road to 200k messages

[wanton whale]

what

[cerulean cape]

My comment stands

[wanton whale]

who are the spies?

[cerulean cape]

Me

[wanton whale]

im confused aha

[cedar hull]

VAPM 1000+ Minutes outfield players only, position changes in effect, will add new players and keepers later.

any mistakes just lmk

[west marsh]

Think Collins is missing, can’t see him

[marsh chasm]

What is vapm?

[west marsh]

Might be excel being broken, can’t seem to search anyone

[west marsh]

Value added per match or something

[cedar hull]

Value added per million

Anything above 0.4 is great

[cedar hull]

0.437

[west marsh]

Ty

I’ll try again in the morning when excel wants to work

[twin ice]

well this is good, there's an obvious 1st and 2nd team

[supple steeple]

LMAO I love it

keeping VAPM alive <3

[slim bane]

I used to restrict to 1260 I think (min 14 matches) unless special cases (injury/late transfer)

Cos there’s many players around 1k

Save myself some work

[obtuse shoal]

Richards is a cheap option as well.

[jolly solstice]

This is excluding Defcon points right

[latent depot]

He added DC

[lavish parcel]

I am feeling brave on Saka + Jimenez for gw1-2 and then switch to Eze and Watkins gw3

Or should I just start with Eze and Watkins instead

[latent depot]

I've been looking at Saka GW1-2 plays, but I'm not sure it's worth the FTs

[lavish parcel]

Jimenez plays Brighton and utd

Both were among the lowest for xga

[latent depot]

I also don't like the idea of spending 10.0 on an attacker without pens

[lavish parcel]

Saka no more pens?

[latent depot]

Announce Gyokeres

[pulsar chasm]

we don’t know that

[latent depot]

Odegaard already took a pen in preseason and they're signing a player who scored 19/19 pens last season

[lavish parcel]

Jeez

Saka isn't bad at them tho

[pulsar chasm]

saka wasn’t on the pitch

[latent depot]

Saka has a history of giving pens to other players, can't wait for him to give it to Gyokeres to get him going

That's if they don't just decide among themselves to have Gyokeres take

[lavish parcel]

Honestly if gyokeres gets pen, I could avoid going with Jimenez

And rather find a better forward

[pulsar chasm]

personally can’t see saka giving them up that easy

he’s got a pretty good record himself

[lavish parcel]

Then gyokeres to Watkins when needed

[pulsar chasm]

that pre season penalty means absolutely fuck all though lol

[latent depot]

It's clear that Saka isn't going to take all pens however you want to argue it

[pulsar chasm]

don’t think it’s clear at all

he gives up pity pens

but maybe gyokeres doesn’t need one and saka is still the main taker

[slim bane]

Saka was off the pitch during the pen

Ode was the only one clear to take it

[slim bane]

Definitely this sounds like something that will happen

[latent depot]

Yeah Dooby is coping hard

[pulsar chasm]

not really just don’t think it’s as cut and dry as how you’re making out

i haven’t really made a team to know if i’d have saka/gyok both or neither

would be surprised if an above average penalty taker gave up penalties to someone new automatically

but let’s see

[latent depot]

Would be a show of confidence in him. They need him to score 20 goals

[pulsar chasm]

says who

can show confidence in him without giving him penalties

strange narrative but

[latent depot]

Are you baiting? Happens all the time in sport, you show support in a player by giving him responsibility

[pulsar chasm]

i disagree with you and i’m baiting

you got it man

i think spending however much they did and playing him is responsibility enough but

[latent depot]

Who is this new guy, I'm wasting my time here

[lavish parcel]

We all know arsenal is scoring atleast 5 goals vs utd and Leeds

Only thing is who you think will get most points

[slim bane]

There’s been precedence

Gave it to Havertz

[lavish parcel]

For me it's between gyokeres and Saka

[pulsar chasm]

yeah

just not sure his pen share drops from what it has in the prior 2 years

or however long he’s had pens

[latent depot]

Why do ignored messages still show up as ignored message

What a dumb feature

[pulsar chasm]

announcing you’ve blocked someone

not cringe at all

for disagreeing about arsenal penalties 😭

[lavish parcel]

Saka usually plays 90 mins right?

[slim bane]

Usually yes but he has reliable(?) backup now

Imagine he’ll be protected more

[latent depot]

Yeah Arteta has already given fraudulent interview responses about rotation

[lavish parcel]

So let's say trossard/Martinelli + Gyokeres + Saka front 3

[latent depot]

Who's their RW depth?

[pulsar chasm]

just agree with mcgrr

[slim bane]

please can we not go into the season with only tross and mart

What a black hole

[pulsar chasm]

doesn’t even know madueke is a right winger cold man

[slim bane]

Noni

and then mart and Nwaneri and dowman could play there

[lavish parcel]

Just hoping Gyokeres is cheaper than Saka

[little delta]

gyokeres could be on pens?

if he’s 9m i like him

[quick dawn]

sarr has 0.77 xgi/90?

[latent depot]

Where are you getting that stat? I'm sure it's under 0.7 for the season. Think it's 0.69 since 2nd international break

And that's from Understat, which notoriously double counts xG from consecutive shots in the same sequence

[quick dawn]

yeah understat

[latent depot]

Oh right, I filtered out sub apps

It's 0.67 from starts, 0.69 since IB2

Still, how do you get 0.77 from 0.4+0.33 it actually rounds to 0.72

Silly to use per 90 while including sub cameos

[lavish parcel]

What's the best gw to BB?

If I was BB1, this would be my team ngl

But it seems that the 5FT before the AFCON games will play a big role in using BB around that time

[latent depot]

BB1 is casual af and you can't convince me otherwise

[lavish parcel]

I would see myself using those 5FT for Salah as a cash cow to fill the other spots and BB and then WC clean up the next week

[latent depot]

CCs gaslighting their audience into BB1 is diabolical

[lavish parcel]

Yeah I mean good way to get rid of the casuals early on

CCs always tend to throw out chip videos like crazy early in the season

Not to mention the fact that they also explain some of the awful picks and glaze over preseason bandwagons

[cerulean cape]

They stopped

They realised it was bad

Btw I can't justify gw7 wc as I own watkins

Can't sell before Burnley

[latent depot]

Yeah I'm off planning a WC week

No week jumps out

[cerulean cape]

I dont hate wc8

[shrewd dust]

i’ve seen some people say 13 but that feels a little late when you need to use up transfers before 16

[latent depot]

I'll prob wildcard when I see a strong reason to change out GKs

[cerulean cape]

Yea the window is best for gw13

But that depends on a good start

Can't wait that long if your team is shit

[latent depot]

I see the value in WC1 being changing the bench cos there's plenty enough FTs for the starting squad

[cerulean cape]

13?

[latent depot]

I'm prob Munoz gang, despite fixtures

13 is quite far out, that's basically the same as "when I need it" to me

[cerulean cape]

Munoz is honestly like a 5.5m mid

With cs

Oh wc1

I get ut

[latent depot]

Gabriel's VAPM is comparable to Murrilenkovich btw if he gets close to xG and Arsenal get their usual 16ish clean sheets

That's a few IFs, but none seem unlikely

Doesn't even need to overperform xG

I guess the injury is the problem, and likely more rotation

Also perhaps Gabriel's 0.16xG90 was inflated last season cos Arsenal couldn't score

But set piece coach OP regardless

[cedar hull]

The worst part is FPL don't have the appearance stat, only starts, so had to manually input them all

[lavish parcel]

Gw 13-14-15 are totally the best time to own triple pool and city ngl. I could see myself using atleast 2 chips then

[slim bane]

Ffs

[latent depot]

Tripling on City in December, especially with easy fix that the B-team can beat up, what could go wrong

[lavish parcel]

Ffs I keep forgetting europe games

[latent depot]

Yeah WC13 to target City is hilarious to me

FH13 I can get behind

[lavish parcel]

Prolly should have the important games during that time, matchday 5-6 back to back

In UCL*

[latent depot]

FH13 is great cos you get off Arsenal and Chelsea assets and triple on City

[lavish parcel]

So true

The average gw score might be so high tho

[cedar hull]

Will do wirtz vapm today, any other requests

[latent depot]

But why? You shouldn't use stats from a different league as a benchmark

I wouldn't even use stats from a different PL team for e.g. Cunha

[orchid plank]

basically wc9 fh13 yea

[latent depot]

Wirtz/Gyokeres are an educated punt, nothing more

[cedar hull]

It's not that deep, just doing it out of interest, data will be adjusted anyway

[cerulean cape]

@latent depot fh2 ideas maybe?

Fades arsenal gw1-6

Wc7 or 8

[latent depot]

I don't like it on principle that you have 1 GW of information

Which is also partly my argument against BB1

Big at the back problems. Both Tark and Branthwaite absent, Gabriel with a niggle, so really I'm almost forced into VVD/Munoz/Murrilenkovich and I still have a 5th slot

442 might be the solution, switching to 532 later

[cedar hull]

Collins/lacroix as 5th?

[latent depot]

Would love Lacroix, but doubling up with those fix seems a bit much

Not touching Brentford except FH13

Ayy what's the Arsenal CB depth now? Is there enough quality to rest Gabriel?

[cedar hull]

Kiwior probably

[latent depot]

At one point I had Pickford/Tark/Branthwaite triple up, but until those CBs show up in preseason and Everton stop losing 3-0, I'm on zero

[cerulean cape]

Wait

Obrien has actually played 90 in every moyes game

I'm looking more at wc8

[latent depot]

Is he over 50% on DCs tho?

[cerulean cape]

He got 12 dc points i think

Not sure how many 90s

He didn't play under dyche

[latent depot]

6 in 17 starts

Since Moyes

[cerulean cape]

Milenkovic levels

2 or 3 goals? Also tho

[cedar hull]

Nah it's worse than milenkovic

7 cbit average

20 appearances

[cerulean cape]

Milenkovic was 13 in 38 no?

[cedar hull]

0.35 cbit per start

[latent depot]

2 goals

[cerulean cape]

He is playing rb

I assume you favour lacroix

[cedar hull]

Milenkovic 0.7 DC per start

Double o brien

[cerulean cape]

?

He got 13 only last season

[latent depot]

Milenkovic 0.78 shots per game, O'Brien 0.35

[cedar hull]

26?

[cerulean cape]

13 games

[cedar hull]

Double 13

Yeah hit DC 13 times

[cerulean cape]

Obrien was 6 in 17 which is similar

[cedar hull]

It's DC points per start

[cerulean cape]

More so I might need a 5m def

[latent depot]

Lacroix

Lacroix so clear tbh

[cerulean cape]

First 7 gws tho

[latent depot]

Yeah

[cerulean cape]

I'm almost gonna add waktins to my nailed list

[little delta]

Who’s your other fwds

[cedar hull]

Still don't think palace fix are that bad imo

[cerulean cape]

Tbf 2 cs isn't surpising

[slim bane]

Kiwior and Cala as LCB depth

And Cala is now injured as of yesterday

Not that Gabi will be rested frequently anw when fit

[cerulean cape]

I just really like rogers

[latent depot]

Rogers is decent on VAPM tbf

[slim bane]

Rogersssss

[cerulean cape]

Munoz/vvd vs 5m def/rogers

Depends on solanke fitness also

[latent depot]

Gakpo/Rogers/Semenyo/Sarr are the only mids that I like under 10

[cerulean cape]

However with vvd/munoz i feel like I dont need force wc

[cedar hull]

love how we all ignoring amad at 0.479 vapm

ndiaye at 0.345

[latent depot]

Oh wait, is Guehi leaving or not?

That hits Munoz/Lacroix

[cedar hull]

we dont know

[latent depot]

I'd use this as a starting point and adjust for repeatable events e.g. I did -5 for Pickford cos he isn't saving 2 pens every season. Also, Ederson had 4 assists, which is clearly anomalous. You can reasonably expect Raya to keep 2-3 more clean sheets, and Alisson prob 1-2 more etc.

[cedar hull]

VAPM 1000+ Minutes outfield + keepers

[latent depot]

Guehi played in CP's first preseason game, but absent from the 2nd game. RIP see you at Liverpool

[cerulean cape]

They need guehi more than isak tbh

I do wonder if they want konate to sign first before getting guehi

[cedar hull]

konate probably wont sign though right

[cerulean cape]

If they pay him 200k+

[cedar hull]

liverpool arent the club to do that

hes on like 70k

[slim bane]

If they sign guehi surely they don’t have funds for Isak

Unless the Diaz sale was that good

[cedar hull]

guehi is like 20m

and darwin going for about 50

but yeah still agree

[cerulean cape]

20m?

[latent depot]

Isn't Nunez going as well

[cerulean cape]

They rejected 70m from Newcastle last year

[cedar hull]

last year of contract

[slim bane]

Damn

[cedar hull]

they probably get him for free next year tbh

[cerulean cape]

Mbeumo went for 70m

Last year

[cedar hull]

had an option

[latent depot]

There's always 2026/27

[cedar hull]

mbeumo was basically 2 years

[cerulean cape]

20m no chance lol

[slim bane]

[cerulean cape]

50m I see

[cedar hull]

50m for guehi on last year

[cerulean cape]

If he was 20m, dont you think clubs would have signed already

Especially if Newcastle bid 70m

[cedar hull]

yeah 20 was exaggeration

[cerulean cape]

50m is realistic imo

[cedar hull]

palace want 45 apparently

40 would do it ig

not many reputable sources tho

lot of sources saying 40

[latent depot]

Why does Alex Moreno have 11.6% ownership?

[cedar hull]

people thinking he starts or smth

[cerulean cape]

4.0m with most points last year

Probably

Yes he is

[quick dawn]

Yeah moreno is probably gone and not playing even if he stays

Interesting ones are heaven and hickey

Hickey good player

Heaven starting rn maybe

But they have lots of options

[keen wren]

Where bench

Are u just playing ndiaye every week

[wanton whale]

Haaland is right there?

nah im hoping gyok is cheap

but watkins might have to go

so i can get eze

[keen wren]

ez

[wanton whale]

eze is gonna bang icl

hes still cooking

[keen wren]

u might curse him tbf

[wanton whale]

i owned him gw4 for leicester and mateta scored a brace so maybe

[quick dawn]

Why would you not play ndiaye if you pay 6.5 mil

[keen wren]

So you think iliman ndiaye is fixture proof?

[broken patio]

Lovely backline

[quick dawn]

You shouldnt rotate 6.5 assets

[wanton whale]

think im fading Watkins

[latent depot]

xGI merchant

If RAN starts City's only preseason game, I might go there

[wanton whale]

true

[latent depot]

Not picking any Everton unless both CBs play remaining preseason games and Everton actually look cohesive

Gabriel returning from hamstring surgery kinda short on 5.5/6 defenders

[keen wren]

@wanton whale Don’t disrespect dan james again

[latent depot]

UtIlItY

[wanton whale]

dam james ahead of pool mids fair

[latent depot]

Eze always gets hyped by models

[keen wren]

Rightfully so

[wanton whale]

leeds are so ass tho

[latent depot]

Leeds about to beat Everton at home, it'll be hilarious

[keen wren]

pre season isn’t over but everton have looked abysmal

[latent depot]

That's every preseason

And the last 2 preseasons didn't lie

[wanton whale]

if isak goes pool i might go haaland over salah

[orchid plank]

Can’t even find Wilson

[broken patio]

https://youtu.be/T8VctTX6PeY?si=BeXdm6746cs4UYZf

Watched this video and it's changed my whole view on everything

Thoroughly thoroughly recommend a watch

[broken patio]

Yeah if either tark or branthwaite are out then their defence is shit

I've binned tark for now

And I've also totally come around on Gabriel

[west marsh]

Edersons value has to be inflated from those 4 assists. Wouldn’t rely on his stat much

[latent depot]

That's what I said. Pickford also got an assist as well as 2 pen saves, those are unpredictable. That 15 points vs Newcastle was madness

[broken patio]

So call it just copying that video but I totally get why WC13 and FH6 looks so good, and I think I'm set on that

Which means, if you take GW6 out of the equation

This is the ticker from gw1 until wc1 in 13

And now Gabriel looks great (and gyokeres)

[latent depot]

WC13 is a trap, why would you target Pep Roulette going into December with easy fixtures

FH13 is the play

[broken patio]

They'll be some that are nailed

Or nailed enough to be worth it

When to BB then

I understand BB1 because we can fully set up for it with infinite transfers rn

[orchid plank]

You would be wc9 then?

[broken patio]

But also we don't know who the cheap shitters are who are actually good

[latent depot]

I don't have a WC plan yet

[orchid plank]

if your fh13 then wc9 pretty much goes well

[cedar hull]

i just did the data, you guys can adjust it all you want thats what its there for

[broken patio]

Okay this puts me off petrovic

[little delta]

sels or sanchez for me

[broken patio]

And Everton look poo and if like we said Pickford was inflated last year with pen saves and assists and he might not have a fit tark/branthwaite

Raya makes sense

Sanchez looks like the one from that ticker ngl

Verbruggen

[little delta]

for me sanchez and then murillo/milen or both

[broken patio]

I'm happy to just have 1 forest Def ngl

Fix aren't amazing, some question marks over them, but Murillo looks too good to ignore

[little delta]

Which defs u going for

[broken patio]

Vvd Gabriel Murillo nailed for me I think

4th one is still up in the air, I'd love Munoz but might not be able to afford

Gonna see what happens when gyokeres price revealed BC I really want him

[cedar hull]

Why do you want gyokeres

Just want some perspective that's all

Haven't really considered him

[prime plinth]

Xhaka might cook if he is like 5m

Depends on the role though

[prime plinth]

Idm as a upside play vs Utd and Leeds. Problem with him is I'd want him gone gw3

[latent depot]

GW3 to Wissa at Newcastle

[prime plinth]

Watkins is a better pick and it isn't close

Gyokeres when the fixtures clear up and we see something. Sure

[latent depot]

Man United should be a green fix GW1 tbh

[prime plinth]

I might start with both if bb1 no salah

[lone glade]

ive seen people on harry wilson

[prime plinth]

Fair. Newcastle is villa's toughest in 8 gws

[lavish parcel]

They play at home

Villa are different gravy at their home games

[keen wren]

‘People’

Vrawn more like

[lone glade]

citeh ☠️

[wanton whale]

What a guy

Smooth let’s see your team

[orchid plank]

Less eo more gain

[lone glade]

Haven’t changed it in a few days

[wanton whale]

cold

[silent jasper]

6/11 I am screwed

[cedar hull]

Gyok 9

[stone perch]

Hmmmm

I haven't made any drafts to assess if this is an issue or not

[latent depot]

I keep returning to this draft

Brought in Raya earlier, but Gyokeres is going to steal bonus points from the defence that they all got last season

Having a reliable forward getting 24bps per goal makes all of the Arsenal defence slightly worse

[broken patio]

Fixture ticker if WC13 and omitting gw6 for free hit

Which Pras has totally sold me on as the way to go with chips

[latent depot]

Gyokeres would mean a dead bench for me, will wait

Not ruling him out tho. If Solanke is actually injured or if Gakpo looks like a minutes issue

[broken patio]

Gyoky in

[west marsh]

[broken patio]

Thistbh

[cedar hull]

So nothing other than fixtures?

[broken patio]

And the lack of other clear striker options

And his track record

And we know arsenal will be one of the best teams

[cedar hull]

Just not convinced of the need to own him gw1

Track record in Primera liga too

30% of his xg came from pens

[broken patio]

I can see an argument of starting with Watkins and moving to him

[quick dawn]

Probably better than watkins

[broken patio]

If we don't know if his mins are 100% but gw1 then I could be inclined to do that

Or Bowen then

Or whoever

[quick dawn]

The thing is really if he starts gw1 yeah

[cedar hull]

Im just yet to see a good argument for gyokeres that's all, it's all down to pen share imo

[quick dawn]

Gyo draft sorted

I mean arsenal are a rly good team

[latent depot]

Imo Gyokeres is just to attack GW1-2

[broken patio]

Yeah fix 3 4 5 6 are rough

So if he doesn't start gw1 or even gw2 then....

Could basically be essential from gw7 though

[lavish parcel]

No way 9m for gyokeres

[quick dawn]

Benched gw1 and price drop incoming

Then hattrick vs leeds

[lavish parcel]

He'll also play for Brighton btw

[quick dawn]

9m is a decent price I think, remember havertz used to score a lot

[lavish parcel]

It's the perfect price

Watkins + Gyokeres duo goes brrrr

I think my team for gw1 is set

Double palace defence might be risky but oh well

Is it bad that I have a dead bench?

4.5for-4.5mid-4.5mid-4.0 gk none starters

[cerulean cape]

Solanke out would help me

[wanton whale]

idk who id get if he was out

[cerulean cape]

Bowen

[cerulean cape]

And this is why it helps me

[wanton whale]

im stretching for budget as it is icl

[lavish parcel]

If Solanke is out, there's only one good option for same price (wood)

Other than that, you either go Bowen or any higher price forward

[latent depot]

Solanke is expected to play on Thursday

[quick dawn]

Any better 5 than lacroix

Just bcz of the bad fix

[wanton whale]

colwil is decent ig

[prime plinth]

Can just go 4.5 fwd as the 3rd

Outside of bb1

Just go a 4th defender as the main rotation option

Wood might be solid. Idk if igor adds any minutes concern

Main advantage for forest is elite fixtures for the first 6 when most teams have weird runs

[cerulean cape]

Igor takea awoniyi minutes

[wanton whale]

forest could play both wood and igor

[slim bane]

latest vibes draft

[wanton whale]

that is defo a vibes draft looks sick

why is it so spaced out tho

[slim bane]

on monitor

UI is fucked as always

[slim bane]

i started by going for 4x pool and 4x arsenal then realised salah and isak aint affordable together

[latent depot]

Very similar to mine

Oh actually no, very different

If a 4.5 mid emerges, I can get Palmer, but not overly keen on Chelsea without a preseason

[wanton whale]

if arsenal and pool had a better run i would consider

[fleet oracle]

Damn I’m so out of touch this season. @slim bane have we got 3 playing 4.0m defenders to rotate this season?

[latent depot]

Yes actually Burnley/Leeds rotate decently

[fleet oracle]

Ok. Maybe it’s worth looking into. Has someone already looked into best VAPM players?

[slim bane]

@cedar hull

[fleet oracle]

Found it

[slim bane]

but there’s no reliable vapm for promoted sides obv

[fleet oracle]

Time to have a look at it all, then ignore it to fit in Salah haaland palmer and hope that Gyokeres can cover Saka

[quick dawn]

saka over palmer agenda?

i was on that first day

[lavish parcel]

This is where I am currently, just have Sunderland gks to avoid double Brentford (Collins+Kelleher)

Just dead bench and uncertainty from tarkowski

If Tark is out, I am looking at either senesi or colwill/chalobah

Oh yeah or Munoz

[quick dawn]

mcgrr type draft

[latent depot]

Temu version with Collins/Lacroix/GKs

[humble bane]

so

de cuyper

is

no longer nail

D:

[pale tiger]

why

[humble bane]

i meant as a question

no one has decuyper anymore

[latent depot]

@cerulean cape what was Lewis Hall's adjusted points total?

[cedar hull]

None of us had him in the first place

Lewis hall has very good DC numbers iirc

[latent depot]

only 24 starts so small sample size

if you deduct 3 sub appearance points from a presumed 110 recalced total, then devide by those 24 starts, you 4.46ppm and 0.447vapm

or you want to do it the other way, add 3 appearance points as if he started those 3 games and you get 0.397vapm

solidly Branthwaite tier (very good)

puts him top 10 among defenders

[lavish parcel]

You have marmoush as well?

He's the only player I saw get loads and loads of playtime last season since he joined

[latent depot]

no, not touching City players. they only have 1 preseason game so will lack match fitness

[latent depot]

near 50% DC points will do that

[obtuse shoal]

This is just for defenders in general, right? Not just dc’s

[latent depot]

yes

can't be just DCs with Gabriel there

[wanton whale]

Kinda forgot about hall

[latent depot]

Lacroix is on the edge of S-tier... bro scored 1 goal on 2.75 xG

[wanton whale]

As long as guehi stays Munoz is locked for me

[latent depot]

Lacroix is actual gold dust tbh. near 50% DC points, near 1 shot per game, 0.13xGI90

call it 18/38 DC returns = 36 points, ~3xG, ~2xA, 10ish clean sheets? if he hits his xGI, that's 36+40+18+6+76 = 176 points assuming bonus cancels out YCs and occasions when they concede 2+

for 5.0

scored 4 goals on 1.01xG previous season

[wanton whale]

Munoz worth the 0.5 imo

It’s close tho

[cedar hull]

Yeah the problem with lacroix is Munoz, he put up over 10xgi last season

[latent depot]

the problem for both is prob Guehi leaving, and for Munoz, Eze leaving

[obtuse shoal]

What’s Richards like for dc? Cause he’s .5 cheaper again.

[latent depot]

nowhere near

not bad, but not worth looking at when you already have Lacroix/Munoz

[wanton whale]

Will Guehi leave?

[latent depot]

Liverpool need a CB

[wanton whale]

True and they are obviously linked with him but it’s been so quiet coz of isak

[latent depot]

Guehi played first preseason game, then mysteriously absent for next preseason game

Lerma played CB

[wanton whale]

Hmm

If he leaves and eze comes to us it might be over

I was looking at Mateta

[latent depot]

actual bullshit how Palace get raided every year, also Brentford about to get relegated after losing their 3 most important players

[wanton whale]

Very frustrating yeah, cant imagine what Brentford fans are going through

Swear they’ve not been signing anyone

[cedar hull]

They got a young feyenoord winger but that's about it

Milambo I think

[wanton whale]

Christ

I wouldn’t mind a reason to go Thiago since he’s so cheap

[obtuse shoal]

Thiago’s been out so long. Would first want to see him get back to level before I go there.

[fleet oracle]

when we are looking at spurs underlying data, should we be looking moreso at the brentford data now that TF is their manager? I'm not sold on spurs being an easy fix for attackers this season

[latent depot]

neither dataset is particularly relevant

Spurs picks are purely subjective picks

[fleet oracle]

They've 3rd best att fix, and 9th best def fix for the same period, based on
peireweust's FDR for the opening 6 fix. subjective or not, there are a lot of points to be picked up there

[quick dawn]

Wait halls 5.5

Sad i thought 5

Why do I have double palace with terrible fixtures

[latent depot]

yikes, I don't think I want Wood anymore

took a closer look at where his goals etc. came from

Forest fixtures actually aren't green enough for him, bro needs relegation candidates to feed on

1 goal (vs WHU) from the same GW1-3 fixtures last season, 7 shots 1.21xG, 1 KP 0.13xA

[cedar hull]

All this talk about isak but if he doesn't sign I'm high on ekitike

[latent depot]

if he doesn't sign, I'm higher on Gakpo

[cedar hull]

That too

[wanton whale]

id rather watkins at that point

[cedar hull]

I could be on both icl

[wanton whale]

if solanke is defo out im keen

[cedar hull]

Still don't fully get solanke hype, but bad bunch of fwds ig

Analcord loves him for some reason

[wanton whale]

opening fixture, pens (maybe), thomas frank

but yeah hes overrated

[lavish parcel]

Perfectly sums up my thought process of picking defenders. Too bad I won't be able to get VVD

[latent depot]

Solanke is fine, this was before everyone got injured

7 goals on 9.58xG is nothing to shout about, but 10GI in 18 is ok

[cedar hull]

-2.5

[latent depot]

might have to play 541 with Gyokeres tbh

[humble bane]

anderson or arias

:(

[cedar hull]

neither

[cerulean cape]

Anderson

[lavish parcel]

I am deciding whether to 442 or 532

[latent depot]

Anderson has comparable VAPM to Semenyo/Rogers so if you're investing elsewhere, it's fine to permastart Anderson

[humble bane]

W

#1399510359135617127 says this is my final draft now

[cedar hull]

Ndiaye higher VAPM than rogers

[wanton whale]

this from last seasons data?

[quick dawn]

does vamp take away the minimum price a player can be

it should

[latent depot]

no, then you get into an iterative exercise looking at each 0.5 increment and value that it brings

go do it yourself if you think it's useful

hint: it's not

VAMP does exactly what it's supposed to do; simple and quick exercise to narrow down value options for you to make a judgement call

[quick dawn]

how is it iterative its the same just with changed prices

[humble bane]

you cooked 🤔

[latent depot]

go ahead, this point gets raised every single time VAPM is discussed, do it yourself, I cba explaining

[humble bane]

but then minimum price players will have infinite VAPM

so i see why they dont do it

[latent depot]

yes and that's why it becomes iterative for each additional 0.5

people raise this point like it's never been thought of before

[humble bane]

fairs

[quick dawn]

that is true but for mids and fwds anyway the minimum priced players dont play

[latent depot]

FWIW I authored the original VAPM Reddit thread in summer 2017

[cedar hull]

🤓

[wanton whale]

might pick a bou attacker

[latent depot]

wish Semenyo had pens

either that or if he could just finish better

[wanton whale]

fr

evan as well coz im struggling for fwds

[latent depot]

forwards are so dead

[cedar hull]

bournemouth have an xgi spammer, a pen merchant and a striker without pens as their options

[latent depot]

best Bournemouth asset is Christie for 1st bench

[wanton whale]

FDR is great from 2-7 for bournemouth

[quick dawn]

wood has to be better with mgw

[latent depot]

both kinda underwhelming

Wood farmed vs relegated teams and that freak hat trick in the 7-0 vs Brighton

otherwise he's kinda meh

so Wood would be great for GW5-6

GW1-3 ehhhh

[quick dawn]

i kinda agree but 7.5 is still fairly cheap

compared to like watkins

[latent depot]

Wood 1 goal (vs WHU) from the same GW1-3 fixtures last season, 7 shots 1.21xG, 1 KP 0.13xA

the concern is if he doesn't do much early on, he'll drop in price before GW5

[prime plinth]

Yeah. The postives is Tottenham were 22-3 in the first 6 pl games before the injury pile on

That in itself could just be a outlier though

[cedar hull]

needed elanga more than mgw tbh, but ndoye is the best buy on the market for them rn

[latent depot]

yeah, spam crosses for Wood to win

[latent depot]

Piroe/Lacroix rotate surprisingly perfectly

So fucking stupid that Leeds have a CB taking pens, or I'd go with that rotation

[lavish parcel]

I want to have Lacroix in my team but the first 3 games are putting me off him

And if I don't own start off with him, I might not be able to get him in until WC since I'll probably use my FT on attacking assets depending on fix

[obtuse shoal]

Wait, a cb? Isn’t that just perfect

[latent depot]

Struijk has never taken a penalty while Piroe has been on the pitch

Piroe will only be their starting CF if Leeds don't sign someone

[slim bane]

@broken patio

[latent depot]

Permastarting Baleba

I keep coming back to this day 3 draft

I like how Ayy pretends to be a VAMP believer, then creates teams that contradict VAMP

[cerulean cape]

Ayy too busy with work blah blah blah

[latent depot]

No longer a VAMP believer, now a VIBES Baleba

[cerulean cape]

Opinions?

[latent depot]

Halaand GW1-3 solves everything tbh... But no Salah

[cerulean cape]

Do you need 0.5m too

[latent depot]

It's more specifically how shit forwards are

But yes that 0.5 helps a lot

Might WC during IB1 if go for Haaland

[cerulean cape]

Who knew gyokeres being 9m meant watkins became way more popular ffs

[latent depot]

[cerulean cape]

🔒

[pale tiger]

🔒

[zenith jolt]

God damn it i won’t get points when my defender makes 20 interceptions

[broken patio]

I do think we're looking into it too much

Clean sheets are still the bread and butter for defenders

And like, most of the defcon points come in tough fix, so if you're rotating defs and targeting clean sheets then you don't need to worry about them anyway

[cerulean cape]

Tark got more dc points than cs points btw

[broken patio]

Damn

Yeah it does allow you to just get good Defs and play them every week

And use your transfers elsewhere

And, Obvs there are picks who are great for cs AND defcon, like vvd Murillo etc

[cerulean cape]

I think thats key

No need to rotate and spend fts on defs

[broken patio]

Yeah

But then where are you spending your transfers on your 523 draft?@cerulean cape

[cerulean cape]

Its 523 now

Doesn't mean its 523 all season

I have 3fts in gw4 to change stuff it needs to

I actually want Rogers in

And play 433

Rogers over vvd but I have no money

😭

Tbh cba tinkering anymore

Can't do anything until we get Everton cb news

[broken patio]

Same for me but mainly regarding gyokeres playing in preseason, Liverpool signings etc

[kind egret]

moment

[cedar hull]

not true btw

[cerulean cape]

What was romero dc?

On my phone so hard to access ffscout

[slim bane]

I understand the mechanics of vamp and then initially build my team around vamp but I tinker based on vibes

totally sound logic there

[cedar hull]

4 with 0.22 per start

but ange system

[slim bane]

Sacced Cucu and Watkins to have one stronger bench player

(?)

[zenith jolt]

I don’t get bowen

[slim bane]

It’s fookin Sunderland tho

I think I’m happy with my mids rn

[zenith jolt]

Also think i’d have 5.5 4.5 defs over two 5s

Murillo vdb etc

[slim bane]

wonder if kerkez colwill or cucu lacroix

Or kerkez lacroix

[acoustic edge]

gyok + saka?

[zenith jolt]

Why kerkez over vvd also

[acoustic edge]

covering every pen option ig

[slim bane]

Btw the UI is so fucking stupid

My cross to exit is blocked

[acoustic edge]

also drop baleba to a 4.5 and pick up a 5.5 def over lacroix to play in a 4-4-2 ibeg

[slim bane]

I can’t do that with this team

Need an extra starter

Wait

Wrong team

Baleba is the Murphy of last season

[zenith jolt]

Tricotah

[slim bane]

(I haven’t looked at any numbers or matches)

[zenith jolt]

Rmt

[slim bane]

Double spurs

[acoustic edge]

leng

but nomium is so dumb imo

[zenith jolt]

Maybe

[acoustic edge]

like idk abt saka pens but

[slim bane]

You block yourself from salah on two counts

Budget and triple pool

[acoustic edge]

even isak saka -> haaland 6.5 would cook

nah i like it tho

[zenith jolt]

ye thats my other draft

kind of

[acoustic edge]

idk i like but ev bleed is probably crazy

[zenith jolt]

not sure on wirtz either

[acoustic edge]

ive got wirtz in mine

[keen wren]

vdv cbit is even worse than udogie

[zenith jolt]

8.5 feels rly good

[zenith jolt]

ye but udogie injured rn init

[acoustic edge]

i think hes 90xmins .6g/a / 90 ezpz

[zenith jolt]

personally dont like salah if they get isak based off vibes

isak buffs wirtz 2

[acoustic edge]

fairs

[cedar hull]

analcord merchant

[acoustic edge]

salah also gonna be so highly owned

[zenith jolt]

No where near review draft

ngl

[cedar hull]

is review out

[zenith jolt]

no

[cedar hull]

i just saw they all have evanilson on the bench or smth

[zenith jolt]

Latest msg

[zenith jolt]

Oh do they

[broken patio]

Ooo I haven't seen this before

[zenith jolt]

I just did it myself

ngl

[acoustic edge]

don’t we all?

[zenith jolt]

Evan getting HEAVILY overlooked

[cedar hull]

they have a release date thread mate

[slim bane]

yea I was gonna say

No analcord personnel would have a draft yet

[zenith jolt]

That too

[broken patio]

Ayari*

[zenith jolt]

Gonna make estimate of review draft brb

[acoustic edge]

semenyo clears tbf

[slim bane]

You think I should get ayari to permastart?

[acoustic edge]

good luck with the 5.5 rotation

[broken patio]

No

Xmins aren't there for permastart

You shouldn't be Baleba permastart either though lmao

[slim bane]

Ffs

Mids are so ass

[broken patio]

Holy bench

[pale tiger]

idk what to do

[broken patio]

8 attacker issue

[slim bane]

Is there any 4.5 def I can permastart

Other than fucking udogie

🐶

[acoustic edge]

no

get a better team

[broken patio]

You've got 8 strong attackers, you can only ever play 7 per week
Downgrade a mid or a fwd to a 4.5 (or 5.0 mid if you're feeling zesty), and just play the other 7 every week and use the extra money to improve your squad

[broken patio]

Konsa?

[pale tiger]

andersen or konsa better

[slim bane]

Triple Villa bet

[broken patio]

Konsa for the opening fix

[slim bane]

Isn’t Emi fucking off tho

[broken patio]

Mmmm that can't be good for villa Def

[pale tiger]

even with emi they were leaky last season

[broken patio]

Munoz + 4.5m mid on bench
Vs
Lacroix + 5.0 mid on bench

Bare in mind my other 2 bench slots are 4.0 Def, 4.5 fwd

[slim bane]

Traditionally I’d go for the first one

Last few seasons tho

[broken patio]

Same

Actually I'm gonna BB fairly early

Before gw12

So 5.0 mid

[zenith jolt]

Warra review draft

[elder cargo]

Thiagooooo

We’re so there

[broken patio]

Ofc they'd have Haaland and Bruno and no Salah

[acoustic edge]

if i speak

[slim bane]

You’ve basically copied the team except cheaping out some players to get semen

[zenith jolt]

Drop bruno and get an ars def over branth pls

[elder cargo]

9m bruno hunting for CBIT

🔥

[acoustic edge]

😈

[zenith jolt]

ye ngl bruno is dead

idek if he pops up on review with updated 8 share

[elder cargo]

pens and 90

they love that

[zenith jolt]

meh cbit might push it over the line

[acoustic edge]

thank you for acknowledging the joke 🔥🔥🔥

[latent depot]

WC7

[acoustic edge]

copying review? i am ashamed!

[zenith jolt]

So much money jn gyok and gakpo man

[cedar hull]

find it funny how all of the elite fpl players got mad at the assistant copilot ai thing when they use review

[zenith jolt]

Wait is gakpo 7.5

Or 8.6

[cedar hull]

7.5

[zenith jolt]

Fairs then

[latent depot]

8.6

[cedar hull]

thats his gw2 price after 16 goals against bou

[zenith jolt]

Solanke over gakpo?

[elder cargo]

Solanke better bang after all this propaganda I’ve pushed for him

[latent depot]

I don't hate it, have looked at it

[acoustic edge]

thistbh

[slim bane]

Soblanke

[cedar hull]

if solanke gets 20xg hes only scoring 15-16 btw

[zenith jolt]

17th time bringing this up this week

[acoustic edge]

16goals for a 7.5 striker sign me up lmao

[cedar hull]

gotta balance out the playing field

cant have this solanke nonsense taking over road to 100k

[slim bane]

anti-Solanke

anti-spurs really

never performs

[acoustic edge]

just buy bruno over solanke

[slim bane]

Except son a few years ago

[acoustic edge]

same player tbf

[cedar hull]

i think spurs and frank will do well they just need time though

[slim bane]

[zenith jolt]

I think solanke will do the goals

[slim bane]

Frank praised Arsenal in his pressers

Second time now

[acoustic edge]

this is the real review draft btw

[slim bane]

Surely fans will be calling for his head soon

[acoustic edge]

from fpl fran on youtube 🔥🔥

[slim bane]

Rodonnn

4/15

[keen wren]

9/15 wtf

[slim bane]

And two are bench players

I’m cooked

[acoustic edge]

drop the team

[keen wren]

cbit defenders only

[zenith jolt]

Forgot jsl fuck

[acoustic edge]

so haram wtf

[keen wren]

no ars def will be the play trust me

[acoustic edge]

i agree bro

but we’re overlooking dan james

[keen wren]

check projections

[acoustic edge]

what mf projections say dan james is a pick cba

do u think gyökeres will start tho

[keen wren]

#1187752108137664552 message

idk could easily be watkins

[cedar hull]

touch grass baki wtf is dan james doing in your team

[acoustic edge]

should be bryno

[keen wren]

we are not picking Bruno this season

[cedar hull]

but we are picking dan james

[keen wren]

Exactly

it’s a long shot but Leeds had by far the best attack in champ and he is the talisman

imo his finishing has improved a lot since he was last in the prem

[cedar hull]

wouldnt be saying that if he wasnt high on an expected points spreadsheet

[keen wren]

Or if I didn’t watch the championship every weekend last season

[acoustic edge]

i hate gaffr!!

[keen wren]

James permacap

[acoustic edge]

bb1 wc7

adingra gw1+2 EV 🥶🥶

[keen wren]

Interesting play

Meslier is cooked tho

[acoustic edge]

leeds 33% cs chance gw 1

[keen wren]

Perri will start

[acoustic edge]

oh good point

okay swap adingra meslier -> areola james

[wanton whale]

I hope for your sake spurs don’t concede

[acoustic edge]

highest cs chance gw1

[keen wren]

Yeah the Leeds shout isn’t even bad

People are overrating everton massively with ndiaye

[acoustic edge]

thistbh

ndiaye is a pen play

which is fine but

semenyo and rogers are both .5 more

[zenith jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/evanilson-lewanilson-fc-porto-porto-evanilson-porto-gif-26357074

[acoustic edge]

https://tenor.com/view/semenyo-bournemouth-celebration-premier-league-gif-16285536183258970415

midfielder btw

[wanton whale]

He’s good for DC right?

[acoustic edge]

he got like 8DC points

another bonus for him over evan 🔥🔥

[zenith jolt]

Pens mog

[cedar hull]

tbh i agree, dont understand how ndiaye has higher vapm than semenyo and rogers

[keen wren]

Owning semenyo last szn was a nightmare

[jolly solstice]

Rethinking if wirtz is actually good or overrated and if I should choose between wirtz and Watkins

[acoustic edge]

nice kluivert pick

wirtz and watkins will both score the same first 6

litr nothing in it imo

[wanton whale]

Evan being a fwd at 7m does appeal me purely from a structure standpoint

[cedar hull]

probably wrong but wirtz feels like low ceiling high floor

[wanton whale]

Kind like szobo?

[cedar hull]

szobo has low ceiling and low floor

[wanton whale]

True obviously wirtz will be better but there always some games were szobo would go crazy

[pale tiger]

Better now? Did mitoma to adingra , then Konsa to Lacroix , and upgraded wood to bowen

[cedar hull]

still 8 attackers

just downgrade jsl and adingra to 4.5s, then use that to upgrade elsewhere

[marsh chasm]

Which bb1 team is better

[silent jasper]

is JSL a good budget forward or nah

[wanton whale]

decent

its either him welbeck or thiago tbf

[silent jasper]

got a feeling JSL might be Wolves goalscorer machine because Cunha left, but not sure if he does well without Cunha though

[quick dawn]

how is this team affordable

[wanton whale]

he was great in cunhas abscence last season

[silent jasper]

@wanton whale and congrats on new role by the way, fully deserved

[quick dawn]

i guess cheap fwds

[wanton whale]

thanks mann, i enjoy helping and talking fpl so yeah im chuffed

[acoustic edge]

sarr ndiaye = wirtz 4.5
sanchez lacroix = pickford 4.5
then it’s just a standard 3-4-3 with cheap forwards and expensive defence

[quick dawn]

i can do gyok to welbeck but then not even sure where to upgrade

gakpo to saka but i like gakpo

i think u can actually make a bb with salah and palmer

[acoustic edge]

https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/brentford-wissa-transfer-latest-newcastle-b1240525.html

[elder cargo]

https://tenor.com/view/rain-chair-sad-gif-24080159

Igor Thiago mudded

Fuckkkkk

[wanton whale]

nah theyll both start trust

[acoustic edge]

no pens tho

[little delta]

does watkins have pens?

no right

[wanton whale]

its either him or tiele

but i feel like it depends on the game situation eg who fancies it

[little delta]

gyokeres prolly on pens right

[quick dawn]

I dont think most villa fans could say

He isnt very good at taking them though

[wanton whale]

id imagine so

Saka is far from greedy

[little delta]

so maybe gyokeres over watkins, idk

watkins better fix tho

[wanton whale]

i prefer gyko purely for some arsenal attack coverage

watkins is the less risky choice

and if Havertz keeps doing well in preseason ill probably take gyko out

[quick dawn]

Only issue with gyok is might be benched gw1

[wanton whale]

yeah i wouldnt be suprised

[violet temple]

there's an error with ur role

[wanton whale]

is there?

[violet temple]

we should make it fantasy pl helper not fantasy football helper since we all know how good you've been in La Liga and cwc

[wanton whale]

i was more a moral helper in those game modes 😈

[violet temple]

okay now sell me ur best players in #wc_fantasy 😂

[latent depot]

If Wissa stays at Brentford, who do Newcastle buy?

[wanton whale]

no pay rc 🤬

[violet temple]

sesko

[little delta]

sesko ?

but apparently he wants united

[latent depot]

Unserious

Bro just wants the 💰

Sesko is after the Benjamins

[violet temple]

Newcastle offer pretty decent wages too no?

[latent depot]

Prob using Man United to negotiate with Newcastle

Wtf why is he costing nearly as much as Gyokeres

[little delta]

what if Sesko goes newcastle and watkins goes to united

[latent depot]

Bro best be 7.5 in FPL

[violet temple]

watkins will be a shit fpl asset and I'll be sad

[latent depot]

RIP Watkins

[little delta]

that’s definitely possible

[cerulean cape]

Man utd have no money

They can buy watkins after they sell antony, garnacho and co

Which would be much later

[quick dawn]

We wont sell watkins for cheap

Probably like 50 but we also need a replacement like agehowa

[latent depot]

Wtf is the Le Fee hype, someone was set on him in here. Bro started 14/18 games he was available for in the championship and got subbed at HT once

Best thing you can say is that he took 5+ corners per start

[quick dawn]

Christie is the only good cheap mid

Or anderson i guess

[latent depot]

Le Fee is 5'7 RIP too small to play CM/DM in PL

Unless Kante GOAT

[slim bane]

@hollow ermine

[hollow ermine]

Suprising ngl

[slim bane]

Haven’t fixed def

And 5th mid

Gyo and Watkins too tempting atm

watkins cos who else would I get

[broken patio]

Can't wait for everyone to fall into the kelleher trap

[hollow ermine]

Ndiaye kudus double up if gakpo has bad minutes👀

[hollow ermine]

4.5 cba

[slim bane]

I ain’t touching spurs players no way

[broken patio]

Petrovic >>

[hollow ermine]

There’s me with potentially double sours

[slim bane]

diff manager same shit

[hollow ermine]

I’m on late wc

[broken patio]

Wc13 gang

[hollow ermine]

So I value long term fix

[slim bane]

I value good teams

Say real I haven’t analysed shit this season

Just putting players in for vibes

The palace duo could be konate colwill or something

[broken patio]

Colwill at 5.0 is dead

Just get Sanchez

[hollow ermine]

It’s lowk better anyway

[slim bane]

palace 12th placed team impression sandbags it

Probably will tank first few games tho

[wanton whale]

never been a fan of going all in a few teams early but this looks good

[hollow ermine]

Bros team looks like a rainbow

[wanton whale]

its very pleasing to the eye

[slim bane]

hell nah

[stone perch]

Are Liverpool playing 3D chess or something?

That VVD FK video is too good to be true

[stone perch]

He ain't joining the MLS

[cedar hull]

Newcastle getting rejected for the 10th time this season

[quick dawn]

Dont understand why most footballers seem greedy when they are already super rich

[slim bane]

Cos beyond 30 they won’t get that high a paycheck ever again

And most of them have no transferable skills

[quick dawn]

but they make a million every month or two

[slim bane]

They have to feed their families and themselves for like the next 50 years

[little delta]

anyone looking at bou attackers? like evanilson or semenyo

[wanton whale]

yeah

but i hate having to play one against pool

[little delta]

yeah same

their fix after really good tho

i also like eze but idk bout the fix

[wanton whale]

for attackers they are second from gw2-9 fdr

[wanton whale]

as long as he doesnt move

[hollow ermine]

Also cause they spend more than the average person

Biggest weekly expense I’ll ever make is Waitrose 3 meals for 10 pounds

I’m not paying agents n stuff

This doesn’t apply to everyone though

They’re some guys that just don’t gaf

[slim bane]

@cedar hull Rough estimates

Unless u are bang on with captaincy

2300 was enough for 10k 5 seasons ago

Now it’s pitiful

[cedar hull]

Oh you meant overall points inflation, I thought you were specifically referring to this season's changes

[slim bane]

Oh nah

[latent depot]

0.4 is what you need for defence, then spend as much as you can on defence

0.35 for attackers

Use FTs on attackers to exceed that during fix swings

[latent depot]

Wtf Haaland had 0 shots away to Wolves last season

[stone perch]

I like how you're subtly implying that their contribution to society will be non-existent

[cedar hull]

Marmoush 0.42

[earnest torrent]

AI already creating their own price rises lol

[wanton whale]

how you do this, asking for a friend?

[latent depot]

Small sample size and he played CF during Haaland's injury

TBF didn't score many goals while at CF

[broken patio]

Uhhhh what's this about gab not training

[latent depot]

Bro is recovering from hamstring injury, had a recent niggle in training. That's concerning if he isn't back in training yet

[broken patio]

They play spurs on Thursday