Legacy Weapons

[torpid axle]

ChivalryMW had tons of weapons, and while I do not feel every weapon needs to be brought over to Chivalry 2, there were some unique weapons that have not made their way back into our hands. These are the weapons that are unique enough to where they absolutely need to make their way into the game (in order of which ones I want added first) as well as where they belong in the subclass meta:

- Sling (Skirmisher exclusive weapon)
- Flail (Guardian exclusive weapon)
- Quarterstaff (Man At Arms exclusive weapon)
- Brandistock (weapon skin for the spear)

I feel that not only are these weapons fan favorites from the original that are now missing, but they are also significantly more creative than some of the new weapons that have been released (except the Katar, those things look fun). Why add a bigger Greatsword, or a Heavier Crossbow when you can add new, unique weapons that play differently from the rest like you did with the Rapier and Katar? Bring back legacy weapons!

forgot the other images form ChivalryMW

[deft oxide]

Yes

[torpid axle]

Yes

[tiny fox]

@tiny fox

[torpid axle]

lmao

Man At Arms does need some love, he only has one unique weapon

then again Raider also only has one unique weapon

[onyx swan]

highland flail when

[torpid axle]

🤢

[valid sleet]

when can we put heads on spears and make it a hammer

[torpid axle]

Polehammer bro

[signal ridge]

just add all of the content from chiv 1 into chiv 2. its free real estate

[torpid axle]

some weapons have been added as skins for other weapons

for example, the Sword of War from ChivalryMW was added in Chivalry 2 as a skin for the Longsword

and the Zweihander was added as a skin for the Greatsword

[signal ridge]

what about smoke pot

[torpid axle]

Apparently the smoke pot was dropped as a feature due to performance issues with the smoke

[signal ridge]

bruh

[torpid axle]

because I've found the smoke pot symbol in the game files

[signal ridge]

consoles runing everything

[torpid axle]

so it existed at one point

[torpid axle]

the game is still alive due to consoles

if it weren't for console players, the game would be dead

[torpid axle]

yeah overall just screwed in every direction

but I think it's harmless to ask for the devs to implement weapons that were unique from ChivalryMW

[signal ridge]

im not talkin just weapons. maps and gamemodes too

thats what ppl rlly want

[torpid axle]

Yeah but this thread is about adding back legacy weapons

[signal ridge]

true

maybe ill make a seperate thread for that

[torpid axle]

The main idea behind adding legacy weapons is to add weapons that play differently in unique ways compared to other weapons

Weapons like the Highlander Sword and Heavy Crossbow are not unique. Sure, I'm glad there's more options, but they're not special

[deft oxide]

Fuh fuh fuh FLAILS

[torpid axle]

The Rapier and Katar are good examples of better weapons

[signal ridge]

what about bradistock thats just another spear

[torpid axle]

and all the weapons I've suggested would have unique enough gameplay

[torpid axle]

it's a spear that can swing

[signal ridge]

ah

so a halberd

[torpid axle]

I guess. But it wouldn't have an overhead

Basically the Spear but it's swing is actually a swing, and it's overhead is like a stab

there are many ways to do it

But that's also why it's at the bottom of the list

it's the weapon I'm least interested in adding

[deft oxide]

Honestly shield changes and/or flails are the only thing that might get me to play regularly again. Combats stale now

[torpid axle]

I see

[signal ridge]

ok if the overhead stab was slower and did more dmg thatd be pretty good

[wary osprey]

Gimme my fookin sling

Btw I think the skirmisher should get the sling. It would provide a new weapon for skirmishers, of course. While Bowmen got the warbow, crossbowmen get the heavy crossbow, and the Skirmishers get the sling to doink fools in the head

[torpid axle]

I agree

[brisk ridge]

Absolutely do not add the brandistock.

It was grotesque in chiv 1 and just imagine a spear that can twoshot every class

[torpid axle]

I could live without the brandistock, but the other three are mandatory

[brisk ridge]

Id like it more if the other options that arent in chiv 2 from chiv 1 were included

Alot of polearms got replaced into halberd skins which is a real shame

[torpid axle]

you can suggest any unique weapons you'd like I just suggested these because I miss them

[brisk ridge]

I cant really, most of the ideas are now mixed into a "general" weapon (like Halberd) and then simply turned into a skin.

Bardiche and Billhook for example.

Unfortunately unless a weapon comes and does something different or unique, most of the weapon types have already been cornered in Chiv 2 and skins are the only destination for anything not here

[torpid axle]

I mean you can suggest weapons that haven't already been added (including skins)

that's why I suggest sling, flail, quarterstaff

I really want them and they don't exist yet in chivalry 2

[brisk ridge]

Warclub vs Quarterstaff

[torpid axle]

I guess I would want the quarterstaff more

war club is cool but I like the quarterstaff more

[deft oxide]

if there was a sling I might consider trying skirmisher

[brisk ridge]

No, im asking for a difference

[torpid axle]

yeah it'd be dope

[brisk ridge]

If animations then one is worse than the other

[torpid axle]

just add the qauarterstaff from Chivalry 1

[brisk ridge]

so

the warclub

but shorter

[deft oxide]

they'd probably end up making it a warclub skin lol

[torpid axle]

I think shorter on the swings but longer on the stab would be interesting

oh yeah and have it not have hitstop

that'd be unique. a blunt weapon with no hitstop

[deft oxide]

that's what I had in mind for flails. it'd make sense since they're articulated weapons

[torpid axle]

oh yeah and it would be an MAA exclusive

so that'd be dope too

MAA needs another unique weapon

[tropic bane]

Ya know, funny enough i find raider op in 1v1 aganist almost every sub-class when they have glaive
Perhaps replace the 2nd slot glaive into quaterstaff

[random tinsel]

we played with smoke pots at first alphas of this game, i'ld like to have it now

[torpid axle]

They were removed because of performance, right?

Can't see another reason for them to be removed

That's what other alpha testers told me

[random tinsel]

i supose it, i never found to read about this

[tiny fox]

It's actually still in the game but needs console commands to use

Saw a dev in EU use it once lol

[torpid axle]

no way

[tiny fox]

It works really well too

And looks nice

[torpid axle]

that means with mod support it can come back 🥲

so it was just performance that prevented it from being implemented?

[tiny fox]

Guarantee you it's another thing limited by having last Gen consoles be able to play the game

[torpid axle]

ah I see

[tiny fox]

Unfortunate tradeoff

[torpid axle]

well I like the game being alive so not that bad of a tradeoff

[tiny fox]

Console will keep the game alive for a while! Hopefully Mordhaus release doesn't cannibalize too many players

Anyway, not the point of the thread.

@tiny fox and honestly I saw someone mention a brandistock spear skin which I loved the idea of

Because that weapon was horrible to deal with but it looked great

Brutal with the 3 points

[torpid axle]

brandistock spear skin would be cool and yes quarterstaff MAA NOW

[rough aurora]

We need that heavier crossbow so I can carry my portable ballista

[deft oxide]

op

[torpid axle]

To be honest I don't know why they considered adding the heavy crossbow before the sling

The sling would be awesome

[deft oxide]

Heavy crossbow would be easier to make

Katar is like the only unique weapon so far lol

[grand notch]

I'm looking forward to people trying to deal with the hit detection on the Heavy Crossbow on Live servers vs PTR ones.

[tiny fox]

Sling was fun

[grand notch]

I wish they would do Heavy Javs though instead of Heavy X Bow

[tiny fox]

The option between unlimited rocks and limited lead pellets was cool too

Changed around your playstyle a bit

[torpid axle]

I think Rapier was unique enough. but yeah Highlander Sword and Heavy Crossbow are so meh

[torpid axle]

bro Ziggy would cry

[torpid axle]

In Chivalry 2 they could make it simpler by having you have like 15 lead balls and then when you run out rocks become your new ammo (instead of you having zero ammo)

then you could resupply to replenish the lead balls

[grand notch]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cats-awkward-awkward-cat-cat-awkward-gif-24906225

[deft oxide]

Heavy jav guardian 🗿

[torpid axle]

please no

[tiny fox]

If I remember correctly the main advantage of sling was high mobility while aiming

I think sling would work much better in chiv 2 than it did 1. It's a good thought (just not before quarterstaff)

[torpid axle]

yeah in this game the advantage would be being able to block while using it

cuz you can kinda shoot while mobile with the other ranged options already

sling in right hand, light shield in the other

[tiny fox]

Lead doing bonus blunt damage would make sense

It sounds like it would be just another thing to complain about, I support this addition

[torpid axle]

me too

[atomic nova]

A polearm for vanguard is fitting no? It’s a loadout from chiv1 as well.

[brisk ridge]

If anything ever shows up thats beyond unreasonably overpowered

I will main it out of spite.

Luckily, despite my dislike for javelin, one-handed spear, messer, arrows, ect... I don't think any of them are "too much".

[torpid axle]

It's okay I don't want heavy javelins either

[exotic swallow]

Getting sat down by console peasants?? Hmmm

[solemn kraken]

Please no slings, would love to see flail, and quarterstaff, brandi skin for spear is ok.

[torpid axle]

why no sling? are you more of a fan of the heavy crossbow?

because you're getting one or the other, and it isn't your choice

🥴

[solemn kraken]

I am not a fan of either , _ ,

[tiny fox]

brandi skin is just a skin

i only ask for it because i dont want the brandistock itself xD

@tiny fox

[torpid axle]

Man I can't wait for these awesome legacy weapons to be added to Chivalry 2!

[gloomy seal]

I never played archer but weren't there different ammo types for thr arrows too? That could be interesting i think

[torpid axle]

Yes, there were two different types of arrows

[compact wren]

quarterstaff, brandistock (vanguards deserve their polearms back dammit!), rock slings, and emblem + color customization needs to return

[gloomy seal]

Combinding the bardiche, halberd, and billhook was finr. They are pretty much the same. I agree Brandistock/fork could work as its own weapon-
+Slash does a regular slash like cmw, but has hitstop
+Special can be like 1 handed spear
+overhead does an overhead stab like in the first game
+stab is still stab

[frigid cedar]

How would flail work within the Chiv 2 system? Which binds the tracer to the model. just curious

You would essentially have the most awkward weapon of all time, you could accel from behind you

Avoiding awkward and shitty animations is something the devs do well

[compact wren]

well in chiv 1 it was essentially a mace with a different animation set - could do the same in chiv 2 with the ball not being physics-based, though they'd have to be careful about the hitboxing
would be cool if for heavy attacks you could just hold it while spinning it around (maybe with stamina drain if you keep holding it)

[frigid cedar]

Adding a static state like that would add even more server strain, another variable and piece of data that every client would have to interpret, the servers are barely alive as is

[compact wren]

would be functionally the same as a held block no?

[frigid cedar]

functionally it doesn't block attacks and it would quickly attack on release, sounds pretty different

[gloomy seal]

That would be tough on servers and desync. I think it would work better if it had set animations like the classic game. And jelly when its not in swing

[compact wren]

what are you saying about server strain then????

doesn't seem awfully complicated

[frigid cedar]

I just have trouble believing they will add something like this when they are already pushing the limits of server stability

but even without the extra state, flail would have to be unique somehow, since theirs pretty much already a combination of every range, speed, damage, and damage type in the game already. If it just had a different animation pool that would be completely overpowered, it would break the rythmn of the game.

[torpid axle]

The vanguard still has their polearms, the classes have just been renamed

For clarification, in chivalry 1 vanguard was the class with medium health and medium speed. In Chivalry 2 the class with medium health and medium speed is the footman, so he has the pole arms

[torpid axle]

We can get more creative with weapons. Additions like the Katar push the boundaries on weapon consistency enough to where we can suggest crazy ideas. A special attack that hits twice to get guaranteed damage on the second attack? Sure why not.

If we can have that, we can have crazy ideas

One of the crazy ideas being the flail having the ability to hold its heavy attack by holding down the button

Just swinging around in place like a doofus

Even simple stuff. Like I've said that the quarter staff would be special because it would be the only weapon that doesn't have hitstop

In fact, time to make a new thread

[tropic bane]

And ya know what is funny? Somehow he got 2 of them, super offensive, but then they give him a defendsive skill

[shell bridge]

https://tenor.com/view/robinhood-daffy-duck-looney-toons-gif-14042084

Bump

[frigid cedar]

Quarterstaff would be baller AF

[rough aurora]

Ah a three pronged spear

[rough aurora]

Chiv 2 would greatly benefit from these additions

[compact wren]

qstaff is back, we did it boys

the greatest bonkmas gift ever

[tropic bane]

Now give it to the raider

[torpid axle]

It's not on Man At Arms