NTSC VC on PAL Wii: Classic Controller left stick Polling(?) Issue

[green slate]

Hello all,

I'm encountering a strange issue where, while playing virtual console games on my PAL Wii (all of which are currently NTSC) the left stick will register as in the neutral position for a split second, recurring every couple of seconds. In Super Mario 64, this results in Mario jerking backwards every couple of seconds, and in the Wii Home Menu the cursor will similarly stutter during otherwise completely smooth motion.

The issue does not seem to occur in the system menu, gamecube games or when using WiiWare such as Cave Story. It also does not occur when using a GameCube controller. Swapping wii remotes and classic controllers seems to have no effect.

The WADs were re-installed using YAWM:ME

What could be causing this and is there an easy fix?

Cheers.

[final zephyr]

Try launching them through usbloader GX, and enable force pal video with them

You may also have to adjust language settings

[green slate]

Will do! ...some 9 hours from now, have to work first. Tell ya if it works!

[green slate]

Update: The issue occurs on the PAL version of Super Mario 64 as well. The issues occur whether the wad is launched by the system menu or USB Loader GX. The issues also occur whether the video mode is interlaced or progressive.

At this point I'd assume this to just be a bug baked into the virtual consoles' classic controller support, but I can only find one other mention of the issue through google search: https://www.nintendolife.com/forums/wii/very_bizarre_super_mario_64_vc_bug_when_using_cc_pro

Could you potentially test it? (Only if you have nothing better to do and want to play some Mario 64 :)

[final zephyr]

Are you using 50hz or 60hz?

[green slate]

In the pal version I cannot force pal 480p, so 50hz, in the NTSC version I'm using 60hz.

I'm connected via the mayflash HDMI adapter. I wouldn't have assumed this would cause polling issues as it's just processing an analog stream as it receives it (?) But I'll try with no GameCube memory cards inserted and/or a different cable

[final zephyr]

I think you need to change your Wii to 60hz

[green slate]

The Wii only has three settings: 480i 576i and 480p. It is on the latter.

But thank you!

I don't think this a video issue anyway though

When Mario jerks backwards he's doing the "sudden stop" animation. The actual input's being dropped

[final zephyr]

You’re in the wrong area

[green slate]

Ooh where should I be?

[final zephyr]

I can’t remember what it’s called lol

I am American that’s why

Was it screen type?

Oh

TV type

[green slate]

(sorry for abysmal focus) my TV seems to think I'm running 60hz (and changed accordingly when running pal mario 64)

[final zephyr]

Settings>Screen>TV type

[green slate]

Ja.

That's what I'm changing :P

[final zephyr]

So in the game loader you would force PAL60 when playing the NTSC game

[green slate]

EDTV/HDTV is always 60hz according to this random Reddit post: https://www.reddit.com/r/ps2/comments/9jzedm/480p_60hz_and_50hz_explanation_needed/

[green slate]

Not really an option as I'm playing on a HDTV with somewhat laggy de-interlacing. But will try for troubleshooting purposes!

[final zephyr]

If your tv has a “game mode” enable that

[green slate]

It is on game mode, heh

[final zephyr]

Damn

[green slate]

Makes a big difference for progressive content, not so much for interlaced

Besides, playing Super Mario 64 NTSC causes the TV to correctly switch to 480i and the issue persisteth

[final zephyr]

I don’t know I’m very confused

[green slate]

:(

I'm fairly convinced it's a bug in this particular wad, I just need someone else to say they're experiencing it or its a know bug and I'll rest easy.

Do you have the game and does it do such things?

[final zephyr]

Works fine for me

[green slate]

Darn

Removing sensor bar and GameCube accessories made no difference

Could be something wrong with my console but then why would the issue only present in virtual console games?

[green slate]

I know you're busy but could you please confirm that

A: You can see Mario doing the weird jerking in this video and

B: You do not experience this issue?

[final zephyr]

I see what you mean here

I don’t have that problem while playing

[green slate]

Arrrrrrrrrgh

Thank you

[final zephyr]

You can always try emulating

[green slate]

But I just want it to worrrrrrk

Or at least know why it wonnnnnnnt

[final zephyr]

Usually launching the virtual console title via usbloader GX with force PAL60 on works

[green slate]

Peculiar indeed

[final zephyr]

I think someone had a similar issue a while back on a different server

I don’t think they ever found a fix either

[green slate]

Despair. I have another Wii. Maybe sometime I'll find the time to hack that and test.

[green slate]

I hacked my other wii using wii.hacks.guide instead of wii.guide. Issue still occurs. I'm out of ideas and don't particularly care anymore. At least I can say I tried everything you and I could think of! :)

[final zephyr]

If you care to know the difference, Wii.hacks.guide was forked from Wii.guide in an attempt to keep it unbiased

Wii.guide is owned by riiconnect24 and Wii.hacks.guide is owned by Nintendo homebrew

[green slate]

Is one more biased than the other or do they enforce accuracy through competition?

Very interesting to know

[final zephyr]

The owner of riiconnect24 (who is not on this discord) has a tendency to be more biased towards his own Wiiconnect24 revival

[green slate]

Ah, I see. Cheeky.

[final zephyr]

He’s also, uh, not very liked

[green slate]

Also unfortunate. I feel I'd better not inquire further for peace of mind. I will say I did notice a lot of riiconnect stuff I wasn't especially interested in

on wii.guide

[green slate]

Today the problem seems to be significantly reduced or absent. I have no idea what happened.