#How will the merge affect things?
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Everything will be transferred over to the Riiconnect24 services.
no that is incorrect
Wii Mail you will have to repatch with RiiConnect24. Send me your Wii Number then you can run the RiiConnect24 patcher
EVC, News and Forecast will remain the same as RC24 for now
As in EVC will run RiiConnect24 polls and News will still be RiiConnect24
pinned thread moment
real!
🤑
i thought forecast channel was gonna be wiilink's?
current rc24 users have to get the wiilink patch for that
We can’t just switch because there are too many cities
it would break thousands of consoles
well break their forecast
does forecast channel url swapper work tho
That's why when i send mails through riiconnect24 is slow
I'll repatch
Nvm it doesn't works
Its already registered
I know i can patch using wiilink then riiconnect24
Nvm
Wait so do we have to install the WiiLink Forecast Channel or not?
What do I have to do with my setup I only have riiconnect 24 I don't have Wii Link
I only have the riiconnect 24 channels will the patcher be updated or something
Hello?
People who’ve already connected to RC24 don’t have to do anything
It’s just WiiLink users who have to change stuff
for the message board at least
How are you, I am under the water, please help me blpblbpbpblbobp
(sorry)
I'm assuming that Riiconnect and WiiLink services are going to be merged
will it still be using the Riiconnect24 branding and will i need to repatch channels for it to operate properly (i was using RC24 prior to the merger of development)
You don't need to do anything.
will riiconnect forecast channel be discontinued or will it still be up for use
"You do not need to modify your setup". That's what it says.
Thank you
I apologize for the inconvenience, I saw it after I posted this
Oh ok
Question- what is the brand of this development project after the merger, is everything going to be called wiilink or riiconnect24?
What if it was called RiiLink24?
Already taken by Nintendo
it was sarcasm bro 😭
Do you guys think RiiLink24 is a good merged name of both brands?
just keep it riiconnect24
wiiconnect24
^
What Abt new users
nope
wiiconnect24 better tbh
no
😭
it (kind of) makes sense but
eh
best name ever
Wiiconnect24 is already taken by Nintendo, we can't use it.
I think thats the joke XD
Well I don't get it.
I still think we should call it Revolution Live 24 if we were to rebrand.
nah
it should be called wiiconnect24
I've said it multiple times I don't get the joke already.
And I'll say this again
NINTENDO
ALREADY
OWNS
THAT
NAME
Get it then
Well, I'm sure you've got the whole squad laughing...
thats the joke, Nintendo owns the name
its not that funny but still
Yeah I know it's not funny anymore but still
All in favor of the RiiLink24 name?
Honestly, RiiConnect24 isn't the best name since it doesn't sound any different from WiiConnect24.
RiiLink24 isn't any different, but I'd rather have it sound like WiiLink24
yes 💰
I currently use the RC24 patched forecast channel. So should I use this patcher to get more cities?
No need, should've already applied. Mine showed NK's status.
Pyongyang was in RiiConnect24 version too. I saw that there are more cities, but I don't know if they are all of them
would there be any harm in running that anyway?
It's really just unnecessary to do it.
no
@delicate crescent sorry for ping. What do you think?
whar
We won't be using a combination of both service's names
yeah tbh i like both names of the services
Question if somebody is using the new patcher for reconnect 24 will they need a discord account to link their Wii
no
what would happen if the op of this thread deletes it?
there will be umbreon
dont do it op 😿
100th message
102
Yes
dead chat
How to working riitag channel on vwii?
no
well I never saw it somehow
Bomb
make a new thread
Is it wii to email (pc, etc.) Or wii to wii?
make your own thread
Gimme frog coins
I was never book smart
im money smart
Makes me more intelligent
ok to clarify im using Rc24 forecast do i need to switch to wiilink or can i stay?
you can stay but you get greatly reduced cities
ok thx
That thing from the forecast channel Is wrong. You are using riiconnect24 version if you had it before, and it will not change for you automatically. You have to patch wiilink's one manually of u want it. Riiconnect24 cannot change it because it will brick many wiis if they do that kind of update.
How can the Forecast Channel brick a Wii? (Besides a banner brick, obviously)
No i mean that if they update it that way, it will brick many wiis
I don't really know, i'm not really smart.
But i still have the riiconnect24 version
Well I have the Riiconnect24 edition, and I'm able to look at NK's weather, so clearly it must have changed
Pyongyang was there even in the RiiConnect24 version. Idk why people think it was only on WiiLink's version
what????
we can't brick your wii
it is really hard to brick a Wii...
@delicate crescent yeah i know i'm dumb and i misunderstood like always
How the fuck would a wii brick because of that
At worst case the forecast channel would just spit an error if something is not right
I misunderstood okay?
I already told you that I know that i'm dumb and i misunderstood
@brittle oyster i thought that I readed about it somewhere but once again, i was wrong.
ah ok
Wii bricker 9000 by emilydaemon:
@delicate crescent Do you think RiiLink24 would be a good new name for the combined services since the RiiConnect24 name is phased out?
no i don't like it
Fair enough
Why are you all so obsessed with "RiiLink24"?
Gives recognition to the work of both wiilink24 and riiconnect24 in the name
This image should kill your riilink obsession
What about RWiink24
What about calculator24
What about shutthefuckup24
Yea
+1 for this name
ew
no
Its
Already
TAKEN
You're not getting me with that joke. It's not funny. Never has, and never will.
I am dead serious about this.
This joke has been stretched far too long
WiiLink RiiConnect24
then get alive serious
Do I need to constantly have to do this to every single user here???
no
RWink24
no
Stop. Really. It's not funny anymore. It never was.
yah
twink24
I can't believe emilydaemon would do such a thing
Kiwi24 🥝
So,in the end of the merging will we need to repatch some channels?
Well, we didn't think that the RiiConnect24 name was going in the first place to be changed due to grunt not indicating that.
Just to think that I was going to buy RiiConnect24 merch.
from the redbubble
If the name change happened after/if I bought it, I would've asked for a refund. The only reason I didn't was because I had trouble figuring out how I could get a pop socket on with the case. I encourage everyone who bought RiiConnect24 merch to ask for a refund.
Why would you buy merch from RC24 😭
Also the money made from it is not in our possession afaik
That was a Larsen thing
We cannot process refunds bro
The name was held up for vote in the dev server with a majority on WiiLink
With the hopes of unifying all the services (WiiConnect24, region exclusives and WFC)
Sounds pretty bias coming from a WiiLink developer.
Why the fuck would you buy WiiLink merch
I mean I could design it, but that wouldn't mean I'd go out wearing it 😭
Were RC24 devs involved in this too?
RC24 devs are Larsen and KCR
Larsen is not a part of the project anymore and KCR was notified
Beforehand
Was KCRPL in the vote
Mhm
Alright, well, maybe that vote should've been earlier and decided which Discord server stayed.
You're changing the name of a Discord server to your old one then having all your members going there.
Why should we use the old one?
It has less members
We gave everyone ample room to switch to this one so it's easier to manage
Yeah
Why was the name change done as a hierarchy?
That's obv gunna annoy people, especially since rc24 been around far longer and is more well known than wiilink (no offence intended)
Also most of the work was and still is hosted/made/maintained by rc24 (giving credit to wiilink making the japenese channels and improvements to the nintendo and news chamnels), but credit is given exclusively to wiilink.. it's kinda a slap in the face to rc24 (again no offence intended)
Obviously I am slightly biased being here from early rc24 days however I still feel like it's been an injustice how it's gone down, in past major things like this have generally gone to a public vote and been on a majority rules basis which also has it's problems don't get me wrong.
But ever since december WiiLink has been running everything, it's not like they're separate things
There's still quite a few things run by I can't say name or message blocked
What is that?
Which I'm not complaining about just kinda weird
To my knowledge all RiiConnect24 services are now run by us, including the development, hosting and maintenance
Personally I would've kept both names, but it wasn't up to me
Yea it's just my opinion on it, some will agree some won't
Yeah absolutely
(i would buy wiilink merch like uh stickers or something)
wiilink dlc
Hi! So, as of when this merger happened I think, My disc light, where it would flash blue when I got something in the mail, doesn't do that anymore. The light isn't dead, because it lights up with everything else, aka inserting a disc, being on usbloader, etc
and the setting is on in the wii settings
but it stopped working after the merger
Give us the john Wiilink24 cookies
you might have forgotten to run the rc24 mail patcher if you were previously on wiilink mail
I wasn't previously on wii link mail though, it was through the old riiconnect24 patcher
Kinda figured out that the issue is wii mail isn't receiving rn
you are only contributing
but how will the merge affect things
riiconnect24 is not part of the family, it just is thrown out altogether
It was better when they had RiiConnect24 as a WiiLink service
I mean it changes nothing really
I mean, I can't get the original Nintendo Channel. It was changed without my permisson.
What
I do not want a WiiLink24 banner
There wasn't a RiiConnect24 banner
I have new banners designed
But they haven't been implemented
Because changing banners is a drag
Is there a setting I can change to remove the WiiLink banner?
I don't recall there being one no
but I feel like that's a contradiction to a proposed design of "party like it's 2006"
I also didn't agree to this TOS when I downloaded the Nintendo Channel off the patcher.
don't use it then
If you really don't like the current Nintendo Channel thumbnail you uninstall it so it isn't there
yeah
Why wouldn't you have RiiConnect24 users re-patch their Wiis so they would be forced to agree to the WiiLink TOS?
@brittle oyster
Like what's the point of acting like a company if you're gonna make some people agree to the TOS but not others and enforce it on everyone?
It's essentially by using the service you agree, idk why it's worded weirdly
*RiiConnect24's Nintendo Channel having a WiiLink logo on the thumbnail
I think it is the way the Wii Channels are set up, they are updated on the server side until they are updated again. (which explains why Deliveroo still shows on there iirc) When the merge happened it switched some channels from RiiConnect24 to WiiLink automatically without notice.
What is the point of the ToS if it is gonna be ignored?
I don't even know, this is a fan service so expect rough transitions
[Don't have a problem with either by the way]
other than deleting the nintendo channel save, no
I noticed, that when they made the switch, (i had all riiconnect24 services) , mii contest channel and nintendo channel didn't work anymore properly. Mii contest channel had no contests, and nintendo channel videos weren't working, and just a tiny percent of the videos that was before the switch, was there. I think that those problems haven't been solved at least to this day when i send this message.
That's actually a good question🤔
I had all RiiConnect24 channels and they all worked before and after they merged
Or well takeover XD
No, nintendo channel videos do not work nowadays
And the staff knows it
Same with cmoc not having contests
I mean they functioned at the time, the videos on both were buffering every 5 seconds and CMOC had a few contests after the merge iirc
So true XD just make the channels work
I guess it's cool and all, but you aren't seriously going to watch old game trailers in 240p in the nintendo channel
Lol it's for the channel's revival XD
When you say "switched" are you referring to the RiiConnect24 services using the same server as WiiLink just so you're not paying for two hosting services? I also feel like how a TOS normally works is that there's a pop up that does not allow you to move past it until you agree to it. I realize that this is far fetched for a revival service, but there are many ways WiiLink can force RiiConnect24 users to agree to their TOS.
When I said switched I meant the channels switch from the RiiConnect24 server to the WiiLink server done by someone. The ToS on Wii cannot be shown again after already agreeing so they can't make a new agreement iirc. They could have however sent a Wii Mail letter notifying the users.
Why do you think Instagram limits you from searching freely until you make an account? They want you to agree to their TOS. Why do you think some websites give a cookie disclaimer? Because they're legally required to.
Potentially in EU, in most places this isn't a legal requirement (laws are outdated)
WiiLink is a group softmodding a retro console, Meta Platforms is a multi-billion dollar company
Alot of sites simply state in their TOS that by using the service you agree, and if you don't you will stop using it
and if you don't you will stop using it
What aloz meant is that they switched his chanels without permissions given by another ToS I think
I don't even remember rc24s tos but I'm sure it covered this
If it didn't then I guess you're right notice should have been given but realistically not required, though maybe in the EU I'm not 100% on their laws but they are alot more strict on digital spaces
I don't even know if they had one
Yeah I know, the EU is very on the game in terms of what's going on in the tech world. The cookie popup went from something you had to agree to, to something that you had to give users an option to opt opt, to something that you can disable in the click of a button.
I think I remember it being on the dns which personally I didn't read lol
Oh yeah. I forgot RC did have a TOS when you put in the DNS.
I think it really just potentially allows Wii Sports Resort to use CMOC Miis in Table Tennis.
It used to help connections speed up slightly with wiimfii as well as allow use of the mk channel competition stat's amoung other minor things
Now it's almost entirely redundant
But L####n pushed that the DNS allowed RC24 channels in general to have better performance.
Yea I'm not sure why it's even still up
Speed up slightly? Doesn't wiimmfi have to partner with RC24 to help make that happen?
Idk the details of it but L did say that it made the connection work better somehow iirc
He did
But yea he did work with a lot of people from other projects behind the scenes to make these things work
Drama aside I miss his implementation of improvements
I did as well
but I feel like he wanted to take credit for a lot of the stuff he did
Is wiilink not doing the same
The whole rebrand still bothers me lol cause it went from minimal credits to big a** banners of wiilink everywhere
The big banners with WiiLink are on it's website only, and on Nintendo Channel because they haven't updated the thumbnail
I think different staff members switch between being the spokesperson. In the early stages, grunt was the main person who was making announcements, but now he's staying down.
I was not expecting grunt to actually type in here lol
Oh you mean in that regard iirc it was mainly L and kc running it prior
well at that point I wanted to help coordinate the merge and changes to the community (especially here) because this community is close to me
except now I have much more important shit to deal with in relation to my own life that trumps this community
I've done my job for the most part
Yeah, I mean, RC24 did not have that big of a development team. L####n would rather have more attention than have faster development.
I mean, the RC24 channel was just him talking. I enjoyed his content, but there wasn't much diversity among the staff.
Occasionally kc would post too, but you're right there wasn't much of anyone else
I wonder what WiiLink will be like after it fully becomes "finished". RiiConnect24 is probably gonna be gone and all RiiConnect24 content is transferred to the WiiLink website and they have their WiiLink WFC ready. Also the channels still in development
Also, if RC24 had a TOS, there must be a way that WiiLink easily smushed itself in there. When a big company buys a small company, there’s gotta be a sneaky way that they get the data. I'm not saying that's WiiLink, but I'm just making inferences.
When a big company buys a small company
Well not really "bought" but given iirc
Essentially L gave everything to wiilink there's still a few things he runs but for the most part it's them now
I don't really think RC24 had plans for anything new after CMOC. It was really just L####n creating drama for 2 years.
Yes
I'd have to disagree with that, I think drama found him regardless of if he wanted it or not, people just couldn't leave him alone lol
Still can't imo
He's running some things? I wouldn't have thought he would be interested in doing that.
I spoke to him awhile ago he's still in the scene alas alot less, but he wanted development to continue so he stepped down from rc24
Well, I mean, he stole code that allowed the Nintendo Channel to run without any errors at startup. I think WiiLink24 was justified to call him out on that.
Everyone steals eachothers code in this scene tbh
XD
It's really arguable if it was even stolen as well
It's not really different to "stealing" Nintendo's code to recover wc24
Reverse engineering to be more accurate
I heard someone say that too
I think they are saying that too add on to bad stuff he has done, But I don't know him.
Honestly i think encouraging mob mentality wasn't the best way to deal with that situation even if it was deleted after the fact
I do think you have a good point because someone on RC24 likely would've figured that error eventually.
Don't get me wrong he's said some dumb stuff but I don't think he deserves to be treated like an outcast and shunned but that's my opinion
However, collaboration looks like "hey, how did you fix this" not "I'm gonna figure out how you did this"
Is he banned?
Yes even saying his name gets auto moderated
Technically I don't think we'd even be allowed to have this conversation for "continuing drama" or the like lol
Some people were saying that people would never be able to move on if his name was allowed.
Why would L####n be helping out with 1 or 2 behind the scenes things if he's banned?
Bit of both, intention was to improve the service implementation was not so good
Idk probably for whatever reason he ran rc24 for
Have the staff confirmed that he's banned?
Yes he's 100% banned
Since the merger?
How long ago was the merger
Probally December maybe
Iirc he was banned before that idk the details
Yeah. I can get he wanted a break. I think the Shop rival service he and his friend made really caused a lot of drama.
He was accused of leaking IPs when L####n denies it so evidence should be provided. I never saw evidence or multiple people (from both RC and WiiLink) saying it's true.
I'm still yet to see any proof of what he was accused of, what I did see was really far fetched accusing his friend or whatever of buying adult items when he's 14 iirc and it was a cheap $10 Amazon item.. whole thing seemed silly
Idk why that would be relevant. L####n is a weird dude
Only relevant because I asked if there was any proof, and that's what I was provided with 😅
Ohh I see. So, his freshman friend buying adult stuff was their proof that IPs were being doxxed?
Dang, what has this community come to.
That and heresay , Essentially he said she said
Yep I thought the exact same thing, how does this justify the public mass accusations
I think this was mostly brought upon by grunt
I have some responses from him that I'll share
I think they're pretty reasonable
here it is
I had a discussion about what his intentions were and he shared them with me. I think he's trying to warn people, but it also kind of makes it look like it's WiiLink bashing, not the individual.
Yea I don't know, I think it was reasonable to inform people, but provide proof as well
I think the intention was to shut it down for piracy reasons
Or at the least, speak to them first so they can rectify it first then announce hey this happened
but that might've been a combination of factors
I think we take what journalists do pergranted. They are required to speak to both sides before sharing the story.
The announcement imo was very defamatory and accusation heavy
I agree
I messaged grunt a lot about recent server changes and he actually started to address them, which I'll give him credit for, but then he stopped responding.
Speaking of which, I need to respond to his message from earlier
I completely understand priorities, but is there a staff member that I can redirect my unanswered questions to that was involved in the merger? You just completely ignored me instead of being straightforward if you wanted me to ask someone else which gives WiiLink a bad light in my eyes.
probably sketch but you have to understand they're busy too
I mean no disrespect out of any response that I didn't give you but when I say I have a lot on my shoulders right now, I've been struggling
consequentially responding to people hasn't been my top priority depending on the context
Wdym depending on context? ofc you're gonna respond to your irl friends, but do you only respond to some stuff regarding WiiLink?
I think also, there's a website recreation of the Wii Shop channel. I remember knowing it existed and looking up a certain WiiWare game on there to see if it allowed use of a Wiimote. I was surprised that it actually let me download stuff from there.
I was laughing and shocked
Like why hasn't that been called out?
Yea I found that too, it's quite cool but a matter of time before it gets a cease and desist
yeah, just whenever Nintendo gets around to it
I think because they're not making a profit from it, it's low priority but nintendo are notorious for taking these things down
We both know the answer to this 😅
L####n isn't the owner?
At the same time L####n's main service that he's known for isn't down.
but I think that's cause it's been up for awhile
hard for Nintendo to find
back when I was first using it, I had to look up a certain tweet to remember what it was
Yea I find that surprising there's literally everything on there
Though I do know as long as you're not making money from it they're not nearly as harsh and quick to respond
Same. I mean, it's painful to search stuff up. I think it's easier to use the Wii Shop remake.
There's still a few different projects of that, if they ever come to fruition is another story
As long as it stays low, Nintendo's not going for it anytime soon
Pretty sure the code for r shop is still out there too so someone may continue it
lol
Back when Palworld was released, a bunch of people messaged Nintendo and they were forced to respond.
so Nintendo does listen
I don't think they have grounds to stand on with palworld
There's not enough similarities
Agree
Nintendo week
There are reuploads of that on youtube
But when watching them from nintendo channel, it brings back memories
the whole point of the project is so it can revive channels
yeah I get it
what i'm saying is that there are other ways to watch what there is on the nintendo channel
Same for weather, news, and votes XD
@unkempt scroll Do you think that grunt was a bit manipulative in order to get Dark to shut the project down? Money was made so idk. Maybe he actually would've been in "legal hot water" but if he wasn't making any money, he would've gotten a cease and desist order at the most.
honestly i think that way too.
Yeah. Nathan Boehm isn't blocked but L####n is. Wilder and I were just talking about the favoritism in terms of who they chose to go after.
i read the chat for a bit and i also think that they just went after them, honestly i don't think any "major leak" happened in "the shop", i was there in the chat and nothing seemed abnormal
Yeah, L####n freaked out trying to say what was said was false and I think Dark didn't know what to do and went to the nearest person who could help him.
Grunt said to me that he was trying to be informative, but he could've chosen to not say the name. I'm sure there was a way of warning people without giving any identifiable information. He's also saying it on behalf of the RiiConnect24 server which doesn't look good for the Wii Online Revival Community.
Exactly, also the atmosphere isn't the same anymore after the merge
Yeah. I preferred WiiLink and RiiConnect24 to be in their own separate worlds.
but it seems like L####n was cool with the merge so it seems like it did end up happening
same, there probably was something shady going on behind the scene, and there are even some things i can tell you privately about it
I'm glad to know I'm not the only one that didn't see any evidence put forth in terms of the allegations that L####n was leaking console information.
Really? It's sad that there's all this drama just for a rivial service.
Yes indeed, but the way some people act to be the of the good side, when they aren't makes me a bit upset yk what i mean
because the guy on the latter has done significantly more damage to the overall functioning and goodwill of this community
over a far longer course than the former
everything that has been done has been with the explicit intent of trying to minimize this childish fucking "drama" that has been going on for years within this place, I would know for how long I've been here, and sometimes we need to pick and choose these things out of principle
one fuckup isn't that big of a strike against my interpretation of someone really
Honestly we should remove the word ban
The potential for drama is not as high as it was before
well it wasn't banned
It's more annoying than anything
until a bunch of jackasses decided to embark on a campaign to spend their every waking moment talking about the mf
much less the people who were attempting to doxx him
Also who the fuck is Nathan Boehm
Yes but that was long ago
I don't have a problem with removing the word ban but if the talk about them gets excessive or we start seeing sus shit done again
then we probably need to put it back
Sounds good
@daring anvil idfk if this is true and I made you do anything
this is a very confusing statement
I have no clue what they're on about

Right idea but it’s a more blatant
I was talking about Dakotath, not @daring anvil . Although it’s understandable because I thought the name started with Dark
So idk how many details I can say. I will delete if you want me to, but basically if you use the right search terms, there will be a site on the top of Google that looks like the regular Wii Shop Channel before it was discontinued. Except, it’s more than that.
It would make sense to say that compared to the new person I introduced. Larsen is older than Nathan (I think). Larsen is more well known than Nathan. Your term of “damaged” seems a bit vague, but I found some YouTuber group talking about it. https://youtu.be/_Z828KKKVr0?si=7kuMVNy4Om4iiAwr It is very hard to find the document shown in the video and I had to scroll along to find all the bullet points. According to that video, WiiLink has stated that Larsen has had an obsession in them. Does his history condone following him where he goes in the Wii community, or even outside of that? When I was talking about the shop revival by Larsen earlier and you look in the previous messages, I felt like no evidence was put forth in his alleged doxxing of console information. I was not the only one that felt like no evidence was put forth in this regard. In regards to the Nintendo Channel, @wilder94 had said earlier that reverse engineering had gone on earlier which is exactly what RiiConnect24 and WiiLink24 do on channels that they focus development on. How do you differentiate the term between what RiiConnect24 did to WiiConnect24 channels and what Larsen did to you? It is a bit of an entitlement to say something like “oh, you figured this out? Can I have it? If we can’t agree quick enough I’ll try to figure it out”, but wouldn’t it have been done eventually anyways? I also saw the Wii.guide mentioned which it is fucked up that Larsen was trying to insert the wrong discord server on purpose. I don’t think that should be done, but was the guide put on the WiiLink site instead? It also is ironic to mention that I had preferred using wii.guide to Wii.hacks.guide. I didn’t really like wii.hacks.guide because it was operated by the Nintendo HomeBrew people. I was willing to use wiiu.hacks.guide because there was no better guide. Isn’t redirecting users from Wii.guide to wiiu.hacks.guide hypocrisy in the notion of a monopoly existing?
Some recent drama has come out between WiiLink and RiiConnect24 and Karurosu 99, Yoshibyte, and Drip Tarts give their opinions on the matter.
Note: This video is not an attack on anybody including Larsenv or Sketch. We are just giving our opinions as users of both services
Drip Tarts' video on the original drama that happened in January 2023
h...
Oml that was longer than I was expecting it to be
It is also worth mentioning that this discussion isn’t just about me, but it’s also other users that have made comments like @unkempt scroll and @queen pewter
holy shit i am not reading this /s
Thanks for doing this. The other staff members were less willing to look at it again. I can commit to using it in appropriate circumstances but I cannot speak for others.
Honestly I think it was blown way out of proportion, I don't really blame anyone as it was a joint effort from everyone involved but I do think it's unfair how it went down and how it's continued to be dealt with
Well, regardless of opinions regarding the length, grunt was talking about Larsen history so I felt like I had to dive deep into other controversies.
Also agree strongly with this
I’m surprised about your join date btw. How did you find this server?
@unkempt scroll
idfk who nathan is, nathan has never even interacted in this community as far as I can tell, they're running a website that quite frankly I couldn't care less about
I join and rejoin regularly
their name has never been said in the server prior to this thread
so I have zero concern with them
Mostly because I want Updates but I don't like the annoying announcements of stuff like the r shop one
(The way it was worded specifically not so much the warning itself)
I remember this channel and these videos, they're laughable
it would be a disservice to take them as anything more than people commentating over things that they don't quite have knowledge of
none of these people have seen internal operations afaik
I won't fault them though I used to dig deep into drama around this community when I was younger loooool
I haven't quite read/watched whatever he's sent yet, but what does internal operations have to do with any of the drama
when I say internal operations I mean knowing what is actually going on behind the scenes, having access to staff chats
I'm still confused on what that has to do with the topic, though I probably should read/ watch that first i guess
what he sent afaik doesn't have to do with anything besides a shitshow that happened almost a year ago when Larsen decided to fork WiiLink's code and use it in the RC24 Nintendo Channel application
and as for that, what I'm trying to say is that the authors of that video are unreliable narrators
it's nothing against them as people I'm just saying that you should take it for a grain of salt
Though you gotta admit the giant announcement wii link made about that was a major cause of drama
well yes because we felt highly motivated to speak out against it because of the nature of the situation
Also read very much like a we hate L so you should too
There's better ways of going about that though
quick question how long have you been around here
as for any hate larsen has gotten and will continue to get in the future let me put things to rest by saying this
if you've had to deal with his shit as long as people like I have, you would feel motivated to spread the word whenever he comes back in and creates more and more problems for people
he is universally hated by community heads within the Nintendo sphere as far as I know going beyond this place, and by the time that announcement was made that you're referring to, there was no negotiating with a person that had already shown tenfold that he wants things to go his way and his way only
that can be demonstrated by his behavior within the community and outside
treated this place like his own personal server where he could do whatever the hell he wanted
but let me address this
while reusing open source code is not in its nature illegal, you have to put something into perspective
someone may want to correct me on this if I'm wrong because its been a while and I tend to discard this shit out of my mind after a while because I have better things to worry about
but larsen reused a significant amount of code and fixes within our version of the channel at the time to the point where there was literal leftover WiiLink branding within the channel when he deployed the update
the etiquette and behavior in doing this without much concrete attribution for a significant copy of our code was very bad especially considering that RC24's versions of the channel were magnitudes more popular than ours
it was predatory behavior
of course these problems are gone now that larsen is out of the picture, everything is merged, everything is operated by us
I also saw the Wii.guide mentioned which it is fucked up that Larsen was trying to insert the wrong discord server on purpose. I don’t think that should be done, but was the guide put on the WiiLink site instead? It also is ironic to mention that I had preferred using wii.guide to Wii.hacks.guide. I didn’t really like wii.hacks.guide because it was operated by the Nintendo HomeBrew people. I was willing to use wiiu.hacks.guide because there was no better guide. Isn’t redirecting users from Wii.guide to wiiu.hacks.guide hypocrisy in the notion of a monopoly existing?
wii.hacks.guide is operated by Nintendo Homebrew, but it is written by the exact same people that originally maintained wii.guide so I'm not sure where you're finding the differentiation at
obviously the domain is different but that's all
why is wii.guide just a redirect to wii.hacks.guide, because there is absolutely ZERO reason to keep directing people to an outdated source of information (that original guide that iirc you can still access on GitHub has not been updated in several upon several months because all of the maintainers are working on, yes, wii.hacks.guide now)
we are all confident in the changes that we made to the guide, and the entire migration was out of reasoning of larsen being a control freak (as always)
What problems did he create? From my perspective yes he did say some dumb crap and annoy people, but did a ton of good things for the community and ran/ maintained (to my understanding quite well) the rc24 servers etc I haven't heard of/seen the negativity towards him from other communities though I'm not very active elsewhere so my judgement may be biased
Essentially it was his server prior to the merger I still don't really see the harm (if any) he caused by running it, personal drama aside
the bad outweighs the negatives in several ways and you can see that demonstrated from not just me
@daring anvil you mind giving this person a rundown, I think you can do it better justice than me and seem less biased because you moderated this server independently before we took it over
I do agree the way he did that was not okay, but if you think about it, it was only for the betterment of the services** iirc there had always been hostility between wiilink and larsen despite saying the services were a collaboration, I feel it should have been worked on together rather than as if it was a competition would have worked in everyone's favour much more
I'm just gonna say that he got banned from this place while he still ran RC24, from his own community
that should be a good indicator
Yea I remember seeing him banned but nobody gave me a reason to why he was banned other than being a profanity person or the like
wiilink originally came about because of larsen's own stubbornness and mistreatment of the community, also because he refused to work on the japanese channels
wiilink wasn't even the first "competitor" to RC24, that accolade goes to disconnect24
again I don't remember it well but afaik larsen was very hostile towards disconnect24 and pressured them into merging all of their work into RC24, including the signfiicant mail server revamps they did
the services were never a collaboration
The site is not as clean as the old one was and somewhat difficult to navigate in comparison but that's my only complaint on that
wiilink was just filling in the gaps until we moved onto the main channels
at that point it became competitive whether or not we said so
It was for lack of a better word "marketed" as a collaboration for a long time
I understand your viewpoint and your desire for things to have turned out differently
but trust me, would have never happened because of larsen and the other attitudes over here as it pertains to development
by the time we took it over larsen was running a one man show and things had completely stagnated
trust me this is the best possible outcome
I'll be awaiting dark's input on larsen's bullshit
I'll go ahead and throw in the obligatory, larsen sent rule34 to dark as a minor without any notice
that's just one of the things he's done but it tends to be the one that gets people going "wtf"
also obviously the harassment and mistreatment he did to this community in his tenure over it, especially to certain individuals
It's not so much a desire for things to have turned out differently it's moreso a desire for transparency (within reason) as well as less again I don't have a better word but hostility in some of the announcements and such
What is rule 34
porn
I'm going to take your word on it because I don't want to see any proof of that lol
But in saying that, that's kinda what I mean, he has said and done some dumb stuff though this still seems more personal than anything else
at some point it stops being personal and starts being "this guy really isn't suitable to be running this kind of thing" after you've been making the same kinds of mistakes for years on end
showing no signs of progression or maturity even when you're 21
the guy needs to get off the internet, he needs legitimate help
While I agree that still doesn't justify those comments, do you see what I'm saying
what comments
Like this
this isn't even made as a jab to him this is what I have seen first hand
again, wait for dark to give his input on all of this, he'll probably reflect many of my comments
ask any of the other people that have been in this community for as long as I am and they'll most likely do the same
it's unfortunate that a lot of people come in, hear about this guy because he has this mystical fucking aura over the place that won't go away (makes sense because he's been with the service since the start)
but they don't seem to get the full grasp of what he's done
why we've gotten to this point, why he is a pariah now
@fluid lake I know you're not involved in this discussion, but as another longtime community member do you want to give some extra insight as to your experiences with larsen
I just think things like that continue and even add fuel to the drama surrounding him, I mean alot of the members here are easily influenced kids that will read that and make a larsens immature and a bad person parade especially from a moderator
For what it's worth and I may be wrong here I never seen Larson publicly make comments like that here about others
I don't get the full grasp either, but I am essentially an outsider looking in, I see he's done bad things and such and it's fair to condone that but I think it's a little unfair to do this A behind his back and B with personal grievances held
afaik there hasn't been any "drama" surrounding larsen for a while now
unless he's gone and done something else fucking stupid outside the community I have no idea
aw damn i have to read at midnight 😭
He still gets absolutely blasted from "leaking ips" which I haven't actually seen any evidence of
in an official capacity we haven't even mentioned larsen since riishop
at least in terms of the shop
Which while isn't in here directly it's still a direct result of this server
eh he was just kinda weird to me but in similar ways to other people
never privately, always in #general calling me his raccoon or doing weird homer searches or the like
if you're gonna pin anyone then don't pin the server, pin me because I drafted the announcement, I went into the server and did my own research overnight, after that place utterly fucking imploded
as far as the word ban i don't really care either way cause i've never really had to mention his name recently, and if i do anyone i'm talking to already knows who big L is
I'm not one to place blame on people especially for something like that, it was your announcement yes but alot of people from this server have fuelled that fire and absolutely s*** on him
word isn't even banned anymore
So it's really a collective not one person
I am not responsible for the actions of other people nor is the server, and that's generally how things go
and I'll further elaborate even
if someone does decide to go on a campaign against someone else, that may be bannable
depends on the context
Which is why I'm not blaming you
Or pinning
but there is just no way that we can force people to stop going after this guy
he's already made plenty of enemies before we made that announcement
At this point no but it can be lessened in future
huh
check the messages above if you want context
are they asking about larsen?
What problems did [larsen] create? From my perspective yes he did say some dumb crap and annoy people, but did a ton of good things for the community and ran/ maintained (to my understanding quite well) the rc24 servers etc I haven't heard of/seen the negativity towards him from other communities though I'm not very active elsewhere so my judgement may be biased
he was actively holding back the service
It's more a discussion about the changes the stuff surrounding larsen, how things are said etcetc
like he wasn't improving anything because he was too busy worrying about what wiilink was doing
and actively burning bridges with literally everyone in the extended wii community
which reflected on the server as a whole
his stupidity was making everyone else look bad by association
as far as the discord server, this place was not maintained well and wasn't changed for really years, there was a lot of stagnation
he also refused to change at all
obviously after the merge we came in and gave the server a massive overhaul
yeah he just wouldn't hear anyone out
a majority of the changes are things we spent years requesting for
Like what?
like stricter shitposting rules
just more people to help maintain the server
cleaning all the cluttered channels
perms we never had as moderators
because all the admins had retired at that point
it's still kinda cluttered but it's actually useful clutter
also we finally got to undo all the petty bans from larsen
idk how rc24 used to run with like barely 4 or 5 mods
yeah it was a lot less than we anticipated wrong context
kcrpl was too busy to do much at the time
@delicate crescent obligatory @ we still need to fix the ban appeal form
on top of that we had irl obligations
plus come september/october my depression peaked
I don't recall doing that much for the server around then
Is there a log of ban reasons or something?
there is with vortex
yes
a majority of bans by larsen are people that upset him
oh there's not much to hide with these I'll honestly fetch you some of the stupider ban reasons
I gotta see if I can find some
I don't need to see them was just asking if there was
I gurantee if you search up larsen or his id in the logs you will find some relatively quickly
like search up toxic
I miss scooty not active much at all any more 😦
classic
oh this is a set
you know it's good when your ban reason is "being an idiot" and zero elaboration
damn i should have been banned like 3 years ago for that
remember when he kicked nick several times for accidentally pinging him on irc
ahahahahahaha
I assume the document is something that WiiLink24 has actually sent out? If so, I was mainly using the video to look at the document. I couldn't find it outside of the video.
Isn't that fighting fire with fire? I assume when you talk about problems you're referring to the shop. There were allegations made with no evidence presented to me or others. I may have missed you answer Wilder's question, but I don't believe I've seen an answer to this yet.
Yea this was a public announcement type post that has since been deleted, there was also a variation on their twitter/X account
Edit no it hasn't been deleted from twitter/x:
Also highlighting the "we are a collaboration"
I don't think it was but I gave up when screens of random bans were posted felt like nothing I said was actually understood
He should've given credit, but I think in general, it gives a better experience to the user. I don't think Larsen was intrested in making any better changes, but I think he was keen on keeping up with the Wii community. I can see what you're saying though. A lot of small changes does add up. However, when I thought of WiiLink24 2 years ago, I thought of additional cities in forecast channel and Japanese channels. I think WiiLink stood out just as equally as RiiConnect24. I do apricate the WiiLink team + Strimn's work, and I look forward to watching some Kirby episodes soon :)
this is different than the document in the video I provided
They were separate from eachother I believe that document was sent in discord
That is good to know. Sounds silly to say but I guess my main issue was the contribtitors of wiiu.guide.hacks giving a lot of piracy warnings which I found was unnecessary. However, this doesn't really seem as bad as I thought since these aren't really as prevalent as I thought.
But you're sending it in the announcements...
It seemed like he was pretty responsive and mature when I messaged him. I'm not sure if was cause I wasn't a WiiLink staff member. He seemed pretty reasonable in dms. Ofc when I was going deep in something once he asked me to figure it out, but I was understanding about it because I messaged him with the understanding that he gets a lot of DMs from other people. I remember Krcpl used to be responsive to me, but he stopped responding at all. Is this a sign of RiiConnect24/WiiLink's drama?
there is no drama
the shop is done with
larsen is done with
we're just focusing for the future at this point
Well, I guess the stigma.
I sent messages to Kcrpl in July 2023 and January 2024 and he didn't respond to me. This is what I'm referring to.
July 2023 was before the shop drama
I'm just wondering if Kcrpl didn't want to deal with RiiConnect24 during the period of time that the official owner of the server was banned.
At all
Well, I'm the owner
I completely understand. I'm just wondering if Larsen being banned had to do with your response timing? I don't want to dive into personal issues (stress unrelated to this community, school, etc.) because I don't want to be a nosey person. I was just seeing if the Larsen and WiiLink24 drama impacted you responding.
No worries
It's not that it stressed me
I'm just less active here these days because I changed my priorities in life
I don't spend as much time on my PC as before
And if I do, I'm probably playing something with my friends
or alone
Thank you for that clarification. That makes sense.
Yeah so no worries
And me not checking DM's
I just stopped really checking them
and I know I should start doing it again
I stopped ever since they added the new tab for DM requests
back in the days it would just show a notification
and I would always answer
now I just don't check the tab
lol
I assumed that my new messages were going through since I messaged you previously before the feature was added.
That's good to know. It seems like you're still active in other areas of this community but I understand dms not having as much of a priority. I used to mod a lot of Reddit and I would always try to get back to everything but at some point I just gave up and some people are probably not being answered.
Never expected my message to get like, a thousand replies, and also get pinned
yeah but I still don't know
how will the merge affect things
Is PiiConnect61 merging with 3DSLink49 or what's going on
I would have thought it would keep getting pushed up anyways lol
appearently the thread was pinned
I don't remember it being so
3DSConnect69
but hear me out...
piiconnect25
but yeah moving the name to wiilink was the best idea
Honestly
do you know what we could do?
We could bring back the original channels the Wii had when the WiiConnect24 was active
and idk we could call it RiiConnect24 or WiiLink
I think that is a good idea
guys guys hear me out
you know how wiimfi is closed source?
what if wiilink made their own open source alternative?
wait forget that
you guys know how Nintendo showed off some console called the revolution and never talked about it again?
what if WE released it?
under a new name though...
what if we called it the wii
oh wait it's april 2nd now nevermind
I remember when it was WiiLink24 lol
Wow, this got unpinned
F
And right after the op realized that it was pinned lmao
unpinned thread moment 😦
why is this unpinned
we learned how the merge was going to affect things
am i not allowed to :3
try searching for it on your PC lol
so maybe it is by microsoft, maybe you have to download it idk
oh lol
oh lmao
lmao its happening again
this thread is existing again
🫣
gonna lock this thread 
Wiilink RiiConnect24
yes do it
this is clearly necroposting😭
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