first attempt at some symphonic style stuff. any thoughts on how to improve this?

[wild forge]

I fear the sidestick rhythm might give this song more of a jazz vibe. still any thoughts?

[brazen orchid]

doesn't really have that jazz vibe but sounds cool. for old school jazz vibe, you don't generally use kick/low pitched drums and the sort and leave those pitches for bassist, or coordinate it with the bassist to play the same rhythm

if you want to make this jazzier, i guess use more cymbals/bells and snare/shaker/etc

it's quite clean, the arrangement isn't very complicated. this is nice

[wild forge]

I’m trying to go for symphonic vibes

There are three tonal articulations in the track

I wanted another one to juxtapose with the arpeggios but I saw that it kinda made things muddy so I kept it as three

The arpeggios follow the basic bassline

And the bassline is based off the melody

The bass drum is more used as emphasis

[peak scaffold]

I like it and I don't really see it as a jazz thing.

[wild forge]

Cool

[peak scaffold]

I am personally not so sure about the echos for the rythmics towards the end.

[wild forge]

Also this made me realize I need more rolls

[brazen orchid]

i think more of a beat would help a lot also. it's quite confusing with the rhythm (i can't tell where we are on the measure), but feels like that's what you're going for

[wild forge]

I think adding a beat to it would ruin the type of sound I’m going for

This isn’t dance music

[peak scaffold]

I feel like the echo stuff also makes the rythm a lot more confusing... muddy.

[wild forge]

Any more tips for hitting that orchestral symphonic vibe composition wise?

I’ll see about recomposing the timpanis and bass drums since they were copy pasted from the main tonal tracks

[brazen orchid]

i'd say you could see what happens when you play the third on another instrument

[wild forge]

Ooh

That’s another articulation

[brazen orchid]

now you have to worry about the chord progression 😄

[wild forge]

Hmm

Any more articulation ideas?

[wild forge]

Did it and found the third doesn’t work

Only octaves work

Having an interval other than that makes the bass muddy which I don’t like

[brazen orchid]

fifths should also

[wild forge]

The song has a weird tonality man

[wild forge]

Might try that since fifths work independently

[brazen orchid]

fifths and octaves always work. thirds only if you know if it's going to be major or minor

[wild forge]

I tried both

They make things kinda muddier

Even with a minor third

[brazen orchid]

above, right?

the note played in the melody may not be the root note of current chord, and also if you're playing it a third below the note you're not actually playing the third of the chord. rather you're playing the sixth or 13th

[wild forge]

Huh im playing it above

Oh well

Fifths and octaves are reliable

I might mess around with the bassline more later

[tight laurel]

I think based on the vibe you're going for, at least some percussion could use reverb

[wild forge]

another draft

this is shaping up to be quite good

[wild forge]

Any thoughts?

[wild forge]

Anyone?

[tight laurel]

I’ll keep this pinned for when i can listen tomorrow. Sounded good from what i can remember ✌️

[wild forge]

What did you think?

It’s been a while

[tight laurel]

I'm so sorry, i forgot!! My headphones are broken so I'm listening on mediocre speakers, but it sounds very nice 😊

I think the pause at 2:00 is slightly too abrupt

[wild forge]

Huh

Anything else?

[wild forge]

Does it hit the symphonic vibe for you?

That’s my aim