#Pole nerf

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compact musk
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Ive been test/looking at the pole nerfs personally i dont think they need that nerf. There’s going to be so many ships that need reworking in the campaign.
Its not like theyre op either, i also think diversity in our armour is needed as to not make the game stale.

hard matrix
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test
Im interested in the maths

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Edit: (message removed since Sean has spoken below)

lean heart
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  1. They have a RNG element that is really not great for game balance.
  2. I do not like them being plastered everywhere as a replacement for blocks that should be being used. It's not even an option, it is someone shouting loud or someone on youtube saying its good when its not. Literal noob trap.
    3) They will not be getting the hp nerfs but will lose their RNG.
  3. I don't see how anyone can say a pole has a place in a (non-smol) armour scheme, the same people that shout about accurate physics simulation and bla bla. Well you don't see ships going about with interior pole armour do you?
  4. Those campaign ships should never had had poles. People involved were specifically told not to. That's on them. Diddums.
  5. Please don't be quoting me as I am leaving this to luxon to deal with really.
hard matrix
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(can we at least forward this message whenever someone asks the same FAQ?)

lean heart
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Patch notes will be out in a mo

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for a new update

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well within the hour

vestal bear
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I've seen other people mention that irl armor doesn't use poles, and I don't have a side on the pole debate, but I'd like to point out that irl composite tank armor does have ceramic spheres embedded in it that act similarly to poles

signal storm
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we need the people who do those bullet simulation videos to do bullet penetration tests on 1m slopes vs 1m beams

compact musk
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so not much but theyre no longer air gaps

vestal bear
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I believe they're still air gaps, they just won't provide any kinetic damage reduction

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there's not supposed to be a reason to use them after the change

dim seal
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the balls are just part of that process of breaking the projectile through several different things piercing it at once

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since the balls shatter

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iirc, this is referred to as NERA(non explosive reactive armor)

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the M1 Abrams uses this if I'm not mistaken

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though the closest equivalent to this in FTD would be using ERA, not really poles

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well, more like ERA if it worked on kinetics

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properly

compact musk
vestal bear
haughty python
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The real use was airgapping thin armor without totally trashing density.

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But if you put flat blocks over it so it looks normal HESH bypasses it sometimes.

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So I avoid it anyways because I don't want a Michelin Man-looking build.

hollow veldt
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what the fuck??? poles aren't airgaps anymore???

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how does one defend against heat then

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aside from beam slopes

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what reason was there for this nerf?????

vestal bear
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they still are

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they just don't provide an angle for kinetic damage

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and yes, you should be using beam slopes

hallow dragon
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It seems extremely weird that nerfing a niche alternative armor scheme is getting hit with this kind of nerf bat. Most games would prefer to have any kind of variety in construction of armor. Choosing a "right" way and making that the only way kills variety and experimentation, something that should be cultivated.

1: RNG at the cost of reliability seems like a pretty normal trade.
2: A dev personally not liking something or the people doing something is a poor reason for a balance change. Unless we're going to start finding ways to nerf every piece of reddit armor, this reeks.
The rest isn't my ken.

lean heart
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Pole vs cube.
cube = 8 verts x 10000 blocks = 80,000 verts
pole = 32 verts x 10000 blocks = 320,000 verts

You can see why this quickly runs away and should absolutely not be encouraged as part of a regular scheme.
"A dev personally not liking something" - Dev develops game and makes decisions based on the overall health of the game and its performance... imagine.
Luxon has found a reasonable middle ground which makes it fine for a small build but not as part of a larger armour scheme.
Wait now before throwing in any more half arsed comments thanks.

minor flame
high yew
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It's probably more just a case of volume of them

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You use a lot less weapon pieces like plasma or rail then you do poles in armour

lean heart
minor flame
hollow veldt