code-talk

[barren quarry]

its horribly worded but you understand

[long raft]

yea i do. other stuff isnt wasted tho, you can always carry some lessons forward

[elder egret]

Hi guys in Foxhole api /worldconquest/maps/:mapname/static mapItems variable always empty array do you know the reason ?

[barren quarry]

yes

there are two types of endpoints

dynamic and static

static endpoints contain text labels

they never have any icon data

dynamic endpoints contain the icons for resources and structures

[pure sierra]

I made some decent bash scripts once for a project I have, was interesting to go back to that kind of level. But I ended up just rewriting them in python which is much more powerful and simplified in terms of the code needed to do something. Python can do most things bash can do easier.

[long raft]

for sure, and you can just slap #!/bin/python as the shebang

kind of waiting for that with c#, kinda there but not totally

soon im sure

[edgy sage]

clang and gcc actually produce better compile outputs than the msvc compiler.
https://gcc.godbolt.org/z/6v6j1e6f7

[long raft]

what makes it better?

[edgy sage]

What makes them better than msvc?

[long raft]

did i mention msvc or something?

[edgy sage]

Better implementations probably.

[long raft]

i mean this 3 line program compiles to smaller assembly, i am not convinced thats 'better'

you know without knowing what hte extra instructions are doing

i dont think vc is a celebrated compiler, either

[edgy sage]

I mean that is just an example. You can look at larger ones but generally msvc is worse than the compilers generally used for linux.

I have seen some better unrolling in certain situations though.

[long raft]

well clang is generally liked

i mean llvm

[edgy sage]

Yeah, llvm is pretty popular. It has some great tools.

[cinder geyser]

Lemme get uhhhhh

KFC sandwich

[rare burrow]

Is it better to learn coding individually/with someone that knows how to code or go to uni/college where a lecture teaches a whole class?

[long raft]

both are good

classes offer more, but you do whatever works for you

god knows there are tons of free courses for programming online

[rare burrow]

Yeah im still deciding if I want to do coding in uni/college or try and learn it myself xd

But thanks :D

[long raft]

one of those options is much cheaper, can still do both

helpful to have the uni paperwork for job hunting

[rare burrow]

Trying to learn individually includes taking private lessons from coders online xd

[edgy sage]

You should do what you find better for yourself. Learning depends on the person. Some people digest content easier from reading about a subject than being taught. Other people learn better from having topics broken down in video format. It really depends on you.

If you feel like uni or college would be the best path for you then I would start off checking out a preliminary programming language to see if its something you want to so. Javascript or Python are good options as they are flexible and easy to get started with. Then if you enjoy it you can decide to go to a college or uni for education. Most courses will teach you the concepts behind the programming languages so you can transfer your skillset to other languages.

[barren quarry]

learning individually requires a lot of patience and motivation

if you scroll through this channel you will notice that everyone's projects except foxholestats and logiwaze die after 3 weeks - and those survive only because hayden/derp are experienced professionals older than 35

its tough to go on when coding is no longer fun and turns into tedious debugging

uni/college lectures are good if you don't know yet what you want

so they just force you to learn general stuff

what are algorithms, what are unit tests, rules of design etc

[long raft]

and because chad is my muse

[rare burrow]

Thanks for the advices

[coral sundial]

@rare burrowdo your homework assignments (if its actually making something).I didnt learn code through watching someone else. I learned by doing it. lectures in that area where good for information while actually programming

currently doing a group project where I am the only one able to code AVR C. precisely because I did my assignments and have the knowledge and experience to make it work in a timely manner.

[winter sun]

Am I correct in the assumption that the Foxhole API is very limited in the amount of data it provides? Especially in terms of Logi stuff, like amount of scrap/components/etc scrapped per hour and the like. I guess thats because it is big intel if it would be public, but as a retrospection on finished wars it would be interesting to see how much was where scrapped/built. Or am i missing some features of the API?
Been trying to read into the documentation as much as i could.

[barren quarry]

Foxhole api provides text labels, icon locations and status, and current casualties

[winter sun]

since scrapfields are on the map as icons: is their current scrap value their status? (have not been able to get my endpoint with the API running, figured it might be faster to ask)

[barren quarry]

No

Icon model contains icontype, faction, coordinates and flags

Flags such as: victory point, blueprint, nuked

[winter sun]

ah ok

thx

[barren quarry]

@zealous sonnet mr api man are there any map changes this update?

[zealous sonnet]

hey, there will be some minor changes once the artists have updated the textures (which should be in the near future)

[barren quarry]

thank you api man

[barren quarry]

@pure sierra @long raft

[long raft]

did the warapi update?

oh. i understand.

[pure sierra]

what is this ?

[barren quarry]

maps

[pure sierra]

i see that, but why ?

@barren quarry

[barren quarry]

to update?

[pure sierra]

but no github update yet ?

[barren quarry]

this isnt from github

[pure sierra]

where from ?

[barren quarry]

mystery land

[pure sierra]

reee

[long raft]

i am curious if any roads changed, but that docker container i made only takes the images from a github. maybe i can make one temporarily and override it

[pure sierra]

or just wait for official git update

[atomic vine]

Hey guys, genuine question here and I’m not sure if it’s code related or not but the steam server socket update. Could someone here clarify for a smooth brain what that’s for in general?

[pure sierra]

maybe this @atomic vine https://partner.steamgames.com/doc/features/multiplayer/networking

[summer bobcat]

😉

[barren quarry]

Yes blade has the keys to mystery land which I have been using for years

[atomic vine]

Thanks brother

[long raft]

no warapi update

stay strong, derp. stay strong.

[undone haven]

@edgy flint hi

[long raft]

been a few days, i dont think api update is coming

[pure sierra]

@zealous sonnet ??

[long raft]

im gonna use kastow's drop

[pure sierra]

nooo, its a backdoor

goblin will have put fake roads on warden maps to disrupt our logi brothers

[long raft]

lol

kastow is trying to mapquest wardens

"drive into the sea? well ok..."

[pure sierra]

and collie secret bases will be hidden

we need our own satellite launch services

[long raft]

i do miss that first satellite map it was so good

[summer bobcat]

LMAO

Kastow would totally be on that 😏

[long raft]

https://tenor.com/view/drax-the-destroyer-dave-bautista-metaphor-guardians-of-the-galaxy-over-my-head-gif-3613490

[barren quarry]

let this be the place on fod outside of tribalism

[pure sierra]

api man bad

@chrome finchooh wow !! will this work in foxhole ???

[barren quarry]

<@&374193809174822912>

[pure sierra]

nooo, let him stay

[barren quarry]

the foxhole kgb erased him from existence

[pure sierra]

he was just a poor cs trader, i thought this was a safe space...

[long raft]

i didnt see any road changes in the maps kastow provided, maybe we arent getting an update to the warapi because theres nothing of significance

[pure sierra]

@spiral zinc thanks for complements

[exotic steppe]

Moors map is wrong now for area around Ogmaran seaport

as the port got moved

[barren quarry]

yeah but they dont seem to have updated the ingame map either

[eternal summit]

sup foxhole

[long raft]

hm

[summer bobcat]

hm

[barren quarry]

@long raft found the easter eggs with me and icanari

any other exist?

[long raft]

logiwaze lore

[barren quarry]

this response is so clapfoot

[long raft]

learn from the best

[pure sierra]

@long raft

is your software or another suitable to tile a high res map image for leaflet ?

[long raft]

im not sure. it couldnt go above a certain size before but i did switch out the graphics library

maybe it can now, i havent tested huge ones, send it over

[pure sierra]

this is not foxhole related, the map is just 8500x6200 px

[long raft]

you can try it

download https://github.com/NoUDerp/Tiler/raw/master/binaries/Tiler-Windows-x64.exe and drop your image on it

like drag drop, if you specify a file as the first argument it will tile that image and make a folder named after it

[pure sierra]

ooh windows

[long raft]

i made a binary for every OS

even mac

[pure sierra]

zaurus ? 😉

[long raft]

the power of dotnet

uh no nothing that exotic

4 different linux builds, even a musl build (for alpine)

thats the one i use in my docker container

its the reason i replaced the image library in it

[pure sierra]

its tiff

[long raft]

hmm

i guess it doesnt work with tiff, can you convert it to png?

im actually surprised tiff wont work

[pure sierra]

would that be the best lossless format ?

[long raft]

hmm yea its lossless but if that tiff image is more than 32 bit color there would be loss from that

[long raft]

yah 8 bit color yea thatll be lossless

[pure sierra]

yep it worxed

does it just generate a set number of zoom levels regardless of image res, or does it somehow detect what is optimum ? @long raft

[long raft]

optimum, unless you specify, there are command line arguments you might prefer

[pure sierra]

nah it fine, just wondering if fixed or not

[long raft]

Tiler.exe -input <image file> [-size <tile pixel size>] [-zoom <max zoom level>] [-output <output directory no slash>]

by default it determines the best size (and centers the image)

[pure sierra]

i got some black tiles that there was not in the original, is that just because the image is not square ?

[long raft]

here is literally all the code: https://github.com/NoUDerp/Tiler/blob/master/Program.cs

they are likely not black they are black with transparency

its just whatever default color because the alpha = 1.0

and yes thats because its centering it (because the tiles are square, so the image must be also)

[pure sierra]

yeah its just transparent with windows thumb black

or white, depending if the image has any content or not

[long raft]

79 lines of code damn that is dense and unreadable

oh my god i even made it multithreaded

[plucky sentinel]

Well, at least your code is not 300 rows of this, xd.

[languid harness]

Do I see.... repeated blocks?

yuck

[plucky sentinel]

well, kind of-ish. They are somewhat repeated but they all handle close-ish/different-ish values. It's a custom inspector UI for a Unity project with an enum handling different cases of similar but different UI. Unity custom UI stuff is kind of bulky and unwieldy in general from my experience and I do not have a ton of experience with it so, yeah...

[languid harness]

They are somewhat repeated but they all handle close-ish/different-ish values.
What I said, repeated blocks. There are many ways you can optimize this into a single block with a list of all different parameters. But also, Unity is inefficient on its own, so who cares 😉

[plucky sentinel]

Well, yeah, I got some stuff in my head to optimise it but it works fine atm. Probably going to come back to it at some point, xd.

[languid harness]

And thats the tricky bit of programming XD

Coming back to old code is never an option lol

[plucky sentinel]

Well, by coming back to it at some point I mean completely rewriting all of it, xd.

[languid harness]

Exactly

[barren quarry]

if you come back to rewrite the old code you're asking for trouble

because you potentially have to debug every feature connected to that code

[plucky sentinel]

Well, it only connects to a single short script that "collects" the values so I will only have to change how it collects those values.

The code I posted above is long, not very complicated, xd.

[pure sierra]

any drupal coders here ?

[summer bobcat]

drupal... coders

[pure sierra]

reveal yourself to me

[paper lake]

quad-drupal mebbe?

[pure sierra]

https://www.reddit.com/r/foxholegame/comments/o565xj/think_about_it_p/

i made a meme

[coral sundial]

0 votes 0 comments

good.

Love you.

[pure sierra]

i just made it

upvote plz 🙂

[coral sundial]

uptovote pleaze

[pure sierra]

DRUPAL you are giving MAGENTO a run for its money in terms of most abstracted cms

[long raft]

magento lol remember that one xoops?

[subtle gust]

Hey hey

I was hoping to look at some of the data from foxholestats.com

Is it available somewhere @pure sierra ?

[pure sierra]

@subtle gustsure just let me know what yo want specifically

[neat fossil]

I don't know if you have this already, but maybe specific lines to show a frontline? i don't know if that's programmable, or if it makes sense.

I'm aware you can see regions taken, but i mean a line of sorts?

[exotic steppe]

logiwaze.com does this, sort of

[pure sierra]

@neat fossil we dont really get precise enough details to show where a front line is from the api

[languid pebble]

Csy kycw wtieo gshi?

[tired sorrel]

uted tyim e nout em phigo

[glossy sail]

wait a minute

when the channel says code talk

does it mean computer coding or like secret codes

[umbral mulch]

difference?

[barren quarry]

computer coding

[languid harness]

Literally, read the channel description

[glossy sail]

Ah yes but you see

I’m an idiot

[languid harness]

And hence, I retain the right to mock you 😉

[pure sierra]

ceuwswlsui

[languid harness]

U ok?

[pure sierra]

8239080240

[languid harness]

Confuse but I assume this is a button mash since the keys are clearly located on the direct left and right side

[summer bobcat]

[elfin anchor]

where do I submit my petition to eradicate rxjs?

[autumn bluff]

..-. .. .-. ... - ....... - .. -- . ....... .--. .-.. .- -.-- .. -. --. ....... -- .- -. .- --. .. -. --. ....... - --- ....... -.-. .-.. .. .--. ....... .. -. - --- ....... .- ....... -- --- ..- -. - .- .. -. .-.-.- ....... .--. ... ---... ....... -.-- --- ..- ....... -.-. .- -. ....... ... .... --- --- - ....... - .... .-. --- ..- --. .... ....... -- --- ..- -. - .- .. -. ... --..-- ....... .. -. ... .. -.. . ....... --- ..- - .-- .- .-. -.. ... .-.-.-

[languid harness]

Read the channel description

bonk

[autumn bluff]

Ok

Oh

Oh and from here on I'm saying all my curse words in Morse for me not getting banned reasons

Perfect idea💡

[summer bobcat]

[slate tundra]

Ye underestimate the power of modman Good Sir.

Greetings Blade

How are ye?

[coral sundial]

Ya'll remember when I posted my homework issues in here? I do

and now I made this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_xRG8e-q2k

[summer bobcat]

hello Mr White Falcon

Are you friends with Mr. Blue Sky?

[slate tundra]

If its a user, No i didn't.
If its a song
Hell yeah! big focken yes
//youtu.be/_CZWKr8_8C4

[summer bobcat]

ajkajkaja I was just about to click on it

[slate tundra]

Excuse me me this is code talk

[summer bobcat]

😠

You've got a point

[slate tundra]

I'm not sure I should post videos ere

[pure sierra]

its fine dont worry about these vb trolls, any tech talk is ok

[languid harness]

Nice!

[dreamy swan]

I was wondering if it's possible with the WarAPI (or anything else) to get more detailed map data like what is stored in certain buildings

[pure sierra]

@dreamy swan no sorry

[dreamy swan]

Very understandable though 🤷

[vestal pollen]

https://tenor.com/view/alex-omar-man-code-gif-11828131

[rare schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/jim-carrey-bruce-almighty-typing-gif-3547478

[grizzled seal]

i need someones help i am trying to 3d print a MHT for a giveaway i plan on doing but i dont know how to get the 3d model from the game into a STL file so that i can slice it and print it out i need to do this very soon so i have time to paint it can some one help me out?

[frozen oriole]

The dudes in the hans and Klaus creations discord in #community-resources might be able to help you, they do that kinda stuff

[frail star]

@grizzled seal This page has a bunch of the 3d models, I'm not sure if the one you're looking for is there but it's worth a shot https://sketchfab.com/clapfoot/models

[long raft]

ive extracted and 3d printed from there before. its not easy. 3d models just arent well designed for 3d printing

[barren quarry]

[stark hare]

@pure sierra @dreamy swan I'm wondering if it is possible to automate a logistic request billboard using building resource data. No way to look at building resources beyond a computer hovering over each building?

User interface contains the information, how would we take it off that?

[cerulean urchin]

You would need some sort of OCR reader to convert images into text, but I'm pretty sure at the scale you're talking about violates Foxhole terms of service

[kind glacier]

https://i.imgur.com/4yOPYWj.jpeg

[coral sundial]

printf norwegian

[summer bobcat]

printf asgardian

[languid idol]

Print R'lyehian

[languid harness]

Print(print)

[coral sundial]

Printf(printf("printf("printf")")

[languid harness]

Unprint that

[coral sundial]

unprint yourselve

[ripe fern]

I wasn't printed

The only thing printed was this chat

[languid harness]

World chat when a side starts pushing hard

[glad gate]

Maybe mars has a life in past?

or Venus

High chance

[languid harness]

Mars could have 'life', but it could be anything, possibly beyond or recognition. So how could we ever know if there's not life for sure? Therefore, one could always assume there is some lifeform there that we simply cannot perceive. Having that in mind: what does it mean to die? To cease life? Well, we wouldn't be able to recognise that either. Perhaps, there is a death, deeper and more intense, than we know of, beyond what we can observe. With that in mind, how could we be sure over 120 billion (or 120 milliard for normal people) died on our planet? How selfish can we be to only account for human life, to neglect any other lifeform that brought us here where we are. We are not alone, but we will be alone.

[coral sundial]

thats deep man

[barren quarry]

Here's an even deeper question: how do you know there is no javascript on Mars?

[stable oasis]

thats because java is in asia and not on mars

[languid harness]

Considering the amount of robots, there might be java on Mars in fact

[barren quarry]

Javascript is not java

[kind glacier]

Seems like it's all in C

[stable oasis]

its kinda easy to tell why we are selfish. we live if medicine is progressing like now about 110 years. thats nothing. its a blink of an eye compared to the age of stars. and even famous people, i dunno for example hitler (ok hes more like infamous) are well known 70 years after their death. if you go back any further caesar is famous for more than 2k years. but all of this is still nothing in a universe thats so much older and where the sun is 8 billion times bigger than you or me. and all of mankind, all of humanity will be forgot one time. so there is no need to do good things right now. thats why i love wasting my time with hedonistic stuff. games, my gf, food and so on. so yes. my own life is the most valuable thing in my opinion and no other life form or even human has the same value as i for myself

[stable oasis]

javascript was used to code java into the indian sea some time ago

https://tenor.com/view/pew-die-pie-and-thats-a-fact-gif-14903570

[languid harness]

Ofcourse we are selfish. It does not matter how social you are, life (in its entirety) is inherently selfish to ensure survival. What it defines as the self can vary between types of organisms, but selfish nonetheless

[stable oasis]

now im feeling bad for my english skills

[languid harness]

However, to not acknowledge the struggle of others is selfish in a mental sense, rather than evo-biology

[languid harness]

Hahahah, no worries. I spend 3 months on a project on life on the moon Europa that resulted into a paper that said 'we dont know shit'

[stable oasis]

haha

[languid harness]

I know a bit of the words to sprinkle around to sound InTuLeCtUaL

[stable oasis]

i only know strange words from strange books and use them from time to time to show people my genius

like miasm

but thats pretty hard to build into a common conversation

but at least my german is good

[languid harness]

The mastery of many languages should be praised above the expertise of just one

Your English is good

[stable oasis]

at the moment im learning some spanish and also some japanese

[stable oasis]

thanks yours is way better

also i wanna learn some other stuff like reading and writing binary and hex and so on

[languid harness]

Its fun to learn, although not very usefull even if you do programming

[stable oasis]

yeah i wanna get it just for having achieved something not many people do so its kinda special

like being godlike in rythm games lol

@languid harness btw if you like this deeper stuff i got a quote i like because of the picuture it paints:

Imagine being in your deathbed – and standing around your bed is the ghost of the dreams, the ideas, the abilities, the talent – given to you by life but for whatever reason never pursued those dreams. You never acted on those ideas. You never used those gifts. You never used those talents, and there they are, staring at you, as you are lying on your bed. With large angry eyes, they say ” We came to YOU, and only YOU could have given us life. And now, we must die with you… forever…”
And the question is… If you die today, what dreams, what talents, what abilities, what gifts, what ideas would die with you.

what do you think of that

also i like the famous quote by sagan if you know it

[coral sundial]

C master race

[pure sierra]

@barren quarry im going to go out on a limb here, possibly being wrong, in saying that you havent confronted the problem i had to deal with yesterday, as you have hid/obscured it by incorrectly using rectangular bounds in your leaflet definition on a square map tile set 🤔 @long raft

[barren quarry]

bruh

[long raft]

huh?

[pure sierra]

so he's using rectangular bounds definition, which means that his pixel based coord mapping still lines up without padding correction for the square tileset, as evident by his site requesting tiles that arent there

[barren quarry]

which site

fg?

[pure sierra]

yes

[long raft]

no, leaflet is just trying to query tiles outside of the map

its not a rectangular/square issue

[pure sierra]

i know thats what i mean

it is

[barren quarry]

you seriously are giving me shit for a piece of crap i did more than 2 years ago

[long raft]

no...

[pure sierra]

im not giving u shit, its called continous development

[barren quarry]

i dont see errors

gib link where you see errors

[pure sierra]

zoom out

[long raft]

or pan to sides

[barren quarry]

nope

[long raft]

its 404 errors

[barren quarry]

https://live-1.foxehole-hq.com this one has no errors

[long raft]

i dont see what it has to do with rectangles tho

[pure sierra]

same errors on that one kastow

[barren quarry]

none of the websites give me errors

[pure sierra]

same map

it redirects to https://foxholeglobal.com/map/

just has steam landing

[barren quarry]

oh shit now i see it

[pure sierra]

the reason it requests tiles that arent there is that the bounds are wrong

[long raft]

why do you guys still use png

[pure sierra]

dont distract us derp

[long raft]

you pinged me!

[barren quarry]

well okay

there are errors

what now

[pure sierra]

but if yyou make ur bounds square to match the map tiles it will throw off ur pixel coord alignment

[long raft]

its an easy fix to just set the bounds for leaflet so it doesnt try to query them

whats this about ... square bounds, whats the point of that

[pure sierra]

yes but it will throw otherthings out

[long raft]

that makes no difference. the tiles are square, the map is square

[pure sierra]

the bounds are used for coord system

its the foundation of it

[long raft]

but theyre always the same

[pure sierra]

no, theyy are set by bounds

[long raft]

kastows bounds are the same as mine and yours whenever using tiles

it will change if you move the center, but otherwise ...

[pure sierra]

leaflet is not center based

[long raft]

leaflet just imports images as pixel dimensions, no way around it

and the default tile size is 256

and tiles are always square, so level 0 will be guaranteed to be 256x256

[pure sierra]

no, bounds is your max outside size

only 256x256 if bounds is 0-256

u can set bounds to what ever

[long raft]

but the tiles are always square, so a rectangular bounds offers no benefit over a square bounds

[barren quarry]

look

in all these years this never has been an issue for thousands of people

just relax

[long raft]

probably not an issue, although 404 links can make page loading slower

[pure sierra]

like i said im likely wrong, but i wanted to talk about it

dude, u stop the 404 errors and we will see

it will throw everything else out

[long raft]

thousands of people huh?

i have no idea how many people visit logiwaze

i imagine its higher with the link from foxholestats

[pure sierra]

u dont have the errrors though derp it seems

[long raft]

well no, i rebuilt the entire tile layer from scratch

i also dont have seams between tiles

[pure sierra]

so derp good

he uses square bounds to match his padded tile set

where is your code that sets out the centers of each region @long raft ?

i suspect u dont have the issue derp as our likely only operate in 0-256 coord system

need unminimised version of foxholerouter.js

[long raft]

uhh i think its just 0, 0 for my center

i cant remember. sorry i guess i can check github

cant find it, i might have left as default

also i re-implemented the tile layer, so i dont need to set bounds at all

[pure sierra]

im looking at ur github

[long raft]

the tile bounds checking is done totally differently

[pure sierra]

where is ur region definiton,the centers

[long raft]

i think its line 525 of https://github.com/NoUDerp/LogiWaze/blob/master/src/IVectorControlGrid.js where i avoid 404 errors

i have no idea where i define the center, its probably default

[pure sierra]

so where do you translate an api cord to your map cord

[long raft]

hmmm

[pure sierra]

i cant believe how much work u put into this

[long raft]

i cannot remember

yes i put a shit ton of work into getting copy/paste and download image to work

but there were nice benefits, like getting rid of the seams between tiles

i have no idea why leaflet has those seams they drive me nuts. there was like a 1 liner of code that can fix them but it has its own side effects

this is what i have commented out if you want to make use of it:

// seam fix
            /*let originalInitTile = L.GridLayer.prototype._initTile;
            if (!originalInitTile.isPatched) {
                L.GridLayer.include({
                    _initTile: function (tile) {
                        originalInitTile.call(this, tile);
                        var tileSize = this.getTileSize();
                        tile.style.width = tileSize.x + 1 + 'px';
                        tile.style.height = tileSize.y + 1 + 'px';
                    }
                });
            }*/

something i found in a web search to fix them

but when i implemented the tile layer myself i never had seams, no idea what leaflet does to make them happen

perhaps related to the zoomSnap levels, maybe scaling issues, not sure

[pure sierra]

do you even use the standard leaflet marker creation method ?

[long raft]

no

rendering those directly with canvas now

theres a minor speedup i get by caching the images (at scaled sizes)

but also combining everything into 2 layers makes it easier to merge them so theyre copyable

before i did the last big changes i had like 6 or 7 different layers, would have been impossible to put that on a canvas so it could be copied

and the roads, omg, every time you panned the map it had to redraw thousands of roads

[pure sierra]

ah

[long raft]

so i divided them into buckets for each tile, and i render only the roads on that tile

the level 0 still takes the same time, but once you zoom in the speedup in user interface is significant

and panning is much smoother

there were some plugins that could do this work, divide geojson data, but they only worked with WGS84, which is ... not foxhole lol

thats the -180->180 projection that wraps, would never work right

[pure sierra]

btw i deleted this https://foxholestats.com/router/

[long raft]

so i had to build that from the ground up too

[pure sierra]

u link it still

[long raft]

no i think i changed the readme file, i cant remember

it might still be there i dunno

[pure sierra]

i jusnt read it

[long raft]

oh ok

ill put it on my punch list

[pure sierra]

ill create a PR

[long raft]

lol

ok

thats way easier

i hope i get the energy to work on logiwaze again someday i have a whole page of outstanding issues

but foxhole ecosystem is very frustrating

[barren quarry]

what do you mean by frustrating

the api?

or the people

or the game content

[long raft]

im frustrated the devs share so little after the initial warapi stuff years ago

and yes the game itself too

so we cant have weather data, elevation data, population data, all we get is maps (sometimes) and the map state and location names

its like they had an idea that they wanted a developer community but then they stopped caring after a year

remember when models used to get published to sketchfab and stuff? its like they dont really care about the art community either now

[barren quarry]

https://sketchfab.com/clapfoot/models

[long raft]

i think arguably something like foxholestats or sigilhq has contributed greatly to the player experience in this game

[barren quarry]

last entry 3 months ago

well you gotta have imagination

[long raft]

oh wow i havent looked at sketchfab recently, i take it back, cool to see it updated

[barren quarry]

or borrow imagination from others

[long raft]

but i am frustrated that like ... road data isnt shared with us, or elevation, or weather especially

[barren quarry]

its not on the roadmap

or maybe it is

[long raft]

yep. its not important. makes me wonder why they made an api at all

[barren quarry]

you know how at work there are certain tasks that have been there for years but tasks with more priority keep appearing and pushing it back

[long raft]

yes.

except they shouldnt be more prioritized

imagine foxhole without an external website to check the map for a month long war. just imagine it.

you wouldnt care at all whats happening in the war

its an important piece of immersion teh developers of foxhole dont have to work on because somebody else will if the API is available

yes the API costs time to maintain, but it saves a shitload of time in everything they dont have to develop

[barren quarry]

have we done too much?

[long raft]

you know for every minute spent improving the API and adding features yields so much more benefit than the time put in

[barren quarry]

maybe some of this will be revisited after 1.0

[long raft]

lol.

thats cool to see the new models up tho...

maybe ill 3d print a silverhand and then see if it will blend

[coral sundial]

@long raft i remember the issue with sketchfab was that at some point, they where recognized as a company and had to pay signficantly more to publish on it

[long raft]

well they want to post their models for use in art i assume but make them unavailable to download

because sketchfab is not the only way to post 3d models

[languid harness]

Many many dreams died long ago, so I just what I can

[lunar cobalt]

I think it's that they can only post a few a month (3 I think?) without paying ridiculous amounts

[pure sierra]

just self host ffs

[barren quarry]

restarted my pc for the first time in 32 days

wow i didnt know it could be so fast

[iron barn]

Sup y'all. Loving the game so far

Do we have any community theories, or perhaps any dev insight, into how the fuck y'all did the netcode on this game?

I'm a gameplay programmer at another studio. I have worked on games that demand far, far fewer networked entities and physics than this game seems to have

And I am genuinely in awe lol

My guess is either:

• actually some P2P elements, sharing the computation locally among clients in different areas?

or

• "stitched together" dedicated servers each responsible for computing their own region(s), with some clearly very fancy seamless stitching tech to make you not see those divides between servers

[pure sierra]

@zealous sonnet

[barren quarry]

i would recommend talking to stephan or phil about this

[pure sierra]

so if by region you mean, deadlands or oarbreaker, yes they are different servers quite seperate from each other, limited to about 150 players

[zealous sonnet]

yeah, we have dedicated servers for each region (and other server types as well)

[iron barn]

@zealous sonnet and you "transition" players between regions as they drive from one to the other seamlessly?

[zealous sonnet]

hmm I wouldn't call it seamless, as there's technically a loading screen

but "server travel" (as we call it) is an extremely complex flow

[iron barn]

oh maybe the divides are not what I thought 🤣

yeah totally

[pure sierra]

no you just load between them, about 10 sec

it leads to border camping and other bollocks

[iron barn]

Like the hexes on the overmap are each a dedi?

[pure sierra]

yes

each hex is a server

[iron barn]

Interesting

[pure sierra]

and you cant build withn about 50m of the border region

and anything within about 100m decays quicker

it means the border is a partisan highway for people to run as far into enemyy territory as they want without defenses and camp your logistics lines which cant be defended as no build zone. it suuuucks

[zealous sonnet]

btw if it helps Foxhole is written in C++ (UE4)

[iron barn]

Awesome

Is shooting hitscan or physics?

Or does it differ depending on the weapon (tank shell VS pistol bullet)

[coral sundial]

hitscan last i heard

[pure sierra]

with some latency compensation

[coral sundial]

oh idk about the shells but there is defo some physics involved

[zealous sonnet]

generally hit scan, but some aren't (like RPGs/grenades/etc)

[kind glacier]

Trying to figure out Bannerlord modding, but so far I can't find what I need >:(

[wild wedge]

i wanna do some side projects , is there any script / online api or some thing like that needed for foxhole? any ideas?

[kind glacier]

like seriously

every single modding guide for Bannerlord is inadequate at best

and no one is answering my questions either

it's really quite annoying

[stone void]

lmao, I found an RTS written in .xml so I’ve just been trying to add weird units. No one answers my questions either.

[kind glacier]

what RTS?

[pure sierra]

@wild wedge depends what u like

[proper maple]

I can see many people have gone for the using endpoints for data projects. I'd add my voice to the 'It would be great to get historical data' for player movement on the map. Totally understand the reasoning behind not doing that for the live wars.

[barren quarry]

It would be tons of data

[proper maple]

How many concurrent players does the game get on average?

[barren quarry]

It's been varying so much lately its hard to say what's the average

500-2800

[lunar cobalt]

Average for the last 30 days has been 1600 per Steamcharts

But highly variable based on the time of day

[proper maple]

Just spitballing here... Say you took each players position once every 30 seconds, that's an average of 3200 datapoints per minute. 13 million datapoints per day. That would be significantly more detail than really necesary but it's certainly big data territory.

[lunar cobalt]

I'll take "How to set the dev's servers on fire" for 300 please

[proper maple]

Yup. Maybe a bit much 😂

Just seen there's a backend engineer vacancy. I'm currently looking for that sorta job but I'm only a new grad. Looks like they want someone with some experience.

[barren quarry]

I would imagine after 4 years of development the backend code for foxhole is a giant pile of spaghetti with a rocket launcher and a car duct taped to it

[proper maple]

Ahhh. Tasty code spaghetti?

[barren quarry]

Yeah

Need serious skills to understand it

Otherwise you will go insane

[proper maple]

I can hit like... half of their essential requirements.

[lunar cobalt]

It's amazing spaghetti

[proper maple]

Hey... If it works 😉

[lunar cobalt]

Just don't try to figure out how long it is

[proper maple]

I reckon there are at least... 8 lines of code.

[long raft]

theres no way the networking part would be spaghetti... itd be a shock things are as stable as they are

for example, the warapi is like rock solid

[lunar cobalt]

Spaghetti to someone without the skills their networking coders have

[proper maple]

It's a bit stupid but... Proof of concept that actually recording 1600 datapoints is not that intensive.

https://pastebin.com/439zen3c

Running on my medioce laptop that takes 0.01014 seconds to generate 1600 datapoints and 38.91 MiB.

Personally. I'd say for a game with this many players that's inconsiquential. I'd imagine the current servers are a lot larger.

I'm gonna shut up now since it asks not to talk about foxhole dev in pinned messages but yeah. Code is strong, can do big things.

[proper maple]

I go insane looking at more than 10 lines of JavaScript.

[proper maple]

Networking is magic and have set up a few networked things before, I refuse to believe otherwise.

[long raft]

configuring networks, yes. programming networks? nah. it's only a small piece of one OSI layer

[proper maple]

fucking magic

[summer bobcat]

Wait that’s a rule? I think it’s unnecessary imo since this channel rarely has chatter

[bold python]

I think he meant this

NOT a place to talk about Foxhole game development

[stone void]

Iron Harvest, it’s like CoH2 but bullets have basic physics and it eats computers for breakfast

[wild wedge]

just a casual script for foxhole, i wanna do it with python and probably some thing along lines of it begin a script and help calculating / keeping record /help with planing

some thing like this be its job. but im not sure exactly what

[pure sierra]

there was a site called foxhole global that did this sort of thing @barren quarry

[pseudo fossil]

Did you try Coh1 Blitzkrieg mod with Africa korps. addon? It has historical accurate flags and such. Pretty good.

[stone void]

No, I've heard a lot of mixed reviews on CoH

[languid harness]

Its a matter of scale. I think the data generation is not the problem, but the storage def can be

[long raft]

storage is easy with compression

[coral sundial]

CoH 1 is amazing for its time

thats all there is to say

if you expect individual unit control instead of squad control. go play man of war.

that saying, I do look forward to CoH 3

I was pleasantly suprised that it wasnt a carbon copy of coh 2

[long raft]

it would be nice to get the github before the update rolls out tomorrow sigh

new location names, probably new roads, probably new map images

[kind glacier]

From what I saw it was a copy of coh 2 in all the ways that matter

[stone void]

It's so early stage, i'm pretty sure they just rewrote CoH2 and are adding elements to make it CoH3

[coral sundial]

I'd be more upset if they rewrote the whole thing

[gentle beacon]

Sand is sand

Water is blue

Bravo six going dark

[low cargo]

… - - - …

[pseudo fossil]

Vanilla CoH 1 is meh. Basically RTS world of tanks, uff.

But Blitzkrieg mod makes major changes to tanks and weapons overall, it feels more "realistic".

Try it, mod is on steam as a "game" , you need CoH1 to play it of course.
And africa korps. is a moddb addon for Blitzkrieg, it adds more vehicles and desert settings and also historically accurate flags, emblems and unit names, you know swastikas and such.

I can't stand that censorship in vanilla.

[coral sundial]

blitzkrieg is fun yeah, but overall it makes the game more hectic

fucking german 80mm mortar

rip riflemen squad :_:

[languid harness]

how about Blitzkrieg the game

best rts for sure

[olive hamlet]

omg I loved that

[languid harness]

hell yeah

[summer bobcat]

Blitzkrieg 2!

[languid harness]

2 was really cool tho

3 sucks tho

[fiery tree]

only when RUSE 2 arrives will my life be complete

[summer bobcat]

omfg don't remind me of that game

I miss it

[fiery tree]

😔

[summer bobcat]

enemy tanks rolling into my AT guns in the forest, hehe boi

[fiery tree]

paratroopers go brrrrr

thats the only RTS that i was semi good at in multiplayer

and nuclear long toms

those things were epic but now that i think about it were only in the story missions

but ye only wish is that RUSE 2 becomes a thing, preferably on PC instead of xbox lol

[summer bobcat]

fucking hell

the nuclear game mode

no non ono ono tanks GET OUT OF THE WAY!!!!
nuclear shell lands and wipes out my entire army

[summer bobcat]

No there is a nuclear game mode you can play

[fiery tree]

oh they apparently did have it on steam but got rid of it in 2016 because they ran out of a license or somethin

[fiery tree]

oh ye i remember that

[summer bobcat]

Yes because I think there was a problem with the HUMVEE license

[fiery tree]

hmm its the same people who made steel division, that game anygood?

[summer bobcat]

I have steel division 2 but only 2 hours in it... 😅

[fiery tree]

it might serve as a coping mechanism if its as similar to RUSE

[summer bobcat]

It's got the same feel to it but it's not the same thing

[fiery tree]

ah

0/10, doesnt have the entire battle happening on a war table, literally unplayable

[summer bobcat]

xD

I thought that was cool back then

[fiery tree]

oh ye the people doin their things in the background as you spam russian infantry because the train timer was like half a second

and that was only for the russians none of the other nations had their infantry spawn that fast lol

now i want to hop on my Xbox 360 and play it again

[summer bobcat]

half a second? I don't remember that LMAO

[fiery tree]

maybe it was a second i cant remember

all i know is you could overwhelm everything in the game like 5 minutes into a multiplayer match by just spamming russian inf

[summer bobcat]

hehe boi

I was always a turtle, never a rusher

[fiery tree]

ye i always was turtle too

the germans had flamethrower and flak88 combo bunkers that were awesome

and a couple nations had artillery bunkers

[summer bobcat]

those flak 88 bunkers were fking op to me

air + land defense

[fiery tree]

ye defense from everything there is besides enemy artillery

the japanese was a DLC nation and had OP proto tanks that had flamethrowers along with massive guns

yeah im 100% playing it after this

[kind glacier]

Blitzkrieg 1 best Blitzkrieg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPErnqpjMqI

[kind glacier]

yes

[languid harness]

ah yes, when the cutsense were even low poly 🤩

god, now I wish I had my disk reader here to play it again

[kind glacier]

😉

[languid harness]

Memories

So many memories

placing them cruiser tanks to have them blown up in 20 secs

until you got them matildas

[kind glacier]

KV-1/KV-2 mission made me fall in love with the KV-2

oneshotting pillboxes

[languid harness]

Drive up KV2, shoot at pillboxes, retreat KV2 to reload, repeat

[kind glacier]

Used to play multiplayer through gamespy until that finally died

[pure sierra]

"New resource: Wreckage can now be found and returned to a refinery for sorting."

"Diesel and Petrol item weight now accounts for how much fuel is left in the can." finally....

[languid harness]

I never got to play online 😭

Tho iirc there was some off-brand online service, but I never got it to work

[summer bobcat]

yes GameRanger I think it was

[languid harness]

ah yes

[pure sierra]

@zealous sonnet shard2 endpoint war number seems to have gone backwards ?? now 20 was in thirties, this has thrown out my tracking of the war

and overwriting some records

[barren quarry]

oh shit

[zealous sonnet]

that's odd, I wonder if that's due to the new db set up

20 doesn't seem out of the ordinary though. especially if it was 18 when it was last used: https://github.com/clapfoot/warapi/issues/85

[pure sierra]

i have up to 48

it has looped around

i think the first public shard 2 war was about 18

some custom code i wrote for shard 2 at the start

they all have the same times though which is weird

something bad must have happened and overwrote them all

my code never expected repeat wars

[pure sierra]

@zealous sonnet but it would seem even though there may have only been 3 used shard 2 wars, the api war number seems to have been incrementing with each shard 1 war...

[rain raptor]

Is this that roblox game?

Oh no.

[opal rampart]

Does the warapi allow you to get the amount of resource nodes left at a field? As far as I can tell no.

[long raft]

nope

[pure sierra]

i made a meme https://www.reddit.com/r/foxholegame/comments/onw69h/meme_sauce/

[long raft]

oh shit did they update the warapi

there was a commit yesterday! woo

[pure sierra]

one map updated

[long raft]

which one?

[pure sierra]

https://github.com/clapfoot/warapi/commit/fa1bcf4389372bd74677ed618a9fafd88fe1260c

mooring

[long raft]

hmm thought i saw a new road there, but also the new placement of the shipyard

or whatever thats called

[pure sierra]

@long raft hi

[long raft]

hi

[pure sierra]

hey, is there someway to make the leaflet make zoom in an extra level without that tileset ?

i did try making an extra level but its like 5000 odd images

[long raft]

i am confused what your question is

[pure sierra]

u know how yyou can just expand an image in css beyond its acutal size

can you zoom leaflet beyond available tileset

[long raft]

you want to zoom in higher without more tiles?

yes

[pure sierra]

yes

[long raft]

maxZoom

change the number

as i mentioned before, you need to use maxNativeZoom to match your tile zoom level

set that to 5

set maxZoom to 8 or whatever

[pure sierra]

nope

[long raft]

for sure it is

[long raft]

perhaps it needs to be done on the layer?

not the map

[pure sierra]

yep

excellent

[inner bay]

question, the war API is there anything that pulls seaport information, I would like to be able to export personal seaport stockpile data

[pure sierra]

no sorry

just their location

[inner bay]

darn, that would be super useful, im tracking stuff on a excel sheet, lol Id take a export to .csv at this point 😛

[pure sierra]

problem is intel leak to enemy

[inner bay]

I dont see how that would be possible if its limited to personal storage, and those are passcode protected.

Thanks tho for the info!

[light sluice]

well short of checking the number of requests it is super easy to make some code to brute force the combinations

[pure sierra]

i guess they could be shared with no details of their location

[wary storm]

what does partisian mean

[long raft]

yugoslavian rebels lol

[barren quarry]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gViaOYgV8yI

[pure sierra]

@long raft, with ur client side only js site, have you ever considered ability to displayy casualty rates ?

[long raft]

no

i dont see how that would be reliable without a server component

[pure sierra]

it could be just calculated from the time that the client had been running

[long raft]

it doesnt even auto update tho

its on the wish list but its a ton of work

[pure sierra]

i wasnt so much thinking of you adding that, as is for another project idea i have, client only potentially, and wondering if ud considered it

[long raft]

i have thought about it

[neat fossil]

Ok so question, how hard would ot be to fix the burst tracking?

I got my hands on a fuscina the other day and god it struggles

Same with the booker and cascadier

[neat fossil]

So I would like to get a functional steering wheel setup for doing logi,
so far the only thing I can think of is running a bunch of hotkey scripts with autohotkey that would take the steering wheel input at different positions, and tap A and W key faster or slower to turn smoothly, with A and W held down if you turn the wheel all the way
Any ideas?

[pure sierra]

hadnt given it much thought myself, but i had had the idea of using a wheel too 🙂

[neat fossil]

Yeah the problem is when you drive u tap the keys a lot, so just plugging in a wheel and tying it to A and W would mean jerking the wheel left and right really fast to drive smoothly

[pure sierra]

hmmm yeah, hadnt thought about that

[neat fossil]

with the new driving physics especially, it would be nice if the devs could let u assign an axis to steering. Logi could use a controller too which I think a lot of people would love. Wonder how hard that would be for them to do

[pure sierra]

its likely something that might already be available for the engine either as plugin or example script, the bigger problem is just getting them to decide to do it amongst all the other requests... like they cant even do basic translation support so 🤷‍♂️

[neat fossil]

update 46: the axis of war

[crystal island]

Guys, sorry if it was said already, but i cannot find it in history
Is it possible to get information about the storage content throught api?

[long raft]

no

[crystal island]

oh, okey, thank you

[livid briar]

So how do you do fellow coders you know hdmi and enter keys am I right my thoughtful companion

[long raft]

[untold sequoia]

I highly doubt this is possible, but can I somehow check what player has affiliated with which faction?

[pure sierra]

nope

[untold sequoia]

Hmmmmmmmm

That sucks

So I just need to take player's word for it?

[pure sierra]

just see them in game

[untold sequoia]

You really can't if you're building an app

[pure sierra]

you get locked to a side after a few minutes of game play for that war

[untold sequoia]

I guess what I could do is implement some sort of invite system

But really, I think that would be more counterintuitive than I want it to be

Any other ideas on how I could "verify" it?

[barren quarry]

@untold sequoia just hijack a faction community

[long raft]

the other discords want you to show a picture of you repeating a random number and sometimes a picture of how much time youve played in the war (more than 6 minutes)

[untold sequoia]

Okay, just for the thought process. I'm currently trying to build something that helps with logistics by planning out supply runs. I don't want to reveal planned supply runs to the other faction though.

So right now my only options that are "codeable" is either an invite-only system to verify a faction or just taking their word for it.

Hmm. I might have a third option but that requires enough players to use my platform

[mint swallow]

The problem with that is, what if they change war the next time?

Do they get booted out or can the system even recognize that

[untold sequoia]

That would be the easiest to solve: They need to verify again once a new war starts.

Since I can just get the public API to fetch the war ID

[mint swallow]

oh okay

no idea what that means but I’m into it 😎

[untold sequoia]

I can ask the game what war it is and then it replies with something like

{
  "warId" : "9b33b555-e587-4915-89a5-50eb37f2949d",
  "warNumber" : 33,
  "winner" : "NONE",
  "conquestStartTime" : 1563291629686,
  "conquestEndTime" : null,
  "resistanceStartTime" : null,
  "requiredVictoryTowns" : 20
}

[rose verge]

I think a group based permissions system might be your only simple option. Each person can make groups and determines which of their routes are visible in which of their groups? Then it is on the user to make sure they only share routes in secure groups?

[untold sequoia]

Yeah, some sort of invite-only. That's what I thought of

[mint swallow]

That’s sorta just how clans work tho 😂

[untold sequoia]

So basically I'll just let new "signups" run around to random storages and report the contents for more than 10 minutes so they can no longer switch

[rose verge]

I think you're just in the good old security catch-22. If it is really easy to use it is insecure, if it is really secure it will be almost impossible to use.

[untold sequoia]

Exactly

I guess what I could do would be some sort of reputation system

So the longer you use it, the more info gets revealed to you

That would probably be the safest AND easiest

[rose verge]

Possibly, but that is also open to abuse, see the current rep system in game.

[untold sequoia]

Partially. I'm trying to solve the issue with sharing intel to the opposing faction by signing up as "spy"

So if I prevent "spy accounts" from gaining the most critical information then that would already solve things.

Like, for example, front line supplies

[rose verge]

I think also unless you tie it to someone in a way they can't easily change I could easily just have 2 accounts, one for each side.

[untold sequoia]

My idea was to tie your faction to your current war

So that when a new war starts you start again with rep zero

[rose verge]

So to use it at all it has to be linked to your Steam/Foxhole account?

[untold sequoia]

In some sort of way or form, yes.

[rose verge]

That would do it

[untold sequoia]

I'll just try some stuff out and keep y'all here posted :)

[static bloom]

Sounds nice

Will this be some public tool or sumn?

[pure sierra]

this just sounds like foxhole hq website, by @barren quarry

[barren quarry]

Don't break his dreams

[pure sierra]

im trying, hes better off not wasting his time

why reinvent the wheel, there are already clan based chat room system things, ie discord and theres another

[raven hornet]

Is it possible to change the in game font?

I love the font, but I'm working on a project that involves OCR and the font is giving me fits.

[long raft]

yes, people have modded it

that asset can be overridden, but you cannot change size and stuff

[raven hornet]

Really? Do you have a link handy? My googlefu failed me earlier.

[long raft]

uhh you should find the discord for the mod

maybe teto is the one who does fonts? i dunno theres been some comic sans and stuff, possible skaj's sound mod discord

[lunar cobalt]

There's comic sans, but also, I think running OCR may be against the TOS, so you may want to check that with @lean forum

[raven hornet]

Why would that be against TOS?

I can't even find a ToS, just the Code of Conduct.

[idle ether]

netcode please fix

[wanton cliff]

@raven hornet trying to scrape the logistical info?

[pure sierra]

so i dont think it would be against tos explicitly to use ocr for own personal uses but

[raven hornet]

That's a potential, for sure

[pure sierra]

anyone use php here regularly ?

[olive hamlet]

I do in my day job

[pure sierra]

@olive hamlet So ive been using it for years and just learnt something new that took me years to notice had been coded 'wrong'

I never knew a switch's break will also effect an outter foreach loop if its in one

[long raft]

it ... will?

it shouldnt...

[pure sierra]

crazyy hey ! i looked over it for years, apparently unique to php

https://www.php.net/manual/en/control-structures.continue.php

Note: In PHP the switch statement is considered a looping structure for the purposes of continue. continue behaves like break (when no arguments are passed) but will raise a warning as this is likely to be a mistake. If a switch is inside a loop, continue 2 will continue with the next iteration of the outer loop.

https://www.php.net/manual/en/control-structures.switch.php

[long raft]

well continue, sure, but break?

[pure sierra]

Note: Note that unlike some other languages, the continue statement applies to switch and acts similar to break. If you have a switch inside a loop and wish to continue to the next iteration of the outer loop, use continue 2.

[long raft]

wow to me continue is how you continue looping, its the exact opposite of break

[pure sierra]

also never know continue took argument

[long raft]

one of my biggest complaints about programming languages is that they break 1 loop, you cant say like break 2; break 3; to break out of nested loops

[pure sierra]

i think u can in php

[long raft]

but thats nice if thats a php feature

[pure sierra]

with continue not break

[long raft]

its frustrating it doesnt exist in uhh ... more based languages, sometimes it forces you to use a damn goto statement

[pure sierra]

continue accepts an optional numeric argument which tells it how many levels of enclosing loops it should skip to the end of. The default value is 1, thus skipping to the end of the current loop.

[long raft]

does break allow that too?

[pure sierra]

you use contine instead of break in that case

[long raft]

but they ... mean different things

[pure sierra]

continue 3 would be same as break 2

[long raft]

interesting.

[pure sierra]

loop inception

[long raft]

why dont they just make that viable with break?

its easier to read

[pure sierra]

yeah im guessing they did it for continue rather than break , so break is still allmight all powerfull get me out of everything looped but continue with argument will in effect break the current loop but continue at the specified outer loop level

[long raft]

break only gets out of 1 loop tho

hmm

[pure sierra]

sorry yim wrong

break accepts an optional numeric argument which tells it how many nested enclosing structures are to be broken out of. The default value is 1, only the immediate enclosing structure is broken out of.

break can do it too

[long raft]

i feel like continue 3 is only the same as break 2 if its at the very end of the outer-most loop

wow php having something i want ... shocking

also my other beef is with case sensitive languages. in the 21st century. why.

[pure sierra]

its quite versitile due to popularity

are you saying they shouldnt be ? why ?

[long raft]

why are they case sensitive??

so you can have variable X and variable x??

thats the worst reason ever

BASIC has been case insensitive for many many decades and its great

[pure sierra]

"In PHP, variable and constant names are case sensitive, while function names are not."

[long raft]

yea, thats nonsensical too

[pure sierra]

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/33273941/php-case-sensitivity

[long raft]

even the languages i love the most are case sensitive, it makes me mad. i feel similar to file systems, but at least i understand some reason why that happens

in the case of file systems, OS developers implement them generally in the kernel and dont want to bring localization into kernel code, so thats fine

[pure sierra]

i think its just good practise to be case sensitive when generally everything else is too, and case is string related and that is case sensitive too

[long raft]

case sensitivity just leads to extra programming work, and for dynamic languages like php/javascript it leads to errors

BASIC does it best, the first use of a variable defines its preferred casing, the IDE will match the casing when youre typing, but it will certainly match a variable without casing

[long raft]

yeah php is the most inconsistent language ive ever used

no, c++ is, php is #2

[pure sierra]

"I also remember a quotation from Rasmus in a PHP conference in Paris saying more or less: "I'm definitely not a good programmer, in terms of following strict coding rules or standards, but I can say that if you rely on case sensitivity to recognize one function name from another, you're in kind of serious trouble!" '

[long raft]

indeeed.

ive yet to get a good justification for this

[pure sierra]

i think its just legacy

[long raft]

nah, it cannot be. some of these languages, e.g. c# are new, and they have no respect for legacy

with some of the smartest developers on earth, and they chose case sensitive, ugh

[pure sierra]

the language may be new but to make porting of code easy maybe they stuck with legacy

[long raft]

its unlikely you can port code without rewriting parts anyway, so that cant be why

some people say case can be used to convey information, which i agree with, but case insensitivity does not remove that

perhaps its just for the same of like ... compile time rofl

[pure sierra]

so i just ordered the parts for me next (#2) mechanical keyboard

[long raft]

the ... parts?

[pure sierra]

https://kprepublic.com

[long raft]

omg how would you live without a numpad?

[pure sierra]

thats not my keyboard, but i dont have one

i have xd75

[long raft]

sounds hella expensive

[long raft]

ive never been a huge fan of mechanical keybaords they slow me down and theyre super noisy, i dunno why i bother using them

[pure sierra]

150 us

[long raft]

give me a cheap chicklet keyboard

[pure sierra]

the noisier the better

[long raft]

th... what.

[simple fjord]

the derpier the better

[simple fjord]

no noise sucks u gotta get brown keys hayden

get browns and stop being a clacker

[pure sierra]

except instead of qwerty i run dvorak

[long raft]

i only use mechanical at home id drive people at the office nuts if i had one

dvorak lol

[pure sierra]

i ordered 60g jade heavyy

i work from home

[long raft]

hayden i never knew you were a tech hipster

[simple fjord]

wtf is that keyboard layout

[pure sierra]

dvorak

[simple fjord]

that isnt a qwerty keyboard

[long raft]

the only other person i know who uses dvorak runs the irc network i use

[simple fjord]

it sux

[pure sierra]

u learn

[long raft]

but ... why

[simple fjord]

qwerty was specifically designed because it is the most ergonomic

[long raft]

he says its very annoying because he cant just go use a qwerty anywhere else now

[simple fjord]

scientifically proven

[pure sierra]

no the opposite

[long raft]

the science is not ... convincing

[pure sierra]

it was arranged that way for type writers

[long raft]

i type faster than any dvorak user

[simple fjord]

tr00

[pure sierra]

i can use qwerty still

[simple fjord]

i can out type da best

[long raft]

i gave it a try for a few months but .. meh

[simple fjord]

LOL IRC

[long raft]

i know, right?

[simple fjord]

Bro let me join ur IRC community

I wanna play !uno again

[long raft]

irc dying hard 😦

[pure sierra]

this is next level, im not game

[long raft]

just a handful of people left who talk

[simple fjord]

yeah

[long raft]

oof that looks super cool but i cant homerow

[simple fjord]

I used IRC back in the days when I played a game called "Cybernations"

[long raft]

that would definitely slow me down and im not convinced by ergonomics

[simple fjord]

its still I think played todays

browser based nation building game with like alliances and politics and stuff

it was super fun

[long raft]

im convinced good wrist angle more valuable than repetitive motion

and foxhole building has done way more damage than any typing

[pure sierra]

lol yyyeah

[long raft]

gives me straight up tendonitis

[simple fjord]

oh shit yeah cybernations is still up and online after all these years

2006-2021

[pure sierra]

my y is repeating currentlyy in my current build due to broken solder joint i havent fixed yyet

[long raft]

2006 ... lol that doesnt even feel very long ago to me

[simple fjord]

thats when I used IRC lol

xfire was hot back then too

man I miss xfire..

[long raft]

im using a mechanical keyboard i saw on sale for $25 and then i spilled scotch on my normal keybaord and have to use this RGB mechanical gaming keybaord

supposedly its cleanable but omg removing all those keys, omg ... so awful would rather just buy a new cheap one

[pure sierra]

there is cheap tool to remove them easy fast

u can also get silent mechanical if noise is an issue but still have mech action, feel and adjustable weight

im listening to a lot of twitch now while i work

Im also loving Drupal, ive never really got it until this time actually starting a site from scratch

[olive hamlet]

That's one of those things I discovered years ago then forgot again 😄 no doubt I will forget it this time again too and I'll sit there swearing at my code for an hour until it clicks

[long raft]

yea when you think you know a language you find out you know most of it

[deft quartz]

Hmm.. Are you sure about that? Wanna try some javascript challenge?

[pure sierra]

?

sure

[deft quartz]

Let me get on my laptop. I got some intricate javascript code that defy the normal thinking

[pure sierra]

sure.

im off to bed now but will read in morning

[quick socket]

🤔 hi everyone, not sure if anyone is interested, but i just went through and fixed up JonnyPtn's foxholewar (https://github.com/JonnyPtn/foxholewar) python api wrapper. It hadn't been updated since Feb 10th.

updated the map hex list.
changed a lot of CamelCasing to snake_casing.
updated string concatenations to f'strings'. (requires python => 3.6)
updated type hinting.
removed unused/unnecessary code.
renamed references shadowing built-in's
added a session close() method to the Client class, as well as support for live1 and live2.
updated the unittest test.py file to utilize the close method on tearDown().
separated the fetch map code out of fetch_maps() method in the Client class and threaded the fetch_map() calls within fetch_maps() for improved speed.
added a dynamic map data dictionary cache and time checking to handle warapi's 3 second timer on dynamic map data fetching.

https://github.com/crushkilldestroy/FoxholePythonAPI

[quick socket]

nice, i'm using workman (https://workmanlayout.org/) myself.

right now i'm working off of keyboard filtering in linux, on a mechanical qwerty. but my friend is going to be sending me his split workman keyboard as soon as he builds his new one. so 👍 to the others curious about them, those split keyboards are nice, and you don't really have to worry about the missing keys as they support full multi-layering, and it's just a matter of getting used to it.

[long raft]

https://tenor.com/view/wtf-gif-14533740

which key is the space ... button? it should be a bar

[tender night]

that is not the issue with this keyboard

[long raft]

its a start

[quick socket]

lol, whichever key you want it to be. though, i believe it's one of the bottom inner keys. they can be entirely remapped with "quantum mechanical keyboard" or qmk.

[quick socket]

you can also change the keycaps to whatever you like, lol. (i plan to)

[tender night]

thank god

what this keyboard currently has is nothing short of unholy

[quick socket]

🤣 pretty much

[lunar cobalt]

It crossed that line a loooong time ago

[pure sierra]

$90 mechanical calc
https://www.switchkeys.com.au/products/tentaku-mechanical-calculator

and a wtf

oh and dont forget https://www.switchkeys.com.au/collections/lubricants

[coral sundial]

Some people actually like those

Its supposed to be ergonomic

[quick socket]

so 🤔 after drunkenly cleaning up that python api wrapper (the result of which i posted the other day) i decided to go for a full rewrite. i dropped the requests and json libraries in exchange for the httpx library.

so far i've created a bunch of enumerators, incorporated yaml into the project design, and created asynchronous batch json fetcher that takes a list of urls and returns a list of json responses. i've redesigned the map data fetching, and map object building process. i still have a lot of work to do to expand the rework to cover the entire api. but so far the results are much much much faster. 👍 will post a link when i finish up the initial version.

[languid harness]

diesel punk computer controls of your super advanced mech

I actually want that for my super long term film project I am working on

[elder iron]

Is there a way that I could make a bot with the api that could display the current map?

in a discord server

[pure sierra]

sure

[elder iron]

So there is ok so I got to find a starting ground because I have no clue where to start

[pure sierra]

do you want the whole world map ? its pretty big ? what is you rintended outcome ? what are you loking for ?

[elder iron]

like you know how the foxholestats.com has a picture of the map

that is what I want

[pure sierra]

ok

[elder iron]

like it would display something like this

[pure sierra]

sure

do you have any coding experience

[elder iron]

yeah I was going to code into my python discord bot

[elder iron]

Yes with python and minor knowledge in other lanuages

[pure sierra]

ok so i generate that colored background image in python

[elder iron]

is that what you would do?

[pure sierra]

oh we had a nuke earlier

just realised

[elder iron]

in what server?

[pure sierra]

1

[elder iron]

o wow

[elder iron]

Dang

[pure sierra]

anyyway

so you could potentially just use my generated images in your bot rather than going to the effort to code their creation,

up to you

[elder iron]

how would I do that

I have no expirence in that with python

[pure sierra]

well thats why im suggesting maybe for now just use my images

[elder iron]

use your images?

[pure sierra]

yes from my site

https://foxholestats.com/images/WorldMapControl.png

that is the control layyer

this is the bg https://foxholestats.com/images/worldmap2.png

[elder iron]

so that updates with the state of the war or?

[pure sierra]

yyes the colored control one updates each minute if theres a change

just suffix the url with a unique number to not use cache

https://foxholestats.com/images/worldmap2.png?t=123

https://foxholestats.com/images/WorldMapControl_borders_named.png

use that borders instead

[elder iron]

do you have combined one

[pure sierra]

no, you have to do that

[elder iron]

I am trying to think how I would do this

[pure sierra]

yyyou need a graphic library for python

https://opensource.com/article/19/3/python-image-manipulation-tools

[elder iron]

I am lost lol got to do some research

[pure sierra]

so yyou need to use python to copy the images i supplied to your system

then use a image library to layer them on top of each other and save the result

then post it with your bot

[elder iron]

Ohhhhhhh I am dumb lol

[elder iron]

Thanks for the help

[pure sierra]

sure thing

[pure sierra]

war over

[lunar cobalt]

Yup

[elder iron]

where is the second shard png?

[pure sierra]

shard2.foxholestats.com

[elder iron]

no like this https://foxholestats.com/images/WorldMapControl.png but for the second shard

[elder iron]

o ok

[lunar cobalt]

https://shard2.foxholestats.com/images/WorldMapControl.png

[elder iron]

thanks for helping the slow in coding