road to 200k messages

[novel harbor]

likely going to do raya to sanchez tho becuz i just can’t ignore chelsea early fixture

and then just keeping 0.5m itb

incase i need it

[marsh palm]

When r u gonna bench boost

U aren’t thinking about getting it off early?

[novel harbor]

probs bb2 but i havent fully decided

the data basically shows expensive defenders from dominant teams are efficiency traps

but unfortunately its not great data imo becuz of issues i brought up yesterday but its pretty much the best we're gonna get

[latent depot]

Andy dropped his new draft

[marsh palm]

All of a sudden this looks really good to me

[novel harbor]

hes right tbh bruno owners will soar

[marsh palm]

Wow i’m seriously contemplating this

[novel harbor]

predicting a @latent depot bruno turn in approx. 3-5 days

[latent depot]

0% chance

[novel harbor]

this looks good

is it bb1?

[latent depot]

9.0 is Watkins vs Bruno, so unless Watkins is sold, I'm not even thinking about it

[marsh palm]

Or Salah and Bowen become Haaland and Wirtz

[marsh palm]

Yeah I think that’s the plan

[latent depot]

forwards are dead, so Watkins is necessary

[novel harbor]

oh do u not own wirtz?

[marsh palm]

It’s only my first season so an early BB probably lets me focus on preserving my team for a WC13

[latent depot]

Back to this

[marsh palm]

TC is always flexible and FH probably comes match day 2 or 6

[novel harbor]

ahh

i like that

christie

almost forgot about him

did he lose mins towards end of bmouth season?

[marsh palm]

Do you like this or Haaland and Wirtz for Salah and Bowen more @novel harbor

[latent depot]

he had a groin injury

[novel harbor]

brain goes haaland and wirtz but

its salah

[latent depot]

Bournemouth have Cook/Christie/Adams/Scott for 2 spots in CM/DM, but Cook is injured. Only Cook was nailed, with Christie/Adams beside him, Scott is returning from long term injury

[marsh palm]

Me too

I think Haaland is the move now tho

Attack his early fixtures and have cover for Liverpool in Wirtz

[novel harbor]

christie's dc stats look great defo going unnoticed

[latent depot]

Christie takes some corners as well

he's poundland Anderson

anyway, MCL injury for Cook, no return schedule

[novel harbor]

you still think xhaka is clear?

[latent depot]

yeah, Xhaka is nailed, will get the odd assist from deep, takes long shots

prob CBRIT monster

Whoscored says Xhaka averages 4.5 CBITs per game for his career

should get a ton of BRs to go with that

oh wait, Christie is still recovering from groin surgery

[novel harbor]

oh

wait wat

thats low

[latent depot]

remember midfielders are CBITs + ball recoveries

he's playing for Sunderland, bro's going to average 6 CBITs and 10 BRs

[novel harbor]

oh ye

[latent depot]

and prob 1 YC per 3 games, but we pretend that's not a thing

[novel harbor]

ball recoveries = retentions right

[latent depot]

errr, ball gets kicked towards Xhaka, he gets it back, yeah, something like that

anyway, doesn't matter, Christie is dead, I'm getting Anderson

[novel harbor]

😭

https://www.statmuse.com/fc/ask?q=most+ball+recoveries+24%2F25&l=bundesliga

[latent depot]

apparently King at 4.5 is starting for Fulham

[novel harbor]

5.42 recoveries per game for xhaka

nice

so around 10 CBITR per game

going into different role for sunderland

[novel harbor]

less team possession than at leverkusen should boost this a decent bit

doubt he gets rotated much

should be great

[latent depot]

nailed until suspended

[novel harbor]

yep

[little delta]

so what happened to gakpo 😂

[novel harbor]

rodrygo potentially coming

[latent depot]

Rodrygo rumours

if no Rodrygo, I go for Sanchez/VDV/Gakpo over Raya/VVD/Anderson

the 5.5 mid spot quite nice tho, can go Anderson -> Hilson for GW4

or if Malen nails down that wing

[prime plinth]

I mean wirtz is #10 for the best team and best attacking team as one of the best #10s itw

Triple forest is based on fixture value and dc point chances and set piece goal threat

[latent depot]

I don't mind triple Forest defence if you intend to WC4

[prime plinth]

Nah

[latent depot]

the idea being all 3 Forest defenders have really good odds to get DCs GW1-3, but those odds go down GW4-6

[prime plinth]

The points lost for one bad fixture in 6 gws is fine

Esp with 2 palace defenders

[prime plinth]

Sunderland and West ham 4-5 no?. Take that chance

Gabriel has utd away and Liverpool first 3 with no dc value

[novel harbor]

murillo is feasting against sunderland

[latent depot]

Murrilo 1/6 Milenkovic 1/6 Neco 1/5 DC points vs the 3x relegated teams last season, so lower ceiling on a clean sheet

[prime plinth]

Hasn't played in preseason

[prime plinth]

That is too small a sample

[latent depot]

bro, that's the entire relevant sample

[prime plinth]

Dc pts don't matter if they cs

[novel harbor]

67% of cs with defcon points for murillo

[novel harbor]

ofc they do

10.8 average cbit when cs

[prime plinth]

Bruh Gabriel gets none and everyone has him for bad fixtures

[latent depot]

the point is that GW1-3, your 3x Forest have a floor of 3-4 points, ceiling of 8 points without attacking return

[cedar hull]

@latent depot have you looked into ekitike assuming isak doesn't join?

[novel harbor]

so

[latent depot]

GW4-6 they have floor of 1-2 points, 6 points without attacking return

[novel harbor]

gabriel is bad value regardless

[prime plinth]

1 bad fixture in 6 unless we calling west ham and Sunderland good attacks

[latent depot]

no, 8.5 is a weird price point

forwards are dead

[prime plinth]

Imma take that chance

[latent depot]

what

no, you're misunderstanding

[prime plinth]

Milenkovic scored 5 goals

[latent depot]

I don't care tho

you do you

also Ekitike could easily be Nunez 2.0

[prime plinth]

No, I'm saying triple forest has the dc and cs 1-3. Solid cs chances in 5-6. Gw4 can bench 2

Move saka gw3 ofc

Just for the Leeds and utd games

[latent depot]

didn't you do something similar last season

[prime plinth]

I had double forest defense on wc6-25

24*

Got neco after 24

[latent depot]

I don't get why you think 2x Forest + Tark is so much worse than 3x Forest

much more flexible

[prime plinth]

I never said that

[latent depot]

then why are you 3x Forest

[prime plinth]

Neco is .5 cheaper so that is the draft

[latent depot]

I'd argue it's better

[prime plinth]

I prefer milenkovic and murrilo to tark

Also no branthwaite so cs odds are maybe worse

[latent depot]

can't find the 0.5

[prime plinth]

Would have to be tiel down

Which is fine. Idk if tark is the answer if brantwaite is out

[latent depot]

Tielemans to 5.5 is clear

[novel harbor]

whats the tiele hype?

[latent depot]

might have pens

underwhelming CBRITs

[novel harbor]

probs the most disappointing profile for a midfielder in the game for me rn

[prime plinth]

He just solid at the price. He got decent xgi and assists

[valid river]

Just get 1m for Rogers

[novel harbor]

but theres better at the price?

and around the price

[valid river]

Or save 0.5 for an Anderson

[prime plinth]

That means saka to Watkins

[latent depot]

5.5+5.5 > 6.0+5.0 mid+def

[prime plinth]

Neco could outscore tark without branthwaite

[novel harbor]

stats say otherwise

[prime plinth]

Also Everton away fixtures for the better fixtures

[valid river]

This sounds like an upgrade

[valid river]

I have Neco, Murillo and Tark

[prime plinth]

Watkins overrated atp

[valid river]

Saka is worth 9

Not 10

[latent depot]

Tark gets 12-13 clean sheets worth of DC points per season, it's not that deap

[novel harbor]

no

[prime plinth]

They play Newcastle and palace. Saka plays utd and leeds first 2

[novel harbor]

agreed

9.5*

[valid river]

Would u prefer triple NFO or Tarkovski, Murillo, Neco

[prime plinth]

He also ended in the 140s still

[quick dawn]

saka is underrated, i kinda think he will outperform palmer

[latent depot]

would try very hard to find 0.5 for Milenkovic tbh

[novel harbor]

could do overall just talking opening fixtures

[latent depot]

but if can't find 0.5, I'd take Tark/Murillo/Neco

[prime plinth]

Neco numbers per 90 which he has been getting more is good for cbit and they have better fixtures and cs chances

Isn't that clear cut

[valid river]

Here u are lad

[latent depot]

if he's playing 90, he's also getting 10 YCs per season 🤷

[valid river]

Interesting

You are not a Neco fan?

[latent depot]

nope

[prime plinth]

Tark is also getting less cs if branthwaite isn't playing

Still worth 2 more pts than dc

[latent depot]

Neco is fine, I'd even call him 2nd best 5.0 behind Lacroix

[valid river]

I am a Neco fan

Best given fix

And I think Neco > Milken due to money

[latent depot]

Tyghe I don't have anything else to say, I'm going to drop this, your mind is made up, go for it

[valid river]

What is he set on

[latent depot]

triple forest defence

[valid river]

Oh I mean

No Anderson or Wood

Sure

[prime plinth]

Tiel can go anyway. I was hoping to find out more of malen's role

[prime plinth]

Bringing up valid points?

[valid river]

Just go Anderson and shut up shop

[quick dawn]

i like it but the mids seem kinda cheap

[prime plinth]

Neco got dc 9 in 19 90s no?

[quick dawn]

i guess its since i play 442 and good mids

[valid river]

Yup but that's okay, I'm FH4, wc7

[latent depot]

you do you, I told you, I don't care

[novel harbor]

im pretty sure neco needs like 0.5 VAPM to match milenkovic's value or something

[quick dawn]

you have 0 pool and i have triple lol

[valid river]

Vamp?

Vapm?*

[quick dawn]

tbh i do kinda want the forest double

i have virgil lacroix tark murillo

[latent depot]

yeah double is nice as long as you have some plan for GW4

[valid river]

FH

😎

[humble dust]

same

[prime plinth]

Saying my mind is made up for bringing up counter points is just deflecting from the differences in thought. Tiel can go. That isn't a question

[valid river]

What's vapm btw

Value added per batch

[quick dawn]

i think technically milenk only has like .06 xgi higher than murillo or something

[latent depot]

that's not true

[quick dawn]

but you just know he will score in the first few gws

well from understat

[latent depot]

but does depend on the xGI model that you look at

[quick dawn]

maybe its wrong

[valid river]

Murillo just has 50% more cbit

[novel harbor]

value added per million (per gameweek)

think neco needs 0.524

[valid river]

Oh okay

[latent depot]

Neco and Milenkovic have about the same chance of DCs in GW1-3, Murillo is clear tho

[valid river]

I don't have an understanding of if 0.524 is high or low

[prime plinth]

If branthwaite was back gw1. I'd be locked on tark

[valid river]

I wish I could triple forest

You might actually convince me

[prime plinth]

Doesn't neco's vary on minutes

[cedar hull]

5.1 xgi Vs 2.6

[valid river]

But Tark is so nice and I trust moyes

[prime plinth]

Cause his cbit per 90 is higher than Milenkovic

[valid river]

Neco mins are locked

[quick dawn]

2.5 xgi diff is like a goal every 14 games?

[latent depot]

neco played 90 in all those games

now you're going to tell me small sample size because it doesn't fit your confirmation bias

[valid river]

That's crazy good %s

Wtf

[cedar hull]

1.4 xg Vs 4

[valid river]

Don't count gw4

What's the stats

[marsh palm]

Class

[valid river]

Oh I can read

[prime plinth]

Bro... if neco has 9 or 8 and one has 10 and 11 in a game. Obviously it is going to be a different outcome every game

[marsh palm]

1 or 2 lads

[valid river]

5/6 Murillo 🔥

[quick dawn]

we are gonna have 9 dcs so often

[prime plinth]

Same teams new season new circumstances. That is why you can't go beyond using that season and data as a guide. Even with that said. The comparison is tark or .5 and neco considering the idea of branthwaite out

[quick dawn]

what if the players try to boost the cbit for fpl

[marsh palm]

Figured 1 was the better option

[cedar hull]

Both have verbruggen so imma say neither

[marsh palm]

Who’s a better 4.5 for a BB1?

[quick dawn]

probably 1

[marsh palm]

Areola?

[valid river]

I wish I had 4 NFO slots

For triple defense and Wood

[marsh palm]

U don’t like Anderson yourself?

[latent depot]

na, 3 is enough, double you can hide on the bench for Arsenal

[cedar hull]

I love review man, picking players they dont like because they get told to put them in

[valid river]

I'm free hit

[prime plinth]

I'm not saying it has to be triple forest. Only discussion was why neco was in and tark was not. Munoz could go in and I'd be fine to do that with the right team

[marsh palm]

High defcon guy with attacking upside with Elanga

[latent depot]

Anderson looks really good to get DC points every game GW1-3

[valid river]

Yes I'd believe it

[marsh palm]

@cedar hull

[valid river]

But do you want to use a nfo slot on 4/5 points

[prime plinth]

Anderson should tick along well

Definitely a consideration

[cedar hull]

Dubravka probably going Burnley or smth but I don't like BB1 anyway

[marsh palm]

If Solanke plays yes please

[valid river]

Wait NFO Anderson or Fulham

[quick dawn]

andersen is fine as an enabler for like more premiums

[marsh palm]

NFO

Anderson

[latent depot]

Anderson is a placeholder for Harry Wilson GW4 or Malen if he nails down a starting spot

hoping for 13 points GW1-3, which would be great for 5.5

[marsh palm]

Mostly Malen for me but yeah

[valid river]

Triple nottingham defense works well if you fh4

[prime plinth]

Reinildo could be a beast

[quick dawn]

cristiano reinildo

i could wc4

if i go haaland and salah hauls every week

[valid river]

Why

NFO have the related sides in 56

[prime plinth]

Like it is Sunderland but should mean dc. Main issue is i got no idea if he gets pure 90s

[latent depot]

also if Eze gets sold, GW4 will have a 5.0 Palace midfielder at CAM

[quick dawn]

haaland and salah must have similar expected points right

[prime plinth]

Also Sunderland players getting those -1s

Anderson also had 10 ycs

[valid river]

My goat

Love Anderson

So theoretically if triple NFO defense is a thing. It could lead to the best or worst start ever

0 CS and ur f'd

[latent depot]

yeah just hoping Anderson gets 5/4/4 and get away without a YC or 1 YC if 2 clean sheets

[quick dawn]

i dont even have double def

[latent depot]

then he's out of my squad

[valid river]

Imagine you have triple NFO defense and they keep 3/4 CS in the first 6

Brent, whu, Sunderland, Burnley

[latent depot]

then everyone buys them and you sell, then Europe catches up with their small squad

[valid river]

Yes

I'm dropping all on WC 8

WC7*"

That sounds very good

Or they keep 0 clean sheets and I quit fpl

And if that happens my team will also be mudded

So I might quit football

And then we get relegated

[slim bane]

Forest?

They’ve scored 1 goal in 5 games

[valid river]

Okay

Like

[marsh palm]

I said his offensive role is increased

[valid river]

It was wood

[marsh palm]

He’s the main set piece taker

[quick dawn]

would you get double forest def over virgil

[marsh palm]

Yeah because Virgil isn’t really worth his price

[prime plinth]

Cold

[marsh palm]

Someone like Tark has a higher ceiling at a cheaper price

[prime plinth]

Rodon goal dc and cs gw1

Vvd would've been at 160+

He's decent. Just weird fixtures

Bournemouth and Newcastle are pretty bad

Maybe dc is solid

[quick dawn]

rodon certainly is a cold pick

[marsh palm]

i’m only scared on a triple Forest for me

But individually I’m satisfied with every pick here

[prime plinth]

Only for the 1st gw and he going to get dc pts. Should have some set piece threat and cs chance

[quick dawn]

mids are all strong though

[marsh palm]

If I really didn’t want triple forest Anderson becomes Malen

[prime plinth]

Allows me to have that 6 in attack

[slim bane]

Salah v Haaland debate gonna be strong

Problem is city don’t have many preseason games

[marsh palm]

Ndiaye can become Rice to pivot to Arsenal gw2

[prime plinth]

Can move saka in gw3 to fund whoever i want

[marsh palm]

And then you have collateral

[prime plinth]

Neco to lacroix in gw4

[prime plinth]

Salah

Just go salah

I would know

I seen some say haaland and wc4

I'll probably try fh6

Idk though

Wc4 strategy probably uses that well

Wc7 no fh Is fine. Maybe transfer in haaland in 6

[quick dawn]

if i go haaland i can also just use 2 fts

haaland wirtz > salah solanke or mateta or whoever

also u get to have wirtz and gakpo

[slim bane]

I do

[quick dawn]

the question is whether salah bad fix beats haaland good fix

[novel harbor]

on the neco train

[latent depot]

everyone needs double Liverpool attack

just realised today that both of Bournemouth's starting pivots are injured

[slim bane]

Triple

[latent depot]

along with all the defensive changes

[novel harbor]

well duh

[slim bane]

It’s a matter of when I want to use my chips

[novel harbor]

was always gonna be a given

[latent depot]

Wirtz vs Watkins

[cedar hull]

Neither on pens

So wirtz

[novel harbor]

no solanke

again

[latent depot]

calm, Solanke news broke yesterday

if he plays 45 and 60 last 2 games, he's ok

[wanton whale]

Watkins

[latent depot]

I like how triple Liverpool Mids almost covers VVD for clean sheet points

[cedar hull]

Didn't even consider that lol

[fleet oracle]

Salah wirtz gapko surely the only combination you would consider?

[violet temple]

no1s considering triple pool mids

[novel harbor]

ye

myb ekitike

but 8.5m forward is a funny price

[latent depot]

I got spooked by Rodrygo rumours, but I'm back on triple mids

[slim bane]

What

I’m on triple rn

[latent depot]

reminder

[cedar hull]

There's been no concrete Rodrygo news fwiw

[latent depot]

is Rodrygo twerking for a contract

[novel harbor]

bookies seem to think rodrygo stays at madrid tbf

[cedar hull]

Nah

[violet temple]

Bruddaaaaa

[slim bane]

Defo you’d want triple pool

They’re one of the best in the league

[violet temple]

Triple pool mids

Is not something id be considering boss

[slim bane]

but defensively they aren’t great compared to ars for CS or the other teams for defcon

And they’re expensive

So obv you’d just triple mids

[novel harbor]

just have 2 for now they're fixtures r ass

[violet temple]

it's not very obvious when there are guys like palmer and rogers lll

lol*

[latent depot]

clean sheet points after GW3: Gakpo 1, VVD 0

[novel harbor]

owning vvd in 2025

[violet temple]

I don't hate the triple pool idea lol I hate the triple pool mid idea

just dosent make sense when there are so many better mids

[latent depot]

Ekitike meta?!

[cedar hull]

[broken patio]

The answer is Watkins and Bowen

[violet temple]

only if they don't get isak

[latent depot]

Watkins is too spenny

[novel harbor]

if only bowen wasnt a forward 🥀

[broken patio]

Agree but I don't plan on owning Watkins for long

Just a safe pick to start the season

And then he's a cash cow

[latent depot]

dunno, wouldn't pick a 8.5 bowen as a mid

[novel harbor]

same gw1-7

then hes getting wildcarded straight out

[broken patio]

Good, let it out others off

More points for me

[novel harbor]

he'll get points

thats not rly the point

i just dont think hes worth it

considering he probs wont even start up front this season

[broken patio]

Both Bowen and Watkins for me are safe picks to start with who will then both become cash cows

I'll probably move them both on to better (and/or cheaper) forwards

But there so much uncertainty around a lot of the forwards, and these 2 just feel cosy and safe to have in a draft

[novel harbor]

when r u wc

[broken patio]

Probably 13

[novel harbor]

works i guess

villa's fixtures get meh after 7 and bowen's after 12

[broken patio]

No ruling out wc7ishh

[violet temple]

Both are really good picks indeed

[novel harbor]

if u wc7 i take it you keep bowen then

[violet temple]

some of these 7.5s are gonna be crazy gotta figure out which ones

[broken patio]

I have transfers too, don't just have to be sold on wc

[violet temple]

also surely malen starts this mf been insane in pre seasons

[broken patio]

Whole point of big at the back is you won't have to make many transfers there

Can be aggressive with forward transfers

[broken patio]

Yeah, I'm happy to start with Bowen and Watkins and move to whichever 7.5s pop off

[novel harbor]

i disagree personally i think they're just my safe wait and see picks

until the 4.5 cbit warriors come to light

which is why early wc is 100% my plan

[violet temple]

I don't have the funds for that

also I'm thinking of maybe going Rogers + malen

[broken patio]

I didn't, so I made funds

Malen is a v interesting one

[valid river]

How many hours back or forward from now is the price changes usually

Time zones suck

[broken patio]

Like 9 hours ago

Ish

[valid river]

Ok thanks goat

[hollow ermine]

5.5 yeah?

[broken patio]

Yeah

[hollow ermine]

Might go back to lacroix and upgrade ayari to malen for double villa midfield👀

[fathom bison]

This thread will reach 100k messages today

[novel harbor]

rip

[slim bane]

Rogers and Palmer?

[silent jasper]

99597 messages

[earnest torrent]

Lmao about 400 messages away

[slim bane]

I can just about fit both in asw with triple pool mids

[cedar hull]

Palmer Salah gakpo wirtz Rogers

[valid river]

Oml

[silent jasper]

Risky move in case Pool doesnt perform well

[valid river]

I have triple NFO defense in my heart

I'm pretending Tark is a nfo player

[novel harbor]

this one i kind of dont care for

doesnt rly tell us anything useful

[broken patio]

Damn casimero is nearly as good as Salah

[valid river]

Better low-key

Casemiro better than Bruno

[broken patio]

That's pretty fucking cracked

[silent jasper]

Are United asset still a trap despite their good showing in PL summer series

[broken patio]

Hmmmmmm I could lose one of Bowen/Watkins and get wirtz instead

[valid river]

Does this mean Bruno is viable

Bruno only good united asset

[hollow ermine]

Fs Anderson

[hollow ermine]

451?

wtf

[silent jasper]

Saw some people were high on Dorgu because of his CS and assist apparently or something iirc

[valid river]

Yeah if it was FPL he would've gotten 18 points

[fathom bison]

If Bruno plays deeper with cunha and mbeumo in the xi is he still worth

[broken patio]

It's just not worth thinking about imo

[silent jasper]

Maybe not?

[broken patio]

Can easily move to man utd players

But why chance it gw1?

[silent jasper]

United dont get as many pens as other clubs though

[hollow ermine]

Bring back Trent 343

[broken patio]

🤝

[hollow ermine]

Where sarr

Where ayari

I was promised

[silent jasper]

Hmm interesting to have VVD

[hollow ermine]

Oof king

Sleeper

I’m on sarr rn

Could cook under Frank

[novel harbor]

anderson's is great?

[hollow ermine]

I know

But I don’t want him but he’s telling me I should

But I don’t want to listen

[broken patio]

Vvd Neco could be tark Murillo tbf

[novel harbor]

this infographic is rly annoying me tbh like its alot worse than the defender one. with defenders, the range is more compressed. a "bad" game is usually 1-3 points, a "good" game is 6-8 points. so the 4+ point threshold captures most of the meaningful variation. midfielders have so much more volatile scoring

[broken patio]

Idk where I stand on vvd

[novel harbor]

like for more midfielders u dont care about floor at all

thats not gonna make u climb ranks

praying for ceiling distribution

[latent depot]

Neco added

[novel harbor]

im ngl why take anderson's somewhat consistent 4-5 points when you could get a budget attacking mid who might blank 3 weeks then score 12 points?

ik he has some

g/a upside

but im starting to wonder how much

[broken patio]

Damn Virgil wtf

You're meant to be the unicorn pick

[jolly solstice]

Ppm doesn't take into account number of starts right

[latent depot]

didn't take as many shots last year as previous season

[novel harbor]

think it is starts

[latent depot]

father time for Virgil

[novel harbor]

or maybe

above a certain minutes

[broken patio]

I still like vvd

[novel harbor]

whats @latent depot neco's extra game for?

[broken patio]

Especially if later wc

You can just hodl

Play the long game and he'll tick over

[latent depot]

he had 96 mins from 7 subs, deducted 6 app points, rolled it into 1 start

[violet temple]

really good gw 4 onwards especially

[broken patio]

And tark looks great for the first 3-4 so there's an idea of a move there

But booking in a CB to CB transfer from gw1 feels a bit shit

[violet temple]

I'm all for it I like it

[violet temple]

If it gains me points it'll be worth

[broken patio]

It does look really good

Also frees up a Liverpool slot, we could easily see triple Liverpool attack being meta imo

[violet temple]

do we got any news on saka btw?

[broken patio]

Not even thinking about saka anyway ngl

[violet temple]

I am

well if I can't get saka idk who id get that's the real issue

[wanton whale]

arteta gave no real update

[broken patio]

Palmer

[violet temple]

not surprising tbf

[wanton whale]

but he wont play in the next preseason friendly

[violet temple]

also sad tarrega unc

[broken patio]

Palmer looks best for captaincy options

[wanton whale]

hopefully hes fine

[violet temple]

already got palmer lol

[wanton whale]

huh

[humble dust]

that means booking 2 transfers then or wc

[violet temple]

Was looking to run threemium

[slim bane]

I rate it

if Saka wasn’t being such a bum

[broken patio]

Oh damn you have Palmer and Salah?

[marsh chasm]

How should I use 1.5 to improve this team

[violet temple]

Yeah

[broken patio]

Spread funds then lmao

[slim bane]

317 messages

303 to go

302

301

[violet temple]

tbf yeah I could just cap palmer on the 2 fixs salahs a lil cooked on

but who instead of saka lol

I don't like the Liverpool mids if I'm being fr unless we get some clarity gakpo will start

[latent depot]

Looks like mine

[fleet oracle]

Idk if I think triple pool attack will be the way to go. Means that you can’t get into city att and arsenal att, unless you sacrifice palmer or a good def

[slim bane]

Moush is there if you’re desperate

[violet temple]

I don't think it'll be the way either I'll be on 2 tops

[violet temple]

Really do like the look of him

[broken patio]

You just use the Liverpool players as cash cows to move to them

[violet temple]

how's he been preseason?

[slim bane]

And obv you could just sell one of them

[violet temple]

have city even had any games

[slim bane]

City and Chelsea haven’t had open games

[slim bane]

City played a closed door 1-0 win with no keepers

Lewis scored

[carmine arch]

warra bench but i like it

[violet temple]

oh yikes but marmoush was quite good last season asw

so I guess something to think of

[broken patio]

No keepers?

[fleet oracle]

Especially with Liverpool first 3 having Arsenal and Newcastle. Like maybe could see triple pool att come gw4, but not before

[slim bane]

Newc are actually washed tho

Their preseason has been dreadful

[broken patio]

They're not an amazing defence anyway

[little delta]

watkins rogers gw1

[fleet oracle]

They’ve been stripped, but I’d say they’ll try raise their game against us bc of the ekiteke and Isak saga

[violet temple]

malen is one to really watch out for I think he'll start after such an impressive preseason

[little delta]

yeah he is one to watch out for

i also like anderson for 5.5 tho, but it’s a bit boring

[wanton whale]

malen would be great if rogers and watkins didnt exist

[broken patio]

Murillo + Bowen
Vs
Neco + wirtz?

[wanton whale]

murillo bowen

[jolly solstice]

Might downgrade vvd to milen and switch sels to sanchez ngl

[wanton whale]

im not a fan of bowen myself tho

[jolly solstice]

If I wanna do wirtz to gakpo and wood to Watkins

[broken patio]

Or

Neco Ekitike

[slim bane]

i do want gyok for leeds tho

[violet temple]

the isak move probably still happens so idk about that tbh

[wanton whale]

yeah no arsenal for leeds is worrying

like i could go agressive and try and predict who starts lw

idk

[lavish parcel]

Sarr you beauty

I actually don't care what people say, he is in my team

[carmine arch]

fh2

[violet temple]

locked

[slim bane]

🤔

trip pool and trip palace means fh6 locked

[wanton whale]

idk about triple pool attack

[broken patio]

Gyokeres

[silent jasper]

prefer Tark Murillo imo

[broken patio]

Me too, I've swapped

[violet temple]

yeah same

[silent jasper]

nicee

[violet temple]

Looks like a 2 tops

[silent jasper]

same here

[violet temple]

ain't milenkovic better than murillo?

Or do y'all have both

[wanton whale]

one has cbit one has attacking threat

basically higher floor vs higher ceiling

[violet temple]

I swr milenkovic got cbits too?

[broken patio]

So guess which one is meta in this thread

[wanton whale]

not at the level of murillo

[violet temple]

neco

ez

[broken patio]

Murillo is also a bonus magnet too

Milenkovic is awful for bonus

[wanton whale]

murillo 11 pointer for just a cs 🤤

[broken patio]

Murillo can quite easily clean and get 3bps and 2 defcon

11 points vs milenkovic 6

Ofc milenkovic' pros are his attacking returns

[violet temple]

can't milnekovic get the 2 cbit?

[slim bane]

lol

[violet temple]

what was the difference in cbits last season

[broken patio]

Yeah but he doesn't get them anywhere near as often

[lavish parcel]

Less often than murillo

[broken patio]

Hes also shit for bonus

[lavish parcel]

Bro had 7-8 cbit on average

[broken patio]

My guy got 2 bps points all season last season

[violet temple]

hmm

yeah that's bad id rather neco

[humble dust]

26 vs 38

[broken patio]

He's still an S tier pick btw but Murillo is the meta here

[violet temple]

can see why y'all want murillo then

[slim bane]

no funds for that

[wanton whale]

murillo is so low owned rn but he'll rise alot at deadline

[wanton whale]

tbf still over 7m players need to register

[broken patio]

18 Vs 2 on bonus

10.5 Vs 8.4 average CBIT actions per game

[humble dust]

wow

[broken patio]

That's 53% Vs 35% getting defcon points

We can't forget about milenkovic' attacking returns

But, they're harder to predict

And when they end up on extremely similar points..... Easy to just pick Murillo

[carmine arch]

real ones remember that milenkovic haul

[violet temple]

neco is really interesting indeed

[humble dust]

that was crazy variance

neco and mgw vs milenkovic and elanga 💔

[broken patio]

Yeah he's defo viable

On paper Murillo and milenkovic are worth the .5, and a bit more

[violet temple]

Also I don't see tark in that list any reason?

[carmine arch]

lief davis 96th min cs wipe 💔

[broken patio]

Probably because whoever made it is an idiot

[violet temple]

ah ok

[lavish parcel]

Probably wanted to gatekeep him

And Branthwaite

[broken patio]

Here's some other data that has tark on it

[violet temple]

Tarks got the best dc points?

I meant according to the first pic

[lavish parcel]

Yup

[novel harbor]

heres another

[broken patio]

[humble dust]

2 weeks for branthwaite to be fit 🙏

[novel harbor]

branthwaite will be fit

i got told in my dream

[wanton whale]

im still on vvd for now

[lavish parcel]

I rate Collins so much but I am scared to get him

[novel harbor]

hes a wait and see

too much of a gamble at the start

dont know how brentford will size up against teams this season

[broken patio]

Tarkowski is so cracked lmao

[humble dust]

huge

[violet temple]

Woah ain't pinnock cracked too for 4.5

[novel harbor]

wont start

[humble dust]

he wasnt starting end of season

[violet temple]

damn

[broken patio]

Yeah pinnock is very similar to Collins, just overshadowed by Collins 9 attacking returns

[humble dust]

andersen is nice tho

[broken patio]

In previous seasons pinnock has been the main attacking threat though

There's potential there

[novel harbor]

ye low cs potential tho

he got 4 cs last season :/

[humble dust]

horror

[broken patio]

Iirc Fulham were one of the best teams defensively according to stats though

But kept like 5 cleans total

[novel harbor]

tho hes evenly good for cbit if cs or not so

[broken patio]

Kinda systematic of how they play, a lot of these teams that control the ball a lot of the game don't give up many chances on goal, so don't give up that much xga, but when they do give up a chance it's a really good one and they almost always concede

Man city, Brighton other examples of the same thing

Even arsenal at times

[novel harbor]

spurs beating newc 👀

[broken patio]

Fucking hell spurs calm down

[novel harbor]

brennan johnson

ofc

[wanton whale]

wtaf is lets talk fpls newest draft

[broken patio]

Newcastle are basically full strength too

[wanton whale]

its like hes lost 5m of his budget

[novel harbor]

arent his teams always a bit funky?

[broken patio]

Ofc he has Bruno

[carmine arch]

this guy is addicted to bruno

[broken patio]

Strand Larsen and Igor Thiago is just sad

[humble dust]

bruno gooner

[wanton whale]

yeah they never look good icl

[humble dust]

crazy front 2

[carmine arch]

thats a horrid team

[wanton whale]

where tf is his money gone?

[broken patio]

He's also had agbadou in every draft

[wanton whale]

bruno i see

[novel harbor]

good for cbit i think cant remember

[humble dust]

50m in midfield

[wanton whale]

nightmare front 2 jesus

[broken patio]

Yeah and wolves play all 3 premoted teams in the first 10 or so weeks

It's wolves though

[novel harbor]

i have a feeling thats not good for cbit for wolves cb's not 100% sure tho

might check

[broken patio]

Andy spends his time in analcord and still drops a horror draft like that

Don't analcord love Bruno?

[humble dust]

review does

[broken patio]

Same thing

[novel harbor]

just wondering everyone whos going triple villa or double villa no arsenal, im assuming ur all wc 7/8?

[broken patio]

Rn double villa 0 arsenal

Plan is WC13 but could see myself wc7-8 if necessary

[humble dust]

fotmob wilding

[broken patio]

ST

[keen wren]

It’s bc he’s active in analcord

[cedar hull]

I have Murillo at projected 1.23 ppg due to DC and milenkovic is 0.66

Tark is 1.31 fwiw

[fleet oracle]

Do people think thank Sanchez is not going to have multiple Sanchez moments in the first few gws this season, and throw away easy CSs or even lose his place as starting GK?

[violet temple]

so is tark the best defender for cbits?

and they have decent starting fixs

might get him yeah

[slim bane]

branth may be oyut

[little delta]

best premium defs murillo tark vvd?

[slim bane]

thatll affect it

vvd? who

[novel harbor]

yes

[acoustic edge]

review lmfao

[violet temple]

how's gabriel on cbits?

[acoustic edge]

bad

mid but bad

[violet temple]

damn alr

[little delta]

who else

gab is always good for goal threat and clean sheets

[cedar hull]

Tark got 11 extra Cs from cbits

Gab got 1

[violet temple]

11 extra cs sounds quite good tbf

[novel harbor]

its not even review tho so i'd be interested to see what settings he has on

[violet temple]

what about lacroix how many did he get?

[cedar hull]

34

[violet temple]

quite nice too

[acoustic edge]

it’s review adjacent no, sanchez VDV bruno thiago all glazed

[novel harbor]

every tielemans glazer is coming from review tho

[cedar hull]

Plus underperformed xg, hence he should be 5.5

[novel harbor]

the only person there thats review glazed is bruno

i have review

[acoustic edge]

tielemans glazers are horror tbf

[violet temple]

does tiel even have pens that review likes so much

[acoustic edge]

wtf get out of the thread

😭😭😭😭

[novel harbor]

[cedar hull]

Review is spurs + esteve defence + Andersen + Bruno + tielemans and ndiaye

[novel harbor]

i got it for educational purposes

and to see how much they value cbit

[violet temple]

once u have review u dont need anything else ur cooked for life

[cedar hull]

You're literally funding the enemy tf

[novel harbor]

(barely at all)

[violet temple]

vandeven is good tbf

[novel harbor]

they're not backing van de ven

they're backing romero

[violet temple]

They're backing double spurs defence I thought?

[cedar hull]

It loves it for the fix + esteve rotation

[novel harbor]

nah

romero colwill andersen

[zenith jolt]

no

[zenith jolt]

yes

[violet temple]

esteve rotation????

[novel harbor]

esteve is a lock no doubt

should be everyone

[violet temple]

they planning on using esteve?

[zenith jolt]

esteve has 4.1 ev gw2

joke

[violet temple]

no shot

[cedar hull]

Does review not understand they don't have Trafford anymore

[violet temple]

ah well tbf I see it but sunderland got some good signings in

[novel harbor]

hes gonna be used gw2, gw5, gw8, gw14

[cedar hull]

Leeds conceded 10 less xga

[novel harbor]

for their solver

without transfers

[zenith jolt]

they will still be the best promoted def

[novel harbor]

i also hate their transfer recommendations

[violet temple]

might acc play esteve dosent even sound that bad

[novel harbor]

i kind of just hate review altogether

[zenith jolt]

warming to romero now

[novel harbor]

dont

[pale tiger]

barnes gol gordon assist

[violet temple]

wdym don't lol romero isn't bad

[novel harbor]

vdv clear

[cedar hull]

Romero = Collins vdv = pinnock

[novel harbor]

andersen is the only pick from review that i actually rate i think actually

[violet temple]

he's got better attacking threat than vdv if I had 0.5 I'd be there

[zenith jolt]

might prefer .5 on romero over vdv instead of .5 on murillo over neco

[little delta]

newcastle looking shit?

[zenith jolt]

yea kinda

[slim bane]

40 more siu

[broken patio]

We're happily paying .5 more in the same defense for Murillo over Neco, Munoz over lacroix for instance

[novel harbor]

idc about the attacking threat tbh. can calculate the vapm and i'd bet it wouldnt make much of a difference

[slim bane]

https://tenor.com/view/today-yay-gif-25615367

[broken patio]

Saying you don't care about the attacking threat feels like naive

[novel harbor]

i do care about it

i mean romero's

specifically

[violet temple]

I would be doing this too ngl

[zenith jolt]

what are the odds of vdv playing 13 matches gw1-13

[novel harbor]

eitherway a spurs defender wont see my team this season

[zenith jolt]

lower than romeros

[violet temple]

quite high but lower than romeros of course

Romero plays every game fs

[novel harbor]

im still so confused as to why review is backing dalot

[zenith jolt]

he’s a ban

[violet temple]

4.5 and they love united

[zenith jolt]

its bc of mins

[novel harbor]

0 dc last season like

just seems silly

but who knows

[zenith jolt]

it’ll be because of rotation with andersen or something too

it always forces rotation

[novel harbor]

ye thats normal tho

im forcing rotation

to an extent

dalot is still shit

and there are other rotation options

especially for spurs

[lavish parcel]

The vdv- Lacroix rotation dream is dead

[slim bane]

10 more

go on

moreeeee

[novel harbor]

y?

its great

vdv-lacroix-esteve rotation

[lavish parcel]

Lacroix set and forget instead

[novel harbor]

i mean ye but u can still somewhat rotate

we know what games

lacroix does worse in

[lavish parcel]

Yup

[slim bane]

lets gooioo

[lavish parcel]

Gw1 and gw3

[acoustic edge]

proud of us lwk

@keen wren @lone glade @coopdog thoughts?

[humble dust]

cold

[prime plinth]

Scared to know how many i did

[keen wren]

There was once another thread

[prime plinth]

[keen wren]

https://tenor.com/view/remember-when-gif-14612637151641490440

[prime plinth]

Who's coopdog

[keen wren]

Smooth rmt

[prime plinth]

Wait... that's the guys who used to respect top 21 in ucl just to start hating

[zenith jolt]

I’m sure smooth rmt had like 200k messages in a quarter of the time

[prime plinth]

That didn't have the same level of passion

[wanton whale]

This thread getting deleted then?

[slim bane]

[little delta]

road to 1 million messages

[zenith jolt]

Could do with a clearout

[violet temple]

:D

[earnest torrent]

Restart again

[violet temple]

oh 100k done

Cool

[keen wren]

Look at member list

[broken patio]

Where does Munoz sit btw?

[slim bane]

hes right there

[wanton whale]

ill do it dw

[broken patio]

Oh I'm fucking blind

Babe wake up new beef draft just dropped

Sold Bowen for welbz and it has enabled many things

[wanton whale]

7/11

[broken patio]

8/11 if you count lacroix? or no?

[wanton whale]

Nah, lacroix is tempting tho cbit monster

[broken patio]

Lovely midfield 4 that

Might copy

[wanton whale]

i might copy yours first tbh love it

[broken patio]

Watkins gang

[chilly ibex]

what's up with gakpo

[broken patio]

What's not up with gakpo

[chilly ibex]

why is he popular

[broken patio]

Diaz sold gakpo mins go mega stonks

[wanton whale]

first choice lw cheaper than wirtz

[chilly ibex]

ekitike, nunez, wirtz?

[broken patio]

1m cheaper than wirtz

[wanton whale]

none of those are prefered on the left

[broken patio]

If wirtz bangs though he will be a bit tricky to get to, I guess we have to use Watkins as a cash cow

[chilly ibex]

might go with 442 haaland and muniz up front

[earnest torrent]

Why not both?

[chilly ibex]

ngl i might take isak out of the team

[wanton whale]

Gakpo is not popular

[chilly ibex]

i don't understan i thought liverpool signed wirtz so he can play lw

[slim bane]

??

[chilly ibex]

they dropping szobo just like that

[wanton whale]

wirtz is not a lw lmao

szobo can play deeper

[broken patio]

Yeah viable, like I could drop Watkins and go wirtz instead for instance. Play 451 over 442. Not having that striker spot could be painful though if some good fwds emerge

Equally though not having wirtz could be painful, tough one

I think I'd rather start with Watkins and can always do that switch to get wirtz

[acoustic edge]

thistbh

[obtuse shoal]

For me it’s now between Watkins or saka.

[broken patio]

Watkins easily

[lavish parcel]

Pras video meta

[broken patio]

Saka isn't the best captain in any given week apart from gw2 and gw7

But

Cap Salah gw2 Vs Newcastle since they look DOG

[lavish parcel]

I saw it last night and decided FH6 and WC13

[broken patio]

and all of a sudden why do you need saka?

Not gonna need him until gw7 and even then Watkins you could cap Vs Burnley lol

[lavish parcel]

Also could shift to Gyokeres if he's banging coals

[chilly ibex]

neco or murillo

[lavish parcel]

Murillo fam

[broken patio]

Murillo is just better

But if you need .5 and there's nowhere else to get it then Neco is viable for sure

[zenith jolt]

Not touching saka until pens is cleared up

[broken patio]

Yeah there's just no need for him

You don't need him for captaincy, there's pens debates and injury concerns

[lone glade]

Murillo

[broken patio]

Watkins 442 Vs wirtz 451?

Only forward in the 451 would be welbeck

[zenith jolt]

going no forwards is brave

[lavish parcel]

Watkins and Wirtz with 451 or 442

Just get both

[broken patio]

Annoyingly that is doable

[lavish parcel]

Set and forget meta

I don't think except for rogers I'll need to use a FT

Mateta could end up being rogers in a 451 ngl

Or gakpo

[latent depot]

Set and forget meta wouldn't have Salah for obv reasons

[lavish parcel]

I mean I am WC13

Set and forget until then

[broken patio]

I want the Liverpool mids triple up uhh

[lavish parcel]

Just need Liverpool to fumble Rodrygo deal

Mateta will 100% turn into Gakpo

[broken patio]

Then you could turn Anderson into a 6.0 too

Rutter stonks

[lavish parcel]

I actually like Anderson ngl

If he gets me like 42-45 points in first 12, good value

That's almost like having a 7.5m striker

[broken patio]

He just doesn't feel great to be playing every week when you're already playing with only 6 attackers compared to the usual 7

[slim bane]

this is my team but murillo raya anderson over vdv kelleher gak

[broken patio]

Feels like then you're only really then playing with 5 lol

[lavish parcel]

Low-key That's fine to me

Munoz could be my 6th attacker

[lavish parcel]

Bro plays RM anyways

[broken patio]

I'm seeing the vision

[lavish parcel]

Actually goated

[broken patio]

It's not bad

I hate the 4.5 keeper and 0 bench but it's what you have to do to afford that

Could go Neco 5.0gk over Murillo 4.5 I guess ?

[lavish parcel]

If I unpick Raya for 4.5m, I can upgrade Anderson to Rogers but I don't think it's worth it

[humble dust]

best RW in the league + Salah

[broken patio]

I come back to the fact that the keepers always have the smaller difference of points between price points

[broken patio]

But I still hate the 4.5s lol

[lavish parcel]

Not atleast until gw5

[chilly ibex]

is solanke injured

[broken patio]

Kinda

[lavish parcel]

Why are we all low-key having almost same

I love it

[slim bane]

this is the 100k msgs meta

[chilly ibex]

why is wirtz so popular

[slim bane]

hivemind and echo chamber will do that

[slim bane]

its pool

alr has 1g 2a in preseason

[broken patio]

I don't really know but I'm scared to not own him

Wirtz scores gw1 and he's 8.7 by gw2

[lavish parcel]

His xgi in every competition was pretty good last season

[wanton whale]

i cant wait for after all this planning for my team to be outscored by a JP, anderson ait nouri draft made in 5 mins

[chilly ibex]

i see he is 35% owned

[lavish parcel]

He also banged in nation's league I think

[latent depot]

VDV didn't start today

[marsh chasm]

Who’s the best 7.5 forward

[chilly ibex]

muniz

[wanton whale]

https://tenor.com/view/nyet967100-jean-philippe-mateta-phatearl-crystal-palace-gif-7260117091681771051

[chilly ibex]

jk

[lavish parcel]

Bro the dream is dead 😭

[chilly ibex]

its pre season bro

[lavish parcel]

Gakpo

[broken patio]

Gakpo

[violet temple]

Yeah lol wouldn't worry about that one bit

we even started Ben davies!

[chilly ibex]

Gakpo

[lavish parcel]

Romero almost lost his head

That sums up

[broken patio]

Danso got an assist too

[lavish parcel]

I think Porro is the only one that stands out ngl

But too many better 5.5m def

[zealous forum]

@slim bane

Bro I'm late

CBA scrolling

[lavish parcel]

#1222505315778433085 Hungary GP time

[zealous forum]

Checked earlier and still 99k

[quick dawn]

gordon overlooked?

can move off gakpo to him if not nailed after a few gws

or eze