the big piece of plexi glass, but same brand almost same model
#technical-chat
blissful sequoia
definitely, Blade
inner basin
@blissful sequoia I got it
blissful sequoia
lol
blissful sequoia
dont change it, this is public to thousands of people moorep
dont let anyone else into your account lol
inner basin
Derp can you access it
blissful sequoia
yea i see it
narrow escarp
Thanks yall
blissful sequoia
but i dont have an account there
inner basin
Oh, just tell me what you want to add/remove and I can do it
@narrow escarp Are you going to be watching Blu-Rays?
Let's get the optical drive out of the way
@blissful sequoia this was my budget build 2 years ago: https://pcpartpicker.com/user/BladeRikWr/saved/qhqKHx
oops wait
blissful sequoia
what do you think about this cooler? https://pcpartpicker.com/product/8pgPxr/noctua-cpu-cooler-nhd9l
seagate 1TB >_<
inner basin
@blissful sequoia I'm paying that price right now because I am out of storage space
😦
blissful sequoia
for seagate?!
inner basin
What's so bad??
blissful sequoia
inner basin
I USED THAT WEBSITe
blissful sequoia
the 1TB doesn't get used anymore, but they were terrible failure rates, seagate is improved now but that size was terrible
inner basin
Well
narrow escarp
so just for fun
inner basin
2 years going strong Derp 😛
inner basin
I don't think Moore needs an i9 guys
blissful sequoia
its just not a trustworthy brand, yea maybe hybrids are different
i agree, i dont think he does either, but he might also be trying to make a beast
sly mortar
i9s.. don't really do that...
blissful sequoia
not for gaming
inner basin
I don't think that's good for future proofing though tbh
blissful sequoia
maybe high frequency i7 is better way to spend the money
inner basin
@narrow escarp I feel bad for that AMD CPU pre-Ryzen
I agree Derp, if anything, he should get a high end i7 then
Also I really recommend against buying 32 GB of RAM with the current prices...
blissful sequoia
i9 still in the tick phase, right?
sly mortar
i9 is bad for gaming
inner basin
Did RAM prices ever go down?? Last time I checked was last year
sly mortar
Not high enough clock speed
No, not really @inner basin
If anything they went up I think
blissful sequoia
yes theyve come down a little from the high a year or two ago
still bad tho
but waiting for it to get cheaper, lol
inner basin
@narrow escarp do you need an optical drive??
blissful sequoia
he also doesnt need a full atx case, mid atx will do i believe
sly mortar
Moorep... why are you getting 2 video cards...
inner basin
He doesn't know too much when it comes to this, don't blame him
sly mortar
when you're better off buying a single better one?
inner basin
and I mean that in a nice way
sly mortar
What's the pricepoint you're looking for Moorep?
inner basin
He said $2k
inner basin
"editing videos"... are we leaning toward high end i7 then?
narrow escarp
Yea
I mean how hard is it to replace a chip
one day
I can manage that
Grabs Blowtorch
sly mortar
Depends
Some chips use the same connection (I.E. 1151), but if you get a chip which uses a different one you have to buy a whole new Mobo
blissful sequoia
i would get this case because i am ridiculous: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/G766Mp/cooler-master-mastercase-h500-atx-mid-tower-case-mcm-h500-ignn-s00
i really like that though
inner basin
Y'all good with this CPU?
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/WtyV3C/intel-core-i7-9700k-36ghz-8-core-processor-bx80684i79700k
sly mortar
If you're going to get an expensive case
blissful sequoia
when you finish this thing and theres like no exposed wires or weird drives, it will look slick
sly mortar
blissful sequoia
yea, what mobo for it blade?
narrow escarp
my room gets hot so that would be awesome
everyone covers the vents in this damn place
inner basin
You know how many mobos there are out there?
sly mortar
3.1415926535 million
inner basin
Idk derp we'll have to see
narrow escarp
so when heat comes in my vent is only one exposed so rip
sly mortar
Mhm.
blissful sequoia
lol, theres like 1, its a mature cpu, theres going to be 1 that everybody loves
blissful sequoia
also, a bigger computer case doesnt mean cooler computer
sly mortar
If we were talking about the 8700K I'd agree, but uh, the 9700K is really new.
blissful sequoia
the case fans will push air through, case size wont affect temperature if no wires are in the way
@sly mortar it's an intel ... tock chip tho, or whatever comes after tock?
its like a 3rd iteration at least
its mature compared to an i9, im suggesting
inner basin
i7-8700k has 6 cores compared to the one I gave you, which has 8 cores
blissful sequoia
oh
so probably the same motherboard could work?
if its that new itll be same socket i assume
narrow escarp
@inner basin @blissful sequoia @sly mortar thanks
blissful sequoia
its #technical-chat, we like picking computer parts more than playing foxhole
sly mortar
Same socket as the 8700K
inner basin
LGA1151 socket
blissful sequoia
yea but theres a new variation of the 1151 for i9's i think
i9s dont work in the older 1151s
inner basin
@narrow escarp no problem 
blissful sequoia
some ridiculous stipulation about that...
sly mortar
The same happened with the 8700K
inner basin
We're going for the i7 though
sly mortar
When 8 series released you couldn't use previous mobos with it
inner basin
lol
blissful sequoia
hehe
inner basin
^ from the Intel page on the i7-9700k
blissful sequoia
ok so are we assuming the same motherboard works? it's a good mobo?
narrow escarp
guys my last fan died
narrow escarp
im operating a cooling system powered by the great outdoors
I just placed my tower in my window
blissful sequoia
you're right to do so, just that everything else hinges on it
blissful sequoia
sometimes i just pick the best reviewed
inner basin
Fuck Icanari it's $273 XD
blissful sequoia
4/5 stars on amazon... eek
inner basin
Derp yeah everything is dependent on the mobo basically
sly mortar
Yeah, but it's fucking amazing.
Haven't had a single issue in... 7 years of running this line of Mobos
Maybe slightly longer.
inner basin
I'm just gonna look at ASUS mobos now...
blissful sequoia
i trust your judgement, blade is the skeptic i think
wants to research the crap out of it!
blissful sequoia
man i just made one at work that plays movies
inner basin
what's the chipset arghhh
sly mortar
Intel Z370
Or 470
Can't remember
Depends whether you want the 9700K or the 8700K
8700K is 370, and I think they jumped to 470 for the 9700K
blissful sequoia
i got one of these a couple months ago https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813144209
thats the one that has a freakin screen on it
where it says true gaming, thats just like a lcd display
sly mortar
it's 600 dollars
blissful sequoia
see that comment - not backwards compatible?
inner basin
ok
blissful sequoia
- Not backward compatible with older generation of LGA 1151 CPUs
blissful sequoia
why didnt they change the socket name!!!
sly mortar
Cause they're dumb
blissful sequoia
so blade can we assume the mobo icanari recommended?
narrow escarp
How I imagine your all building this pc
blissful sequoia
easy to swap it out later for equiv chipset/socket/brand
narrow escarp
@blissful sequoia you were asking how I play Division II?
lagged into a wall going up a rope again
blissful sequoia
yes i thought i read you said you were getting tired of foxhole anyway
sly mortar
Oh also
narrow escarp
Yea when its the same people same patterns
sly mortar
The motherboard I linked has an integrated WIFI Adapater
narrow escarp
didnt know we were getting a hoard of new people
sly mortar
How many more days is it?
narrow escarp
only thing that makes this game fun
sly mortar
3-4?
narrow escarp
for?
sly mortar
The ban
blissful sequoia
i think that 32gb is a good price. id do it.
narrow escarp
let me look
blissful sequoia
lol i think we lost @inner basin to tomshardware
This program has stopped responding
sly mortar
bladerikwr.exe has stopped working
inner basin
I resign
narrow escarp
why?
inner basin
I gtg bc brother's birthday is today, but if @sly mortar recommends it I guess I can too
narrow escarp
its all good we got time lol
sly mortar
I'm currently on a case...
inner basin
Note: PCPartPicker lists are not collaborative lol. Everytime you update a part make sure to update the link we are working on
inner basin
New one: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/pDKNbX
narrow escarp
@sly mortar @inner basin 8 days 4 hours
sly mortar
Wow.
inner basin
👋 See y'all in 3 hours maybe
sly mortar
I thought it had been longer.
blissful sequoia
again, if i were building the pc id buy my copy of windows pro from another source cheaper
sly mortar
Pro?
blissful sequoia
$100 for windows home would be a painful pill to swallow
sly mortar
Why pro?
blissful sequoia
game bar features, etc
sly mortar
Game bar?
blissful sequoia
yea for like recording, i dunno windows 10 pro has more stuff, and if you can get it cheap...
blissful sequoia
ok ive got a good reason
you cannot deny this one
to turn off windows updates.
blissful sequoia
in pro, the group policy editor can disable them while you are logged in, which can be forever
blissful sequoia
home doesnt have an easy method
sly mortar
And I've never been forced to update.
blissful sequoia
i think theyre all hacks or something
the obvious remote desktop server is only relevant to some people
i woudl be bothered paying so much for the nerfed version of windows
@inner basin can you pls swap the SSD with this: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/2K22FT/western-digital-black-nvme-1tb-m2-2280-solid-state-drive-wds100t2x0c
sly mortar
Why that one?
blissful sequoia
its m.2, not sata
sly mortar
No, but why that m.2
blissful sequoia
they only have 3, they differ by size, that one is 1TB
very limited nvme selection on that site
sly mortar
Holy shit that one is slow
blissful sequoia
do you see a better one?
blissful sequoia
even if its slow its faster than the sata ssd i bet
sly mortar
Yes, but there are faster ones.
blissful sequoia
and it will look way nicer
sly mortar
Samsungs'
blissful sequoia
sly mortar
Yeah
blissful sequoia
its not listed as nvme, so ...
blissful sequoia
where do you see hte M
i always forget b and m, i wish theyd just write sata/nvme
sly mortar
I'm having trouble finding a case
The case I used is great, but they don't seem to sell it anymore.
blissful sequoia
blissful sequoia
picture this, with no wires inside
he wants red lights, and those can be configured to red or w/e, i bet the fans are loud and cheap tho
maybe the fans are not tied into the lights
sly mortar
Those are LED fans
blissful sequoia
nice powder coating, smooth edges inside...
blissful sequoia
do rgb fans have another connector to set the light color?
bigger fans are quieter!
sly mortar
Uh.. they're 4 pin I think.
blissful sequoia
the 4th pin should just be for the fan speed
blissful sequoia
theres another 4 pin connector?
blissful sequoia
yes!!!
sly mortar
why can't they make something that isn't a variation of beige
blissful sequoia
they make a grey one
sly mortar
Let me find that one...
blissful sequoia
its their cheaper ones, they dont come with all the bells and whistles
sly mortar
Mhm.
blissful sequoia
no fan adjustment speed, you buy them knowing what speed you want, for example
no extension cable either, no rubber stand-offs
sly mortar
That's dumb.
blissful sequoia
but its also just simple grey, looks better
nope, no redux fans in 200mm size, only 140mm and 120mm
blissful sequoia
anyway id opt for a mid-atx case, not the full atx
sly mortar
Could get a be quiet! one
blissful sequoia
more options, cheaper prices, easier to move around and put stuff
and id get the windows pro from a different place as i mentioned, those are my 2 inputs
inner basin
@blissful sequoia @sly mortar did we settle?
narrow escarp
Sorry yall I had to get a good 2hrs sleep before work
Its amazing what 2 hrs sleep and 3 large coffees can do to rejuvenate the soul
sly mortar
@narrow escarp Here's my current list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/R9GVvn
Differences TL:DR
More expandable mobo for upgrades
16gb Less ram
Way faster storage drive (3-4x)
Better GPU
No wifi adapter because it's part of the Motherboard
Thanks for everything, should I get an adapter anyway to boost signal?
manic quiver
narrow escarp
@sly mortar I mean do they make 60 ft ethernet cords?
sly mortar
It's worth it as well.
narrow escarp
not at all
sly mortar
They make some cord holders that you can push an ethernet cord into
Let me find a link
They're great
waxen hound
i have a problem where every time i try to join a war it says "lost connection to sever. please try again" and i have been trying i have reinstalled the game and it still happens
inner basin
@waxen hound Please follow the steps listed in this message: https://discordapp.com/channels/203512636556574720/551236268004999168/551239621598773249
Also @sly mortar How the hell did you manage to keep the price the same while getting a way cheaper CPU 
Is the 1TB SSD stick really necessary though...
Moore said he's video editing and stuff, I feel like he would need more storage space tbh
Because 1 TB is not enough for my saved Foxhole videos 😦
sly mortar
I mean, or just add a 1TB to it
inner basin
Speed matters? I thought all SSD's were the same 
inner basin
yes but SSDs are way more expensive per GB
sly mortar
That thing is about.. 5-6x faster than the one he sent.
Oh @narrow escarp, you may need to buy an external optical drive as well (CD reader), so that you can install drivers.
slim girder
🍿
sly mortar
No, he needs to install windows.
sly mortar
inner basin
screw you XD
inner basin
I'm pretty sure there is a special tool just for installing Windows 10 from a USB
They had one for Windows 7 😛
lunar sparrow
I have a problem where I can hear all audio but no ingame voices, how do I fix that?
slim girder
i used a disc to install a really old windows then just upgraded for free to 10
sly mortar
@lunar sparrow Uh.. is an error message coming up in the chatbar?
lunar sparrow
no
sly mortar
Alright
narrow escarp
I mean, using Windows 10 and not outdated software kind of helps me from accusations
sly mortar
lunar sparrow
like I see people talking and I just cant hear em
inner basin
@lunar sparrow Make sure your voice OUTPUT device is configured correctly in Settings > Voice
So @narrow escarp your decision whether to go full 1 TB SSD or like 500 GB SSD and 2 TB HDD
depends on how much video you are going to record and store
narrow escarp
Im probably storing and editing a shit ton
inner basin
Eh fuck it.
1 TB SSD for "futureproofing", amirite
narrow escarp
I really am going to go through with the youtube and recording wars etc post war
sly mortar
How much stuff is on your disc right now?
sly mortar
Mhm.
inner basin
wait I have his stats
lunar sparrow
I believe the problem is that it is trying to play the voices through my monitor, but I have no speakers yet cuz I just got the pc and it doesn't show option for the headset so I think im screwed
narrow escarp
I feel like more Colonial content on youtube is needed
even if its not my own id like to link up with others
sly mortar
System stuff is normally around... 300-400gb, so that would leave 700 for video on there... hmm...
inner basin
@sly mortar
sly mortar
OH
inner basin
Wtf kind of system stuff are you talking about???
inner basin
Windows is 30 GB chill
sly mortar
Everything except videos
narrow escarp
I literally will just be on Foxhole and Division II
probably not on Division II even
sly mortar
Ok.
narrow escarp
I like editing and videos just never had the tech
sly mortar
Hmm...
narrow escarp
I use to do it all the time in college for the radio / news
sly mortar
My suggestion for $40 more, (total of 2038), is a 500GB NVME, and a 1TB Sata for video storage.
sly mortar
They're much, much faster than a regular SSD
inner basin
Due to physical limitations of the SATA interface, I see
blissful sequoia
and they look awesome
magnetic storage is better for videos, 6TB hgst is like $165
blissful sequoia
@sly mortar i like that computer you built. does it need 3 fans? am i the only one who wont pay retail for a windows license? lol
oh i see why, nevermind youre right
inner basin
@blissful sequoia I got my Windows license from a now defunct company for $30
blissful sequoia
still works tho, right?
inner basin
Yep
Well, it was originally a Windows 7 Professional key, but I got the free upgrade to Windows 10
inner basin
Eh, you see
blissful sequoia
i was pleased to see the noctua on there
sly mortar
I hate how they look
blissful sequoia
moorep might not be lol
sly mortar
But I acknowledge that they're amazing
inner basin
I leave my pre-installed fans on my case because they are hard-wired to the case's fan controller
blissful sequoia
well isnt that what youre signifying by it? something ugly that everyone knows is great?
blissful sequoia
because they can? why does american flag look so bad.
blissful sequoia
i appreciate that its a fan and doesnt need gilding
but they really went out of their way to choose ugly colors
ok ok, ive got the analogy. you know like those gold teeth grills? they dont look good, but we know they make you important
we know your dentist is the business.
im not a huge fan of those cooler master evo cooler included fan either, the 120mm ones
was their any money left in the budget for red LEDs? 
inner basin
ooo
sly mortar
@narrow escarp List with all the changes we discussed: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/NcVbP3
An LED strip is like $10
blissful sequoia
I find the modular cables to be too short when you weave them throuhg the back of nice cases, extensions for the video card power (https://www.amazon.com/Silverstone-Sleeved-Extension-Connector-PP07-PCIB/dp/B00B46XJ7K/ref=sr_1_5?keywords=8+pin+pcie&qid=1552801284&s=gateway&sr=8-5) are really nice and give a good look
if we're talking accessories like thermal paste. but I couldn't find it listed on their site
it's kind of a tough angle to plug in a cable on a video card and have it look nice without those sleeved extensions
or this is more specific to the use: https://www.amazon.com/EVGA-PowerLink-Support-Founders-600-PL-2816-LR/dp/B01MQ1YEYH
way cheaper and nicer looking, yea that thing
sly mortar
Thermal paste really isn't an accessary...
blissful sequoia
i agree, but its literally accessory
its really nice to just have that stuff around
narrow escarp
Thanks y'all
narrow escarp
My technical achievement today was getting my name off a YouTube channel I made
Lol
sly mortar
strange niche
a
amber kite
ive spend looking a solid 3 mins now looking at the hands clap to the beat of the song im listening too
narrow escarp
@sly mortar is that ok?
inner basin
That's alright
@narrow escarp If you are NOT getting a HDD (mechanical hard drive) that will not be an issue. It still won't be an issue if you DO get a HDD.
BUT it the motherboard ONLY has one SATA 6 Gb/s port, then your HDD will be a little slow 😛
blissful sequoia
Not enough pci channels on cheap boards...
narrow escarp
@inner basin I have no idea what that means ill look it all up. I still imagine motherboards as little alien lunchables I'd have to stab for power.
blissful sequoia
i also couldnt help notice the 2070 costs as much as the 1070
maybe even cheaper, actually
sly mortar
@narrow escarp It's fine. The board has... 4 PCIe slots, and... 6-8 SATA 6Gb/s slots.
narrow escarp
@blissful sequoia @inner basin going to buy today do we have a list that yall are good with? Thanks @sly mortar
sly mortar
Mhm
Final list currently: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/NcVbP3 @inner basin @blissful sequoia
blissful sequoia
@sly mortar how about 2070 instead of 1070?
sly mortar
@gritty token Do it
blissful sequoia
im seeing its actually cheaper
sly mortar
budget is $2000
blissful sequoia
used lol
gritty token
ohhh
narrow escarp
bump up to 2.6k
gritty token
i was told 2.6k lol
sly mortar
Oh
narrow escarp
money came in
sly mortar
Alright
gritty token
1080TI LETSSS GOOO
sly mortar
That's easy then
gritty token
im not too fond of the 2070 / 2080
sly mortar
^
blissful sequoia
how come?
gritty token
performance per cost
blissful sequoia
lol
gritty token
1080ti does wonders
blissful sequoia
the whole machine ... performance per cost ... is out of this world
blissful sequoia
by that logic he should have a 980
sly mortar
Do you know how fucking expensive 2080 Tis are?
gritty token
i mean i have lga 1150 and im happy with my computer
sly mortar
Minimum 1200
gritty token
Shit works well
blissful sequoia
but the 2070 appears cheaper than the 1070
sly mortar
minimum
gritty token
its like 3-4 years old
blissful sequoia
but i just posted a link
sly mortar
Yeah... and it's ~89 more expensive than the 1070
amber kite
yall really gonna let moore buy 3 case fans?
sly mortar
Yeah?
amber kite
just why
sly mortar
Because he isn't getting watercooling?
sly mortar
And even with water cooling I'd still suggest 3 fans...
sly mortar
VIDEO EDITING
blissful sequoia
here's the 2070 on the same site: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/mYYLrH/evga-geforce-rtx-2070-8gb-black-video-card-08g-p4-1071-kr
blissful sequoia
its 489 and the 1070 is 499 isnt it?
sly mortar
One sec
They're different tiers of card
EVGA 08G-P4-5173-KR SC GAMING ACX 3.0 Black Edition GeForce GTX 1070 8 GB 1.594 GHz (47) $499.99
blissful sequoia
willing to bet the 2070 has better performance
sly mortar
EVGA 08G-P4-2277-KR FTW3 ULTRA GAMING GeForce RTX 2070 8 GB 1.41 GHz (0) $627.68
amber kite
yall might wanna explain to moore how to apply the artic silver
sly mortar
Those are the same tier
sly mortar
He hasn't even fucking ordered yet
amber kite
and circuits everything dead
blissful sequoia
im thinkin that evo comes covered in thermal paste already that has to be removed, just a guess
amber kite
yeah
blissful sequoia
its pretty common, even noctua does it
actually maybe they dont, i cant remember
sly mortar
It doesn't
blissful sequoia
isopropyl works? i usually use the citrus based cleaners
amber kite
or in a seperate tube
blissful sequoia
yes its pre-applied with a plastic cover usually
sly mortar
I have the EVO, I have 2 EVOs in 2 different machines, and neither came applied
That's not normal Derp.
sly mortar
Then you're getting bad heatsinks
blissful sequoia
i would never
amber kite
i saw them come with a tube of paste you can apply
but never pree applied
it just sounds weird
"oh you ordered a heatsink lets pre apply STICKY HARD TO CLEAN stuff at the bottom of it"
blissful sequoia
well its less messy than you putting it on yourself
sly mortar
blissful sequoia
intel even puts it in little lines on their stock cooler
not just one sheet of it
sly mortar
Well yeah... that's a stock cooler..
amber kite
how tf is it messy yourself?
you put a dot in the centre
and press it down with some plastic shit
so it spreads
blissful sequoia
really? you cant see how buttering your own toast is messier than getting pre-buttered toast?
blissful sequoia
ive probably still got themal paste wiped on stuff ill never get it off
sly mortar
Updated Parts List with 1080 ti and 2TB drive: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/mNGtD2
blissful sequoia
its a machine, not a person that applies it
amber kite
i trust machines even less lmao
blissful sequoia
wtf is the point of a 2tb drive
sly mortar
VIDEO STORAGE
blissful sequoia
why 2tb, why so small?
sly mortar
because he already has a 1TB SSD on the side for video storage
amber kite
host a furry website lmao
blissful sequoia
2tb seems so small like why even buy it
sly mortar
860 EVO: Videos which are being edited
2TB: Storage
amber kite
cause youre never gonna use more than 2tb
blissful sequoia
how much is a 2tb drive?
amber kite
i have trouble using 1 tb
amber kite
if youre not doing intense stuff
sly mortar
2TB is $140
amber kite
you wont use 1tb
blissful sequoia
you guys are amateur 😉
amber kite
if you reguralry maintain it
blissful sequoia
6tb is like 160!
amber kite
and clear it of useless shti you dont use
sly mortar
For a fucking Archive drive yeah
Not for a drive which you can move videos on and off of
blissful sequoia
huh an archive drive?
i see putting a 2tb drive on a modern computer like putting on a floppy drive or cd rom lol
sly mortar
What the hell do you use your PC for?
amber kite
"server hostign"
blissful sequoia
well ill tell you what i never use it for - deleting files
blissful sequoia
i dunno, 2tb seems very small to me
amber kite
dude you know how long it takes to fill up 1 tb?
blissful sequoia
i can fill that up at work in days
amber kite
hint i got 130 somethig games on my pc
still got 100 gb left
granted its mostly 6-10 gb games but still
sly mortar
Seagate is fine
blissful sequoia
seagate not fine
sly mortar
Yes they are
blissful sequoia
a hdd is not a hdd, you guys are nuts
amber kite
no matter whcih company
sly mortar
They're perfectly fine unless you're using them for servers
blissful sequoia
theyre garbage
sly mortar
No, they aren't.
amber kite
im using only toshiba tbh
blissful sequoia
absolute garbage.
blissful sequoia
thats survivor bias
your drive is fine, so all drives are fine
they are definitely a bad brand, they make a terrible 2tb
sly mortar
amber kite
(said he never would get a 2tb )
(shits on a 2 tb drive=
you got a vendetta agaisnt the 2 terra club huh
blissful sequoia
no its just ... its as outdated as an armored car in late war
and seagate is the worst version of it
amber kite
you want really shity hdds?
blissful sequoia
the sweet price point for drives is STILL 4tb as it has been for at least 4 years
blissful sequoia
hgst is by far the best, what are you talking about
amber kite
godamn hitachi
sly mortar
And that's still ATLEAST 200-300 dollars
blissful sequoia
how can you think hgst is the worst and seagate is fine
oh you guys just dont deal with storage much hehe
blissful sequoia
youre still in that 5 year seagate warranty mindset i think
sly mortar
blissful sequoia
toshiba is great!
amber kite
all are fine for the average consumer tho
blissful sequoia
i mean seagate used to have the longest warranty on retail drives, 2 years longer than others, and led people to believe that meant their product was higher quality
it was empirically not
amber kite
the only hdd that died on me was a WD
blissful sequoia
its statistics, dont operate on your own experiences
blissful sequoia
ive lost many a deathstar in my day, before they became the best drives ever
ive got a bunch of those ibm 40gb death stars still just for laughs
the only drive worse than seagate...
blissful sequoia
my first hdd was 30mb
i even bought some of the early sandisk NOR flash memory, 10mb of it cost me $70
amber kite
Man if you look back
Since we got schools running
Technology made such a leap
100 years ago we were still fighting trexes with sticks
Now we are almost at the stage of mars colonizing
blissful sequoia
colonizing mars less plausible than fighting t-rexes with sticks lol
im still reeling the way you guys defend seagate, im so saddened
blissful sequoia
its like if 1/3 people who bought seagate got a brick in their box instead, and you guys are like "i didnt get a brick, my drive works great"
sly mortar
Yeah... 1/3 people don't...
blissful sequoia
lets go back to 2015, the era of those drives: https://www.backblaze.com/blog/hard-drive-reliability-stats-for-q2-2015/
9% failure rate
maybe not 1/3, but what number would it take to stop buying that brand for you?
blissful sequoia
meanwhile hgst rolling around 1-1.5% in that same era
and the price is about the same
amber kite
nothing important for me to keeep
blissful sequoia
warranty is the same
amber kite
then id buy the hitachi
blissful sequoia
sure fine, but if youre still buying seagate 2tb drives, i mean ... why
amber kite
toshiba 0 failure rate tho
blissful sequoia
they probably didnt buy many toshibas? dunno
backblaze tends to buy a lot of WD
they look at drives as commodity, seagate too, they dont particularly stumble when there is a failure, its just a cost thing for them
but i think when you have a single drive in your computer, no mirror, failure rate should be important
blissful sequoia
yea their sample size for toshiba and samsung may not be reliable
blissful sequoia
wd is ok... better than seagate
sly mortar
...
blissful sequoia
i think of WD as a middle of the road brand
sly mortar
Here's the thing though... out of 17,895 drives, 3% stopped function. For WD, out of 45 drives, 1.5% stopped working.
That's a massive difference
And not a beneficial difference for WD
blissful sequoia
You can check other benchmarks, they buy more wd over time I think. Consistently Seagate has shameful failure rates, i read those benchmarks every quarter
sly mortar
Yeah.. but unless those benchmarks use the same amount of drives from each manufacturer, it's effectively worthless.
Because duh there will be more failure rates in 18000 drives than 45
blissful sequoia
Hgst is also clearly the standout quality up until last year
Yes 45 is too low of a sample, but their sample for Seagate is high
sly mortar
Yeah, so stop comparing it to a sample of 45 drives
If you want to compare them, go find different data with around the same amount of drives
blissful sequoia
1000 drives is a good enough sample
sly mortar
Not if the other sample is 18K
blissful sequoia
And frankly I don't care about WD
I'm not comparing to wd. I'm comparing to hgst
sly mortar
That's still a different of 6K drives...
blissful sequoia
like i said, 1k is a good enough sample size to have a low margin of error
they dont have to be comparable sizes
i think an interesting phenomenon with hard drives, is there is a turning point in their life if they can make it past their failure rate per year begins to drop
kind of like old people, if you make it to like 110 your death odds start going down each year
some hard drives and people are like super durable
it would be super cool to build a server out of these survivor drives, because theyll probably live like 20 years more
narrow escarp
Alright boys
lets get buying if were ready?
I am off in 2 weeks so it would give the shit time to ship
then assemble
@blissful sequoia @sly mortar @inner basin @gritty token
blissful sequoia
are we the only people you are asking about spending $2k?
idle delta
why do you guys have 2 ssd's
inner basin
@sly mortar holy shit, reading the old convo, pull your head out of your ass mate. why do you sound so entitled to think you're right about everything
idle delta
you guys have a 1tb ssd and a 500mb ssd listed in addition to the 2tb hdd
inner basin
Where's the part list?
idle delta
you really only need 1 ssd. ssd's are meant to be fast, not store a lot
idle delta
get the 1tb ssd and use it to put your OS and a select few games that you want to boot up extremely fast on.
then just get 2 hdd's instead for storage space
for everything else
1tb ssd should fit plenty of games and other programs anyway
blissful sequoia
@narrow escarp when you buy the parts do you get it from that site or go to each individual retailer?
inner basin
1tb HDD is my current situation right now... need more storage lol
idle delta
yeah same here
narrow escarp
each retailer I think
inner basin
@blissful sequoia Each retailer, PCPartPicker is not a seller
blissful sequoia
because i suggested adding something that wasnt listed on that part site
narrow escarp
it might be going amazon is the better move?
idle delta
amazon wont necessarily have all of that
inner basin
Amazon > Newegg
blissful sequoia
inner basin
But Newegg generally has a bigger inventory
idle delta
i know it probably has most of it
blissful sequoia
its only a $10 addition but not on the part list
idle delta
i know for a fact it has the ram listed because i was literally looking at that ram on amazon last night
inner basin
@blissful sequoia You can custom add a part
blissful sequoia
i wasn't editing the list
and icanari already picked the case i liked so i thought that was 1 win already
idle delta
first thing that list needs is to get rid of the extra ssd unless you want 1.5tb of ssd space honestly. 1tb is more than enough imo
gritty token
lol
idle delta
speaking from experience?
gritty token
SSD is nice
idle delta
lol
sly mortar
Yes
idle delta
yikes
sly mortar
Too much experience
blissful sequoia
wait whats the problem with editing videos on hdd? its sequential
what goes wrong with it?
blissful sequoia
hmm i always thought the transfer speeds were pretty good...
sly mortar
Rendering was ~30-40% on my HDD than my SSD
blissful sequoia
any video work i do is encoding, wouldnt care about hdd i guess
because the video is raw its a lot of transfer?
sly mortar
I don't know exactly why, I just know the outcome
vernal timber
soooooo are they gonna put up more servers so there isnt a queue in every land?
they're making lots of money off this sale so.....
blissful sequoia
i hope not, because 3 days later theres a bunch of empty servers we have to deal with
vernal timber
should be scalable
blissful sequoia
we had like 3k active last winter sale i thought
sly mortar
I'll see about something
vernal timber
i mean not very scalable if we're sitting here for 15 mins waiting to play
blissful sequoia
you can go to a different region cant you?
blissful sequoia
all regions are queued?? wow.
vernal timber
yeah
blissful sequoia
should hae played warden
vernal timber
:/
blissful sequoia
no waiting
blissful sequoia
well you are in queue because the population is unbalanced
weve had more people than this before active in the war
sly mortar
All of the regions are not queued
Fishman's, Oarbreaker, Farranac, Deadlands, Reaching Trail, Great March, and Tempest Island have no queues for the colonials.
However, there may be a global queue in effect
blissful sequoia
the word is 2:1 pop
vernal timber
maybe put up something when joining? "Hey 90% of people already chose colonial, you should probably be warden"
sly mortar
That's the "queue times may be longer.." sign.
inner basin
@vernal timber They already have that
It's something like "Colonials are at capacity. Expect queues."
blissful sequoia
Any idea why the imbalance? Like explaining the stock market...
Last time it was so different it was a streamer
idle delta
because we are superior
blissful sequoia
just the look maybe
narrow escarp
Its the fist and knife
honestly looks cooler
Has that "might" appearance
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/NcVbP3 @sly mortar @inner basin @blissful sequoia so this is what im buying?
sly mortar
Noh
Differences:
Better GPU (better video stuff, and better games)
More storage (2TB harddrive extra)
blissful sequoia
@sly mortar whats up with the 2nd SSD?
blissful sequoia
lol which people
sly mortar
blade
blissful sequoia
hmmm his thinking is often very similar to mine
but i feel like 1TB is conservative
sly mortar
Do you know
blissful sequoia
big difference in price?
sly mortar
How expensive 2TB SSDs are
sly mortar
blissful sequoia
yea i guess im finding it surprising how little space you guys operate with
ive got a 512gb ssd now and i feel like it was fine when i bought it 2 years ago
is it more expensive to have 2 ssd like that, tho?
@narrow escarp what do you think about those fans?
are those going to be a painful eyesore to you?
oooh i see you got 500gb more storage, bah, i guess im the only one who hates segmented storage
i find it odd the number of people who still have an OS and data partition separate into the windows 10 days
sly mortar
I mean, you could just make the m.2 a 1TB as well, not really necessary though.
It's $100 more for that
$200 more if you just get a 2TB m.2
blissful sequoia
if it were my computer id do 1x1TB nvme and 2x4TB magnetic
id spend the money on storage and probably cut elsewhere, like windows license, etc
id probably spend a good chunk on a nice screen too
$450 will get you a pretty great display
@sly mortar have you ever done an SLI rig?
sly mortar
Not worth it
Also, 2x4TB magnetic is... something around $800
You lose so much of the second card's power from SLI, and a lot of programs don't support it
blissful sequoia
i would expect it to be around $300
yea i dont know anyone whos done SLI, but i think i have questions about it
and there was a 4x SLI thats like defunct that nobody uses and its hard to find connectors
rapid obsidian
yeah skip sli
blissful sequoia
did you have a bad experience, hayden?
rapid obsidian
not bad but not great
blissful sequoia
disappointing performance?
err - im confused, its not just supported at the directx/opengl/vulcan level?
each game [engine] has to support it?
sly mortar
No, SLI doesn't use about 2/3 of the second GPU
And yes, each engine has to support it on top of that
blissful sequoia
god that really does sound awful
sly mortar
On top of that, most games have to specifically code for it as well
rapid obsidian
yeah some games get good boost other none
if you can get a 2nd hand card cheap down the track its might be ok, thats what i did
but dont buy new, 1 better is always better, less power, less heat, more space, better support
blissful sequoia
wow i just assumed it was lower level than that
sly mortar
Nope
rapid obsidian
i mean it has its place if you got lots of money and 1 of the best card isnt good enough
rapid obsidian
but i mean if you already hav ethe best
rapid obsidian
quadro not a gaming card though ?
sly mortar
Titan is a different card
blissful sequoia
oh
sly mortar
Better than even the 1080 TI
jagged cedar
Having trouble talking to people in the game in the past 3 days
I can see them talking but can't hear
I also do not have a mic at the current moment
rapid obsidian
its an old bug that sometimes happens
i think in the settings for voice there is option to reconnect, see if that helps when it is happening
blissful sequoia
make sure its set to the right sound output device
jagged cedar
Reconnect doesnt seem to work, and I'm on the only active speaker setting
blissful sequoia
if you dont see a connection error, then soundmeeter software has been our answer to that problem
something about the voice software doesnt work with some mics, and redirecting it through voicemeeter (or vb-cable I guess) gets around the problem
blissful sequoia
there are various voice chat problems
lots of resources about them in #technical-read-first⚠ also
jagged cedar
So voicemeeter didnt work either. Could I be muted?
rapid obsidian
either way
yes if it has worked b4 for you it is likely just this bug, it will also likely pass
inner basin
@narrow escarp If you need help assembling a computer, don't hesitate to ask