#The Acolyte

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proud juniper
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ehhh

misty trout
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think of all the characters people are rooting for him the most

proud juniper
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I think that would make it extra delicious, actually

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Your favorite good guy? Nah, fuck you, he's dark side

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it's great

misty trout
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i think Qimir being the sith was super predictable ish tbh so i do hope the plot doesn't go that simple

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but also shouldn't be smth absurb happening

proud juniper
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Yeah, Qimir was being telegraphed pretty hard to the point I thought he was a red herring

misty trout
proud juniper
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Hmmmm

misty trout
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but shouldn't be smth unbelievable like Sol was the sith master/Ren and then discarded Qimir cuz he was a weekling and now he's back or what not

proud juniper
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I mean hell, people like the Empire in SWTOR because they're tired of good guys and want bad guys. Sol turns out to be bad, he's likeable, there ya go

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I think a lot would be on board

misty trout
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i'd say if done methodically yes

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like say he did smth bad to hide for a "greater purpose"( which didn't work ) but if he turns out suddenly to be like Palpatine levels psycho, would be very unreal

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its not that people don't like bad guys, its that their motivations should feel more real

proud juniper
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Yeah

misty trout
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like having anakin, the alleged hero turn to the DS and become vader does make a good amount of sense

proud juniper
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Yeah, he had a spiral

misty trout
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how he felt betrayed by the jedi, his mother dying and all of that stuff

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like it makes sense on why he'd do that and we see him turn and become a bad person slowly

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but now say suddenly you turn Yoda to be the sith apprentice to sidious, that wouldn't make any sense whatso ever

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it that a huge and unpredictable plot twist, absolutely but its wasteful and tbh a stupid one done for the sake of having one

that is what i do not want, a plot twist for the sake of it

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a well thought out one, you bet i'm all in for that

proud juniper
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Yeah, makes sense

light flower
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I could see it being like Sol goes rogue hunting down Qimir & becomes the very thing he sought to destroy in his vengeance for Yord, Jecki & co.

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rip Jecki... you girlbossed too close to the sun PensiveNeko

proud juniper
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She dual wielded like a damn champ

wide orchid
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I have trouble understanding the "history" continuity in star wars, so maybe someone can help me understand this:
How come Jedi do not know what red lightsaber and evil looks mean? How come they act surprised and say "What are you? o.O" Isn't it Jedi 101 that Sith are enemies and have been literally throughout thousands of years? I mean shit, sure, even if they have been wiped out for some time you would still teach about them? Don't they teach history at Jedi academies? Literally greatest tragedies that befell Star Wars worlds/universe were on the hands of Dark Side vs Light side. For example in real world in 1000 years I would imagine we would still be teaching people what transpired at the hands of N*** and USSR during WW2

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And sure, I wouldn't expect like a padawan to know this, but it was literally Sol that went "What are you? / confused face/ "

light flower
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History can be wiped out almost overnight if the right people decide its not to be taught, for example you talked about WW2, most people in Japan have no idea what atrocities they committed during WW2 because they actively don't teach it

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The Jedi could have made a decision to not teach about the sith once they were deemed extinct because of whatevr convoluted reason they can think up

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may it be they just don't want people learning about the 'other option' or being tempted by the stories of what Sith could do, etc. there could be plenty of reasons why most Jedi may be aware of what a Sith is but have no idea what one looks like/acts like

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Ima let the whole show playout before i judge major lore implications

misty trout
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quite sure Sol knew what a sith was but seeing one in the flesh when they've supposedly been "extict for a millenia" is still a shocking matter

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if u saw a real life dinosaur today, you'd likely react in a similar manner

do you know what they are? Yes.

It still is a real surprise

wide orchid
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let's see if Sol goes to the jedi council and asks what a Sith is next episode

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if he goes and says "hi i met a sith we need to ring the alarms coz they're bad, because we know the history" then we good, but if he goes and says "hi i met a sith, what is that? never heard of it" then my take was more reasonable

idle fossil
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Personally hoping Vernestra is the Sith.

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And that whatever the current guy's name is, is the true Acolyte. He's simply trying to usurp his Master.

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Idk, I'd just love that twist so much more xD

wide orchid
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so

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a guy that kills multiple jedi and basically owns everyone

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is an acolyte?

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with this level of power he is a freaking sith lord

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he would own kylo ren or rey in a blink of an eye

idle fossil
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I think that he's gotten to the realm of being a Lord, yes.

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However, he wants to usurp his master.

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Unless he's already the Master, which I hope isn't the case.

wide orchid
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i agree that i would love a general mastermind behind him as well

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gives depth and branches storyline

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i just hope they lean in into this dark side more, i disliked first 4 episodes, but the 5th one was sick

idle fossil
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Like I said: It's getting the Andor treatment

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Slow first half of the season

wide orchid
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i hope that's true

idle fossil
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Killer second half

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That's why I pity the people that were already saying "oh this show sucks" ONE episode in.

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Let the story play out first before casting judgment xD

wide orchid
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i mean i can't blame them, the main character is terrible

idle fossil
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To be clear, I'm not saying I believe the show is perfect or even great

wide orchid
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fingers crossed osha dies terribly and sol becomes MC

idle fossil
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At all.

wide orchid
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(hope never dies & stuff)

idle fossil
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I see its issues clear as day, but I believe it is receiving an egregious amount of hatred that is unwarranted.

wide orchid
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agreed

idle fossil
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I'm interested to see where they take it now.

wide orchid
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they killed 2 really cool characters, i wonder if we will meet new interesting ones

idle fossil
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However... critiques for the episode... showing the clear switcheroo

wide orchid
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oh yeah, if they kept it a secret

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that would be neat

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but maybe there is a good reason for the switcheroo being so blatantly obvious for us, viewers

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maybe some interesting dynamic will come out of us knowing that, but the characters in the show not

idle fossil
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What I think could've been done, is show Mae holding the lightsaber with the camera aimed at Osha, Mae ignites the saber and the sound cue of the ignition cuts to the next scene.

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So not showing the hair cutting.

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And making the reveal be clear when the Sith dude - I forget his name - finding Osha on the ground, because it is clear that SHE has those republic tattoos, not Mae.

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So THAT being the reveal could've been better.

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But again, since they're twins, a switcheroo was to be expected.

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So I'm thinking things will get real interesting real quick.

bright sierra
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i honestly have a feeling qimir has something to do with the knights of ren

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his armour kinda reminds me of them

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plus we got a snipped of kylo rens theme playing in this episode when hes about to force heal osha at the end

idle fossil
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I hope not

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I don't want this to have even a shred of involvement with the Skywalker saga

bright sierra
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well it already does

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ki adi mundi was in the show

idle fossil
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Was about to say that

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Ki-Adi showing up out of nowhere xD

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Could've literally been any other one from his species, but noooo it HAD to be the hypocritical Cerean man-whore himself xD

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Granted he DID have permission from the Council to repopulate his species.

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Hence why I teasingly/jokingly/seriously shamed Ki-Adi there hahaha

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Even excluding his repopulation and many wives thing... the guy wasn't really the best Jedi, was he?

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As far as I know he isn't well liked. But either way, I'm hoping there's no Knights of Ren stuff or anything.

twin quarry
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Oh gosh no…

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Please tell me they aren’t going the from enemies to lovers trope

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Not here

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Also I would assume Sith masters wouldn’t heal anyone’s wounds. Even if they planned on using them as an apprentice.

It’s either “Heal yourself. And if you can’t, you are too weak. Therefore you die.”

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Regardless, really hoping this isn’t the trope they are trying to use.

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Does Not work here.

misty trout
twin quarry
misty trout
twin quarry
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Oh….

misty trout
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vader lmfao

twin quarry
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Well that seems more circumstantial 😅

misty trout
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anakin's dumbass should have died there

twin quarry
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He needed Anakin. Unlike you know who

misty trout
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fairs lmao

twin quarry
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Nevertheless, I’m hoping he healed her for some sort of dark plot or to use her in some way for his plans

idle fossil
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Here's the thing. A Master never wants to lose power. But he trains an Acolyte/Apprentice to eventually pass on their teachings. And in the Rule of Two era, it is almost a certainty that the Apprentice will succeed the Master either by slaying them or their Master meeting an untimely end.

twin quarry
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Not another romance trope like they tried to do with Kylo and Rey

idle fossil
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Oh it won't be a romance trope.

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It will not be, that I can assure you.

misty trout
twin quarry
idle fossil
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The show is already trending upwards in quality.

twin quarry
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Darth Bane left Zannah by herself when she was a child. It was flight or fight

idle fossil
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No need to bring it back down with THAT situation.

twin quarry
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He told her survive or die on this planet

idle fossil
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Yup. My usage of the word almost was intentional 😉

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It's not always the case.

twin quarry
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lol he left her on some random planet, flew off without her, and told her that her first lesson is finding a way off

idle fossil
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I don't want a Bane/Revan movie/trilogy/series.

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NOT because I don't want to see them, I'm just worried about how they'd be adapted.

twin quarry
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We all are

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It’s why everyone freaked out when the news came out the Acolyte director wanted to make a KOTOR series

idle fossil
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However, seeing a pre-Rule of Two movie/show, whether it be tied to or not tied to the big characters of the Old Republic era, would be interesting.

twin quarry
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Majority of fans said “Don’t touch it!”

idle fossil
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In the director's defense...

twin quarry
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I just want a series of Darth Vader hunting Jedi

idle fossil
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Playing Devil's Advocate here...

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The show is picking up the pace in a good way this second half of the season so far.

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Still some inconsistencies as we all know

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Definitely has some problems still, but it IS improving.

twin quarry
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Listen, the only problem with remakes….

Is majority of the time, the writer and directors never want to be faithful to the orginal

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Almost every time

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It’s always “I want this changed, I want that changed”

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To the point it’s where they don’t want to remake KOTOR, you just wanted to change everything you didn’t like about it!

idle fossil
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You want Jedi-hunting Vader? Play the prologue level in Force Unleashed.

twin quarry
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Nah

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Vader hunting Jedi would be a popular series

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As it is actually in pretty high request

idle fossil
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It would be, like I said it would be great

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But we need to move on from Vader

twin quarry
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Plus a series on other characters such as Jango Fett would be interesting as well

idle fossil
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See, a Jango focused series would be different because we haven't seen him beyond Episode II.

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That's it.

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Vader/Anakin, we've seen stuff about him or referencing him through 11 movies, 4 TV shows...

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I will always dream of Vader hunting Jedi being a visual product like a show or something.

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But I think in this case due to how much Anakin/Vader we've gotten... enough's enough. We need something new.

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I'd rather see a KOTOR or Bane or even a Exar Kun show/movie before seeing Vader hunting Jedi.

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At least do something new like those things BEFORE thinking of a Vader show. Let a few more years pass, THEN pull the trigger on a Vader show.

bright sierra
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i dont think it needs a huge big budget live action thing

idle fossil
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Agreed

prime mantle
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We need something hundreds of years offset from "The Skywalker Era" either before or after, and create new stories. There's a whole universe to play with

idle fossil
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Exactly

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And there's tons of material to adapt. Could be something like Marka Ragnos, Naga Sadow, Ludo Kressh, God-King Andeddu, Adas... yes I know I mentioned only Sith-focused stories but let's face it... Sith stories have more intrigue, nuance, and conflict than Jedi stories.

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Also didn't mention anything after specifically because of the Sequels, unless we venture into something entirely new, which would also be welcome

prime mantle
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Doesn't even need to be tied to ANY existing content, canon or legends.

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let's see something NEW

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and the sequels are part of the "Skywalker Legacy" - that's Episodes 1-9.

idle fossil
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Very much

arctic wharf
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Especially something not tied to palpatines stupid return in tros

mighty arrow
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Or everyone meeting everyone

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Or if I want to see this resolved I'll have to watch this other show

vapid fog
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So the Jedi master was stronger

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So the Jedi do not know that unarmed does not mean not dangerous

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Especially for a force user?

vivid spear
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I miss when a red lightsaber literally meant nothing more than the wielder was using a synthetic crystal, this kind of legends lore would help Disney with their "is he a Sith or not? 😉 " gimmick they are trying so hard to pull off.

bright sierra
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Yeah it was cool the first couple times but now its a bit much

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Couldve just given him a yellow or purple one and no one wouldve bat an eye

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Well they'd go "damn thats cool" and thats it

rose zealot
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Forgive my timeline shortcomings, but at what time between now and Episode 1 (movie) does Darth Plageius become a thing? Or is he already established in the timeline during Acolyte's time period?

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Because if Plageius is already around during Acolyte, there's no way this mastermind in Acolyte is a part of the Sith Order. No?

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Or, is this pre-empting him?

mighty arrow
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no idea

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with the reboot the only thing we know about plageius is that he is/was/most likely Sidious' master

idle fossil
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But here's the thing: The Plagueis novel is NOT canon.

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We just know the fact Plagueis was Sidious' master or is alluded to be. That's it. Actually nvm you pretty much said that xD

mighty arrow
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Yup

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So whatever he is/was it could wind up totally different

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If he even existed at all and wasnt just a story made up to seduce anakin

rose zealot
idle fossil
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Legends canon is generally better anyways.

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I say generally because not everything in Legends is great

mighty arrow
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Less said about Castila the better

mighty arrow
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Or anything related to children of the jedi

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And darksaber

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And half the jedi academy trilogy that isnt about the actual academy

idle fossil
bright sierra
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depends how long muuns could live, could be longer or shorter

arctic wharf
mighty arrow
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I'm not holding onto that

vapid fog
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is Yoda alive during the Acolyte timeline

vivid spear
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yoda is 900 by prequel era, so he'd be 800 and still grand master of the jedi order during high republic era (acolyte) assuming disney can do basic math for one of their oldest and most iconic canon characters.

prime mantle
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Probably about as dark side blind as he was in the prequel trilogy

vapid fog
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is this only 100 years before the prequels?

vivid spear
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Yes, they made such a huge point of it being "100 years before the prequels!" "Not just another star wars film!" "This is the HIGH REPUBLIC! THE GOLDEN YEARS!" The last one is mainly because Disney has been trying for years now to carve out this High Republic as an age of no war in Star Wars story telling so I'm pretty shocked how this show has gone so far on that line as it may not be a war, but then it's still fighting and killing and all of it is linked as usual to the Jedi / Sith wars.

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It's almost like the writers setting up all this are just...baaad. or something.

proud juniper
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I mean

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you need to have conflict in a story

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granted, yeah, it doesn't have to be war

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but they gotta appease the people who want the sick lightsaber fights

mighty arrow
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do they?

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I feel like appealing to WOW OOOOH FLASHY without any substance is half this franchise's problem

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and thats BEFORE Disney bought it out

proud juniper
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Well, given how many people seem to be re-evaluating what they think about this show after ep 5

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people are calling this the best saber fight choreography we've ever seen, or putting it up there with the Maul/Qui-Gon fight

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(I was never THAT big on the Maul/Qui-Gon fight because yeah, that felt like flashy over substance since we didn't really know who the hell Maul was apart from bad dark side dude)

vivid spear
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idk about re-evaluating, I feel they just doubled down on stupid, if you enjoyed it great, but don't look to closely or think to hard about how the fight played out, it'll ruin that for you as well.

proud juniper
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Scrutinizing everything with a microscope has the potential to ruin a lottttttt of media for one

idle fossil
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For example.

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I know this isn't Acolyte-related, it is just an example... Denethor's death in Return of the King

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Denethor literally ran from the back corner of Minas Tirith, all the way to its promontory, and jumped to his death.

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As awesome/epic/damn near perfect as the LOTR trilogy is, if you look at that with a microscope... there's no chance in hell that the man made it even a quarter of the way there while burning alive.

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So that's a great example of letting yourself get that suspension of disbelief.

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Let the fantasy flow and enjoy the ride, no matter how much you try to view it from a logical lens. Take away the logic.

proud juniper
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Denethor would've died before that, Eomer's sword fell out of the hilt, 0/10

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uhhh..uhhhh...it's a Force kick! Yeah, that's it!

mighty arrow
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the need to constantly explain some stylistic thing in the EU will always drive me nuts

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or in this case a flub

proud juniper
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Yeah

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but it's funny, at least

prime mantle
proud juniper
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I'm pretty creative at coming up with explanations for some of this stuff

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and if I can't I just go "A wizard did it"

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or "shut up, don't question it" and laugh

mighty arrow
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"You see when sidious screamed and spun himself towards the jedi he was using a special ability called force howl that is meant to throw off your opponent"

proud juniper
light flower
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this is Space Fantasy first and foremost

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wizardy

proud juniper
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pretty much

light flower
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I think a lot of the discourse comes from people expecting Star Wars to be like Sci-Fi, and therefore the 'force' and everything else is Science and has hard limits.

but its not, its fantasy, the genre where the smartest are always finding new ways to do crazy shit SCimgoingcrazy so just accept its Space Fantasy and its 10x more enjoyable

glad olive
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Through passion I gain strength. Through strength, power. Through power, victory. Through victory, my chains are broken.

verbal lake
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everyone needs to die

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or they are gonna ruin ep 1 talk about never meeting a Sith for a thousand years

glad olive
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I agree the Jedi order must be destroyed

vivid spear
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Simplest fix for their timeline issues, no Jedi survived, and find a fall guy to take the blame in a convincing manner. basically what Maul did for prequel's pre-Naboo invasion.

vapid fog
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Just because sometimes has bad things it does not mean it has to be destroyed

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The Jedi order protects billions trough their action and reputation

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Yes a few bad apples are worth the safety it provides

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If the good outweigh the bad it's worth it. It's always worth it

proud juniper
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Yeah, but that's not edgy enough lumpy

rose zealot
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They could just as easily leave one survivor who goes in to exile (Sol for instance) and essentially becomes a hermit Jedi who sets something up for later content.

light flower
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very interesting episode HMM

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definitely boring compared to last week, but the plot definitely thickens

twin quarry
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Yep I knew it

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I knew they were going the romance route

rose zealot
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You expected differently from Disney?

proud juniper
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What, with Osha crushing on Jecki?

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I don't see how it's a big deal especially since Jecki's you know...fucking dead, and all

light flower
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yeah I didn't get any romance vibes from the episode

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rip jecki tho Prayge

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hope ur funeral goes crazy

misty trout
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wait what

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right gotta go see happened now 🙂

proud juniper
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Not that much tbh

misty trout
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i thought when bro said "I knew they were going the romance route" i thought it was some weird Osha/Mei with "sith" thing or smth

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which was what he said

proud juniper
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ehh

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I don't really care whether or not Osha or Mae get with Qimir

idle fossil
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I'd like to think it's less Osha crushing on Qimir, and more Osha being seduced by the Dark Side.

light flower
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FLUSHED omg seduction

prime mantle
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Well, that is the usual description of the dark side power influence.

vapid fog
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he is not bad looking

idle fossil
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Oh he's not bad looking at all, but it would be a bit forced.

vapid fog
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I guess there is no dark side degradation there

idle fossil
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Dark Side degredation takes time

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Years to take hold

vapid fog
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maybe even using some dark side powers

idle fossil
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Still, I think a romance between them would be forced at this point.

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He's trying to coax her into giving in to her emotions, to acknowledge her failures and... break her chains.

vapid fog
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Considering here she does seem to be attracted to powerful force user

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users

idle fossil
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But none of her interactions have had a shred of romance to them.

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So people unnecessarily shipping Osha and Jecki just because she thought Jecki was talented is exactly that: unnecessary.

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Not every positive interaction has a romantic undercurrent to it.

vapid fog
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its also implied she is attracted to her former master also

idle fossil
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As a father figure, I assure you.

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There is no implication of her wanting to be with Sol in a relationship aspect.

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She just sees him as a father figure.

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Kind of proving my point about unnecessarily shipping/thinking about romance when there is none present haha.

vapid fog
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we shall see

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12 episodes in total?

potent adder
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8

vapid fog
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oh

idle fossil
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Only 2 episodes left.

bright sierra
vivid spear
digital kite
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i'm so happy that there's only two left, after everything, i just hope Sol, and Vernstra lives

bright sierra
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I dont even bother with these articles anymore

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I just wanna experience the show on my own terms

vivid spear
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It's a clear as concrete. maybe we need access to the script to understand what she knows.

misty trout
misty trout
proud juniper
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heh, nekkid

twin quarry
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lol

misty trout
mighty arrow
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hot damn

twin quarry
light flower
vivid spear
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I'm not watching star wars for sex anything, who is watching star wars and expecting sex?

proud juniper
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I don't see anything that says they're expecting sex, just that sex appeal is a perk

idle fossil
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I don't think it's really a perk even.

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No one watches Narnia or Lord of the Rings and expects sex.

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Same thing with Star Wars.

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It's one of the few franchises that should remain, for lack of a better term, unspoiled.

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It's a franchise that, for better or for worse, is accessible to all ages. All ages includes kids. Kids don't need that. Sure, if you want to educate them on what that is, that's your prerogative, but they should never see it.

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Let Lord of the Rings, Narnia, and Star Wars remain sex-less.

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If it were a franchise that wasn't in some way shape or form geared to INCLUDE children as their fanbase, then I'd be more open to the idea of that in Star Wars.

proud juniper
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They did keep it kid-friendly. No nudity was shown. Romance was implied at times but I wouldn't say we need to shield kids from romance. Any female/male gaze stuff that adults are enjoying goes right over young kids' heads

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Star Wars is fairly sexless overall, at least in the stuff rated for all ages

idle fossil
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Oh I know they did, my point is to keep it that way.

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I just didn't think romance/sex was ever even a thought. He got in the water naked, yeah, to take a bath.

proud juniper
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Yeah, I'm sure they will, it is Disney after all

vivid spear
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they may as well waved a sign around him, I get it, he's sexy, but again, it's star wars, not game of thrones, i'm not walking into it expecting sexual anything, it's not really the focus, even the prequels and sequels didn't lean into it this hard.

proud juniper
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You could say sex in the water was implied, or you could also say he was just asking her to take a swim with him

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And I really don't think the appearance of a character's eyeballs/where they're looking is anything to clutch pearls over

prime mantle
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PEARLS MUST BE CLUTCHED WARRRRRRRRRRR

mighty arrow
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ROTJ leaned into the sex stuff pretty hard at first...but it was supposed to be sleazy because it was all Jabba's slaves

glad monolith
glad monolith
glad monolith
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this reminds me of a fanart of Lord Zash I saved in my phone

twin quarry
glad monolith
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it shows no nudity nor sex but still

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I fear of getting some kind of ban

twin quarry
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I hate that I’m curious lol

twin quarry
misty trout
bright sierra
glad monolith
twin quarry
light flower
narrow pine
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tonight's episode in a nutshell

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proud juniper
narrow pine
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how the entire series could have been avoided

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arctic wharf
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Can someone spoil the ep? Can't watch it rn and don't care enough about spoilers

proud juniper
arctic wharf
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I don't get it why did they fight?

proud juniper
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Aniseya turned into this cloud of like...black smoke and Sol got spooked and stabbed her

misty trout
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lmao spooky ghost prank my jedi homies gone wrong *cops called 😱 *

arctic wharf
bright sierra
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interesting episode, but given that we only have one episode left i worry we're not gonna get a very satisfying conclusion

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whats with the credits song lol

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interesting

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not like star wars to do this

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with about 38 minutes runtime we only had like 5 minutes of new information

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which i didnt like given that its only 8 episodes in total

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also god DAMN mother aniseya is so stupid

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i dont say this much but honestly she had it coming after pulling off that stupid as hell stunt

narrow pine
rose zealot
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And all of those witches that were dead? Yeah that got explained too. Not sure how i feel about that.

potent adder
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Which I mean if I am left wanting more. I personally think it’s a good thing. I would make me wanna watch a season 2. But I like the story being built rn.

idle fossil
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Aaand just like that, whatever potential interesting plot was being built up in the last 2 episodes... this one is another flashback episode full of sheer stupidity to the point where I can hear Professor McGonagall saying, but I'm paraphrasing here, "Why is it when something happens it is always you TWO?!"

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Like, with only 45 minutes left at most in the next episode, I don't think they have enough for a resolution to the season or anything that would be satisfying.

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It would be a different story if, say, this episode was done right after the first flashback episode.

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Or at least, since it had so much re-used footage, at least make stuff a post-credit scene or they should've included it all in that episode.

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The placement of this episode completely threw off the vibe for me.

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I'm not in the "I hate this show" crowd at all, let me make that clear. But it is very unfortunate how this may have derailed any momentum the show built over the last few episodes.

narrow pine
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I personally enjoyed the episode though, and am not worried about the conclusion much

idle fossil
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xD

idle fossil
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We think alike 😉

narrow pine
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😁

idle fossil
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But don't get me wrong, I though the action was good but... plotwise I am worried. Torbin was just homesick. Sol wanted to be a savior despite there not being a guaranteed threat to the twins. The Council had denied them the right to bring in the twins. There was barely anything to really be afraid of. The Jedi basically helped to cause the slaughter of an entire coven, and that fire spreading to destroy the whole fortress? That's quite the fire! And Sol holding the bridge?... IT WOULD'VE BEEN EASIER TO JUST FORCE LIFT THE TWINS! THEY WEIGH LESS THAN THE BRIDGE.

potent adder
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The show is supposed to show Jedi/the jedi order as flawed and not in a good light. The giant fuck up that happened on Brendok shows it. I also had a feeling Sol didnt' want to save Mae because she saw him kill her mother and Mae wouldn't have gone with him anyway since she wanted to be with the coven.

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The episode was called Choice. He conciously made the choice to do what he did.

narrow pine
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(which imo ties into your "no guaranteed threat" part)

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just talking could've solved multiple issues XD

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both between each group, and (as Indara tried) with the council

idle fossil
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Yup. All the choices that were made here were asinine.

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And while I expected a more Sith-focused story from the show, I guess I can settle for showing the flaws of the Jedi.

narrow pine
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also I know I'm not the first one to notice this

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but the scars on Qimir's back look like either lightning scars (I forget the fancy/scientific name for them), or whip scars. And the green jedi lady (whos name I also forget. I suck at names) has a whip 👀

idle fossil
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Exactly, I think the actual Sith is Vernestra.

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I think she's the true Sith, not Qimir.

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Qimir is the current Acolyte, Vernestra is just blending in with the Jedi. Qimir was disowned, and therefore wishes to have his own Acolyte.

misty trout
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if that truly is the plot and how it all ends this show ceases to surprise me how badly one can write things

idle fossil
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Honestly, Vernestra being the Sith isn't beyond the realm of possibility. From the very beginning she's tried to keep this under wraps, quiet. Concealed.

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And when she went to the planet where Kelnacca was stationed, she wasn't really surprised or shocked about all the deaths. She kept telling Sol to drop it.

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And the scars on Qimir's back do look like, as nascarlaser said, whip scars to an extent.

narrow pine
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I've suspected she wants to cover stuff up

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Not sure I'll jump on the full "she is the sith" idea

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I wonder if its more "Doesn't want to be responsible for having trained the first sith in X number of years" ego

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(I have not read the books she's in, this is my first introduction to her)

rose zealot
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Qimir is most likely an acolyte himself, gained or turned after his exile, or presumed death. He shows, or if I'm not misinformed because I'm only half paying attention to this and getting my info everywhere else, an interest in the Rule of Two, hence wanting an acolyte that he found in the mc.

The planet he was just on is all but confirming Darth Plageius being a reality. This planet also being a gold mine for cortosis, which Qimir is apparently using to great effect.

Qimir seems to be a Jedi-turned maybe Sith according to the storywriters. They're not outright declaring him one, and they seem to want to deflect calling him an outright Sith towards this first-ever mentioned "Jedi splinter faction(s)" they're cooking up to also maybe explain what Qimir is.

Qimir's scar is obviously a whip-saber burn. Being an ex-Jedi, i would not be surprised if his excommunication was enforced by Vernestra. Or maybe even his padawan training, and he was injured by her during it? It's a possibility, but i doubt next episode it'll come down to that.

Vernestra being a Sith though? No idea. I doubt it, but it appears she isn't fully committed to being a pure Jedi. Perhaps she is one of these "splinter force Jedi?" Regardless, she shows signs of wanting to hide the Jedi Order's operations from the public eye. The audit from that representative clearly seemed to upset her. She is clearly heartless, unconcerned with the current affairs behind keeping it hush-hush, and has skeletons in her closet. But i can't see her being the Sith. The feeling is not there. I'd be surprised if she ended up being the ringleader behind Qimir.

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And for Vernestra, who apparently wants the Coven of Witches "massacre" hidden, and covered up, everybody involved dying helps further that cause. So I'm not surprised she is calloused to their deaths. Unless she is going super deep in to "detachment" that Jedi are supposed to uphold and it's visually or ethically warped in to a sheer aversion for her.

idle fossil
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If there's going to be a second season... good luck there. I really want the show to do well, but it hasn't done anything to really wow or captivate the audience.

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Again, I think people that hate the show because they think it's "woke" or "they have an agenda" or "they're making Star Wars gay" are, excuse my French, kriffing stupid.

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The show has a good chunk of flaws. But it's not worth hating.

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It's not like X-Men Origins: Wolverine, or any attempt at the Phoenix like The Last Stand or Dark Phoenix.

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The biggest wow moment was the cliffhanger ending where Qimir Force Pushes everyone, and then the resulting fight after, particularly the gruesome kills he executed. Other than that, it has had interesting situations and moments of intrigue, but nothing to truly invest in yet.

rose zealot
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It's been extremely boring, and in most episodes, has done almost nothing to further its own plot. We're almost at the end and we don't even know if the show is actually about the twins anymore xD "The Acolyte". Is... Who exactly? Because it seems to be Qimir at the moment. Don't tell me it just shifted from Mae to Osha and that's it....

glad olive
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Star Wars has zero vision at the moment

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It doesn’t know what it wants to be

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There’s still no script for the Rey movie despite announcing it

idle fossil
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It has been a letdown. That's for sure. But at least we're getting something.

glad olive
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I’d rather have nothing than whatever this, it feels so uncreative and exists only to please shareholders

prime mantle
proud juniper
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It’s not perfect but I’m still enjoying it

idle fossil
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I do want to elaborate on my saying it's a letdown. It's not at all what I expected. I wasn't expecting anything to blow me away, but I expected a truly Sith-focused story. And the plot/writing have been flimsy at best. BUT. The performances, Sol's in particular, have been good.

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Sol's performance is sublime. The fact the actor learned English just for the role, should garner respect in and of itself.

proud juniper
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Lee Jung-jae killin’ it yep

idle fossil
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Thanks for his name! I was blanking out.

misty trout
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don't like it?

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cool

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don't watch it

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don't support it

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stay away from it

glad olive
idle fossil
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This is true.

muted raven
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I personally don't like the show, I don't go around shitting on it despite that. I've heard some people enjoy it tho and they are free to do that.

I actually wanna hear what they like about the show, since they have a different perspective from me

idle fossil
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The only thing that comes to mind is the "vergence"

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Basically leading to Anakin being conceived by the Force as a vergence himself?

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That's a possible interpretation

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One that I'm not particularly fond of, but an interpretation nonetheless.

glad olive
idle fossil
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Also true

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Moreso the choreography/performances.

potent adder
# muted raven I personally don't like the show, I don't go around shitting on it despite that....

I enjoy the show. I not a die hard fan who nitpicks everything. I watch it at face value and enjoy it. The actors are great, the fighting is great. I also enjoy the story telling. From the beginning I was left wanting to know more and I enjoy a good mystery and cliff hanger. I also am enjoying that 99% of the characters are original characters that we knew nothing about, so I get to watch their character come to light through the show. The only annoying thing I find about the show is the episode and season length. 8 episodes is too small for shows and episodes ranging from 28-48 mins is rough.

idle fossil
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But yeah. There's little that's truly memorable or will stand the test of time.

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And to be clear, I'm not trying to nitpick at all so if that's how I've been coming across, I apologize

misty trout
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Well, another point for me is this show is sometimes too dark

idle fossil
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I'd just be lying if I thought the show was perfect. And I'm all about honesty being the best policy. I'd rather never hurt anyone, but I'd rather hurt someone with the truth as opposed to a lie. ^_^ So while there have been good things in the show, I can't ignore the things that are not, you know?

misty trout
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Like literally

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Cant see anythibg on screen

idle fossil
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Thankfully not as dark as The Long Night/Battle of Winterfell...

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THAT was dark.

muted raven
# potent adder I enjoy the show. I not a die hard fan who nitpicks everything. I watch it at fa...

my main nitpicks are not that horrible honestly. I find the characters pretty bland. Them being original characters wannat a more thorough look into who they are, what their motivations are and that kind of stuff to make us invested in them. That hasn't been the shows strongsuit imo. Especially when some of them died and I personally went "oh... well that sucks? I didn't really get a good sense of them"

potent adder
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No show is ever perfect, expecting perfection is expecting disappointment.

idle fossil
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Oh absolutely

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I don't think anyone expected perfection.

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Nothing is perfect in life. Not even deities are perfect. Anything and everything is flawed to some extent.

muted raven
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I didn't personally expect anything perfect. I love a lot of imperfect things because there are things I enjoy with them.

that isn't why don't like the show that it isn't perfect

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to be on star wars topic, the prequels are not at all perfect. But I massively enjoy them

potent adder
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Shrug2 you asked for a opinion of someone who enjoys the show. I provided.

muted raven
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Oh I'm not faulting you or anything, sorry if it came across that way

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I appreciate you saying what you enjoyed

idle fossil
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The Lord of the Rings trilogy is perfection though.

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I will take no refusal.

muted raven
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My main reason for not liking it is how the story is presented because I misses a lot of marks I find important like exploring the different characters and the likes. It's too short because the 8 episode format is fucking garbage yea
You enjoyed the story telling, thus I'm personally pretty intruiged by that. Still autistic as I am I know it is hard to explain why you like something

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sometimes something just tickles the brain the right way

proud juniper
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the 8 episodes and episode length does seem to hurt it

glad olive
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Personally making a show set during the High Republic seems very risky and inherently narratively weak

muted raven
glad olive
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It’s difficult to make a show set during a golden age because conflict largely drives narratives

muted raven
proud juniper
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I know someone did an edit of the Obi-Wan show that's allegedly superior

muted raven
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I think this show would fair better with shorter episodes so you don't have to pad out the runtime

muted raven
proud juniper
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Not off the top of my head

muted raven
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darn

proud juniper
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I haven't seen it, just heard people talk about it, maybe if you Google it

muted raven
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I might now that I know about it at least

potent adder
# muted raven My main reason for not liking it is how the story is presented because I misses ...

I enjoy the story telling because its telling a story about a Jedi/group of Jedi fucking up, and then covering it up and now facing the consequences of it. We knew something bad happened on Brendok. It was building up to it. I enjoy when media shows the "good guys" as not so good guys. Is it a super strong story? No. But I am enjoying it nontheless because its doing what its doing. I am also enjoying the Qimir thing as well. He had such a interesting way of trying to get Osha on his side, it was less of a aggressive and more of a alluring way of it. Shows a different side to dark side gamers.

muted raven
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the sexy dark side

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as an imp player, very apt

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I would like to have seen more from the perspective of Qimir, the dark side guy instead of the Jedi

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but that's just a wish

potent adder
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might see it in Season 2. If he survives. There are some theories he dies to a a actual sith. There is a actor who is confirmed for the show who has yet to make a appearance.

muted raven
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I also agree that the premise was interesting, just that the execution of it left me wanting

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jedi being bad or doing bad things is always gonna be a nice nuance to the whole "good guys vs bad guys"

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It is why I like played LS sith, cuz I enjoy watching jedi or republic guys being surprised and confused when my sith goes "ok you can go :)"

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I enjoy the story telling because its telling a story about a Jedi/group of Jedi fucking up
Mae did set the fire tho and the witches attacked so imo it was more self-defense

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still the concept is cool

potent adder
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They overstepped their boundaries. They were told no. Sol and Torbin went anyway. They should have not gone back to begin with. Those actions led to the mother dying which led to the rest of them getting taken out.

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Then they chose to cover it up and lie.

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lie/not tell the whole truth.

proud juniper
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Lie by omission, yep

rose zealot
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Except, from what I'm seeing and what I'm hearing, the Jedi aren't the bad guys in this instance? A Witch pulled a dumb move, jump scared a Jedi and got impaled for it. Then a bunch of Witches tried to mind control a Wookie, who happened to be a Jedi, to make him fight other Jedi, then died or went vegetable once they got severed in the force connection they made to said Wookie.

I fail to see how this makes the Jedi bad. Covering it up surely casts a scrutinizing gaze upon it though, but like...

Also, they went back, but one of the daughters clearly wanted to become a Jedi. They were supposed to what, just ignore her? It's not like they showed up to literally steal her by force, or am i wrong about that? They showed up, in peace again, to try to persuade our reason her becoming a Jedi, then people did dumb things and bam.

proud juniper
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It's a gray area

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nobody's 100% good or 100% bad in this scenario

muted raven
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It was a fuck up, but I feel the Witches made the situation worse 100%

potent adder
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They disregarded the command of the council, to do their own thing which was clouded by emotion. Emotion of Sol wanting to "protect the child" and Torbin wanting to go home.

muted raven
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I mean one mom did tell Mae to kill people

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not exactly very cool

proud juniper
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Did she? I missed that part

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oh wait, I think I know what you mean

rose zealot
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Did he have reason to believe that Osha was in any danger?

potent adder
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He assumed what the withces were doing was bad

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witches*

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Both parties are in the fault here. But my point was that the jedi are included in that and I enjoy it. The jedi did not do a good thing.

proud juniper
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ye

potent adder
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They were directly told to leave them alone. They chose not to. It led to them all basically dying

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and they all felt the guilt of it. Its why Torbin did what he did and why Kelnacca went into Exile

muted raven
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If there is a season 2. I do hope they take some of the criticism, like the dialogue being paper, and apply it. The whole "wokeness" that some people cry about can rightly just fuck off tho

proud juniper
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mhmm

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the dialogue has been uneven

muted raven
rose zealot
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Well, it is a secretive society of force using individuals that aren't under Republic law. He has enough right there to cast at least some suspicion or scrutiny. Or are we going to pretend that this didn't also happen with the Witches of Dathomir, but it was okay there?

Did he mishandle it? Maybe. I could see him attempting to stay and observe in order to absolve his suspicions, however unfounded or not they are or might be. But that's just not how the story was written.

proud juniper
potent adder
muted raven
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I think we all can agree it is all weirdly written and presented. What people enjoy however can be very single focused

potent adder
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I dont find it weirdly written and presented.

proud juniper
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Weirdly written dialogue at times, but not always

muted raven
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apologies for assuming that then

proud juniper
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and nah I didn't really think it was weirdly presented either, pretty standard

potent adder
# rose zealot Well, it is a secretive society of force using individuals that aren't under Rep...

Youre right, it is a exiled coven not under republic law. However they were told to leave it be. Not bother with it. Continue with their research. They chose to break into the mining facility. They then decided to test the twins. They were then told by the council this time, to leave it be. They chose not to. He let his suspicions and lack of information of what is happening get the better of him and killed the mother. Which then led to the unraveling of everything else.

muted raven
# potent adder The narrative changes. You root for Sol at first because it seemed he saved Osh...

We knew from the start because the mystery in the show never stays around for more than one episode. We already knew the Jedi weren't the good guys because why else would they be very apprehensive about the whole ordeal. The mystery was simply the details of exactly what happened. To me that doesn't change the narrative or flip Sol being a bad guy. He simply assumed wrong and yes lived with the consequences. But is that really deserving of death?

proud juniper
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I don't think anybody argued someone was deserving of death

muted raven
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the consequences have been death so far

proud juniper
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That was Mae's goal, at least for a while

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We now know that she saw Sol kill her mother right in front of her, so it's understandable that would mess her up and put her on a path to vengeance

potent adder
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Yea that was what Mae was told she needed to do. It was part of her final task. Most likely as apart of her revenege for what happened.

muted raven
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that is true, however she also set fire to her sisters abode so she couldn't go with the jedi by the orders of her other mom.

potent adder
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I do not think she meant to set the place on fire. She set the book on fire which spread into the wires.

muted raven
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The moms did seem to have conflicting ideas

potent adder
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You saw her panic and poorly attempting to stomp it out.

proud juniper
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And we now know she accidentally set the fire. She only meant to burn that little Jedi booklet but it started to spread

potent adder
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She was a kid and very emotionally driven.

muted raven
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Preventing your sister from doing something she wants to do by the order of your mom is to me a pretty dick move

proud juniper
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It wasn't just the mom's order. Mae didn't want Osha to leave her

muted raven
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still a dick move

proud juniper
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Yeah, but again, she's a kid, kids are stupid and have problems with emotional regulation

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and a single consciousness split into 2 bodies? I imagine that made things worse as well

potent adder
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Im not disagreeing that Mae wasn't a already "fucked up" child. But it helps explain why she is also willingly and driven to kill the Jedi. Her task is to kill a jedi unarmed. But she still kills 2 of them with a "weapon". She is emotionally driven.

rose zealot
muted raven
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I wonder if they will flip tho that Mae becomes the light side and Osha the dark side

proud juniper
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That's what it looks like they're doing

muted raven
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or goes to the different sides

potent adder
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She was attached to her family and sister. She watched as her sister was begging to leave and then watched as her mother died. Then assumably finds the rest of them dead. Its not a shocker she wanted revenge on the ones who she blames.

muted raven
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I wouldnt be surprised if they went that route

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which to me is predictable and I would have liked to be surprised about it

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still remains to be seen

rose zealot
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I'll concede that the Jedi were ordered twice to not pursue Osha/Mae and leave the Coven alone. They shouldn't have been there to spark any further conflict, sure.

muted raven
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that makes me wonder actually

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in this time, the jedi would have been seen around the galaxy with a good eye no? Why would the Coven then dislike them in a way. I would have liked to see that explored

idle fossil
potent adder
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I viewed it as they didn't want their kid/s being taken to become Jedi. They knew they would be considered force sensitive and the jedi would have taken them in. They also could have something to do with their exile.

idle fossil
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So the way he was talking to Osha, he's not trying to seduce her in the... well, personal manner. He's trying to seduce her ideologically, get her to understand why from his point of view, the Dark Side is more liberating.

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Which it is.

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Not all Sith are psycopaths. Case in point, Darth Vectivus.

potent adder
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I am aware that is what he is doing. I didnt want to use the word seducing because people would get the wrong idea.

idle fossil
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Who I don't recall whether or not he's still considered legends or canon

idle fossil
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But it is the truth.

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The Dark Side in and of itself is seductive. It has a stronger, more convicing pull, more alluring, than the Light Side.

muted raven
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I think as Yoda states in the OG trilogy "it is easy, powerful"

idle fossil
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It is. Because it is harder to be a (mostly) celibate, emotionally drained/stunted, monk.

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The Sith and the Jedi are quite literally religions.

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NO I am not making real life comparisons. I'm just calling them what they are.

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🙂

muted raven
idle fossil
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At least, not confirmed to be.

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Just another Force Sensitive coven.

muted raven
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I know hence why I am wondering

idle fossil
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Oh yeah I was interested to know who they are.

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And why they're even exiled. I'm in the same boat with you.

muted raven
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It is one of my main peeves with the show, that so many things are unexplored. Characters feel shallow and we only get surface level information about them.

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They are there in the plot moving it forward

idle fossil
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Exactly.

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Like, that's why this last episode kind of derailed the momentum being built by the Qimir arc.

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It's going to feel weird going back into it after such a large derailment.

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Not impossible, but the investment into that specific story has been paused by the positioning of the episode.

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As I said earlier today 😛

muted raven
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I think, once again, it is because the format of the show wouldn't allow for that needed information to blend into it.

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smoothly at least

idle fossil
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Yeah

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If there is a season 2, which again because I do want this story to have, if not a good, an interesting conclusion.

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I certainly hope they learn from their mistakes this season.

muted raven
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I think I'll have to watch it all b2b when the finale is here so I can get a better sense of the wobbliness of the story

idle fossil
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I can't overstate the overhatred that this show got, but I hope that because even in that overhatred there are some valid critiques, the showrunners get the memo.

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For example, what we are all talking about, we are all giving valid/fair points of view.

muted raven
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oh the hate it not at all valid

idle fossil
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We're pointing out the good, but also acknowledging the bad and the decent.

muted raven
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like it is fine if you don't like it, but that doesn't mean you need to hate it???

idle fossil
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Hate is loud.

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And it is a minority.

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Love is softer, but a majority.

muted raven
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I don't like the show but in no shape or form do I hate it

idle fossil
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Exactly.

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I'm not hating on the actors, the writers, the showrunners, nothing.

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Simply pointing things out as to what I thought, and how I think it could be better.

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But neither you nor I are the arbiters of good taste... except when it comes to the Lord of the Rings trilogy.

muted raven
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this reminds me I need to watch the Ride of the Rohirrim again

idle fossil
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It's a ritual

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A must watch.

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A must EXPERIENCE.

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And to jam out to the music.

muted raven
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Also I'd like to say that I'm sorry if I seemed rude or hostile. I'm very straight forward and sometimes ask things like "why do you like that? I didn't like that" because I am genuinely interested but it comes across as "you can't like that". I'm actually autistic, I didn't say it before as some kind of joke. I am, so social interaction is not exactly my strongsuit but I do like star wars so I love to talk and discuss stuff about it

idle fossil
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I'm autistic too

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AUTISTIC SUPERPOWERS!

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😛

muted raven
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splendid

idle fossil
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Indeed!

proud juniper
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many of us are neurodivergent

idle fossil
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As we all should be!

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NEURODIVERGENT SUPREMACY HELL YEAH

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(Sarcasm, if it wasn't clear. But yeeeeah being neurodivergent rocks 😉 )

vivid spear
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Idk about the show, I was originally under the impression from their marketing that this would be a Sith focused show and instead we got a show that makes the galaxy out to be bigets, which is impressive because star wars in EU didn't care who was gay or straight, or what color you were in a relationship, even had interspecies ones as common. Just look at Boba Fett's best and only friend in EU Bevin who's openly and casually gay, married to an older man, and together with him has a family of adopted children, and no one reacts to that in anyway what so ever because that's utterly normal and common in the galaxy to the point where it's not of interest, it's just there.
Meanwhile This show wanted you to see how flawed, arrogant, and stupid the Jedi were. which is also weird because during the High Republic times according to Disney, this was a time of peace, exploration, glory, and safety for the Republic, a time where the Jedi were revered as heroes and bridge builders across the galaxy, accept for this group of Jedi clowns apparently. 🤷🏾‍♀️
Disney's so focused on making the Jedi look bad, that they forgot to make the rest of the story look good. and personally if they try to make Jedi Master Vernestra a Sith hiding among the jedi, that will be extremely stupid from both a plot and story telling point, even Palpatine knew that just being as close as he was to the Jedi to finalize his schemes, was an extreme risk that would inevitably lead to his discovery, which is why he has so many gambits tossed out across the Jedi just to buy himself time and even then it only worked because Palpatine got lucky, plain and simple, he took risks and quickly rode on the odds to a win that could have easily been a loss.
Honestly if all Disney wanted to do here was telling a story of mistakes being made, they should have focused on that, on two powerful personalities, two groups butting heads at the worst moment and it leading to disaster.

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That would be interesting, that would have had mystery for the twins to uncover separately and then eventually together. a far better story of two rigidly different women with the same face coming together to uncover a terrible crime and bring the men who did to justice both personal and legal, which could explain the careful slide from fame into infamy that the Jedi experienced between the High Republic and the prequel era.

proud juniper
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"makes the galaxy out to be bigots" Not sure where you're getting this one, I don't recall anyone saying anything bigoted on the show

vivid spear
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"The galaxy hates us for what we are" - that's a direct line from episode 3 of this show.

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You watched it too, you saw her say it.

proud juniper
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Because they use the Force in an unaccepted way, because the Jedi have a monopoly on who should use the Force and how

vivid spear
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Maybe she implied it for nothing beyond their coven being different, but Disney's actress confirmed they were all gay women and force sensitive. so which one do you think she referred?

proud juniper
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It's the former, because they're witches

vivid spear
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If you say so, I think Jodie Turner-Smith would disagree.

proud juniper
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I very much doubt she was referring to lesbians, since we see plenty of same-sex relationships in the High Republic novels and no one was complaining about those

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We see them in the Old Republic as well, though that's Legends now

vapid fog
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is whats his name master the Dooku or Windu of his era or something?

proud juniper
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Maybe the actress has different ideas, but that doesn't change the lore. Actors are allowed their own view on things that doesn't necessarily reflect what the media is trying to convey

vapid fog
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He is like crazy good at fighting

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even beat the sith lord who its clear was the apprentice.

idle fossil
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Yeah, don't bring sexuality into this. Speaking of which, love is love. Anyone who still has that backwards idea that "love is love" is false, bring yourself into the present.

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Sexuality has never been a factor in Star Wars.

rose zealot
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Dragon, try explaining that a bit? I don't quite understand what you mean.

idle fossil
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Master Sol?

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Or Master Vernestra?

rose zealot
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Ohhh, i think i get it

vapid fog
rose zealot
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I don't think Sol, if the frontrunner lead Jedi Master of the Acolyte show is who you are referring to, is the Mace Windu of this era.

He's more of a Dooku-like character, but he hasn't fallen to the dark side or fully given up or anything on the Jedi. He is still a Jedi Master and in the Order, despite his misgivings about what has transpired in this show.

idle fossil
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I wouldn't say so? He sure can fight, but I don't think he'd be comparable to Dooku or Windu.

potent adder
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The show itself is not at all relating to sexuality in any sense. They clearly meant the fact that they are witches and use the force as a "unnatural" way. Lol. Even then, to dislike the show cause there could be potential space lesbians is funky in itself.

idle fossil
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We'd need a lot more content of Sol fighting to even compare the 3

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Dooku literally specialized in Makashi during a time when no one did.

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And Windu invented a whole variant to Form VII (Juyo) known as Vaapad.

rose zealot
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Windu was terrifying in combat anyway lol. His force ability is nuts.

idle fossil
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Yup

vapid fog
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True but Sol seems to be a master of ataru cause he hits a lot with martial arts less with lightsaber

idle fossil
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He made Form VII "acceptable" to be used as a Jedi because of Vaapad. And yet I think there were less than a handful of Vaapad users if I'm not mistaken?

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Actual Form VII is shunned by the Jedi.

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Juyo was shunned, and Vaapad was scarcely used in terms of how many Jedi could even be allowed to learn it.

idle fossil
vapid fog
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Pretty sure Windu used a hybrid form of fighting not always form VII vaapad

idle fossil
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Absolutely, but Vaapad was his baby is what I'm saying.

rose zealot
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The saddest part is that with each body blow made, is a guaranteed or potential hit you could have made with the lightsaber. You broke through their guard and landed a hit. SabineFacepalm

vapid fog
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I do not think he wanted to kill

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To be fair I doubt the sith lord expected to get his ass kicked

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He really thought he was superior to all the jedi there

rose zealot
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He kind of was though.

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And sorry, but Osha should have been outright murdered by him. She was not even a fully trained padawan. No way she didn't get annihilated like her friend did. LanaFacepalm

vapid fog
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She was more focused then her friend

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And more skilled even if just a padawan

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The knight was a disgrace

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He did not do well in combat

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Also Osha was trained by Sol and its clear he was good at it.

rose zealot
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More focused does not make up for the detriment of no training. She might remember her combat form, but her friend was far more trained than she was, connected a few good hits that were guarded against, then got destroyed.

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She was barely trained. She was not an apprentice for that long at all before running away.

vapid fog
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Talent also matters

proud juniper
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"m-count"

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and people were like "they didn't want to say the word" BossLUL

vapid fog
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Also depends on what your master is. If your master like Sol is a active participant where you see action quite a lot you develop a lot in that area

rose zealot
proud juniper
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I never got that bent out of shape over midichlorians but I guess that's just me

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

vivid spear
proud juniper
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aww, Hayden

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what a goober

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❤️

rose zealot
# vapid fog Also depends on what your master is. If your master like Sol is a active partici...

But we don't know how much combat that they saw. I never heard of anything along those lines.

Also, this is at the height of the Republic's peace and goodwill. I doubt he saw very much, if any at all, outside of this series' Witch coven.

She was barely a Padawan. She remembered the combat form's stance, as we saw with the dumb scene at the planet where Smylo went skinny dipping. But it doesn't translate in to combat experience. She has been a mechanic jumping around the galaxy fixing ships as problems arises on them as a mechanic. When and where did she train? Because for years, we can't assume she had any.

Like i said, and I'll stand by it, she should have been annihilated like her friend was. Makes no sense she died and yet Osha's somehow superior enough to survive with no training under her belt for years, being a runaway Padawan shortly in to her tutelage, and she fares much better than trained Jedi and other apprentices all with varying ranges of greater training than her. Talent alone does not suffice, no matter how much you may want it to. 🤷 That's my stance away.

vapid fog
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Oh wait Osha one of the twins

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I thought you meant the padawan who gave trouble to the sith lord

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She actually acted from behind the lord

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that is how he lost

rose zealot
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Oh no. I forgot her name, but i am referring to her as 'the friend' xD

vapid fog
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not a lot of direct action more like size the moment

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Also its a high possibility the sith lord did not wanted her dead

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and when you hold back your chances of getting hurt are high

rose zealot
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Of course. And that possibility is there, sure. But i can't see a reason why at that moment he would care about sparing Osha. If I'm being honest, he seemed like he was ready to write off and kill Mae. Osha wouldn't be a concern of his. I just can't see it.

vivid spear
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He definitively wants the twins, because he's lonely or something idk. ,-,

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So he does hold back on them.

glad monolith
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Juhani from KOTOR

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She reminds me of certain person I met one year prior to start playing the game

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seeing something related to The Acolyte always makes me remember certain bad anime

prime mantle
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You really need to either name the anime, or just stop referring to it like some vague "bad" thing.

rose zealot
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Who what?

bright sierra
idle fossil
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I'll be the first person to say I don't watch anime simply due to not really being intrigued by it, but that doesn't mean I dislike/hate anime. It's either not my cup of tea or I simply haven't given it a proper chance yet and it's something I should remedy BossLUL

mighty arrow
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Anime was a mistake

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Its nothing but harems

rose zealot
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🤔 there's plenty of non-harem anime.

mighty arrow
idle fossil
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Usually the manga is better than the anime

mighty arrow
misty trout
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why does this guy hate anime?

rose zealot
idle fossil
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Nothing wrong with that! 🙂

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Everyone has different tastes ^_^

mighty arrow
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So he doesnt actually say what is in the subtitles

glad monolith
idle fossil
glad monolith
idle fossil
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What is its name?

glad monolith
idle fossil
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That’s what I’m curious about

glad monolith
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if I mention it censored everyone would think I am commenting censored bad words

idle fossil
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???

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That… is odd

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The censorship, not what you said

glad monolith
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if I had to mention it to you I would do it via DMs instead

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I will not mention it here

idle fossil
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It must’ve scarred you deeply to warrant such a reaction. Out of respect I won’t ask what it is anymore.

glad monolith
prime mantle
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send the name to me via DM is fine

idle fossil
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If you want sure

idle fossil
rose zealot
glad monolith
rose zealot
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Does it have 3 words in the name, and starts with a B, ends in an o?

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Because if it's that one, I'm sure nobody here would hold that against you. But that's not a metric i would judge all of animation by.

prime mantle
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Let's move on from this conversation. 1 - it's not related to The Acolyte, and 2 - Information is not, and will not be forthcoming from TheRose beyond her vague commentary as stated above. Move the conversation to #1048794690180366416 if you're going to continue it.

rose zealot
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Sure thing

idle fossil
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Anyway, I do hope the finale does something to want people to watch a second season.

rose zealot
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I'm not expecting much personally.

idle fossil
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Because though I want the show to succeed, I’m starting to lose hope in it.

prime mantle
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they will

glad monolith
idle fossil
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I’m happy about the flaws of the Jedi being shown, but for a show called The Acolyte, it needed more focus on its namesake. Which by extension, means more focus on Sith training and we haven’t really gotten that sadly. But again, there’s redeeming/positive qualities in the show regardless

rose zealot
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There is a show beneath all of this, one that maybe i could have enjoyed, but i feel it's got bad writing and bad execution. Especially for the budget. Jesus. A lot of this show looks and feels fan made to me. The best bits is the combat choreography. That is up to par and done exceptionally well. As much as i hate this show and its execution, i can recognize that it actually had potential. Or, at least potential to me.

But i agree on the naming of the show and the expectation of that name. I'm pretty sure I'm not alone in that i was fully expecting an actual Sith-focused story here, told by or through the training of an Acolyte, but that honestly has not been the case. We got some of that, but also not really.

idle fossil
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Exactly

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The only true Acolyte experience I felt, was when Osha and Qimir were on that planet

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That's it.

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It definitely had potential, but the writing was what made this show limp through its season.

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I can't say there was a problem with the performances either. They did well.

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The intent to make something amazing was there. It's the execution where they failed.

potent adder
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I feel like you guys underestimate how much things cost. I honestly think s 180 mil budget is cheap for a Disney project. Especially in star wars. I mean they gotta pay all the people who work on it, CGI, Editors, Camera equipment, the makeup artists for all the aliens alone as well.

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There was a interview the director did saying the finale will answer how the twins were made, but alot of other questions will go unanswered and will have to wait. Its either we get a season 2 or everyone walks away unsatisfied cause they aren't going to wrap everything up.

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While I hope for a season 2. Apart of me also doesnt. Simply because the hate towards the show and actors was insane and I don't want that to continue.

idle fossil
# potent adder I feel like you guys underestimate how much things cost. I honestly think s 180 ...

I don’t like seeing a story not have a conclusion. I’m ok with a cliffhanger knowing there will be another season or book or movie, but if there isn’t a season 2 that would bring the exact conclusion - or lack thereof - I just mentioned. And I agree, the hate has been stupid, bigoted, ignorant, I could go on and on. All my critiques have been about the show’s product and creative direction, never towards an individual person.

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You’re also right. 180 mil is kind of cheap by Disney standards in the modern era

potent adder
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Well unfortunately it has been said they want a season 2 from the start. Planned for a season 2. If they don't get one. Unanswered questions will be the end of the show.

idle fossil
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Well. Good luck to the show.

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We’ll see what happens

rose zealot
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And I'm not sure what there is to explain about the twins' creation? Has that not already been revealed? Does it need further explanation?

vivid spear
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The only compliment I can give the Acolyte is that I am impressed the lengths Lee Jung-Jae went to star in it, learned english, studied every other actor who played the role of a Jedi to get an idea of how he should act. Lots of work, lots of dedication.

proud juniper
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I think some people need to accept the fact that they just mostly don’t like Star Wars anymore. There are those of us enjoying some of the new content while realizing it’s not perfect, yet we have to deal with a constant bombardment of “this sucks, that sucks, Disney sucks, Kathleen Kennedy sucks” over and over again on a loop. We get it, old stuff good, new stuff bad. Maybe consider that this IP isn’t for you anymore, and move onto something you like a lot better, so you’re not constantly complaining and being a buzzkill. It’ll be better for everyones’ mental health

ashen spire
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I believe i saw a article by the showrunner that season 2 would center more around "The Strangers." story which would be cool.

ashen spire
potent adder
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I think some people also need to wait until something is fully out as well. You had the first 4 episodes of Acolyte being "star wars ruining" "the worst show ever" and then episode 5 came out and people were enjoying it. Its okay to not watch things on a week to week basis.

proud juniper
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Yeah, sometimes it’s better to wait and binge, I do think the show’s format hurts it

misty trout
idle fossil
misty trout
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disney bought a money printing machine that was SW

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it should have easily helped them make more money had they simple continued George Lucas's work

proud juniper
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Yeah, I wasn’t trying to attack someone in particular, just talking about a lot of negativity in general

misty trout
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but they wanted to experiment and push down their own agendas and well we see how its ended up

vivid spear
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My issue is I like good writing, and I like the lore to be the lore, like if you constantly change the lore, Then it ceases to be what you were enjoying, it's now just something new. top that off with consistently bad writing and it's not enjoyable to me at all.

rose zealot
# proud juniper I think some people need to accept the fact that they just mostly don’t like Sta...

You know, we hear these arguments too. And i don't actually agree with it. Because it also insinuates that people are complaining to just complain, and that they contain no valid criticism or critique of the material in question. This even gets said to people who's critiques are massively in depth of the material in question. I'm not even totally on the other side of the fence that hates current Star Wars, and i can say I'm more tired of hearing this than i am tired of hearing "Star Wars sucks!" And everything else. Because i recognize that if that is as widespread as it is, there must be a reason for it. And telling people to pick up and move on and stop complaining, in my eyes, just ain't it.

idle fossil
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Because I’m far from that

misty trout
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ngl, while some newer fans will enjoy it, calling your main audience racist, sexist and bombarding them back after making shitty show after show is gonna have its tolll

idle fossil
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This is true

misty trout
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idts acolyte if released alone would have ever caused such an outrage to be completely honest

vivid spear
misty trout
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but its the snowballing effect that's caused fans to "snap"

potent adder
vivid spear
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I don't think every disney actor has some agenda, but Disney executives clearly do.

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They should go back to focusing on money and focus less on trying to be a social political market. There is no profit in that.

rose zealot
ashen spire
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Rather sure the Executives at disney just want to make money. High chance alot of stuff doesnt make it up to them or goes past lucasfim

potent adder
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There is no justification for racism or sexism.

vivid spear
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Yeah, it also didn't help that before the show even aired they were accussing white people of being bigeted towards it...like what? it's not even out...

rose zealot
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I'm not saying there is. I'm just saying I'm not surprised people reacted.

potent adder
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People were being bigeted towards it.

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People did in fact, hate it from the trailer alone.

misty trout
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you took Kenobi, one of the most beloved characters, made a show with him and darth vader

the flagship characters of the franchaise and you make it about some unknown character

you convieniently make her boring and dull and unrelatble but specifically make her black so any critism given can be passed of as "you is racist"

genuienly idk how LGBTQ folks and minorities fall for this shit thinking they are being "represented" when disney is using them as a scapegoat for shitty projects, dumping out whatever trash they can for as little as possible

proud juniper
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There’s this thing where people say racist and sexist things, and then get called racist/sexist, and then you have people spinning that into “Disney is calling all fans or all people with criticism racist/sexist” which just isn’t true

ashen spire
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Alot of folks did hate on it before it came out, im seeing hate towards skeleton crew rn and we no next to zero of what that will be

misty trout
vivid spear
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I still really want Disney audited, because there is some big pricetag's to some of their content, that can not possibly be spent on it.

misty trout
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cuz while i do know those exist, the racism and sexism bts are blown out of proportion to cover up for actual criticism

proud juniper
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The bigoted criticism does drown out the legit respectful criticism

potent adder
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Imma get timed out or deleted for this.

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idle fossil
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This show has been disproportionately overhated, for reasons that have notjing to do with the show

rose zealot
potent adder
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this is what I sent Zel the day it aired

vivid spear
misty trout
idle fossil
misty trout
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that's genuinely a messed up thing to say

idle fossil
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People being hateful for the sake of being loud

potent adder
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rage bait or not, people kept mirroring its words. Its not good regardless.

idle fossil
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They’re the vocal minority

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Not defending it at all

misty trout
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but the 1st one is actually true, wistleblower did reveal disney particularly and actively discriminates against while heterosexual men

potent adder
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I am not saying the whole fanbase is at fault, but to simply say there hasnt been any racism or sexism in the fan base is just untrue.

rose zealot
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InfosecMike is likely referring to the fact that a lot of Disney showrunners have been coming out as anti-white. 🤷‍♀️ i think we're on the third consecutive racist showrunner?

potent adder
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NO THEY DONT. WHAT

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THERE IS SO MANY WHITE MALES IN ACOLYTE HUHHHHH

ashen spire
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High chance torbin is white

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Like high chance

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The dude from the same temple and pandawan was also white

misty trout
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didn't say the acolyte project but there was a leak on it

idle fossil
ashen spire
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Ro's padawan also white, total nerd, but a white nerd

vivid spear
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There's probably a big disconnect between older fans who lived to see the OT and prequels, and the new fans who started with sequels and then walked back to see the original works, and the two are very, very different, different tone, different values, different focus on how the franchise should work, so I do see that triggering people too.

potent adder
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Who are the main three in Star Wars? Leia, Luke, Han?
Prequels? Obiwan, Anakin, Padme?
Sequels? Kylo, Rey, Finn

Just because they are now giving spotlight to POC doesn't mean they are excluding white males lol

misty trout
rose zealot
idle fossil
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I do prefer the OT and Prequels over the Sequels, but that’s just due to story/plot. However, that doesn’t mean I hate the Sequels or those that worked on them.

proud juniper
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Yeah, a lot of this “racist showrunner” or “Disney discriminates against white men” stuff comes from questionable sources and/or stuff taken out of context, but people are very quick to believe it

idle fossil
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I thought the main 3 of the Sequels were fine. Do I wish their stories were done differently? Absolutely. But that’s it

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The actors were great

vivid spear
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They could always try to side step the focus on race by having the core cast be alien's.

mighty arrow
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Whats a star wars

proud juniper
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It’s a war with a star in it

potent adder
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Just because Disney is now leading towards giving spotlight to more POC and women does not mean its Anti White. For years you have disney movies featuring white characters. They are now making shows and movies with a POC/woman main character and its amazing. Its letting people feel represented.

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leaning*

idle fossil
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This leads me to the Little Mermaid outrage.

misty trout
idle fossil
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Over Ariel not being white... IT'S A BLOODY MERMAID

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A MYTHICAL CREATURE

vivid spear
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I don't recall seeing the main cast for acolyte being anti-white, I do remember her being interviewed and basically saying she was super gay or all for making star wars more gay, but even that's iffy because I haven't bothered to watch interviews yet.

ashen spire
vivid spear
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Can someone get a source on the lead being anti-white?

idle fossil
idle fossil
potent adder
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Yea she wanted to "make star wars more gay" by not having any sexuality or anything in the show. But yet people complain

misty trout
mighty arrow
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As a white male I couldnt care less if a character is male, female, white, coloured. I just want good characters. So if they want to have female or people of colour characters, go nuts, just write em good

vivid spear
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Luke was handled poorly, you can make the argument that Harrison Ford as usual just wanted his character dead and gone, but they mishandled Mark's character so badly, it didn't help at all that Luke basically is star wars.

idle fossil
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This I agree with. A reboot didn't need to happen.

misty trout
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its a lazy reboot made to "please" people

idle fossil
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We've had too many too recently.

potent adder
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The reboot was pretty good though. It was enjoyable to watch. It wasnt a 1:1 copy and had different scenes.

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I enjoyed it

idle fossil
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If they were to happen once or twice every what, 5-10 years, I'd be fine with it

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Oh and I did enjoy the Little Mermaid remake

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I did like it, it just didn't need to be made.

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But it was tons of fun

misty trout
vivid spear
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I think Batman still takes the prize for most remakes, they have 1 a year right?

idle fossil
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For example, a remake that should be made? The Black Cauldron.

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THAT should be remade.

misty trout
mighty arrow
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The worst remake is the aladdin remake because they took out the giant snake

idle fossil
ashen spire
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YO aladdin was fire.

vivid spear
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Batman must feel so tired, just leave him alone! lol.

idle fossil
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Lion King was the worst.

misty trout
idle fossil
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Mufasa's death was bastardized.

ashen spire
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Im a big will smith guy. >.>

misty trout
vivid spear
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Lion King confuses me, they say live action and then just give me cgi.

misty trout
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there was nothing bad about lion king

potent adder
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Yall are gonna get told this isnt acolyte again

proud juniper
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I haven’t liked any of the Disney remakes so far that I can think of

strong remnantBOT
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@proud juniper has become a Hero of the Galactic Republic for reaching rank 10.

idle fossil
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And the song is called "Can You Feel the Love Tonight." Not "Can You Feel the Love In the Middle of this Sunlit Afternoon."

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And this is true.

vivid spear
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lol what a way to rank up.

idle fossil
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We did derail.

misty trout
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Lion king was prolly the only good one

idle fossil
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Jungle Book.

mighty arrow
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Caaaaaan you feeeeeel the aaaacolyyyyyte

misty trout
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oh yeah that was nice too

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jungle book was good

idle fossil
vivid spear
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Disney exec's reading this chat and crying into their bankrolls right now, fr fr. :p

proud juniper
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Smilo Ren/Darth Bortles

misty trout
idle fossil
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Darth Baras.

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He should be The Acolyte

misty trout
proud juniper
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Bob or Bob, or..the other Bob

idle fossil
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Thin Baras? Doesn't exist.

proud juniper
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SAD!

idle fossil
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Thin Baras is Fake News.

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Only reason I used a gif of that man is because he says those two words a lot. That's it.

proud juniper
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Jason Ren

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Qimir Mendoza

idle fossil
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I want all lightsaber duels to be raised to The Acolyte's standard from here on out

vivid spear
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There hasn't been a thin Baras in a millionia, The archives hold no such records.

misty trout
idle fossil
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Because if there's anything The Acolyte EXCELLED at, is the lightsaber fights.

misty trout
vivid spear
idle fossil
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And I know you know that Cactus 😉

misty trout
idle fossil
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Yes. You know It

misty trout
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i made a joke before in this similar manner and a mod got all pissy

umbral vapor
proud juniper
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Jecki went ham before she died, mad respect

idle fossil
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Much appreciated Ari! ^_^

misty trout
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just need to know if said mod is breathing only down my neck or is actually moderating as its suppose to be

umbral vapor
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Idk why they’d punish for a fake news gif that’s the silliest thing ever

vivid spear
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I wouldn't be to upset if they mods delete the latest debate over Acolyte, I do think it speaks volumes on the state of the IP were most discussions on the show(s) do spiral into arguing, and name calling across the board, that says a lot.

misty trout
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cuz i have had a feeling said mod particularly likes me and reads all my msgs :)

umbral vapor
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Ok anyway enjoy ur convos yall

idle fossil
misty trout
umbral vapor
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No

misty trout
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hmm so yeah, said particular mod likes me a lot

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:DDDDDD

umbral vapor
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We can’t warn for jokes like that because literally how is that harmful or political

umbral vapor
rose zealot
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Ari over here tilting her head.

umbral vapor
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Iunno anymore tbh

idle fossil
misty trout
vivid spear
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They say Obama retired to Nar Shaddaa and opened a strip club after you retired his hand from the sith academy. truly inspiring story.

idle fossil
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Ooh I just tilted my head and it cracked my neck.

misty trout
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anyhow, sorry for the questions and i appreciate your time Ari

idle fossil
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That was a good one.

umbral vapor
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Okiedokie does anyone have anymore questions or

idle fossil
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Have a wonderful day Ari!

misty trout
vivid spear
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Yes.

idle fossil
umbral vapor
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(before i go can we keep this all about acolyte and not that pls)

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Okie bai

misty trout
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right so acolyte bad; fight scenes p good tbh

lets continue

idle fossil
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Real News.

proud juniper
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Acolyte uneven but not bad herp derp

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But yes good fights

idle fossil
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Derp herp werp

proud juniper
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and lightwhip, kind of stupid but also kind of neat

misty trout
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so Vernestra whipped Qimir

idle fossil
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For sure

proud juniper
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Seems that way

misty trout
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or implied cuz of nekked scene

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beeg scar on back

potent adder
vivid spear
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I still think the lightwhips funny, need one for my swtor sith dominatrix, I really do hope they don't make Vern the sith lord, because that as I explained before, would be incredibly stupid.

misty trout
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lets hope ep8 can fill in some stuff

vivid spear
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I'd rather she was just a failed Jedi or temperamental.

misty trout
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tho yeah pls like don't make her the "sith"/villain

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Qimir good enough

potent adder
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I dont think it will be because it would be a disservice to her characer since she is the already existing character.

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There is a actor who is confirmed in the show who hasnt made a appearance yet. My money is on him

misty trout
proud juniper
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I’m reading the main High Republic novels now but I haven’t gotten into more of Vern’s stuff yet. People would be mad since she’s built up as a good guy

vivid spear
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Now if Qimir is going to end up being a Knight of ren or even the founder of them, that would be fine, that would work to explain at the very least where they came from.

potent adder
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They have been playing the Kylo ren theme alot in the show

misty trout
rose zealot
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I'm expecting Vernestra to be an actual "splinter Jedi" or whatever that happens to be at the highest level of the Order. That's my only expectation.

Otherwise why have they introduced such a concept of rival chapters of Jedi that no longer belong to the Order, at a time of supreme peace and solidarity, and not follow through in it at all?

vivid spear
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So just a Knight of Ren then, that's fine, they are supposed to be hunters of jedi and Qimir is doing just that.

potent adder
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I kinda want Qimir to be a splinter jedi. Or at least used to be

idle fossil
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I want him to be one of Troye Sivan’s backup dancers on tour

misty trout
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it would be nice if some history was like Vernestra and Sol battled qimir and Vern's light whip saved Sol from Qimir leadng to scar

idle fossil
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🤣

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But on a serious note, I do hope we get answers regarding that

misty trout
misty trout
idle fossil
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Pretty much the direction it’s heading in

misty trout
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alright i'm off for the night

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bye

vivid spear
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This is gonna sound horny, but if they are commited to making this a bit more like game of thrones in it's setting and maturity, at least let me see a flashback of the lake from Osha's pov. I don't see star wars as being focused on that, but don't tease me.

potent adder
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This actor. He is confirmed to be in the acolyte. Has yet to make an appearance. Some people are saying he is going to voice the sith. Some say it’s darth tenebreus

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misty trout
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he could voice this guy ngl

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if he's got a deep voice that may actually be really good

vivid spear
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He could have already been in it though, alien's with prosthetic's to their custom could easily be him.

potent adder
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He hasnt yet though. He isnt credited yet for it

misty trout
misty trout
vivid spear
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That's true.