code-talk

[barren quarry]

map post png

[long raft]

i suppose i could use the truck icon =\

[long raft]

maybe ill just do that huh

[barren quarry]

obj.flags & 0x01

[long raft]

ick white doesnt look good

[barren quarry]

okay i have an aux bot that colors my icons

[long raft]

it needs an outline...

[barren quarry]

and it can outline too

[long raft]

yea i can color mine too but no automated bot to outline

can you outline it for me?

[barren quarry]

absolutely

[long raft]

thanks!

am curious how automated outline works

[barren quarry]

ha fun fact the last image i used outline for was for some reason this exact icon

give me a few minutes

@long raft unfortunately my outlining algorithm doesnt seem to work very well with round things like wheels

[long raft]

ah

[lunar cobalt]

Give me a couple minutes and I'll make a vector one @long raft

[barren quarry]

    function outline(x,y) {
        const color = jimp.intToRGBA(image.getPixelColor(x, y));
        if(color.a < 70) {
            image.setPixelColor(255, x, y);
        }
    }
    for (let x = 0; x < width; x++) {
        for (let y = 0; y < height; y++) {
            const color = image.getPixelColor(x, y);
            const colorHex = jimp.intToRGBA(color);
            if (color !== 255 && colorHex.a !== 0) {
                for (let k = x - 1; k <= x + 1; k++) {
                    for (let j = y - 1; j <= y + 1; j++) {
                        outline(Math.min(Math.max(k-1, 0), width), Math.min(Math.max(j-1, 0), height));
                    } 
                }
                
            }
        }
    }```

[long raft]

oh snap i can use a vector cant i for the favicon

[lunar cobalt]

How's that look

@long raft

[barren quarry]

Amazing

[long raft]

thats nice

do you have it with a transparent background?

[lunar cobalt]

Saving as SVG right now

[long raft]

yes!

[long raft]

thank you!

[languid harness]

😮 they have collapsible code blocks now!

[barren quarry]

these are not collapsible code blocks, these are text files

[coral sundial]

they even have selectable languange 😱

[mossy pelican]

its text file previews

you can change the language on the bottom right if its wrong

[languid harness]

Ah yes, I see it on my phone

Very cool

[agile cipher]

anyone know how to get the depth map for the game?

[barren quarry]

@agile cipher ask matt

We already tried but no luck

[agile cipher]

man
wanted to test out RTGI with this

[agile cipher]

should I ping him?

[barren quarry]

At your own risk

[long raft]

he showed us deadlands but he said he cant give them to us

no reason to ask matt. if anybody, ask mark

matt also said he couldnt provide them even if he wanted to - he waved his hand like a jedi as if we would believe it, but the one he showed us for deadlands was perfect

[mossy pelican]

@long raft @agile cipher deadlands depth map i think is this one? derp correct me

[long raft]

yes

[agile cipher]

oh that's a height map
I was talking about a depth map like this one, the kind used for post processing
that'd be cool too though, a lot of cool stuff you can do with it, like making renders overlayed with the foxhole topo map

I'll ask Mark and see if I get anywhere

[long raft]

god speed

i cannot imagine why anybody would need a ... depth map, is that a w buffer?

[agile cipher]

uh yeah I guess so
it's meant for post processing effects
with Reshade you can use a ray tracing filter thingy

so I wanted to test that out since it works great with TF2 and some other games

[agile cipher]

if anyone is curious about the depth map all you have to do is mess with the preprocessor settings

[tawdry thunder]

WAIT

I WANT IN

I need the depth maps

well I prefer to call them Contour maps

[agile cipher]

you mean height maps?

depth maps are the post processing thing

[agile cipher]

height maps are things like this

I've asked Mark, waiting on a response

[agile cipher]

like for example, before

[long raft]

whats the before image look like?

[agile cipher]

that's before*

after

chromatic aberration and HDR are meh, this is how it looks without

[long raft]

i have old man eyes im not sure i can appreciate it

[agile cipher]

lol
basically stronger shadows, darker environment, more occlusion, slightly better AO, and ray traced shadows

just visual tweaks really

I'm curious to see what the people who want height maps are looking forward to

[exotic hamlet]

i have low settings becuase my computer is dogshit after the dog ate dogshit from a dog who ate dogshit

so doesnt effect me much

plus shit eyes

[agile cipher]

I remember being there, Intel UHD 620 and could basically only run this at, like, 20-30FPS it was kinda sad
but I'm glad I have an actual GPU now, so I can run this at Ultra/60FPS

[exotic hamlet]

hah i got a actual graphics card and shit. my computer is just a portal to the pits of hell

[agile cipher]

oh man
what GPU?

[exotic hamlet]

honestly id have to search for it cause im not awake enough to remember things

[agile cipher]

it be like that
hope you can get an upgrade soon

[long raft]

not to be my normal pessimistic self, but we arent getting height maps

[pure sierra]

we dont get nuttin unless we hack it....

[granite mica]

Can't have shit in foxhole

[agile cipher]

unless you wanna do it yourself, maybe it's possible since we know it uses Unreal 4

[long raft]

youd be a hero if you could figure it out, its not like people havent tried

plus theyd find a way to obfuscate it or nuke it like they did the satellite maps, removed from build now

[barren quarry]

@long raft because the layouts are no longer static I guess

With their new logi layer thing

So in game files are no longer a good reference

[long raft]

How do they create the maps then

Like at some point they start the engine, render them, take a picture, then modify them

[pure sierra]

did they nuke sat ? i thought it was with their support, was it a dev version exploit only ? @long raft

[long raft]

yea that was satellite maps 1

but then the unprocessed terrain textures were found in the assets of the build and could be taken out and combined together

which is how skaj made his own map colors

they were missing trees and rocks and grass but they were also more mathematically correct

yah the first satellite ones were fantastic, but i think those days are long gone

[barren quarry]

They stopped updating them since godcrofts got chopped

(Updating as in the asset files)

[agile cipher]

wonder why they won't give us heightmaps, is it not about the same as a topo map?

[long raft]

matt says it is not, but icanari rendered it as one and it looked great

also it would be additional work on some developer to prepare that for us each update

it would greatly improve our 3rd party apps tho

from rendering quality and info on maps to artillery calculators

we'd also like weather info in the API, but ya know i don't think were gonna get that either

[agile cipher]

damn didn't know weather was a real thing

maybe an update after every major update

[tawdry thunder]

Knowing how high up specific plateaus are would make Map-Based Arty calculators so much more accurate

[long raft]

wind is so wack tho im not sure

it would be useful with storm cannons probably only

[barren quarry]

wind endpoint would need to be a socket connection or something

otherwise you'd have to poll that shit literally every 2 seconds

[long raft]

yea thats way too much to ask for

just knowing if there are storms and how strong

[pure sierra]

more if snow winter

[coral sundial]

I'd like to know when the snow is snowier than before

[long raft]

sometimes i want to climb a mountain to screw about how much i hate javascript

why is it so stupid slow.

[long raft]

[barren quarry]

you need to compile it first

[long raft]

yah i wish

also i havent used firefox in a while - holy crap is the javascript slow on firefox

[agile cipher]

no response from mark 😔

[summer bobcat]

I highly recommend contacting @lean forum

individual DMs flood the devs' discord

[agile cipher]

tells me "no server found"

[frank frigate]

that sounds like a fuckton of fun tbh

[pure sierra]

game is so dead, shard 2 is killing it

shard 1

shard2

[grand remnant]

I agree

Remove Shard 2.

Not sure the exact reason for not expanding server capacity, but everyone I’ve talked to in-game about it agrees that hundreds or even thousands of player battles in the same hexes would be a truly awesome experience.

[languid harness]

sadly, the servers have their limitations

beside it is not always a case of more ram is more performace server wise

not to speak of how it would impact the game (very high populations have always proven to require some intervention regarding SS production for example)

@grand remnant So merging the two servers, although the dream, isnt a case of a just using one server

[kind glacier]

🤔

[coral sundial]

thats just a bad project manager

[kind glacier]

well, yeah

[long raft]

O(n^2) is why they cant keep expanding server capacity

[languid harness]

exactly

[pure sierra]

F shard 2

[barren quarry]

Finally

[long raft]

for now.

[sleek ermine]

been lagging very badly since the shard merger
can anyone help with this?

[barren quarry]

#technical-chat

[safe mist]

Can update Home's maps images ? 🙂

[rocky girder]

Surely using the hex system set up on the map though there is a case of using a load balancer and possibly moving to a server per hex in times of high traffic. In times of lower traffic you could run multiple hexes off of one server. In my mind I am imagining this done using AWS EC2s but obviously they may be using much different setups themselves.

I’m also just speculating.

[languid harness]

Thats fine. Devs have in the past indicated that they are dealing with bottlenecks in server capacity; they have slowly managed to increase player count per map over the years, so its something they are always working on 🙂

[rocky girder]

Ah of course. I respect that too. They’re doing a great job overall though. It’s not easy.

[fervent spear]

Also, i found some resources giving me first the efficient way to do things and later the easy.
Like, i'm using python, if i wanted efficient i would be using something properly compiled, give me answers by character count

[long raft]

i dunno where i got the hex shape to overlay as borders on leaflet, but its not accurate to the actual image

[pure sierra]

i made one with python

even though its about 3k that maxs the game systems out, even at the current 2.3k players there are big queues across all 7 column fronts..... 💩

[long raft]

yea everybody wants to fight on the fronts, not the rear

more back line regions wont help

[long raft]

been workin hard on a logiwaze mobile. painfully hard. but have discovered some stuff that might be useful to fhs and foxhole global

ill share it after im done, i want to be first at it

[safe mist]

How to get the images of the maps of the game from the local files?

[long raft]

i dont think theyre in there anymore

[long raft]

reject voronoi, embrace krig

[barren quarry]

@long raft is that the fucking lord of the rings font?

[long raft]

not even close

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tengwar <- lord of the rings font

[long raft]

i dont know which font it is anymore i renamed it, but its like an insular uncial

[barren quarry]

this looks awfully similar

[long raft]

"celtic"

[barren quarry]

aaah

how the fuck did you do this in leaflet

[long raft]

the celts on the british isles merged roman uncial (c 2nd-3rd century) with their sort of runic handwriting

oh man, the shit i have done in leaflet now. for performance. omg.

i had to render my roads to canvas as rasters because vector shapes on layers are just too slow, and they absolutely choke a smart phone

so i had to segment the roads, group them into rectangles and scan for when theyre visible on any given tile

and i did the same for font...

and its pretty fast. so im gonna slow it down by adding more shit rofl

[barren quarry]

i see

but i was asking about the coloring

[long raft]

and the colonial font is more of a traditional roman

oh the coloring, yea ... working on it. it's kriging

this is what they use in real geo spatial probability estimates. given a set of known points (town halls) you can predict what the value will be at any given (x, y)

but the shit im most proud of is way easier and not even related to leaflet and i figure others might make use of it

progressive web applications ... so easy. so nice.

turns your web page into an installable app that automatically downloads and caches offline all the assets

just needs a service worker to handle which files are cached and a manifest file with requirements (icons are most important)

[barren quarry]

so the coloring is a leaflet object or an overlayed image?

[long raft]

leaflet has this object called a GridLayer you can extend and create custom canvas tiles, like the way the map tiles work

im just creating them on the fly

so i guess its an overlayed image

i hate the way roads are considered controlled by proximity, not actual geographic layout - like a river should cut off who controls a road on my router, but its hard to do

[barren quarry]

one minor complaint

the font is sometimes hard to read

[long raft]

because youre not used to the font or its too small?

im kind of OK with you zoomers not being able to read 1200 year old handwriting styles. i might make a hover-over if its that bad

[barren quarry]

a bit of both i guess

[long raft]

the colonial font is easy to read?

i was gonna use a gothic font but then decided not to because holy shit thatd be unreadable to the young people

i feel like only matt, if anybody, would appreciate my font choices corresponding to the faction lore

[barren quarry]

i feel like the labels would be massively improved by making the font 2-3 pixels bigger

[long raft]

ok ill make a note

[barren quarry]

oh by the way another advice

[long raft]

i havent posted the beta yet, the logiwaze site currently is not reflecting my current changes

[barren quarry]

i have this thing on my website where i only show major labels until a certain zoom

and if its like really zoomed in i show minor labels

[long raft]

ah yea i have that too, i think maybe you recommended it

[barren quarry]

Oh wait

you do!

yes sorry it does work

just not sure if this is the correct level to enable minor labels at

[long raft]

i can show you the beta, let me post

[barren quarry]

but yeah fantastic job

[long raft]

the only vector shape i have left is the actual route, which looks weird when it zooms, but w/e

https://nouderp.github.io/logiwaze-beta/

last big problem is the navigation panel gets in the way of the map, i have to solve that

[barren quarry]

did you make the icons part of the image?

[long raft]

yea

for performance

and it helps with the order/layer/z-index

[barren quarry]

but you cant have any events

[long raft]

events like what?

[barren quarry]

hmmm

okay maybe on your website you dont need them

[long raft]

i could use an invisible marker if i needed to do something

but if you have 1 layer with all the icons on it, every time you move the map it has to redraw them all

same as the text labels

the road shapes are the worst, tho

did it prompt you to install logiwaze?

thats the part i thought you might make use of, or hayden

[barren quarry]

i havent done logi in years

[long raft]

i mean for your sites

up in the address bar is an install link. if you install it, it will download all the assets and cache them, so all the image requests are local, and its basically a windows/android/iphone program

its called progressive web apps

[barren quarry]

logiwaze is one of the very few projects that didnt die after like 3 weeks so i definitely have academical interest

technologies are very different though

did you use typescript?

[long raft]

nah just ugly javascript

[barren quarry]

my condolences

[long raft]

PWAs do not need a special language or compilation

you just need a manifest file and a serviceworker script

its very easy

[barren quarry]

typescript is not about "needing" anything

its more about keeping track of variable types across files

because sooner or later you will get lost

[long raft]

for sure. object orientation in javascript is a nightmare

you just have to know conventions

but i think its really cool to turn a website into an installable program

i guess its basically just a shortcut to a webpage, but it has the advantage is caches all the assets offline

and it shows up in the programs lists on the computer...

[barren quarry]

@long raft haha apparently you can enable progressive web app in CRA by changing 1 line of code

yeah i guess i'll try that

[long raft]

you might need to specify which files are cached as offline assets

but ya, pretty cool feature

first time i think ive seen it is with uhh code-server (vscode)

and i wondered now how the hell do they do that?

it has requirements, tho, like you have to be on https, you need to put a 192x192 and 512x512 icon in the manifest, a short or long name for it, and you have to use a serviceworker (which is a few lines javascript file)

or you wont get the prompt to install

[long raft]

@lunar cobalt can you do magic outlining on this?

[cerulean urchin]

Came here to say service workers for progressive web applications are my favorite part of web development. It's so cool how they work, and the benefits you get from using them 👍

[long raft]

yea this is new to me, pretty useful

hotter than july

[ruby valley]

https://youtu.be/T4kk4shHSek

something I whipped up overnight

[long raft]

nice

i see the windows forms icon?

[safe mist]

I have something simpler 😆

[long raft]

does it use a site?

[ruby valley]

nope, it is completely offline

currently using OCR to grab the coordinates off the UI, I don't know if I can grab it from the game process directly

[long raft]

ocr, damn thats sweet

you probably arent allowed to grab it ... directly

[ruby valley]

wink wink

[long raft]

are you watching the clipboard for image copies maybe?

eh silly derp ideas

[ruby valley]

it takes a screenshot of azim and distance coord then process it for text

doesn't work well if you're aiming at snow or something bright colored

[long raft]

is it consistent at night? or same problem?

[barren quarry]

i have a friend who did something like that in python a couple months ago

[ruby valley]

during night it is much better

how do you display custom UI in the game map like this?

[ruby valley]

this

[safe mist]

i'm use leafletjs

[ruby valley]

ah ok

[safe mist]

I'm generate map image form https://github.com/clapfoot/warapi/tree/master/Images/Maps

[barren quarry]

Holy shit these github embeds are sexy

[long raft]

a lot of people use leaflet ...

i dont love it anymore. sometimes i think webgl would be better for the massive scaling we need to do with these maps

i feel like ive pushed leaflet to the bounds now

[barren quarry]

"almost everyone"

[ruby valley]

im more interested on calculating the coords as fast as possible

[long raft]

yea almost

i tried making an alexa app for arti calculations but ugh alexa is unpleasant to work with

its actually really hard to read coords aloud fox alexa with the right timing

theres all these timeouts on it, too

someone else made an ok google app

[ruby valley]

My current Y4 project is a voice controlled app

Whats the delay with alexa?

Our project takes about 10 second to get the voice to text result back from the cloud

[long raft]

it gives up very quickly if you have a few seconds of silence

i assume the delay is the cloud processing the audio it recorded

but all around kind of frustrating

its not a good API

[ruby valley]

yep

[long raft]

i cant even get a metronome app

[ruby valley]

My lecturer keep asking us if we can display stats real time

[long raft]

at best i can get a problem that will play a metronome sound file

[ruby valley]

Its pretty much impossible to get an immediate update due to the time it takes to upload and process the audio files

[long raft]

hmm i mean ... you can get good results using the web speech api

if youre not dependent on the cloud, and you can use the pcs power...

[ruby valley]

we have to put it on a phone so nope

[long raft]

still probably gets more CPU time than on the cloud ...

i hate how everything alexa goes throuhg amazon servers, so i cant even turn on my lights with my voice if my internet goes out

[barren quarry]

there are so many ways to do that

you can walk to the switch if you are younger than 80

you can use an ir remote

you can use a motion detector

you can use claps

[long raft]

i know but i had big hopes for alexa

i think it has a lot of potential for blind people, tho

its a welcome emphasis on audio

[barren quarry]

arent there like eye prosthetics already?

[long raft]

i think for particular forms of blindness yes but theyre expensive and not at all mainstream

being locked out of a lot of technology is still a common problem for people with vision problems

[barren quarry]

not having eyes is not a very mainstream problem too i guess

[long raft]

hell i just rammed color down a community's throat thats probably 25% colorblind with logiwaze

just realizing i havent done anything helpful to people who cant see a complete spectrum

[barren quarry]

thats a dev issue

shouldve made colonials yellow

[long raft]

i suppose i could use patterns instead of just colors for indicators

beyond just the factions i used it for indicators all over

[barren quarry]

i really miss the times when structure flags had emblems

[long raft]

and when they were obviously a specific color

before the great desaturation

[barren quarry]

the NML filter can straight up go fuck itself

especially at night

[ruby valley]

Any warden here wanna help me test my artillery calculator?

[paper lake]

oooo

yeah that be cool

my artillery calculator doesnt work ;-;

@ruby valley

[pure sierra]

so some player in game mentioned to me that in last update they added more roads going off map in the backline maps, that maybe this indicated they where going to add more adjoining maps there, and go square world rather than diamond to avoid high pop being unable to fit into reducing maps as game progressed...

[barren quarry]

oh you mean moors

[pure sierra]

i think thats what they gave as the example

[barren quarry]

well i mean matt is still on payroll and he has to earn it

might as well draw new maps

[pure sierra]

they need it

[barren quarry]

in this regard north east is totally fucked

[pure sierra]

train tunnel

[barren quarry]

great march also had roads going into nowhere for a while

but you cant expand from great march

[pure sierra]

anything is possible, they make the rules

[neat fossil]

lmao

[tight hawk]

New here but just thinking out loud- there could be a wrinkle available for higher player difficulties and maybe a new play style in a third , rogue like faction, which had special de jure regions , inaccessible during normal game mechanics. Just a possibility especially if expanding player base and popularity has the potential to put some muck in the milk shake. 👋

[fervent kelp]

I think the devs have said that their focus right now is more on refining the current game mechanics rather than implementing totally new mechanics which might take the game in another direction

[elder prairie]

@here I have a question about the war API: on the endpoint /worldconquest/warReport/:mapName, what is the totalEnlistments field ? I can't seem to comprehend what it is all about. Thanks in advance for any response

Here is the github, if anyone don't know about it https://github.com/clapfoot/warapi#map-data

[languid harness]

Lmao, he used @/here

I have made no application of foxhole before, but iirc its the total amount of players ever entering the server at least once during the duration of that war

@elder prairie so a totEnl of 1000 means that there have been 1000 steam accounts who logged into the game at any point of that war

[elder prairie]

Oh okay thx! Whats the pb with @/here?

[pure sierra]

this iis correct, but it iis not unique between all maps, so its kind of useless and ive stopped showing it

[long raft]

if here worked, youd be pinging like 100,000 people

[languid harness]

Well, its blocked here for starters, but to paraphrase Derp, that would ping such a huge amount of people that you could barely visualize it

[elder prairie]

Oh okay x)

[safe mist]

How did you get (export) it's images (Maps, item icons, ...) ?
Exemple :

• https://github.com/clapfoot/warapi/tree/master/Images
• https://github.com/the-fellowship-of-the-warapi/Assets

How the images are recovered from the game ?

[safe mist]

Home's images map not updated ...

The images, they must recover them somewhere from the game. But how?

[kind glacier]

It's clapfoot's API github, pretty sure they don't recover their own images from the game

[barren quarry]

The first repo is maintained by foxhole devs

But also you can extract game assets using UE4

[safe mist]

How to do?

[barren quarry]

accept request so I can dm

[neat fossil]

Sup nerds

😎

[frosty sentinel]

Is there any api with all ingame items available?

[languid harness]

can you specify @frosty sentinel

if you want info on all equipment, you can check the Foxhole wiki!

It is managed by the community, so if you see an error, don't refrain from correcting it as well 🙂

[frosty sentinel]

I am thinking about creating a project. The war api is a good start but I also need the names of all items

[languid harness]

can you specify your idea?

[frosty sentinel]

Users can create orders for specific items - so they need to select from a list

[languid harness]

that is nice yeah

[frosty sentinel]

I could probably parse the wiki as a last resort

[languid harness]

A page like this might be helpfull 🙂 https://foxhole.fandom.com/wiki/Factory

its indeed not a nice api that gets auto-updated, but it might be usefull

[frosty sentinel]

Json or xml would be better but I couldnt find anything yet

[languid harness]

we use a system called DBL to update stuff wiki-wide; I don't know how it exactly works, but perhaps something usefull can be found there 🙂

if you join the Foxhole gamepedia discord, you can ask the guys, they might know something

you can find the link by ctrl+f'ing in the #community-resources

[frosty sentinel]

Thanks anyway. I will put that item topic away for now

[kind glacier]

the new domain is still broken

[languid harness]

oh wat

thats weird, it works fine for me

what browser are you using? @kind glacier

[kind glacier]

Firefox

[languid harness]

me too

weird

is it only this page, or others too? If so, are you running any novelty advert blockers?

[kind glacier]

all of them

Hm. Since when is the wiki page an ad

lol

For whatever reason the adblock is blocking the page content but I can't seem to figure out why

are they hiding an ad in the text or something

[languid harness]

If you aren't a pro user, you get ads

these are embedded via some method in the contents to prevent people from just using the site appearently

I have editted enough to be ad free, so idk

[kind glacier]

So they've made it so that if you block ads they'll just keep the content from you out of spite? Wow.
Fuck 'em.

[languid harness]

Well, don't blame them, they don't charge commission

its either they run adds or they are reliant on donations, and they have chosen the former

and if you edit enough, they dissappear anyway

[kind glacier]

if they run ads they shouldn't be surprised when people run adblock

[languid harness]

well, its impacting their profits. Its like saying a supermarket shouldnt mind thiefery :p

or "profits", do they actuall run a profit?

[kind glacier]

lord knows music companies try to keep people from listening to their music in a way that wasn't paid for.

[languid harness]

can't blame them, money needs to come from somewhere /shrug

[kind glacier]

odd, I reloaded the page again with the adblock turned on and now the content is still visible

[languid harness]

they prolly just needed a cookie?

[kind glacier]

First two times I turned it off and back on again the content disappeared, so I don't know what changed

[languid harness]

enough crumbs 😉

[kind glacier]

plenty of trackers in need of blocking

fandom.com has 19 cookies 🤔

so what happens if I remove them...

content is still there

[mossy pelican]

It has nothing to do with the adblocker unless your adblocker sucks

I have an adblock too and the page works just fine. Firefox also

[kind glacier]

then it's something else that broke it

[cerulean urchin]

Hey I just wanted to showcase a small project I've been working on in regards to the logistical aspect of Foxhole. I know a lot of new players are always confused on what items they can make, and how much they cost, so I built a long needed logistics calculator.

Keep in mind that this is a minimal viable product, and you're the first ones I've shown. So there are a lot of small UI tweaks, features (like MPF costs), and the occasional bug. Let me know what you think 👍

https://foxholelogi.com/

Also @frosty sentinel the JSON file I used contains most the craftable items for both factions with item costs / descriptions. Feel free to use it as a start for your project if the wiki doesn't help, can be found here https://foxholelogi.com/assets/foxhole.json

[frosty sentinel]

Oh, nice

[languid harness]

looks good @cerulean urchin

I like the big buttons, people nowadays always try to keep everything 20x20px or something

[barren quarry]

@cerulean urchin i like how the description ui is very close to the in game one

[cerulean urchin]

Yeah I decided to mimic the UI for the item menus, down to the correct order even if you filter between warden / colonial. That way new players will feel right at home between the in-game factory vs the site 🙂

[languid harness]

good attention for detail

[long raft]

yea it looks good

[deep quest]

@pure sierra Foxholestats not showing W75 war recording for me

I could see recordings mid war of the ongoing war

[long raft]

@zealous sonnet do you think it would be possible to add the http header "Access-Control-Expose-Headers: ETag" thus allowing CORS requests to make use of the etag? It's sent but the browser strips it out because it's not specifically white listed in the acceptable headers for the client to read

[rocky spade]

@long raft we can look into that - can you make a github ticket on the WarAPI repo with more details about the use case? Thanks!

[long raft]

yes will do

[rocky spade]

If we know more about the context then we can test it on our end to make sure it will work in your case

[long raft]

god i hope i dont get myself cursed on this

[barren quarry]

@long raft you still don't want to make backend for your thing?

[long raft]

i dont think its a good idea

[tender venture]

··· −−− ···

[summer bobcat]

I thought your message was cut off and tried scrolling down...

[pure sierra]

@deep quest works for me ??

2. We will be upgrading our networking backend to integrate with Steam Networking Sockets to resolve some intermittent server instabilities that have been happening recently. If you recall, we had tested this upgrade several times last year, but ultimately backed out due to various issues. There have been many bug fixes with this integration both on ours and Valve's end since last year so we will be attempting the process once again.

[long raft]

oh wow i thought they committed on that last year

[fervent spear]

I think he means this

wich doesn't work for me either

[deep quest]

No, the video of the current war, that shows the frontline moving, as shown by @fervent spear

[barren quarry]

@long raft in case you're interested, i uploaded the nuked map icons

by the way

performance on mozilla on logiwaze is atrocious

yo these tile file sizes are a war crime

5_10_12 is 32kb on logiwaze

but i have it in 7kb

before uploading the tiles i run a compression bot

almost 5x file size difference

but no big difference in quality

[long raft]

really? i thought my compression levels were good

i actually didnt think file size was my problem, its pretty intense cpu calculations

yah ill take a look at the nuke icons, thanks

mozilla has shitty javascript, btw. just ...sad performance

[pure sierra]

ok, yeah it broke, still working out why, but this war will be lost for ever up intil now @fervent spear @deep quest .....

[pure sierra]

(i fixed it, but b4 now lost)

[agile cipher]

dunno if it's legal but apparently it's possible to rip game assets from UE4 games

so you could theoretically pull out the map or parts of it and stick it into blender and generate a heightmap

is this allowed?

[long raft]

people have tried.

[agile cipher]

ok it did not work

home region

absolutely no clue what this is

normal maps?

[pure sierra]

nothing is normal

[serene vortex]

I’ve ripped all assets with the UE4 extract command holy shit pls don’t sue me devs

Also you just need to stitch those together I think

Of course they are all end in .uasset

[agile cipher]

yeah thought so, I think the game sticks it together but I don't have any idea how it works
I'm sure someone who knows Unreal well could figure out out

[serene vortex]

Of course even if I did have those files I wouldn’t post them as that would be unauthorized redistribution, but I’m sure it would be ok to tell how to get the files

[agile cipher]

that would be cool

[serene vortex]

For each region however, you can export a 2048x2048 texture showing the roads of each regions, including the hard to see ones that are in the grass, very cool to look at

[long raft]

what?

can you export those for me?

oh its just the orange roads huh

they used to be colored, it was great

[serene vortex]

Well, orange roads ye. Also config files, icons, basically anything that isn’t literally the map itself like you said

[pure sierra]

@long raft at attention

[long raft]

?

[pure sierra]

talk of map extractions

[long raft]

oh, i mean the roads are hard

if i didnt have that devbranch map with the road colors i would never have been able to survey them all

its difficult even to update a few roads each month...

but i dont think orange road markers would help me

[pure sierra]

oh

[barren quarry]

@serene vortex those maps haven't been updated since last year sadly

[plush bolt]

@pure sierra not sure if you were aware of this already, but the foxholestats war replay begins at day 25 rather than day 0

never mind, I think you were aware

[pure sierra]

yeah, it was broken

@plush bolt thanks though

[long raft]

i figured out how to make good time lapse videos

start with a better overlay first, but then use minterpolate (motion interpolation) to increase frame rate

[languid harness]

Nice

Looks smooth

[little burrow]

-.-- . . -

[dreamy basin]

yeet?

[long raft]

recorded for like 10 hours

[languid harness]

lava lamp

[paper lake]

is that wut it is

[long raft]

lava lamp is what i was going for, actually

[barren quarry]

you want the data for the entire war?

[long raft]

whats the format look like?

i totally want it - but im scared it will take a lot of massage to work it into my renderer

[barren quarry]

start checkpoint, end checkpoint, array of diffs

[long raft]

you save your war states incrementally huh?

[barren quarry]

checkpoint: icon data for town halls/relics

[long raft]

download war state is new to me, mine is a complete mess

yes id like it, when you get a chance, this would be a fun war to render out

i guess i should wait for it to be over huh

[neat fossil]

hello, please do <rapiddecayzone>all structures=1, watchtower=0</rapiddecayzone> 😁

[long raft]

thats a damn good idea, what are the ranges on those?

[barren quarry]

well

now its my turn to suffer

[long raft]

https://tenor.com/view/confused-hey-what-happened-what-smile-gif-4968346

oh it rolled over into the month, i see

[fervent spear]

It happened on the 30th to hayden too

[pure sierra]

@barren quarry

different libraries using different number of days 30 or 31 for how many days in a month gap

[long raft]

i have never thought about that before

[plush bolt]

@pure sierra counter showing completed war length still bugged as previous

[pure sierra]

@plush bolt thanks, fixed now

[bronze rain]

When foxholestats broke before the wardens did

[flat thunder]

you cant break a warden during warden weekend

[knotty elbow]

ye

[serene vortex]

Bottle-neck identified: large amounts of players in one position on your screen results in over-utilization of a single CPU core.

[tough stag]

Oof

[serene vortex]

Is it possible to multi-thread other players in your session (from a programming standpoint)?

[tough stag]

That heart be pumping

[long raft]

only through 1 valve

[serene vortex]

1080 Ti is at only 49% on beyond max settings

Limitation of UE4, or fixable?

[pure sierra]

its just not that graphically heavy of a game, (thank god) @serene vortex

[serene vortex]

Yeah I meant the players running on a single thread being changeable. Obviously a massive technical challenge in any program.

[pure sierra]

the stuff of @fickle aurora dreams http://www.mynor.org/tranor

[serene vortex]

No solid state caps? Absolutely awful. Zero out of /1

[pure sierra]

Only a single NOR gate is used to perfom all computations such as addition, subtraction, AND, OR and XOR.

[long raft]

lol

[pure sierra]

@barren quarry you there ?

[barren quarry]

yea whats up

[pure sierra]

might be ok

from the tiling code

w = width / 5.5
k = w * 3**(0.5) / 2

what is k ? height ?

[barren quarry]

k is height

i dont know why i named it k

but yea

[pure sierra]

is it height and width of a tile ?

[barren quarry]

its height and width of a hexagon

derived from the width of the world map

if by tile you mean hexagon then yes

didnt think you were in the business of leaflet world maps

[pure sierra]

im doing it php, not for leaflet

[barren quarry]

alright

im here to answer more questions

[pure sierra]

could i just use the pixel dimensions of the map tile image instead ??

[barren quarry]

i mean

if you have a world map and you're trying to build a layout of icons, you start with these calculations

if you are working with one region you dont need this

[pure sierra]

does this look ok

`
$w = 1024;
$k = 888;

$o = [
'y'=> ($k5) /2,
'x'=> ($w5.5) /2,
];
`

[barren quarry]

yeah i guess

sometimes wacky shit renders and you need to change + to - or something

[pure sierra]

close

[long raft]

i name my variables i, s, t, u, v, m, mm, ss, uu, basically in that order

cant burn calories thinking about naming when you can just use a refactor tool later...

[pure sierra]

i just had the deadlands file not renamed wrong, so all working with GD

[long raft]

gd?

[pure sierra]

https://www.php.net/manual/en/ref.image.php

[long raft]

ah

[barren quarry]

deadlandsHex instead of deadLandsHex?

[pure sierra]

yep

[barren quarry]

haha i have that issue every time i update ss

[pure sierra]

my reminders too

[long raft]

what are you building?

[pure sierra]

just a big static map at the start of each war

[barren quarry]

i tried to do that a while ago and it didnt go well i think

[pure sierra]

im basically there

[long raft]

?

[pure sierra]

as i already have code from ages back b4 leaflet that makes each map tile with items on it

just have to tile them together

[barren quarry]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/485386588575236106/846804646818218024/file.jpg?width=669&height=669

[pure sierra]

nice

[long raft]

this is to add the map markers?

[pure sierra]

?

[long raft]

how come you want a static map?

[pure sierra]

just as reference for players

[long raft]

trying to imagine how a static map is useful

to see the starting locations? or the amenities around the map?

[pure sierra]

both

[barren quarry]

i wonder if theres ever gonna be a war start without critical bugs/glitches, without delays, with normal layout and with a map posted several days ahead

[long raft]

not a good war

[pure sierra]

they had one month and best they can do is remove smoke ...

[long raft]

i implemented copy and paste for the map image (and working on download image) and omg it was a pain in the ass

i find myself wondering why i ever used leaflet, i could have written this stuff from scratch easier at this point

now im also aware theres like 3-4 competing products to leaflet

ive had to just re-implement 90% of the things leaflet does

[barren quarry]

@long raft logiwaze doesnt have map tiles?

[long raft]

it does

[barren quarry]

well i dont see them

[long raft]

i built a hidden layer (opacity: 0) on top that has a copy of the image

theyre there

i did fix the seam issue in leaflet by re-implementing tile layers completely

[barren quarry]

so whats the point of a map that doesnt have the map

[long raft]

?

what do you mean doesnt have the map?

[long raft]

oh thats you

ctrl + f5

[barren quarry]

aha!

okay

yeah it looks cool

[long raft]

damn javascript caching, right?

[barren quarry]

yea

[long raft]

when are you guys gonna adopt kriging?

reject voronoi

[barren quarry]

when the devs do

[long raft]

god so many issues with ... text, too... rendering clean text is a damn nightmare in javascript

[barren quarry]

welcome to javascript

[long raft]

i want a damn cross platform implementation of cleartype in canvas

i guess ill find out when it rolls out, was just thinking you guys both have per-region maps with all the static utilities of the region

[exotic steppe]

@long raft Minor feature request: Be able to change the font used on the map. What you have right now is interesting looking and all but its a bit hard to read for me. Whatever font you are already using in the map layer checkmark box would work.

[long raft]

ooof

[exotic steppe]

also noticed just now that the names of the various hexes aren't appearing anywhere from what I can see

for the newer players

oh wait my bad

didnt zoom out enough

[long raft]

i rendered out the last day or so of last war, ugh i dont like it. i think sampling the map every 5 minutes is actually way too often

theres just too much back and forth, and then suddenly things move, then move back

[pure sierra]

@exotic steppe

[exotic steppe]

hi

u rang

[pure sierra]

16896x13320 pixels

[exotic steppe]

oh thats why my cellphone isn't renderimg that img

[pure sierra]

it dont work for me either.

[exotic steppe]

well its got 225,054,720 pixels in it

[pure sierra]

https://foxholestats.com/images/cache/test.jpg

[dusky fossil]

Thank You, I have been looking for something similar for a while

[pure sierra]

neat

mre just wanted one generated at the start of each war, is that ok for you too ?

cool

@exotic steppe did you get it open ?

[exotic steppe]

cant try right now, am at work & on cellphone discord

[pure sierra]

np

its all done now

so, it will generate a new map at start of each war

[fickle aurora]

most glorious thing I ever seen

[barren quarry]

that moment when you have to balance artistic vision with what people actually want

[long raft]

that's the truth. although I have the choice to stay artist and please nobody but myself...

[pure sierra]

@fickle aurora it is really well made and beautiful

[safe mist]

How do you do the zones?

[pure sierra]

@safe mist voronoi

[tawdry thunder]

@pure sierra do you have historical data for this

[safe fog]

Clapfoot, regarding "winter weather" -- it would be invaluable data to extract visibility plots, temperature zones, precipitation plots, stationary fronts, day/night variables. Is this something Clapfoot could provide within the API?

[safe mist]

Thx 👍 How did you get the positions of the zones for voronoi ?

[safe mist]

We have already proposed this : https://github.com/clapfoot/warapi/issues/80

[barren quarry]

d3 delaunay handles the logic

other than that its just basic canvas manipulations

[safe fog]

No reply? Well, no news isn't bad news. In the meantime, I've begun a field meteorology observation chart documenting fronts, intensity, lethality, and equipment impact schedules. It's grueling work, however, necessary evil. I'd rather just extract raw datum to a program.

[safe fog]

Still working on whether canvas is uniform with associated algorithms as to player impact, freeze conditions, and related terrain obstacles (specifically, water obstacles).

[barren quarry]

I've no clue what you said

You're using machine learning to see if there is any correlation between map landscape and events?

[safe fog]

Developing a baseline in these winter zones to determine waterway freeze behavior. Is it static? How far from stationary front are these waterways frozen? What is the load capacity for freezing versus frozen waterways? I don't have that data-- yet. I have most of it.

[safe fog]

Would be interesting to discover how devs implemented freezing waterways within winter zone, and how these naturally occurring frozen waterways open up new lanes of travel / exploitable by either faction.

[safe fog]

From what I've gathered, this weather condition is uncharted territory for both factions. The first side to figure out the ramifications will bypass traditional bridges-- this adds a very real threat to the mindset that bridges and beachheads were the only routes.

The faction that figures this out will guard this intelligence.

Certainly, if I could bypass a fortified bridge using frozen waterway, I'd exploit that advantage, attack the town directly.

So, circling back to original inquiry-- if Clapfoot wanted to even the playing field, they'd provide datum to the community. That would be an equalizer for both factions.

[long raft]

what do you guys do about your webpacked javascript includes to not get cached when they change?

not sure the technique on this, do i just put a variable after ? in the <script> include?

[safe mist]

Force change cache : <script type="text/javascript" src="myfile.js?<version>"></script>

[long raft]

hmm

i wonder if webpack can help me with keeping track of versions on it then

[safe mist]

Or change file name : https://webpack.js.org/guides/caching/#output-filenames

[long raft]

oooh...

so then ill need to ... update my index.html every time i run my build, no?

[barren quarry]

Usually build scripts generate a random file name

Solving this problem

Project is compiled into a folder with chunk files

[safe mist]

I am not sure : https://github.com/jantimon/html-webpack-plugin

[long raft]

oh nice

ill check this out

[safe mist]

I found this link in : https://developers.google.com/web/fundamentals/performance/webpack/use-long-term-caching

[long raft]

i cant change server headers in my case tho

[indigo mason]

How would you guys go about caching an endpoint call where the details returned for a certain id can be different based on a large set of boolean values?

So for example a user object has it's basic details, but in addition there are bools for includeDevices, includeUnit and so forth.

How would you go about caching something like that?

[long raft]

you could turn it into a single flag value, and maybe make that a string and ...pass it in the query?

[indigo mason]

hmmm yeah maybe. I was thinking of doing a light weight hash of the id and the bool values.

[long raft]

if you have hash collisions you will be missing pieces of code/data

[indigo mason]

yeah that is also an issue.

I am trying to think of a quick to implement and lightweight way to add it to a endpoint whose signature I cant change. Because something is hitting the endpoint really hard and I cant track down what is doing it.

[long raft]

a bit array

converted to an integer

[indigo mason]

hmmm yeah that is a good idea that can work well. I will give it a go. Thanks

[brittle dock]

Next update flamethrower

[pure sierra]

@tawdry thunder did you click on the map? What more did you want? I also have Google analytics

[tawdry thunder]

oh mb didnt think to click lol

ty

[languid harness]

The devs do not actifly check the channels on the discord at all time lol

[languid harness]

Or they do not provide data at all, that way it is a surprise when breakthroughs are possible. If you could plan in advance, you would see increased player activity in the areas which would still mean there would be no breakthrough possible. I think the randomness of the weather is an important factor for the feautre

[kind glacier]

Would be cool if you could pull the weather from the api

[safe fog]

Last tour of duty revealed quite a bit of hidden data (field ops) in two regions. My initial hypothesis proved true-- while appearing "random" is visuals, actual day/night observations showed an entirely different set of variables.

[languid harness]

Wat

[safe fog]

Freezing rates intensify and are directly correlated with deminshed movement-- a dead giveaway in all surveys. Additionally, freezing rate(s) are severe toward inner sectors, and dependent on player position in regards to vegetation, open areas, and proximity to obstacles blocking wind and snow.

.

However, in the midst severe sectors, simply exiting a vic has a rapid freeze rate and is easily overlooked, and is single common dominator in deaths with players over encumbered.

.

Next tour will evaluate two additional regions to surmount static zones and delineation across the map.

.

[languid harness]

What ya mean with surveys

[safe fog]

Frozen waterways were surveyed, revealing alternative paths, around bridgeheads. If a faction discovers these "lanes", interesting engagements would evolve, changing the combat landscape.

[languid harness]

Like, what you told until now is obvious; if movement is restricted, you see restricted movement

And freed up passages gives different places of combat

[safe fog]

Yes. However, what some players see as restricted, others will exploit. Winter Front is an opportunity to change up combat model.

And up to a few minutes ago, only the devs know these "hidden secrets".

[languid harness]

Secrets that were announced on a dev stream?

They said water ways would be frozen, and the locations of combat are similar to what you would do with LAPCs

The only thing I see is that you want to metricfy the weather to make it more predictable, but I see that as an issue more than a blessing

I really dislike the idea to have all data constantly available. It will just motivate meta gaming and will require keeping knowledge 100% up to date

Sucks the enjoyment oit of it and just makes it a job to play the game

Same for people datamining lore and models, just ruins the fun for the average bloke

But do as you please, who am I to stop you

[barren quarry]

If people wanted to enjoy a game they would pick a different one

Here it's all about working with friends towards a common goal

Not knowing what to do can cost you hours

Say, in csgo or something you can pick a not optimal build and suck for an hour maybe

Here your decisions matter for multiple weeks

It's valuable to know which ones are correct

[languid harness]

'its valuable' is true, but that does not mean it should be readily available

A big part of success for foxhole operations sits in adaptability and improvisation

and ofcourse people do enjoy the game in different ways, but the enjoyment of one should not come at the cost of the other (although some leeway is ofcourse available, but I digress). If there were to come such tool, I'd love to see it come from the devs with intend than as requested by a small part of the community

Besides, you could argue for years on what the best decision is at a given moment; the matter of the game is that you act and that having an influence on the evolution of the war. If I gang up 20 peeps and deploy somewhere at the front, it will have a lasting effect, be it east, west or center

planning does profit, but the game should not be only playable if you gather dozens of people to play at a certain time to achieve anything. Heck, the game is pretty much designed to give equal playing field between newer players and veterans by limiting influence of skill on for example combat. In most First Person Shooters, you have it that new players have to be put in different games than long time players because of the skill difference having direct impact on the gameplay, while in foxhole anyone who fights is valuable and it requires hundreds of hours to even get the slightest noticable advantage over people who played 10 hours.

And I believe the same should be true for the tactical aspect: there should be planning and such, but it should not require having to check 30 parameters to find the ideal spot, but rather by just taking care of various cases and be adaptable

that is my view on the matter, feel free to disagree 🙂

[safe mist]

@pure sierra How do you determine the point to capture on your map?

I can't find the API information 😦

[pure sierra]

The labels are in static end point

[safe mist]

I do not understand, are you talking about this URL? https://war-service-live.foxholeservices.com/api/worldconquest/maps/:mapName/static

[pure sierra]

Yes

That has the place names

And you match them up with the dynamic list to get their state.

[safe mist]

I understood that, but how do I know the point to capture?

[long raft]

the dynamic one has the control flags

the static is just the places and names

[safe mist]

On dynamic, I have all the buildings and not just the capture point

[long raft]

theres an icon type that tells you its a town hall

and you match that up to the static map by finding the closest point (thats how you find the name)

[safe mist]

iconType: 5, 6, 7 = Towhole true ?

[long raft]

yes but i think there are more because theres different tiers of town hall

[pure sierra]

There's also a victory condition flag

[barren quarry]

45 46 47 relics

[long raft]

and theres keeps

i think the civic center is no long relevant?

[barren quarry]

I mean who cares about keeps

[long raft]

i care about keeps

theyre basically a relic base, eh?

[safe mist]

Relic base only

I found flag = 8 and 41 ?

[long raft]

the items i care about their control zones are 35, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 45, 46, 47, 29

[barren quarry]

@long raft

8, 9, 10
Really?

[long raft]

i dont know what they are

[barren quarry]

fobs

fobs are not part of public api

[long raft]

maybe not your api

[barren quarry]

what are you hiding from me

you secretly hacked into clapfoots servers?

[long raft]

i am the clapfoot servers

[barren quarry]

also

29

29 is the fort

that has been looong gone

[long raft]

lol when i wrote this code it was real

also what if they come back

[barren quarry]

relic bases were introduced 5 months before the logiwaze domain was registered

[long raft]

that is plausible

[pure sierra]

Landing ships even got in initially

[serene vortex]

Is there a way to change the DefaultScalability.ini file for higher end graphics? I can only seem to change the WindowsNoEditor\GameUserSettings.ini graphics options (setting the scalability group options to 4 instead of 3, 4 being maximum (cinematic) quality). Will the game accept me placing things like r.exampletexturesetting=4096 at the end of the file to set that property?

[lunar cobalt]

No, the game resets the settings you change when you launch it

[oblique hornet]

Lasagna

[sterile junco]

Si

[late abyss]

dude that s illegal, i wanted to write here he same world 2 days ago

[sudden geode]

Programmers & Artists of foxhole, I am appealing for your help! You may or may not know that some of us are developing a Heart Of Iron IV Mod of Foxhole, however the dev team is small and whilst we have gotten a lot done there is a lot of programming & art to do. If you can help or know someone that would like to help then please message either myself or any of the other mod managers on the discord! (Which I will provide links for on request) Thanks.

[pure sierra]

Clapfoot renames to seige camp, almost as much meh 🍞

[coral sundial]

A minimum of 4 years of C or C++ experience
I have 2 years of college AVR c programming experience. can I apply xD

[barren quarry]

I could apply for backend in some time

[summer bobcat]

that'd be awesome lol

[long raft]

warden open source MIT license v. 1:

Copyright 2021 Derp

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think itll hold up in court?

[leaden mirage]

well

the tort part wont

actually it really depends on the country, in most European countries w/ continental law it shouldn't

[long raft]

ehh i dont see how id be liable if someone else uses my software for tort

im pretty sure that part has held up before, it is the MIT license afterall

but hmmm

[leaden mirage]

wasnt talking about instances where someone uses your software for tort

im talking about when your software causes damage to the user etc

[long raft]

eh i dont think id be liable

[leaden mirage]

that could still be a thing but still that depends on the country and its different everywhere

ment to reply to that

[long raft]

i mean its open source, i guess its kind of technically your responsibility to make sure it doesnt cause damage?

i liked the idea of somebody trying to prove in court theyre a warden loyalist

[leaden mirage]

that part

will actually hold tho

[long raft]

lol really??

[leaden mirage]

im pretty sure atleast in my country

it would be you trying to prove that they arent a warden loyalist tho

[long raft]

that part seems easy

[leaden mirage]

which is a matter of a few screenshots

yeah

whats the software for

[long raft]

just having a laugh at the idea of making logiwaze faction licensed and a commercial license for colonials

[leaden mirage]

lol

you could do it by making the public version refuse to calculate roads within collie regions

[long raft]

lol

i hadnt even considered that

this is really making me smile

[leaden mirage]

it sounds way easier compare to the legal hassle

[long raft]

im not litigious, just petty

[barren quarry]

dont tell me i have to reimplement your website too 🙄

[long raft]

who elses have you done?

[barren quarry]

haydens

[long raft]

hmm

not 100%

[barren quarry]

well yeah it has a different flavor

[long raft]

is mine the only open source one?

sure would make it easy to reimplement if youre good at untying spaghetti

that shit is derpfuscated

god kastow i wish there was a flat version of your records/api

[barren quarry]

this api is really only designed to be used by the website ui

so i dont maintain a documentation at this time

[long raft]

i know i just wish i could ... just get jarvis to make the translator for me

its just ... unpleasant work, easy, but unpleasant

[barren quarry]

i tried my best to explain how it works

if there are still questions i can explain

[long raft]

yea its explained fine, it makes sense why and how you did it

i just hate working in javascript so much

[barren quarry]

oh i see

thats because you havent used typescript

[long raft]

developing in javascript is like chewing foil

i know i know every time i try to get tsc installed and working it doesnt and i kind of move on

[barren quarry]

very interesting description

[long raft]

but its not just javascript, i also hate node deeply

ill go further, i hate web development

[barren quarry]

it takes time to get used to

oh yeah absolutely when i was in uni i thought that web development is the most horrible thing possible in programming

if it werent for foxhole and sethfire i would have never learned javascript

[long raft]

ive got this one thing, the tools panel on the right id like it to be draggable/slideable in a mobile context

like a panel you can pull out to the size you want

no idea how to do this, maybe via css, maybe a bunch of javascript events, i dunno, but when i find out i can guarantee its gonna be awful to implement with leaflet

and then when i get that figured out i promise it wont work in firefox or the apple crap

and thats web dev in a nutshell

[barren quarry]

leaflet is nothing special

[barren quarry]

@long raft i only now realized logiwaze is open source

looking at it right now

images in root folder...

[long raft]

lol

[barren quarry]

fonts in root folder

[long raft]

in my defense, i forked from hayden's project

🚍

[barren quarry]

for (var i = 0; i < Paths.features.length; i++) {
                    var feature = Paths.features[i];```

can be replaced with js Paths.features.forEach(feature => {}

my boss taught me to use for loops as little as possible

[long raft]

i might have unrolled them for debugging purposes

also, forEach is a loop, so whats the diff?

[barren quarry]

so when we're talking about sync logic, there's not much difference

[long raft]

well its javascript...

in a browser

[barren quarry]

the logic is more obvious to people reading it

the kinks begin when its async

[long raft]

you are probably right

im a little bit hyperparanoid like wildallan about dogmatic performance things

[barren quarry]

an async for loop waits for an iteration, then executes another iteration

foreach async is a python version of create task

where it just creates a bunch of async tasks and doesnt wait for them

another thing you can do is map

map is the same as foreach but it returns stuff

so with async you can map an array of objects into an array of promises

and then wait for all of them at the same time using Promise.all

in python this would be asyncio.gather(*)

[long raft]

async javascript makes me 🤮 honestly

cause i know its not really running multithreaded

ive been thinking if i want to speed up some of the calculations done on loading i might need to employ a web worker

im unsure what i can parallelize tho

[barren quarry]

i like how python handles async but you need to implement a lot of error handling

[long raft]

i think i could speed it up 3x but not sure about more

im such a boomer programmer im so skeptical about benefits of async but i know rationally its there

i always intend to go back and async everything but performance is fine so i dont bother

the overlay could be calculated in parallel, that would be a huge speed up

[barren quarry]

implementing sleep in javascript SUCKS BALLS

[long raft]

lol indeed

[barren quarry]

i have to google it every time

after 3 years

[long raft]

im just doing it with setinterval

run code for a few iterations, check time, yield control back sometimes

[barren quarry]

setTimeout actually

[long raft]

oh youre right

drawing vectors and calculating variograms is ... expensive

[barren quarry]

setTimeout inside a fucking promise

[long raft]

is that bad form?

i feel ... like i learned javascript in a country that doesnt speak it

like i dont know the etiquette, but i know the words

[barren quarry]

python has asyncio.sleep()

really intuitive

[long raft]

i mean is that a traditional sleep? sleep is not a good thread mechanism

[barren quarry]

await Promise(r => setTimeout(r, 1000))

this is traditional sleep

[long raft]

right, which is like the only choice in javascript

a polling system

it checks the time constantly and executes your promise when expired

[barren quarry]

yeah

[long raft]

javascript is primitive like that

but sleep is kind of an old model of threading, is that how people do stuff in python?

[barren quarry]

javascript is like this childs bicycle with 4 wheels that people built a boeing on top of because there's no other option

[long raft]

i mean it must be nice to implement at least

i guess im most familiar with threading in c# now and its highly sophisticated, theyve had like 3 generations of thread libraries/methods

[barren quarry]

python has asyncio tasks, threading and multiprocessing

i experienced all of them and frankly i dont see a difference between threading and tasks

[long raft]

go is pretty nice, you can use 1 mechanism for all threading practically, the channels

threading is just low level operating system calls in c#, and tasks is basically promises

although there are more trigger based mechanisms in threading that javascript offers

you know really high performance stuff

[barren quarry]

like what

this was sarcasm wasnt it

[long raft]

so a lot of the traditional mechanisms (atomic operations, semaphores, critical regions, and mutexs) have faster optimized versions

with less overhead than usual, some avoid making OS calls

and i really love a programming language that actually builds threading into the code

its not like C has any concept of a thread

[barren quarry]

isnt C just for electronic engineers?

[long raft]

i dunno ive done a lot of C and im not EE

[barren quarry]

what are the applications

[long raft]

pretty much everything

its pretty universal, its just unpleasant to work in

[barren quarry]

i need examples

[long raft]

well most gnu programs are C

so thats like ... most of linux

[barren quarry]

why not c++ or something

[long raft]

well my opinion is that c++ has too many versions, sometimes people dont want the extra c++ dependencies, or they hate the compilers

for example the c++ compilers on linux has always been subpar

not that gcc is really great ...

i dunno why not c++ really, maybe its because its from the 80s and C was earlier when a lot of the foundation was done

plus C is just easier to learn

[long raft]

LOL

thats because of leaflet, kastow! its leaflet

you cant believe how hard it is to jam things into places they dont fit 😳

also im so used to being able to just right click a variable and rename it across all the code and javascript cant really be traced by the IDE

so i cant easily refactor names lol

i need that typescript

[barren quarry]

javascript without typescript is cbt

you really are punishing yourself man

[long raft]

god if you think that code is bad dont read any of the .sh files lol

my bashfu is so bad i have to look up how to do an if statement each time

[barren quarry]

my boss once told me to write a bash script to configure a mongo from start to finish when i didnt know bash at all

it was a painful experience but a lot was learned

[long raft]

i used to work in csh a lot because i didnt have bash available and it was horrible

you have to use external programs to do math

i think bash is backwards compatible with csh which is why its a mess

i hear zsh is the hot new jam

[barren quarry]

the problem with all these new frameworks and shit is that you eventually have to settle down

like to reach maximum efficiency you need to work with one thing for a while to figure it out

[long raft]

yeah

[barren quarry]

but if you keep jumping to the new hot thing every time the gains they provide will be pointless because you wont know how to use them

and by the time it starts getting profitable you jump again