why i never pre order games anymore

[indigo bolt]

my last good pre-order was portal 2

as far as games go

the XM1 Wireless has been my worst preorder so far and the only reason I haven't refunded is because I go back every couple months just to see how long they can possibly take

last update was december of last year

[alpine arrow]

Another delay, and the only thing that can be done about it is to hope that cross-progression is actually being worked on ||it won't||

[tawdry dragon]

The fucking devs cant respond to shit.

[crystal moon]

Oh i think they can....they just have zero interest and don't want to

[tawdry dragon]

So therefore they cant respond to shit. I mean maybe if we showed up to their studio? Im sure we would get some form of reaction then.

[crystal moon]

Ehh that would cause more problems then it would solve.

What people need to do is stop buying battle passes, stop giving this studio any money until they stop the blatant disrespect and give us real responses

Don't give them a single cent until they change course and offer real transparency

[tawdry dragon]

100% agree with you there.

This is the internet tho... I think if enough people talked and were serious and made action. These people would stop their highway robbery.

[alpine arrow]

Unfortunately, that would require the genre to have competition

Chiv2 is still hard carried by how insufferable Bannerlord's multiplayer is

[real harness]

That is psychotic, please don't harass these people in real life (or online!). I guarantee you'll have security/cops called and you might get investigated for harassment/stalking.

I still think this thread is stupid, but what Chronic said is correct — the best way you can express displeasure with a studio's decisions is to uninstall the game. Studio management cares about KPIs and a sharply declining playerbase would get their attention

[crystal moon]

Money talks, and playerbase numbers

Agreed no one should be harassed under any circumstances

The chivery 2 Twitter page, twitch chat, this server and other official forms of communication are still the best route for expressing our disapproval and disappointment with how the studio has conducted itself

[brisk burrow]

we can express ourselves as much as we want, TB just doesnt care

[river blade]

bump

[alpine arrow]

New update: even the devs are unaware of their own announcent

Whoever made the "cross progression is gonna happen" announcement should just formally cancel it at this point, so I know not to double dip

[lyric sleet]

i doubt they will address it until they're ready

There's no benefit to announcing they're not going to do something

you all would just be mad about that then instead

[alpine arrow]

And sweeping an announcement under the rug and pretending it never happened is somehow better?

[indigo bolt]

yes

because people will forget the announcement had been ever made

it's PR basics that not addressing something ever again is more effective than addressing something negative outside of very particular situations where it spins so far out of control that it can't not be addressed

[alpine arrow]

Some people already did forget, including a handful of players who posted on this thread

[crystal moon]

(never)

[crystal moon]

Please link us to that post

[alpine arrow]

#🪓︱chivalry2 message

[lyric sleet]

I mean, I can understand the misread on that

honest mistake rather than malice.

Cross-platform parties, sure. No cross-platform account progresssion

[crystal moon]

It just makes it look like they're actively just playing dumb now, trying to pretend like it never happened.

If that's true it's Shameful.

[scarlet anchor]

Honestly it's too late

If they released cross progression the community is still pretty much dying

[crystal moon]

@blazing fjord wrong.

And it was advertised in May and June 2022.

[river blade]

awesome

[crystal moon]

Isn't it interesting that not one developer has ever commented on this thread...

[crystal moon]

Oof

[river blade]

"Top priority"

"Our fullest intent to have it carry over"

[crisp sequoia]

Sad bilman sounds

[scarlet anchor]

highest priority is taking the players money

with how slow these devs are it wouldnt suprise me if they work on the game part time

1 hour a week

[crystal moon]

Devs, for the love of god just be honest with us on this topic

[cold inlet]

I don’t think the new management is all that into open communication with the community. If it comes at all it’ll be without warning.

[alpine arrow]

Working as intended. As it stands, even some members of the development team are unaware of the cross-progression announcement

[crystal moon]

Which leads me to believe it was just a marketing tactic with no plan to follow through

[river blade]

BUMP

[alpine arrow]

With how we've been without cross-progression, you're likely right about this. I'm still gonna hope that the multiple Reclamation Update delays will give time for cross-progression work though it likely won't, and I still won't accept any excuse

[crystal moon]

I think the chances of that are next to zero

[cold inlet]

Especially with the introduction of the battle passes. They now have financial incentive to have people re-run their unlocks.

Sad times.

[crystal moon]

Link to that tweet
https://twitter.com/ChivalryGame/status/1376976051226611712?t=WsWsQNMKUg5ZKkCmbaCq_w&s=19

Chivalry 2 (@ChivalryGame)

FAQ of the Day:

Q: Will #Chivalry2 progression carry over from Epic to Steam?

A: We know this is an important issue to many of you. It is a top priority for us post launch to look into and it is our fullest intent to have it carry over.

Twitter · Mar 30, 2021, 7:14 PM

The original posting of the patch notes as of may 2022

https://web.archive.org/web/20220519161632/https://chivalry2.com/2022/05/19/tenosian-invasion-steam-release-faq/

1 month before steam release

[crystal moon]

For those of you that wanted links...

[lyric sleet]

In an earlier community update we mentioned we have multiple teams working on both the “Tenosian Invasion” and the “Reinforced Update” which will feature crossplay parties. The Reinforced Update team has also been working in parallel on the cross progression system between Steam and Epic.** Cross progression between Steam and Epic will be released in the next major update after Tenosian Invasion, coming summer 2022.**
lol at the bolding is theirs

[indigo bolt]

torn banner couldn't hit a deadline if they'd actually be dead for crossing the line

it's unfortunate that it keeps getting worse though. They can't even put out their regular fairly lacking in scope patches much less promised features with promised release dates from over a year ago

[crystal moon]

EXACTLY

they put it in BOLD and said WILL BE

[lyric sleet]

I feel like this would be actually more forgivable if they communicated "hey, look we're working on another new thing too and that has caused delays"

instead it seems like they act like the entire org is working on Chiv 2, which it isn't, and if it is, it's a failure

[indigo bolt]

they can only communicate that if they have the organizational expertise required to measure and understand their level of progress and make meaningful time projections

which seems to not exist for at least the segment working on chiv 2

[lyric sleet]

It's the same old time loop. We make assumptions because there's a lack of information

[indigo bolt]

it has been bad in previous updates but jesus fuck has it gotten worse as of late. They're less reliable and less communicative than a japanese indie dev team communicating entirely using google translate with a 95%+ Western playerbase(they intentionally didn't release their game as available in japan) who has been known to delay updates for as long as 6 months lol

actual statement by that dev team

[urban heath]

No soup for you gif

[lyric sleet]

https://tenor.com/view/no-soup-for-you-soup-no-soup-gif-11066779

[crystal moon]

Updated this graphic

[river blade]

This is fun to remember

In an earlier community update we mentioned we have multiple teams working on both the “Tenosian Invasion” and the “Reinforced Update” which will feature crossplay parties. The Reinforced Update team has also been working in parallel on the cross progression system between Steam and Epic. Cross progression between Steam and Epic will be released in the next major update after Tenosian Invasion, coming summer 2022.

[crystal moon]

They even put it in BOLD, and now devs are pretending like it never happened

[steep ibex]

The Dev team is shit and they don't deserve anymore money from anyone... nuff said

[crystal moon]

I am never putting another cent into this game until we get what was advertised.

[crystal moon]

@twilit oracle you never saw this?

braces for ban

Even though the server rules DOESN'T say anything about tagging devs, i checked beforehand.

[twilit oracle]

I think it was updated to make sure there was no more confusion about dates since its initially announced date (among many other things at the time) has since passed. I have nothing else to say about Cross Progression otherwise so please don't @ me regarding it.

Generally @'ing devs is discouraged because we're always busy and pings can distract us from work.

[crystal moon]

So is it canceled or no? Because not a insignificant number of people bought the steam copy of the game only because this was mentioned before the release. You can understand why those people could feel cheated..

[twilit oracle]

I have nothing else to say about Cross Progression otherwise
If we have further details about major features and plans, official channels will announce them accordingly

[crystal moon]

I apologize for tagging, and I appreciate the response. But in the future a little more transparency would go a LONG way. And acknowledgment that our feelings are justified.

And truly, I do appreciate the response. The last bit of feedback I'd like to give, is some big changes need to be made about how this studio communicates with its community if you hope to win back some of the favor it once had. A lot of the people in this thread were diehard fans at one point, so much so that we were willing to buy the game a 2nd time to do the studio a solid. That trust has largely been eroded.

[alpine arrow]

"we have nothing to say about the matter" feels like a refusal to be transparent about the issue. I think my statement is still outstanding regarding whether this will actually happen at all

[twilit oracle]

No, it's "hey, don't ping me, leave it to official channels like #🔔︱chiv2-updates to share the latest on previously announced features"

Road-Maps, those channels, etc.

[icy helm]

Devs lose again, archers win flawless victory

[scarlet anchor]

damn for once a dev says something and yet says nothing if importance at the same time

very impressive

[crisp sequoia]

Well for me, I kinda wanna know what the work environment is like

[proud hollow]

https://tenor.com/view/the-backrooms-flickering-lights-loop-gif-24885712

[proud hollow]

nobody actually works there, TB is a farce

[alpine arrow]

They're probably sipping martinis and having pizza parties between bug fixes, because you don't need to do better when you're already the best

[urban heath]

I heard pizza party was delayed

[graceful atlas]

if some douch bag on my team kills me with a trapo then laughs about it im going to kill him back, dont fucking kick me because of some asshole.

[urban heath]

Exactly our point

[crystal moon]

Another week, no updates

[alpine arrow]

Statement outstanding

[river blade]

In an earlier community update we mentioned we have multiple teams working on both the “Tenosian Invasion” and the “Reinforced Update” which will feature crossplay parties. The Reinforced Update team has also been working in parallel on the cross progression system between Steam and Epic. Cross progression between Steam and Epic will be released in the next major update after Tenosian Invasion, coming summer 2022.

[alpine arrow]

I know that cross-progression would likely not release on the Reclamation Update that's supposed to drop when TB can no longer afford to not release it, but would its absence make it any more excusable?

[prime nebula]

Dead game

[alpine arrow]

"Stagnant game" is more accurate. It is still being kept alive by Mordhau's lack of popularity and Bannerlord's shittiness

[river blade]

Unless the game receives content more often, new players will stop coming and we will stay with the usual ones.

Cross-progression is part of this content

[alpine arrow]

Ideally, yes they should add more content independently from pressure from competing products but since we're talking about the free market here, profit incentive often comes from the desire to be better than the other guys. The incentive to do better wanes when you're the best, and nothing has threatened Chiv2's status as the best medieval PVP game in the past year

[dusky moss]

Chiv 2 isnt ranked the best medieval pvp game and it never has been. Im curious to see where you saw Chiv 2 ranking the best medieval pvp game as it never even became the top 3 for any gaming news letter. Only time it ever came close to being top 3 was in Game Rant, ranked at 4 but they were ranked lower then Mordhau in that list and thats saying something. TB honestly is competing to just stay alive as the drive to continue to play the game with the massive issues it has, continues to go down. Only reason why it still has a player base is because free to play for game passes on PS and Xbox. You even go on Steam Charts for steam players they continue to drop every month. Only reason they get a big boost of player base here and there because of the updates but then drops back to where the numbers were the previous month cause the game still has the same issues that still hasnt been fixed.

[alpine arrow]

The fact that players would rather install the Epic Games Launcher to play Chiv2 than play Bannerlord's multiplayer on Steam should probably say something about what Chiv2's competing against. Torn Banner's opponent is a shitty game that's somehow even worse than installing a univerally loathed game launcher. Fast forward to now, Chiv2 is on Steam, and Bannerlord's still worse than installing the Epic Launcher

Yes, I know i've admitted to buying Chiv2 on Epic but that's cuz the game on Steam is that bad that i couldn't wait for the exclusivity period to end when the alternative is "die to OP factions and/or archer spam". I can only see the Reclamation Update releasing if Bannerlord's November update is such that the multiplayer mode becomes a valid alternative to Chiv2, thus forcing Torn Banner to actually release the update or risk being pushed to the sidelines by another game within the same genre

[alpine arrow]

I question whether or not you've actually played Bannerlord. People only played it because it was the Steam counterpart to an EGS exclusive, and the reasons to stay the fuck away from BL MP is cuz there are three valid substitutes for individual player skill:

1. Be Vlandia and fight against Aserai or Sturgia (Those two factions are weak against armor)
2. Fight against Empire as any faction (their light infantry is terrible to the point of being unplayable, so you'll autojmatically win if they can't spawn as any other unit besides Recruit)
3. Spam archers (All-archer teams beat every other team composition. Even Empire can beat Vlandia if Empire spams archers and Vlandia has too many melee units)

I think at most, there's really only 20-50 people on Bannerlord's multiplayer during peak hours, while most of Bannerlord's stats on SteamDB account for singleplayer. The only people left playing Bannerlord are the crazies who insist that the game should remain as unbalanced as it is. Even if you don't agree with Torn Banner's way of doing things, they at least make an effort to balance the game, and I can tell you more of my kills and deaths in Chiv2 are earned than in Bannerlord

[dusky moss]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfsUeOiYLZ8&t=4s&pp=ygUYQmFubmVybG9yZCAyIDIwMCBwbGF5ZXJz

Again idk what your looking at but they been doing this for a year now

[dusky moss]

Remember too that Mount and Blade has had a workshop since Warband meaning not just vanilla multiplayer servers but for other mods as well. Also the spam of archers again your one of the few that are complaining.

[alpine arrow]

@drifting goblet You're probably the biggest name in the Mount&Blade multiplayer scene. Can you confirm if Bannerlord MP Is a lot more alive than my server browser views suggest?

[dusky moss]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gF3fAdkS0s&t=651s&ab_channel=Benoni This was 6 months ago as well

400 players

im literally looking up on youtube banner lord multiplayer battles

[dusky moss]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1GWTUY0Yqs&ab_channel=JackieFish Also this mod that allows multiplayer CAMPAIGN

a lot of peopl are playing this mod

ive played it and its dope

Thats why i said chiv 2 doesnt compare even close to Bannerlord

Like dont get me wrong Chiv 2 is a great game and i almost sunk 1000 hours now into it. Way more hours then i did Bannerlord. But again the devs are not keeping the game together for majority of people to keep playing. Hackers taking over EU, Servers deysnc, lag, hit registration etc is what making people not stay and not even newer players either. Why people are so annoyed with TB about Cross Progression is because they said they were gonna release it a while back and never did. Never said anything on the topic but then say again they were gonna release and again never did but also never said anything once again. People payed to go play on another platform while hoping to keep their progression and turns out they wasted their money on doing it. There hasnt been an update in awhile which they needed this 2.9 to fix things but they decided to push back which i agree with but not having the whole team focused on it is dumb. People want to continue playing but they are tired of the excuses that TB is giving. Right now players are waiting for other medieval games to come out like Renown to move away from TB since they cant get their shit together.

[indigo bolt]

chiv 2 can have a better combat system, but the population speaks for itself. As far as we know the supermajority of players are console, but even if we take this as "assume that Epic is at least half as much as the steam pop" and then "assume 80% of the playerbase is console" the unrealistic best case is like 15k players.

If we go based off of chivstats, https://chivstats.xyz/leaderboards/hourly_player_count/ we're seeing normal days around 3k and peaks of around 5k.

bannerlord is trashing chiv 2 and it's not even close

[noble crescent]

Most of that is singleplayer

And by most I mean the overwhelming majority

[indigo bolt]

that's reasonable, although that means there's a large population to draw from if they were to do more with pvp unlike chiv 2 where players just seem to move on for good

[noble crescent]

Bannerlord sometimes does worse than warband in terms of its multiplayer playercount

[indigo bolt]

idk why ahhhhhh is ranking it in regard to medieval pvp games when the more relevant thing is that mount & blade being the franchise it is kind of determines the direction of medieval games in general as a genre by being successful and having high retention relative to basically anything else.

I still think the reason the chiv 1-style slashers and then chiv 2 have failed is because of the severe organizational incompetence of the companies running the games rather than the genre potential though, but it's hard to see anyone prove or disprove when mount & blade is a niche game even at its size and how this isn't a particularly appetizing niche to compete in.

[noble crescent]

Failed?

Define failure

[indigo bolt]

they've succeeded in regard to making profit overall, however the failure is in regard to the broader viability of melee slashers as something which would be taken seriously in the broader business of gaming. Chiv 2 iirc beat every peak mordhau set other than steam numbers, but it hasn't had particular cultural staying power or well-retained broad appeal.

I'd also argue that it's yet another reputational failure for torn banner, as this is the third game they're in the process of killing due to the same exact set of broad organizational failures in a row.

which means it's lucky for them that so many people won't remember chiv 2 enough to remember what they've done

[noble crescent]

The main cause for its lack of player retention is the nature of the game itself

Most people who leave don’t even see the issues the people around here complain about

It’s a game that requires a lot of time

That’s it’s “problem”

[indigo bolt]

that's true for the combat issues. Balance issues and server quality issues not so much. Server quality issues are an "it depends", but people rubber-banding, significant animation skips, players de-rendering at the wrong look angle in first person, and defense being significantly less fun is all things that casuals would feel if not consciously notice and understand fairly quickly/are all things which would take them out of the game long before they have to be taken out

not all of those are things they'd consciously note to complain about, but the impact on the overall vibe of the experience is real

[noble crescent]

I still think most of them don’t see the balance or server issues before they leave

[indigo bolt]

I'm mostly listing things someone should notice by level 20 or so, but if people are getting bounced within the first 5 levels after the tutorial they probably don't even see the entire map pool much less get to attempt to be bounced by anything else

[noble crescent]

“Should” and actually do are two different things

You can be level 20 and not have even played half the maps yet

[indigo bolt]

"should" as in "will run into, but not necessarily in a way which does more than feels like something might've been a bit odd at some point in your playtime with no understanding of what was odd"

[noble crescent]

Let alone all of them at least once

[indigo bolt]

the longer list was moreso that they'd see at least one of the things in the list, and the defense gameplay experience issue thing is borderline ubiquitous because of people swapping teams exacerbating the already poor gameplay experience design(not balance, defense is almost universally in a technical sense "balanced")

the other thing I think is probably really rough is just processing the sheer number of things happening

32v32 is an outright mindfuck and almost nobody is actually equipped for it

the sheer amount of sensory information being processed in 32v32 could give normal people autistic shutdown levels of sensory overload when you run into a chokepoint/a denser teamfight instead of just being split all over rudhelm first, for example

[noble crescent]

I mean it’s the battlefield appeal

And they’ve done a lot to make it more likely for newer players to get kills compared to older titles

[indigo bolt]

there's a much higher player density on chiv 2 maps on average relative to battlefield though. Battlefield spreads both players and objectives so that you're engaging with far fewer people at any given time moreso than chiv does where you're likely to be in a combat engagement with 10+ people doing various animations in danger zone vicinity

[noble crescent]

And yet the most popular maps in battlefield have been maps such as Metro and Operation Locker

People like Chaotic

Even 2042 has one now, Redacted

[dusky moss]

I never ranked Banner lord with Chiv 2. My initial argument is that Mordhau was being ranked higher. He just brought it in and he just compared it to Banner Lord so i just followed up that you cant compare it lol.

Actually should say is being ranked higher then was since the latest news letters have been this month

[real harness]

broader viability of melee slashers as something which would be taken seriously in the broader business of gaming

lol. lmao, even

[indigo bolt]

what is the point of making a relatively casualized version of a melee slasher with a live service business model but to claw for broad appeal and long term player retention? Chiv 2 fails at that obvious goal which aligns with its business model and the decisions made over the lifespan of the game.

I wouldn't call a comp-only 5v5 slasher a failure if it retained a round-the-clock of 2000 players for 4 years, but a 32v32 significantly casualized game dwindling to 3k players at any time over the same timespan with broad casual focus and I think it's something like at least 3-4 million users having tried the game seems like a significant failure

3k global isn't a lot over 4 major regions(NA, EU, SEA, OCE)

[real harness]

I misunderstood what you wrote and thought you were stating that PvP melee slashers can or should enjoy mass market success. I'm 100% on the same page as you. They should've spun off a small team led by a F2P PM or systems designer and monetized the shit out of the months following their launch with meta features and customizations. This is not a genre that can retain and monetize off of a mass audience in the long term

[river blade]

"Cross progression between Steam and Epic will be released in the next major update after Tenosian Invasion, coming summer 2022."

[crisp sequoia]

I'm running out of "one days" and "hopefullys"
Anyone feel the same?

[alpine arrow]

I've personally just accepted the reality that Torn Banner are content with where Chiv2 is cuz nothing is pressuring them to do better

[river blade]

killing their own game...

[crisp sequoia]

Indie devs: lurking in the bushes

[tropic rampart]

still no cross progression?

[alpine arrow]

As i've said, it'd already be in the game by now if it was gonna happen, and it's even less likely to happen considering the devs' unwillingness to update the game. I've also mentioned in the main Chiv2 chat that releasing the Reinforced Update is a lot of work for minimal gain due to medieval PVP fans already being funneled into Chiv2 due to how competing games have failed to challenge Chiv2's position as the best.

[dusky moss]

Didnt we just have this discussion that Chiv 2 isnt the best lol. Its again competing to stay alive not competing for the ladder for being " Best " PVP Medieval Game.

[prime nebula]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/837659104234569740/1073363848985321562/Untitled.gif

[noble crescent]

Rip

[frail solstice]

RIP

[alpine arrow]

Called it

[dusky moss]

Well might as well close this thread lol

Wonder how many people gonna be pissed cause of this

[steep ibex]

What a FUCKING JOKE... it took them over a year to come out with an announcement saying... no we aren't gonna implement! Chiv 2 just keeps getting worse and worse. Will there be REFUNDS for FALSE ADVERTISING? ...probably not!

[lyric sleet]

I'll have to implement it in chivstats now

Let people claim ids and merge the total stats

[alpine arrow]

Remember how I also mentioned that it was internally canned with no formal announcement prior to the formal announcement?

[lyric sleet]

Sad because it could be done

[crystal moon]

I want a refund for my steam copy

[devout spade]

oof, woulda been nice for them to tell us forever ago so i coulda just swapped to steam

[crystal moon]

The mods have deleted my thread where I demanded we should get refunds

[alpine arrow]

I still don't regret getting the game on Epic because Bannerlord isn't worth remaining loyal to Steam

[frail solstice]

This is sort of where I'm upset too. I've never liked epic games but don't want to give up the lvl 900 account now

Wish I could have made an informed decision a year ago when they realized it wasn't going to happen

[devout spade]

yeah exactly how i feel

[alpine arrow]

Meanwhile, my "informed decision" was "melee is unplayable in the competing melee game, so I'm gonna buy the game that actually has melee combat"

I guess this will be how I'll Chiv2 moving forward

(that shortcut name really only lasted when Volley was new)

[crystal moon]

#1171121781705289728 message

The mods have already locked my post 5 minutes after posting it.

Which is a clear abuse of power and to the fan base that they have wronged.

[prime nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-it-how-ends-this-is-it-this-ishow-it-ends-gif-9999774

[cold inlet]

I’d recommend you contact TB directly about a refund and continue to post about others doing the same on this thread and others like it.

Obviously they’re not gonna leave a post telling people to try to refund the game en masse up on their own server. You folks have to organize.

[real harness]

Remember how all of your doomsaying claims are entirely baseless? If you say enough garbage eventually some of it will be right

Here's my take: I don't blame TB for not being able to execute on cross-progression. It's a lot harder to implement than many realize given TB's studio resources and operating model. However, knowing now that they paused development for all of 2022 I wish that they'd made an announcement at some point so people could make an informed purchase. I personally won't be refunding as I don't think this is grounds for a refund (TB genuinely intended to develop the feature — these things happen), but for everyone who feels differently I'm not going to argue with them and I wish them good luck with their refund

[scarlet anchor]

They talk about development cost after pretty much scamming thousands of people out of their money by waving cross progression

considering epic sucks they knew people would buy the game again to move to steam

Such fucking clowns

[river blade]

shame, return me my money

[river blade]

Return us our money

[river blade]

true

[pearl hill]

I am glad I didnt buy this game on steam and stayed with epic lol.

[alpine arrow]

I'll be perfectly honest, I probably never would have touched Chiv2 if the game on Steam wasn't worse than installing the Epic Launcher

[steep ibex]

Just make a refund claim on steam and provide the evidence of them never following through. Either that or start filing lawsuits cause I'm sure a ton of people would jump on that bandwagon of false advertising... which it was. They don't get to sit on their asses for a year of NO DEVELOPMENT and come out well AFTER Steam release stating... "uh oh guys, its not financially feasible, sorry"

There is for sure at least 100 people petty enough to come together for a class action for false advertising, idk if they are too lazy to do it or not. But I'm fairly certain steam would give refund for it, or they should imo.

[scarlet anchor]

I made a comment on the steam announcement showing my disappointment and I legit had people called me entitled

[crystal moon]

I've tried going through steam many times, I just get an automated response back saying I've had it for more than 2 weeks

They straight up lied to us to get us to buy the game

[indigo bolt]

Promise a feature which has the particular result of people buying an additional compy of the game and provide the feature. If you don't, that's just false advertising.

[indigo bolt]

I'd hope they were stuck on how people could claim IDs in-game rather than stat merging, because if they can't even manage a database it's no wonder the infrastructure for this game has been so unstable 😂

they could've just reused a variation of their friend code system though or did cross-progression entirely out of game on a basic html website using the login system for both platforms though as last resorts or something along those lines.

the UI in-game seems like something they're forbidden to touch for the most part which implies it's probably TF2 UI levels of bad

[noble crescent]

By their explanation it seems that the entire time they wanted to do this until near the end

[crystal moon]

Torn banner scammed us.

The only reason they mentioned it in the update at all It's because we haven't forgot about it like they wanted

[steep ibex]

seems to me from their explanation that they knew it wouldn't work well before 2023. "Paused development in 2022 to look at development costs" this does not take over 1 year. This is totally false advertising

[real harness]

Like I said, I'm not going to argue. I think a class action is frivolous and Steam probably won't refund you, but best of luck with that

[noble crescent]

They weren’t doing that for a whole year and they likely wanted to drop this info with this patches original release date 3 months ago

The problem with refunds is that the storefront has to agree to it as well

[blazing fjord]

This was honestly the right decision

Id rather want them to focus on updates

Upvote if agree

[austere niche]

I got a steam copy because i wanted to be able to use any name i wanted. Not some shitty name policy of having your unique login username be your screen name. But the question was if buying another copy was worth it. And the promise of cross progression weighed on that. To bait people with a lie and then sit on the final decision for a year is scummy. If that was the cost for ‘better updates’ then im just not seeing it.

[crystal moon]

Right decision or not, They made affectively an advertisement promoting a feature that convinced several people to buy the game and then they went back on it and didn't follow through once they had the money.

Right decision or not that is morally and ethically wrong. And if they did that intentionally its a scam.

Fraudulent

And if they didn't do it intentionally, then it's idiotic that they promote features before they're even done or have no resources to finish them.

And I think they knew steam would not offer refunds once the normal steam window had closed.

So they deliberately kept us hanging

[blazing fjord]

Thats salesmanship, nothing fraudulent about it. I looked at their website and it never advertised it. I think the biggest mistake was someone other than TB falsely claiming that cross progression was going to be a thing. Everyone bought the hype and when this day came you all were disappointed, this was never TB's fault it was just a random person claiming things that would've never happened.

[crystal moon]

@zzz.zzz they claimed it multiple times. In twitch live feeds AND they deliberately changed the website to cover there tracks.

They deleted all mention of it by January 2023

Leading up to the steam release. They mentioned it on live streams as well. That's advertisement.

And this situation is textbook false advertising and a rug pull.

[blazing fjord]

They deleted it but how do you still have an original copy

[crystal moon]

@blazing fjord You can go on archive websites to see changes made to webpages

Look at the url in the first picture.

[blazing fjord]

Yes thats what im worried about

[crystal moon]

I left it intentionally so everyone can go look for themselves

[blazing fjord]

Ill take a good look in the website and come back with the verdict

Tb isn't unprofessional

[crystal moon]

There is no verdict. This is what it looked like in summer of 2022

[crystal moon]

The way they have handled this is the definition of unprofessional.

[blazing fjord]

How? They literally let us know that there will be no cross progression??

[crystal moon]

https://web.archive.org/web/20220519161632/https://chivalry2.com/2022/05/19/tenosian-invasion-steam-release-faq/

[crystal moon]

Yes, a year and a half AFTER they promised it and people made a purchase based on their promise

Before steam release of the game they said we would be able to transfer our profiles from epic to steam, and many people who already owned the game on epic bought it again on Steam based on what they said

And they never delivered, got our money, waited till we could no longer return it and they canceled it.

If you don't see how that's unprofessional and frankly a scam, then there's no saving you. This is black and white false advertising.

[blazing fjord]

Pretty sure they said it was a POSSIBILITY it was never certain, seeing as how they rather prioritise content update this would be a smarter decision, keeping the playerbase flowing with now blood. Most of the older people quit anways, gotta work with what you have.

[crystal moon]

@blazing fjord wrong. They never said possible.

They said it WILL, then they said it was delayed

Then they stopped talking about it completely

Even on that Page it says WILL BE. not possible

You can call it a smart decision, but they still said we would have it, and we trusted their word. We deserve a refund for our steam copies, as they were bought based on false advertising and a lie.

Torn Banner has operated unprofessionally for over a year and disrespectfully towards the community that supported them.

[scarlet anchor]

kinda sounds fuckin sus

[noble crescent]

Sounds to me as they didn’t know when to cut their losses until really late

[lyric sleet]

Their backend is playfab and it natively supports account merging. The friend code system is one that could also be used to "claim" another account and merge.
I suspect the problem is they may be changing backends to move away from playfab to all epic online services(eos), and this caused a big wrench to be thrown into cross progression.

It is definitely technically possible, it just isn't a priority on the limited development time available to chivalry 2(probably near nothing)

[indigo bolt]

if they're migrating the backend they have to migrate progression anyway, so it'd be in their interest to do a half-assed "beta" merging system and then hope everyone merges before migration and then consider whether or not to continue offering merging afterward while making that clear though

all we really need is like a 1 week window to merge and stragglers will be stragglers anyway

my primary account is on steam regardless since I joined at steam so this is just sad to me to see more than anything else

[muted rapids]

Chivalry 2 is like the only reason I have EGS installed still oof

[alpine arrow]

Came in for Kingdom Hearts III, stayed for Chiv2 myself.

[river blade]

so the good solution u know, unistalling epic and chiv GG

[crystal moon]

Torn Banner customer support when you ask for a refund. They already know we can't get one anymore through steam.

What. A. Scam.

[blazing fjord]

Connect, time to close the thread

[crystal moon]

@blazing fjord why? We have every right to be upset.

Stop making excuses for them to scam their community.

[blazing fjord]

I can see why partially but when people start with death threats and just blatantly cuss them out i think its time to close it up.

[crystal moon]

@blazing fjord literally no one has done that. All we are we're asking for is a refund

[blazing fjord]

Im not saying that it was in here

[crystal moon]

To do whats right. This is false advertising and now it's become a scam.

[blazing fjord]

But ive seen people do it

I dont want them to come over here and continue further.

[crisp sequoia]

lets not get too hastey in case we're let down again

[crystal moon]

Then you have no valid reason to close it.

[blazing fjord]

.

[crisp sequoia]

also so we can get some "historians" to make notes and statistics on this so we can learn how long this took to fix

[crystal moon]

The only way to fix this at this point is to issue refunds.

[crisp sequoia]

which is easier:
Make it that you get an automatic refund upon syncing accounts

Make the game free but in order to access and own, you need to use a uniquely generated passcode to prove you've bought it on either platforms.

Adding a specific link about cross progression to players asking for refunds and verifying that they own the game

[alpine arrow]

And of course the typical response to cross-progression's cancellation is "your fault for supporting Epic", as if Bannerlord's mulltiplayer is worth remaining loyal to Steam.

[indigo bolt]

if they come over and continue it further in this discord they're brain damaged and banned

just because some people are too stupid to be trusted to breathe doesn't mean we have to destroy things for them

[river blade]

same here

[crystal moon]

Didn't work again

[analog blade]

It’s over

I can’t say I’m entirely upset with the lack of cross progression bc they genuinely intended to deliver, but realized they bit off more than they could chew with that statement. I think we have the right to be upset about that, but personally I don’t hold it against them if the statement is genuine. HOWEVER the lack of recourse is upsetting. There should be some sort of path for consumers who were not given what was promised and spent money under ideas that weren’t fleshed out. Some sort of compensation is in order.

[prime nebula]

the compensation is 250 crowns. thats it

https://tenor.com/view/you-lose-you-get-nothing-empty-good-day-sir-mad-gif-16171682

[hybrid mica]

This is really disappointing, honestly.

I'm glad I didn't purchase a copy on Steam (even though I would have been glad to do so if the feature came, just to get out of using Epic.)

[crystal moon]

They scammed us. Refunding us or at the very least change our steam profile to match the epic one manually is the only way to make this right

[hybrid mica]

As someone who actually defended TB on the cross-progression front, since I have integrity, I will admit that I was wrong about them accomplishing cross-progression behind the scenes (as was my prediction about the lack of communication.)

[steep ibex]

Scummy Devs get what they deserve...

[raw vortex]

Rejoice cause I see custom servers falling down the same path

[crystal moon]

https://youtu.be/8dMuayCtpiQ?si=_AT3T9PDqpYY_88u

[dusky moss]

Yeah i watched and he showed your posts lol

[crystal moon]

I kept receipts

[dusky moss]

Shocked how fast Stridah got that out lol

[crystal moon]

This is from the twitch stream before the Steam release

I have this downloaded incase they delete it.

[analog blade]

Exactly my point

[open axle]

Hey whenever Stridah is ready to head that lawsuit I'll join to earn back my $20.

[alpine arrow]

But what if I want to have this game tied to my Steam library without spending a stupid amount of grinding to be a throwing axeman?

[dusky moss]

Looking around to see other streamer reactions lol

Seeing Keyetso point of view on it

[analog blade]

I just don’t think anyone will do anything about it

Like a lawsuit

I think the corpos are counting on that

[steep ibex]

I hope someone does, put TB in their place for once

[analog blade]

I think that people should be reimbursed, and if they aren’t, legal action should be taken.

[steep ibex]

yeah, but that would be up to Steam right?

for refunds, cause TB already said they aren't giving refunds themselves

[analog blade]

They did that knowing full well steam refunds are impossible

There is a strict time limit and they are met with an uncompromising AI

[steep ibex]

IF someone starts a lawsuit, i'm fairly certain that will change

[crystal moon]

Refund requests are all automated. 100% failure rate

[analog blade]

I know a grizzled lawyer who has legitimately never lost a case so I’ll see if he thinks it’s feasible

This isn’t a joke or an empty statement

[steep ibex]

hell yeah, no harm in checking

[analog blade]

Him and I are close and I’ll get his opinion

[crystal moon]

Keep me updated on that

[steep ibex]

someone should make another thread for this

[dusky moss]

im curious on his answer lol but most likely he will probably say no

[analog blade]

Will do

[analog blade]

Probably

I mean reasonably there isn’t any reason they’d get away, but legally I’m not sure

[crystal moon]

@steep ibex i tried

It was locked and closed within 5 minutes

[dusky moss]

lol

[river blade]

true, i tried

[steep ibex]

lol, I'll pray tonight for a lawyer to take on a case.

[crystal moon]

A lot of torn banner defenders in the reddit thread

https://www.reddit.com/r/Chivalry2/s/CKmCvebgxq

[analog blade]

Ill check with him tomorrow

Do we know if people were explicitly being told cross progression was happening in order to purchase Chivalry on either platform? Also when was the first time we were told wedding be getting cross progression

[steep ibex]

I believe that is a question for @crystal moon

[real harness]

Reminder that 'refunding' almost certainly means you'll lose access to Chiv in your Steam library. And it's unlikely that Valve will be okay with you playing 10s or 100s of hours and then asking for a refund because a single feature wasn't delivered. If TB were to make anyone whole, compensation via in-game currency is the most practical outcome. I suggest you guys focus on a reasonable ask first before getting in over your heads with a lawsuit (lol)

[crystal moon]

We were told it was definitely coming before the steam release

[crystal moon]

This is one clip

@real harness thats fine, i never played the steam one because i was waiting to transfer my progress

[analog blade]

This is my opinion but I don’t think they’ll do anything unless forced into a corner bc it’s not as profitable

I think they purposefully make it difficult to discuss this issue and delete posts and threaten bans when its brought up

So I’ll see if it goes anywhere but I think you’ve gotta realize you’re dealing with a corporation

[noble crescent]

Who's threatning bans?

[analog blade]

Ive been informed multiple times that when this has been brought up, zeppelin has offered warnings

[noble crescent]

Well if you're just duplicating this thread that's not surprising

[steep ibex]

No one tried to duplicate this thread...

[noble crescent]

What did he mean by "this" then?

[steep ibex]

i suggested making another thread to talk about false advertising, considering someone is going to close this thread because cross-progession is already known not to be coming

[dusky moss]

I think he meant that people been trying to open a thread about TB should do refunds and they were locked instantly and warned by zepplin they would be banned if you abuse the channel apparently. @crystal moon has screen shots of it

[steep ibex]

exactly

coming out here, saying we are duplicating threads... SMH

shame

[noble crescent]

I said "IF"

[analog blade]

Yes this

[steep ibex]

why say it at all IF you don;t know?

[noble crescent]

Because it's a question as 𝔄𝔩𝔴𝔶𝔫 wasn't specific enough to my earlier question

[steep ibex]

so you take it upon yourself to imply it was duplicating threads? Why not just say "IF they were abusing the channel and rules, that's not surprising"

[noble crescent]

I mean saying that is rather redundant and pointing out the obvious without going into the actual reasons why something could be removed

But asking for refunds isn't game feedback either

"why did I get warned"

[steep ibex]

thank you for the answer... almost took as long as TB on releasing info on cross-progression, but we got there non the less

[noble crescent]

"cos you broke the rules"

I don't think people will be happy with that answer lol

[steep ibex]

then ask for more info before answering? Shouldn't matter if someone is happy if the answer is correct.

[noble crescent]

The guy isn't even upset about it in any capacity

I'm allowed to guess and I made it clear I guessed

Anyway the problem with refunds is the storefront's

Plus the only time TB mentioned this as a planned feature was post steam release briefly before they removed where they said it's planned

Beforehand it was just off hand comments from devs saying they "want" to do this but specifically mentioning it wasn't confirmed

[steep ibex]

proof of them saying it wasn't confirmed...? I'm sure there's proof of them stating it was going to happen

[noble crescent]

The latter would be the important part to find

[steep ibex]

this right here? of them saying it's going to be released in the next update???

[noble crescent]

Hadn't seen that one

But it's a from a stream that only 230 people watched

And who knows out of those 230 saw that part of it at that time

[crystal moon]

@noble crescent It's still up on Twitch. You can see it right now

[noble crescent]

I know that's how I got the view count

The main issue for TB is what they wrote down

Viewed by tens of thousands of people

But yeah the best you can probably hope for is Crowns as compensation if you're lucky

[dusky moss]

Actually i never got the free 250 crowns they said all players were going to get.

[noble crescent]

You’re really unlucky

[dusky moss]

Damn 😦

[noble crescent]

That’s actually odd as I would expect a whole boatload of complaints if this is widespread

[noble crescent]

I would restart steam or epic or whatever you use

[dusky moss]

Yeah had to restart it. It came through lol

[hallow plinth]

I've been a chivalry fan since the first game, been absolutely loving the second one, bought the freaking game TWICE once on epic when it first came out and then steam with the promise of cross-progression. I am completely baffled that they wont be releasing the feature. Yeah i lost 1 year of progression, lost cosmetics, in game currency etc. It absolutely sucks but at the end of the day i don't even care that much about all that, it's just a game.

However i care about being played, being lied to, being exploited for my loyalty to the developer, being f**ked backwards and being SCAMMED. You know what you did Torn Banner, you chose the trash platform to initially release your game as a 1 year exclusive because all you care about is money. You then lied to your player base and baited thousands to purchase the game twice because all you care about is money.

What you did is borderline, if not actually is, illegal and you should be held accountable. This is a prime example of shitty business practices and corporate greed.

[crystal moon]

I have zero hope of that ever happening

At least it would be something I guess

It would be literally the least they could do.

[scarlet anchor]

Interested to see if there's legal action

[gaunt vessel]

I’ve been researching attorneys for a class action lawsuit

Seems pretty straightforward

But I think someone with legal expertise in the area really needs to weigh in

[scarlet anchor]

I love chiv and it's the best melee pvp game. But if if a company does shady and shitry practice it's up to the players to call it out.

[gaunt vessel]

100%

I would say TB has attorneys on retainer to consult about this specific type of thing but let’s be honest, they probably haven’t thought that through

I’m a console player but the pc folks who purchased the game twice have to have some kind of recourse here. Shitty crowns to buy more stuff in TB’s game seems like a pittance when some people paid $40 for the game twice

Fucking obscene that they think people would just be cool with them saying “oopsie, we don’t want to spend the money on it because we want to spend it somewhere else”

[scarlet anchor]

I put 200ish hours into the steam version to grind coins so when the accounts merged I could buy tons of high leveled cosmetics

Even bought the gladiator set too

Then I put the game down waiting for cross progression

Now I know I spent nearly $50 and 200hrs for nothing

[analog blade]

I won’t be able to ask my lawyer pal tomorrow because I am currently dealing with severe physical sickness. I’ll probably be back Thursday to see him, but don’t worry I will.

[river blade]

"Cross progression between Steam and Epic will be released in the next major update after Tenosian Invasion, coming summer 2022."

[raw vortex]

Get well soon mate ❤️‍🩹

[dusky moss]

Bump

[timid moss]

Let their voices be heard. Don't silence it 😑

[flint bloom]

Dont disparage yurik's favorite past time!

[crystal moon]

On Reddit everyone is trying to downplay it in the comments
https://www.reddit.com/r/Chivalry2/s/CKmCvebgxq

[alpine arrow]

Steam forums are the least helpful on this regard

[dusky moss]

Bump

[timid moss]

Bump

[noble crescent]

Are they?

It's the same responses to people talking about it there as the responses on reddit

[alpine arrow]

The default response for cross-progression on Steam is "your fault for supporting Epic", as if Bannerlord's multiplayer is somehow worth remaining loyal to Steam

[timid moss]

Reddit is full of crybabies anyway.

[late flax]

Reading all this was great

Different story arcs and everything

I'm surprised they are letting mods...well a mod, even converse about any of the legal shit lol.

[late flax]

Have you ever refunded a Steam Game? TB knows damn well if its over 2 hours of gameplay or a certain amount of time the game has been owned you get an automated resposne to kick rocks.

Actually they tell you to kick rocks, which are in fact, actually boulders.

[hybrid mica]

"104 hours 55 minutes"

The reason your refund is getting rejected is because you're over the threshold that Steam allows for refunds.

By, like, orders of magnitude.

The game could be mining bitcoin on your computer and they still wouldn't refund you if you have 100 hours in it. They have a set refund policy based on time spent barring some pretty major exceptions (ie. games that are literally not playable on PC.)

Steam requires, and basically always has required, refunds to be done within two weeks of a purchase and with less than two hours of playtime barring those aforementioned exceptions.

And otherwise, well, you're SOL.

Shit outta luck.

[indigo bolt]

there's a specific issue where epic playtime on chiv while Steam is open counts as Steam playtime

he had that issue

[prime nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/not-over-till-i-say-its-over-gif-15392513

[raw vortex]

What the hell are my eyes reading???? This right here is 100% scam if they are counting epic's playtime as steam's

[crystal moon]

Problem is , I have not played that much on Steam in reality. My steam account in my epic account are linked and the play time that I have on Epic since buying steam version is also showing up on Steam for whatever reason.

In reality, I really am under the 2-hour threshold. Since buying the stupid version I have booted it up one time to look at the helmets.

I would love to explain this to a real person at Steam/valve, But as I said earlier, it's impossible to contact anyone there.

[noble crescent]

Steam will usually tell you to bugger off if you've owned the game for more than 2 weeks anyway

even if you haven't touched it

[crystal moon]

I would love to tag a dev to get their feedback and all this but we all know that the guaranteed way to get a warning/ban from one of the mods

[noble crescent]

You have their feedback already

[crystal moon]

True.

[noble crescent]

If they were ready to say something else they would make a statement

[crystal moon]

At this point if torn better really even cared about making this right with the loyal fans they have three options.

1. Steam refunds, but we know that won't happen.

2. A one time account copy over. We're giving the opportunity to copy our stats, cosmetics levels, etc from epic over to Steam. But progress after that will not be carried over on both. That's fine. At least we get our stuff on our steam account without buying it all over again.

3. Give our steam account a crap load of crowns so we can at least re obtain our cosmetics without buying them again.

Sadly my hope for any of these is about zero.

[noble crescent]

If they could manage 2 we would simply have cross progression

And with 1 that still requires the store's cooperation

So their only real option if they're willing to do it is 3

[crystal moon]

Difference would be after the transfer further progress on one platform would not be reflected on the other. For example, if you started playing on the steam one and gained a level it wouldn't show up on epic. Essentially exactly what we have now, but at least our levels, cosmetics, stats, etc could be copied over one time. So there would be zero cross progression after that point.

Basically after the copy we would just abandon the epic version

And only use the epic from then on

[crystal moon]

Agreed this would be the easiest option/lower effort.

[raw vortex]

Not the same. This case is as simple as a data migration. You can do this migration in under 1h with an excel sheet 🤣

[noble crescent]

And in your view how would keeping it live be any different to doing as a once off?

Evidentally it's more complicated than that

[raw vortex]

For crossplay you just need an interface between the database and the game accounts (Steam, Epic, xbox, ps) that is able to relate n game accounts with one TB account

[raw vortex]

Point 2 stated a single time copy. Not keeping it live and synced between the two profiles

[noble crescent]

I know. But if it's as simple as you say surely this data migration can happen automatically every time you quit the game for example

right?

And yet the devs couldn't figure out how to update an excel spreadsheet and do it automatically

Or maybe it's something just a tad more complicated

[raw vortex]

I was talking a manual migration to make things simple and easy. Not an automated one

[noble crescent]

And how is automated any more difficult?

That's my point

We can oversimplfy a lot of things

[raw vortex]

You export the progress data related to the Id of each old account into an excel, swap the Ids for the destination accounts' ones and then import back into the database with an update

That's how 90% of data migrations work in the real world

[noble crescent]

A game update wouldn't even be required considering all of this is backend

Which is why in your system automating it wouldn't be hard at all

If your system could work

[raw vortex]

Yeh its a database update. Not a client update

No impact for the client side

[noble crescent]

There's obviously something we're missing here if they couldn't figure something out in a year

[raw vortex]

I could help if I knew the specs. Speculation around how software and database usage and design are standarized in general is as much as I can reach here

[noble crescent]

Yeah that is a problem with TB communication over the years

They don't tend to get into the specifics of things

Which I think would help them out a lot if they did

It might not make people any happier

But they'd have less things to complain about

[raw vortex]

Outsourcing problem solving sometimes is a matter of pride. Might be the case here

[noble crescent]

I don't think they outsourced knowing the publisher

however

new TWI president may mean different decisions

[raw vortex]

Do we have changes among the chiefs?

[noble crescent]

Nah just a couple years back the vice president of tripwire became the actual president

I just know that the previous president very much liked keeping as many things in house as possible

[raw vortex]

Copy! Anyway, thanks for your understanding. Gotta head back to work 👍🏻

[dusky moss]

From what I read they werent really downplaying it. It was more on the line that it was dumb to give TB more money for a broken game and to even believe them in the first place for their previous failure on games. Which honestly I do agree with what they are saying, it was dumb to continue trusting these devs. They arent disregarding that the Devs pulled a shady one.

[alpine arrow]

Quadruple XP events would also need to be a thing cuz throwing axeman is locked behind a terrible grind. Greatsword on Knight seems less necessary now thanks to Medium Shield on Guardian

[crystal moon]

Valid, those of us that never played chiv 1 really didn't know any better. Year 1 of chiv 2 went pretty well

[dusky moss]

Also have to think about this as well. The people that did get scammed are gonna play regardless. Until people get together saying enough is enough and stop playing the game to force the devs to comply, nothing will really happen. They are gonna keep getting their money worth from this game till either 1. A big news letter really shows the shady shit they did that millions would read. 2. They finish releasing all the content that was premade and have nothing left. 3. Players get together to pretty much strike the game by not playing. Only thing im seeing that will happen is number 2.

From what i seen from youtubers and streamers for Chiv 2, they dont hold that kind of power to rally people as well or else changes would of been made a year ago with the devs.

[indigo bolt]

they don't have the power. That's the other reason why TB would want the game to be supermajority console, as most console players aren't in the same "world" we are and are essentially unable to be rallied short of the game being so broken that it universally impacts them such as with friends list stutters.

same concept with so many companies focusing on mobile gaming. It's an audience that is incapable of rebelling.

[lyric sleet]

https://community.playfab.com/questions/869/210257757-Account-merging.html

Just FYI. The backend already supports the concept of a master account and linked accounts. Tbs would need to facilitate linking, thankfully they're already using a custom guid(phonebook id) for the friends system

[indigo bolt]

so they have to do less work than I thought they would and that was already a relatively not complex task if they can administer databases decently

[noble crescent]

Which means there's something else at play here

[indigo bolt]

like the kind of severe organizational incompetence which has killed multiple previous games, including one delisted from even their own website, and total ruin by meddling from people who wouldn't even be able to launch the editor without help?

[noble crescent]

Either that

Or something else they aren't telling us

[lyric sleet]

Well it's definitely that because they tell us nothing

[alpine arrow]

The fact that Torn Banner can do whatever the fuck they want with Chiv2 with superficial consequences at worst?

The fact we even got the Reclamation Update is a surprising feat on its own

[analog blade]

@crystal moon I apologize for not checking in yet, been sick. On Monday or Tuesday, theres a 100% chance I’ll see him. Ill make sure to ask him about it.

[crystal moon]

no worries man, no stress

[real harness]

You are not a serious person

[indigo bolt]

you are just clueless how incentives in the gaming industry work. The entire mobile market is propped up by an extremely small minority of whales and those players are the only ones whose opinions matter. Games often have substantial even double digit portions of their revenue tied to a single player. The normal players do not matter, and that is by design.

It's the same with consoles, being the broad appeal to people who are not dialed into the gaming space except hyper-casually and have no real strong opinions about any games

It's unsurprising though. I don't think I've ever seen you make a single good post in this discord.

I hope you never expect gaming to get better, because people like you who have no standards are why it isn't.

[timid moss]

https://tenor.com/view/woody-woody-toy-story-sora-kh3-kh-gif-27223516

[real harness]

I've worked in the mobile games industry as a game designer for the past decade. I wouldn't call you a clown if I wasn't certain that you are, in fact, a clown person with clown opinions

[timid moss]

@indigo bolt

[indigo bolt]

idk all I'm saying is based on public talks which say exactly this, past behavior with games apologizing and modifying content for individual whales, and the increasing focus on personalized monetization.

nothing you really say changes the actual reality of what and how makes money

if you've ever thought about why cod games never get better it's because they don't have to

they aren't selling to the hardcore audience and don't need to, they'll buy it anyway

if you've ever thought about stated reasons why mobile games can keep piling unreasonable layers of monetization on and why so many games have energy systems and other mechanisms to force casual play patterns it's no surprise really

if you aren't able to see what's going on I'm sorry for your total inability to see basic industry trends

there's a reason I go out of my way to buy games by devs who are just making something good that they and other people would want to play like mortal sin or gunfire reborn

[real harness]

To be clear — what you've said after I quoted you is correct and I'm not disputing that. I've worked on a number of top mobile titles, I know how the sausage is made. I'm saying that your original msg that I quoted is just completely baseless. Games companies don't target a platform to deliver sub-optimal slop because they know the players can't "rally to fight back". That is what I'm saying is baseless paranoia and victimization

[indigo bolt]

I'm saying that's one of the obvious incentives to include the platform after the game has reached a point of no return and would be a secondary incentive to actually just making more money by selling more copies. It's more of a reason to target the casual base more broadly

it's a side effect of casualizing games more than it is a side effect of targeting consoles. It's just that the console base is by and large more casual

and that's more publisher consideration than dev consideration

I don't doubt the people like moonmoon and connect working on the game just want it to be good

[real harness]

It do be like that sometimes 😔

[late flax]

Its funny to watch so many people dissect what at its core is just a blatant lie

[timid moss]

So many messages to where I'm not gonna read at this point

[late flax]

its a novel

[timid moss]

I'm waaay behind on that novel

[late flax]

@real harness gets bonus points with that pfp

[crisp sequoia]

so what do I do?

[lyric sleet]

Give up

[crisp sequoia]

I already did give up bit y'all updated anyways :P

[blazing fjord]

Thank you.

[dusky moss]

Bump

[late flax]

Bump

[crystal moon]

Didn't TB offer a discount to people who had the game on epic to buy it again on steam?

[cinder basin]

Lock this thread 😆

[timid moss]

They probably lied about that also

[analog blade]

What happened to you?

[blazing fjord]

He became based

[dusky moss]

Bump

[river blade]

SCAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAM

"Cross progression between Steam and Epic will be released in the next major update after Tenosian Invasion, coming summer 2022."

This was a lie and TB still has my money, return me my money.

[raw vortex]

Just a reminder for the new readers of this thread that this video exists and explains the current situation
https://youtu.be/8dMuayCtpiQ?si=_AT3T9PDqpYY_88u

[cinder basin]

Just give these rowdy customers some coupons and apologize TB, they gonna mommyblog about it til their death day

[crystal moon]

Let's fill the chat and let them know how we feel

[lyric sleet]

[crystal moon]

Pfff predictable

They can't even deliver a stream on time

[timid moss]

We gotta wait about 3 months for them to stream

[timid moss]

Gotta wait 3 months

[lyric sleet]

look when they say it's coming later this week it's coming later this week, you don't have to ask them every 10 days about it

[indigo bolt]

they really don't want to stream anyway, because it forces them to talk and because they can never back up a word they say the talk never goes well

wonder who's going to be scapegoat on the stream with moonmoon or if moonmoon is stuck soloing the stream

[timid moss]

You sometimes they need endure those things once in a while

[stable delta]

It must've been at least a few months since I checked back on this thread by now, but since it's still shockingly active I can only assume they haven't implemented cross-progression in the meantime. And so there's still no reason for me to buy the game on Steam.
I actually stopped playing because of this. I've been waiting this entire time to pick it up again, but on Steam. It's a great game. But if the devs won't keep to their promises and they just ghost us, then I would be a fool to pay them a second time.
I'm not even angry anymore. Just disappointed

[indigo bolt]

cross-progression is officially canceled

it will not occur on chivalry 2

[analog blade]

Talking to lawyer today, any specific stuff to bring up or ask?

[crystal moon]

Essentially does this qualify as false advertising since the feature was promised published on their website and on their live stream (we have a clip), and does TB have an obligation to provide refunds when the feature was cancelled and not delivered.

In other words, were our purchases made under false pretenses

[blazing fjord]

Ban napalm

[river blade]

https://tenor.com/view/who-da-fook-conor-mcgregor-who-the-fuck-gif-12856313

https://support.chivalry2.com/en

[steep ibex]

Love to hear what they say

[timid moss]

https://tenor.com/view/bob-odenkirk-better-call-saul-pointing-gif-8557710

[dusky moss]

Whats the verdict cause everyone itching to know lol

[analog blade]

Yeah, I know I couldn’t reach him today. I absolutely promise. I will talk to him tomorrow. I am in no way making this up at all. Our schedules just didn’t match today. Have no worries.

[late flax]

Bump

[cinder basin]

Hopefully the case is tried in Texas, and the judge has to watch the Plantiff say "Your Honor, I Rise and Grind. Both my accounts are 🔥 , please bankrupt this company that makes the only game I play"

[indigo bolt]

it would be good to collect the info to present up front all at once for review in a concise manner to make things go more smoothly, but yeah basically what Chronic said. Make sure not to miss a piece, as it's more about everything adding up than any single technicality. Timeline would be good too.

[cinder basin]

I love that you condone litigation agaisnt a company while supporting massive and time-intensive modding / programming of the very same content. You kinda stupid my guy.

[indigo bolt]

whether or not the game continues to be available via torn banner doesn't change the ability to independently host a secondary server directory endpoint without any verification checks tied to torn banner's services.

[cinder basin]

So the actal people that should get sued? You guys? For just blatantly ripping off their IP ?

Delusional.

[indigo bolt]

they could C&D it if they wanted, but that's the extent it'd be financially viable to go after

[cinder basin]

Do you think the terms of your LAWLsuit are gonna be as follows "Since the bros got dicked on by the false promise of hella cross-progression , the gamer bros now own all associated properties under the Torn Banner copyright as valid compensation, hell ya my G"

[indigo bolt]

no, most class actions result in a nominal payout for the members of the suit(of which I won't be as a steam-first player) and more payment for the lawyers as well as not being overall significantly damaging to the company being sued but for legal fees not being reimbursed

they're within their rights and reason to request such, however

and it's reasonable to make sure they're not fucking themselves over in how they approach it

[cinder basin]

You want a payout from a company, of the game you play everyday, that doesnt even have the budget to buy 60 tick servers lol

HELLLOOOOO SIIIIRRRR ?

Would honestly love to see the case-law that develops from all the priviledged assholes that had the monitary ability to buy the same game twice, that couldnt get one silly feature out of it

probably pretty boring, but hey im here for it

[indigo bolt]

my guess is that the class likely isn't even large enough to support a class action considering the low per-unit cost and the low number of overall directly affected players which are reasonable to contact. It'd require discovery to distinguish steam, epic, and xbox/ps players in their publicly reported aggregate total sales, and they don't have individualized information about each purchaser of the game.

Depending on what info they've collected about the players they might be able to collate playfab IDs with IP and contact the attached accounts in that manner, however I doubt they retain enough information for long enough to make it sane to dig up.

using platform for purchases keeps torn banner insulated from the individual personal details of the owners of the game

it'd take someone willing to pay the legal fees out of spite, basically

[cinder basin]

On what planet do you see a judge talking about "Cross progression" in a court room

like honestly

[cinder basin]

The reason this dude is never gonna reply again, is because his lawyer friend laughed his ass out the door before handing up some chicken tendies with a pat on the head

[indigo bolt]

It's possible if not likely that it's false advertising, but filing an FTC complaint is separate yet not technically entirely exclusive with the existence of a possible class action, so distinguishing "worth an FTC complaint" from "worth a civil suit" among other possible distinctions is a good reason to talk to a lawyer

[cinder basin]

I guess we will find out wont we ?

[indigo bolt]

also worth asking about more possibilities than just a class action, as an FTC complaint is likely the appropriate route even if it'd have extraordinarily long lead times on any possible outcome @analog blade

[cinder basin]

If anything, Chiv 2 will just give you hand-outs as a form of mercy and to save face

thats the best you can hope for

[indigo bolt]

as I noted that's the standard response yeah

[cinder basin]

But trying to knee-cap the company who makes somethin you love is still scumbag behavior, so fuck all you fucking losers

[indigo bolt]

the 250 crowns is likely to be construed as that, but there was no optionality as to taking or not taking it short of never touching the game again which isn't an acceptable recompense in such a context

[analog blade]

bout to ask him. Honestly probably whats gonna happen.

[analog blade]

Ill ask him

[analog blade]

Okay I talked to him

Basically, it is possible but it would be difficult. The FTC would not be involved. The difficulty is the fact that we’d need to find a firm that deal specifically, need to get a firm to agree and it would be costly. They have a chance to weasel out with legal shit but if we were to proceed you’d need to sue for damages(buying the game) and you wouldn’t get much money. Most of it would go to the firm. You could try to set up an agreement (I forget the name) that makes it so the firm is only paid if you win. Again, possible but difficult. You’d need to file a civil case. You also have to pay lots of money. He says that he personally says that a scummy company can be fought monetarily. Vote with your wallet. Use platforms to demonize them, expose them, don’t buy things, support competitors, message them and it may incentivize them. If not it could make room for other games or spaces. If they’re shit, tell everyone. Word of mouth is really powerful. Someone thinking about getting into a game like this? Warn them. Tell them about who they’re supporting and the state of the game. Don’t let up on them either. Keep pressing TB about their promises and lack of fulfilling those.

Any other questions I’ll answer to the best of my ability

But pressure like this helps incentivize change so don’t give up

[indigo bolt]

that sounds about what I expected.

[analog blade]

Yep

The law is easily exploited

But again, it’s possible so if they keep this trend with other elements or promises, your case gets stronger. Keep documenting and messaging. Using their word against their actions can help.

But it ain’t impossible, a lawsuit could put a lot of pressure for change

Idk I’m not them

[alpine arrow]

support competitors
The competitor was why I bought Chiv2 on Epic in the first place.

Guess "wait for Bannerlord to be good" was the right answer all along

[real harness]

Lol. Lmao, even

[analog blade]

Im just giving ways to boycott

The people have power, don’t deny your influence. But yes, other medieval slashers haven’t been stellar

[lyric sleet]

it just seems like lashing out. Yes, it sucks that they cancelled something they said they'd do

but in the grand scheme of things, it is what it is

[analog blade]

I don’t see why we shouldn’t fight it

People lost money on false promises

When you do that to people you should expect retaliation

If people don’t like a corp they can peacefully boycott it

If you don’t want bad press on your company, then don’t do things that result in bed press. Simple as that.

[cinder basin]

Go buy Mordhau. That will show them. Cant boycott something youre addicted to sadly.

[analog blade]

You can still speak out and refuse to buy any add ons

[lyric sleet]

"speaking out" seems leagues different from "attempting to take legal action"

I was in alpha, and then when the epic exclusivity came around I boycotted. I didn't buy this game for a year because of that stupid deal

and then when it came to steam, I bought it.

[analog blade]

That was an inquiry other people had. I was asking a lawyer, if it would be feasible.

[alpine arrow]

I mean, my Chiv2 purchase was me speaking out against the direction that TaleWorlds took with their own game. I didn't bother buying Chiv2 on Steam cuz I already bought it on Epic, and wasn't sure if cross-progression was gonna be added at the time

Perhaps with some hope, the Mount&Blade MP user base will regain their lost honor, but I don't see that happening

[alpine arrow]

Honestly, I think the best solution would be to host a 64 player Warband server running the NeoGK module with the following:

Game mode: Team Deathmatch
Minimum gold: 1800
Archer limit: 16%
Cavalry limit: none (they can actually be countered, especially by Sarranid and Swadia)

[brisk geode]

Don’t confuse “the people” with the 50 ppl in this thread in reality the people are 10k players across different platforms you people are a minute tiny % of those people, you will not enact change they are not going to add cross progression just because a select few winge about it at every chance they get, it is not economically viable to add cross progression. It will not happen, maybe chivalry 3 will have it but aside from that you will never see cross progression in chiv 2 they have pretty much stopped development of chiv 2 they’re not going to go back and add fundimental features that would take months to develop to a dying game especially when the 3rd new game is already being worked on by most of the studio

[brisk geode]

Your acting like you’ve been scammed out of 10K. It’s £40 half a days work, if this is ur response to loosing out on £40 you need to find a job asap. Also no one forced u at gun point to buy a second edition of a game u already own that was your stupid idea 😂

[brisk geode]

Again your not the press you hold no influence, your just 50 dudes crying at eachother in an echo chamber validating each other’s dumb opinions

And top it all off you delusional fools think you can start a class action lawsuit to recoup your Pennie’s lost 😭😂

This has been incredibly entertaining to read through thank you for making my morning 10x funnier

[raw vortex]

If 40£ mean nothing to you, you can give 40£ to the players that got their money scammed. Fair, right?

[brisk geode]

pls point to where i said the words "£40 means nothing to me"

i literally said its half a days work so its worth about 4 hours

[raw vortex]

How come you know about people's earnings? What kind of job and issues in life are you speaking about? Because there's a lot of stuff concerning that

Honestly, your words make it feel like 40£ are nothing. My perception

[analog blade]

I havent lost any money at all. I did not get cross progression.

[analog blade]

I see, you have no interest in seeing others povs. Its an incredibly disappointing situation to many people. I don’t care if it’s affecting you specially but yes people do have power and we can spread ideas.

Anyway calm down why are you getting upset at this? It has nothing to do with you u less your loyal to corporations

[brisk geode]

people do have power but your not people your a few guys on discord talking about filing dumb lawsuits

and im not upset at all like i said it made my morning reading this thread i was laughing my ass off for most of it

you guys are great comedians

[analog blade]

We are not filing anything brother. It was a question someone had so I asked a lawyer of mine. Also, how is 50 people not people. It isn’t just people in this thread. People like Ziggylata and other members share our sentiment. Its likely s good bit of the PC community.

[brisk geode]

curiously what did ur lawer friend say

[analog blade]

You are getting very passionate over nothing concerning you and discouraging protest. Very few actually believed in a law suit.

[brisk geode]

how am i passionate?

[analog blade]

He said its possible but they’ll likely weasel their way out. And I’m not talking to a law student. He’s a retired lawyer.

[analog blade]

Whole lotta words making fun of other people for no reason

[brisk geode]

like 200 words

[analog blade]

Thats all. Just dont get the hate.

[brisk geode]

no hate just trying to slap some reality into you

[analog blade]

I have no interest in debating or talking to you.

[brisk geode]

your wasting your time and breath on this issue and im sure you could be more productive with other things but you do you ill leave you to scream into the echo chamber

have fun trying to convince the 2 remaining devs to complete an impossible task lmao

[river blade]

bro, if your not going to help or do/say something productive leave this thread and go to your job, we are not interested in your opinion,there are already enough people bothering in this world to put up with one more here. Thank you

[brisk geode]

everything i said is productive im giving you a reality check

a desperately needed one

[river blade]

block him and continue

[brisk geode]

if u acc want to enact change that will happen heres an idea instead of campaining to get a feature into a game thats no longer being developed start campaingning to get it in chiv 3 from day 1 that would actually be possible and viable and not a pointless endevor that devolved into a buch of men crying in a discord thread

there productive

[analog blade]

Sure thing bud, you’re enlightenment and so far above us. Thank you for bestowing your wisdom, you may continue your pilgrimage.

[analog blade]

Not being developed????? Chiv 3 ain’t happening for a long ass time if ever.

[brisk geode]

theres 2 devs left working on chiv 2 the rest have moved onto chiv 3

[analog blade]

Proof pls

[brisk geode]

everyones been talking about it since the new update and concidering torn banner hasnt said shit on the situation its most likely true

plus would explain why we get next to no updates

[analog blade]

Everyone?

[brisk geode]

yea b

[analog blade]

Buddy, you need a reality check.

[brisk geode]

why

the game come out 3 years ago ofc they gonna start making a new game

[analog blade]

Delusional

Games last longer that that

[brisk geode]

kinda what every studio does, moves onto a new game leaves skeleton crew to manage the old game

[analog blade]

Just bc cod does that doesnt mean a tiny studio does

[brisk geode]

cod releases every year most game devs release a new game every 3-4 years

[analog blade]

Besides there’s no reason to when chiv 2 is done. They are actively updating it. The delay had to do with the complications with consoles. Working with the teams takes a lot of time. Also the amount of content and increase in quality shows.

Theres no reason to believe they’re working on Chiv 3, you are the delusional one

They havent even concluded anything in the games story

At all

[analog blade]

Lots of AAA, not all devs. Heard of Mordhau? DayZ? Insurgency Sandstorm? TES???