general-discussion

[mental haven]

damn feel like I don't have any audio in kyiv left

[analog depot]

Have been up since the war started and only now have they disappeared

[limber vault]

Apparently we destroyed two columns near Makarov

[jovial loom]

I originally thought they landed them to ease tensions after Putin’s increase in nuclear response

[last nebula]

Yeah they'd have no reason to stop watching the airspace

Plus you can see most of Ukraine from over the border

[analog depot]

Doubtful honestly, probably turned them off due to his threats but bet they're still up

[last nebula]

The range on the e3 that was circling is like 500 miles?

[azure iris]

Is that neat Kyiv or more closer to the coast? I don't have the geography down perfectly

[topaz hedge]

It’s on the river Dneiper north close to Belarus

[limber vault]

West from Kiev

[topaz hedge]

Oh shit I read that wrong mb disregard

[mental haven]

my geography knowledge of ukraine has increased substantially in the past couple of days

for some reason

[topaz hedge]

My geography knowledge of Eastern Europe in general has increased

[limber vault]

US people be like:

[mental haven]

I've always been pretty interested in eastern europe's history and culture so I already had an idea of city locations and such

[limber vault]

[jovial loom]

Yeah either one or the other

[mental haven]

as well as geography there

[last nebula]

Now I'm on my phone so I'm not sure how convincing this would be when larger but what do you think of this image? https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/543524571056177158/777704278893920276/unknown.png

[topaz hedge]

Funnily enough I’m Australian so it’s not as bad

[mental haven]

noone in my family wants to geography or history very sad

[hoary quiver]

I dunno city’s but I can tell what nations are where

[azure iris]

Thanks awesome

[last nebula]

Or this one https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/543524571056177158/769624714637082644/unknown.png

[topaz hedge]

Although if it were an American I’d imagine their whole knowledge of the entirety of Europe would be improved

[hoary quiver]

How’s it feel to constantly live upside down?

[topaz hedge]

You get used to all the blood flowing down to your brains

[fiery sierra]

Dont trust anything this twitter says, its all been garbage

[mental haven]

I wish people in my country cared about geography and stuff more lol

[jovial loom]

@analog depot I think they are still up, I can see a RAF tanker moving over the North Sea

I guess it’s transponder is on for now

[azure iris]

Correct

[mental haven]

just block it at this point

[indigo oracle]

I mean with how Russian troops have been handled I wouldn't be shocked if it was real KEKW

[hoary quiver]

Russia, China, and the US ain’t what they used to be back in 1945

[fiery sierra]

Did you guys finally get more first aid kits? I saw something about a delivery

[azure iris]

https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1498153314948628487?t=0oALMxv46cE3iR4Rtx1NaQ&s=19
You love to see stuff like this

OSINTtechnical (@Osinttechnical)

NATO E-3 headed towards eastern Poland to provide the Ukrainians with AWACS coverage. https://t.co/rsB7xdcmyF

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[limber vault]

No...but we are getting man pads :)

[hoary quiver]

Where’ve you been this whole war?

[limber vault]

At reserve QRF base near Kiev

[fiery sierra]

he is reserve, so probably kept him in kyiv

[hoary quiver]

Oof

[mental haven]

Cryner you need a vacation my man

after all this

[topaz hedge]

You know, hilariously enough I think it’s over the top on the appearance

[limber vault]

Why lol?

[mental haven]

cuz you deserve it

[topaz hedge]

You know Cryner can’t leave Ukraine

[mental haven]

yee thats why I said after all this

[topaz hedge]

Ah

[indigo oracle]

AWACS is op af

[mental haven]

devs need to nerf

[indigo oracle]

Ukraine keeps getting good tech pls nerf

Russia needs a buff

[hoary quiver]

Nah

[indigo oracle]

Dev Bias

[hoary quiver]

Russia needs more nerfs

[mental haven]

dont think thats possible at this point

[indigo oracle]

Ukraine gets sledgehammers to start off ggez

[jovial loom]

Is it me or NYT is down?

[hoary quiver]

China could our right abandon the( though I don’t think that will happen)

[fiery sierra]

nah, remember the devs use equipment balance to deal with faction skill issue

[jovial loom]

NYT’s live feed on Ukraine is down

W h y

[mental haven]

I was in a NYT building before

for a school trip

[jovial loom]

It was just reporting a minute ago

Now the entire thing is down

[jade summit]

wdym russia starts off with attack helicopters and battle tanks while ukraine gets cocktail molotov

[mental haven]

there should be a few more live sources if you need links nick

[jovial loom]

I’m using CNN I guess

It’s down on the app too

And it’s back up

[mental haven]

https://twitter.com/sentdefender this fella has had some reliable news so far

OSINTdefender (@sentdefender)

Open Source Intelligence Monitor currently focused on Eastern Europe and the ongoing Crisis in Ukraine, Geospatial Analyst. RT ≠ Endorsement/Agreement

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[jovial loom]

[analog depot]

Ukraine is like wardens with no early AT but the stuff they do have, manage to make use of it very well. Those Javs and Stingers is mostly all they got and they using them like crazy

[fickle cliff]

its like Late war AT dialed up to 11

[cunning owl]

https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/VEBFOnPBesoNeDEiVrs1gKK6EWq0yUjapNXVHglc0xM/https/media.discordapp.net/attachments/946521065922908200/947715879246921768/D2E0666D-03CE-4D33-AA8E-65F4B9635621.png?width=403&height=675

[whole gale]

Nah, Ukraine has a full proper modern military

[unkempt dagger]

Heyo everyone

[fiery sierra]

Surprise surprise, the president of Brazil is pro-russia (basically the Trump of brazil, same style, etc)

[mental haven]

wow

[fiery sierra]

Speaking at a news conference while on vacation, Bolsonaro said Ukrainians had "trusted a comedian with the fate of a nation"

Still a better leader than Bolsonaro, which has botched everything he has touched so far

[mental haven]

do you live in brazil?

I think of all regions of the world, south america is the one I have the least knowledge of RN

[fiery sierra]

More and more military aid being sent to ukraine

Seems they had to route aid thru NATO partners, but now they can send it direct

[fiery sierra]

No, but I grew up in Colombia

For the most part, right now most countries in south america are led by leftist parties

with a few exceptions like Colombia

...for now

[whole gale]

South America is really complex, from what I heard. Lots of CIA meddling in everything to keep it favourable for US business interests.

[fiery sierra]

That was in like the 70s and 80s

its how south america ended up with a bunch of dictatorships

[mental haven]

I do really want to learn more about the place, as most of my expertise is on the other side of the planet

[analog depot]

I'd like to imagine Australias lethal weapon being Emus

Couldn't beat them twice, what is Russia gonna do, try bomb them? Good luck.

[whole gale]

https://tenor.com/view/putin-lukashenko-gif-22677079

[blazing canopy]

These new planes being given to Ukraine is gonna be huge

New to them, at least. Theres reports of them in the air already, tonight

[subtle bramble]

https://twitter.com/Tyler_McV/status/1497869501702021124?t=-c7PDltiG3iasnfo33kn5w

Tyler "Passionate Gamer" McVicker (@Tyler_McV)

If Gabe Newell showed up to my house I would run and hide, I would assume I was in trouble.

However, he’s going around the Seattle area, HAND DELIVERING the Steam Deck.

I don’t believe in Valves track record on sticking with things, but wow, I really like that. https://t.co/bTksTX37qE

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idk if real

that does look like gabe tho

[fiery sierra]

the steam deck is a wonderful idea

they really made it super consumer friendly

[mental haven]

I like gabe newell's beard

[blazing canopy]

My man just wants to do tech doordash

[fiery sierra]

So seems the reason why they were able to hit the sanctions on russia so quickly is because the US had been pushing them for the last couple months to prepare for this

Since like november

[whole gale]

They are always trying to push for them

[fiery sierra]

no, its since they built up forces on ukraine border and threatened the invasion

[hoary quiver]

US intel probably knew the Invasion was going to happen

[fiery sierra]

well, we all knew since december at least

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/russia-ukraine-invasion/2021/12/03/98a3760e-546b-11ec-8769-2f4ecdf7a2ad_story.html

[whole gale]

Russian soldiers dont seem to be aware it was happing lmao

[toxic spade]

Brazil is in a spot very similar to china
Economic ties to russia but allegiance to the west due to all that aforementioned CIA trolling

[hoary quiver]

https://twitter.com/realnp5/status/1497693012155109380?s=12

[fiery sierra]

That article is from december 3rd, already by then russia had activated the reservists

[mental haven]

I wrote a whole essay for college last year on why I believed the invasion was going to happen in that year, then it didnt happen and happend this year

[toxic spade]

Ring your professor

[whole gale]

To be fair, it is pretty irrational for it to happen in the first place

[empty sphinx]

if gabe newell showed up at your doorstep what would you do

[mental haven]

trust me I was actually pretty happy when I thought I was wrong

[mental haven]

Immediately give him all of my worldly possessions before he could incinerate me

[toxic spade]

Hold up a 3 and exorcise him

[whole gale]

Pool is closed

due to kremlin

[fluid cairn]

due to RAIDS

[slender bison]

Wasnt there like one plane that just said fuck it and went through?

Or was that just a meme

[vestal marlin]

Air india

[whole gale]

might be, but it would be very unwise

[vestal marlin]

Yeah 0 fucks given by the Indians

[whole gale]

oh that one

They had to pickup their civilians (indian)

[slender bison]

Ah

[dense python]

https://tenor.com/view/nicholas-cage-funny-laughing-happy-gif-14538106

[toxic spade]

2

[somber egret]

Now it is time to argue if cab-over military vehicles are better than front engine military vehicles

[slender bison]

Yu known Im starting to question rather or nor russia is actually our peer

[whole gale]

What you mean?

[slender bison]

I mean. Ukrainians kinda kicking their ass right now. And apparently still havent learned proper logistics

[mental haven]

anyone know who controls Gornyak rn?

[fiery sierra]

Its part of the problem in dictatorships like this, they can't have strong commanders or else they would be a threat to putin. Also, because the military is what keeps him in power, its highly corrupt so influence reigns over skill

common issue

[slender bison]

Makes sense

But doesnt that mean china probably suffers the same issue?

[whole gale]

Wait.. Ukrainians? You are refering to the Russian lack of logistics?

[dense python]

maybe maybe not

[slender bison]

Im referring to both

[dense python]

china is actually quite smart

[fiery sierra]

To some degree yes, but there its a committee that runs the country so it tends to work a bit better

[dense python]

looking at their military history and just in general

[limber vault]

To be fair Ukrainian logistic issue is understandable

[blazing canopy]

The big fight for today will be Mariupol

[slender bison]

Yeah lol. Russia does tend to look good on paper but completely fuck up in practice. Literally the same story in every conflict they were involved in during the last century.

[fiery sierra]

i think he meant russian logistics issues, leading to ukraine kicking their ass

[blazing canopy]

Individual reports of air attacks on ukranian positions

[limber vault]

Yeah, bustards are trying to create south-east bridge

[blazing canopy]

You still doing good in kiev brother?

[vestal marlin]

Kyiv*

[whole gale]

I am not aware of any severe issues with Ukrainian logistics. It seems adequate for its situation, things are moving.

[blazing canopy]

My apologies, Kyiv

[vestal marlin]

Careful you’ll anger him

[limber vault]

I'm in Kyiv itself

[vestal marlin]

XD

[limber vault]

But I'm doing good

[blazing canopy]

Im glad

Quiet night compared to the last couple?

[vestal marlin]

@limber vault I heard that NATO supplies arrived everyone armed to the teeth now?

[limber vault]

Never eaten this good in the army previously XD

[fiery sierra]

I mean at some point ukraine has to fall back and use the Dnieper river as a natural barrier

[slender bison]

China seems to have a tendency to fragment in conflict. But then again its hard to say since they havent really been at war with a external force in a while.

[limber vault]

Nah, we still waiting for manpads

[whole gale]

Why fall back when they dont have to?

[blazing canopy]

Any update on the EU planes that got issued?

[slender bison]

Wait. Theyve been using Manpad to shoots down Hinds and stuff though..

[fiery sierra]

They are having a hard time in the south. They are overextended and already lost Berdyansk

[blazing canopy]

I've been hearing various things about em

Berdyansk fell without a fight, no troops there

[slender bison]

Also I think this is the first war where were seeing so much

[vestal marlin]

Apparently Polish and Com Bloc MiG-29s

[limber vault]

That's other front

[slender bison]

Like so much is being captured on camera

[fiery sierra]

Mariupol is the furthest point on their supply line, harder to maintain

[grim yacht]

nahh its just the first european one

[blazing canopy]

Right, but more how the new planes have been effectively used

[slender bison]

Well I mean

[analog kernel]

eh

[grim yacht]

theres tonsss of footage from syria

[blazing canopy]

I was seeing stuff like this back in Libya days

[grim yacht]

there are helmet cam livestreams and shit

[blazing canopy]

But its a lot more present now

[fiery sierra]

that only fell today I think, up to then the ukrainians held them off

[slender bison]

Even in yhe middle east, over all theres not that much footage is there? And those arent organized conflict likes this

[analog depot]

Not the first time, WW2 had literal guys recording and making movies to show the world what was happening... with added propaganda of course

[analog kernel]

Syria has been ongoing though. Wasn't a truly first day of hostilities

When Iraq

[analog depot]

It's just the first time we're seeing it on the internet freely

[blazing canopy]

This is the first peer-on-peer conflict since like the 50s

And the first such conflict of the information age

[analog kernel]

Well, we have more footage a few days in Ukraine than months of Iraq

[slender bison]

Were seeing attack helicopters used in mass, paratroopers deployed, tank battles, dog fights, missles strikes, all caught on camera.

[blazing canopy]

Havent seen any dogfights or paratrooper deployments yet

[slender bison]

I dont think thats happened in any other way all together

[grim yacht]

there is plenty of that

[analog kernel]

The russians were allegedly using a crowdsourcing software (now taken down) to correct artillery

[whole gale]

Heard about a paratrooper deployment around Odessa. Word is none made it to shore in the freezing water.

[fiery sierra]

Man, I wish ukraine would come back so strong they would bomb belarus as a lesson

[hoary quiver]

LOL

[slender bison]

War* where?

[grim yacht]

there are tens of thousands of hours of footage from syria

[blazing canopy]

Though what im really interested in is footage of the attempted naval landings in the south. Heard one got pretty cut up

[fiery sierra]

Fake report

[limber vault]

Foxhole calculator?

[analog kernel]

yes we know

[slender bison]

Ya know if we had a stronger leader now would be the perfect time..

[analog kernel]

but again syria happened over time and at the end of the day wasn't a single invasion/intervention

Many stages to it

[slender bison]

Probably would end well though unless the Russian's kicked putin

Which they should

[grim yacht]

that's true but we have footage of all of this stuff from there as well

[whole gale]

Could be, lots of misinformation is floating around.

[analog kernel]

the comparison people have been going for is the last time you saw a major invasion, which would have to be Iraq

[mental haven]

It feels like the first war where there's so many ways to view it in a live format at least more people are viewing it in a live format if that makes sense

[grim yacht]

except maybe paratrooper deployments but idk if ive seen any videos of paratroopers in ukraine

[blazing canopy]

No verified videos of paratroopers

[slender bison]

Yeah buts its usually not..coherent, yu know?

[blazing canopy]

Some heli-borne assault groups

[slender bison]

Like weve got some from this war some from that

[analog kernel]

and we don't have videos of iraq the way we do of this

[slender bison]

Never all together and in the span of a few days

[analog kernel]

It's odd to see two militaries clashing in this way and have it recorded like this

[mental haven]

It feels like the first war where literally nothing can be truly secret for long to the public

[blazing canopy]

War in the digital age

[slender bison]

Exactly

[blazing canopy]

And this is all the public stuff

[slender bison]

I do respect that no one seems to be commiting war crimes..on purpose at least

[mental haven]

welllll

[analog kernel]

um

[whole gale]

If you wanted to have a camera in the Iraq days you had to buy specifically a camera. Nowadays its build in your phone and comes with an internet connection

[slender bison]

Shit

[analog kernel]

I'm sure that apartment building had it coming

[slender bison]

Did they do that on purpose though?

[mental haven]

Syria had a few webcams I think but I dont remember there being many when I attempted to view it in the way i've been viewing this

[blazing canopy]

That 14 year old and kindergarden class must have been targets

[analog kernel]

use of indiscriminate weaponry is a war crime

[blazing canopy]

Also theres the use of Ukranian uniforms day 1

[slender bison]

....so we arent allowed to use artillery then?

[blazing canopy]

Attacks on hospitals + marked medical vehicles

[cosmic loom]

Just don't throw your artillery at a city 4head.

[fiery sierra]

honestly, the first war in the information age was desert storm. its what made CNN famous, by reporting live from baghdad during the initial strikes and days later

[blazing canopy]

Plus close range shooting of civilians has been documented, womans mom got killed in front of her

[mental haven]

i've heard like several peopel from kyiv saying that their ambulances were getting lit up

[fiery sierra]

live, on the air, etc

[slender bison]

Nvm..

[blazing canopy]

True Necrotic, thats moreso the first cable news war

[analog kernel]

Artillery isn't considered indiscriminate.

Cluster Bombs and MLRS are.

[blazing canopy]

This is the tiktok/twitter war

And the democratization of info available is huge

[analog kernel]

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/02/ukraine-cluster-munitions-kill-child-and-two-other-civilians-taking-shelter-at-a-preschool/

[fiery sierra]

so horrible

[mental haven]

This isnt the first war in the information age; this is the first war where civilians in distant lands can accurately tell what's going on to some extent and not rely fully on media outlets and heresay, but thats just my opinion, and I dont think I can communicate that accurately in a short message

[whole gale]

Aye, artillery hits where you point the thing

[mental haven]

Because despite seeing some just completely incorrect stuff from us unwashed masses, It feels like more and more people have a somewhat decent understanding of whats going on

[slender bison]

How is artillery not consider indiscriminate? Especially a barrage?

And no it doesnt

Not always

[cunning owl]

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/volodymyr-zelensky-russian-mercenaries-ordered-to-kill-ukraine-president-cvcksh79d

[analog kernel]

war crimes are generally written by people who would prefer not to define themselves as war criminals, so believe me when I say they are... permissive of some things we might consider shocking. Killing civilians by accident isn't a warcrime in-and-of-itself.

The intent of such laws is to define them in a way that when people are committing warcrimes, it's over a line.

it's not "war as usual"

[fiery sierra]

I wonder, couldn't you execute these as spies? I doubt they would be running around Kyiv with a uniform

[cunning owl]

They are a-ok to execute

[whole gale]

Because the artillery shells land where you point them at. They are able to specifically target military targets only. Thus able to avoid maiming civilians.. if you dont intent to

[analog kernel]

Even in peacetime it's tradition for countries to disavow spies

[cunning owl]

Though technically all Ukrainian citizens are "non-combatants" too

[analog kernel]

don't get caught

[slender bison]

But then whats is and isnt a military target in a city?

[cunning owl]

But the geneva convention isnt really anyone's bible at this moment

[slender bison]

What*

[analog kernel]

if you are actually curious there are actually rules about this, it's not a philosophical topic

[cunning owl]

Usually a military target is something that contributes to the war cause

a urban block where civilians live is NOT a military target

[analog kernel]

People, mostly lawyers, generals, and diplomats, have hammered out exactly what constitutes legitimate military targets. I am not personally cable of describing that in detail so if you are intending to sight for artillery IANAL

[fiery sierra]

america did fire bombing of japan during ww2, or russians encircled Berlin and just hit it with arty for a long time

plenty of things that are somewhat acceptable

[cunning owl]

Whereass a storage depot where military vehicles are held will probably be considered one

[whole gale]

If you wear the proper uniform you are not considered to be a spy. Thus you are allowed to be behind enemy lines if you are in uniform.

[mental haven]

If you are firing artillery into a city you are running the risk of hitting civilians, if you do not have accurate info on what you are about to hit then that is on you imo

[cunning owl]

The current geneva convention was signed after WW2, 1949

[cunning owl]

"allowed" is a strong word 😂

[analog kernel]

the rights you have are much higher than if you are not wearing a uniform

[fiery sierra]

just means that they would be treated as a POW with rights

[whole gale]

If you are caught without uniform, you can expect to be killed. Especially with those who have proven to have more disregard for the rules of war

[mental haven]

im trying to think of an analogy for indiscriminate bombing but I cant think of a good one tbh

[analog kernel]

at the time strategic bombing was an acceptable usage of bombers. As accuracy has improved (bombs were incredibly inaccurate in WW2, "The average circular error in 1943 was 1,200 feet, meaning that only 16 percent of the bombs fell within 1,000 feet of the aiming point") and the general ineffectiveness of such strategies became clear laws what is/is not acceptable changed

[whole gale]

Plain and simple, you are not allowed to kill or risk killing too many civilians

[mental haven]

this will probably come across as a weak analogy, but I thought of it like telling a guy there is either a civilian or a guy about to shoot him behind a door, if he himself fires he risks hitting one or the other but there's no way for him to tell who's behind the door. best way I can think to describe it

[cunning owl]

"throwing darts at a board you can't see" close enough?

[whole gale]

You are even in violation if you target militairy installations with the knowledge that many civilians are present

[analog kernel]

a good way of answering this question is to ask yourself that if you really want people asking you this in front of the Hague.

[mental haven]

That seems to be a good one

[analog kernel]

Under the law of armed conflict (LOAC), the death of non-combatants is not necessarily a violation; there are many things to take into account. Civilians cannot be made the object of an attack, but the death/injury of civilians while conducting an attack on a military objective are governed under principles such as of proportionality and military necessity and can be permissible. Military necessity "permits the destruction of life of ... persons whose destruction is incidentally unavoidable by the armed conflicts of the war; ... it does not permit the killing of innocent inhabitants for purposes of revenge or the satisfaction of a lust to kill. The destruction of property to be lawful must be imperatively demanded by the necessities of war."[45]

it's too late in the evening to get my international law book out so this will have to do

[mental haven]

All in all, bombing a city is usually just not a good idea if you're trying to convince them you're just trying to reintigrate them into your society

[fiery sierra]

It gets very murky, when say one side uses human shields in order to protect an emplacement

[analog kernel]

either way

[whole gale]

The broad idea is to minimise the harm done to civilians. Just keep them as much as possible out of the conflict

[fiery sierra]

common issue in palestine, they move around heavily populated areas shooting mortars

[analog kernel]

point is that russia has... committed some actions that I would not want to be the lawyer for

[fiery sierra]

the only issue is, you will never get them into the ICJ as long as putin is there

[mental haven]

omg i can see a babushka feeding like a million pigeons

[analog kernel]

true. sun is rising isn't it?

[true salmon]

it's past dawn

[fiery sierra]

shit, i g2g sleep

[whole gale]

The Chechens remember

[fiery sierra]

gn ppl

[analog kernel]

past dawn, right

[limber vault]

Sun risen like 2 hours ago here

[analog kernel]

There were unsubstantiated rumours that Monday was the deadline given to the russian armed forces to capture Kyiv or Kharkiv

[limber vault]

They will get neither, but might create a south-east bridge

[whole gale]

I would be suprised if there was a plan other than take city

If this is accurate, the Russian army aint doing so hot

[limber vault]

Only 2 drones? Such a shame

[fiery sierra]

dont think they use much do they?

plus its expensive to shoot a drone

[whole gale]

Russia doesnt seem to use much

[analog kernel]

I dunno about you guys I wanna hear about these boats

[fiery sierra]

they probably used barges and sticky nades

[vivid notch]

likely not

[fiery sierra]

😛

[vivid notch]

as much as i wouldnt trust russian source, i too wouldnt trust ukrainian

[whole gale]

I suspect it might be the one stranded without fuel asking some gorgian ship for fuel

[fiery sierra]

thing is, that is only a small portion of russian arsenal

[mental haven]

1.16800% of all russian tanks according to quick google search. interesting

[analog kernel]

I've seen some US intel too

[fiery sierra]

but by the videos and what we do know, it does seem somewhat accurate

the BUK kill was on video

[vivid notch]

i want to know ukrainian losses too

[mental haven]

I honestly forgot russia had 12,000 tanks

[whole gale]

keep in mind it cannot use all its arsenal on Ukraine alone. It still needs to man the borders

[analog depot]

I could actually believe it considering the original numbers posted came from a Russian official's email (it was quickly deleted too)

[vivid notch]

its like no media talking about ukrainian losses, despite they got their bases getting glassed by the first few hours

[slender bison]

Well.. But thats the thing

[cunning owl]

probably higher

[analog kernel]

I don't think that is the same thing you think it is

[whole gale]

Last number I saw was 500 soldiers dead

[brave wave]

Oh damn they got a Buk?
Revenge for MH17 achieved

[slender bison]

If theres a large apartment complex and gets turned into a enemy stronghold, isnt it a legitimate military target?

[limber vault]

Honestly there's no information about that, but we do hear about military personnel dying, like the guy who blow up bridge with himself

[analog kernel]

If you have proof that you had a reason to believe that was true yes

[vivid notch]

i mean ofc you would hear stories like that

[whole gale]

Yep, they got it on camera. Ukrainian drone got it when it was stranded without fuel.

[vivid notch]

why bother sharing bad news

[slender bison]

If a factory making tanks parts is being staffed by civilians, isnt it stilp a legitimate target? A dry dock? A shipyard? Ports?

[cunning owl]

yes

[fiery sierra]

yeah, no point in sharing bad news about ukraine, need them to be at highest morale

[analog kernel]

Yes

[mental haven]

I would guess ukrainian losses are either similar to or higher than russians, which percentage of those deaths is military would be debatable tbh

[analog kernel]

You are talking as if you think you are going to make me think about these for the first time

[fiery sierra]

share russian losses to shame them is fair game as the aggressors

[vivid notch]

that's what i dont like tbh, i just want to see both side of the war

[slender bison]

I..? I didnt know we were disagreeing

[vivid notch]

all i see rn is media making it seems like ukraine is close to total victory

[limber vault]

Man, I gotta be honest, hearing about our loses only makes us angrier

[slender bison]

I dont really know who you are, and I doubt you know who I am

[fiery sierra]

There is a distinction between working in the factory, and just being in the same building that happens to be a residential building

[analog kernel]

you are asking questions as if you are expecting me to say no or be confused but I already said my entire position on this

[fiery sierra]

but in any case, I think you can claim they chose that building to have human shields. So the defenders in that case would be held accountable as well

[mental haven]

likely we will see the true numbers after the war has ended. It seems that the russian offensive has not caused enough casualties on the ukrainian side to push them back significantly enough yet, so take that with what you will

[slender bison]

1. How am I doing that? And 2. Why would I want that?

[analog kernel]

I'm literally over here like

[whole gale]

To be honest it would be best to keep demoralising the Russians. The russian soldiers are practically kids, with many seeming to be unaware what they are even doing.

[fiery sierra]

Thats why they choose specific people, like the bridge guy in crimea

[brave wave]

I recall a few days back they reported about 160 dead after the first day.
My X key nearly failed from all the doubt. I don't think we're going to get an honest appraisal from either side for a few weeks.

[fiery sierra]

They have mostly been reported civilian losses, to pressure russia

[analog kernel]

You are asking questions like this

Well.. But thats the thing
when i said
Under the law of armed conflict (LOAC), the death of non-combatants is not necessarily a violation; there are many things to take into account. Civilians cannot be made the object of an attack, but the death/injury of civilians while conducting an attack on a military objective are governed under principles such as of proportionality and military necessity and can be permissible. Military necessity "permits the destruction of life of ... persons whose destruction is incidentally unavoidable by the armed conflicts of the war; ... it does not permit the killing of innocent inhabitants for purposes of revenge or the satisfaction of a lust to kill. The destruction of property to be lawful must be imperatively demanded by the necessities of war."[45]

[brave wave]

At some point Russia has to admit a shitload of 20 year olds just fucking died, and Ukraine's going to have to admit to the families what they've lost

[cunning owl]

Their logistics alone is enough to demoralize them 💀

[analog kernel]

I don't know why you wouldwant to do that

[limber vault]

I mean, angry soldiers might start executing Russians like 1945 so...

[analog kernel]

but I am bored of repeating myself either way

[cunning owl]

and im not even joking

[slender bison]

Lol

[cunning owl]

theyre begging locals for gas

[analog kernel]

it's 1:30 AM so I will sleep

[slender bison]

Dude chill. I was never arguing with you to begin with

[vivid notch]

you know the army russia has sent so far is conscripted, equipped with outdated military equipment?

[mental haven]

not true

[vivid notch]

you can see the lack of discipline like leaving tank without destroying it

[limber vault]

Yeah, the funniest moment when drove to police station and asked them XD

[cunning owl]

*mostly true

[slender bison]

Im just asking question for sake of pondering them

[analog depot]

Cryner, air raid siren?

[mental haven]

i've seen many instances of modern equipment being used

[cunning owl]

average russian intellectual on god

[limber vault]

Huh?

[vivid notch]

also afaik russians cant access most media social

[analog depot]

Is Kyiv air raid siren going off?

[vivid notch]

twitter etc

[slender bison]

I think theyve mostly been using older stuff

[whole gale]

Imagine hearing your child has been captured in Ukraine. Wondering what the fuck they are even doing there

[limber vault]

I'm near Kyiv, but far enough to not hear sirens

[mental haven]

russians do have access to other sources of news outside of russia, as well as social media sites

[analog depot]

Even with how loud they are? Sheeesh. Was just asking in case this live cam was on a loop

[brave wave]

To be fair we're not seeing the whole picture of any of these things. It's easy to armchair drill sgt this whole shebang, but we aren't there, we don't know what's actually happening beyond the tiny glimpses that we can see through a phone camera 100m away.

[whole gale]

Living somewhere southwards from kyiv?

[vivid notch]

that's the problem, so far we only see one side (ukrainian)

i want to see both

[slender bison]

Thats not a lack of discipline if they dont have a means to destroy it.

[mental haven]

I don't think the idea that russians are using mostly outdated stuff is true, like yeah we're seeing it, but thats not all thats present there right now

[slender bison]

Well I think its a mix

[vivid notch]

progress of each fronts, movements from both sides

[slender bison]

I havent seen any T90s

Or the more modern BMPs

[limber vault]

Usually sound travels like 1-2 km from source, plus buildings can obstruct sound waves

[slender bison]

But then again most modern stuff is just upgraded late cold war stuff

So its hard to tell

[hoary quiver]

They are using a mix of modern and old

[slender bison]

All russian tanks look the same anyway..

[whole gale]

Russian army will use whatever was available to be send. They wont pull T-90s from the other side of the country

[mental haven]

I just wouldn't say it's fair to say the russians are only using old equipment, which ive seen a fair few people saying

[vivid notch]

if someone tell me that russia is dumping old equipment at ukraine to cut upkeep cost i wont be surprised

[slender bison]

Why are they all on the other side of the country?

[analog depot]

T90's are definitely apart of it, some Ukrainian guy was calling them trash after coming across a destroyed one. Not sure how many are being used but there are a few

[slender bison]

Wouldnt surprise me if the T90 isnt as good as reported.

[whole gale]

Tanks are pretty redundant in the modern day 🤷

[limber vault]

Haven't seen any destroyed T90

[slender bison]

Like the T34. Decent on paper, not so much in practice.

[limber vault]

Seen T80 though

[slender bison]

No they are not

[analog depot]

Yea it was only a singular video of it, definitely was a T90 by the looks of it

[whole gale]

Expensive and demanding on your supplylines

[cunning owl]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/946521065922908200/947742235024314368/worthlessrublel.mp4

[mental haven]

personal anti-tank/air weapons have advanced very fast in the last decades alongside tanks

[slender bison]

Theyve always been that

[analog depot]

Also tanks are not so much as redundant as more or less, they've become a glass cannon that still offers SOME protection

[slender bison]

And modern tanks have counter measures. Just because theres a good counter to something doesnt mean its redundant.

[limber vault]

@analog depot okay,now siren is here

[slender bison]

If your an infantryman and theres a tank with you I garuntee you wouldnt thing of them as redundant. Especially if theyre well protected. From what Ive heard the russians arent using the right amount of infantry witht their tanks.

[cunning owl]

stay safe

[analog depot]

Ye what Hello said

[vivid notch]

any result of the talks yet

[whole gale]

You would be suprised how little you can travel with a tank. Huge fuel drain and lots of components that will break.

[vivid notch]

i mean shouldnt there be some sort of cease fire

[fiery sierra]

its more, you can count. Every 5 seconds is a mile if I remember right

[vivid notch]

unless the talk is over and no peace/cease fire achieved

[analog depot]

Also not using enough tanks with their tanks, seems like majority are grouped in 4's, without infantry support too

[slender bison]

I work with x tankers, so I dont think I would be surprised. Again tanks have always been fuel hungry. This isnt knew and doesnt make them obsolescent.

New*

[fiery sierra]

so for my metric friends, if you see a flash and count. Every 3 seconds is a km

[whole gale]

Eh, best tactic would be to avoid anti-tank installations with your tanks

[limber vault]

Exactly why I was confused lol

[fiery sierra]

its a useful trick to figure out where the center of a lightning storm is in respect to you

[mental haven]

several livestreams of kyiv are using a fake looped audio

[limber vault]

I remember every second being 300 meters or so

[whole gale]

The speed of sound

[limber vault]

2nd siren going off

[fiery sierra]

343m/s

[whole gale]

340m/s or something

[cunning owl]

I'm not too sure if this article is trustworthy but according to it, the peace talks won't work

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/volodymyr-zelensky-russian-mercenaries-ordered-to-kill-ukraine-president-cvcksh79d

[mental haven]

not sure why but several websites hosting the kyiv live streams aren't using real audio and havent for several hours, my theory is this is to boost viewcount since live streams with sounds are more popular

[cunning owl]

"A source closely connected to the group’s activities confirmed that a total of between 2,000 and 4,000 mercenaries had arrived in Ukraine in January. Some were deployed to the disputed eastern regions of Donetsk and Luhansk. Another 400 entered from Belarus and made their way to the capital.

The mercenaries have been told that Putin wants a brief pause to show that he is negotiating with Zelensky, but assured them that no deal would be reached and that the effort would be simply “smoke and mirrors”, according to a source close to senior members of the Wagner Group."

"The mercenaries are awaiting a signal from the Kremlin and have been promised hefty bonuses for killings in the next few days and safe passage out of Ukraine before the end of the week.

In addition to Zelensky their hit list contains 23 other figures, including the prime minister, the cabinet, the mayor of Kyiv, Vitali Klitschko and his brother Wladimir, both popular former boxing champions who have joined the military fight against the invaders."

[whole gale]

Varies on the atmosphere somewhat but around that number indeed. Speed of sound

[vivid notch]

i wouldnt trust ukrainian president statement just as i wouldnt trust putin's

its so easy to throw accusations especially when you have a media backing you

[somber egret]

Theoretically if man portable missles and systems can take down tanks and helicopters and whatnot
Are we going to return to ww1 trench warfare since vehicles will just get whacked

[vivid notch]

russian state owned media for putin, and any other piece of media for zelensky

[analog depot]

Trench warfare never left, it's just not the same large mazes you saw during ww1

[whole gale]

I would be more trusting of Ukranian sources than Russian sources. But with both you need to keep their biases in mind.

[mental haven]

Fighting in trenches is still used in modern combat, its just downsized a bit more since most militaries usually try to stay mobile and shit

[fiery sierra]

we moved to guerrilla warfare instead

[somber egret]

Also im gonna attempt to make steak with the advice of people here from several days ago 👍

[vivid notch]

i've seen russian source from telegram and i'm gonna be honest they do seem more neutral, as they're more focused on troops movement, resistance from ukrainian side

rather than posting dead bodies and burning vehicles

[mental haven]

godspeed you magnificent bastard

[analog depot]

Not Neutral, they're reporting 0 losses. Sorry, 1 loss. That's all Putin has reported.

[vivid notch]

media now feels like someone saying in world chat, "we killed 1 tank urraaa" while a vp is being surrounded by 20

[fiery sierra]

@vivid notch they are in different circumstances. Ukraine has to try to break the morale of the russians. Russians are trying to downplay any damage they may have done

[brave wave]

It wasn't even just the tank that killed trench warfare. Radio, precision artillery, and the development of infantry infiltration tactics were huge as well.

By WW2 the tanks weren't needed for trench pushes, they were just a major amplifier.

[mental haven]

me going into the nuking feet first

[mental haven]

very true

[whole gale]

If you take a Russian source which tries to map Ukrainian troop movement vs Ukrainian source trying to demoralise their enemy. It would make logical sense. Ukranian troop movements are actively being hidden to make it harder for Russian army to keep track of

[limber vault]

Sirens finally silent

[mental haven]

russia's new years present this year is hours and hours of air raid sirens

[slender bison]

Hmm. Were seeing the Ukrainian's big bucks for big booms

I approve

[topaz hedge]

How’s things going

[mental haven]

Think somethings going on at mariupol

[whole gale]

One might think that something could be going on at mariupol

[real swift]

Lmao

Schrodingers city

[whole gale]

Did the Russians manage to take the city yet or they still asking for fuel at the police station?

[mental haven]

from what im seeing just kinda sounds like they're doing what they're doing everywhere else

[slender bison]

We need to air drop some monsters into the Ukrain. Then theyll really get to work.

[slender bison]

Ukraine*

[mental haven]

saw some pro russian accounts sharing videos of their guys outside mariupol but so far I havent see much from inside mariupol

[whole gale]

I would think the city would have been taken with 24 hours. How.. they got control of the sea, its close to the borders, far supply lines (especially from poland).

[raw leaf]

No, because air bombing and rocket launchers exist. Trenches are still here, but against a specialised attack they are useless

[mental haven]

those accounts also really like the satellite image of the 64 km russian convoy thing from a few hours ago

[whole gale]

If any city would fall it would be that one

[whole gale]

That is a very bad strategy btw

[mental haven]

yeah... seems like the intention of it is to project power

[whole gale]

While risking being stuck in traffic.

[mental haven]

its a great way to get missiled

[whole gale]

Hit the front and the entire convoy has to stop or find a way around

[mental haven]

I know we want info from both sides, but judging what i've seen from pro-russian media and social media... it's just not a contest

[scarlet elbow]

I hope there wont be too many unnecessary sanctions against Russia, it's already enough really

[somber egret]

i dont think i cooked it fully, but i still ate it

[jolly peak]

Have fun throwing up then if that’s the case

[somber egret]

uhhhh

uh oh

i mean the areas along the ends tasted good and were hot
but the middle inside was uhhhh
kinda not warm?
but then again i ate under a fan

[jovial loom]

[whole gale]

If you judged wrong your stomach will let you know 🤢

[mental haven]

Well

[boreal dock]

I would think that you know from foxhole how hard is to take city. Its like attacking fortrest where from almost every possible angle someone can kill you.

[somber egret]

hmmmm

[mental haven]

It’s still edible

[somber egret]

yayyyyyy

[mental haven]

I think that’s the first time I’ve seen an actual blue rare steak

[somber egret]

uh oh

[whole gale]

Blue?

[mental haven]

Hey man it’s all down to preference

[somber egret]

i didnt want to burn the outside tho :(

[karmic ether]

It doesnt help that Russian forces dont have a consistent logistical sectiom to support their massive quantities of mechanized/motorized vehicles and tanks either

[whole gale]

If it is beef it should be fine to eat raw

[boreal dock]

No send russia economy back to stone age

[karmic ether]

And an unfriendly civilian population makes it even more untenable

[jolly peak]

@somber egret do you not know how to cook orrrrr

[mental haven]

Lol I over exaggerated a bit

[karmic ether]

And then throw those same undersupplied and low morale conscripts into a urban combat situation

[mental haven]

This is a blue

[scarlet elbow]

...

[somber egret]

no not really

[karmic ether]

And you got a recipe for a disaster

[jolly peak]

Uh

[somber egret]

i can cook pasta

[jolly peak]

That’s not good

[somber egret]

but meat i have no idea what im doing

[mental haven]

I’ve been cooking steaks and learned a lot about it

[somber egret]

so ive been living like meat free for several months
plus shimp

[mental haven]

My favorite is medium rare with lots of seasoning

[whole gale]

Conscripts are already notorious for poor morale (and poor performance)

[karmic ether]

As someone who has a lot of experience with cooking meat, that is not cooked

it’s still raw

[mental haven]

I’m a basic bitch for cooking

[karmic ether]

and I like medium rare

[boreal dock]

This, only way in my mind to take large city withouth blood bath on your side is to denay it any supplies and maybe in a half year they will surender.

[somber egret]

im starting to panic

[mental haven]

Technically it should be fine since the outside is cooked

[fading dove]

If they touch Klitschkos I will send another donation to Ukraine army out of spite

[jovial loom]

[mental haven]

As long as the outside is cooked with most cuts of steak it’s usually safe to eat, if you’re into that sorta thing….

[karmic ether]

That would mean Russian soldiers would have to bypass the majority of the Ukranian country side and encircle all major industrial/civilian enclaves

[whole gale]

If you outnumber it enough and cut any hope for resupplies, you would see cities quickly surrendering

[boreal dock]

Im sorry if you are russian, but know that hate on your guvorment and now also at population is strong. Thats the price you must pay for letting that baboon to rulle for so long.

[mental haven]

I usually can consistently get medium rare with like 6 minutes either side at higher levels of heat

[scarlet elbow]

he's doing and we paying

and he's not paying at all

[karmic ether]

Tibby if you get any stomach aches

[karmic ether]

The Russian people cant be put to blame for an autocrat taking advantage of a large populace

Then uhh go see a doctor

[scarlet elbow]

as well as sanctions won't get our country back to stoneage, but they will shit on population

[karmic ether]

Same thing Mussolini did and Hitler and Franco and Gaddafi
Its an endless list

[dusky knot]

it's beef so if it's fresh you should be fine even if it's totally raw

[mental haven]

What lavender said

[scarlet elbow]

although he was ruling for so long because he was the best option we had

now every other potential president is better than this tyrant

[karmic ether]

JUST in case you get any stomach ache go see a doctor

[whole gale]

I wonder how Putin would manage to get out of this situation.. Lot of powerful people got fucked over by the shenanigans

[scarlet elbow]

he won't last at all, just the oligarchs because of whom he's a president won't let him

[karmic ether]

There’s always a chance of infection

[mental haven]

Yeah it’s not impossible to get a bad cut of beef tbh

[scarlet elbow]

He won't. There is NO way to get out of this, he is totally fucked

[somber egret]

i think me worrying about the steak is making my stomach nervous

but i dunno

[scarlet elbow]

No physically possible in this universe way to recover from this, he must pray for oligarchs to not shoot him

[karmic ether]

I think you need to leave discord for a little bit buddy

[dusky knot]

it's not impossible but at least you didn't eat raw chicken or pork lmao

[karmic ether]

Yea

[whole gale]

Russian economy is tanking and lots of assets are being frozen.. lots of lives being ruined.. lots of money on the line

[brisk gazelle]

You won't die from eating raw steak but try to cook it a bit more next time xd

[scarlet elbow]

Yeah that's why he ain't lasting long

The situation was already poor for two decades but he managed to ruin it even more

[fickle cliff]

Turn down the heat

[cunning owl]

https://tenor.com/view/barnyard-pig-thats-not-dead-not-dead-its-still-alive-gif-24185112

[fickle cliff]

https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/1498126187943583744

BNO News (@BNONews)

BREAKING: Belarus preparing to send soldiers into Ukraine in support of Russia's invasion as early as Monday, U.S. official says - WaPo

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[somber egret]

[cunning owl]

How did you cook it?

[fickle cliff]

And just when you thought it couldn’t get worse

It got worse

[somber egret]

on a pan with butter

[cunning owl]

UwU time to crash belarus's economy

[fickle cliff]

Generally with steaks you should not be cooking at full power

That’s how you get a cooked outside and raw inside

[somber egret]

i was at like.... 1/4th or half power i think

[scarlet elbow]

Well not very much worse at least

[cunning owl]

Do you have a grill or anything? Pan with butter is just closer to frying the outside if you're not experienced

[somber egret]

its too cold for grilling outside

[cunning owl]

Then warm the outside with a grill

[whole gale]

With beef you can get away with eating it raw if you heated the outside enough. (where the bacteria would mostlikely be)

[boreal dock]

Sorry, after hearing for years how russia could take Latvia in less that two hours if they wanted, hearing how we arent really a state, hearing how genocide before and after second world war didnt happen and how tens of tousands of people didnt get sent to gulags and didnt die there. I dont care. All I wish to see is russia economy back in stone age, and a lot more, but telling that will get me banned. All I want now is for russia to be so week that they cant pose threat to my home for next milenium.

Standing by and doing nothing while rusdia is waging war to me now is the same as supporting this stupid war.

[jade summit]

whats life like over there in russia?

[scarlet elbow]

Hopes that Putin will show at least a bit of mercy and will leave at least a part of Ukraine independent

[mental haven]

Tibby this is very basic bitch instructions for steak but what I usually do is: defrost steak for 1 day before cooking if it was in the freezer, season it with salt, pepper, and some other seasonings, usually whatever I’m cooking on I use vegetable oil. At high heats, you can usually reliably get medium rare steak at 5-6 minutes, then at the end add in the butter. I’m pretty new to cooking but that’s mostly what I do. Lmk if that helps or it comes across as crazy lol

[somber egret]

infinate produced warmth

ohhhh, i threw the butter in first and then the steak, and was at like... low heat cause i didnt want to burn the outside

[slim acorn]

Stop, youre making me hungry

[mental haven]

Oh shut I said one part wrong

[fickle cliff]

Throw in some garlic and whatever else you like for flavor

[mental haven]

5-6 minutes for each side

[slim acorn]

: (

[somber egret]

OH

[scarlet elbow]

Russia was a good guy for the majority of Russian history. The only threat is some wrong guy using it in a bad way, like Putin. Russia must thrive otherwise, we can get more powerful, we have enough resources

[whole gale]

Wont even let them join a defensive pact without threatening their lives

[mental haven]

There we go

[somber egret]

i only did like 5 or 6 or 7 mins total i think

[cunning owl]

How I cook it is a lot slower, if frozen let it defrost for like 6-7 hours, shear the outsides on a hot grill so that moisture wont get out and season in between shears, then place it inside the grill away from the flame to let it slow cook for about 20-30 minutes

[scarlet elbow]

poor
not african level of poor, but the poorest by the marks of europe

[mental haven]

That’s what I do 😈

[fickle cliff]

Having a competent command staff helps

[jade summit]

how much is a loaf of bread over there

[boreal dock]

In baltic they never were good guys.

[slim acorn]

You should start a cooking show

[jade summit]

i wanna know how much impact the sanctions inflicted

[scarlet elbow]

dunno like 50 rubles last time

[slim acorn]

And then make cooking products and advertise them on that cooking show

[fickle cliff]

Foxhole meme cooking show

I would honestly not mind. If it had actual stuff I can eat

[jade summit]

do u think the price will get higher?

[cunning owl]

how much is it now

[scarlet elbow]

enough for oligarchs to turn angry on putin, he ruined their lives so they'll ruin his

[whole gale]

Having command staff helps

[karmic ether]

Next time you make a stake defrost it then add lemon and pepper seasoning and cook it at medium for 5 minutes each side

[scarlet elbow]

yup, already happening

[mental haven]

I might try this out if I ever have the free time for a slow cook lol

[scarlet elbow]

maybe a bit higher already idk

[jade summit]

good i hope it dosent have to last atleast a month

[cunning owl]

there are a couple videos on youtube, learning how to shear the steak is a must

[mental haven]

By shear do you mean remove fatty parts or?

[cunning owl]

I heard there was a run on the banks, did you go?

[cunning owl]

no def not, keep the fatty parts

[scarlet elbow]

No, it's a suicide mostly lol

[cunning owl]

shear is kinda like a quick fry on every surface

[dusky knot]

I like a cast iron pan for steak

[slim acorn]

No. Cut it into a perfectly rectangular slab

[jade summit]

do u guys think that ukraine can push back the russians out of the territory???

[scarlet elbow]

or are we talking about different runs

[cunning owl]

Well not fry

[cunning owl]

might be the same one

[mental haven]

Not quite sure if shearing is different way to say what I’m thinking

[raw leaf]

Alone? Oh hell nah

[scarlet elbow]

as in robbing?

[cunning owl]

Oh nvm

[scarlet elbow]

nope :/

[cunning owl]

The way shearing works is you get high temp fire and flame, then place the steak on top for only like 20-30 seconds

[somber egret]

i will definatly cook it longer
but my steak was just refridgerated

[cunning owl]

then flip until the ENTIRE outside is like that

when done properly, no juices will escape when slow cooking

and the steak will be very juicy

[mental haven]

I think I have done “shearing” before but never had a name for it when cooking in cold temperature

[jade summit]

cant really imagine what would the outcome would be even if they did took ukraine

[slim acorn]

Fucking steak, man. All im going to want is steak, all week long

[jade summit]

pretty sure it will still be at war and the sanctions would continue???

[boreal dock]

With support from rest of the world and already low russian troop morale, I think its possible in time, righ now not really

[slim acorn]

What is up with steak?

[cunning owl]

cry about it

[mental haven]

Nothing good will happen if Russia occupies most of Ukraine

[slim acorn]

Seething

[cunning owl]

coping

[somber egret]

oof

[slim acorn]

Like that steak

[scarlet elbow]

Last time we had one we pushed Napoleon back and kinda saved the whole Europe, not to brag

[whole gale]

All Ukraine seems to have to do is outlast the Russian cash reserves. Russia is paying a lot more money than Ukraine rn. No money makes for angry soldiers

[slim acorn]

Juicy, tender steak

[somber egret]

i can post my uncooked steak again to make you not crave it if you want?

[slim acorn]

Ive developed a craving that id follow unto death to find

[cunning owl]

bold of you to assume Russia is paying it's soldiers /s

[slim acorn]

And satisfy

[mental haven]

That is to say, even though rare steak isn’t popular, if you like it you can still do it

[cunning owl]

no its fine you can eat that

[somber egret]

XD

[cunning owl]

Tibby what you did was pretty similar to shearing, it might be salvageable if you try the slow cook thing

[slim acorn]

Its steak no matter how you cook it

[cunning owl]

Ofc you might miss-time it and end up with well-done

[slim acorn]

That was deeper than intended

[fickle knot]

They did 3 months advanced pay with the Feb 14th conscription call ups

[whole gale]

🎩
🧐 Slave labour, how traditional

[mental haven]

Not sure how I go from talking about cooking to a literal war in this channel

[boreal dock]

Saved or took over land that wasnt yours to begin with.

[somber egret]

unless you barely cook it
then its just beef

[slim acorn]

Woah.

[cunning owl]

inkrat chill, hate the gov not the people

[slim acorn]

Thats really deep.

The deepest, even.

[fickle cliff]

Except Ukraine can find people that want to fight for them

[fickle knot]

https://mobile.twitter.com/breaking911/status/1498152473407668228

[mental haven]

My favorite cut to cook is like a tbone, my god that was my favorite to cook

[whole gale]

Thousands of Russians are being arrested for being in the anti-war "protests"

[mental haven]

God Damnit now I’m gonna go buy a tbone

[cunning owl]

my favorite is ribeye cap

[fickle knot]

Get a chuck roast

[cunning owl]

definitely the best part of the steak

[slim acorn]

See? This whole topic is cursed!

It is enchanted with enticement III

[topaz hedge]

Imagine surviving a nuclear war only to die of the same disease that’s been plaguing the earth for the past 2 years

[cunning owl]

T-bone is a lot harder to shear cause you've got to physically hold it up with tongs when doing the sides 😂

[whole gale]

C'est la vie

[somber egret]

mwahahahaha i started a steak search

[slim acorn]

Noooo

[scarlet elbow]

Yes and made the life there quite better, had a lot of liberalistic reforms, really mostly everyone there liked it

Didn't touch their culture at all either

[mental haven]

I typically don’t shear my steaks at all tbh because I cook for my whole family whenever I do cook, and the fun part is they ALL have different preferences for level of doneness

[cunning owl]

Is this some european reference im too american to understand

[scarlet elbow]

I want Alexander the first to stand up from his grave he was good

[whole gale]

You talking about Napoleon?

[cunning owl]

As long as it's not well-done then anything is good lol

[limber gale]

Saved from Napoleon

[mental haven]

The history of well done steaks is pretty interesting tbh

[scarlet elbow]

Yes about the Napoleon wars, after it Russia got Finland and Poland

[boreal dock]

Knowing how much pain and suffering russia did to my home, and seeing that they try to do the same in Ukraine makes my blood boil. Hell if I would not have job right now I would have been in Ukraine fighting fore them with arms in hands.

[slim acorn]

Things got a little bumpy with Finland didnt they?

I wonder how steak is typically cooked in Finland

[whole gale]

I hope it isnt to try justifying why russia gets to glass them now?

[cunning owl]

https://mobile.twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1498181493683802112?cxt=HHwWgMCywa-IzsopAAAA

NEXTA (@nexta_tv)

Two railwaymen seized a #Russian armored personnel carrier.

One of the Russian invaders got out of the cab and asked for directions. The railwaymen pointed the way to a dead end. Once trapped, two of the occupants were detained. Two others managed to escape. https://t.co/WI28RsB0AJ

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[scarlet elbow]

what does gets to glass mean?

[mental haven]

Lmfao I saw that a few hours ago

[cunning owl]

Yes but wishing harm on russia's civilian population is a bit of a reach

[slim acorn]

Halo reference?

[fickle cliff]

Halo reference

[slim acorn]

i see

[fickle cliff]

Basically orbital bombardment with lasers until the surface turns to black glass or obsidian

[whole gale]

Destroy/kill/annihilate/occupy.

[cunning owl]

It's like me hating on depressed japanese businessmen for their ancestors actions in pearl harbor and nanking

[scarlet elbow]

Yeah considering that we always wanted just peace and good for everyone unlike our recent government

[fickle cliff]

Except in this case, it’s nuclear warheads

[cunning owl]

That's also a bit of a stretch

[scarlet elbow]

ohh hell nah I hate this putin bitch

he's the worst tyrant russia had really

[cunning owl]

💀

[scarlet elbow]

to be honest he's really worse than what was in USSR

[cunning owl]

https://tenor.com/view/communiste-communist-hugs-heart-red-gif-14360509

[slim acorn]

Calcium

[mental haven]

Russias history is my favorite to study, especially the difference between what westerns call certain figures and what Russians call figures

[slim acorn]

His hair is moving :0

Magik!

[scarlet elbow]

USSR at least won WW2 and didn't fight innocent countries, the life here was better too, even despite it being communist

[cunning owl]

ok that's major cap, if stalin had access to nuclear weapons early on im pretty sure none of us would be alive

[slim acorn]

Good thing that didnt happen

[scarlet elbow]

yes but he didn't so XD

yeah stalin was pretty much a criminal

[slim acorn]

Oh boy i wouldve gotten bored of not existing

[cunning owl]

Stalin is a lot worse imo but putin is up there

[scarlet elbow]

I'm not saying that ussr is good btw

[scarlet elbow]

idk both suck ass

[boreal dock]

Ouh, did by culture and liberalistic reforms you mean banning local language, or the fact that for a time beaing my people were almost in a status as slaves? Or did you mean before and after second world war sending all intelligent people to gulag, also nearly forbidding local language, sending to prison for having old flag at home or even speaking against occupation power?

[mental haven]

@scarlet elbow what is the name of this guy in your language

[slim acorn]

Spoken like a true gentleman

[topaz hedge]

Ok I dunno why but I found this funny

https://youtube.com/shorts/Yh_IiO0R63Q?feature=share

[scarlet elbow]

you're changing times my guy

you've gone over to the communist russia times and it's not good

[slim acorn]

Pretty comedic if you ask me

[topaz hedge]

Really captures that “only in Eastern Europe” moment

[slim acorn]

Although i have no say in comedic matters

Or any other matters

[whole gale]

Good. It is worrying how many people think that having your borders somewhere in the past is enough to go invade everyone. Especially around the Warsaw Pact

[scarlet elbow]

I'm talking about Russia winning napoleon in 1812, Russia got Finland and Poland - life there got better
As well as their native language was used in their local government deals

[slim acorn]

I shouldnt be allowed to consciously transmute words

[cunning owl]

China moment

[scarlet elbow]

Yeah thankfully kinda majority of russians don't think that way
It's mostly older, brainwashed by propaganda generations now who still belive in Putin

[boreal dock]

It was short history of my home interaction with russia. Nothing good ever come from it.

[scarlet elbow]

What's your home?

[limber vault]

Finland I assume

[boreal dock]

Latvia.

[scarlet elbow]

well Finland was with russia before ussr

[limber vault]

Close enough

[scarlet elbow]

Oh yeah you're talking about communists, they're bad no justifying for them

when communists came russia stopped being the good guy

[whole gale]

Russia was terrible before too

[limber vault]

I like he we banned communists two times in Ukraine but west was concerned about freedom of speech for them XD

[mental haven]

Don’t think any country can truthfully be the good guy, they can only be

[whole gale]

Especially for the peasants who got to enjoy the Tsar's services

[scarlet elbow]

Yeah life here was bad always, but at least our country wasn't a villain

[cunning owl]

Remember when the commies gunned down the ruling family in a basement

[boreal dock]

Russia empire was no walk in the part to. Sorry if I was a bit to harsh, you do sound like a nice guy, but man, you have no idea how current situation makes my blood boil.

[scarlet elbow]

Damn if you think about it there really was no time ever in the history of Russia when life was good for it's citizens

[civic jasper]

Kinda rich coming from the WEST

[cunning owl]

pretty sure everyone is pissed at putin

[civic jasper]

responsible for destabilizing Asia

[limber gale]

@boreal dock don't bother with the Russian saviour mindset

[mental haven]

I think pretty much every government is the bad guy in some capacity but we just have to live with them

[cosmic loom]

Russian Savior mindset 😂

[scarlet elbow]

I do have idea of that, because it makes my blood boil too, Russia is currently not being what Russia was at all, my country is invading the same people as we are, my friends and relatives of my family

[dark sable]

Not my soviet parents

[scarlet elbow]

this^

[whole gale]

That was quite a brutal affair indeed.

[mental haven]

I think it’s cool to talk about Russian history through the different eras

I just like history in general

[limber vault]

History is interesting in general

[topaz hedge]

I’m actually learning Russian Revolution in school rn

[scarlet elbow]

the communist one?

[topaz hedge]

I mean…yeah?

1900-1920s

[whole gale]

I dont see governments as 'bad' or 'good'. Because no government can be inherently good or bad. It all comes down to power and how it gets used. Which is always for the personal benefit for those who wield it.

[scarlet elbow]

Do they give you enough of an idea of how brutal it was or do they tune it down? xD

[mental haven]

I agree on that

[topaz hedge]

Oh no they tell ya how fucked it was to be a peasant

Though we’re more or less skimming through major events from a political standpoint

[scarlet elbow]

Personal benefit can be good for all for certain people so it's crucial to have the right people
We don't rn

[mental haven]

I think my favorite place to study rn is north African history in the 1100-1400 periods

[cunning owl]

did they tell you how fucked you were to be a rich person during the revolution though

[limber vault]

Wanna share something with you as well, battle of Kruty
When 500 students held off 6000 Bolsheviks to win some time for Kyiv

[topaz hedge]

Haven’t gotten up to that part

[whole gale]

Most important thing for me it seems to have as much checks on power as possible. Trias politca and all that

[topaz hedge]

The nice thing about this class is the teacher just lets us post memes on our Class Teams

[scarlet elbow]

oh yeah those guys got rekt

[mental haven]

do you think the Provisional Siberian Government should’ve won the civil war

[scarlet elbow]

Yup, if there's one guy who stays above everyone else - bad things happen

[scarlet elbow]

hm what's that? Never heard of this

[mental haven]

New capital: Vladivostok

[scarlet elbow]

No Novosibirsk should be the capital man)

[mental haven]

It’s this gov that lasted from January to October in 1918

[cunning owl]

longer than my relationship

[scarlet elbow]

Didn't get to it in school yet

[bitter stump]

Bruh, ukrianian TV is teaching ukrianians how to ddos Russian banks

[mental haven]

Move the capital to omsk immediately

[limber vault]

Omsk

[whole gale]

Reminds me, fuck stalin. They should have shot him as soon as possible. Would have saved a ton of pain and suffering

[limber vault]

Beria was even worse

[cunning owl]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbmZrzN3WFE

[mental haven]

Beria wasn’t great but his execution was

Beria was straight up a diddler wasn’t he?

[whole gale]

Oh Beria. Glad he cried and sobbed for his life when they shot the fucker

[limber vault]

He used his position to have sex with different women threatening their families and such

[mental haven]

😒

[whole gale]

150 women

[slim acorn]

Oh jeeze.

Ouch.

Thats quite the diddler.

[whole gale]

Drove around Moskow and pretty much forced the women to.. you know. and afterwads they had to accept a flower gift...

Can they deny the gift... technically..

[topaz hedge]

I honestly want a piano duel between him and Putin

[slim acorn]

Eat it, perhaps?

[mental haven]

I think Stalin didn’t let Beria stay around his daughter but I don’t remember where I learned that so prolly not true

[cunning owl]

Didnt he also kill a bunch of girls

[topaz hedge]

That’s how they settle the conflict

[whole gale]

He also asked Stalin to execute 20 thousand Ukranian people

[cunning owl]

They found bodies recently where his house is

[slim acorn]

At that point is it accepting the gift or rejecting it?

[regal fjord]

😳

[cunning owl]

If you accept the gift then you "consent". If you reject it you'll be arrested and sent to gulag

[mental haven]

Vladivostok is my favorite name for a Russian city, whenever I see it, it always sticks out to me

[whole gale]

If they accepted the gift it would be consentual... if they rejected it. They would disappear

[slim acorn]

But if they ate it?

[limber vault]

I think it would count as accepting

[cunning owl]

idt it was threatening families he was known for, more like promising to free their families

even if said family was long executed

[slim acorn]

Id think that too

[mental haven]

Part of why I’m (slowly and poorly) learning Russian is because I want to understand any documents I come across from past periods since it’s kinda like a “standard” language

[cunning owl]

Ok.

[slim acorn]

Russian is hard

[mental haven]

For now whenever I find a document I just have to take the translators word for it

[slim acorn]

Relatively

Im no good with languages

[mental haven]

You’re speaking one right now

[regal fjord]

Whats a language

[limber vault]

And EU just sends Ukrainians to fight

[slim acorn]

Other than the one I was born with

Yup

I was born to read childrens stories aloud to anyone at the local library

[mental haven]

I have to admit the US foreign language classes suck a lot at least where I went to school

[slim acorn]

Mhm

Not a lot of optiona

[whole gale]

Language is not real, its just a bunch of noises and scribbles people pretend is real

kekw

[slim acorn]

Wait what the duck

How do you know that

Were you the doctor

[regal fjord]

Lmao

[slim acorn]

Gods almighty

[mental haven]

Our options were either French, German, or spanish, and we were lucky if the teacher actually spoke the language fluently lol

[slim acorn]

Jefferson, it is you!

Its been too long

[slim acorn]

Indeed

My spanish teacher was a track coach

[mental haven]

😢

[slim acorn]

Yes it fucking does

[cunning owl]

https://twitter.com/ivanastradner/status/1498133818938740740

Ivana Stradner 🇺🇦 (@ivanastradner)

The Russian Embassy in Bosnia has accused the U.S. of establishing bio labs in Ukraine in order to study methods on how to destroy the Russian people.

Yes, sadly this is 🇷🇺 official statement. https://t.co/9naXZJ5djE

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Twitter · Feb 28, 2022, 3:11 AM

[slim acorn]

Mas o menos

[cunning owl]

any russians here able to translate

[mental haven]

One of my language teachers was a 93 year old man named Kaiser

[whole gale]

That aint Russian.

[slim acorn]

You chose German?

[limber vault]

Not Russian

[cunning owl]

hmm

is it bosnian

[whole gale]

Looks like a balkan language

[mental haven]

Yep I was pretty into the idea of learning german. It’s a shame I have the german level of a pit bull terrier

[slim acorn]

They didnt even have that where I went

French or Spanish, all you got

[limber vault]

Imagine being monolingual

[mental haven]

Are you in a southern state?

[slim acorn]

…no

[cunning owl]

hah 42 days worth of anime ensures my position as a quad-lingual

[slim acorn]

My environment required(~) that I know spanish

Which I failed to learn

[limber vault]

Definitely not me

[whole gale]

The pronunciation depends on the historical roots. Both referring to the Roman Title and name of Caesar

[cunning owl]

I wanted to take chinese cause the class was easier but my parents made me take spanish

[mental haven]

there’s really not any local teachers I can practice with for the language I’m learning now so I guess I’ll be practicing with foreign news guys pronunciation of things

[slim acorn]

Good enough

[indigo spade]

Funni

[slim acorn]

That flavien dude is optimistic

[cunning owl]

repost but relevant

[scarlet elbow]

my mother

[mental haven]

God there’s a ducking anime version already

[cunning owl]

Javelin-chan

[slim acorn]

Ungodly

Kill it, now!

[whole gale]

When learning another language remember that grammar is barely required to be usable with native speakers. If you are able to get mostly in the ballpark they should be able to figure out what you meant

[cunning owl]

https://tenor.com/view/kenja-no-mago-shin-wolford-i-wont-let-you-gif-14017774

[scarlet elbow]

no my ukrainian friend liked it

[indigo spade]

The size comparison tho

[mental haven]

It’s gonna be really embarrassing though

[slim acorn]

But most likely wont be able to help making extensive fun of your lack of knowledge

[boreal dock]

https://twitter.com/DefenceHQ/status/1498191541675958273?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1498191541675958273|twgr^|twcon^s1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Fworld%2Flive%2F2022%2Ffeb%2F28%2Frussia-ukraine-war-latest-news-update-conflict-belarus-putin-nuclear-deterrence-order-kyiv-russian-invasion-live-updates

Ministry of Defence 🇬🇧 (@DefenceHQ)

Latest Defence Intelligence update on Ukraine https://t.co/6WoxBkatNt

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Twitter · Feb 28, 2022, 7:01 AM

[slim acorn]

Depending on where you are

[scarlet elbow]

yes, especially in russian

[mental haven]

Damn bruh that doesn’t help

[whole gale]

People are more likely to be impressed you speak multiple languages than laugh down at you

[mental haven]

But made me chuckle

[slim acorn]

I like your tone

[scarlet elbow]

can agree, people usually think no russian can speak english

[limber vault]

That's scale is wrong though,look at Iceland being the size if north America lol

[slim acorn]

I guess I have no excuse to not learn another lanuage

Besides being stuck in the pocket dimension known as the public school system

[mental haven]

Looks like Mercator projection or gall peters or some shit

[scarlet elbow]

as in not broken english

[indigo spade]

Seems right to me

[limber vault]

I disagree

[scarlet elbow]

But actually, majority of russians don't have enough english knowledge to speak at all, only to pronounce and read some most often words

[regal fjord]

Me, after Vladivostok is destroyed in the first wave of NATO's retaliatory nuclear strikes

[slim acorn]

Greenland is morphed weirdly

[indigo spade]

"fuk u amerika"

[mental haven]

What is the Wyoming of Russia

[slim acorn]

Because its on the edge of the oval of which a Mercator map is placed within

[whole gale]

Older folk wont but the youth are likely to speak usable level of english.

[scarlet elbow]

what is wyoming

[indigo spade]

It's about 1:1 with Google maps

[mental haven]

Wyoming is one of our states that everyone jokes doesn’t exist

[scarlet elbow]

well, not really-

[slim acorn]

Aeh

Okay

[scarlet elbow]

Мухосранск then maybe xD

[cunning owl]

Nebraska doesnt exist either

[regal fjord]

Actually false

[slim acorn]

Everything youve been taught is a lie

Its all Ohio

[mental haven]

Mukosransk? Where’s that?

[cunning owl]

it's a government hoax to conceal the fact that all our corn comes from Elven slave labor

[scarlet elbow]

Idfk

[mental haven]

It doesn’t exist!

[scarlet elbow]

xD

Muho is "fly" and sransk is something like "shit" or "shitting"

soo quite a good city name

[slim acorn]

Flying shit

[cunning owl]

all I know is cyka

[scarlet elbow]

no as in the animal fly

[cunning owl]

blyat

[slim acorn]

Oh, that makes more sense

[mental haven]

That’s a great city name

[scarlet elbow]

you should also learn ebanniy pizdec!

[indigo spade]

I'm guessing on earth

[slim acorn]

I thought that meant the people there coexist with monkeys or something

[cunning owl]

A guy in my boy scout group had parents who escaped USSR

[mental haven]

The city of fly and poop

[cunning owl]

he taught me a couple curse words

[limber vault]

It's an old joke consisting of two parts (fly as an insect, and shit)

[regal fjord]

Overwhelming majority of the kids genuinely skip their english school lessons. As a matter of fact, I've known two girls that kept skipping their english in the fucking university while being on the third year of international relationships. They were staying in the university purely by begging their professor to give them a passing grade every exam week (and probably sucking his cock, but I wasn't a witness to that part thanks god)

[cunning owl]

what does it mean

[scarlet elbow]

fucking shit or something like that

[cunning owl]

oooh nice