#code-talk | foxholegame | Page 23

pure sierra Sep 21, 2021, 9:08 AM

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i then pass that on to your tiler.exe derp for leaflet layers

subtle gust Sep 21, 2021, 10:23 AM

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How did you guys come to the x = 5644 size of the world? The equation for this is (3 / 2 + 4) * hex_width, right? For 1024 this then results jn 5632 px

wide gazelle Sep 21, 2021, 10:27 AM

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I love how code is so common now it gets passed casually around threads ..

subtle gust Sep 21, 2021, 10:30 AM

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For a person that has basically grown up next to computers that is kinda a funny comment.

pure sierra Sep 21, 2021, 7:54 PM

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@subtle gustits the pixel size of my world map after my tiler spits it out. so i guess if theres something wrong with my tiler calcs it might come out wrong

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i took my spacing from @safe mist

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so it seems shard2 is still staying 😿

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they should have made the map wider not longer so both shards could fit

pure sierra Sep 21, 2021, 8:16 PM

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yeah i think you might be right @subtle gust maybe @safe mist made a mistake

subtle gust Sep 21, 2021, 8:16 PM

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Well that mistake has been there for some time 😛

pure sierra Sep 21, 2021, 8:16 PM

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$gridInterval = ['x'=>770, 'y'=> 444];

subtle gust Sep 21, 2021, 8:17 PM

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I had to implement a hard fix for it.

pure sierra Sep 21, 2021, 8:17 PM

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to calc x interval it would be total ((width of hexagon - side length) /2) +side length

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((1024 - 512)/2)+512

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=768

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not 770

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i got side length 512 from https://hexagoncalculator.apphb.com/

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this is what im calling x interval

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the distance at which a new column starts

subtle gust Sep 21, 2021, 8:22 PM

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One nice property of regular hexagons is that their side lengths are always halve of the width.

long raft Sep 21, 2021, 8:22 PM

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if samas made a mistake then i made it too

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and so did kastow. because all of our maps are interchangeable

safe mist Sep 21, 2021, 8:23 PM

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pure sierra yeah i think you might be right <@!423544098243477505> maybe <@!8944432321239449...

Where is my error ?

pure sierra Sep 21, 2021, 8:23 PM

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no, samas did his differently

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i copied his method of column spacing/interval

long raft Sep 21, 2021, 8:23 PM

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oh ive been using samas's map and it lines up correctly with the roads i drew previously like last year

subtle gust Sep 21, 2021, 8:24 PM

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safe mist Where is my error ?

#code-talk message

pure sierra Sep 21, 2021, 8:24 PM

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https://gist.github.com/samuelds/6b694d7eafa654f06211dc22a19b7b21#file-map-txt

subtle gust Sep 21, 2021, 8:25 PM

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I think in the end agreeing on the variables is more important than having them perfect 😛

pure sierra Sep 21, 2021, 8:25 PM

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i just copy pasted his value of 770 without calcing it myself

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but looks like it should be 768

subtle gust Sep 21, 2021, 8:27 PM

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I never knew they existed before I calculated them.

pure sierra Sep 21, 2021, 8:27 PM

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before via kastow it was expressed as a formula rather than fixed number

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and calced from a center of 0,0

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i switch to top left with this update

lunar cobalt Sep 21, 2021, 8:28 PM

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long raft oh ive been using samas's map and it lines up correctly with the roads i drew pr...

a 2 pixel difference probably wouldn't be that noticeable

pure sierra Sep 21, 2021, 8:29 PM

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no i didnt at all

long raft Sep 21, 2021, 8:29 PM

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lunar cobalt a 2 pixel difference probably wouldn't be that noticeable

youd think not ... but i dunno

subtle gust Sep 21, 2021, 8:29 PM

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lunar cobalt a 2 pixel difference probably wouldn't be that noticeable

it is a 12 pixel difference, roughly the size of the road.

long raft Sep 21, 2021, 8:29 PM

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i think it is responsible for the borders not being perfectly placed

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but i used the same coordinates, 1024x888 and i didnt copy anyone else

subtle gust Sep 21, 2021, 8:30 PM

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But yea, I am already happy I understand the problem. You guys can agree on what it should be, then I will just follow suit.

long raft Sep 21, 2021, 8:30 PM

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did we just round the wrong way?

pure sierra Sep 21, 2021, 8:31 PM

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thats what im thinking

long raft Sep 21, 2021, 8:31 PM

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shouldnt have rounded them at all maybe...

pure sierra Sep 21, 2021, 8:31 PM

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a decimal point both sides will give you 2

long raft Sep 21, 2021, 8:31 PM

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2 * 6 = 12

subtle gust Sep 21, 2021, 8:32 PM

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In my code I no longer round before I need to submit the pixel values 😛

long raft Sep 21, 2021, 8:32 PM

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god i should just write a c# stitcher for this

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doing this in bash was a mistake

pure sierra Sep 21, 2021, 8:32 PM

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in my code there are not decimals

subtle gust Sep 21, 2021, 8:32 PM

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long raft god i should just write a c# stitcher for this

You have it in python now 😛

pure sierra Sep 21, 2021, 8:32 PM

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im in python and php and js wardenlol

long raft Sep 21, 2021, 8:33 PM

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what id like is a control file that says which image goes to which coordinate

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i suppose hard coded python is ok

pure sierra Sep 21, 2021, 8:34 PM

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mind you there is also a decimal on the y spacing too

subtle gust Sep 21, 2021, 8:34 PM

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In the end making sure the map is defined by $worldSize = ['x'=>5644, 'y'=>6216]; should solve most problems.

pure sierra Sep 21, 2021, 8:34 PM

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so y could be off too

subtle gust Sep 21, 2021, 8:35 PM

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pure sierra mind you there is also a decimal on the y spacing too

yea but hexes tile much simpler in the y direction.

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just on top of eachother

pure sierra Sep 21, 2021, 8:35 PM

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but you still need to calc the offset between one and the next

safe mist Sep 21, 2021, 8:35 PM

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pure sierra

768

pure sierra Sep 21, 2021, 8:35 PM

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sure center column is just stacked but each next to that is offset

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by apothem

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but i just copy @safe mist again and put in 444

subtle gust Sep 21, 2021, 8:37 PM

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yes simple enough

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I think the error was only in the x direction

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but it might be wise to leave the error in for now

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until we have a code / algorithm that we can all agree on.

safe mist Sep 21, 2021, 8:38 PM

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Where correct spacing ? xD

subtle gust Sep 21, 2021, 8:39 PM

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safe mist Where correct spacing ? xD

what do you mean?

safe mist Sep 21, 2021, 8:39 PM

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subtle gust what do you mean?

#code-talk message

subtle gust Sep 21, 2021, 8:40 PM

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@safe mist

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With spacing the defined origin is also important

safe mist Sep 21, 2021, 8:43 PM

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5632 x 6216

subtle gust Sep 21, 2021, 8:44 PM

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That would be the correct map I think, but it will make all the things we drew on top of it off 😛

safe mist Sep 21, 2021, 8:44 PM

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Where are diffence xD

subtle gust Sep 21, 2021, 8:46 PM

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In those variables I do not really get what the outputImageSize is?

safe mist Sep 21, 2021, 8:46 PM

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Foxholestats work 5644, me 5633 😮

pure sierra Sep 21, 2021, 8:47 PM

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that is just my own thing for generating a scaled down map for my home page

subtle gust Sep 21, 2021, 8:47 PM

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5633! an odd number! the pain....

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well at least you have a nice pixel in the middle of your map 😄

safe mist Sep 21, 2021, 8:47 PM

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more 1 pixel xD

subtle gust Sep 21, 2021, 8:47 PM

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ow noes it is not even in the middle 😛

safe mist Sep 21, 2021, 8:47 PM

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5632 is ok

subtle gust Sep 21, 2021, 8:49 PM

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But yea, the roads for logiwaze are currently drawn on the 5644 map

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they can be rescaled I heard

safe mist Sep 21, 2021, 8:49 PM

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Why 468 and not 470?

long raft Sep 21, 2021, 8:49 PM

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rescaling them not very hard

subtle gust Sep 21, 2021, 8:51 PM

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safe mist Why 468 and not 470?

what variable?

safe mist Sep 21, 2021, 8:51 PM

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subtle gust what variable?

    'basinsionnach': {
        x: 768 * 3,
        y: 0
    },

subtle gust Sep 21, 2021, 8:51 PM

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long raft rescaling them not very hard

nice, but the call is up to you guys.

safe mist Sep 21, 2021, 8:52 PM

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old value is 770

long raft Sep 21, 2021, 8:52 PM

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i would like to see if it makes things fit in the borders better

subtle gust Sep 21, 2021, 8:52 PM

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safe mist old value is 770

let me find the equation for you

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@pure sierra and @safe mist https://www.omnicalculator.com/math/hexagon

Hexagon Calculator | 6 - Sided Polygon

Hexagon calculator finds all geometrical properties of a regular hexagon.

safe mist Sep 21, 2021, 8:54 PM

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I found that with 770 it was good, but with 768 I do not see a difference xD

subtle gust Sep 21, 2021, 8:54 PM

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safe mist I found that with 770 it was good, but with 768 I do not see a difference xD

it is those 12 pixels in the end

safe mist Sep 21, 2021, 8:55 PM

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subtle gust it is those 12 pixels in the end

yes

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All image is 1024x888px

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pure sierra Sep 21, 2021, 8:57 PM

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so there not perfect hexagon ?

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so 444 is correct for these

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dev man bad

subtle gust Sep 21, 2021, 8:57 PM

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I think the equation of what you guys are using is y = w - w / 4 = 768 for w = 1024

safe mist Sep 21, 2021, 8:57 PM

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444 x ??? px

pure sierra Sep 21, 2021, 8:58 PM

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for half the height

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#code-talk message

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technically if 1024 width the apothem should be 443.xxxx

subtle gust Sep 21, 2021, 8:58 PM

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pure sierra so there not perfect hexagon ?

they are not, but that might be a matter for another day 😛

subtle gust Sep 21, 2021, 9:00 PM

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pure sierra technically if 1024 width the apothem should be 443.xxxx

seems close enough though. That is less then two pixels for each hex

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Again... might be better to agree on wrong metrics instead of fixing all of them 😛

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I am also fine with doing the perfect calculations

pure sierra Sep 21, 2021, 9:02 PM

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so is the width wrong or height @zealous sonnet

subtle gust Sep 21, 2021, 9:03 PM

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The hex heights are drawn exact onto the image

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I would say the widths are wrong

pure sierra Sep 21, 2021, 9:03 PM

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subtle gust The hex heights are drawn exact onto the image

what do you mean ?

subtle gust Sep 21, 2021, 9:04 PM

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maybe I am jumping the gun... but it seems the corners are cut from the hexes 😛

pure sierra Sep 21, 2021, 9:04 PM

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yes i agree

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subtle gust Sep 21, 2021, 9:04 PM

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on the sides

zealous sonnet Sep 21, 2021, 9:05 PM

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hmm let me see...

pure sierra Sep 21, 2021, 9:05 PM

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its not important phil, we just mucking around

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it would seem you cropped the sides to not have to deal with decimal pixels and have the image width be the hex width

subtle gust Sep 21, 2021, 9:07 PM

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well I assume the game is also using pixels to show the map. so in the end they will need to use some displacement for each hex

zealous sonnet Sep 21, 2021, 9:08 PM

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in terms of world units:
Width 218,399.999994
Height 188,999.999991
the picture hayden posted looks close enough ratio wise

subtle gust Sep 21, 2021, 9:09 PM

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how much pixels a world unit on the ingame map?

zealous sonnet Sep 21, 2021, 9:09 PM

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depends on resolution and zoom level

pure sierra Sep 21, 2021, 9:09 PM

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i cant even put that number into my real calc

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i have to use pc

lunar cobalt Sep 21, 2021, 9:09 PM

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The cutoff is the same for U45 map images

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Looking through Wiki history, it's been the same since .26

subtle gust Sep 21, 2021, 9:10 PM

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pure sierra i cant even put that number into my real calc

the map is like 3 orders of magnitude in pixels, so no need to go much further than 4 decimals 😛

subtle gust Sep 21, 2021, 9:12 PM

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lunar cobalt Looking through Wiki history, it's been the same since .26

Ow yea, I seem to be the first that has encountered an actual problem with it.

long raft Sep 21, 2021, 9:12 PM

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first to ... be concerned about it julianlol

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i suppose i was always bothered with the placement of the borders tho

subtle gust Sep 21, 2021, 9:12 PM

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zealous sonnet depends on resolution and zoom level

I think we are thus far thinking of no zoom at all and max resolution

pure sierra Sep 21, 2021, 9:12 PM

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can we morph this into a collie bias conspiracy theory ?

long raft Sep 21, 2021, 9:12 PM

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i couldnt pinpoint why those were off on the outsides

subtle gust Sep 21, 2021, 9:13 PM

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pure sierra can we morph this into a collie bias conspiracy theory ?

only if you find a mistake in the y axis 😉

lunar cobalt Sep 21, 2021, 9:14 PM

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pure sierra can we morph this into a collie bias conspiracy theory ?

it's hidden space on the map so when we build partisan bases you can't find them

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lulsliding

pure sierra Sep 21, 2021, 9:14 PM

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thats right, if they cropped the height, than if origin top left the wardens get more space

long raft Sep 21, 2021, 9:14 PM

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theyve been giving those 2 pixels per region to colonials the whole time, thats the tech bonus

pure sierra Sep 21, 2021, 9:14 PM

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wardenlol

subtle gust Sep 21, 2021, 9:15 PM

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giving them to the collies would only make them drive longer every time 😉

long raft Sep 21, 2021, 9:15 PM

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but their roads are faster

pure sierra Sep 21, 2021, 9:16 PM

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that would be a cool metric derp you could calc

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warden road length vs collie

long raft Sep 21, 2021, 9:16 PM

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i cant be accurate without height maps

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but in general my spot tests have been colonial roads are way shorter

subtle gust Sep 21, 2021, 9:16 PM

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omg.... heightmaps....

long raft Sep 21, 2021, 9:16 PM

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matt already said no to height maps

pure sierra Sep 21, 2021, 9:17 PM

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so its confirmed ? wardenlol

long raft Sep 21, 2021, 9:17 PM

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i mean he said its not his thing to do

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but thats just as good as saying no

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this is foxhole, hayden. nothing is ever confirmed. but we've been living it for 3 years, so practically speaking.

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i think the height maps are stored on the server, personally

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maybe somebody could monitor their game traffic and find them ... some haxor

pure sierra Sep 21, 2021, 9:18 PM

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we have seen them before have we ?

long raft Sep 21, 2021, 9:19 PM

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we have seen deadlands, via matt

subtle gust Sep 21, 2021, 9:19 PM

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but we leave the metrics as they are?

long raft Sep 21, 2021, 9:19 PM

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Mattshrug

pure sierra Sep 21, 2021, 9:19 PM

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ill be going to 768

lunar cobalt Sep 21, 2021, 9:20 PM

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pure sierra Sep 21, 2021, 9:20 PM

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but im not in a rush to regenerate

subtle gust Sep 21, 2021, 9:20 PM

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lunar cobalt

hahahahahahaha yes!

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How did you even make that?

lunar cobalt Sep 21, 2021, 9:20 PM

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Matt gave that one

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said he wouldn't give others

pure sierra Sep 21, 2021, 9:21 PM

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we just need to keep asking

subtle gust Sep 21, 2021, 9:21 PM

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ow w8, thats a heightmap?

lunar cobalt Sep 21, 2021, 9:21 PM

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Ya

long raft Sep 21, 2021, 9:21 PM

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well we are asking the wrong person

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need to ask mark

lunar cobalt Sep 21, 2021, 9:21 PM

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this is it after hitting it in Illustrator a bit

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Lighter = higher

long raft Sep 21, 2021, 9:22 PM

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ive been asking for height maps for years lol

subtle gust Sep 21, 2021, 9:22 PM

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I wonder... if the code is already there...

long raft Sep 21, 2021, 9:22 PM

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i give up

pure sierra Sep 21, 2021, 9:23 PM

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i dream of topographical maps

lunar cobalt Sep 21, 2021, 9:23 PM

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heeeeey phil

long raft Sep 21, 2021, 9:23 PM

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me too. and accurate road distance. and accurate artillery calculators

lunar cobalt Sep 21, 2021, 9:23 PM

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lulsliding

long raft Sep 21, 2021, 9:24 PM

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"make a github issue"

pure sierra Sep 21, 2021, 9:24 PM

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tm

lunar cobalt Sep 21, 2021, 9:24 PM

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"closed with no comment"

long raft Sep 21, 2021, 9:24 PM

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what if we protested by shutting our sites down julianlol

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do you know how many ... people would ask the devs whats happened to foxholestats?

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it would be a deluge

lunar cobalt Sep 21, 2021, 9:25 PM

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Do you know how many people already ask in #technical-chat whenever Foxholestats does something odd?

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The region color bug? #technical-chat

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Server responding with 404 errors or something else? #technical-chat

long raft Sep 21, 2021, 9:26 PM

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if sigilhq went down you could count all the sigil people complaining too

pure sierra Sep 21, 2021, 9:27 PM

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im thinking there will be quite some players for this new update

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im sad they still need/want shard 2

lunar cobalt Sep 21, 2021, 9:29 PM

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the frontline isn't wider

pure sierra Sep 21, 2021, 9:29 PM

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they should have made it wider rather than longer

lunar cobalt Sep 21, 2021, 9:29 PM

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mhm hmm

pure sierra Sep 21, 2021, 9:30 PM

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big missed opportunity there

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i would have thought the biggest objective of making them map bigger would be to not need 2 shards

long raft Sep 21, 2021, 9:31 PM

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they want longer wars, not bigger wars evidently

olive parrot Sep 21, 2021, 9:34 PM

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long raft if sigilhq went down you could count all the sigil people complaining too

Is sigilhq in active use still? I'm an unwashed shard 2 type, been using foxehole-hq.com, which is now pretty broken looking with the upcoming update.

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I opened a few pull requests on foxehole-hq.com, but dunno if the maintainers even play anymore either.

long raft Sep 21, 2021, 9:35 PM

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The sigil version

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To my knowledge it is, but I'm not in sigil, and the stats page works

olive parrot Sep 21, 2021, 9:37 PM

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Yeah, looks like it's updated for new hexes, icons etc.

pure sierra Sep 21, 2021, 9:49 PM

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subtle gust I think the equation of what you guys are using is y = w - w / 4 = 768 for w = 1...

((width of hexagon - side length) /2) +side length

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if you guys like electronic music, twitch is great https://www.twitch.tv/taylorp1ays?referrer=raid

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currently live

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one of my favs

lunar cobalt Sep 21, 2021, 9:59 PM

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an update just pushed, doesn't have any map changes I can see

pure sierra Sep 21, 2021, 10:00 PM

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orly

subtle gust Sep 21, 2021, 10:07 PM

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pure sierra ((width of hexagon - side length) /2) +side length

correct, knowing: sidelength = hexwidth / 2

pure sierra Sep 21, 2021, 10:10 PM

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seems like they taking regions offline

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my stats all died

lunar cobalt Sep 21, 2021, 10:10 PM

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about half the map is offline

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lunar cobalt Sep 21, 2021, 10:55 PM

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@pure sierra FYI you're getting a ton of garbage data right now, not sure if that matters for your collecting at all

pure sierra Sep 21, 2021, 10:56 PM

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nah

lunar cobalt Sep 21, 2021, 10:56 PM

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Cool and good

pure sierra Sep 21, 2021, 10:56 PM

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i discard resistance data now

lunar cobalt Sep 21, 2021, 10:56 PM

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Someone just asked why deadlands was outputting 30k deaths an hour

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julianlol

pure sierra Sep 21, 2021, 10:56 PM

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fod tech support for fhs

lunar cobalt Sep 21, 2021, 10:56 PM

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are the colors new?

pure sierra Sep 21, 2021, 11:01 PM

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yes

cerulean urchin Sep 22, 2021, 12:38 AM

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A topographical map with contour lines would be sick. I'd print Heartlands or another logi hub and hang it above my desk lol

tawdry thunder Sep 22, 2021, 2:11 AM

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lunar cobalt this is it after hitting it in Illustrator a bit

now do it for the whole map + outside the hex

lunar cobalt Sep 22, 2021, 2:13 AM

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tawdry thunder now do it for the whole map + outside the hex

... how?

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That's the only Heightmap Matt gave us

tawdry thunder Sep 22, 2021, 2:15 AM

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oh

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nvm then I thought u got this yourself

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why would Matt tease us like this

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wait no nvm

subtle gust Sep 22, 2021, 9:17 AM

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https://tenor.com/view/roller-coaster-face-hmm-yeah-gif-21868607

Tenor

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#matt-teasing-heightmap

barren quarry Sep 22, 2021, 3:57 PM

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haaaaydeeeen

mossy pelican Sep 22, 2021, 4:46 PM

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ah yes. the war started in the 70s

deft quartz Sep 22, 2021, 4:55 PM

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ah yes. having issues logging in to foxhole

long raft Sep 22, 2021, 6:54 PM

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you guys have a nameless relic base too?

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i hear its "Reaching River" of which there is already a location, hmm

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api out of date?

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or just a derp problem?

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or maybe it's 2 locations with the same name

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oh i think i was downloading them from the devbranch oof

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derp

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nvm doesnt fix it.

pure sierra Sep 22, 2021, 7:21 PM

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@barren quarrywars getting longer

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pure sierra Sep 22, 2021, 8:32 PM

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ive never seen this, even the lobby home region has a queue

languid harness Sep 22, 2021, 8:40 PM

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:ohno:

mossy pelican Sep 22, 2021, 8:55 PM

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i've seen it happen before but the queue wasn't as long

coral sundial Sep 23, 2021, 1:38 PM

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code friends I need some math help

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how do I arrange an array of numbers, with a position of x,y in a perfect square

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with a single for loop

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for i in range(len(robot_list)):
    robot_list[i] = Robot()
    x = 2*i + 1
    y = 1*i
    robot_list[i].set_pose(x,y)

flint basin Sep 23, 2021, 1:50 PM

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How about 2 nested loops?

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One for the row and one for the coloumn

coral sundial Sep 23, 2021, 1:57 PM

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I thought there was a way to do it without nested loops

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for i in range(len(robot_list)):
    robot_list[i] = Robot()

for i in range(len(robot_list)):
    for j in range(len(robot_list)):
        robot_list[i].set_pose([i,j])```

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this doesnt work

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all the j coords are 99

lavish crystal Sep 23, 2021, 2:05 PM

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🤔 So wait, from the array of 100 robots, you want the coords to be [0, 0] to [9, 9] ?

barren quarry Sep 23, 2021, 2:12 PM

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coral sundial ```robot_list = [100] for i in range(len(robot_list)): robot_list[i] = Robot...

can you give me an example of what are you trying to accomplish

coral sundial Sep 23, 2021, 2:13 PM

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arrange the robots in a square

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where all the dots are coords

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I mean, I could do every 10th x, go one down in y

barren quarry Sep 23, 2021, 2:17 PM

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coral sundial

import math

list = 100
for i in range(list):
    x = math.floor(i % math.sqrt(list)) + 1
    y = math.floor(i / math.sqrt(list)) + 1
    print(x, y)```

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boom

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https://media.giphy.com/media/YQitE4YNQNahy/giphy.gif

Giphy

coral sundial Sep 23, 2021, 2:18 PM

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berry nice

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I figured I could use the formula for a square

x-100 = y

lavish crystal Sep 23, 2021, 2:19 PM

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list = []
robot_amount = 100

for i in range(robot_amount):
  list[i] = Robot()
  list[i].set_pose(robot_amount % sqrt(robot_amount), robot_amount // sqrt(robot_amount))

coral sundial Sep 23, 2021, 2:19 PM

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but your way is very complex

lavish crystal Sep 23, 2021, 2:19 PM

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😎 Let's make it more complex

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Oh shit I didn't read, I did exactly the same thing as the js guy

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xD

coral sundial Sep 23, 2021, 2:22 PM

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nice

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definetly not gonna plagiarize this

long raft Sep 23, 2021, 6:31 PM

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yay modulo operator to the rescue here

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or pointer arithmetic

tribal niche Sep 23, 2021, 6:43 PM

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calculate sqrt(robot_amount) before the for loop

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or I won't approve your code review

earnest glade Sep 24, 2021, 1:36 AM

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Lol, is this channel leetcode practice now?

pure sierra Sep 24, 2021, 2:12 AM

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@earnest gladeanything to avoid going into #foxhole-discussion

mossy pelican Sep 24, 2021, 2:49 AM

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since we are on non-foxhole programming here is my perlin noise map generator https://streamable.com/qm1wxw

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pure sierra Sep 24, 2021, 8:09 AM

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<@&448665379196108815> Reeeeeee

lunar cobalt Sep 24, 2021, 8:35 AM

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reeeee

kind glacier Sep 27, 2021, 9:23 AM

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Damn, now I want this shirt

languid harness Sep 27, 2021, 10:01 AM

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Critical syntax error

flint basin Sep 27, 2021, 10:29 AM

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Awesome ngl

cursive flame Sep 27, 2021, 12:35 PM

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kind glacier Damn, now I want this shirt

same

neat fossil Sep 27, 2021, 3:09 PM

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I decided that I'm going to try to make a logi 'gps' app. I'll probably fail horribly.

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Step 1: catalog every single road and intersection...

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Step 2: Measure the length of every single road....

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What am I doing with my life

barren quarry Sep 27, 2021, 3:40 PM

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neat fossil I decided that I'm going to try to make a logi 'gps' app. I'll probably fail hor...

https://www.logiwaze.com/

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You can help the creator update the road map

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@long raft <== creator

neat fossil Sep 27, 2021, 3:50 PM

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Oh, that's neat

pure sierra Sep 28, 2021, 8:01 PM

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my apache volume is getting too damn high

spare pumice Sep 28, 2021, 10:04 PM

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neat fossil I decided that I'm going to try to make a logi 'gps' app. I'll probably fail hor...

How would you track the players location though?

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which is what GPS is.

mossy pelican Sep 28, 2021, 10:05 PM

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i don't think there is a way to do that with the api

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maybe you could somehow read the player's minimap and compare it to the map image to find where the player is but why

spare pumice Sep 28, 2021, 10:06 PM

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Have fun with that ;p

mossy pelican Sep 28, 2021, 10:06 PM

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yea

slender dragon Sep 29, 2021, 5:19 AM

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Is there a way to query the state of the tech tree via API?

barren quarry Sep 29, 2021, 6:56 AM

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slender dragon Is there a way to query the state of the tech tree via API?

no, because it is opsec

long raft Sep 29, 2021, 7:03 AM

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i suppose weather is opsec too?

languid harness Sep 29, 2021, 10:17 AM

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pure sierra my apache volume is getting too damn high

The jump on the 23rd is remarkable

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We live in a society

slender dragon Sep 29, 2021, 12:25 PM

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barren quarry no, because it is opsec

Right, as a public API, that makes sense. Dumb question, but would the devs think of the situation differently if you had to OAuth an account to hit the endpoint (and are thus presumably tied to one faction or another)? And if so, any interest in the lift around making a private API so that more of that info can be exposed and programmed? Totally get it if that is of no interest to anyone else or simply way too low priority to make sense for the devs. Just want a simple bot that pings our regiment update channel with the state of our faction's tech tree so that we can stop screenshotting it from the Engineering Center.

young pilot Sep 29, 2021, 3:09 PM

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Took some time but I'm finally getting around to implementing shards, here is my code if anyone wants to see how its implemented:

const shards = [
    { name:'live-1', url:'https://war-service-live.foxholeservices.com/api'},
    { name:'live-2', url:'https://war-service-live-2.foxholeservices.com/api'},
    //{ name:'dev', url:'https://war-service-dev.foxholeservices.com/api'}
];

module.exports.updateWarData = function () {
    // Create data folder if it does not exist
    if(!fs.existsSync('data')) fs.mkdirSync('data');
    // Loop through shards
    shards.forEach(shard => {
        // Create folders for each shard
        if(!fs.existsSync(`data/${shard.name}`)) fs.mkdirSync(`data/${shard.name}`);
        
        // Query active regions
        queryRegions(shard).then(regions => {
            // Save regions to file
            fs.writeFileSync(`data/${shard.name}/regions.json`, JSON.stringify(regions, null, 1));

            // Query war state
            queryWarState(shard).then(data => {
                fs.writeFileSync(`data/${shard.name}/war.json`, JSON.stringify(data, null, 1));
            }).catch(error => {
                console.error(error);
            });

            // Query dynamic regions
            Promise.all(regions.map(region => queryRegionDynamic(shard, region))).then(data => {
                // Save dynamic regions to file
                fs.writeFileSync(`data/${shard.name}/dynamic.json`, JSON.stringify(data, null, 1));
            }).catch(error => {
                console.error(error);
            });

            // Query static regions
            Promise.all(regions.map(region => queryRegionStatic(shard, region))).then(data => {
                // Save static regions to file
                fs.writeFileSync(`data/${shard.name}/static.json`, JSON.stringify(data, null, 1));
            }).catch(error => {
                console.error(error);
            });
        }).catch(error => {
            console.error(error);
        });
    }); 
}

coral sundial Sep 29, 2021, 4:07 PM

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What is this languange

barren quarry Sep 29, 2021, 4:08 PM

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It's called javascript

coral sundial Sep 29, 2021, 4:08 PM

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This unholy scripture that looks like python but has the ; of c

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Oh

hexed raft Sep 29, 2021, 4:39 PM

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coral sundial This unholy scripture that looks like python but has the ; of c

Semicolons are optional with js

mossy pelican Sep 29, 2021, 6:42 PM

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optional? heresy

ancient egret Sep 29, 2021, 7:14 PM

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Mixed SemiColons and No Semicolons

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I try not to but it happens to me every time

barren quarry Sep 29, 2021, 7:37 PM

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Just use eslint and make it put semicolons for you lmao

languid harness Sep 29, 2021, 8:01 PM

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coral sundial This unholy scripture that looks like python but has the ; of c

Cant ever be python, it has closing brackets

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and we all know, python is a bitch and just uses tabs to indicate a cycle

mossy pelican Sep 29, 2021, 8:03 PM

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as a c/c++ enthusiast i can't do anything more than laugh in tears

pure sierra Sep 29, 2021, 8:11 PM

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code goes brrr

coral sundial Sep 29, 2021, 8:14 PM

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I love python

pure sierra Sep 29, 2021, 8:15 PM

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me too, it was a bit weird to begin with but its very usefull

coral sundial Sep 29, 2021, 8:15 PM

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I am create snake in phyton and I will call it phiton (no not the dutch word for python, but the rollercoaster in the efteling)

pure sierra Sep 29, 2021, 8:15 PM

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and widely adopted

long raft Sep 29, 2021, 8:20 PM

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python uses tabs?

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was just digging into yaml, come to find out it specifically excludes using tabs in it's white spacing

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evidently tabs are handled differently all over the place

mossy pelican Sep 29, 2021, 8:21 PM

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tabs?
u mean
this?

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or what am i missing

long raft Sep 29, 2021, 8:22 PM

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\t as opposed to a bunch of spaces

mossy pelican Sep 29, 2021, 8:22 PM

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yea cant do tab on discord

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it selects the message box instead

long raft Sep 29, 2021, 8:22 PM

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  you can do it with code blocks

mossy pelican Sep 29, 2021, 8:23 PM

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thats still 2 spaces on my end

long raft Sep 29, 2021, 8:23 PM

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well i typed a tab

pure sierra Sep 29, 2021, 8:23 PM

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you can use tabs or 4 space

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i prefer tabs

long raft Sep 29, 2021, 8:23 PM

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cause tabs are not like a ... replacement for 4 spaces

pure sierra Sep 29, 2021, 8:23 PM

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but you cant mix them

long raft Sep 29, 2021, 8:23 PM

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tabs are much more complicated and interact with tab stops

mossy pelican Sep 29, 2021, 8:23 PM

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im glad c++ doesnt care about that

long raft Sep 29, 2021, 8:24 PM

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but i know a lot of python people use yaml, and its interesting to me yaml bans them

mossy pelican Sep 29, 2021, 8:24 PM

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leading to this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEqXNfs_HhY

YouTube

Lex Fridman

Donut-shaped C code that generates a 3D spinning donut

"Donut math: how donut.c works" blog post by Andy Sloane:
https://www.a1k0n.net/2011/07/20/donut-math.html

Deobfuscated code: https://bit.ly/2BITbQm

▶ Play video

languid harness Sep 29, 2021, 11:30 PM

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long raft but i know a lot of python people use yaml, and its interesting to me yaml bans ...

sometimes, you need a break of tabbing 😉

jagged talon Sep 30, 2021, 1:40 AM

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Me, on a slow day at work: https://www.pinterest.com/pin/525936062716867330/

Joshua Derry

Fancy Mobile | Workstation, Color changing lights, Geeky gadgets

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Me the day before a sprint closes: https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ef/c1/b5/efc1b5dc792c67d97fde30b2f0956f72.gif

full fog Sep 30, 2021, 4:58 AM

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Hey I'm a data science student and I was wondering if/how I could access data on all 83 wars.

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maybe I'm missing something but the API is only for the current war

pure sierra Sep 30, 2021, 4:59 AM

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correct

full fog Sep 30, 2021, 4:59 AM

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I'd like to see if I can make a model to predict who will win

pure sierra Sep 30, 2021, 5:00 AM

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there's not enough data types available,

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have you looked at the limited amount of data in the api ?

full fog Sep 30, 2021, 5:01 AM

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it would still be interesting to try, I'm pretty sure the number of casualties is correlated to winner but thats just a hunch

pure sierra Sep 30, 2021, 5:01 AM

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i have some data from all wars, but the game has changed lots

full fog Sep 30, 2021, 5:01 AM

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yeah but I can't do much with the API since it doesn't have enough historical data

long raft Sep 30, 2021, 5:07 AM

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kastow's got the data

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its complicated to unroll tho

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hes got a compressed format

pure sierra Sep 30, 2021, 5:12 AM

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@full fog i can provide it too you but you are better off focusing on your real life than foxhole data , just let me warn you that first wardenlol HBjoy

full fog Sep 30, 2021, 5:48 AM

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pure sierra <@!694983036890251364> i can provide it too you but you are better off focusing ...

I'd appreciate that. I'ts just going to be a fun (maybe?) little side project

languid harness Sep 30, 2021, 6:57 AM

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Strange sense of fun 😉

proven quail Sep 30, 2021, 12:24 PM

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... -. .... .-.

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Code chat...

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Morse code...

hexed raft Sep 30, 2021, 3:02 PM

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full fog it would still be interesting to try, I'm pretty sure the number of casualties i...

You could make an argument that logistics infrastructure is the determining factor here, not casualties per side.

Are there more casualties on one side due to a lack of supplies/tech?
Were there instances where one side had a higher amount of casualties but still won that war due to consistent resupply of their war fronts?
There are also scenarios where one side would have had even more casualties in a prolonged fight for a hex/city/base but lacked shirts/supplies and it fell more quickly than if it had the logistics to support it.

Overall, an interesting data set to look at and think about though, I feel.

full fog Sep 30, 2021, 4:45 PM

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hexed raft You could make an argument that logistics infrastructure is the determining fact...

It would be nice to have data on resource gathering rates and tech though I doubt the devs would publicly release that type of data if they even have it

inland panther Oct 1, 2021, 4:02 AM

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first time player. colonials or wardens?

long raft Oct 1, 2021, 4:03 AM

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warden

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if you have to ask why, then youre a natural warden

languid harness Oct 1, 2021, 7:30 AM

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Lmao

old ibex Oct 1, 2021, 9:29 AM

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inland panther first time player. colonials or wardens?

warden, if you get depressed because some clanmen are stupid, try colonial, if you are still depressed shard 2

bronze rain Oct 1, 2021, 1:14 PM

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Warden for hard mode, colonial for easy mode.

old ibex Oct 1, 2021, 1:57 PM

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bronze rain Warden for hard mode, colonial for easy mode.

Ok but the fiddler tho

bronze rain Oct 1, 2021, 2:09 PM

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old ibex Ok but the fiddler tho

Ok but the ISG, Bain, mpt, argenti, Ltd, earlier artillery, better roads tho

old ibex Oct 1, 2021, 2:13 PM

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Agree with ISG, arty and MPT and LTD (altough I do like some of the warden alternatives a lot), disagree on bane a bit and on argenti a lot. THe roads no idea, never drove there

bronze rain Oct 1, 2021, 2:17 PM

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old ibex Agree with ISG, arty and MPT and LTD (altough I do like some of the warden alter...

The wardens have mountains which is both a blessing and a curse. This causes our roads to be very curvy and winding.

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The collies have a highway protected by a wall

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The reason I would say wardens are on hard mode is simply the usability of many of the weapons and vehicles

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Sure we have things like the fiddler, but that’s an outlier.

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Many of our vehicles are costly and slow, making them less user friendly.

old ibex Oct 1, 2021, 2:22 PM

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I agree on a lot of vehicles, but foxhole balance as a whole is a zigzag and everyone knows it

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"Nerf SVH!" devs: ok (nerfs SVH and buffs MPT) "Nerf MPT!" devs: ok {rinse repeat}

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but it does keep our winrates close to 50:50

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Which I would like if it was natural, but the artificial 50:50 is feeling weird

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I dont know who would be winning with exactly the same tech tree, would be a fun experiment

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April fools update: merged collie and warden tech trees to make for a more fair game

old ibex Oct 1, 2021, 2:26 PM

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bronze rain The reason I would say wardens are on hard mode is simply the usability of many ...

So skill floor? Thats a reasonable take

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You are saying that the base skill required to correctly make use of a lot of weapons is quite high and makes an warden noob worth less than a collie noob if i got you right?

bronze rain Oct 1, 2021, 2:27 PM

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Yeah pretty much

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Kind of

old ibex Oct 1, 2021, 2:28 PM

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oh also very off-topic

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the whole conversation

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to #code-talk

bronze rain Oct 1, 2021, 2:28 PM

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Yeah

frozen oriole Oct 1, 2021, 8:05 PM

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inland panther first time player. colonials or wardens?

Noot, try both sides and make your own judgment

long raft Oct 1, 2021, 11:31 PM

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so it anyone else having problems with the labels in the API - seems like the most obvious one i see is reaching river. i dont have a label on the relic base, but instead reaching river is a minor location name in another region

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i sure suspect the API is out of date but i don't want to make an issue about it without confirmation

timber onyx Oct 2, 2021, 1:24 AM

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i fucking hate everything that has ever existed

pure sierra Oct 2, 2021, 1:28 AM

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@timber onyx

timber onyx Oct 2, 2021, 1:29 AM

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are you making a guitar pedal

long raft Oct 2, 2021, 1:48 AM

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are those mini dvds from like 2005?

lunar cobalt Oct 2, 2021, 2:14 AM

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timber onyx i fucking hate everything that has ever existed

... what is that abomination

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and why isn't the wire going to D23 on the outside????

timber onyx Oct 2, 2021, 2:16 AM

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@lunar cobalt sometimes life is just completely unfair

lunar cobalt Oct 2, 2021, 2:16 AM

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....

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that's pure pain

timber onyx Oct 2, 2021, 2:17 AM

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at least i got this cool effect going on, looks like it's in 3D!

pure sierra Oct 2, 2021, 2:45 AM

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long raft are those mini dvds from like 2005?

yep dvd-rw even ! for a little handycam

long raft Oct 2, 2021, 3:35 AM

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Oh I have one of those cameras

exotic steppe Oct 3, 2021, 6:35 PM

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I think i've seen this in here once or twice but can't find it, it was an archive of all the current map files already chopped into hex format ?

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if anyone has it or link it would be greatly appreciated

mossy pelican Oct 3, 2021, 6:42 PM

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exotic steppe I think i've seen this in here once or twice but can't find it, it was an archiv...

https://github.com/Kastow/Foxhole-Map-Tiles/ this, maybe?

GitHub

GitHub - Kastow/Foxhole-Map-Tiles

Contribute to Kastow/Foxhole-Map-Tiles development by creating an account on GitHub.

exotic steppe Oct 3, 2021, 6:42 PM

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thats got all the imgs chopped into squares at 6 diff zoom levels

mossy pelican Oct 3, 2021, 6:43 PM

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exotic steppe thats got all the imgs chopped into squares at 6 diff zoom levels

https://github.com/clapfoot/warapi/tree/master/Images/Maps then maybe this?

GitHub

warapi/Images/Maps at master · clapfoot/warapi

The War API allows developers to query information about the state of the current Foxhole war. - warapi/Images/Maps at master · clapfoot/warapi

exotic steppe Oct 3, 2021, 6:45 PM

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I mean like this:

mossy pelican Oct 3, 2021, 6:45 PM

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mossy pelican https://github.com/clapfoot/warapi/tree/master/Images/Maps then maybe this?

yes its here

exotic steppe Oct 3, 2021, 6:45 PM

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cept the white is transparent

long raft Oct 4, 2021, 1:53 AM

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the warapi images have transparency, although its broke AF

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you need a good tga editor to open them

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or ya know just convert them, ffmpeg -i "input.TGA" "output.png"

lunar cobalt Oct 4, 2021, 2:07 AM

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If you have Adobe Media Encoder it will do PNG to TGA correctly, it's a bit finnicky though

long raft Oct 4, 2021, 2:23 AM

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it is a curious format. i wonder if theyre using it for the map in game

lunar cobalt Oct 4, 2021, 2:24 AM

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all the images in-game are .tga

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probably because tga handles alpha better than png

long raft Oct 4, 2021, 2:27 AM

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does it?

lunar cobalt Oct 4, 2021, 2:27 AM

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lemme specify, for a while PS didn't like saving alpha on PNGs

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It was fine for TGAs though

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It's been a while since I last saved an Alpha'd png in PS so I dunno

long raft Oct 4, 2021, 2:28 AM

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why is everything dominated by photoshop

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like wtf

lunar cobalt Oct 4, 2021, 2:28 AM

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because Adobe killed all the competitors?

long raft Oct 4, 2021, 2:28 AM

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nah even png sucks these days with high range colors

lunar cobalt Oct 4, 2021, 2:29 AM

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what, gonna be using AVIF

long raft Oct 4, 2021, 2:29 AM

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avif huh?

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does it alpha?

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what i want is like ... 128 bit floating point image with lossless options

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with wide support. also i want a pony

lunar cobalt Oct 4, 2021, 2:30 AM

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It has really good HDR support

long raft Oct 4, 2021, 2:30 AM

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its gonna be like 12 bit color tho huh

lunar cobalt Oct 4, 2021, 2:31 AM

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I think that's what it is

long raft Oct 4, 2021, 2:31 AM

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hmm its av1 must be killer compression

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yea 12 bit color is hot, and i appreciate the human eye can only see so much variation

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i just wish i had an awesome image format i could use for intermediate work, so keeping a much higher level of precision

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im sure that would compress well.

lunar cobalt Oct 4, 2021, 2:32 AM

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if it's not designed for final I don't really care how big it is

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That's why i work with RAW files whenever possible for photos

long raft Oct 4, 2021, 2:32 AM

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yea i guess i just want raw lol

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with some definition that has alpha

sonic mulch Oct 4, 2021, 9:43 PM

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........

summer bobcat Oct 4, 2021, 10:22 PM

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yes

sonic mulch Oct 5, 2021, 8:18 PM

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code-talk

coral sundial Oct 5, 2021, 8:53 PM

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whats wrong?

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do you want some OOP snake game code?

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I got it

earnest glade Oct 6, 2021, 12:30 AM

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coral sundial do you want some OOP snake game code?

Sounds like an assignment from a 2nd year college class

coral sundial Oct 6, 2021, 1:49 PM

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well yes but no

unreal cloak Oct 7, 2021, 8:48 PM

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Wow that’s super cool, the tiler and WarApi

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https://www.terracotta.org

Terracotta

Java's most widely used cache.

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There is a database that automatically slices and serves tiles, but they have to be TIFF with location data

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Does anyone on here work as a game dev?

lucid ridge Oct 7, 2021, 9:37 PM

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define work

pure sierra Oct 8, 2021, 12:27 AM

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for foxhole or otherwise ?@unreal cloak

unreal cloak Oct 8, 2021, 12:46 AM

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both, either

unreal cloak Oct 8, 2021, 12:46 AM

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lucid ridge define work

paid to do it

kind glacier Oct 8, 2021, 9:45 AM

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Don't suppose anyone has a picture of Kastow's tiled maps put together?

kind glacier Oct 8, 2021, 10:07 AM

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lmao Origin has the region id 42

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well played

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So does the world extent work?

worldly locust Oct 8, 2021, 4:42 PM

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Does anyone have information on current projects for Foxhole disc bots? Either in progress or plans?

long raft Oct 8, 2021, 5:54 PM

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the satellite map, timber?

worldly locust Oct 8, 2021, 8:20 PM

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Is that the map that shows current structures n stuff? I’m interested in helping with development related to bots or sites n things that help out foxhole players

kind glacier Oct 8, 2021, 8:54 PM

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long raft the satellite map, timber?

The regular map. The one on your git is really small.

pure sierra Oct 8, 2021, 8:56 PM

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@kind glacier try https://foxholestats.com/tiles/worldmap.png

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@worldly locust maybe try a search of this channel

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@Seabass#0062 I'm not sure there are many/ any game developers here other than the official ones. Mostly we are developing outside

worldly locust Oct 8, 2021, 9:00 PM

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gotcha. thanks!

kind glacier Oct 8, 2021, 9:36 PM

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pure sierra <@154635167980322816> try https://foxholestats.com/tiles/worldmap.png

Thanks, that ought to do the trick. Now to figure out how to get the new labels in the right places

pure sierra Oct 8, 2021, 9:37 PM

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You mean locations corrected?

kind glacier Oct 8, 2021, 9:37 PM

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yes

pure sierra Oct 8, 2021, 9:37 PM

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I don't think any one bothers

kind glacier Oct 8, 2021, 9:38 PM

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So none of the labels are in the right place?

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curious

kind glacier Oct 8, 2021, 10:23 PM

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@pure sierra How'd you get the town names for the new tiles to show up in their proper places?

mossy pelican Oct 8, 2021, 10:31 PM

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kind glacier <@!311797319999684609> How'd you get the town names for the new tiles to show up...

GET /worldconquest/maps/:mapName/static

Static map data includes things that never change over the lifecycle of a map. This includes map text labels, resource nodes, and world structures.

You only need to request this once per map between World Conquests.

this?

kind glacier Oct 8, 2021, 10:33 PM

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mossy pelican GET /worldconquest/maps/:mapName/static Static map data includes things that ne...

No, I mean where they need to go. (Same with icons, really.)
The ones before Entrenched got mathed out, but not the new ones. They just clump together in the middle.

mossy pelican Oct 8, 2021, 10:34 PM

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oh you mean the labels position

kind glacier Oct 8, 2021, 10:34 PM

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yes

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since the x and y in the API are relative to the tile center rather than the map center

mossy pelican Oct 8, 2021, 10:35 PM

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you need this i think

The minimum and maximum in-game world units. Used for mapping normalized coordinates to in-game coordinates.

WorldExtent.Minimum = (-109199.999997, -94499.99999580906968410989)
WorldExtent.Maximum = (109199.999997, 94499.99999580906968410989)

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to convert the coordinates

kind glacier Oct 8, 2021, 10:37 PM

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Yeah, but how does that work

barren quarry Oct 8, 2021, 10:37 PM

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two years ago i wrote a method that converts region coordinates to world coordinates

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actually world extent is not used in the calculations

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because object coordinates are floats ranging from 0 to 1

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you need to first find out where the region center is

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and then offset the coordinates in the needed direction

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but since it doesnt look like you're using leaflet, its useless to you

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leaflet has this autistic coordinate system

kind glacier Oct 8, 2021, 10:54 PM

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Tried using leaflet once, it didn't go well

barren quarry Oct 8, 2021, 10:55 PM

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looks nice

long raft Oct 8, 2021, 11:08 PM

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i keep a towns.json file if you want to harvest it

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but im angry because some region names appear incorrect

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i dont ... think the API is up to date

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the major locations appear right (although some missing) but the minor locations I suspect are incorrect, still looking for confirmation on this

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see no relic base label in cal's pass for this:

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but the minor location name (the same name reaching river) appears in the wrong map:

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i assumed maybe its a duplicate name and the minor comes last so overwrites it, but thats not it either

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i think the api is broke but making an issue on github seems ... fruitless

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also i dont want to complain about it if its a derp problem

mossy pelican Oct 8, 2021, 11:12 PM

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it is a duplicate name apparently

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@long raft this is straight out of foxholestats. may wanna check if its overwriting

long raft Oct 8, 2021, 11:13 PM

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its the first thing i checked. hmm

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i will check again

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thanks for checking though

long raft Oct 9, 2021, 2:00 AM

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oof it was the thing i specifically checked. that fixed it. glad i didnt make an issue

mossy pelican Oct 9, 2021, 2:19 AM

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lol nice

timber onyx Oct 9, 2021, 7:55 PM

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fossil phoenix Oct 9, 2021, 9:30 PM

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timber onyx

Oof I play around with JavaScript from time to time... comments are necessary for a project to not get scrapped. 🤣

long raft Oct 9, 2021, 10:14 PM

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writing comments is admitting your code is bad.

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#idontmakemistakes

lunar cobalt Oct 9, 2021, 10:15 PM

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long raft oof it was the thing i specifically checked. that fixed it. glad i didnt make an...

👀

long raft Oct 9, 2021, 10:16 PM

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do any of you have a project that youd share at a job interview as proof of your work? say you were applying for a job using a language you dont know, but you want to demonstrate your ability

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cause stuff you do for an employer is usually awful

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like embarassing

olive hamlet Oct 9, 2021, 10:19 PM

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Depends on the job

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Last job I applied for I wrote a quick python program that took a list of URLs, and dumped their status code back out again

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Really simple 15 minute application but gave them a taster of my style and abilities, in an area similar to what they were working on (SRE)

long raft Oct 9, 2021, 10:29 PM

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i hear almost nobody has like functional projects they can easily demonstrate

timber onyx Oct 9, 2021, 11:53 PM

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i think it's even harder when you're writing code for hardware

lunar cobalt Oct 9, 2021, 11:54 PM

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or proprietary code for proprietary hardware

timber onyx Oct 9, 2021, 11:54 PM

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how do you demonstrate you can make something that works well with a specific component if you dont have it on hand, or even worse, if it's made by the company you made the code for

kind glacier Oct 10, 2021, 2:18 AM

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Don't really think anyone would care, but after rewatching the beginner's guide for the nth time, I couldn't help but try and experiment myself.

mossy pelican Oct 10, 2021, 4:16 AM

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is this a non-euclidean experiment?

knotty folio Oct 10, 2021, 5:28 AM

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kind glacier Don't really think anyone would care, but after rewatching the beginner's guide ...

Nice job! 😄

kind glacier Oct 10, 2021, 11:02 AM

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mossy pelican is this a non-euclidean experiment?

Nothing quite so fancy, I'm afraid

glad whale Oct 10, 2021, 4:08 PM

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🐸

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If someone wants it, Height maps: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1W2DsUkWJB7cC_hpr_4tKxNibnRW3HhOX/view?usp=sharing

Google Docs

Foxhole_HeightMaps.zip

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Normal maps: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1dezH3fpPg_3bnx5VXXr2fsJiYAlGa7zV/view?usp=sharing

Google Docs

Foxhole_NormalMaps.zip

mossy pelican Oct 10, 2021, 5:06 PM

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Height maps you say

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Do those extend outside the borders? Im assuming thats why they are pixelated and with deformed shapes

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@long raft were you the one that wanted height maps?

long raft Oct 10, 2021, 5:13 PM

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Yes!

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How??

glad whale Oct 10, 2021, 5:21 PM

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Extracted "raw" tiles with vector info from game's files using UEViewer and then wrote a lil python script to "stitch" them together and convert to Height and Normal maps

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the island maps are not included tho because theres a certain bug with UEViewer

barren quarry Oct 10, 2021, 5:23 PM

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impressive

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@glad whale is this what you used?

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or are there some other files

glad whale Oct 10, 2021, 5:33 PM

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nah

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i used these

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violet - greenish ones

long raft Oct 10, 2021, 6:01 PM

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I've seen those, no idea how they could be stitched tho

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Well this will be fun calculating new road distances with accuracy

pure sierra Oct 10, 2021, 7:57 PM

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@glad whale nice one, topo map here we come

kind glacier Oct 10, 2021, 7:59 PM

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(reposted message cuz I remembered FOD has a higher upload limit)
Decided I needed to rethink my approach though you can see it's still finicky and figured I'd skip blockout entirely and go with some free unity assets to save myself the trouble of replacing it all later.

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Dunno if I'll keep this going to the point of an actual game. So far I'm having fun doing it and that's what keeps the ball rolling.

mossy pelican Oct 10, 2021, 8:11 PM

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👏

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very nice

lunar cobalt Oct 10, 2021, 8:12 PM

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ablobdance

languid harness Oct 10, 2021, 8:29 PM

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nice work @kind glacier !

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See you are making a lot of progress

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👌

kind glacier Oct 10, 2021, 8:32 PM

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languid harness See you are making a lot of progress

I'm treading both old and new ground. Had a blockout of several rooms when I decided I couldn't just rely on a fixed raycast. That meant you'd had to actively look at something to trigger the change. Now I check whether or not I'm looking at the thing that changes.

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But now I'm back to just a room and corridor

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though the door asset came with an animation, so that took a bit to figure out

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the check is finicky in that while the object might not be on screen, it's close enough to the edge be considered visible anyway. Hence the double take at the door.

languid harness Oct 10, 2021, 8:42 PM

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ah

pure sierra Oct 10, 2021, 8:44 PM

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@glad whale what is difference between your 'normal' and 'height' maps

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I found this 'plugin' for gimp and tried it out
https://www.cartographersguild.com/showthread.php?t=25929

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some things line/match up, others may not

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generated from Deadlands_HeightMap.png

lunar cobalt Oct 10, 2021, 8:54 PM

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This map is old, but it's the image that Matt posted of the Deadlands heightmap, maybe run it against that and compare? https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/523401134107525121/753284429404831764/unknown.png

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They look the same visually though

pure sierra Oct 10, 2021, 8:55 PM

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his is much lower rez, but ill run it

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mats,

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(finer line looks much better)

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just for reference

lunar cobalt Oct 10, 2021, 9:04 PM

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hmmm that works pretty well

pure sierra Oct 10, 2021, 9:05 PM

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im running it on the full rez again with finer lines

lunar cobalt Oct 10, 2021, 9:05 PM

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how long is it taking for each one?

pure sierra Oct 10, 2021, 9:06 PM

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it seems to take like 5 mins on the outside edge, not sure why but it gets thhere eventually

lunar cobalt Oct 10, 2021, 9:06 PM

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huh, weird

pure sierra Oct 10, 2021, 9:06 PM

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once the edge is done about 30 sec for the main content

lunar cobalt Oct 10, 2021, 9:06 PM

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killjoyserr

pure sierra Oct 10, 2021, 9:06 PM

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i suspect something to do with black outside, and it draws a line for each step up from black to the first color of edge

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i tried deleting to transparent but no effect

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maybe if i fill with a color closer to the map base elevation

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same problem (i filled black with water color), spends like 1000 iteration on the canvas edge now, there would be a reason but cant work it out right now, will just let it finish. if you need to stop it (the cancel buttons dont work) you just delet the active layer it adds while its building it up and that kills it

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lunar cobalt Oct 10, 2021, 9:16 PM

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looks good

pure sierra Oct 10, 2021, 9:16 PM

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i know doesnt it

lunar cobalt Oct 10, 2021, 9:16 PM

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oohhhh, I just realized something

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those squares that this got made from are what generate the map in-engine, that's why we could never find full map files in the engine or find their streaming data

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so the client does the rendering calculations for terrain color / texture and stuff

pure sierra Oct 10, 2021, 9:18 PM

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for the in game map screen ?

lunar cobalt Oct 10, 2021, 9:18 PM

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no, for what you walk around in

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the in-game map screen is made up of processed hexmaps

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like these, stitched together

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but the square master maps are what the engine uses to generate the terrain you're walking in

pure sierra Oct 10, 2021, 9:20 PM

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im thinking the map you show above is wrong then

lunar cobalt Oct 10, 2021, 9:20 PM

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?

pure sierra Oct 10, 2021, 9:21 PM

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lines up better, but the dark brawn patches dont seem to make sense

lunar cobalt Oct 10, 2021, 9:22 PM

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the one I posted is from Matt, and he posted it multiple updates ago

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wouldn't surprise me if something has changed

pure sierra Oct 10, 2021, 9:22 PM

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no i mean the hex warapi one just above

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lunar cobalt Oct 10, 2021, 9:22 PM

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mountains aren't terrain so they won't show up on the topo map

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they're just big rock objects

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they don't change the height of the terrain under them

pure sierra Oct 10, 2021, 9:23 PM

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so rocks are not in the height map ??

lunar cobalt Oct 10, 2021, 9:23 PM

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nope, because they don't alter the ground terrain

pure sierra Oct 10, 2021, 9:23 PM

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ok

mossy pelican Oct 10, 2021, 10:09 PM

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@pure sierra what script did you use to do those outlines?

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the contour map thing

pure sierra Oct 10, 2021, 10:18 PM

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@mossy pelican it's linked above

mossy pelican Oct 10, 2021, 10:22 PM

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my computer thinks the scripts are starcraft scenarios lol 😛

kind glacier Oct 10, 2021, 11:38 PM

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That's enough for today

lunar cobalt Oct 10, 2021, 11:45 PM

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nice! looks cool

stone void Oct 11, 2021, 2:28 AM

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Yeah, how long did it take?

long raft Oct 11, 2021, 3:03 AM

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that topography map looks cool

cerulean urchin Oct 11, 2021, 3:09 AM

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glad whale If someone wants it, Height maps: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1W2DsUkWJB7cC_...

Thank you Rust, these heightmaps are sick!

long raft Oct 11, 2021, 3:12 AM

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yea really we have wanted these for years

mossy pelican Oct 11, 2021, 3:58 AM

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pure sierra mats,

does anyone know how the contour algorithm works? i would like to implement it in c++ for my personal use but i have no idea how it works

lunar cobalt Oct 11, 2021, 4:06 AM

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it draws a vector line along a color border

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So first it differentiates the colors into layers, and then draws lines around their edges

pure sierra Oct 11, 2021, 6:18 AM

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@mossy pelican open in text editor

📎 contour_map.scm

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in my quick research i also found this page

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https://www.gamedeveloper.com/programming/an-algorithm-for-generating-contour-maps-or-how-i-discovered-world-machine-was-mangling-my-terrain

barren quarry Oct 11, 2021, 2:25 PM

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https://github.com/clapfoot/warapi/issues/92

GitHub

WarAPI malfunctions during server restarts · Issue #92 · clapfoot/w...

Below is the output of dynamic data for Fisherman's Row at 14:18 GMT on October 11 2021. It only outputs several types of objects, and those that it outputs, it does with teamId NONE. This ...

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enough is enough

pure sierra Oct 11, 2021, 7:35 PM

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@zealous sonnet

lapis prism Oct 12, 2021, 3:52 AM

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Trying to extract the map files for the game to use in an animation but im having trouble finding what they are in the first place

flint basin Oct 12, 2021, 7:38 AM

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kind glacier That's enough for today

i have to admit that really reminds me of subnautica

pure sierra Oct 12, 2021, 10:08 AM

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these settings are much faster, to get going, would just need to check all tiles to see that there is no grey scale value outside range 120-150

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only takes about 10 sec to make

languid harness Oct 12, 2021, 1:58 PM

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😮

cerulean urchin Oct 12, 2021, 3:08 PM

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That's an amazing contour map! Later today I wanna take a closer look at that plugin to see if I can add color for various heights.

Blue for water, green for valleys, gray/white for mountain peaks would be sick to overlay with city names / roads

mental granite Oct 12, 2021, 4:21 PM

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I'm excited to see Caoiva rendered as a giant tabletop 3D surface

lunar cobalt Oct 12, 2021, 4:44 PM

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The thing that annoys me about that plug-in is they aren’t vector lines

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If it was for inkscape it’d be so amazing

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Because then I could pretty easily laser cut a foxhole map

cerulean urchin Oct 12, 2021, 4:52 PM

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Yeah vector would have been a lot better tbh

glad whale Oct 12, 2021, 4:53 PM

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cerulean urchin That's an amazing contour map! Later today I wanna take a closer look at that pl...

something like this?

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/894234036006944808/897525979126308934/unknown.png

lunar cobalt Oct 12, 2021, 4:54 PM

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Whoa

glad whale Oct 12, 2021, 4:54 PM

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heres side view

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/894234036006944808/897526723464290394/unknown.png

lunar cobalt Oct 12, 2021, 4:54 PM

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Does that program output vectors by chance

glad whale Oct 12, 2021, 4:54 PM

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dunno its just blender

lunar cobalt Oct 12, 2021, 4:54 PM

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So no

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Damn, means I have to make it manually

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That looks amazing though

long raft Oct 12, 2021, 5:32 PM

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glad whale https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/894234036006944808/897526723464290394/unk...

poggers

cerulean urchin Oct 12, 2021, 5:47 PM

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glad whale https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/894234036006944808/897525979126308934/unk...

I was thinking of just the contour lines being the colors, but that's equally as impressive 😮

summer bobcat Oct 12, 2021, 6:25 PM

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glad whale https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/894234036006944808/897526723464290394/unk...

this is a major advancement! 🤩

mental granite Oct 12, 2021, 6:25 PM

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You might have to adjust some of that scaling

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it's been a while since I was at the Pits but I don't remember them being that trypophobia inducing

lunar cobalt Oct 12, 2021, 7:34 PM

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yeah each layer is a bit too high I think

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but it's pretty damn close

celest cobalt Oct 12, 2021, 8:26 PM

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in python.
variable =
""""""

what does this mean and why is the backslash there<

pure sierra Oct 12, 2021, 8:47 PM

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@glad whalevery cool, how did you get the rock data too ?

mossy pelican Oct 12, 2021, 8:51 PM

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celest cobalt in python. variable = \ """""" what does this mean and why is the backslash th...

the \ is a line continuation

variable =
""""""

is equal to

variable = """"""

afaik

pure sierra Oct 12, 2021, 8:52 PM

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i know in bash it is, not sure about python

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prob is too

mossy pelican Oct 12, 2021, 8:52 PM

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x =
1
print(x)

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https://www.programiz.com/python-programming/online-compiler/

Online Python Compiler (Interpreter)

Write and run Python code using our online compiler (interpreter). You can use Python Shell like IDLE, and take inputs from the user in our Python compiler.

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tested there

pure sierra Oct 12, 2021, 8:52 PM

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cool

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i learnt something

mossy pelican Oct 12, 2021, 8:53 PM

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have a beer to celebrate

pure sierra Oct 12, 2021, 11:03 PM

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@glad whale islands please HBjoy wardenlol

languid harness Oct 12, 2021, 11:06 PM

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Oh, never knew

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I always threw a

X = """
Text
"""

pure sierra Oct 12, 2021, 11:12 PM

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bronze rain Oct 12, 2021, 11:15 PM

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man, thats cool

lunar cobalt Oct 12, 2021, 11:24 PM

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I just wish it was vector

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blobsad

pure sierra Oct 12, 2021, 11:25 PM

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meh

lunar cobalt Oct 12, 2021, 11:27 PM

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If it's not vector I can't laser engrave it which is why I'm annoyed, because I don't want to do it by hand

long raft Oct 12, 2021, 11:28 PM

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you could trim the hexes

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looks awesome tho

barren quarry Oct 12, 2021, 11:29 PM

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pure sierra

need help with the algo to trim sat hexes?

long raft Oct 12, 2021, 11:29 PM

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the borders are funky huh

pure sierra Oct 12, 2021, 11:29 PM

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i did height tile prep in gimp bimp (batch)

long raft Oct 12, 2021, 11:30 PM

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theyre all normalized differently arent they

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i think thats what matt implied about the elevation data

pure sierra Oct 12, 2021, 11:30 PM

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orly

lunar cobalt Oct 12, 2021, 11:30 PM

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yeah I'd suspect so

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So the "low" point in terrain in one area might be the high point in the next map

long raft Oct 12, 2021, 11:30 PM

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low terrain seems to all be grouped into the same strata

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seems like it needs to be scaled exponentially first

honest trail Oct 12, 2021, 11:31 PM

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Forgot this place existed

lunar cobalt Oct 12, 2021, 11:31 PM

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hi

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Like how the north side of deadlands is higher than the south, the south side of CP is based off that

barren quarry Oct 12, 2021, 11:31 PM

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@pure sierra you have offset issues

pure sierra Oct 12, 2021, 11:31 PM

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scroll up to #code-talk message

long raft Oct 12, 2021, 11:32 PM

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what does it look like in grayscale (combined)?

pure sierra Oct 12, 2021, 11:33 PM

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yeah could spend more time on alignment but i got it close enough for now

long raft Oct 12, 2021, 11:33 PM

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maybe itll look better after masking the hexes

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they wont have overlap issues then

pure sierra Oct 12, 2021, 11:34 PM

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yeah, i tried to do that, but couldnt work out how to do it with my batch processor

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could do them individually, but meh

lunar cobalt Oct 12, 2021, 11:34 PM

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Howl County is way out of alignment

honest trail Oct 12, 2021, 11:34 PM

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pure sierra scroll up to https://discord.com/channels/203512636556574720/523401134107525121/...

Thank you o7

long raft Oct 12, 2021, 11:34 PM

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yea thats what i do, individually, then combine

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and the low elevation should be boosted ...

lunar cobalt Oct 12, 2021, 11:34 PM

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All of the northeastern maps are vertically misaligned by a lot

long raft Oct 12, 2021, 11:35 PM

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but seeing topographical map totally changes my understanding of the map

lunar cobalt Oct 12, 2021, 11:35 PM

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northwestern too

pure sierra Oct 12, 2021, 11:35 PM

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the height maps from @glad whale are not evenly offset from warapi maps

long raft Oct 12, 2021, 11:35 PM

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oh

pure sierra Oct 12, 2021, 11:35 PM

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yeah, as if they would just line up

long raft Oct 12, 2021, 11:35 PM

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lol

pure sierra Oct 12, 2021, 11:36 PM

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📎 stage1.bimp

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i fill black edge with tranparent, autocrop, resize, crop with top left as origin to recenter, then crop again from center

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to get to 1024x888

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it was aligned correctly for dealands

long raft Oct 12, 2021, 11:38 PM

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autocrop hm?

pure sierra Oct 12, 2021, 11:38 PM

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crop to content

lunar cobalt Oct 12, 2021, 11:38 PM

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it gets more and more off the further you get from deadlands

long raft Oct 12, 2021, 11:39 PM

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that might be from how rust made them?

lunar cobalt Oct 12, 2021, 11:40 PM

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he patched them together from these things

pure sierra Oct 12, 2021, 11:40 PM

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possibly

lunar cobalt Oct 12, 2021, 11:40 PM

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... somehow

pure sierra Oct 12, 2021, 11:40 PM

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just tiled

pure sierra Oct 13, 2021, 12:12 AM

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you can see an example of different map height standards with this spot of water between tiles

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long raft Oct 13, 2021, 12:15 AM

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i think they each have their own scaling and offset

pure sierra Oct 13, 2021, 12:16 AM

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i dont think the are made to line up

lunar cobalt Oct 13, 2021, 12:16 AM

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^

pure sierra Oct 13, 2021, 12:16 AM

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as each height map is still only ever used individually

long raft Oct 13, 2021, 12:16 AM

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true, you never see them together

lunar cobalt Oct 13, 2021, 12:16 AM

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when you see the "other" map on the other side of the border it's actually just the map you're on

pure sierra Oct 13, 2021, 12:16 AM

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yep

long raft Oct 13, 2021, 12:16 AM

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oof this is a linear algebra problem

lunar cobalt Oct 13, 2021, 12:17 AM

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i'm out

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HBjoy

pure sierra Oct 13, 2021, 12:17 AM

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im not sure about the see the othher map thing

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if its your current map or not

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i tried to press them on this

lunar cobalt Oct 13, 2021, 12:17 AM

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it's your current map

long raft Oct 13, 2021, 12:17 AM

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?

pure sierra Oct 13, 2021, 12:18 AM

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need to get binoc and see how far can see

pure sierra Oct 13, 2021, 12:20 AM

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pure sierra i tried to press them on this

and they seemed confident it was loading the other map

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but i guess it depends who you talk to

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histogram shift

lunar cobalt Oct 13, 2021, 12:21 AM

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as of the last time I tossed myself above the world in an APC, I couldn't see the other maps as far as I remember

long raft Oct 13, 2021, 12:21 AM

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i doubt theyd load the whole map

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it would really obliterate texture memory id think

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even if youre not rendering invisible stuff youd have to load the textures into vram

lunar cobalt Oct 13, 2021, 12:25 AM

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"how to kill low end GPUs in one simple step!"

long raft Oct 13, 2021, 12:25 AM

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i think ironically it might not

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low end gpus on laptops might share system ram lol

lunar cobalt Oct 13, 2021, 12:26 AM

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mine does

pure sierra Oct 13, 2021, 12:26 AM

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i mjust jumping in game to check

lunar cobalt Oct 13, 2021, 12:26 AM

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6gb dedicated, 16gb shared

long raft Oct 13, 2021, 12:26 AM

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god i remember the old days. no shared memory.

lunar cobalt Oct 13, 2021, 12:26 AM

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my PC GPU doesn't do shared memory

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not a surprise though, it doesn't really need it

pure sierra Oct 13, 2021, 12:41 AM

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i think it does load/show the next map

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as im at a border with bino

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and can see a long way on next map

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further than shown on the height maps

lunar cobalt Oct 13, 2021, 12:43 AM

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hmm maybe it changed or me being way in the sky didn't show it properly

celest cobalt Oct 13, 2021, 6:59 AM

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would anyone be able to create an interactive map where you place two markers and it tells you parameters for the artirelly?

green wigeon Oct 13, 2021, 7:25 AM

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celest cobalt would anyone be able to create an interactive map where you place two markers an...

I believe that if you join Colonial Sigil, they have a tool for that

rigid estuary Oct 13, 2021, 9:37 AM

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May I ask what does the pulsing circle next to the casuals/hr mean and it's colour?

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On foxhole stats

worldly crest Oct 13, 2021, 11:07 AM

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This the place to post development suggestions?

coral sundial Oct 13, 2021, 11:20 AM

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#game-feedback-archive

pure sierra Oct 13, 2021, 6:49 PM

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@rigid estuary color representation of casualty rate, warmer = larger

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@long raft@lunar cobaltso i thought of a step i did that may well have led to the offset contours, I did a auto crop (crop to content) just to remove un-needed black but if the grey content was different sized between maps id end up with a different size content output that would get scaled to the same size

long raft Oct 13, 2021, 6:52 PM

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thinkeye

pure sierra Oct 13, 2021, 6:53 PM

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yep

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both at 33% zoom

long raft Oct 13, 2021, 6:55 PM

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autocrop seems dangerous

pure sierra Oct 13, 2021, 6:55 PM

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yeah not suitable in this situation

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i will need to mask each with same size hex

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this is with them vertically middle aligned

long raft Oct 13, 2021, 6:58 PM

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is it possible they are aligned the same? and its just texture sloppiness?

pure sierra Oct 13, 2021, 6:59 PM

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fingers crossed

long raft Oct 13, 2021, 6:59 PM

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what size are the images?

pure sierra Oct 13, 2021, 7:00 PM

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2395x2395

long raft Oct 13, 2021, 7:00 PM

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interesting. i would assume 2048 x 2048 is the real content

pure sierra Oct 13, 2021, 7:00 PM

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i got to go out to work , talk later

mossy pelican Oct 13, 2021, 7:38 PM

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pure sierra

which region is the one on the left?

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nvm its in the top of the image

mossy pelican Oct 13, 2021, 8:05 PM

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ok so

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i noticed something

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some images have a noticeable-ish border we can work with

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deadlands border

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@long raft what do you think

long raft Oct 13, 2021, 8:08 PM

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yea i mean im also hopeful they are all centered with slop-over that looks uncentered

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hopefully masking them gets it exact

mossy pelican Oct 13, 2021, 8:09 PM

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heartlands

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sadly only some have this

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weathered expanse for example doesn't

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unless this bottom line can be used

pure sierra Oct 13, 2021, 8:11 PM

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What derp said. Hope for the best

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And one rule can apply to all

long raft Oct 13, 2021, 8:12 PM

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maybe i can run a stitcher program on it now

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we dont have a height map for fisherman's row?

pure sierra Oct 13, 2021, 8:21 PM

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No island maps

mossy pelican Oct 13, 2021, 8:22 PM

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yea oar, tempest and godcrofts are missing too

pure sierra Oct 13, 2021, 8:22 PM

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On another note, possible the reason the maps are broken up into smaller tiles in the pak, is so at border it only loads bordering segments not the whole next map

long raft Oct 13, 2021, 8:23 PM

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yes

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they could just load the next height map tho they dont take up that much space

pure sierra Oct 13, 2021, 8:23 PM

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The height map might not but the world would

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I mean the 3d output of it

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Possible even within a map it does not load all the map but just the segments around you

mossy pelican Oct 13, 2021, 8:25 PM

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the height maps are made out of 63x63 pixels squares

long raft Oct 13, 2021, 8:25 PM

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here's my attempt

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guess thats not gonna load because too huge

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its only 1.5 mb

pure sierra Oct 13, 2021, 8:26 PM

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Should load

long raft Oct 13, 2021, 8:26 PM

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i think i squished the hexes lol

pure sierra Oct 13, 2021, 8:26 PM

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Up to about 15 mb load

long raft Oct 13, 2021, 8:26 PM

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its the dimensions that are choking it

pure sierra Oct 13, 2021, 8:26 PM

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Not showing on my phone though

long raft Oct 13, 2021, 8:26 PM

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it's like i have the wrong files in the wrong places, it looks funky.

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the hex ratio is 3/rad(2) right?

pure sierra Oct 13, 2021, 8:28 PM

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Don't ask me, I don't use it

long raft Oct 13, 2021, 8:28 PM

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i shall try again

pure sierra Oct 13, 2021, 8:29 PM

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Are you just cropping a central hex?

long raft Oct 13, 2021, 8:29 PM

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i think i am, but maybe im not

pure sierra Oct 13, 2021, 8:29 PM

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The maps are not centred to the height maps though

long raft Oct 13, 2021, 8:29 PM

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are you certain?

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pure sierra Oct 13, 2021, 8:30 PM

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Yes, if I generate contour, than add warapi map as new layer in centre it doesn't line up, you must offset it

long raft Oct 13, 2021, 8:30 PM

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yea looks like i need to center a little better

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but they seem to be consistent

pure sierra Oct 13, 2021, 8:31 PM

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That looks good

long raft Oct 13, 2021, 8:31 PM

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the new regions have a unified height

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i guess im masking it centered, so maybe they are off center, but i wonder if theyre off center consistently...

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itd be such a pain to manually test each one

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but it must be because it looks offset in the final

pure sierra Oct 13, 2021, 8:35 PM

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Like I said, I'd hope they are off centre equally

long raft Oct 13, 2021, 8:40 PM

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it would make sense to use the new regions as guides as they seem very consistent

rigid estuary Oct 13, 2021, 8:53 PM

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pure sierra <@!347787402032709632> color representation of casualty rate, warmer = larger

what about the pulse does it represent live casual rate?

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Sorry just trying to understand the stats

pure sierra Oct 13, 2021, 8:55 PM

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Yes, one pulse equals one casualty

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If I recall

rigid estuary Oct 13, 2021, 8:56 PM

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Thank you, do you have a git?

pure sierra Oct 13, 2021, 8:57 PM

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Not for this website, but I can share code snippets on request

rigid estuary Oct 13, 2021, 9:03 PM

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Never really dwelled into web dev so might be an interesting exercise

long raft Oct 14, 2021, 12:36 AM

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web development is the hardest development besides graphics

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its several languages, a handful of protocols, a ton of IT, backend, front end, data, security, and if youre crazy also, performance

mossy pelican Oct 14, 2021, 12:51 AM

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"Everyone thinks that they care about performance, but nobody bothers to measure it." - someone on stackoverflow

long raft Oct 14, 2021, 12:52 AM

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real truth

cerulean urchin Oct 14, 2021, 1:07 AM

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mossy pelican "Everyone thinks that they care about performance, but nobody bothers to measure...

"We care about the performance and conversion rates of our website, that's why we added 8 different tracking pixels so we can measure that!" - brand manager probably

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Only months later, you'll get a ticket asking why a website is so slow and what we can do to increase performance 🙃

lunar cobalt Oct 14, 2021, 1:08 AM

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Even better when blocking the tracking pixel completely breaks the website

long raft Oct 14, 2021, 1:10 AM

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whats a tracking pixel?

cerulean urchin Oct 14, 2021, 1:11 AM

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Analytics, scripts that "hook" into buttons or links for when someone leaves the site

lunar cobalt Oct 14, 2021, 1:13 AM

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“Tracking pixels” where they’re a single pixel wide are more common in emails, where they’ll be a 1x1 pixel icon that gets loaded from a website to see that it’s been opened

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All the main email senders (E.g. mailchimp) use them

long raft Oct 14, 2021, 1:15 AM

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oh ok

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thats what i need on logiwaze derpthink

mossy pelican Oct 14, 2021, 1:22 AM

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i despise tracking pixels

neat fossil Oct 14, 2021, 5:49 AM

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hi

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where do I get this funky warden role?

lunar cobalt Oct 14, 2021, 6:26 AM

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?warden

pure sierra Oct 14, 2021, 6:31 AM

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@long raft

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did use the height or normal named maps ?

long raft Oct 14, 2021, 6:34 AM

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height

pure sierra Oct 14, 2021, 6:34 AM

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seems to have lost some data

long raft Oct 14, 2021, 6:34 AM

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for sure its not right

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maybe my assumption 2048 was wrong

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or maybe my offsets were wrong

pure sierra Oct 14, 2021, 6:36 AM

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im not talking about alignment, (that is off thought it seems) but im talking about the contour lines

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some are missing

long raft Oct 14, 2021, 6:39 AM

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I didn't make any contour lines

pure sierra Oct 14, 2021, 6:39 AM

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i did

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thats as best as i could scale and align deadlands

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examples of lost data

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the height maps might even be at different scales HBjoy

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i tried to match world map to the outter edge of your compiled height map, its not too far off, but it seems some tiles are more off than others and int various directions

long raft Oct 14, 2021, 6:56 AM

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you mean different ranges?

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i think i did a sloppy job it would take more tinkering

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but because the new maps are unified height ranges it should be easier to match up

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it might help to have more info from rust, what he thinks about the centering issue

pure sierra Oct 14, 2021, 7:05 AM

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on another note, interesting to see where they build beaches

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just checked with stonecradle, and just resizing 46.68% down to 1118 pixels it center aligns with warapi map

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long raft Oct 14, 2021, 7:12 AM

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interesting...

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looks really centered

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do you know what dimensions i should crop the large images at then?

pure sierra Oct 14, 2021, 7:13 AM

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larger ?

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oh crop

long raft Oct 14, 2021, 7:13 AM

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well they are 2k+ size

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im cropping at 2048x2048 now

pure sierra Oct 14, 2021, 7:13 AM

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im trying again now

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resize 46.68% and crop to 1024x888

long raft Oct 14, 2021, 7:13 AM

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id prefer to keep detail

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i cannot do algebra in my head tonight

pure sierra Oct 14, 2021, 7:14 AM

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then zoom the warapi map instead

long raft Oct 14, 2021, 7:14 AM

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so ... 1024 / .4668?

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so 2194 roughly

pure sierra Oct 14, 2021, 7:14 AM

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depends what you want to do

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yeah

long raft Oct 14, 2021, 7:16 AM

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height comes out to be 1900 exactly... frysquint

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gonna try 2194x1900

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wow thats close

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problems with height, i see some borders only on the top and bottoms

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seems minor and fixable

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seems between regions are really going to trigger your topography lines, they need to be smudged to be blended together

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and yea matt wasnt kidding, they all are different. only the new regions are normalized

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i suspect there's an offset somewhere, because all my maps are shifted a little bit

vague otter Oct 14, 2021, 7:24 AM

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do those height maps all have the same height scaling?

long raft Oct 14, 2021, 7:24 AM

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no

vague otter Oct 14, 2021, 7:24 AM

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markfootdisapproves

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i was hoping it was just an offset

long raft Oct 14, 2021, 7:25 AM

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doubtful

vague otter Oct 14, 2021, 7:25 AM

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you can check on borders maybe? compare under water height + mountain height and see if you can get some linear relation

long raft Oct 14, 2021, 7:25 AM

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the new regions are tho, so ...theres only 23 to fix Julian

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well theres for sure a linear relation

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if i was sure the regions were being cropped properly, then you can adjust all the old maps until they line up with the new ones

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nah im wrong even the new regions arent all normalized

vague otter Oct 14, 2021, 7:27 AM

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Remember the old maps were originally designed to be single zones
So it's unlikely they'll match in any kind of fashion

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Only thing that matches probably is the vertical and horizontal scaling

pure sierra Oct 14, 2021, 7:34 AM

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this is yours, pretty close

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im just redoing mine

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not masking

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long raft Oct 14, 2021, 7:46 AM

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wow that is pretty close

pure sierra Oct 14, 2021, 7:46 AM

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good enough

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@glad whale Gib Islands markfootapproves

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like said if wanted to for final version when got islands go and blend all the boundaries

long raft Oct 14, 2021, 7:49 AM

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eh...

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if they arent the same height ranges, blending the boundaries will add artificial terracing to the border areas

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i think they need ... to be unified

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or kept as individual regions for display

pure sierra Oct 14, 2021, 8:02 AM

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true, yeah work out if there is linear offset we can apply

pure sierra Oct 14, 2021, 8:25 AM

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chug chug chug

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with rocks added

vague otter Oct 14, 2021, 8:29 AM

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Foken beautiful

pure sierra Oct 14, 2021, 8:29 AM

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yeah it makes its look much better

vague otter Oct 14, 2021, 8:29 AM

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what are these though

pure sierra Oct 14, 2021, 8:30 AM

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the same color as rock im guessing HBjoy

vague otter Oct 14, 2021, 8:31 AM

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F
might be able to remove those with too small area? idk which image program you using

pure sierra Oct 14, 2021, 8:32 AM

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gimp

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ok i just did an preliminary look at different maps scale/gamma differences of water,

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origin against westgate water 117 vs 120

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the fingers vs allods bight 117 vs 122

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should be no problem to just adjust the gamma, but likely will have to do it per map

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only thing will be if you make the water line up , will the land too ?

vague otter Oct 14, 2021, 8:51 AM

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Well
thing is it's bottom of ocean height, so it's not even guaranteed to line up across every map
best approach might be to find 2 distinct planes that cross a border for neighboring maps and comparing those two

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should give you a linear scale comparison for both those maps

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Or just hope it's an offset and not a scale difference and see if it works Jlol

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should be easy to compensate for and then check if all other things line up

pure sierra Oct 14, 2021, 8:53 AM

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oof never thought about it being the sea floor, just assumed was sea top

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will have to compare land instead only to compare

vague otter Oct 14, 2021, 8:53 AM

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well it might be sea top
but the lines you sometimes see in the water suggests it might be bottom

pure sierra Oct 14, 2021, 8:54 AM

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it will be bottom as they show contours going into it

vague otter Oct 14, 2021, 8:54 AM

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this e.g. makes no sense if it's top

pure sierra Oct 14, 2021, 8:54 AM

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correct

vague otter Oct 14, 2021, 8:55 AM

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but you can pretty accurately see where the water level is either way

pure sierra Oct 14, 2021, 10:21 AM

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so i took 4 sample regions and only needed to adjust the gamma on one to get the ground to all line up

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but going to have to try masking the height maps, as the excess flanges on each map dont seem to conform

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pure sierra Oct 14, 2021, 10:56 AM

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so i trimmed/masked them all to hex, but i introduced a small gap, which at first i was damn sad as could not batch mask them, and did each map by hand and was like, well that was a waste. but now i see that when you have a decent border line around each hex, as i would anyway when showing the world map to show the hex edges it hides any difference in gamma or sea floor, so it actually looks more perfect/easy on the eye, than if you matched the terrain levels, as you'd still have sea flor levels out, and would have to try correcting sea floor levels.... im off to bed....

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long raft Oct 14, 2021, 4:28 PM

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I'm afraid the terrain heights need to be normalized all at the same time. A linear systems problem. It sounds hard... Not even sure where I'd begin. Probably by not working with integer values in bitmaps

mossy pelican Oct 14, 2021, 4:50 PM

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Make the contour a vector

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Remove the contour in the borders between hexes

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Make contour back into a (new) height map

long raft Oct 14, 2021, 6:58 PM

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or vectorize the grayscale and then delete the fills...

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we should get somebody strong at math to solve the normalization problem

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we have any strong linear algebra coders here?

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maybe a matlab wiz?

mossy pelican Oct 14, 2021, 7:04 PM

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@umbral mulch come here nerd. you do maths