code-talk

[umbral mulch]

I hate linear algebra and I also hate matlab

[mossy pelican]

but you know matlab

[umbral mulch]

at what cost

[mossy pelican]

pain

[lunar cobalt]

vectorizing is hard - Illustrator can do up to 20 different colors with it's image trace functionality, but it's kind of fucky. If the contour map created a ton of separate layers I could grab, that might work though.

[mossy pelican]

my idea was to create a vector contour map with a script that doesnt countour the borders of the image so that when putting all vector contour maps together the borders are all the same

[long raft]

its probably not complicated linear algebra

[mossy pelican]

would have to cut all the images to the hexagon shape

i think derp got the correct offset and stuff figured out already, right?

[long raft]

i dont

most im worried about normalizing the height

[mossy pelican]

if you can center all maps to their correct position and crop them to hexagon shapes you can write a script that doesn't contour the borders of the hexagon

[long raft]

but you will get slopes at the borders because the regions are not the same height scaling

so youll be adding topography that doesnt exist

oof i could use lower quality

epic embed fail oof

in summary, if you sample a point in the middle of each border, that point multiplied by some factor (for each region) and a constant should equal the point on the adjacent region's border, with it's own factor and offset

[mossy pelican]

here is an example of what i mean: with border of image contour

[long raft]

put it into a big system and solve for the offsets and scale for each region...

[mossy pelican]

without

i didn't use a contour script but hopefully you get the idea of what i mean

make a vector contour but dont draw the edges

[long raft]

right but ... the heights will be different on adjacent regions

is versace still gone? like he has the math skills to do this and also it would benefit his arti calculator

he probably wouldnt share with us the solution ... hes all closed source and whatnot

[velvet stratus]

If the maps are individually authored, do we have a guarantee it's even possible to line the borders up without distortions? Eg is it necesarily true that in your image (see below)

[pure sierra]

adjusting gamma works

[velvet stratus]

SOrry, wrong formula above; meant A4-A3 + C2-C1 = B5-B6; or the weaker statement, if A4>A3 and C2>C1 then B5 must be > B6 otherwise the "correct" scaling would be negative

[sonic mulch]

warden

s

charge

[pure sierra]

@long raft have you got the tiles masked to hex individually to share?

[long raft]

nah theyre done dynamically in the code

i suppose i could set up a batch...

woudl take a while

[pure sierra]

never mind

[long raft]

let me make slight adjustment and see

yes I can do it

i can put the hex on it, but they are not cropped to size

they should be center cropped to 2194x1900

not gonna lie they seem off a bit tho...

i wonder if 45% is really the magic number

nope. definitely not.

[long raft]

look how close this one is when cropped to 2150x1862

[pure sierra]

doesnt seem to be any gaps which is good

[long raft]

a few slim ones

maybe its still off by 2 pixels

im starting to think each pixel represents 1 meter

maybe its half a meter...

[graceful sable]

oh i thought this was for intel lol

[tardy rover]

@fringe night

[olive hamlet]

@pure sierra is foxhole stats down? Timing out for me

[pure sierra]

Lmc

[olive hamlet]

It's back now, but a tad slow

Instance refresh or smth? 😄

[pure sierra]

its my apache maxed out again

[olive hamlet]

Ah rip

[pure sierra]

over the week, my apache servers seems to be capping out at about 450 instead of the limit i think is set of 1000

[pure sierra]

made some changes to hopefully stop this happening again.

[olive hamlet]

Is there anything you can't do with WarAPI? I was wondering if we could store the data from it, then do some analysis on like "the person who holds this hex after 5 days wins 75% of the time" or smth like that

But idk if that goes against the spirit of it 😄

[barren quarry]

The game balance drastically changes every 2 months

[olive hamlet]

Yeah, it would obviously only work current update

[mossy pelican]

maybe after 1.0 when balance is more "stable"

[pure sierra]

that sort of thing though maybe questionable in accuracy would totally be in spirit of api, not that im saying you should bother doing it 🙂

[olive hamlet]

Thanks, that's good to know ^^

Yeah I think we would have to hope the Devs released something extra at the end of the war for it to be any use

Like a set of data not exposed in the API

[pure sierra]

yeah it had always been hoped thhey would release more sensitive stats post war but they neven have

[olive hamlet]

Things like scrap rates would be really good

Yeah

[orchid nexus]

@pure sierra considered using Nginx rather than Apache? Unless there is something specific within Apache that your system is relying upon?

From experience, Nginx is better at handling higher volumes of requests per second. From a basic low level VPS, I've seen Nginx handle 250K requests per second, vs 500-600/RPS with Apache2.

[pure sierra]

yeah ive run nginx b4 when i had a very small vps and it did make a difference, currently on apache as thats the default with virtualmin and is best supported easiest to use and find help for

[orchid nexus]

Fair enough

[pure sierra]

resources arent maxed out so far, it was mainly a bug i believe with apache threads getting stuck during restart after x serves, so i changed it to not kill them after x servers as not needed unless you have memory leak problems which i dont believe i do

ive also been putting some of my backend data processes on nice to give priority to front end

and just working on some more munin plugins to help me monitor and diagnose what my usage is doing

[orchid nexus]

I could imagine splitting the backend (API requests, pre-processing, database) on a separate VPS, and front-end on another, both within the same VLAN. Easier said than done though!

[pure sierra]

sure, or just upgrade the vps or look at optimizing

or offload some parts to aws or whatever

[orchid nexus]

Anyway - love the site. Great use of the Foxhole API. Good luck with it.

[pure sierra]

thansks

[orchid nexus]

I do a lot of work with server architecture so if you need a hand or whatever give me a shout.

[pure sierra]

good, im not thaat experienced so can always use some help

[orchid nexus]

I'm always up for a project but i'll leave it in your hands. If you fancy having a chat about upgrading/optimizing just drop me a DM. Could get my guys to spin up a few throwaway VPS to play with.

[pure sierra]

im just installing https://gallery.munin-monitoring.org/plugins/munin-contrib/cpu-usage-by-process/ so i can zero in on what my biggest hogs are

[orchid nexus]

What's your stack?

Guessing a mix of JS, PHP, and... MySQL maybe?

[pure sierra]

(you can see my apache processors werent being released and dwindling)

php mainly, with mysql storage, than node for sse live updates and python for voronoi control map generation

thats just the backend

im only on a 2 core system

[orchid nexus]

memory?

Actually, starting to talk sensitive info here now. Switch to DM.

[pure sierra]

nah its fine

3gb

[orchid nexus]

What's your mpm_prefork_module look like? MaxRequestsPerChild mainly.

[pure sierra]

i did just recently (1-2 months) switch to mpm from fcgi on @long raft suggestion and that helped alot

[orchid nexus]

Gut feeling it's down to PHP and it's memory management.

[pure sierra]

<IfModule mpm_worker_module>
ServerLimit 700
StartServers       10
MinSpareThreads    50
MaxSpareThreads    100
    ThreadLimit             64
    ThreadsPerChild         64
    MaxRequestWorkers      700
    MaxConnectionsPerChild   0
</IfModule>

[orchid nexus]

hmmm

You running on Linux or Windows?

hosting'

[pure sierra]

linux debian of course

[orchid nexus]

goood goood

I'll have a think. Got to shoot now for a few hours.

[pure sierra]

np

[long raft]

What version of php, @pure sierra

[pure sierra]

@long raft 7.0.33

[long raft]

have you dont a profile on a standard page request? i feel like its a database throttle its always the database

or some analysis from the access log of which requests took longest?

[pure sierra]

so yeah i would look into this if/when i do a look at optimization,

i got these 2 plugins going

derp time: i start typing my response in ssh

the first one states

# It's not obvious what the graph heights actually mean, even to me.
# Each counter is a DERIVE (difference since the last counter reading)
# of the CPU time usage (in seconds) accounted to each process, summed
# by the process name, so all Apache and all MySQL processes are grouped
# together. Processes with no CPU usage at all are ignored. Processes
# that die may not appear on the graph, and anyway their last chunk of
# CPU usage before they died is lost. You could modify this plugin to
# read SAR/psacct records if you care about that.

[lunar cobalt]

I want to throw a brick at that formatting

[pure sierra]

the thing to do would be profile the website measuring time between all the different steps of it

perl

[lunar cobalt]

took me a moment to realize it was one sentence not bullet points

[long raft]

ive had to delete git stash save from discord so many times

yea hayden i mean ... a line-by-line profile of your code, not the processes, thats too granular

[pure sierra]

actully the top one and even munin are kind of useless to me in my needs, as munin only runs every 5? minutes, and my backend processes only run for a minute or two and finish go away

[long raft]

i would assume php-fpm would be your #1 process or your database

but then inside the php code to find where it spends the most time, even if its not churning CPU, its occupying a worker, and thus killing availability

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/21133/simplest-way-to-profile-a-php-script

[pure sierra]

yes ive done that b4

[long raft]

i have done profiling with xdebug before, and it was very useful

but you may find the #1 longest line in your code is a database query, and that'd help you narrow down the real bottleneck

[pure sierra]

yes, some day ill go through it, but im currently not at my resource limit so wont bother, and as soon as shard2 hurry up and dies ill have half the backend processing to do

[long raft]

lol

also those php versions jump in performance a lot even with minor versions

like 7.4 should have significant gains over 7.0, but maybe php aint your bottleneck

[pure sierra]

one of my biggest spike in load as i watch top is actually my python script to generate the voronoi control map

[long raft]

yea i bet

you cuold probably make the client do it if you were mean

[pure sierra]

it uses 100% cpu for about 10 seconds every minute

[long raft]

wow thats often

just for voronoi? 10 seconds? wow.

[pure sierra]

maybe 5 sec

its not just voronoi calc though, its query db, process data, calc voronoi, output images

[long raft]

sounds ... slow, tho

what resolution is it?

[pure sierra]

im outputting at 1200x1300

now could possibly half that and stretch and not have any issue due to not much detail

[long raft]

i find myself wondering would generating the voronoi as vectors into svg directly, and using that, would it be faster and maybe even smaller

[pure sierra]

once again, i would need to profile that script to see what steps are taking up what time

[lunar cobalt]

Expect shard 2 to be a thing that doesn't go away.

[pure sierra]

i know

[long raft]

is there any way in the api to enumerate the shards?

or do you just have to know and guess?

[lunar cobalt]

I think it's going to be war-service-live

and war-service-live-3

so I guess you could just put a code string in to check every once and a while if one of those is live? Or just do it manually when they announce something?

It'd be cool if there was like a meta endpoint that they sent stuff like that out on though

[long raft]

i want to avoid like 3 separate hard coded queries

[lunar cobalt]

(only 3?)

We already have 3

Including devbranch

[long raft]

right

it would be nice if that wasnt the deal

[worn maple]

Java = trash

slowly walks out

[lunar cobalt]

minecraft runs on java

so you're wrong

[worn maple]

Actually Its dually Java and c++

[lunar cobalt]

we don't talk about bedrock edition

[worn maple]

I mean java edition

Its both java and c++

Why do you think its so ""easy"" to make a server compatible between java and bedrock editions?

[lunar cobalt]

As far as I know Java edition is written in Java and uses LWJGL for graphics

Including the server code.

[worn maple]

As far as I know, they also theoretically used C++ on the game

I'm not 100% sure since I do not own nor see the Src Code tho

[lunar cobalt]

Bedrock edition, which has a version for xbox, windows, and a bunch of other things, is written in C++

For java edition it's literally in the name

[worn maple]

Ye bedrock is fully c++ writen

For java edition It has duality

[lunar cobalt]

where are you getting this?

[worn maple]

Not because something is made on a language Its only made on that language

You can see any GitHub project

Not because my web is done on php doesn't mean I cant use js, XML or html

Not because Minecraft is "java edition" means they only used java when with using a simple plugin you can translate the entire Game to c++ and make servers compatible between editions

(that's my point of view)

[lunar cobalt]

it's called java edition because it's completely written in java, including a java graphics library

[worn maple]

🤷‍♂️

(yes, I use blu shirted Guy Cuz of warden color)

[mossy pelican]

I mean... java isnt trash but it isnt the best

Its kind of chaotic

C++ is way better imo specially for games

As well as C#

[long raft]

why would you convert java to c++

[mossy pelican]

Because java isnt good enough? 😛

Thats why they made bedrock edition in c++ instead of java afaik

[long raft]

but they had to rewrite it from scratch not just convert it

[worn maple]

C++ just rans faster and consumes way less resources

[long raft]

oh god another one of these

[worn maple]

Why do you think bedrock users can play the same game even on a smartphone?

[worn maple]

I actually prefer java

We're just talking about the technical part

[long raft]

i mean ... people who just think java is inherently slower and uses more resources

not because it was ...rewritten

and because the c++ is doing a lot less work

[worn maple]

I'm a SysAdmin, I can assure you Java consumes a lot of RAM and generates a lot of fragmented trash

Just by trash you can be losing entire GB of ram

But anyways, Minecraft java edition as a Game is for me Better than bedrock edition

I'm just honest in whats more optimized

[pure sierra]

Wild Allen? Has entered the room... 😋

My understanding was it was written in Java initially as it was a entry level project and that's what the guy knew...

[long raft]

definitely not performance minded programmers, but i hate the idea that c++ is inherently faster when its just not doing any of the modern security and stability work that modern languages are

[cerulean urchin]

I always have to consider the context of the project requirements in terms of the x language is better than y argument. On their own each are a solid language, but one could be more desirable for the needed solution.

Especially if we start throwing in business / project management requirements lmao

[brittle grove]

I've avoided java like the plague, haven't really found much that needs a language other than json/xml/sql, python or powershell. Only exception is game specific languages like sqf for Arma 3. I'm no code pro, but more or less seems to me it's just a matter of use what you know unless theres a specific use case

[orchid nexus]

Just rewrite everything in assembly.

declare those memory spaces 👌

[worn maple]

Honestly I just hate java because of how worse It is to Code with and how many resources It eat by doing virtually nothing

Python > Java

[flint basin]

+1

[devout ivy]

Also got to consider that bad C++ can also be slower than good python

And taken purely at face value, python is slow, about as slow as it gets

But not all code needs to be fast either

Python on paper is slower even than java which itself on paper is slower than C++, and has a huge hampering for high performance computing from the GIL preventing true multithreading (even if using the thread module in python, all your code is running single threaded). But many times python will both be fast enough and also quicker/easier to write and debug

The dev cycle can be shorter, which itself can be hugely important

if I just want a quick thing to copy files from a build output folder to an artifacts server, sure, I can write it in C++ and it might shave a few milliseconds off of the execution time, but also probably take a lot longer to write than just a shell script that also gets the job done more than satisfactorily

[devout ivy]

genuinely has nothing to do with the programming language in use as all multiplayer games will usually serialise game state over the network in an agnostic manner

[barren quarry]

Multiprocessing library exists

[languid harness]

I have used multiprocess libraries for Python?

[devout ivy]

I am familiar with it, it's not a multithreading library though. It cheats and makes new sub processes

Processes are not threads

[languid harness]

welp

tbh, anything I use python for runs so fast that the split second I win using C++ is not worth the effort lol

[devout ivy]

Threads importantly share memory space

processes are discrete applications and get their own memory space

In a threaded environment, I can essentially share variables/state between threads (there are some things to keep in mind while doing so). Processes can not

There have been many attempts over the years to remove the global interpreter lock from python though, which in turn will actually allow true threading in python. Also some non standard python implementations like IronPython do not suffer from the GIL in the first place

[devout ivy]

I think thats something crucial to always keep in mind. What is satisfactory. And someone else above mentioned that there can be other business decisions impacting selection of a technology.

In notches case. Minecraft was made in java because it was a hobby project and he wanted to screw around with java. That it exploded in popularity? Win win for him. That minecraft is so dog slow in java? A lot of that isnt actually javas fault, a lot of it is plain bad code

Mojang have put in a lot of effort to getting it in a better state. Bedrock being so much faster? Thats mostly what happens when you get professional software engineers to do a clean room implementation, they just happened to choose C (not C++ initially)

Their reason for using C wasnt even a performance thing but portability. Java is not available on mobile platforms (contrary to popular belief, android is not using a java runtime and has never been a java compiler or runtime). Initially they needed to support both android and iOS. The only technical solution that met that requirement at the time was to put all game logic into a C library, then have android/iOS apps wrap that library (and at that time, you could not use C++ in iOS, hence the choice of C - which was allowed)

[languid harness]

Well yeah I am aware of advantages of C-languages. But the fact is, is that code I make are often for table operations or file conversions, so they take less than a second in python. I bet they are faster in C++, but why bother?

As an engineer, you always have to make a choice between optimizing and resources available

regardless if that is computer, mechanical, electrical, industrial, or anything else for that matter

And for me, it has always proven to be the most effective to work in python, since I do not have to make complex (realtime running) programs or code that is solid enough for potential years of repeated use

Anything more complex than what can efficiently be done in python, I have another program for already 😆

[orchid nexus]

For us it's python for prototyping/proof-of-concept, but commercial product gets written in C or C++ depending on the use-case. We general develop embedded devices in the cybersec industry, so writing our own drivers and minimizing 3rd party library dependencies is key.

But that's mainly driven by engaging with some super low-level layers - serial, ttl, CANBus - heavily bridging the gap between hardware and OS

[devout ivy]

Dayjob for me is C# with a C++ DSP helper library and also a driver for a USB device which of course is C++ also.

I get the fun task of a lot of the build infrastructure maintenance too, thats mostly just powershell and bash scripts (both are in there depending on whether the script relates to the windows, linux or mac builds, though I would like to move everything into powershell-core if just for consistency)

[jovial lake]

i mean each language has a use case, and you pick what language you need for what use case

(obv rust > c++ any day 😛 )

[long raft]

but its not like really smart people just couldnt make these languages as fast. they are doing more work than c++ programs, necessary work

[jovial lake]

well yeah most abstract above c++/c/asm/whatever to handle stuff like memory management, inference ect.

idk about necessary, c++ can do anything any other language can do

again its about use case

[long raft]

but it doesnt... and neither do the coders

and we have to just hope theyre all kernel programmers who dont make mistakes

[jovial lake]

thats the point of c++... its a low level programming language that trusts the programmer to not make mistakes

[long raft]

ya know like ... good luck doing buffer overrun checks on everything, or building async code

[jovial lake]

again bro use case, sure c++ is a pain in the ass but the usacase is for low level programs that need to be fast

[brittle pivot]

I write PHP because I hate myself

[jovial lake]

php is

yeah

its php

lol

[brittle pivot]

yeah

become a back-end web dev they said

it'll be fun they said

lies

[jovial lake]

imagine not using rust for backed in 2021 smh smh /s

[brittle pivot]

lmaooo

pretty good with Lara

but again it's a php framework

based of symfony

[long raft]

people are using rust for web backend?

[brittle pivot]

idk are they

first time i heard of it was about

a minute ago

[orchid nexus]

I know of a firm that ported their entire blockchain engine from C++ over to golang simply because it was the hot new language. Burned through almost 7 months of two senior dev time and they shaved something like 2.7% off the time taken to do an initial blockchain sync.

That whole sector just chases buzzwords for the sake of buzzwords

[long raft]

its a lot easier to maintain go than c++ tho

i would not have expected any performance boost

[vale citrus]

Is it possible to have a discord bot that announces when a dev talks in #foxhole-discussion, maybe rebroadcast anything said?

Or would that require the bot to live on FOD?

[long raft]

someone at fod would have to give you permissions to load a bot, unlikely

or you could run a client-side bot which is against discord TOS

and moderation would probably ban it if they saw it

[cerulean urchin]

Could you call the GET /api/channel/messages endpoint and provide the auth header of your account, or does that fall under a client-side bot, pretty sure it would?

[pure sierra]

yes you could run a scraper bot as i have and they would never notice

[cerulean urchin]

Going back to my previous statement, the API endpoint used to "search channel from user" from the search bar would probably be your best bet since it does the filtering of messages for you

[jovial lake]

is there a foxhole api

[pure sierra]

yes

basic one though

https://github.com/clapfoot/warapi/

[lunar cobalt]

If you are doing anything with API endpoints through a non-bot marked account you are breaking TOS

[rich prairie]

"non-bot marked account" i don't see any authorization/authentication in war API, nor is any link to TOS provided in repository.

[barren quarry]

he's talking about discord

discord staff will tear off your ballsack if you use user discord token for running scripts

[floral birch]

hey im researching something about design, master software eng here 😎

anyone has any experience with Bidirectionality aka making the UI go from right to left (arabic, hebrew speaking countries)

ive asked a few ppl from those countries they said the apps they use are all standard left to right

[long raft]

i have done some of that before

was pretty straight forward, left align switched to right align, and the fonts themselves already render in reverse

[floral birch]

did it to practice, but like it might be straight forward in a small product where in a bigger one it might take resources away (time, manpower, money)

not sure how common it is still trying to ask ppl that live there. I guess if you are a small company and your userbase is mostly from there then it would be justified, or if you big *khmm google

[pure sierra]

so i just had this exact thing happen to me, wanted to recursively get video codec for files

started off with bash find and xargs example which worked by itself

but then when i start to expand it, like i wanted it to echo the file/path name as well as the output from mediainfo command

well

after about an hour or 2 of googling and trying different ideas gave up, install python on the nas wrote the script from scratch in about 10 mins and its running

this has happened b4 , but i thought its so close, im committed just try a few more variants of bash scripts but poo

[long raft]

mmm bash scripting ... yes... hmm ...

always unpleasant

i feel like ive been through the crucible on it tho now, i feel like i can do almost anything in bash now

[pure sierra]

Today I picked up a desktop computer while running and put it back down and it broke it

Just beeps no post

Tried unplugging everything including hdd, still nothing, turned out ram in out fixed it

Must have been the flex in the case

[dawn cradle]

Wtf did you do

[long raft]

sloppy ram

[lunar cobalt]

is the MB giving you a post code?

[pure sierra]

@barren quarry i was just comparing your site as i something is up with victory towns either on my site or the api. but i noticed you show ownership of the rocket sites. afaik this is not accurate as it only applies to the original team that claims it, if another team comes along and does the rocket thing stuff there the ownership in api doesnt change unless they fixed it.

[barren quarry]

What ingame event corresponds to team id change?

[pure sierra]

it doesnt happen with a rocket site

only once

[barren quarry]

You haven't answered the question

[pure sierra]

you mean for a rocket site ?

[barren quarry]

Yes

[pure sierra]

im not sure, maybe the initial start of construction, best ask someone else, but all i know is it never changes if another team takes over, now also not sure if they can inherit a partially constructed rocket, or have to destroy it and start again, but the teamid does not change

[barren quarry]

Interesting

[pure sierra]

https://github.com/clapfoot/warapi/issues/51

maybe im wrong and misinterpretted

more investigation is needed some day

ive never done anything rocket related so ....

all i remember is this screenshot i took, and thinking it couldnt be right that a blue warden rocket is just left alone deep in enemy territory

[pure sierra]

still getting all the junk

[stone acorn]

Does anyone have a list of the Map Icon numbers that match up with the names of the icons in warapi/Images/MapIcons?
https://github.com/clapfoot/warapi#map-icons
https://github.com/clapfoot/warapi/tree/master/Images/MapIcons

[heady zenith]

JavaScript is not a programming language, it’s a troubleshooting simulator

[jovial lake]

lol

java script is pain

especially when not on the web

[violet shoal]

use typescript instead and a lot of pain points are gone

if possible of course

[pure sierra]

32 victory points (all them) required to win, has this been done before ? (all required) nukes the enemy back line would be the only way i could see the ability to do this, but how to pull this off when its their back line....

[barren quarry]

4th graders have better math skills

whats 10 + 27?

thats if you meant that there are 32 vps on the map in total

if you meant something else then nvm

[long raft]

you dont need all VPs to win, only a subset of them

so i assume there are 37 total and you need 32 to win

[pure sierra]

nvm

maths is for computers

[violet shoal]

😁

[stone void]

Help, I found out the company I work for codes in JavaScript on Note++

[olive hamlet]

As in they force everyone to use NP++?

And don't let people choose?

[pure sierra]

I do all my coding in notepad 2

[olive hamlet]

What do we do with reporting foxhole official website bugs? The OGP embed for https://www.foxholegame.com/ is out of date 😄

[summer bobcat]

Perhaps here? https://www.foxholegame.com/feedback

[olive hamlet]

Ah great thanks!

[neat fossil]

...you know we do some weird things just to get around the fact that there's no way to get reserve stockpile contents from the api

the number one thing i want for foxhole is just a way to be able to generate a key for each of my reserve stockpiles and then be able to get data from the API about those stockpiles

preferably before i'm forced to have to make a program to scan through a screenshot of someone's mouse hovering over a stockpile on the map

or find someone else's

because that kind of thing is just cursed

[lunar cobalt]

I really doubt that type of data will be exposed

[pure sierra]

I actually think it could work like you say where there are extra data available with key access.

But the small scale application of it makes me think it's unlikely to be done

[safe mist]

I would like the API to give us information about the player (name, level, commends received, rank, time in war, faction, regiement, ...). Is it possible?

[stone acorn]

Currently possible, no. Technically possible, sure, but very unlikely to ever happen. API is very low on Devs priority list, dont expect too much

[neat fossil]

Is there any way to show the death counts for entire the war, on the entire map?

Like on the player screen.

[neat fossil]

you'd be surprised - i know a lot of people (and, in fact, regiments) who really want to be able to view all of their stockpiles and filter them and use the info to plan out factory orders and what to push to forward stockpiles - and the effort they've gone to do that anyways, even without being able to get it easily from the api

[olive hamlet]

I mean in theory, you just add them all together right?

[neat fossil]

also https://foxholestats.com/ shows all the death information, it's near the top

and they also split it up by map

[neat fossil]

Sure, that's pretty easy. Hoping I wouldn't have to do that though.

i'm also pretty sure it's made by the guy i was just talking too

[olive hamlet]

You mean the guy with "foxholestats.com" in his name? 😄

What gave it away

[neat fossil]

idk

something about his voice

there's also a couple other things that do the same thing, for example https://sigilhq.com/stats/ is a very similar thing made as part of the colonial website sigilhq, but it's public

[lunar cobalt]

that's another one I don't really expect to happen - because it would allow you to tell who was playing on what side etc. That was previously an issue with Rich Presence, and is why the game has all the files and code needed to turn it on, but it isn't.

[safe mist]

I have an idea for a tool, but for that I need to have the regiment and the faction of the player 🙂

[lunar cobalt]

If it's really something you want, maybe make a request on github. I'm just a discord mod, it's not something I have control over.

[safe mist]

What a github ?

[lunar cobalt]

https://github.com/clapfoot/warapi

it's in the top pinned message of the channel

[cedar patrol]

I was hoping yall could help me with a question about siegecampd policy on 3rd party apps thay serms relavent to some of the recent convos in here. I would like to start work on an image recognition stockpile project. But i don't want to start gathering all the images I'd need and everything just to have the program get blacklisted or something, are they generally pretty friendly with this kind of thing?

[languid harness]

What do you intend to make? @cedar patrol

[cedar patrol]

I want to make a program that essentially totals stockpile counts and exports that data to a viewable database. I want it to be something you run in the background while you play and when you open a stockpile you press a button and using image recognition it will log where and what is in that stockpile and in the future update a website or spreadsheet with that info for clans. Ideally you wouldn't even need to press a button but idk how resource intensive that would be yet. I don't want it to control anything in the game, (except maybe to auto scroll the window to see everything but I'd like to avoid that as automatic movements in a game of any type are suspect). The main goal is to alleviate part of the burden put upon logi players to keep inventory and ideally down the line incorporate things like stockpile totals and suggestions for what to produce and where to put it.

End goal is have multiple logi people running said program in your clan, and hopefully have an accurate and up to date count on almost all of your clans stockpiles at all times as long someone has been to it recently.

Other features could include stockpile timers etc though I imagine just getting the program to recognize all the individual items will be a bulk of the workload.

[jovial lake]

sounds like automation

which sounds like a unfair advantage :p

[languid harness]

Something in my says that is illegal

I'd recommend checking the TOS

[cedar patrol]

Thats kinda why I figured it'd be ok, i could do it manually by taking screenshots and what not already, just wanted to eliminate time sync that already exists for logi

[pure sierra]

Just do it, but only make a yeah demo

[cedar patrol]

Pretty nuch the plan, just don't wanna get banned for testing

[cedar patrol]

oof already running into problems I hadn't considered, might be a bit of work to get it to recognize where the stockpiles are located, I had assumed it was in the inventory window somewhere for some reason

[long raft]

i was wondering that yesterday, but thought you might just use it for a single stockpile

[cedar patrol]

Eh I'm using a single stockpile for the coding infrastructure and a proof of concept so to speak, but I was sure it would say like "Therizo Seaport" at the top for some reason, I should be able to use an image of the townhall as a marker for location but tying that to the stockpile itself might get tricky when the map shows multiple town halls

I wasn't aware you could use tab to switch between private stockpiles on the map until this morning so I've since switched to trying to use that instead of the actual stockpile inventory

to hopefully allow you to quickly update all stockpiles from the map

[cedar patrol]

Looks like I might be able to hopefully check the closest townhall to the cursor and gather it that way

[cedar patrol]

not that I know of? Only talked about this here and with a couple regiment guys, just looking for a useful project

idk what to tell ya, I'll have to see if maybe we could help eachother if true

[delicate ether]

;=;

[mossy pelican]

error: expected unqualified-id before ‘=’ token
1 | ;=;
| ^

[languid harness]

lmao

[pure sierra]

so shard 1 war 83 now longest, war 33 days so far

[olive hamlet]

What was the previous record?

[pure sierra]

about 30

[olive hamlet]

Oh sorry I meant what war 😄

[pure sierra]

75 21 Apr 2021 31.2

still got apache problems with workers hanging

@orchid nexus

[olive hamlet]

Is it all running off one piece of hardware?

[pure sierra]

yes one vps

all the G's

[olive hamlet]

Hrm. They all seem to be hanging on gracefully finishing, does that include log writing as part of that? Could be disk contention

[pure sierra]

not sure

[olive hamlet]

What processor and disk? Spinny disk?

[pure sierra]

Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5-2620 v2 @ 2.10GHz, 2 cores

[olive hamlet]

Ah you don't have a CDN in front of it?

[pure sierra]

no

maybe spinny,

[olive hamlet]

Considered cloudflare?

[pure sierra]

not realy

[olive hamlet]

Their free plan would probably cut your traffic by a noticeable chunk 😄

[pure sierra]

could try it, but not really having bandwidth problem,

i believe it may be an apache bug

[olive hamlet]

It would cut down on traffic tho, so you'd have less requests for apache to handle

So the problem would be less noticebale

[pure sierra]

my problem seems to be workers getting stuck in G state

[olive hamlet]

Yeah, that could be contention

Too many workers all fighting for resources 😬

[pure sierra]

indefinately though ?

[olive hamlet]

There might genuinely just be that much of a backlog with that many workers

[pure sierra]

say i block all traffic with firewall, they should finish

https://marc.info/?l=apache-httpd-bugs&m=150592506008988&w=2

[olive hamlet]

Looks like they patched it tho

[pure sierra]

my apache log is full of

[Tue Oct 26 09:45:08.583993 2021] [mpm_worker:error] [pid 13593:tid 140601294725184] AH00288: scoreboard is full, not at MaxRequestWorkers

https://www.claudiokuenzler.com/blog/948/apache-2.4-mpm-event-bug-freezing-up-scoreboard-full-after-reload

im still on Apache version 2.4.25

[olive hamlet]

Ah well that would do it lol

[pure sierra]

have to go from debian 9 to 10

[olive hamlet]

😬

Probably easier to just go straight to 11 tbh

[pure sierra]

would be good if it works 🧑‍🔧

i see there is stretch-backports-sloppy

apache2 (2.4.46-1~bpo9+1)

[olive hamlet]

You should defo consider a CDN tho. A single load of the website makes 276 requests, I reckon at least 150 of them are to your server

[pure sierra]

i will when i do a review of my site performance some time, its pending as my loads are a bit on the high side

[olive hamlet]

Yeah I can imagine

That poor disk must be groaning if it's a spinny

[pure sierra]

i will make a tiket to find out, it could be ssd. some of the plans are, but ive had mine for so long maybe not

[olive hamlet]

Yeah, obviously also disk I/O uses up CPU power too, so the longer the disk takes to read and write

You can also find out yourself if you have SSH access

[pure sierra]

yeah, ive had it where processes are like 3% cpu usage but loads through the rooof, was hdd activity

i made a ticket

[olive hamlet]

hdparm -I /dev/sda

Assuming you only have one disk

That should give you the model number of the disk

[pure sierra]

even on vps ?

[olive hamlet]

Depends on the host

[pure sierra]

it would be virtualised

[cedar patrol]

python has too many libraries me no likey

[flint basin]

Thats the nice thing bout it

[cedar patrol]

I just don't like having 10 windows open trying to look through the documentation of the various ones i'm using

[coral sundial]

You dont have too

Just work on one thing at a time

[raven arrow]

<@&440174949647515652> Hi can I contribute the the api? I don’t play the game, but my friend reached out to me since I’m a software developer. I would like to build out an endpoint to retrieve data about resources at locations for my friend.

This is the data he is looking for, I don’t see that exposed in the current api

[jovial lake]

iirc

there are reasons they don't do this

also i think the api is like

bottom of the list if there is a TO-DO list

[raven arrow]

Could end up being an expensive query, makes sense.

[lunar cobalt]

From what they’ve said in the past I don’t expect them to add anything faction based to the API

[coral sundial]

The foremost reason I think was that its faction specefic info which could influence the war

[languid harness]

ah yes, let me have full total knowledge of enemy stockpiles. That is fun

[cedar patrol]

Hmmm so my code is doing what I want it to so far, but it kinda skipped a step on me and Idk how

[orchid nexus]

@pure sierra could rebuild the site on a cheeky Vultr instance for $5/month to confirm if it's an issue with your current VPS, or something else.

[pure sierra]

I upgraded Apache with backports

i seems to have fixed it

[pure sierra]

@long raft @barren quarry anybody what is 1 map width in meters ?

[long raft]

#code-talk message

[pure sierra]

thanks

length of a region is 1.89 km
width of a region is 2.184 km

there we go added a basic measurer

[coral sundial]

This little manouver is gonna cost us 8 years!

[long raft]

nice

cartographers guild would prefer you stick to the numbers tho

[flint basin]

ty

[pure sierra]

? What?

[flint basin]

@pure sierra

seems a bit buggy

some are white some are blue

[barren quarry]

@pure sierra your map for shard one has been fucked for quite some time

[pure sierra]

whats wrong ?? @barren quarry

[barren quarry]

does it look like this for you?

[pure sierra]

yes

[barren quarry]

well this voronoi is like more than a day old

[pure sierra]

ok, let me check

ah db pass change not updated everywhere

ok i think its all fixed now

[barren quarry]

yes

rip my eyes

[pure sierra]

yeah that is funny bug sometimes, hyper foxhole

[cinder dome]

What is this

[earnest glade]

foxholestats.com

[pure sierra]

boo

@cinder dometech talk

[lunar cobalt]

magic words that do things channel

[cinder dome]

So is the number/hr how many troops there are per hour? I actually really want to know how this works

Oh its casualty per hour

What's with the greyed out sections in shard 2?

[pure sierra]

inactive maps

[cinder dome]

Ok

[hexed tinsel]

What do they colored circle icons on foxholestats mean?

[safe mist]

How to extract the configuration files to know the costs of crafting, armor, life, etc.?

i found this https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1BiIihxOSoeQYrFIMSygxRkYj29VSLrRT/edit#gid=1977084440 but does not have all that craft

[lunar cobalt]

The wiki has all costs

[cerulean urchin]

This doesn't have everything. But it does have a lot of data associated with items that are crafted in a factory / MPF and is current with Update 46. Might be a good start for you 🙂

https://github.com/joshuaHallee/foxhole-item-api/blob/master/setup/foxhole-db.json

[safe mist]

thx

[long raft]

oh cmon this is our bot/spam sanctuary bruh

nobody in here is stupid enough to click that

[mossy pelican]

lol

[pure sierra]

@hexed tinselcasualty rate as color

[lunar cobalt]

@pure sierra foxholestats seems to be a bit broken, reporting 1 more VP needed while in-game is 3

[pure sierra]

lmc

can you see what is different to in game

?

[lunar cobalt]

loading in one sec

[pure sierra]

thanks

[lunar cobalt]

trusting FOD may have been a bad idea, we'll see

[pure sierra]

nah could be, ive had that count and display got out b4 after reset

[lunar cobalt]

ah FOD is just being shitters

[pure sierra]

though that time the actuall victory icon was not shown on the map

ok

[lunar cobalt]

sorry for ping in that case

[pure sierra]

np

[pure sierra]

war over

[novel wedge]

hey guys, the region zones are just made of voronoi things right?

[barren quarry]

Yes

[novel wedge]

@barren quarry gotcha, ty

[long raft]

cringe arch user

[long raft]

i want to make a crypto that half is mined as collie coin and the other half warden bucks and it uses the api so when one side wins a certain percentage of the opposite coin are decimated

or maybe if that worked on top of etherium

is there already a crypto that works this way?

[mossy pelican]

i can imagine the memes
colonials lost
how will this affect colliecoin economy?

[long raft]

yea thats the point

imagine if winning in foxhole actually could benefit your wallet

[long raft]

how would you link a price to the outcomes?

[thorny summit]

Is there an API for foxhole?

[long raft]

yea google warapi

how do you link them

in markets you dont set prices. you set supply and demand

price is determined by those

like say you set the price for collie coin too high, nobody buys it

even when they pin a currency to another, they have to print or destroy money to keep the price the same

or offer exchange value at a guaranteed rate...

[thorny summit]

Thanks a lot

[long raft]

the problem with my method of decimation, people could predict which coins had more risk, and individual coins would have different value, and it wouldnt be fungible

or maybe the randomization seed could be the length of the war

then it wouldnt be predictable

oh its like virtual gambling

i think theres just enough data in the warapi to make a crypto work

good god why hasnt somebody done this for like football teams

oh maybe because you can buy actual teams huh

well its ... zero sum, so nobody makes money

i shouldnt say that.

its not creating wealth, its basically gambling on price like ... any crypto

the only people doing work and being paid for it in such a system are the miners

and you have to have miners because they process the transactions

really really want to make this

[scenic sigil]

Will they ever expose metrics for faction industrial output like resources collected/refined/items produced?

[long raft]

[lunar cobalt]

[royal glade]

If you want to go crazy, before a war starts let miners speculate on the time a town will switch hands. The more miners speculating on a town the greater the value goes (up to some cap) and the longer into the war that the switch happens, the greater the value. The town must be held after the switch for some number of IRL hours before the coin is distributed. The miner with the closest guess is awarded the coin. Each town on the map can only be mined once per war. If there are many guesses with the same time, the created "coin" is split amongst them.

All of this can already be done with just the faction info for bases/th using the api.

[long raft]

The api doesn't say when something switched though

[royal glade]

api tells you if it goes from collie->neutral->warden right?

We'd have to record changes and analyze the data. It would be nicer if it did output a timestamp.

[twilit wave]

Do we have any idea what bAllowTickOnDedicatedServer:1 would be

[lunar cobalt]

The way Hayden tracks switches is just to see if something changed between his API calls

[cyan plaza]

code the new warden tank so it has less range

[lunar cobalt]

welcome to code talk, the place where the devs don't take balancing ideas from!

[flint basin]

@pure sierra i think you wanna check your server, it appears to be down

[pure sierra]

oof

this is my fault i believe

[flint basin]

yeah i doubt its mine, alr checked the pihole i didnt block any of your domains

[pure sierra]

something on my server got broke

[flint basin]

looks like it did ngl

[pure sierra]

yeah my mysql server not accepting logins

[pure sierra]

got some weird password corruption, and had to change it, now seems ok

@flint basin thanks for the heads up

[flint basin]

np, thanks for fixing

[pure sierra]

any way before i got interrupted by that

@long raft

dude, i already have had thoughts of this (betting) ---> LETS GO ! 🙏

https://www.foxholebets.com/

[stone void]

Oh boy, intentional throwing of wars to take over the market of an in game casino? My favorite!

[cinder dome]

What is the blue and green flashing dots?

[lunar cobalt]

@cinder dome relative rate of deaths

[cinder dome]

Hmm ok ty

[wraith escarp]

19293974830202847820102028372716182020202388291287383030192729181891010102288373737377748595948372639494636383737525141352820292629283639320023636375224141517192003377292910110928727273773903037161627393039271716163733902917366365119192833638292982637338929192836363637382solve my code

[flint basin]

@pure sierra suggestion: make the Town Base icons a bit bigger, imo its pretty hard to determine if they are green or blue

[pure sierra]

Just the town halls?

[flint basin]

yes

make them relic size and it'll be much better

just my opinion ofc, but as a developer myself i find it important to give feedback

[long raft]

oof i thought maybe i just had not updated this road

[pure sierra]

Can't really see

[lunar cobalt]

different road types wrongly layered?

[mossy pelican]

road abruptly changing tier

[exotic steppe]

yeah all rules/bets are off on reality outside of map hexes

I present the border between Fishermans Row and Origin:

[long raft]

road transitions for no reason at border

[pure sierra]

Build the wall

[neat fossil]

is there any way to tell if something (like a town hall) has actually just been destroyed or if the server's just restarted

[long raft]

maintain a database of state and check for differences

[neat fossil]

that's uh

not gonna help

...in fact considering sigil stats and foxhole stats both seem to suffer from this problem

[long raft]

that is literally the only way

[neat fossil]

well, ok we could keep a record of when something was lost and then check if it's been retaken again without going through the under construction phase

and if that happens remove both the previous records

[neat fossil]

it's my fault for not wording it correctly but I meant is there a way to check before you log either, and i'm guessing the answer is no

[royal glade]

Honestly, we should bug Phil/Casey or whoever to give us timestamps when bases fall/change hands. I don't see a downside to that information.

[long raft]

they will suggest you add an issue on the github

[lucid basalt]

is this supposed to be a DN reference?

[vale citrus]

Got a question for my green frenemies who are on SIGIL

Does sigil have a bot that shares the roles assigned on sigil to other colonial aligned discords?

[long raft]

i guess your shoulders are the roll bar?

[umbral mulch]

The chassis flexes so much that its impossible to roll it, genius design actually

[frigid garden]

I'm struggling a lot with dates and stuff while creating a booking app. Any thoughts? Literally an event may have 3 people as host but I have to check for availability for them so if the 3 of them have 1pm occupied then it has to be shown as disabled lol

[long raft]

specifically what is the problem? seems like you have it figured out

[frigid garden]

I mean, lets say you have a table/model called Closer that is part of a table called Booking in which you can have as many Closers as you want but lets say that you have 3 Closers and all of them are scheduled at 3pm, I know that I could check that but in the DB will I store each occupied hour/date and then query them to check if they match? I mean in terms of for example if I have a Booking that can be scheduled 3 months ahead from now, I'll have a looooooot of dates in my DB for each Closer.

I know i'm not explaining it too well but its because I cannot visualize it as a solution because I dont have any structure on mind lol

[long raft]

I guess so...

select distinct a.* from [closer] a inner join [closer] b on a.date=b.date and a.id < b.id;

it shouldnt a particularly slow query, theres a lot of records filtered out

if you index the date column it should be very fast. testing for time overlap is similar

there are faster ways to do it but probably not worth the effort

[upbeat zodiac]

Just finished up a Rust wrapper for the foxhole war API. Feel free to open issues and berate me endlessly: https://github.com/bahildebrand/foxhole-api

[limber jungle]

Is there a full list of endpoints?

Or is it just map info

[upbeat zodiac]

It's just the map info, which is the only api exposed I'm aware of. I'd be willing to add anything else that is available

[olive hamlet]

<@&448665379196108815> <@&440174949647515652>

[olive hamlet]

<@&448665379196108815> <@&440174949647515652>

[latent osprey]

rofl

[mild kernel]

back at it again https://github.com/jonahsnider/foxhole-client.js

it also exports complete typings for the API

import type { Api } from 'foxhole-client';

const warState: Api.War.State = /* ... */;

[limber jungle]

Any potential for player info via API? Perhaps SSO to allow for groups to vet players? Perhaps just war history for players to start

I think that might really promote group recruitment as well as promote trust within each side

obviously this limits per steam account, but it would be a good place to start for groups to recruit. Use EVE online as a standard

even if you used their old API standard, that would be fine. allow developers to pull info, if player requests it. Basically allow for an API that the player can request and get a key. That key could be used to pull individual player war history. I understand that recording and allowing API pulls would be a lot, but that's the one thing that's currently missing for the community to move forward.

In a sandbox game, that allows limited greifing and minimal dev / admin oversight, it requires players to organize and police themselves. a player specific API would move things forward significantly

[barren quarry]

literally a wet dream of everyone in here plus the staff of sigil/wuh

[limber jungle]

Obviously having a fully open api would have problems, need to figure out a way to implement SSO, then the player would give API info to said group. Its the only secure way from both a player and dev perspective

Then that API given by the player would allow certain info, such as private stockpiles they have the key for , etc

[lunar cobalt]

i strongly doubt the devs will go that path

[long raft]

foxhole is old news

[jovial lake]

lol

[olive hamlet]

Is modding allowed in Foxhole? I wanna make a mod to bring back the chat sound

[tender night]

De-facto yes

[violet garnet]

What's included in this API? And do you have an example to show of it's application and what info you can get from the game?

[mild kernel]

it's just a wrapper for the war api

[violet garnet]

ok, will dive into it a bit

[mild kernel]

there are examples of each method here on the docs https://foxhole-client.js.org/classes/mapclient

import Foxhole from 'foxhole-client';

const foxhole = new Foxhole();

const dynamicPublicMapData = await foxhole.map.fetchDynamicPublicData('StonecradleHex');

[violet garnet]

Cool cool

Is there a python wrapper for this somewhere as well?

[mild kernel]

there might be

you could try generating one with openapi & https://github.com/jonahsnider/foxhole-oas

[violet garnet]

alright, new project here we go

I'm trying to work out some of the physics of the game as well, it seems quite inconsistent

[ember jasper]

vc

[pure sierra]

not going to find anything about that in the api

[lost thistle]

Some of the links in the pins seem to be broken?

[pure sierra]

just say which ones you want we can see if we can help

[lost thistle]

mainly the local javascript psycho repos that were linked

[long raft]

did we ever get the 4 missing island maps for topography?

[pure sierra]

yeah ?

no, but can we

[calm wolf]

Hey guys ! Is there something for getting the data out of foxhole ? For creating a bot that gives you live stats about current war

or even past wars

[solemn compass]

https://foxholestats.com/

@calm wolf

OH

My bad, misread the request

[calm wolf]

np ^^

[pure sierra]

https://github.com/clapfoot/warapi/

[calm wolf]

and thx for the link tho x)

[pure sierra]

new search

[cerulean urchin]

^ I like that update!

[granite mica]

A+ on that change

[flint basin]

Mhm is nice

[old ibex]

ahk script to toggle clicklock in windows with ctrl alt c

Also I hate DLL function stuff now

took me 30 minutes to get the signature working

because microsoft documentation 🤮

[ruby garnet]

1

[long raft]

what is ahk?

btw, mouse keys is better than click lock

[pure sierra]

auto hot key

[long raft]

ah

[pure sierra]

scripting app

[lunar cobalt]

If you're writing an AHK script.. why not just make it hold down your mouse key rather than call click lock?

[long raft]

yea i have often wanted to make a vbs script that would enable it, but its tricky to enable click lock in any automated way

i suspect mouse keys might be easier. and again - its better than click lock

[blissful roost]

just set up macro, pressing toggle would make it infinite clicks, pressing again would turn it off

[noble bronze]

Folks from the Warden Unity Hub and The Colonial Sigil; would you be interested in setting up a community IdP? Something that would provide SSO with a faction claim powered by your respective verification processes on the respective discord servers?

[noble bronze]

@neat fossil @cerulean shuttle

[neat fossil]

Could you elaborate on the concept a bit? I'm unfamiliar with the term ):

[noble bronze]

Sure; an identity provider (IdP) is a service for sharing user information with other services by allowing single-sign-on (SSO, in particular the protocol is called OAuth2). Basically you can log into other services or websites using your Discord account; you don't ever share any details with the service directly, instead they redirect you to Discord where you give your consent for Discord to share details with them directly.

When the external service gets the details, they are getting them directly from the IdP (in this case Discord), which means that information can be trusted to a degree. If Discord says the user's username is EternalDeiwos#9344 then that can be trusted because its coming directly from Discord and you're not having to take the user's word for it.

So on to my idea; I'd like to set up an IdP, which users register with using their Discord accounts, and then use a bot to record which roles those users have been granted in WUH/Sigil. Then, anyone else can register a client application with the IdP and use that to authenticate users for any other purpose including any website, possible mobile apps, or anything else really. Basically something like this would allow the community to build more than just read-only websites and information outside of the game.

As for the user's information, it would be kept on the IdP with only specific information shared on a per-service basis only after the user has explicitly consented to sharing that information with a specific service. The most interesting piece of information would be a field that describes which faction a user is a part of (possible per-shard, although I am not precisely sure what the processes are for WUH/Sigil yet).

tl;dr: A service like "Log in with Steam" or "Log in with Discord" that will tell the service which faction a user is a part of based on what roles they have been assigned in WUH/Sigil on Discord.

[neat fossil]

Hmm, that sounds very interesting

I'll have a word with the other admins about this, thanks

[tribal niche]

just use macros bro..

[old ibex]

because I wanted to do magic

[old ibex]

same answer to you

[noble bronze]

@HudsonC#0485 @pliant lantern

[long raft]

how?

[noble bronze]

The two discord servers are already verifying users belonging to a particular faction. I'd just read their Discord role assignments to determine which faction a user is a part of.

[long raft]

im afraid neither is very reliable

theres no guaranteed way to determine a player's screen shots match their steam id which match their discord

definitely no automated way that is secure

[royal glade]

Short of the devs exposing some API that lets you query faction status of a player - which is unlikely to happen.

[pliant lantern]

I have to agree with Derp, it won't always be reliable, especially when you're pulling the data from the community hubs that require a screenshot verification to enter as it can easily be manipulated by people

[pliant lantern]

*likely

But not before 1.0

[long raft]

i imagine if there were a reliable automated way to oath both sigil and wuh would jump on it (and every other discord)

[lunar cobalt]

Really? Where’d you get that?

[pliant lantern]

Past convos with Phil, he said he loves the idea of having more API tools in the future but not any time before 1.0

[lunar cobalt]

Ah

I still kinda think they won’t expose specific player stuff - last time that happened with rich presence it was interesting

[noble bronze]

It doesn’t have to be perfect, only good enough. And the process is currently good enough for WUH/Sigil. Users would need to accept the risk that it can be manipulated and be careful what assumptions are made, but that is still better than nothing.

[noble bronze]

Wouldn’t it be better to an API backed by some level of scrutiny that is already being done than nothing at all?

[coral sundial]

You could maintain a manual database of known players

[safe mist]

How to generate the tiles for leaflet ?

[long raft]

https://github.com/NoUDerp/Tiler

download exe, drag and drop image on it

or whichever binary for your OS

[pure sierra]

this

[tribal niche]

ahh leaflet, I remember using it years ago for a student project

its pretty nice for creating interactive maps

[pure sierra]

yeah its easy

[tribal niche]

yeap

I've had some thoughts about creating a GPS overlay for foxhole...

wondering how I could get the location of the player from the application

[pure sierra]

how would you get the players location

[tribal niche]

one way would be to use opencv in combination to capture the location from the map displayed on the bottom left corner.. but that would be overkill I guess

[pure sierra]

i doubt there would be enough detail to work that out from just that map

[coral sundial]

There would be but there are hundreds of unique locations. No fun

[swift galleon]

358677

246886

145667

324921

174488

[neon vapor]

GoldenArrow_97#3136 has been warned. || Spam. Read the pins.

[swift galleon]

I thought people understand

🤣

[safe mist]

Can you add an option to organize in folders or customize the name ? Example: %z%/%z%_%x%_%y% .png -> 0/0_0_0.png

[long raft]

eh...

i see the use of it, i just write a command line for something like that

i think most users of it use windows and just drop files on it - thats my guess

ill write it down

for f in $(ls *.png); do newname=$(echo "$f" | sed 's/\([0-9]\+\)_\([0-9]\+\)_\([0-9]\+\)\.png/\1\/\1_\2_\3.png/'); mv "$f" "$newname"; done

totally unreadable, im glad command line stuff is short

[safe mist]

f not found

[long raft]

hmm

[safe mist]

@echo off

set list=acrithia allodsbight ashfields basinsionnach callahanspassage clansheadvalley deadlands drownedvale endlessshore farranaccoast fishermansrow godcrofts greatmarch heartlands howlcounty kalokailinnMercy lochMor nevishline marbanhollow morgenscrossing mooringcounty oarbreaker origin reachingtrail redriver shackledchasm speakingwoods stonecradle tempestisland terminus thefingers umbralwildwood viperpit weatheredexpanse westgate homeregionc homeregionw

for %%v in (%list%) do (
    :: clasic haxa map
    %cd%\libs\tiler\binaries\Tiler-Windows-x64.exe -zoom 7 -input %cd%\dist\maps\clasic\%%v.png -output %cd%\tmp\maps\clasic\%%v
    for f in $(ls %cd%\tmp\maps\clasic\%%v\*.png); newname=$(echo "$f" | sed 's/\([0-9]+\)_\([0-9]+\)_\([0-9]+\)\.png/\1\/\1_\2_\3.png/'); mv "$f" "$newname"; done
)

I did this @long raft

[long raft]

is that powershell?

[safe mist]

Console V2 and powershell yes

[long raft]

i forgot "do" keyword for bash script

probably forgot \ in front of all the + too doh

writing regex in linux command line is ugly

very tired

[safe mist]

Nop

f was unexpected.

[raven hornet]

I've released Stockpiler, my app for transcribing stockpiles. Hope this is the right place to put it in case someone finds it useful. Please keep in mind I am not a professional coder. :)

https://github.com/tehruttiger/Stockpiler

[barren quarry]

Looks interesting

Dozens of people have had this idea but it's the first time I see someone actually do it

[long raft]

woaw ... does it work?

[barren quarry]

oh god not you please

nooooo

[long raft]

submit to disks machine, kastow he needs more colonials

[exotic steppe]

Well I tried it and it works exactly as advertised

took my computer less than 3 secs to scan & output a fairly full depot

@raven hornet so what do you need to fix your missing items list ?

[raven hornet]

Phew!

Was it a named stockpile?

I'm compiling a new version now that lets you choose which of the 3 (current) exports you actually want, so you can turn off CSV for instance. It remembers between launches.

[raven hornet]

https://github.com/tehruttiger/Stockpiler/blob/master/Missing.csv

So that spreadsheet has two columns after the item number I assigned. If there's an X in the second column, it means I have the icon for that individual item. If there's an X in the third column it means I have the icon for a crate of that item. If they're both blank I have neither.

The easiest way to help is find a stockpile with one of those items and send me the saved image of the stockpile. Feel free to crop everything else if you'd prefer to do that. My icons are 34x34, so just make sure if you crop other stuff out you leave me a good buffer around the item itself. My 34x34 icon starts 11 pixels to the left of the grey amount box next to each item.

[lunar cobalt]

when a program can identify which gun is what better than you can

[raven hornet]

Here's an example of what another user sent me to help. He zipped them rather than send them over Discord since Discord compresses the images and messes them up.

[raven hornet]

I'm genuinely surprised (and glad) that the program can actually tell the difference between the new ones, because I sure as hell can't for some of them.

[lunar cobalt]

tells you how well all the captchas the internet has done have taught CV

[raven hornet]

Template matching is really pretty spectacular for this, luckily. I know some other programmers have tried to use machine learning to do this thing, but from what I understand they haven't had much luck.

I have yet to have a false positive or misread with my testing, so why complicate things? I guess thats another way to say I don't think I am smart enough to make that route work, haha

[exotic steppe]

ok so if I go looking for icons do I have to be in 1920x1080 ? I usually run a higher resolution@raven hornet

[raven hornet]

Yes, sorry. To get it to work with other resolutions it would need a whole new icon set for each one.

[exotic steppe]

ok np

[raven hornet]

I know a lot of people use those colored icon mods, so there will probably be at least one more set coming for that.

But likely still 1920x1080 for that one too

[exotic steppe]

ok also why did a dev post a picture of a cool Highlander model but linked to your post on reddit

wierd but hey free publicity

[raven hornet]

What are you talking about, I didn't see that.

?

[exotic steppe]

in the cool-community-stuff channel

shrugs

[raven hornet]

I can only assume it was an accident, but hey, I'll take it!

[exotic steppe]

happy little accidents, just like how trees are painted

[haughty quartz]

Does anyone know what "totalEnlistments" means in the https://github.com/clapfoot/warapi ?

[barren quarry]

number of unique steam ids that logged into the region server during the war

[haughty quartz]

It must reset at some point. It is only showing ~250 players on each side who have "enlisted" in the home region on shard1. Every player has to enlist to the home region to play, right?

[barren quarry]

Home region resets enlistments every day

[haughty quartz]

Thanks. That makes sense. Do you know what time they reset? Is that server aligned to UTC time or something?

[barren quarry]

green - colonial home region

blue - warden home region

black - steam game pop

[haughty quartz]

very cool. thanks

[barren quarry]

@haughty quartz this data is useless for anything other than evaluating game population

Like yeah we can say 4800 people joined shard 1, but it doesn't correlate with balance

[hidden charm]

Hi guys,what computer does it take to play foxhole?

[haughty quartz]

my thought was it would give a general idea of how many people were playing on either side and if there was a time when one side had more people logging on than the other

[dusk shadow]

hello i am a new code man with no experience. i try to find foxhole api but the link returns 404. what do

[olive hamlet]

Do you mean just https://war-service-live.foxholeservices.com/api? If so yes it doesn't have a root, you need to supply a request as listed here under "API Endpoints" - https://github.com/clapfoot/warapi/blob/master/README.md

For example: https://war-service-live.foxholeservices.com/api/worldconquest/war

[dusk shadow]

ok thanks that works

omg it works

its the forst time ever working with an api

nice

[sudden geode]

Foxhole coders! I am back appealing for your help again with the Foxhole Conquest Mod, (a mod to put Foxhole into HoI:IV). You don't need to know the programming languages as it's all fairly simple to pick up although previous programming experience will help you to understand how things flow. All I need is volunteers that can spare a few hours a week. Please message me with applications, links to the server can be found here: #community-resources message

[long raft]

I made the changes you wanted

binary files are now in official releases github thing

[safe mist]

🙏 😍

[safe mist]

New items icons 🙂

[safe mist]

copper

[languid harness]

Foxhole wiki thanks you for your efforts

[fervent spear]

Have the devs specified if storm canons/Inteligence will be in the API too, now that they are public?

[neat fossil]

it looks like this has been added recently.

[neat root]

That might be for Anvil

[mossy pelican]

red river

[flint oar]

Out of curiosity: What is the codebase for foxhole. It looks like LUA?

[lunar cobalt]

Unreal Engine 4 and C++ I believe

[fading prairie]

Lua is a scripting language often used in conjunction with C++.

Wesnoth, for example, uses Lua to script it's campaigns, but the game itself runs in C++.

[mossy pelican]

i love wesnoth modding

LUA is fun to work with

i believe Starbound is also c++ with Lua scripts

[royal glade]

is wesnoth still alive? 😮

[fading prairie]

Yep

The ladder is too

Tournement going on right now for folks who are into that

[mossy pelican]

lol of course it is
1.16.1 and going

[pure sierra]

@stable sleet let me know if any problems still

[pure sierra]

@zealous sonnet why did you put in warapi updates 0.48 ?? is the update not 0.47 ?

@tawny acorn is the current devbranch version not 0.47 ??

[zealous sonnet]

oh just a typo, don't worry about it

also you don't need to ping multiple people for that

[pure sierra]

i didnt, two different mistakes

[worthy sorrel]

i thought they did talk about a new api for player stats at the last devtalk ... any infos about that or did i missunderstood that ...

[pure sierra]

from devbranch blog

Player Activity Logs

         ○    By interacting with players through the player list or by alt clicking on them an activity log report may be viewed.  The information provided will be based on that players contribution for the current war and includes the following statistics.

             ○    Enemy and friendly player damage.
             ○    Enemy and friendly structure and vehicle damage.

             ○    Construction total.

             ○    Repair total.

             ○    Healing total.

             ○    Revival total.

             ○    Number of your faction variant vehicles captured by the enemy.

             ○    Materials gathered.

             ○    Materials refined.

             ○    Supplies delivered.

seems like a big tool to find out what alts are up too and if you can trust someone

@worthy sorrel

[barren quarry]

I want an api endpoint for this pretty please

Plus checking if a user is locked to a faction

[long raft]

how much money do we need to raise to make this happen?

please also current location

i swear it will only be used for good

[safe mist]

• https://github.com/clapfoot/warapi/issues/73
• https://github.com/clapfoot/warapi/issues/93

look the date xD

2020 xD

[long raft]

[heavy barn]

https://www.reddit.com/r/foxholegame/comments/r4uelp/captured_gunboats_captured_vehicles_texture_pack/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
I saw this post on redit and the guy said he was unable to make both textures for 1 thing be in game is it possable to treat the captured texture like tank armor where you can change it if you use instant repair in the garage? (It alreadt changes the texture on the armor so it may be possable)

[languid harness]

I think the armour wear is a texture on top of the regular texture. But ye I think it is not possible to have two base textures on the same vehicle considering there is no such vehicle in game that does.

But besides all that, do gunboats even have armourwear?

[vague otter]

I don't think they have armor at alll

[safe mist]

https://www.reddit.com/r/foxholegame/comments/r6t78q/coming_soon_for_shard_1_colonials/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3 😱

@ebon ermine Are you the one doing that?

[ebon ermine]

yes

[safe mist]

share code ?

[long raft]

how come its just colonials?

and why only shard 1

[safe mist]

@ebon ermine why ? (look old message)

[iron root]

oh boy. abandonment issues

[neat fossil]

Seems like this is another Collie-only project

[safe mist]

What framework used ?

[safe mist]

Numbers ?

Nice

[civic junco]

@neat fossil link for that or is that for personal use? Either way nice job on that excel work.

[elfin jacinth]

because wardens simply have an issue of skill

😎

[flint basin]

*cause wardens are so much better that they dont need it

[blissful solar]

Cos there's already a Warden one that's been available for ages lol

[safe mist]

https://tenor.com/view/searching-looking-checking-out-gif-7863233

[blissful solar]

Just gotta be in the loop with the right people init 😄

[safe mist]

https://tenor.com/view/top-secrets-confidential-gif-23843487

[turbid mountain]

how hard would it be to make a mod that changes the order of the buttons in a right-click menu? asking for a friend that keeps unpacking reservable material crates

[pure sierra]

@turbid mountain tricky

[turbid mountain]

aww

[pure sierra]

its most likely going to be hard coded in the exe and not in some external file, and so then the only other way would be identify and prevent a click on said menu item and redirect it else where if that is even possible

[lunar cobalt]

I think VAC would eat your soul if you tried that, unless you managed to not touch the game at all

[pure sierra]

thus my second suggestion

[drifting cairn]

A bunker health calculator? We've had that for a while now.

[safe mist]

Where ?

[idle owl]

ayo anyone wanna join me in hating on directX

[long raft]

yes

since 5.0

doesnt everyone just use vulkan now?

[mossy pelican]

anything after dx9 is horrendous

[pure sierra]

I pray for the day we can run linux as compatible with games as windows, pretty sure that os will die at that point

[idle owl]

dx11 is pretty much mandatory in my education

[long raft]

you dont sound like you got your microsoft 5g vaccine

[civic junco]

Is that bunker maker thing currently at “soonTM” for release?

[ebon ermine]

Yes. I'm working on the stuff needed to get the authentication working, and then it'll be ready for first release

[civic junco]

Chill

[quick acorn]

Beep boop bronto

[proud reef]

. . _. _,. . . .. ... . _ _

[opaque violet]

Alpha Charlie Sugma

[pure sierra]

oracle one 😉

[fading hemlock]

E=m.c²

[woeful vine]

E=m.c but are still all squares

[full summit]

Does USA has Goggle/Applee provider alternative for 5G vaccine?

[fickle aurora]

Given that variables C, i and j are 32 bit integers, simplify this pointer statement into more readable code: *(*(*(C+i)+j)+k)

[long raft]

do you mean i, j, and k?

cause C[i+j+k]

[fickle aurora]

the answer will be C[i][j][k]

[long raft]

what.

you said they were 32 bit integers, not pointers

so that... wouldnt work. that wouldnt even compile

i assumed C was a pointer and i, j, and k were the integers you meant

so (&(&C[i])[j])[k] would work

but thats hardly simplified

[fickle aurora]

well I'm not going to argue, but it's covered in a course and yes it does compile, and pointers have a data type (char, int, void, etc)

`
#include <stdio.h>
#include <stdlib.h>

int main (int argc, char **argv, char **envp)
{
int C[3][2][2], i = 1, j = 2, k = 3;
C[i][j][k] = 88;

printf("%d\n", ((*(C+i)+j)+k) );

return 0;
}
// Output
allan@telephony:~/pointers $ make
gcc multidp_c.c -o multidp_c
g++ multidp_cpp.cpp -o multidp_cpp
allan@telephony:~/pointers $ ./multidp_c
88
allan@telephony:~/pointers $ ./multidp_cpp
88
`

[long raft]

So C is a pointer to a 3d array? You could have included that

[fickle aurora]

you could already infer that it is a 3D array with the expression given

[long raft]

No it suggested it was an array but not 3d

If it were in fact a 1d array it wouldn't compile

[fickle aurora]

I can assure you if you try to compile it with the appropriate compiler, it will compile .. maybe not with microsoft compilers that are CIL-based

[long raft]

Lol

You left out a very important context

[fickle aurora]

well there is a general rule, any time you see *(C+i) you can directly equate that to C[i] and similarly, *C is equivalent to C[]

[long raft]

sure, i just didnt know C was int ***

[idle owl]

Multidimensional arrays
More like
Several one dimensional arrays in a bug trench coat

[fickle aurora]

comparison of speed between comparable programs in C and python on a raspberry Pi model 2B (1.2Ghz 4 core/4 thread arm7 v71 rev4) ... all it does is count to 10 million

it's significantly better to compare on a regular x86 or x64 system because of the math coprocessor, but python can't take advantage of the math coprocessor, so python programs will not be as disadvantaged while running on an rpi compared to a regular PC

[long raft]

math coprocessor for integers?

[fickle aurora]

ok so you assumed it could only work on floats, but the FPU can work on any binary value

there is no such thing as float at the CPU level, it's all stored as bits

[long raft]

i suppose you are talking about some specific CPU?

because the floating point unit is integrated in most modern computers

it would perform worse on integers than a cpu (old style)

i should say a CPU without an integrated FPU

[fickle aurora]

as referenced in the x64 and x86 architecture manual

you assumed that floating point unit implied that you can only use floating point numbers in it, but that is false, it will perform calculations with any number

the advantage in using the FPU is that it's significantly faster than the general multipurpose CPU registers

all modern AMD and Intel processors have x87 FPU math coprocessors built in them

afaik, most ARM does not have a math coprocessor to speed up calculations, so everything runs like a potato

on the other hand, python does not use the full instruction set, because it's a simple language, so it cannot take advantage of the full speed offered by the FPU (what's more, these bad interpreted or CIL-based languages have no support for inline assembly)

[fickle aurora]

it's interesting that python takes 170 times longer than C to perform the same calculation with nearly identical source code (and nearly identical amount of source code typed, meaning no advantage in amount of code typed)

[long raft]

yea it can load an integer. and then it loads it as a floating point number

but yea i agree if youre writing a program to count from 1 to 10 million youd be a fool to use anything besides C

im always kind of surprised how slow integer arithmetic is on GPUs