Buff Engineer and ambusher (and Rapier maybe)

[mild parrot]

C'mon we all know these classes are just trash, the engineer, your enemy gets rewarded for destroying something YOU placed to help your team but you don't get rewarded? And 2 barricades? Ik you can resupply but they're weak anyways so basically useless, bear traps are also useless, they literally stun the enemy for 0.5 seconds, their weapons are crap, and the fact they don't have a secondary weapon isn't even fair considering how useless the barricades and bear traps are, they also have some of the worst weapons in the game, which would make sense if they could do anything useful, I suggest giving score to the engineers when their structures get destroyed, since that means they were useful, bear traps drop enemies to the ground for at least 2.5 seconds, giving them more barricades, and to fix the "barricades are weak" problem I suggest 3 different solutions
1-Make their overall HP higher
2-Make them immune to cut type weapons
3-Make them take significantly more damage from blunt weapons.
And then the Ambusher, weak weapons, low damage input, it's almost impossible to be sneaky, katars are trash,etc.
So to fix this problems I suggest that Ambushers can one-hit every class from behind with the dagger special attack, Ik this is kinda controversial, but come on it's almost impossible to sneak behind enemies anyways, I also suggest that Ambushers can't do desertion, how are you supposed to sneak behind if you're always deserting? What makes it also hard to sneak behind enemies is the fact that they can see you from miles away so I suggest some kind of ability to be marked as an ally idk it sounds ridiculous, buff the katars, now make the jab useful make it interrupt hits, also at least add a sword for the ambushers, they can't do much with a short sword and a dagger, also Its impossible to sneak behind enemies if they are spawning every second, so just remove the class or just make a full rework on it because it's trash
Btw sorry if I made any mistake while typing

[keen heath]

I agree that the ambusher and engineer need a little buff and fix, but i disagree that both class are trash, since the engi's job focus more on the obj and ambusher have tons of way to ambush instead of just sneaking behind the enemy (one included gangbang), you gonna have easy time fighting players that pick those sub-class thinking the same as you, but you also gonna have a hard time if you fight those players using those class that know what they are doing

[mild parrot]

How you gonna protect objective with barricades that last 2 seconds
You can't deny this two have disadvantages, even if they aren't trash they still have disadvantages

[keen heath]

They did not say that you can't abuse the game with the barricades

https://tenor.com/view/bardin-think-gif-23224923

[mild parrot]

places barricades
Goes to get more barricades
Turns out while he was getting more the enemy destroyed the ones he had already placed

But with enough anticipation yes you can abuse them

[keen heath]

I don't think that would be the smart choice to rush destroying those barricades near the enemy spawn without teammate

[mild parrot]

Maybe

But what if he did had teammates?

[keen heath]

Based on which obj of what map man

The result may vary

[mild parrot]

True

From now on I'll use the engineer to 1v1

[keen heath]

Yeah you should learn to do that

Cause ya gonna do it a lot

[full cobalt]

ambusher, no this time and also eng as well. The only thing what is coming into the game is unique discussion about long time ago about new design traps and mobile ballista, not the big one but the small one. That is why we have short on short eng class because they are pose to be vestal including the ambusher which they already hit hard I mean seriously hell hard for you can do back dmg and do massive dmg depending what weapon you have, so if you took battle axe that you stole and do massive heavy attack in the back of a knight, you would instance kill him as an ambusher because the bonus is that great. The Eng he will soon getting his utility more advance because we got horse and everyone want either metal trap floor to actually stop the horse that continue dmg enemies certain period or eng will get a ballista that is portable just like Mordhau but less dmg they make which we want make sure it be exact dmg like crossbow but lesser dmg then a crossbow because I already predicted that the mobile ballista may go way too meta and it become that is why I ask request less dmg on players so prediction it would do 15-25 dmg on none armor unit like the vanguard or archer, do a 15% dmg on footmen and doing 25% against knights because the bonus will hit around 30-45 dmg against the knights and footmen.

[mild parrot]

Try finding a battle axe as an Ambusher before dying

I'm just saying his weapons are way too bad

[keen heath]

Then just throw you brain away and accel those as much as ya can

[hearty crow]

I'd settle for engineer just to be given a sword.

[half steeple]

I usually play a bit more as Ambusher, quite fun when you manage to one/two tap someone with a hatchet from behind and run away (repeat process). Only thing which I dislike with it, are the lack of throwable weapons. Maybe give the class like the throwing axes or the mallet to choose from as well. Giving the ambusher subclass a larger variation on what weapons it can have.

[fossil turret]

I mean it’s you so this is bait. But also, these are two classes with fairly high skill floors. Meaning hopping in and trying em usually means you’ll have a bad time. I’ve seen people do wonders on defense with engineer, and while I think they should be allowed to resupply walls at boxes (and maybe have the hatchet or something as a secondary) I think they work as intended otherwise.

And the ambusher, is good. Not sure what else to say there. You’ve gotta play fairly different to other classes but you can do well in most gamemodes with em. Maybe not free for all because it’s all 1vX all the time but otherwise 🤷‍♂️

[fossil turret]

Dodge backwards and throwing knife

[latent niche]

just remove the engi limit and I'll be happy. The defenses are laughable—at least the flimsy paper-thin walls might amount to something when there are more people placing them.

[half steeple]

I’ve been saying this for decades

Engineer is shite

His weapons are surprisingly decent. And the antics with the barricades are great don’t get me wrong, it’s just ZERO XP WHEN ENEMIES DESTROY YOUR BARRIES WHY

[mild parrot]

Ironically they give XP to the person that destroys your barricades

[molten wing]

For starters, the engineer has 4 barricades, you can immediately see a person who does not understand the topic, lol. However, you can only wear 2, then replenish from the drawer and put 2 again. Thus, the defending team can barricade the gate with 16 barricades. The engineer is now in a very good position, as Deals more damage to buildings. However, he must receive points for the fact that the enemy breaks his barricades. Ambusher is also a very interesting class. If you enjoy being a stealth assassin and playing as a spy in TF2, this class is for you. And I don't see any downsides.

[keen heath]

Yeah, the thing is, the class was design to fit 1v1 situation, worse is that sometimes ya can still be outplayed in 1v1, let alone 1vX if ya encounter a group that have vc advantage

[keen heath]

Also, sometimes it would bug out or smth that would make a team have 1 more engi, so it would be 20 instead

[molten wing]

Just yesterday I played some simply gorgeous games for the defenders. The last game was galencourt, which turned into fortnite, where the attackers had no chance to break through this pile of barricades.

[keen heath]

Yeah, really hard if the enemy's engis suddenly have dwarfship

[mild parrot]

Ambusher has a clear disadvantage compared to other classes, how can you be stealthy?
Barricades get destroyed super fast there is no possible way they are useful, I know you can replenish so I'm guessing you assumed I didn't know to look superior, ok you can barricade the gate with 16 barricades which would be useful if all engineers suddenly coordinated and if the barricades didn't got destroyed in under 30 seconds, with the bear trap you can only land 1 hit on an enemy before he raises again like if the bear trap did nothing, I have no problem having no secondary because that would be compensated if the engineer had useful barricades, and an actual useful primary weapon, and lastly the main problem, you don't get XP when someone destroys your barricades

[molten wing]

Where are you from, man? I think, only from one country guy can put Soviet simbol on avatar.

[mild parrot]

From a very small country you've probably never heard of

And there are more ex-soviet countries not only Russia

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[molten wing]

This is true, but as far as I know, the Soviet Union is loved only there. But I could be wrong 🙂

[molten wing]

A year ago, the shovel was too fancy. It was the most powerful weapon on the release, apart from the one-handed spear. That is why it was so nerfed.

[mild parrot]

Wondering why nobody uses engineer with pickaxe

[molten wing]

A great example is the courtyard. The right side with hanging shields and Lion-shaped bushes is always open, thanks to which you can get on the enemy bridge and kill the archers with one hit. The same applies not only to archers. 90 damage per normal hit is great. Just look at the cuts on YouTube - the ambusher is a great class.

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[mild parrot]

I'm assuming rn you're from the US, yes the Soviet Union is missed in Russia more then in any other country, but that's because Russia had the most power inside the Soviet Union

[mild parrot]

Wonder why nobody except for you uses the engineer and the pickaxe

[molten wing]

Bear trap is shit, this is true, but barricades are in a very good state, IMHO.

[mild parrot]

If you think so

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[mild parrot]

Because they don't use a weapon they don't like?

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[mild parrot]

Maybe

But I don't use it because I don't like how it looks tbh

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[mild parrot]

Yeah, but you can't deny there are better weapons

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[mild parrot]

True

Like the Katars

[molten wing]

You can pick up better weapons from killed enemies.

There are always dozens of them.

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[mild parrot]

That's sadly true

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[mild parrot]

Yes, you can always do that

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[mild parrot]

With the pickaxe?

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[molten wing]

But pick ups don't compensate for bad weapons, that's true.

[mild parrot]

Oh, ok

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[mild parrot]

Exactly

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[molten wing]

Me too

[mild parrot]

They are decent

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[mild parrot]

Why?

[molten wing]

But after all, the ambusher has a short sword, which, excuse me, is still OP in duels, as well as LG.

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[mild parrot]

True

[mild parrot]

Ambushers are basically forced into using a short sword + dagger

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[molten wing]

Because both of them op

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[mild parrot]

Well Ambushers being forced into using dagger and short sword gets boring really fast

They can't really use anything else

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[mild parrot]

Short sword + dagger is still the best

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[verbal field]

I just want them to allow us to refill the bear trap from ammo boxes. I don't see why not.

[ruby plover]

Ambusher's are literally perfect right now, if anything buff MAA.

Engineers are honestly really good too. The only thing i'd really like to see is bear trap / spikes being refilled at supply crates (Makes no sense they arn't)

[mild parrot]

True

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[pearl wing]

ambusher is alright

[mild parrot]

The problem is you're basically forced into using short sword + dagger
Since other weapons are just worse

[pearl wing]

i do agree could do with some weapon variety

what do you even get, cudgel isnt bad, cant think of any other weapons.

honestly part of the problem imo is cause of how many weapons that are just reskins for other weapons

idk this game is good but i just think about how mordhau has so many weapons in it.

and you can just say well yea but a lot of these weapons will end up having similar stats

but its just about choice really.

[mild parrot]

Mace and morning star for example have the exact same stats, morning star is slightly longer

[pearl wing]

yea like all these weapons have some differences

like its so weird how the bardiche halberd and billhook are all the same weapon in this

and if like there was just a few dagger/short sword varieties of different lengths damage etc it would at least like give you some form of variety, even if its just all still daggers.

[mild parrot]

When they grab 2 different weapons and put them as skins for another weapon

[pearl wing]

yea

[keen heath]

Ya spoiled too much man 🤫

[full cobalt]

I steal lots stuff in the battlefield as ambusher, so pretty much it is no excuses to say that, it just you gotta use your wits before you charging like a mad man

[mild parrot]

It shouldn't be like that, you should be able to have decent weapons without having to pick them up

[full cobalt]

hahaha, do you know how many things I don't stop throwing crap at ppl? I seriously throw away my hachet if I know a stage has tons of axe or armory of weapons, that what you do as ambusher, it is a dush move

[mild parrot]

Them why do they even give you weapons? Better just have nothing